How about this trade? Asley Lelie for JP Losman

[shiva2999]

Hey guys, shiva from the Buffalorange here, long time no see.

I wonder if you guys could spare a few comments on a discussion I started on my board?

I proposed the Bills trading JP Losman to you guys for Ashley Lelie.

With the loss of Eric Moulds we need another starting receiver, especially one with some height.

And it seems to me that you guys have no decent backup qb, while Losman is Jake Plummer Jr.

Needless to say, we've generated a lot of comment about the values of both players.

Some guys say no way you'd make the trade, Losman isn't enough value for Lelie.

Other guys say we'd be crazy to trade Losman for anyone, he's a potential superstar.

So, what do you guys think.

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

[spdirty]

no

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

We could trade you Ash, but no way on Losman. Have no need for him. He is at least a step below Plummer and is a problem child.

[ludo21]

no, we need Walker or Evans from u in return, not a backup QB.

[Orange_Beard]

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

No. No. No.

IMHO, Saying "rid" of Lelie is an over statement.

Losman sucks.

[Arkansas Bronco]

no, we need Walker or Evans from u in return, not a backup QB.
Well not that back up qb.

[ludo21]

Plus, we already have BVP, we dont need a backup ;D

[Arkansas Bronco]

Plus, we already have BVP, we dont need a backup ;D
Oh yes we do we need a qb that knows how to pass but definatly not Losman.

[Atlas]

I think Losman has some skills and I think he could be a good QB BUT getting Losman this year does nothing towards getting the Broncos to the SB. If Lelie is traded he has to be traded for someone that will help Denver this year.

[shiva2999]

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

[Darkhawk24]

I want no part of Lossman. Even with Lelie this year we are in need of a WR. So trading Ash for anything short of draft picks or Walker wouldn't be in our best interest.

Keep Lossman as far away from Denver as you can.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?
No - Losman always has been and always will be a problem child. I doubt he lasts more than a couple more year in the league.

[Darkhawk24]

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?

From what I've seen of Lossman I'm not too sure! :D

Even if Lossman was a minor upgrade to BVP why would be trade a need spot for a backup QB who would probably never be groomed as the starter here anyways?

If that's the case just take the final year with Ash and part ways.

[SAGE]

I fail to see how that trade will help the Broncos THIS YEAR. (For our SuperBowl Run).
Were basically giving up our second biggest offensive weapon for someone who dosent know the system and wont see the field.

[12th man]

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?
Plummer is better the Losman. Losman is more experienced than BVP, so if we would get Losman, it would be just for back up purposes. But why would we trade Lelie for Losman? Qb here is not in need. We can trade leie for someone we need, like another receiver. there is no way we get rid of lelie for losman. that's a terrible trade for the Broncos.

[Atlas]

I fail to see how that trade will help the Broncos THIS YEAR. (For our SuperBowl Run).
Were basically giving up our second biggest offensive weapon for someone who dosent know the system and wont see the field.

Yeah but our second biggest offensive weapon doesn't want Plummer throwing to him anymore.

[ro_50]

I must be dreaming after reading that suggested trade by a Bills fan.

[Atlas]

I must be dreaming after reading that suggested trade by a Bills fan.

It sounds like a great trade from the Bills perspective.

[fontaine]

The Bills trading Losman already would be openly admitting they've made a giant f***up in drafting him and most NFL FOs ego's aren't going to allow that, unless you're Al Davis and are too out of it to care.

[maven]

This trade smells of horse****!

[ro_50]

It sounds like a great trade from the Bills perspective.

You are right, its great from their perspective but not from the Broncos.

JP Losman is like Bradlee Van Pelt, only with a stronger arm until proven otherwise.

[Old Dude]

Hey guys, shiva from the Buffalorange here, long time no see.

I wonder if you guys could spare a few comments on a discussion I started on my board?

I proposed the Bills trading JP Losman to you guys for Ashley Lelie.

With the loss of Eric Moulds we need another starting receiver, especially one with some height.

And it seems to me that you guys have no decent backup qb, while Losman is Jake Plummer Jr.

Needless to say, we've generated a lot of comment about the values of both players.

Some guys say no way you'd make the trade, Losman isn't enough value for Lelie.

Other guys say we'd be crazy to trade Losman for anyone, he's a potential superstar.

So, what do you guys think.

Would you be happy to be rid of Lelie if you got Losman in return?

That's a very interesting question.

From what I've seen of Losman, he probably would fare better in the rollout style of offense that Denver runs. He's plenty raw and needs lots of work, but at least he would fit the recipe. A couple years ago, I was complaining when we had Beuerlein because the whole offense was designed for a mobile QB, and everything had to be changed when he got the emergency call.

The problem is that Denver is hurting so badly in the WR department right now. Smith might be in his last year. If not, he's close. Devoe hasn't seen much action, Watts has been a disappointment so far. We don't know what to expect out of David Terrell. We could draft a young WR, and probably will on the first day, but they take a couple years to develop, even when you get it right, which we don't have a habit of doing.

On Buffalo's side, I'm not sure this is a great deal either (unless you view Losman as a complete washout.) Lelie is an awful lot like Lee Evans - - more of a deep guy than a possession receiver - - except that Evans probably has a lot more potential. I guess you could use Ash in the slot.

Money could be a big ssue as well. I don't think the Broncos can afford to pay two guys a starter's salary. It would put us in a situation similar to what the Chargers just had to deal with...

[Orange_Beard]

What's the difference between Losman and Plummer?

It seems to me they have the same skill set. Losman's just a younger version.

This is the NFL. Every team is one hit away from losing their starting qb.

You don't think Losman is an upgrade on Van Pelt?


He would be an upgrade over BVP.
But with the money he would cost, I would rather have someone with more upside.

Lelie is a starter here. He is not a problem.

[worm]

Lossman might have a million dollar arm...but he has a .10 head.

Why Buffalo didn't do its homework predraft and find out what everybody on the Tulane campus and in NOLA/SCAL knew is beyond me.

He has ability but is an immature shmuck.

I could see him having a similar career as Todd Marinovich w/o the drug problems. Talented but ultimately a basketcase.

To even compare him with somebody who has heart like Jake is a complete disservice.

Forget the similarity in the styles of play. The other things make JP virtually untradeable, except at a yard sale.

[shiva2999]

He would be an upgrade over BVP.
But with the money he would cost, I would rather have someone with more upside.

Lelie is a starter here. He is not a problem.

His upside is why all of Losman's Buffalo fans are enamoured with him. He was the next qb taken after R'berger, Manning and Rivers after all. He has all the tools.

Didn't the 49ers scoff at giving you a 2nd rounder?

I don't think with the sentiments involved that anyone could seriously think that Lelie will be playing for you next year and I doubt you could get a difference maker at WR in return if you traded him.

[DomCasual]

Here's a thought for you to take back to your board for discussion. Does Losman remind you more of Beavis or Butthead? Or is he perhaps a combination of the two?

[Orange_Beard]

Here's a thought for you to take back to your board for discussion. Does Losman remind you more of Beavis or Butthead? Or is he perhaps a combination of the two?


How about a poll?

[Popps]

Didn't the 49ers scoff at giving you a 2nd rounder?

This is Ashley Lelie, my friend. 800 yards and 1 TD. Maybe you've heard of him?

If you're trading us Jesus Christ for him, you'd better be throwing in Chuck Norris AND a draft pick.

[Old Dude]

His upside is why all of Losman's Buffalo fans are enamoured with him. He was the next qb taken after R'berger, Manning and Rivers after all. He has all the tools.

Didn't the 49ers scoff at giving you a 2nd rounder?

I don't think with the sentiments involved that anyone could seriously think that Lelie will be playing for you next year and I doubt you could get a difference maker at WR in return if you traded him.

Just to get you up to speed on the current rumors ...

The Broncos have supposedly been trying to swing a deal that would send Lelie to the Packers for Javon Walker. Despite Walker's injury, it would have to involve Lelie + a draft pick. The stumbling block right now is how high of a pick. Reports are that Denver offered to throw in a 6th, whereas Green Bay wants a heck of a lot higher than that.

Denver is also purportedly exploring any possible way it can get it hands on the rights to Vernon Davis. The Packers are in a good position as far as that goes, so it's possible that there might be some mega-deal that sends Lelie and a bunch of picks to Green Bay for Walker and the 5th pick.

Lelie could indeed wind up in Denver for one more year. He chose to forfeit a huge $ bonus by working out on his own instead of coming here for minicamp, but relations are not nearly as strained here as they are between Walker and the Pack. He's supposedly been given the oppty to search for a trade, but that's standard Shanahan operating procedure. Sometimes it works out (Portis/Bailey) and sometimes it doesn't (Pryce couldn't find a buyer last year.)

[Orange_Beard]

This is Ashley Lelie, my friend. 800 yards and 1 TD. Maybe you've heard of him?

If you're trading us Jesus Christ for him, you'd better be throwing in Chuck Norris AND a draft pick.


Yeah, Jesus Christ could give us the pass rush we need.

[Old Dude]

Another possibility is the Jets. If Denver is really as gung ho on Davis as reported, and if Green Bay won't deal, then we could see some kind of deal there as well. Whether Ash would figure into it is anyone's guess, but the Jets are supposedly very interested in moving down and acquiring more picks.

[Popps]

I'm kind of surprised NYJ aren't thinking about a RB. They could trade down and still do well.

[12th man]

Yeah, Jesus Christ could give us the pass rush we need.
Jesus already plays for us. At QB.

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/04/07/20051120195109990001

[dbfan4life]

Jesus already plays for us. At QB.

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/04/07/20051120195109990001

And he doesn'e even need a helmet! LOL

[Ratboy]

I think Shanahan would laugh hard at your proposal.

[DarkHorse30]

Jesus already plays for us. At QB.

http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/04/07/20051120195109990001

I think he looks more like the outlaw Josey Wales.....give him a gun and a cigar

[Hogan11]

As I'm subjected to Bills games all year long because of where I live....trust me when I say Loseman is a QB you definitely do not want any part of.

After watching this bum every Sunday last year, IMHO I think JP is destined to be a NFL trivia question and nothing more.

[Crushaholic]

I don't think Shahahan would let Buffalo fleece us like that. Experienced backups are a dime a dozen, if we truly want to find an upgrade over BVP. We don't want any part of trading a starting wide receiver for a backup QB...

[WoodMan]

He has all the tools.
Losman is missing one tool. He is a friggin flake. He was at Tulane and it showed up last year too. He is a problem child and would not be happy on Denver bench.

I don't think with the sentiments involved that anyone could seriously think that Lelie will be playing for you next year and I doubt you could get a difference maker at WR in return if you traded him.No, Ash won't be playing for Denver in 2007, but 2006 is a different question all together if we don't move him. I do beleive we can get a difference maker with Ash in a trade, just by sweetening the pot with our third or one of our fourths. You can keep Losman. That was one hell of a first round choice you made last year!ROFL! :rofl: How will you suprise us this year?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

We'll trade you a 12 pack of Nat Light for Losman.

[WoodMan]

We will give you Lelei for Losman if you throw in this years #1! Now, that would be a good deal. You don't have to waste your first round pick and we will take the "head case" off of your hands.

[Paladin]

We'll trade you a 12 pack of Nat Light for Losman.

Do we get to keep Jesus, then? If not, bad trade.

[orange crusher]

Here's a thought for you to take back to your board for discussion. Does Losman remind you more of Beavis or Butthead? Or is he perhaps a combination of the two?

He kinda reminds me of an Adam Sandler with a Beavis and/or Butthead brain.

[Orange_Beard]

His upside is why all of Losman's Buffalo fans are enamoured with him. He was the next qb taken after R'berger, Manning and Rivers after all. He has all the tools.


Yeah, so did Ryan Leaf.
To bad he is dumb as a stone

[shiva2999]

Yeah, so did Ryan Leaf.
To bad he is dumb as a stone

But Losman majored in Classical Studies at Tulane!

How can you say he's dumb?

Plus, he can play the drums. That means he can count at least...

http://www.buffalodrumoutlet.com/20050402/jp_losman-opt.jpg

[watermock]

Just to get you up to speed on the current rumors ...

The Broncos have supposedly been trying to swing a deal that would send Lelie to the Packers for Javon Walker. Despite Walker's injury, it would have to involve Lelie + a draft pick. The stumbling block right now is how high of a pick. Reports are that Denver offered to throw in a 6th, whereas Green Bay wants a heck of a lot higher than that.

Denver is also purportedly exploring any possible way it can get it hands on the rights to Vernon Davis. The Packers are in a good position as far as that goes, so it's possible that there might be some mega-deal that sends Lelie and a bunch of picks to Green Bay for Walker and the 5th pick.

Lelie could indeed wind up in Denver for one more year. He chose to forfeit a huge $ bonus by working out on his own instead of coming here for minicamp, but relations are not nearly as strained here as they are between Walker and the Pack. He's supposedly been given the oppty to search for a trade, but that's standard Shanahan operating procedure. Sometimes it works out (Portis/Bailey) and sometimes it doesn't (Pryce couldn't find a buyer last year.)

That's funny...this place is rumor central. I guess it's been confirmed we have made inquiries with several teams about VD that were pretty much rebuffed, but a WR corp of Rod, Walker and the Freak would be quite formidable. We need to keep our 37 for a DL (hopefully Kiwi), to me, the rest is fair game, including an additional conditional next year regarding Walker based on his performance. VD has just flown up the board too far, too fast. Too expensive.

I have said we need quality, not quanity, but we shouldn't pull a Ditka.

[Merlin]

I think Losman is worth a gamble. His style suits the Broncos, and Shanny would have 2-3 yrs to groom him. However, at this moment he is worth nothing more than a 4th round pick, and I doubt the Bills are willing to admit they blew it that badly, at least not yet.

[Orange_Beard]

But Losman majored in Classical Studies at Tulane!

How can you say he's dumb?

Plus, he can play the drums. That means he can count at least...

http://www.buffalodrumoutlet.com/20050402/jp_losman-opt.jpg

Is that him playing the drums?

May be you could trade him to the Dave Mathews Band.

[watermock]

Yeah, they took him as the 4th QB...so why are they desperate to trade him? Move along, we are busy hosing GB right now for a couple true impact players. Something worthwhile, not a clipboard General.

[shiva2999]

Move along, we are busy hosing GB right now for a couple true impact players.

Seems your hose has a kink in it.

[DrFate]

I think Losman has some skills and I think he could be a good QB BUT getting Losman this year does nothing towards getting the Broncos to the SB. If Lelie is traded he has to be traded for someone that will help Denver this year.

Couldn't have said it better myself. 8')

Losman has skillz, whether he'll ever 'get it' at this level I don't know.

[Drek]

Losman is a scrub. I wouldn't take his first round contract for free.

Bradlee Van Pelt is a better backup. He already knows our system, has desire and good instincts on the field, is bigger, stronger, and more mobile. Losman has a better arm, but is a slacker on and off the field who'd get killed the first time he had to roll out and avoid a sack in our offense. He's a pussy.

Its not like Jake throws lasers, we don't need a powerful armed QB to be our backup.

[brother love]

If we ever made this deal I would go postal!!