Mayock says Leinart to Denver at #8

[Denver724]

Mayock was on ESPN radio this morning and stated if Leinart starts to slide the Broncos or Vikings could move up to #8 and take him. The Bills want out of the #8 spot and he states this may happen. If the Titans take Young many things can happen. If nobody trades up Leinart and Cutler will fall to #10 and #11.

[Rohirrim]

I think the over-analyzation has reached saturation level. We're reaching toxic levels...
http://www.warrenkramer.com/design/7/images/5a-willrobinson.jpg
Danger! Danger! Will Robinson!

[Sodak]

If they move up, they should grab Cutler not Leinert. I'm never impressed with pocket passers. Cutler is more mobile, can throw on the run, and has good accuracy.

I dunno, I guess I still like the idea of someone with more Elway like attributes than Griese's.

[clint7]

puke

[Hotrod]

I think the over-analyzation has reached saturation level. We're reaching toxic levels...
http://www.warrenkramer.com/design/7/images/5a-willrobinson.jpg
Danger! Danger! Will Robinson!

Exactly its just smoke and mirrors at this point.

[brncs_fan]

*Whistles tune to "If I Only Had A Brain"*

[TheDave]

god please no.... For some reason i have this terrible feeling that Lienart is the new incarnation of our old #14

[Mile High Shack]

hell no

don't need rag arm, knee brace man here

[Taco John]

This reminds me of my avatar.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't think it's #8 they'll move to, I think it'll be the Lions at #9 and for Cutler. Shanahan wants a QB this year.

[BroncoInferno]

The thread title is very misleading. It sounds like Mayock was speculating, not reporting on a substantive rumor.

[TheDave]

I don't think it's #8 they'll move to, I think it'll be the Lions at #9 and for Cutler. Shanahan wants a QB this year.

I would be very happy if we made a run at cutler... of the top 3 QB's everyone talks about i think lienart is a distant 3rd. Let's hope Shanahan agrees.

[bendog]

Why target a qb this year?

[MajikMan7]

WHAT OTHERS SAY:


Phil Taylor, SI.com:
"Leinart is a reminder to all those athletes out there who are thinking that they have to get their name on a pro contract before they've finished college-or sometimes before they've even started it-that making piles of money isn't the only route to happiness...He seems to understand what very few athletes in his position do-that it's OK if he doesn't get rich tomorrow. Or maybe he realizes that he already is."


Steve Dilbeck, Los Angeles Daily News:
"Matt Leinart had an even more impressive season in 2004 than Carson Palmer had in 2002 when he won the Heisman. Leinart also had a better year than in 2003, when he finished sixth in the Heisman voting. He put up equal or better numbers, despite losing his top three receivers and despite playing behind an almost all-new offensive line...The most dramatic thing about Leinart might be his consistency...And the way he takes advantage off all the talent around him is Palmeresque."


Matthew Zemek, Collegefootballnews.com:
"Matt Leinart's best quality is his poised leadership of a team that was decimated at wide receiver all year long. Leinart is a true college leader, a quarterback more important for his intangibles than for his raw numbers...He's held his team together emotionally, and that's why USC had a perfect regular season."


Kelly Whiteside, USA Today:
"In the celebrity-driven culture of Los Angeles, it's been suggested that Matt Leianrt just might be L.A.'s new leading man. Though as unassuming as a movie-set backdrop, Leinart has Central Casting qualities. A Heisman Trophy quarterback for the two-time defending national champion Trojans, with boyish good looks and big-lug charm, Leinart's got everything going for him."


Matt Hayes, The Sporting News:
"Go ahead, pick a fantasy. Dream it up. You know what? Matt Leinart has got you beat. And the ride is just beginning. Come on, who among us wouldn't love to switch places with this guy? A hip quarterback at a private Los Angeles university with a stars-aligned, bathe-in-the-glory-of-it-all lifestyle. He looks like a Ken doll, a 6-5 statue glowing amid one of the most storied programs in the history of college football...Leinart could be the biggest college football star in decades. He already is the king of the city that's fashionably late...But he isn't who you think he is. It's touchdowns and titles and tinseltown on the surface. It's just plain Matty inside." Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com: "Matt Leinart went from unknown to unstoppable in the course of one season. He owns two national championship rings. He owns a post position in the Heisman Derby. And if he were any calmer, he would be asleep."


USC All-American tailback Reggie Bush:
"Matt's got the world in his hands." USC head coach Pete Carroll: "Early in his career, he knew what was going on, he knew the system, he impressed the coaches in that way. But he really didn't deliver the ball well. He didn't throw the ball hard. He was kind of a touch guy...He just improved steadily. His strengths became tremendous strengths for him, his smarts and his awareness and his poise...He's very comfortable with everything that we're doing. Nothing fazes him."


Former USC offensive coordinator Norm Chow:
"We were all a little surprised at how well Matt has done...We were hoping and wanting him to be good, but obviously he surpassed a lot of expectations...His first two years, he was in every quarterback meeting, but hardly set foot on the field. When he did, he was ready for it. The bullets were flying fast, but we had confidence in him because of the time he spent in the classroom. He's now beyond the coaches being able to surprise him. He knows. He understands...His smarts are what helped him have the kind of years he has had...He gives his team efficient, effective leadership...It really became his team at halftime of the 2003 Arizona State game when he came back from the injury. The most important people you have to show your worth to are your teammates. He showed his worth on that day."


USC assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian:
"He is a very smart player. He understands when there are opportunities to take his shots and he sees when those shots aren't there and he checks it down. He does a great job of not forcing the ball."


Former USC quarterback Brandon Hance:
"First and foremost, his confidence is the difference. When you're confident in yourself, in the system, in the players who surround you, everything starts clicking. Once he got that, the velocity picked up, he started throwing prettier balls, he had accuracy, leadership. It all just started clicking in the right direction."


Former USC offensive guard John Drake:
"He's a pretty calm and collected dude. He has so much understanding of what is going on. When he gets to the line of scrimmage, he has an understanding of what checks to make. To me, that is when a quarterback shows he grasps what is going on, when you leave the huddle. He gets us out of so many bad plays."


Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr:
"He has great accuracy, great size, great intelligence. He's going to be one of those guys that will have a career that we will all remember."

[Taco John]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

[Taco John]

Why target a qb this year?



Because Plummer is getting into the thick of his contract and we're going to have to cut him before too long because of it.

[TheDave]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

God i hope your wrong. I just can't go through another Greise era

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

I don't think it's Leinart specifically, but I agree they want a QB

[jebures]

Mayock was on ESPN radio this morning and stated if Leinart starts to slide the Broncos or Vikings could move up to #8 and take him. The Bills want out of the #8 spot and he states this may happen. If the Titans take Young many things can happen. If nobody trades up Leinart and Cutler will fall to #10 and #11.

**** Leinart, id be so pissed if we traded up for that pile of crap

[Taco John]

God i hope your wrong. I just can't go through another Greise era


Huh? Any comparisons between Leinart and Griese are moronic.

[Rohirrim]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

I'd love to believe this, but I can't. Matt will be gone by #5.

[Hotrod]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

Some of that certainly does make sense. Add in we were pretty tight with the old purse stings during FA.......maybe to afford a long term early 1st round QB???

That being said were actually moving down in the 1st and taking my boy Hali bank on it.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Some of that certainly does make sense. Add in we were pretty tight with the old purse stings during FA.......maybe to afford a long term early 1st round QB???

That being said were actually moving down in the 1st and taking my boy Hali bank on it.

A 1st round QB is going to be slotted in based on his draft position, just like everyone else. The only thing he'll have is a higher possible value because of the incentives clauses that will be built in. Clauses that if they are hit, everyone here would be more than happy to see the Broncos pay.

[Mile High Shack]

Huh? Any comparisons between Leinart and Griese are moronic.

why not?

they both have limited mobility

both have average arms and rely on accuracy

both won a national championship in college.........

:)

[Rohirrim]

why not?

they both have limited mobility

both have average arms and rely on accuracy

both won a national championship in college.........

:)

Cute kid. The only worthwhile thing in the whole post. ;D

[TheDave]

Huh? Any comparisons between Leinart and Griese are moronic.

True except for his arm strength, mobility, and questions surrounding his desire to play pro football... other than that they are night and day.

[Orange_Beard]

hell no

don't need rag arm, knee brace man here


Yeah we already got a rag arm.

[Old Dude]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

I also think you're crazy. But I thought you were crazy about your Foster prediction, too, and look what happened.

[Mile High Shack]

Yeah we already got a rag arm.

so we don't need to give up our future to pick another one and pay him even more money

[Mile High Shack]

I also think you're crazy. But I thought you were crazy about your Foster prediction, too, and look what happened.

I've always been told the sun shines on a dog's ass every once in awhile too

[TheDave]

so we don't need to give up our future to pick another one and pay him even more money

Yeah and this rag arm is a statue... no thanks

[Steve Sewell]

Mayock was on ESPN radio this morning and stated if Leinart starts to slide the Broncos or Vikings could move up to #8 and take him. The Bills want out of the #8 spot and he states this may happen. If the Titans take Young many things can happen. If nobody trades up Leinart and Cutler will fall to #10 and #11.

God no! Leinart is a rich man's Brian Griese. Shanahan isn't that stupid...

[Orange_Beard]

True except for his arm strength, mobility, and questions surrounding his desire to play pro football... other than that they are night and day.

Since when are there questions about "his desire to play pro football"?

I have never heard this.

[NFLBRONCO]

I'd bet we'd take Cutler if we wanted QB but, the good news is its something different then WR amen.

[Orange_Beard]

God no! Leinart is a rich man's Brian Griese. Shanahan isn't that stupid...


Didn't shanny draft and start Brian Griese?

[TheDave]

Since when are there questions about "his desire to play pro football"?

I have never heard this.

I've read it in a couple of places... could be a smokescreen set up by another team, but it could also be true.

I'll see if i can find it.

[Orange_Beard]

Yeah and this rag arm is a statue... no thanks


Have you seen him play? He moves better then Manning.

He is way more mobile the Greise. Greise looked lke he had cement in his shoes.

[Orange_Beard]

I've read it in a couple of places... could be a smokescreen set up by another team, but it could also be true.

I'll see if i can find it.

I have been reading tons of draft stuff and have never seen anything like this.

[WABronco]

Have you seen him play? He moves better then Manning.

He is way more mobile the Greise. Greise looked lke he had cement in his shoes.

He can throw on the run too.

[Steve Sewell]

WHAT OTHERS SAY:


Phil Taylor, SI.com:
"Leinart is a reminder to all those athletes out there who are thinking that they have to get their name on a pro contract before they've finished college-or sometimes before they've even started it-that making piles of money isn't the only route to happiness...He seems to understand what very few athletes in his position do-that it's OK if he doesn't get rich tomorrow. Or maybe he realizes that he already is."


Steve Dilbeck, Los Angeles Daily News:
"Matt Leinart had an even more impressive season in 2004 than Carson Palmer had in 2002 when he won the Heisman. Leinart also had a better year than in 2003, when he finished sixth in the Heisman voting. He put up equal or better numbers, despite losing his top three receivers and despite playing behind an almost all-new offensive line...The most dramatic thing about Leinart might be his consistency...And the way he takes advantage off all the talent around him is Palmeresque."


Matthew Zemek, Collegefootballnews.com:
"Matt Leinart's best quality is his poised leadership of a team that was decimated at wide receiver all year long. Leinart is a true college leader, a quarterback more important for his intangibles than for his raw numbers...He's held his team together emotionally, and that's why USC had a perfect regular season."


Kelly Whiteside, USA Today:
"In the celebrity-driven culture of Los Angeles, it's been suggested that Matt Leianrt just might be L.A.'s new leading man. Though as unassuming as a movie-set backdrop, Leinart has Central Casting qualities. A Heisman Trophy quarterback for the two-time defending national champion Trojans, with boyish good looks and big-lug charm, Leinart's got everything going for him."


Matt Hayes, The Sporting News:
"Go ahead, pick a fantasy. Dream it up. You know what? Matt Leinart has got you beat. And the ride is just beginning. Come on, who among us wouldn't love to switch places with this guy? A hip quarterback at a private Los Angeles university with a stars-aligned, bathe-in-the-glory-of-it-all lifestyle. He looks like a Ken doll, a 6-5 statue glowing amid one of the most storied programs in the history of college football...Leinart could be the biggest college football star in decades. He already is the king of the city that's fashionably late...But he isn't who you think he is. It's touchdowns and titles and tinseltown on the surface. It's just plain Matty inside." Ivan Maisel, ESPN.com: "Matt Leinart went from unknown to unstoppable in the course of one season. He owns two national championship rings. He owns a post position in the Heisman Derby. And if he were any calmer, he would be asleep."


USC All-American tailback Reggie Bush:
"Matt's got the world in his hands." USC head coach Pete Carroll: "Early in his career, he knew what was going on, he knew the system, he impressed the coaches in that way. But he really didn't deliver the ball well. He didn't throw the ball hard. He was kind of a touch guy...He just improved steadily. His strengths became tremendous strengths for him, his smarts and his awareness and his poise...He's very comfortable with everything that we're doing. Nothing fazes him."


Former USC offensive coordinator Norm Chow:
"We were all a little surprised at how well Matt has done...We were hoping and wanting him to be good, but obviously he surpassed a lot of expectations...His first two years, he was in every quarterback meeting, but hardly set foot on the field. When he did, he was ready for it. The bullets were flying fast, but we had confidence in him because of the time he spent in the classroom. He's now beyond the coaches being able to surprise him. He knows. He understands...His smarts are what helped him have the kind of years he has had...He gives his team efficient, effective leadership...It really became his team at halftime of the 2003 Arizona State game when he came back from the injury. The most important people you have to show your worth to are your teammates. He showed his worth on that day."


USC assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach Steve Sarkisian:
"He is a very smart player. He understands when there are opportunities to take his shots and he sees when those shots aren't there and he checks it down. He does a great job of not forcing the ball."


Former USC quarterback Brandon Hance:
"First and foremost, his confidence is the difference. When you're confident in yourself, in the system, in the players who surround you, everything starts clicking. Once he got that, the velocity picked up, he started throwing prettier balls, he had accuracy, leadership. It all just started clicking in the right direction."


Former USC offensive guard John Drake:
"He's a pretty calm and collected dude. He has so much understanding of what is going on. When he gets to the line of scrimmage, he has an understanding of what checks to make. To me, that is when a quarterback shows he grasps what is going on, when you leave the huddle. He gets us out of so many bad plays."


Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr:
"He has great accuracy, great size, great intelligence. He's going to be one of those guys that will have a career that we will all remember."


Very smart, average arm QB, on an all-star team with better offensive talent than some pro-teams.

Who does this sound like?

a)Brian Griese/Michigan '97
b)Matt Leinart/USC '05
c)All of the above

I choose option C.

[TheDave]

Have you seen him play? He moves better then Manning.

He is way more mobile the Greise. Greise looked lke he had cement in his shoes.

Yes i have and i completely disagree... everything about his play reminds me of #14

[Steve Sewell]

Didn't shanny draft and start Brian Griese?

Yeah- His alternative was Bubby freakin' Brister.

One thing about Shanahan is that he's not going to make the same mistake on a QB twice. He's realized that smarts and accuracy, which Griese has, aren't as important as domininant athleticism when it comes down to cruch time. Cutler and Young are much more athletic than Leinart.

We don't need a game manager, we need a game changer!

[Taco John]

Hey, I'm not going to stop people from saying stupid things and comparing Leinart to Griese. One thing I remember about Griese is that he ran our offense effectively enough to get both Rod and Ed 100 catches in a single season. He was a really good quarterback for us when we were protecting his blind side with Tony Jones. Once we decide to convert a back-up center to a starting left tackle out of necessity instead of actual merit, we screwed up his career.

But as far as the comparison goes, it's baseless in the first place. Leinart is the most accomplished college quarterback in the history of the sport. Griese was a third round talent who relied on a great defense to win the national championship. Leinart manages a pocket better than any quarterback drafted ince Peyton Manning. Griese just didn't seem to ever have the confidence to audible the proper blocking adjustment.

[wolf754life]

Wow, you people amaze me, God forbid that we get a QB that can actually read defenses and throw accurately. Leinart has alot more tom brady in him than Brian Griese. It just shows you people how much you really know about the kid, watch the Notre Dame game, remember how he single handedly willed his team to victory in south bend!

Leinart in Denver would be a great addition, with shanny on his side watch out, we could build an offense around him for years to come. He will be the best QB in this draft, mark my words!

[Taco John]

I have been reading tons of draft stuff and have never seen anything like this.


It's because he's making it up. He says he'll go out and see if he can find it. But he never will.

[TheDave]

It's because he's making it up. He says he'll go out and see if he can find it. But he never will.

imagine Taco getting his panties in a bunch over a Greise comparison... gee i never saw that coming

[Hotrod]

It's because he's making it up. He says he'll go out and see if he can find it. But he never will.

No I saw something somewhere about this also. Something about prolly not wanting a long career. Hell I dont remember where it was or even if it was a good source but I can vouch for hearing that same rumor/info.

[Taco John]

imagine Taco getting his panties in a bunch over a Greise comparison... gee i never saw that coming



Hey, I don't have a problem with that. I thought a lot of people unfairly characterized Griese too. Like I said, he managed to get Rod and Ed 100 catch seasons when he had a real left tackle watching his backside. Once we converted a back-up center and threw him out there, Griese got slaughtered.

We don't have that problem right now. Lepsis has proven to be more than capbable on the left side, and can battle with the best of them there.

Hey, it couldn't be any worse than where we are right now with Plummer. We're never going to see a receiver have a 100 catch season under Plummer.

[Orange_Beard]

Yeah- His alternative was Bubby freakin' Brister.

One thing about Shanahan is that he's not going to make the same mistake on a QB twice. He's realized that smarts and accuracy, which Griese has, aren't as important as domininant athleticism when it comes down to cruch time. Cutler and Young are much more athletic than Leinart.

We don't need a game manager, we need a game changer!


Like he could not find anyone else?
Come on, If Shanny started Griese it was because he had faith in him and thought he could play.
Would you really say Plummer has "domininant athleticism"?
I would not.

Even when Elway won the superbowls his "domininant athleticism" was gone. He had domininant athleticism, at one time, but not during the superbowl years.

[TheDave]

Hey, I don't have a problem with that. .

Yeah, that's why your imediate response was to call me a liar...

[Taco John]

Like he could not find anyone else?
Come on, If Shanny started Griese it was because he had faith in him and thought he could play.
Would you really say Plummer has "domininant athleticism"?
I would not.

Even when Elway won the superbowls his "domininant athleticism" was gone. He had domininant athleticism, at one time, but not during the superbowl years.



Yep. What Elway had was:

1. Smarts
2. Ability to manage the pocket
3. Desire to win
4. dominant accuracy

All four are Leinart traits.

[WABronco]

Hey, I don't have a problem with that. I thought a lot of people unfairly characterized Griese too. Like I said, he managed to get Rod and Ed 100 catch seasons when he had a real left tackle watching his backside. Once we converted a back-up center and threw him out there, Griese got slaughtered.

We don't have that problem right now. Lepsis has proven to be more than capbable on the left side, and can battle with the best of them there.

Hey, it couldn't be any worse than where we are right now with Plummer. We're never going to see a receiver have a 100 catch season under Plummer.

Agreed completely.

Having a passing attack with our running game would be lethal. I'd still like a 60/40 run/pass ratio, but Leinart or Cutler would make our offense that much more complete.

[Taco John]

Yeah, that's why your imediate response was to call me a liar...

Feel free to come up with the article.

[TheDave]

Feel free to come up with the article.

Feel free to apologize...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1074959&postcount=5

POSTED 8:43 a.m. EDT, April 20, 2006
LEINART PLANNING AN EARLY EXIT FROM FOOTBALL?
One of the big concerns that NFL types have had regarding USC quarterback Matt Leinart is that he possibly doesn't have a sufficient interest in playing pro football. The first red flag for some came a year ago, when Leinart opted not to enter the draft, even though he had just won the Heisman and the National Championship.
"Does he really love football?" is a question that was whispered among league and media types at the time.
The questions returned earlier this year, when Leinart signed with Creative Artists Agency, a well-established Hollywood talent firm.
So does he want to be a star football player, or a football-playing star?
We're now hearing from our own Hollywood connections (and, amazingly, we actually have Hollywood connections) that there's an expectation within CAA that Leinart might not play in the NFL for very long. One of the factors, we're told, will be Leinart's ultimate NFL destination. He wants to play for the New York Jets. If he plays in a smaller city (as in every other one), he might not be inclined to stick with pro football for the long haul.
Meanwhile, we hear that CAA hopes to parlay the addition of Leinart and former IMG agent Tom Condon into a massive football practice.
From CAA's perspective, the firm stands to earn a lot more money from Matt the star than Matt the football player, since agent fees for football contracts are capped at three percent.

http://football.about.com/gi/dynamic...umormil l.htm

[Hotrod]

"We're now hearing from our own Hollywood connections (and, amazingly, we actually have Hollywood connections) that there's an expectation within CAA that Leinart might not play in the NFL for very long. One of the factors, we're told, will be Leinart's ultimate NFL destination. He wants to play for the New York Jets. If he plays in a smaller city (as in every other one), he might not be inclined to stick with pro football for the long haul."

LOL Yep the heart of a winner Ha!

[Requiem]

There seems to be a common misconception on this board that Leinart is just a pocket passer, the guy is pretty mobile and can make throws on the run. Anyone who thinks Cutler is better than a guy who lead a team to two National Championships is a moron. I guarentee most of the people blowing on Cutler now didn't even know who he was until about a month or two ago. He's a decent prospect, but was considered a second to third rounder, and all of a sudden, he's legit top ten? I don't buy it. It's a lot like the JP Losman situation was. It stinks.

If Leinart was somehow there at 8. (How could the Raiders not take him?) I'd trade up. Jesus Christ, yeah.

[TheDave]

There seems to be a common misconception on this board that Leinart is just a pocket passer, the guy is pretty mobile and can make throws on the run. Anyone who thinks Cutler is better than a guy who lead a team to two National Championships is a moron. I guarentee most of the people blowing on Cutler now didn't even know who he was until about a month or two ago. He's a decent prospect, but was considered a second to third rounder, and all of a sudden, he's legit top ten? I don't buy it. It's a lot like the JP Losman situation was. It stinks.

If Leinart was somehow there at 8. (How could the Raiders not take him?) I'd trade up. Jesus Christ, yeah.

Wonder how Cutler would of looked with USC talent surrounding him

[Lidderer]

3. Desire to win


Vince Young, helmsman for the National Champion Texas Longhorns, when asked about his victory over the Leinhart-led Trojans: "What's odd is that I didn't even want to win."

Leinhart's response: "I wanted to win so bad, like infinity-plus-one....it's a trait of mine."

[WABronco]

Wonder how Cutler would of looked with USC talent surrounding him

You have to have talent around you to succeed in the NFL too, no?

[Rascal]

This sort of crap discussion is why I have some people on ignore.

[Requiem]

Wonder how Cutler would of looked with USC talent surrounding him

Not as good as Leinart.

[TheDave]

This sort of crap discussion is why I have some people on ignore.

when did you put me on ignore ???

[Requiem]

This sort of crap discussion is why I have some people on ignore.

Please say it ain't so. :~ohyah!:

[Orange_Beard]

Feel free to apologize...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1074959&postcount=5


This is one of the funniest thigs I have ever read.

Here are the things that made me chuckle:
1."possibly doesn't"
2.The first red flag for some came a year ago, when Leinart opted not to enter the draft, even though he had just won the Heisman and the National Championship.- Jesus Christ, the guy is a loyal teamate/ Stays in school and and it is a bad thing?
3."might not be inclined"
4.http://football.about.com

Come on, this is a ridiculous story from a ridiculous source.

[Hotrod]

Ok so the new plan is to blow up our draft to move up high enough to take Leinart, let him sit behind Jake for a couple of years, spend his 3rd year playing rookie football then he leaves to become a movie star. Well atleast he would be our star Ha!

[azbroncfan]

Mayock sucks Cutler off like waffle does to Big BEn.

[TheDave]

This is one of the funniest thigs I have ever read.

Here are the things that made me chuckle:
1."possibly doesn't"
2.The first red flag for some came a year ago, when Leinart opted not to enter the draft, even though he had just won the Heisman and the National Championship.- Jesus Christ, the guy is a loyal teamate/ Stays in school and and it is a bad thing?
3."might not be inclined"
4.http://football.about.com

Come on, this is a ridiculous story from a ridiculous source.

and i never said anything about the source, simply that i had read this sentiment a few times and said their might be some validity to it... believe it or not that's up to you

[Orange_Beard]

Wonder how Cutler would of looked with USC talent surrounding him


Ugly, have you even seen the guy?

You can compare these guys till the end of the world, Leinart will always look better.

[Orange_Beard]

and i never said anything about the source, simply that i had read this sentiment a few times and said their might be some validity to it... believe it or not that's up to you

This looks like one of those "teasers" in People mag.

[Rascal]

Please say it ain't so. :~ohyah!:

It's not you.

[TheDave]

Ugly, have you even seen the guy?

You can compare these guys till the end of the world, Leinart will always look better.

If the talk is that lienart is slipping past cutler in the draft then i'ld guess a couple NFL execs don't agree with you.

[WABronco]

Ok so the new plan is to blow up our draft to move up high enough to take Leinart, let him sit behind Jake for a couple of years, spend his 3rd year playing rookie football then he leaves to become a movie star. Well atleast he would be our star Ha!

No, Jake would be gone in a few seasons in our little scenario...maybe two years from now to the date. Leinart would be such a huge upgrade...it's not even funny.

[WABronco]

If the talk is that lienart is slipping past cutler in the draft then i'ld guess a couple NFL execs don't agree with you.

Who's saying that, Micheal Freakin' Smith, the wannabe Mortenson? Lets wait 'til draft day to draw conclusions.

[SoCalBronco]

We'll see what happens.

[Play2win]

Very smart, average arm QB, on an all-star team with better offensive talent than some pro-teams.

Who does this sound like?

a)Brian Griese/Michigan '97
b)Matt Leinart/USC '05
c)All of the above

I choose option C.

His draft analysis is very, very similar to TOM BRADY.

Thats who LEINART reminds me of, and I am sure once he's been in the league for 2 or 3 Years, that who he'll remind most everybody else of too...

[TheDave]

Who's saying that, Micheal Freakin' Smith, the wannabe Mortenson? Lets wait 'til draft day to draw conclusions.

who's drawing conclusions, i'm working off the same freakin rumor mongers as everyone else is...

This entire board is nothing but rumors... believe what you want

[Rascal]

Matt Lienart=Ryan Leaf.

People proclaiming him to be godsent when he has yet to play one single NFL down.

[Requiem]

Leinart would have been #1 if he went out last year. People have nitpicked him to holy Hell and that's probably the only reason he could "slip" - but I still think he's going to go in the top four.

[Orange_Beard]

This sort of crap discussion is why I have some people on ignore.


Man it is Friday, day before the Draft. My boss is off today.
"This sort of crap discussion" is exactly what I hope to be having all day.

[SoCalBronco]

Please take him, Al.

[WABronco]

who's drawing conclusions, i'm working off the same freakin rumor mongers as everyone else is...

This entire board is nothing but rumors... believe what you want

I know...

[TheDave]

Matt Lienart=Ryan Leaf.

People proclaiming him to be godsent when he has yet to play one single NFL down.

Ryan leaf... sorry man but i'm going to have to put you on ignore for that ;)

[TheDave]

Hey, wheres my apology from TJ ???

[Orange_Beard]

If the talk is that lienart is slipping past cutler in the draft then i'ld guess a couple NFL execs don't agree with you.


It was a joke about looks.
Culter looks like a younger version of your avi.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/jaycutler.html

[Taco John]

Feel free to apologize...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1074959&postcount=5

POSTED 8:43 a.m. EDT, April 20, 2006
LEINART PLANNING AN EARLY EXIT FROM FOOTBALL?
One of the big concerns that NFL types have had regarding USC quarterback Matt Leinart is that he possibly doesn't have a sufficient interest in playing pro football. The first red flag for some came a year ago, when Leinart opted not to enter the draft, even though he had just won the Heisman and the National Championship.
"Does he really love football?" is a question that was whispered among league and media types at the time.
The questions returned earlier this year, when Leinart signed with Creative Artists Agency, a well-established Hollywood talent firm.
So does he want to be a star football player, or a football-playing star?
We're now hearing from our own Hollywood connections (and, amazingly, we actually have Hollywood connections) that there's an expectation within CAA that Leinart might not play in the NFL for very long. One of the factors, we're told, will be Leinart's ultimate NFL destination. He wants to play for the New York Jets. If he plays in a smaller city (as in every other one), he might not be inclined to stick with pro football for the long haul.
Meanwhile, we hear that CAA hopes to parlay the addition of Leinart and former IMG agent Tom Condon into a massive football practice.
From CAA's perspective, the firm stands to earn a lot more money from Matt the star than Matt the football player, since agent fees for football contracts are capped at three percent.

http://football.about.com/gi/dynamic...umormil l.htm


I owe you an apology, and I hope you accept it.

I'm sorry for assuming that it was you who made up that bull****...

[12th man]

Hey, I don't have a problem with that. I thought a lot of people unfairly characterized Griese too. Like I said, he managed to get Rod and Ed 100 catch seasons when he had a real left tackle watching his backside. Once we converted a back-up center and threw him out there, Griese got slaughtered.

We don't have that problem right now. Lepsis has proven to be more than capbable on the left side, and can battle with the best of them there.

Hey, it couldn't be any worse than where we are right now with Plummer. We're never going to see a receiver have a 100 catch season under Plummer.
Stats arn't everything. Who the hell cares if we don't have a 100 catch reciever. We do well with what plummer and what we are doing. as a recall, when we had to 100 catch wr's with greise we did not go to playoffs. plummer did get us to the playoffs without one 100 catch wr.

[Rascal]

You say something Dave?

[TheDave]

It was a joke about looks.
Culter looks like a younger version of your avi.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/jaycutler.html

The guy does look like an idiot... imagine him and jake hanging out, we could have the all ugly QB tandem

[Play2win]

Feel free to apologize...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1074959&postcount=5

POSTED 8:43 a.m. EDT, April 20, 2006
LEINART PLANNING AN EARLY EXIT FROM FOOTBALL?
One of the big concerns that NFL types have had regarding USC quarterback Matt Leinart is that he possibly doesn't have a sufficient interest in playing pro football. The first red flag for some came a year ago, when Leinart opted not to enter the draft, even though he had just won the Heisman and the National Championship.
"Does he really love football?" is a question that was whispered among league and media types at the time.
The questions returned earlier this year, when Leinart signed with Creative Artists Agency, a well-established Hollywood talent firm.
So does he want to be a star football player, or a football-playing star?
We're now hearing from our own Hollywood connections (and, amazingly, we actually have Hollywood connections) that there's an expectation within CAA that Leinart might not play in the NFL for very long. One of the factors, we're told, will be Leinart's ultimate NFL destination. He wants to play for the New York Jets. If he plays in a smaller city (as in every other one), he might not be inclined to stick with pro football for the long haul.
Meanwhile, we hear that CAA hopes to parlay the addition of Leinart and former IMG agent Tom Condon into a massive football practice.
From CAA's perspective, the firm stands to earn a lot more money from Matt the star than Matt the football player, since agent fees for football contracts are capped at three percent.

http://football.about.com/gi/dynamic...umormil l.htm


ABOUT.COM...

Jesus, the 12 year old in the playground has got more reliable information...

about.com is just a cluster-fuwk of hodge-podge information of about anything under the sun. All of it is suspect, no matter what the topic...

And half of it is probably written by that 12 year old in the playground...


That was WEAK...

[TheDave]

I owe you an apology, and I hope you accept it.

I'm sorry for assuming that it was you who made up that bull****...

It's all good... but i still hate Greise :)

[Orange_Beard]

I owe you an apology, and I hope you accept it.

I'm sorry for assuming that it was you who made up that bull****...

You know what happens when you assume.

[Orange_Beard]

The guy does look like an idiot... imagine him and jake hanging out, we could have the all ugly QB tandem

They would still both have hot cheerleader girl friends.

[TheDave]

ABOUT.COM...

Jesus, the 12 year old in the playground has got more reliable information...

about.com is just a cluster-fuwk of hodge-podge information of about anything under the sun. All of it is suspect, no matter what the topic...

And half of it is probably written by that 12 year old in the playground...


That was WEAK...

yeah, cause all your sources this time of year are just stellar... are we really having an argument over who has better sources regarding draft gossip. Give me a ****ing break.

Every thread on this board has been nothing but a collection of "I heard this" BS... Guess i should of just told everyone that i had a "Source" inside the organization that told me this.

[Taco John]

It's all good... but i still hate Greise :)


I don't blame you. The misconception is that I'm a big Griese fan. I'm not. I'm a big Broncos fan. Every opinion that I have always bends back to what I believe is the best course of action for the Broncos. At the time, because of the dead cap figures involved, I believed that it would have been best to use our resources to upgrade our offensive line instead of chase after another quarterback. In hindsight, I was wrong. While I believe Plummer to be a caretaker quarterback, I think he is just the shot in the arm the team needed at the time.... and I think we're just about ready for another shot in the arm

[Rascal]

An inside source has told me that Dave likes gerbils.

[Hotrod]

I don't blame you. The misconception is that I'm a big Griese fan. I'm not. I'm a big Broncos fan. Every opinion that I have always bends back to what I believe is the best course of action for the Broncos. At the time, because of the dead cap figures involved, I believed that it would have been best to use our resources to upgrade our offensive line instead of chase after another quarterback. In hindsight, I was wrong. While I believe Plummer to be a caretaker quarterback, I think he is just the shot in the arm the team needed at the time.... and I think we're just about ready for another shot in the arm

In all fairness I have to ask. In your opinon how exactly does drafting a rookie QB who is going to ride the pine for a minimum of 1-2 years give us a "shot in the arm"???

You want a shot in the arm we move up and take Sharpe jr.

[TheDave]

An inside source has told me that Dave likes gerbils.


Damn dude, now everyone's going to believe that because you said you have a "Source"

there goes my rep...again

[ro_50]

Speculation, rumors, banter from the wannabe informed writers........

Will all make us fools..............

I'm not listening to anymore talk or rumors, I will wait for the draft........

[12th man]

I don't blame you. The misconception is that I'm a big Griese fan. I'm not. I'm a big Broncos fan. Every opinion that I have always bends back to what I believe is the best course of action for the Broncos. At the time, because of the dead cap figures involved, I believed that it would have been best to use our resources to upgrade our offensive line instead of chase after another quarterback. In hindsight, I was wrong. While I believe Plummer to be a caretaker quarterback, I think he is just the shot in the arm the team needed at the time.... and I think we're just about ready for another shot in the arm
Im not opposed to getting a qb for the future to be ready when Plummer leaves. But why would we use a first round pick on a qb for the future when we are so close to getting to a SB with the one we have. we can use our first round pick to fill in holes we really need. DE/pass rush, or RB, or WR.

[Play2win]

yeah, cause all your sources this time of year are just stellar... are we really having an argument over who has better sources regarding draft gossip. Give me a ****ing break.

Every thread on this board has been nothing but a collection of "I heard this" BS... Guess i should of just told everyone that i had a "Source" inside the organization that told me this.

Lord know I would Never, NEVER cite the National Enquirer of the internet as a "Source"...

ABOUT.COM... Because enquiring minds want to know...


Hilarious! :rofl: ...Actually its really funny sh!t that somebody would actually quote them...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

ABOUT.COM...

Jesus, the 12 year old in the playground has got more reliable information...

about.com is just a cluster-fuwk of hodge-podge information of about anything under the sun. All of it is suspect, no matter what the topic...

And half of it is probably written by that 12 year old in the playground...


That was WEAK...

Would you have preferred Wikipedia instead?

[Play2win]

An inside source has told me that Dave likes gerbils.

Did you get it from ABOUT.COM... LOL Hilarious! :rofl:

[Atlas]

Denver will never be in a better position to draft a franchise QB than now. If Shanny feels like he needs to trade up and grab one of these guys I'm fine with it. Shanny does know more about football than all of us combined.

Personally I think Denver should just use their second 2nd round pick on Brodie Croyle. He has a much better arm then all the prospects except Cutler and they are close, Croyle is ready for the Pro game and can learn what not to do behind Plummer for a year or two.

[Play2win]

Would you have preferred Wikipedia instead?
Wikipedia is fine as a 3rd source in a research project, if cross-references match...

[Taco John]

Denver will never be in a better position to draft a franchise QB than now. If Shanny feels like he needs to trade up and grab one of these guys I'm fine with it. Shanny does know more about football than all of us combined.

Personally I think Denver should just use their second 2nd round pick on Brodie Croyle. He has a much better arm then all the prospects except Cutler and they are close, Croyle is ready for the Pro game and can learn what not to do behind Plummer for a year or two.



I like Croyle, but I'm afraid of his fragility. It does us no good to draft the next Pennington.

[Atlas]

Have you seen him play? He moves better then Manning.

He is way more mobile the Greise. Greise looked lke he had cement in his shoes.

Leinart is alot more mobile than people give him credit for. I think he went out in 2005 and purposly scrambled and moved around in the pocket more to demonstrate this. I don't think mobility will be a problem his arm strength might be a problem but he is mobile enough to run Denver's bootlegs.

[Rascal]

Red flags on Matt Leinart and Vince Young
Posted by Doug on Friday, April 28, 2006
The difference between the draft chatter you get here and the draft chatter you get everywhere else is that I admit I have no idea what I’m talking about. Still, it’s Draft Eve and I can’t resist sharing my impression on two of the most talked-about prospects in the draft.

I am not one of these never-ever-use-a-high-pick-on-a-quarterback guys, but I would not use a high pick on either of these two. Vince Young, in my opinion, has several small red flags, and Matt Leinart has one very big one.

First let me say that I don’t have anything against either of these two. Quite the contrary; I have much appreciation for anyone that lays a beatdown on the Sooners and these two guys have certainly done that in the last two years. Aside from that, I am indifferent about Leinart. But Young I like. He’s a lot of fun to watch and I hope he has a long and successful career so that I can watch a lot more of him.

Young’s red flags are the ones everyone talks about: the funny release, the lack of experience in a pro-style offense, and the Wonderlic rumors. Each of these, considered individually, is not a big deal. If his only red flag was one of these, I’d take him at #1 without hesitation. But the three of them add up to a bit of concern in my mind. Were I an NFL GM, I’d certainly be a bit scared of the possibility that he’d kick my tail for the next 15 seasons with the team that picked after me, but I wouldn’t take him.

Leinart, on the other hand, has no small red flags. He looks like the perfect prospect. He throws a pretty ball and does so with a scout-approved motion. He has a strong arm. He has big game experience and experience working with an NFL offensive coordinator. He even showed some impressive raw athletic ability at USC’s pro day.

But I can’t get past the fact that he came back for his senior season.

Please understand, I’m not saying his choice was the wrong choice for Matt Leinart the human being. I think it was a cool thing to do. If he were my son, I’d have been proud of his decision to return to USC and play another season just for fun. But if I’m considering paying him 20 million dollars to quarterback my NFL franchise, that’s not an attitude I want to see. He very likely would have been the #1 pick in last year’s draft. But unlike, say, Peyton Manning, he had the national championship. He had the Heisman. He had nothing to gain but fun. Gaining fun is what most 21-year-old people try to do; I understand that and I generally approve of it. But I don’t think it’s what Tom Brady would have done in the same situation. I don’t think it’s what Joe Montana would have done in the same situation. I don’t think it’s what Peyton Manning would have done in the same situation (yeah, you heard me, I said the same situation. I’d argue that Manning’s situation was almost the exact opposite of Leinart’s.).

I’ll leave you with this question:

Suppose you’re the Titans or the Jets or whoever, some team that’s looking for a quarterback. While you’re on the clock, God himself calls your war room phone and tells you that Leinart will have a career almost identical to Drew Bledsoe’s. He unfortunately remains tight-lipped about everyone else. Do you take Leinart or not?

When you look at Bledsoe’s career, there is a lot to like: he is currently the 7th-most prolific passer of all time by yards and 13th by touchdowns. He has won two AFC championship games (though both have asterisks). He has been to four Pro Bowls and has generally been a very solid quarterback for 13 years. But something is missing. He never has seemed — to me anyway — like a player you’d trade a top five draft pick for.

I unfortunately have not received any calls with inside knowledge about Matt Leinart’s future. But the lack of fire/intensity/urgency/whatever revealed in Leinart’s decision to return to “school” is evident in Bledsoe’s personality as well. My gut tells me that Drew Bledsoe is Matt Leinart’s upside.

[Atlas]

Hey, I'm not going to stop people from saying stupid things and comparing Leinart to Griese. One thing I remember about Griese is that he ran our offense effectively enough to get both Rod and Ed 100 catches in a single season.
Uhh I think Gus Frerotte had alot to do with that as well.

[Play2win]

Denver will never be in a better position to draft a franchise QB than now. If Shanny feels like he needs to trade up and grab one of these guys I'm fine with it. Shanny does know more about football than all of us combined.

Personally I think Denver should just use their second 2nd round pick on Brodie Croyle. He has a much better arm then all the prospects except Cutler and they are close, Croyle is ready for the Pro game and can learn what not to do behind Plummer for a year or two.

I wouldn't be adversed to that at all. I do have a few questions about his durability...

That way we could get DW2 and Croyle... That would Rock...

I still would rather have LEINART...

[DBroncos4life]

I sure hope so.

[Popps]

Because Plummer is getting into the thick of his contract and we're going to have to cut him before too long because of it.


Huh?

You mean, Jake is refusing to extend or re-structure?

I doubt it.

Shanahan knows he's getting a ton of production out of Plummer and Jake knows he's best off in Denver under Shanahan. Not likely that either of these guys crap on that situation.

Do we draft a QB of the future/back-up? Maybe... highly unlikely it'll be a guy like Linehart who we have to pay a ton of money when we're already getting great production at QB.

[Atlas]

Matt Lienart=Ryan Leaf.

People proclaiming him to be godsent when he has yet to play one single NFL down.

That is a redicules comparison. Leaf was an imature Moron with all the physical tools but a 2 cent brain. Leinart is an intelligent ,classy guy that has tools people can't see from a combine report.

Now if you want to say Matt Leinart=Tim Couch I believe you would have a better arguement.

[12th man]

That is a redicules comparison. Leaf was an imature Moron with all the physical tools but a 2 cent brain. Leinart is an intelligent ,classy guy that has tools people can't see from a combine report.

Now if you want to say Matt Leinart=Tim Couch I believe you would have a better arguement.
I agree. there will only be one Ryanl Leaf. No one can compare to him.

[Taco John]

Huh?

You mean, Jake is refusing to extend or re-structure?

I doubt it.

Shanahan knows he's getting a ton of production out of Plummer and Jake knows he's best off in Denver under Shanahan. Not likely that either of these guys crap on that situation.

Do we draft a QB of the future/back-up? Maybe... highly unlikely it'll be a guy like Linehart who we have to pay a ton of money when we're already getting great production at QB.


The only restructure would be to extend it... There's no way I believe Jake allows Denver to take any money off the table... but who knows? I'd be suprised if the Broncos extend Plummer's contract.

[Atlas]

I don't blame you. The misconception is that I'm a big Griese fan. I'm not. I'm a big Broncos fan. Every opinion that I have always bends back to what I believe is the best course of action for the Broncos. At the time, because of the dead cap figures involved, I believed that it would have been best to use our resources to upgrade our offensive line instead of chase after another quarterback. In hindsight, I was wrong. While I believe Plummer to be a caretaker quarterback, I think he is just the shot in the arm the team needed at the time.... and I think we're just about ready for another shot in the arm

I think Griese can be a good QB in this league and he had proven that in Tampa(when Healthy) but I disagree with you on Denver not cutting him. He had lost his team. His teammates not only didn't like him but they didn't believe in him, which is worse. Greise needed to go and get a fresh start and I believe he has proven that he can play.

[Atlas]

I agree. there will only be one Ryanl Leaf. No one can compare to him.

Well people can say Ryan Leaf = Jeff George

Even though George did stay out of trouble long enough to have a career.

[Atlas]

I like Croyle, but I'm afraid of his fragility. It does us no good to draft the next Pennington.

I try to look at injuries and say is the guy hurt or is he injured. If the guy is injured and can't play that is fine and really is just a matter of circumstance. If a guy is hurt and can't play than that means maybe he doesn't have what it takes. Croyle is tough and he was injured. I don't hold that against him.

Your comparison to Pennington is noted but remember coming out of college Pennington really didn't have any injury history so it is kind of a crap shoot on what you get. Pennington had a suspect arm in college then hurts his arm in the NFL and he is screwed. Croyle has a very strong arm in a college in fact in a contest against Young and Kellens he outthrew them both, throwing the ball 67 yards.

Did Croyle get injured in college yes. Is he fragile??? Well, I don't think so. I think his injuries shouldn't be held against him.

[DBroncos4life]

That is a redicules comparison. Leaf was an imature Moron with all the physical tools but a 2 cent brain. Leinart is an intelligent ,classy guy that has tools people can't see from a combine report.

Now if you want to say Matt Leinart=Tim Couch I believe you would have a better arguement.
Chad Pennington only better

[Atlas]

Chad Pennington only better

If you like Leinart than I think that is a good comparison. I think Leinart's arm is stronger than Pennington's when he came from Marshall and it's much stronger now since Pennington's shoulder injuries have turned him into a noodle arm.

[Rascal]

That is a redicules comparison. Leaf was an imature Moron with all the physical tools but a 2 cent brain. Leinart is an intelligent ,classy guy that has tools people can't see from a combine report.

Now if you want to say Matt Leinart=Tim Couch I believe you would have a better arguement.

I stand corrected.

[elsid13]

I like Croyle, but I'm afraid of his fragility. It does us no good to draft the next Pennington.


Interesting but I see Leinart as a being bigger version of Pennington, not great arms, slightly mobile, good touch and football smart. Croyle is a back up in the league and not a NFL starter. If we do QB in latter round I would Whitehurst, who really a better QB then most people think.

[DBroncos4life]

If you like Leinart than I think that is a good comparison. I think Leinart's arm is stronger than Pennington's when he came from Marshall and it's much stronger now since Pennington's shoulder injuries have turned him into a noodle arm.
Pennington would have been a very good QB had he not been hurt.

[Atlas]

Interesting but I see Leinart as a being bigger version of Pennington, not great arms, slightly mobile, good touch and football smart. Croyle is a back up in the league and not a NFL starter. If we do QB in latter round I would Whitehurst, who really a better QB then most people think.

Whitehurst might be good but he really isn't a very good passer, He isn't accurate and he is very erratic.

Can a team teach a QB how to be a more accurate passer???

I think Croyle has the tools and what he lacks can be taught.

[elsid13]

Pennington would have been a very good QB had he not been hurt.


Don't disagree, especially in classic WC offense. I don't think Leinart would be that bad, but I rather get Huff, Bunkley or Ngata in 8 spot. But since all this stuff is smoke screen who really cares.

[FLABronco]

I would love if the Broncs picked Leinart. He's a smart, big quarterback and all he did was win in college. I'm not sold on Croyle or any of the other second tier guys. I think Leinart would be a great future QB for us.

[elsid13]

Whitehurst might be good but he really isn't a very good passer, He isn't accurate and he is very erratic.

Can a team teach a QB how to be a more accurate passer???

I think Croyle has the tools and what he lacks can be taught.


I think Whitehurst is better passer then you think. He sometime throws to much off his back foot, but that is correctable. I get a lot ACC games and he was one the few QB that accurately looked he could be a starting NFL QB to me. He has all the tools Croyle has but has a bigger frame.

[TheManeMan]

I'd be soo pissed if the Broncos trade up to 8 and pass on both Huff and Bunkley...

Leinart is a great QB..lets get serious...he's not going to be around when the 8th pick is on the clock...

[DBroncos4life]

How cool would it be to have a QB that couldthrow a slant, a fade pass, and see over the pocket. Yes I like a QB that can move around and make things happen but come on now when we HAVE to move around to get a QB to see the field it is a problem.

[BroncoInferno]

I think Whitehurst is better passer then you think. He sometime throws to much off his back foot, but that is correctable. I get a lot ACC games and he was one the few QB that accurately looked he could be a starting NFL QB to me. He has all the tools Croyle has but has a bigger frame.

The guy is tough as nails and can make all the throws. As a Clemson fan who has seen every game of Whitehurst's career, I can tell you that part of his problem in terms of consistency was playing in three different offensive systems in his tenure. He also had a nagging shoulder injury as a senior that limited his effectiveness. The ideal team for him would one with an established veteran and proven coaching staff so he can sit for 2 or 3 years and learn a single system. Sounds like Denver to me.

[DrFate]

Matt Lienart=Ryan Leaf.

People proclaiming him to be godsent when he has yet to play one single NFL down.

You couldn't be more wrong. Leaf had a MUCH better arm than Leinart does.

:wiggle:

No chance we go QB in round 1. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Maybe Whitehurst or Croyle or somebody in 2 or 3.

[Play2win]

How cool would it be to have a QB that couldthrow a slant, a fade pass, and see over the pocket. Yes I like a QB that can move around and make things happen but come on now when we HAVE to move around to get a QB to see the field it is a problem.
This is MAJOR...

In today's NFL having a Tall QB is alot more important than alot of people give it credit to be...

[elsid13]

The guy is tough as nails and can make all the throws. As a Clemson fan who has seen every game of Whitehurst's career, I can tell you that part of his problem in terms of consistency was playing in three different offensive systems in his tenure. He also had a nagging shoulder injury as a senior that limited his effectiveness. The ideal team for him would one with an established veteran and proven coaching staff so he can sit for 2 or 3 years and learn a single system. Sounds like Denver to me.


I agree he one of those guys that I hope Denver picks. I was sold watching that Miami game, Clemson lost but I thought Whitehurst played extremely well against a defense that had NFL style speed.

[Play2win]

:oyvey: You couldn't be more wrong. Leaf had a MUCH better arm than Leinart does.

:wiggle:

No chance we go QB in round 1. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Maybe Whitehurst or Croyle or somebody in 2 or 3.

OK, since you said it, it must be so... Uhh ::) :oyvey:

[DrFate]

:oyvey:

OK, since you said it, it must be so... Uhh ::) :oyvey:

What a well thought out response. Thanks.

You can show up tomorrow afternoon and apologize. All these people talking about Leinart and Cutler are simply wrong.

If somehow Al Davis steals our draft card while it is in route to the commish and we DO take a QB, I'll show up tomorrow and eat the crow. I just hope everyone who has said I was wrong will be man/woman enough to do the same.

[Play2win]

You could say "Highly Unlikely" or "A snowballs chance in Hell" or "There's a better chance of them drafting a kicker"...

But to say there is no chance, and it will never happen... whatever...


on a side note... Could you tell me what my winning Numbers for LOTTO on Saturday will be...

[DrFate]

You could say "Highly Unlikely" or "A snowballs chance in Hell" or "There's a better chance of them drafting a kicker"...

But to say there is no chance, and it will never happen... whatever...

on a side note... Could you tell me what my winning Numbers for LOTTO on Saturday will be...

It's an internet message board. Everything here is opinion and heresay. I thought that was assumed. :notworthy

It is MY OPINION that there is close to zero percent chance we go QB in round 1. If Young somehow slipped to 15, sure - but Young is going to be off the board at #3. I don't think we'd reach on Cutler at #15. Shanahan has said people over-value QBs and I think he sticks with that opinion. We have some MAJOR needs on the offensive side of the ball.

As far as the weekend numbers - if I had'em, I wouldn't give'em to you. :~ohyah!:

[rbackfactory80]

Yes i have and i completely disagree... everything about his play reminds me of #14

Dude,stop insulting Griese

[2KBack]

I'm in favor of any rumor or specualtion that doesn't have us Taking Chad Jackson at 15. Not becasue I want them to happen, just becasue it's more entertaining to read.

[bendog]

It's an internet message board. Everything here is opinion and heresay. I thought that was assumed. :notworthy

It is MY OPINION that there is close to zero percent chance we go QB in round 1. If Young somehow slipped to 15, sure - but Young is going to be off the board at #3. I don't think we'd reach on Cutler at #15. Shanahan has said people over-value QBs and I think he sticks with that opinion. We have some MAJOR needs on the offensive side of the ball.

As far as the weekend numbers - if I had'em, I wouldn't give'em to you. :~ohyah!:
I agree, except if Cutler is there at 15, and I doubt he will be, Shanny might be tempted. Cutler played Eli Manning pretty tough, and they're prolly even in talent, but Cutler needs some serious coaching, and we all know how shanny likes to pull qbs out of his top hat.

But, Jake's been in the system 3 years now, and he's improved fairly steadily; he's a hard worker; good leader whom the team likes. For some reason, Den threw less last year than in any of his 3 previous seasons. It wasn't Jake, because he was making plays from the pocket that he didn't make in 04. Maybe it was Lelie, but I don't think so, because when shanny ran the guy on short routes he made some decent catches. Personally, I think shanny was trying to hide our pissant pass defense, but regardless, Jake showed up to play Pitt, but the team was flat, and in a presage of the superbowl, Pitt was luckier than michael jackson in a romanian orphanage

[Play2win]

It's an internet message board. Everything here is opinion and heresay. I thought that was assumed. :notworthy

It is MY OPINION that there is close to zero percent chance we go QB in round 1. If Young somehow slipped to 15, sure - but Young is going to be off the board at #3. I don't think we'd reach on Cutler at #15. Shanahan has said people over-value QBs and I think he sticks with that opinion. We have some MAJOR needs on the offensive side of the ball.

As far as the weekend numbers - if I had'em, I wouldn't give'em to you. :~ohyah!:

I know, I know I'm just getting into "Draft Mode"...

Its all good... ;D :thumbsup:

[DrFate]

I know, I know I'm just getting into "Draft Mode"...

Its all good... ;D :thumbsup:

As long as we get a couple of All-Pro players, I'll be hapy. ;)

[Play2win]

I agree, except if Cutler is there at 15, and I doubt he will be, Shanny might be tempted. Cutler played Eli Manning pretty tough, and they're prolly even in talent, but Cutler needs some serious coaching, and we all know how shanny likes to pull qbs out of his top hat.

But, Jake's been in the system 3 years now, and he's improved fairly steadily; he's a hard worker; good leader whom the team likes. For some reason, Den threw less last year than in any of his 3 previous seasons. It wasn't Jake, because he was making plays from the pocket that he didn't make in 04. Maybe it was Lelie, but I don't think so, because when shanny ran the guy on short routes he made some decent catches. Personally, I think shanny was trying to hide our pissant pass defense, but regardless, Jake showed up to play Pitt, but the team was flat, and in a presage of the superbowl, Pitt was luckier than michael jackson in a romanian orphanage
I just think JAKE has hit his ceiling. If we keep JAKE, need to get considerable better in other areas. Make one of our other areas an powerful strength to compensate for JAKE. Be that the Running Game or a COMPLETE Defense or just get another QB that has a higher ceiling...

[RaiderH8r]

As long as we get a couple of All-Pro players, I'll be hapy. ;)
Keeping your expectations low like this will be the key to avoiding disappointment.

[Play2win]

As long as we get a couple of All-Pro players, I'll be hapy. ;)
Yep, that all. As long as we draft some guys that'll play in Hawaii once a year (and in the Superbowl), I'll be happy...

[Play2win]

Keeping your expectations low like this will be the key to avoiding disappointment.
Hey, its like Shanahan says, "You set a standard, and you KEEP IT"

[Popps]

The only restructure would be to extend it... There's no way I believe Jake allows Denver to take any money off the table... but who knows? I'd be suprised if the Broncos extend Plummer's contract.

Jake deserves to be paid for what he's done. I can't recall, but isn't the worst cap hit from him around $5M one season? I mean, there are CBs making twice that around the league.

I could certainly be wrong, but Shanahan has a bird in the hand with Plummer. While he may try to find a successor, there's nothing out there that looks any better and any rookie would take 2-3 years to trust in our complex system. I don't see Jake going anywhere. It wouldn't surprise me if he played out the rest of his career as a Bronco.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Jake deserves to be paid for what he's done. I can't recall, but isn't the worst cap hit from him around $5M one season? I mean, there are CBs making twice that around the league.

His cap number is over $6M this season, and it'll be higher next season.

[errand]

If they move up, they should grab Cutler not Leinert. I'm never impressed with pocket passers. Cutler is more mobile, can throw on the run, and has good accuracy.

I dunno, I guess I still like the idea of someone with more Elway like attributes than Griese's.

Cutler has mechanic flaws...he drops back 10 times you'll see his feet set up about 9 different ways...the by product of playing of a poor team that was always behind. Jake developed the same problems playing in Arizona...it took Mike almost 3 years to correct his flaws.

[errand]

Personally, I believe that the Broncos have been throwing up a smoke screen and have been targeting Leinart this whole time. Wabbit thinks I'm crazy, but there's just so much anecdotal evidence that has me scratching my head... Starting with the fact that the Broncos are talking about everybody BUT Leinart.

I also find it curious that Leinart fired Lee Steinberg and hired Tom Condon.

If the Broncos don't draft the best pass rushing DE...it won't matter who is playing QB....we'll see another early exit in the playoffs.

[Traveler]

Cutler has mechanic flaws...he drops back 10 times you'll see his feet set up about 9 different ways...the by product of playing of a poor team that was always behind. Jake developed the same problems playing in Arizona...it took Mike almost 3 years to correct his flaws.

Still...if they have a shot at Cutler, they have to take it.

[errand]

Because Plummer is getting into the thick of his contract and we're going to have to cut him before too long because of it.

Yeah, because cutting QB's who win alot of games is what most successful franchises do.................

[Ballhawk]

Cutler has mechanic flaws...he drops back 10 times you'll see his feet set up about 9 different ways...the by product of playing of a poor team that was always behind. Jake developed the same problems playing in Arizona...it took Mike almost 3 years to correct his flaws.

Yes and he throws off his back foot entirly too much, however footwork is by far the easiest correction to make. His throwing motion is very good with a high release point, and to date he has never thrown one southpaw :)

[errand]

why not?

they both have limited mobility

both have average arms and rely on accuracy

both won a national championship in college.........

:)

Leinhart's arm is alot stronger than Griese's ever was...and who can argue with a 29-2 record as a starter against top notch competition.

Looking at the draft, you gotta figure the Texans won't draft him, Bush is the obvious choice..

....the Saints having signed a pro bowl QB in Drew Brees probably won't draft him either.

The Titans might because they need a replacement for McNair, and sorry...but, Volek isn't the answer.

And let's not forget the Jet's who have Pennington...but how sound is his arm after shoulder surgery for the 2nd consecutive season?

Sorry but, I think Mike is gonna draft either a TE, Safety, or DE. We definitely need the DE more than we need a freaking QB.

[errand]

Yes and he throws off his back foot entirly too much, however footwork is by far the easiest correction to make. His throwing motion is very good with a high release point, and to date he has never thrown one southpaw :)


Never said he couldn't be fixed, The point is, we ain't drafting a QB in round one...sorry.

[Ballhawk]

Never said he couldn't be fixed, The point is, we ain't drafting a QB in round one...sorry.

Didnt say we were, but it wont be because of the way he sets his feet when he drops back.

[Tha rock]

This reminds me of my avatar.



mine is better and he will be a raider

[Northman]

Mayock was on ESPN radio this morning and stated if Leinart starts to slide the Broncos or Vikings could move up to #8 and take him. The Bills want out of the #8 spot and he states this may happen. If the Titans take Young many things can happen. If nobody trades up Leinart and Cutler will fall to #10 and #11.


Leinart would be a sitting duck in Denver. He has no mobility whatsoever.

[Sodak]

This sort of crap discussion is why I have some people on ignore.

Then you should put everybody on ignore and just talk to yourself...

[watermock]

6 and 7 in 07 isn't excessive whatsoever. Leinhart has a knee brace and allready has had two surguries on his throwing arm. He doesn't move very well, and that isn't what our OL needs.

Someone mentioned Pro Bowls and Superbowls....well, Plummer almost got us there. He was an alternate and we were one game from the SB after 13-3. Yeah, he pulled a boner in the Steeler game, but so did the defense in the passing game, specifically third downs. If we are going to move up, the man to get is VD at 5 or 6, or Cutler if he's odd man out of the top 10.

A clean ACL fix is better than a bad arm, see Pennington. When some behemoth falls on Leinhart, that shoulder scares me more than Walker's knee.

[Barry Ramey]

If the Broncos want to trade up for a QB, I think Cutler is the better choice. Leinart might make a fine QB in the NFL, but let's face it, he was surrounded by a ton of talent. What can he do without so many weapons?

Meanwhile Cutler played at Vanderbilt surrounded by who? Any players on the offensive side of the ball being drafted at all, much less high in the draft? Seems he played with very little around him and still put up good numbers.

Cutler also has the better arm and mobility. He'd be my choice and he could drop to #15. If he does, would be hard for the Broncos to pass on that.

[Northman]

6 and 7 in 07 isn't excessive whatsoever. Leinhart has a knee brace and allready has had two surguries on his throwing arm. He doesn't move very well, and that isn't what our OL needs.

Someone mentioned Pro Bowls and Superbowls....well, Plummer almost got us there. He was an alternate and we were one game from the SB after 13-3. Yeah, he pulled a boner in the Steeler game, but so did the defense in the passing game, specifically third downs. If we are going to move up, the man to get is VD at 5 or 6, or Cutler if he's odd man out of the top 10.

A clean ACL fix is better than a bad arm, see Pennington. When some behemoth falls on Leinhart, that shoulder scares me more than Walker's knee.


Excellent points.

[Ballhawk]

If we take two I want Cutler and DJ Shockly. We would have our Starter and backup locked up for the next 10 years.

[Northman]

If the Broncos want to trade up for a QB, I think Cutler is the better choice. Leinart might make a fine QB in the NFL, but let's face it, he was surrounded by a ton of talent. What can he do without so many weapons?

Meanwhile Cutler played at Vanderbilt surrounded by who? Any players on the offensive side of the ball being drafted at all, much less high in the draft? Seems he played with very little around him and still put up good numbers.

Cutler also has the better arm and mobility. He'd be my choice and he could drop to #15. If he does, would be hard for the Broncos to pass on that.

There are a lot of people saying Cutler is actually the best Qb in the draft. His stock is rising quite a bit lately.

[Sodak]

Cutler has mechanic flaws...he drops back 10 times you'll see his feet set up about 9 different ways...the by product of playing of a poor team that was always behind. Jake developed the same problems playing in Arizona...it took Mike almost 3 years to correct his flaws.

Agreed, but one positive note about the kid is that he can make all the throws despite his poor footwork. That just tells me he can only get better once they get those kinks worked out...

[Orange_Beard]

Cutler has mechanic flaws...he drops back 10 times you'll see his feet set up about 9 different ways...the by product of playing of a poor team that was always behind. Jake developed the same problems playing in Arizona...it took Mike almost 3 years to correct his flaws.

From where I sit it looks like a work in progress.

[bendog]

I agree, except if Cutler is there at 15, and I doubt he will be, Shanny might be tempted. Cutler played Eli Manning pretty tough, and they're prolly even in talent, but Cutler needs some serious coaching, and we all know how shanny likes to pull qbs out of his top hat.

But, Jake's been in the system 3 years now, and he's improved fairly steadily; he's a hard worker; good leader whom the team likes. For some reason, Den threw less last year than in any of his 3 previous seasons. It wasn't Jake, because he was making plays from the pocket that he didn't make in 04. Maybe it was Lelie, but I don't think so, because when shanny ran the guy on short routes he made some decent catches. Personally, I think shanny was trying to hide our pissant pass defense, but regardless, Jake showed up to play Pitt, but the team was flat, and in a presage of the superbowl, Pitt was luckier than michael jackson in a romanian orphanage
Boy I was right on this topic, NOT. LOL