Walker given permission to seek trade!

[stoxman]

Alrighty then.....C'mon Mike pull the trigger, baby! :approve:
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Michael Smith of ESPN.com reports that Green Bay Packers' wide receiver Javon Walker has received permission to explore possible trade opportunities. He is scheduled to visit the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.

A deal is expected before the Draft on Saturday.

Other teams that have reportedly shown interest include the Philadelphia Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, and New England Patriots.

[12th man]

Alrighty then.....C'mon Mike pull the trigger, baby! :approve:
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Michael Smith of ESPN.com reports that Green Bay Packers' wide receiver Javon Walker has received permission to explore possible trade opportunities. He is scheduled to visit the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.

A deal is expected before the Draft on Saturday.

Other teams that have reportedly shown interest include the Philadelphia Eagles, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, and New England Patriots.
right on. so this deal can happen pretty quick. I like it. I hope we get him.

[fontaine]

If it's "official" now then he must have been tradeable a long time ago.

I think the real issue holding up any trade is Walker's asking price on a new contract considering he's a few months coming off an ACL.

[ro_50]

So the chips will begin to fall or should I not get my hopes up?

How much cap space do the Saints have, do they have enough after signing Brees to that big contract, in order to sign Walker?

[cousinal11]

This could be a huge signing.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Time to check out the knee and see how much $$$ he wants, and despite what the Pack say, a ton of their leverage just went out the door. GB better hope he just wants to get paid and doesn't end up wanting to play for a team because it's where he wants to be.

[broncohaven]

Git 'R Done!

[-Slap-]

Give them #68.

[meangene]

I would think the perameters of a deal are in place and now it's just a question of checking out the knee and the contract demands. I think that deal is with us and the visit to NO is just leverage. At least I hope so and I also hope that Walker does not get greedy on a deal because we will not overpay for players.

[MajikMan7]

I think the real issue holding up any trade is Walker's asking price on a new contract considering he's a few months coming off an ACL.

a few months!? more like around 8 months.

[Rohirrim]

Come on, Saints. You can do it!

[bendog]

Walker Supports Team
Wide receiver Javon Walker attended the Monday night game, making his first appearance since undergoing reconstructive knee surgery in early October.

"It feels good to be back in Lambeau," Walker said. "It was kind of exciting to watch the guys play again."

Walker, who walked without a limp, has already started to lift weights with his legs and jog lightly.

"I'm fine," Walker said. "Surgery went well."
http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2005/11/22/4/

Though I think espn reported he should be medically cleared to participate in the summer camp. But, it's a two year rehab. He should play in 06, but he prolly won't get back as far as he'll ever get back until 07.

[-Slap-]

a few months!? more like around 8 months.
So, he should be all the way back to normal in another year or so. Just in time to rehire Rosenhaus and threaten another holdout.

[MajikMan7]

So, he should be all the way back to normal in another year or so. Just in time to rehire Rosenhaus and threaten another holdout.

He'd still be more productive this year than any WR we can add in the draft.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Shanny's going to give up Lelie and a first day pick for Walker, I just know it. He's going to completely overpay for JW.

[bronco militia]

He'd still be more productive this year than any WR we can add in the draft.


sure he would, Miss Cleo.

:peace: :oyvey:

[ND Bronco Fan]

He'd still be more productive this year than any WR we can add in the draft.


Thats the exact point I wish others would understand.

[ludo21]

The issue is his contract, not him. Walker is a great WR, but anything over 2-3 mil signing bomus is rediculous for a player coming off that injury.

I hope he AND the PAckers lower their expectations, or else, just say no.

[fontaine]

He'd still be more productive this year than any WR we can add in the draft.

That's the hope but not reality.

ACL's usually require another surgery later to clean up scar tissue which will knock him out for a further 3-4 weeks. Add in the fact that he'll have to learn a whole new system/QB, and won't be running full speed in pads any time soon then his production becomes a huge question mark.

[ND Bronco Fan]

The issue is his contract, not him. Walker is a great WR, but anything over 2-3 mil signing bomus is rediculous for a player coming off that injury.

I hope he AND the PAckers lower their expectations, or else, just say no.

No reason they can not do a two tiered signing bonus with a portion of it now and the rest in a couple years so he gets all his money and coming off an injury like he has how can you expect all the money guaranteed up front?

[fontaine]

Shanny's going to give up Lelie and a first day pick for Walker, I just know it. He's going to completely overpay for JW.

Not going to happen. We won't get Vernon Davis, he's just got too much going on for SF to pass him up and given the weak WR class and Walker's ACL, there's no way we can afford to give up our second best pass catching option.

[Rohirrim]

Why can't Shanahan just do the same thing he did last year and take three in the draft: Stovall, Brandon Marshall & Hass? He's got the picks. It would be cheaper and a much smaller risk. One of them will be great. Who knows, maybe two of them.

[fontaine]

No reason they can not do a two tiered signing bonus with a portion of it now and the rest in a couple years so he gets all his money and coming off an injury like he has how can you expect all the money guaranteed up front?

In that case players usually sign a one year deal to prove they can play so that they can cash in next year with that big money deal.

[fontaine]

Why can't Shanahan just do the same thing he did last year and take three in the draft: Stovall, Brandon Marshall & Hass? He's got the picks. It would be cheaper and a much smaller risk. One of them will be great. Who knows, maybe two of them.


That's because last year had one of the best and deepest CB Classes in recent memory.

It would be incredibly wasteful to spend three picks in a weak WR class like this one.

[ND Bronco Fan]

In that case players usually sign a one year deal to prove they can play so that they can cash in next year with that big money deal.

Fair enough, point being the same. Plummers contract ring a bell?

[ludo21]

No reason they can not do a two tiered signing bonus with a portion of it now and the rest in a couple years so he gets all his money and coming off an injury like he has how can you expect all the money guaranteed up front?


If it can be done, ill take JW, but now theirs the issue of the Packers trade demands.

A first rounder, now??? UGGGHHH

Im hesitant to even give them 61. But i have a gut feeling its going to be Lelie and 37 for JW (we are OVERpaying big time!)

[fontaine]

Fair enough, point being the same. Plummers contract ring a bell?

Yup.
;D

[Jesterhole]

If we give up a pick AND Lelie, I'm going to be very pissed. I'm not convinced Walker is the answer...especially with his knee. I mean, he can't be counted on to do anything this season for us.

[Requiem]

Broncos | Team made an offer for J. Walker?
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:16:14 -0700

Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports ESPN reported the Denver Broncos offered the Green Bay Packers WR Ashley Lelie and a sixth-round draft pick in exchange for WR Javon Walker.
__________________________________________________ ____

Interesting. How about Lelie and #119? That do the trick?

[BroncoInferno]

That's the hope but not reality.

ACL's usually require another surgery later to clean up scar tissue which will knock him out for a further 3-4 weeks. Add in the fact that he'll have to learn a whole new system/QB, and won't be running full speed in pads any time soon then his production becomes a huge question mark.

Even considering all this, he's probably still good for at least 50-60 catches and 7 or 8 TDs. How productive do you think any WR available in the draft would be for us?

[fontaine]

If it can be done, ill take JW, but now theirs the issue of the Packers trade demands.

A first rounder, now??? UGGGHHH

Im hesitant to even give them 61. But i have a gut feeling its going to be Lelie and 37 for JW (we are OVERpaying big time!)

That would be overpaying, but the Pack still have Donald Driver, Bubba Franks and Robert Ferguson so I'm not sure they would value Lelie in the first place.

[Cosmo]

I dont give a damn, give the packers Lelie, the 15th & next years 1st for JW & #5. We've always done fine without a 1st round pick anyways, but VD is just too good to pass up

[ludo21]

I dont give a damn, give the packers Lelie, the 15th & next years 1st for JW & #5. We've always done fine without a 1st round pick anyways, but VD is just too good to pass up

Id do this, but like this:

Lelie, 15, 61 for

Walker, 5


edit: if LElie and a 4th get it done, im fine with that as well, ty requiem

[fontaine]

Even considering all this, he's probably still good for at least 50-60 catches and 7 or 8 TDs. How productive do you think any WR available in the draft would be for us?

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I just meant that why trade Lelie for a injury question mark who won't be fully healthy until another full season when we need a dependable wideout in the first place?

If we're going to trade Lelie, let's do it right and trade him to SF with our 15 plus another draft pick for VD because he will be more productive than Walker.

[Requiem]

If we're going to trade Lelie, let's do it right and trade him to SF with our 15 plus another draft pick for VD because he will be more productive than Walker.

That's what you assume, but that could be far from the truth.

Why not send Lelie + 4th or 5th rounder for Walker. Keep our picks and draft a guy like Marcedes Lewis, Joe Klopfenstein, Leonard Pope or Anthony Fasano in round two? If you think giving up Lelie is too much for a proven NFL commodity, I don't see how you can think that giving up a bulk of our draft and Lelie for an unproven commodity is a better idea. *nods*

Yep.

[MajikMan7]

He is scheduled to visit the New Orleans Saints.

I think the Packers will be more likely to trade with the Saints, to try to obtain Donte Stallworth who'd fit the west cost offense much better than Ashley Lelie would.

[BroncoInferno]

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I just meant that why trade Lelie for a injury question mark who won't be fully healthy until another full season when we need a dependable wideout in the first place?

If we're going to trade Lelie, let's do it right and trade him to SF with our 15 plus another draft pick for VD because he will be more productive than Walker.

Personally, I think Walker post-ACL is still more valuable to us than Lelie. At worst I think he'll catch 60 passes and 8 TDs, which is more than I envision from a healthy Lelie.

[fontaine]

That's what you assume, but that could be far from the truth.

Why not send Lelie + 4th or 5th rounder for Walker. Keep our picks and draft a guy like Marcedes Lewis, Joe Klopfenstein, Leonard Pope or Anthony Fasano in round two? If you think giving up Lelie is too much for a proven NFL commodity, I don't see how you can think that giving up a bulk of our draft and Lelie for an unproven commodity is a better idea. *nods*

Yep.

1. That's because all the other TE prospects suck compared to Vernon Davis.

2. That's because all our TEs suck compared to Vernon Davis.

3. That's because Vernon Davis runs a lot faster than ACL Walker who will still have a 2nd op to clean up scar tissue.

If we sign Vernon Davis he'll automatically slot in as the number two receiving option with speed to beat LBs over the middle and beat safeties with his size/strength outside.

[ro_50]

Broncos | Team made an offer for J. Walker?
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:16:14 -0700

Bob Grotz, of the Delaware County Times, reports ESPN reported the Denver Broncos offered the Green Bay Packers WR Ashley Lelie and a sixth-round draft pick in exchange for WR Javon Walker.
__________________________________________________ ____

Interesting. How about Lelie and #119? That do the trick?


Will that get it done?

I guess nothing is set in stone and that was a preliminary offer.

[ludo21]

Personally, I think Walker post-ACL is still more valuable to us than Lelie. At worst I think he'll catch 60 passes and 8 TDs, which is more than I envision from a healthy Lelie.


THIS season???

He isnt even all the way back. I just cant see Javon making that big of an impact this year! (if he did, its ALL gravvy)

[fontaine]

Personally, I think Walker post-ACL is still more valuable to us than Lelie. At worst I think he'll catch 60 passes and 8 TDs, which is more than I envision from a healthy Lelie.

You're probably right about that and I suspect the big question mark will come down to his contract demands rather than his ACL.

[BroncoInferno]

THIS season???

He isnt even all the way back. I just cant see Javon making that big of an impact this year! (if he did, its ALL gravvy)

Guys come back fairly quickly from ACLs these days. He suffered the injury in the first game of last season, so he should be ready for training camp. If all the way back he'd post numbers similar to '04 with GB. Adjusted for his injury, 60 catches and 8 TDs sounds about right, with his production steadily increasing as the season progresses.

[Requiem]

1. That's because all the other TE prospects suck compared to Vernon Davis.
Ah, highlight videos and a great combine made you bust the nut too? Predictable. Production > Measurables.

[Rohirrim]

That's because last year had one of the best and deepest CB Classes in recent memory.

It would be incredibly wasteful to spend three picks in a weak WR class like this one.

One second rounder and two fourth rounders. You see them as weak, I see them as great deals. And I see Walker as expensive and very risky.

[Requiem]

One second rounder and two fourth rounders. You see them as weak, I see them as great deals. And I see Walker as expensive and very risky.

As it would be wasteful to throw a good portion of our draft away for Vernon Davis.

[ludo21]

Guys come back fairly quickly from ACLs these days. He suffered the injury in the first game of last season, so he should be ready for training camp. If all the way back he'd post numbers similar to '04 with GB. Adjusted for his injury, 60 catches and 8 TDs sounds about right, with his production steadily increasing as the season progresses.


if he is back by TC, i guess i could see that production from him as well.

Let us hope, NOW, we can start talking money and more trade talks ;D

[Barry Ramey]

As others have stated, Walker is highly likely to be more productive than any WR they draft next year. Whether you like it or not, the Broncos are in the win mode now, so spending money on high draft picks and waiting for them to develop is not high on their list.

If can get Walker for Lelie for say a 3rd or 4th rounder, a steal in my book, unless Walker is damaged goods, which it doesn't sound like. But any team trading for him is goign to give him a physical to see what shape the knee is in, so ridiculous for anyone to say trading for damaged goods since teams will know either way before any trade is done.

[Traveler]

A 4th rounder and Lelie should be the fallback option if the other rumored deal with GB proves to be untrue. Anything else is overpaying. Especially since Walker is still rehabbing a very serious injury.

[Mediator12]

That's the hope but not reality.

ACL's usually require another surgery later to clean up scar tissue which will knock him out for a further 3-4 weeks. Add in the fact that he'll have to learn a whole new system/QB, and won't be running full speed in pads any time soon then his production becomes a huge question mark.

Huh?!?

I know a lot of things can happen with ACL injuries, but that all depends on the nature of the injury ie if there was meniscus damage or patellar tendon damage outside of a patellar tendon graft procedure. There is more than one way to repair an ACL tear but it is NOT common to have to repair scar tissue for any of the procedures that the athletes use. Every individual is different and it may be the case to need to clean up a particularly poor injury.

Believe me, I have had both my ACL's repaired and spent time with the two Doctor's who pioneered the Patellar Tendon Graft technique that most Athlete's use. I know about as much as any non Physician can about ACL reconstruction. When I had my first ACL repaired in 1997, I was back to playing Professional Soccer in seven months and contributed greatly playing around 95%. I was 100% in around eight to nine months. That was with ten years ago techniques. They are better and more refined now.

That being said, everyone heals differently. I am a fast healer, but so are professional athletes who have every advantage in therapy being able to dedicate their entire recovery process time to Rehab. They also have the advantage of having access to the Best Surgeons (which makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE even though some choose to go with others like Edgerrin James did several years back).

I just hope the Broncos have upgraded their medical staff to evaluate Walker.

[fontaine]

Ah, highlight videos and a great combine made you bust the nut too? Predictable. Production > Measurables.

I've only seen one highlight video on him but it's pretty much established he's the best receiving prospect in the entire draft.

I'm not saying he's guaranteed but he's not that far away from it either.

[Requiem]

I've only seen one highlight video on him but it's pretty much established he's the best receiving prospect in the entire draft.

I'm not saying he's guaranteed but he's not that far away from it either.

Actually, I'd have to disagree and I laugh at the fact that you're willing to dump some of our draft because a guy had a good combine and you saw a highlight video on him. Brian Calhoun had a kick-ass highlight video too, want to trade up for him?

[fontaine]

Huh?!?

I know a lot of things can happen with ACL injuries, but that all depends on the nature of the injury ie if there was meniscus damage or patellar tendon damage outside of a patellar tendon graft procedure. There is more than one way to repair an ACL tear but it is NOT common to have to repair scar tissue for any of the procedures that the athletes use. Every individual is different and it may be the case to need to clean up a particularly poor injury.

Believe me, I have had both my ACL's repaired and spent time with the two Doctor's who pioneered the Patellar Tendon Graft technique that most Athlete's use. I know about as much as any non Physician can about ACL reconstruction. When I had my first ACL repaired in 1997, I was back to playing Professional Soccer in seven months and contributed greatly playing around 95%. I was 100% in around eight to nine months. That was with ten years ago techniques. They are better and more refined now.

That being said, everyone heals differently. I am a fast healer, but so are professional athletes who have every advantage in therapy being able to dedicate their entire recovery process time to Rehab. They also have the advantage of having access to the Best Surgeons (which makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE even though some choose to go with others like Edgerrin James did several years back).

I just hope the Broncos have upgraded their medical staff to evaluate Walker.

If that's true then why do players routinely miss time for scopes to clean up scar tissue, bone chips etc in the first place?

[Tredici]

Funny about wideouts. Sure, Lelie is known for having the deep game. Two seasons in a row his YPC are at the top of the charts.

Javon Walker has one 1,000 yard season with an All Pro QB at the other end of the deal and an ACL.

Neither one sound like a sure shot at getting it done over the middle or on the short slants.

[fontaine]

Actually, I'd have to disagree and I laugh at the fact that you're willing to dump some of our draft because a guy had a good combine and you saw a highlight video on him. Brian Calhoun had a kick-ass highlight video too, want to trade up for him?

Then you must have been laughing quite a lot and at the Broncos FO too who wanted to trade up for VD as well and talked to multiple teams in the top part of the draft, all of which turned them down.

You must also have been laughing at all the mock drafts, prospect evaluations etc that have him as the top rated wideout by a huge margin.

[Atlas]

If all the way back he'd post numbers similar to '04 with GB. Adjusted for his injury, 60 catches and 8 TDs sounds about right, with his production steadily increasing as the season progresses.
\
In GB's offense he might get those numbers. In Denver's offense if he isn't all the way back he gets 35 catches and 2 TDs

[maven]

Just say no to Javon Walker:

Will turn 28 years old this year.
Has been in the league only 4 years, and is already turning 28 years old.
Coming off an ACL injury
Will want to be paid lots of money.
Why pay lots of money for damaged goods?
Why trade a #2 for damaged goods?
Had one good season out of four.
He's not a great WR.

Just say no!

[Atlas]

Just say no to Javon Walker:


Just say no!

Just say no to this
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=3144&dateline=1146034701

WOW that's hard on the eyes!!!!

[Mediator12]

If that's true then why do players routinely miss time for scopes to clean up scar tissue, bone chips etc in the first place?

Misperception, combining injuries into a general injury category, and overreporting of complications because that seems to be news over how well a rehab is going for an athlete. Set backs seem to be news, but recovering as expected is not even note worthy.

There are no Bone chips in ACL reconstruction, scar tissue buildups occur in poorly rehabbed, poorly executed, and poor individual recoveries. The number of people who need second surgeries to clean out scar tissue is related to the chronicity of the injury. Just having an ACL Reconstruction does not necessitate the need for a cleanup. Most guys who have the cleanups are OL with mulitple Knee injuries like Meniscus etc. and have had more than one procedure.

[fontaine]

Misperception, combining injuries into a general injury category, and overreporting of complications because that seems to be news over how well a rehab is going for an athlete. Set backs seem to be news, but recovering as expected is not even note worthy.

There are no Bone chips in ACL reconstruction, scar tissue buildups occur in poorly rehabbed, poorly executed, and poor individual recoveries. The number of people who need second surgeries to clean out scar tissue is related to the chronicity of the injury. Just having an ACL Reconstruction does not necessitate the need for a cleanup. Most guys who have the cleanups are OL with mulitple Knee injuries like Meniscus etc. and have had more than one procedure.


Thanks for the info. It makes more sense now why the Broncos would be so active in pursuing him.

[Broncoblood]

We need JW, ship AL and #61 to GB, then use the #15 pick and get RB(D.W). that automatically gives us two playmakers. I didn't say game breakers, just two more weapons that can help out Jake, I know rookie running backs don't get a lot of touches, but this year is different, we have always had capable running backs in front of them. I don't call TB or RD that capable, they are for better or worse, just role backs. DW will get a big portion of the carries and I agree with the earlier stated that JW will catch 50-60 w/5-8 TDs.

[BroncoBen]

Just say no to Javon Walker:

Will turn 28 years old this year.
Has been in the league only 4 years, and is already turning 28 years old.
Coming off an ACL injury
Will want to be paid lots of money.
Why pay lots of money for damaged goods?
Why trade a #2 for damaged goods?
Had one good season out of four.
He's not a great WR.

Just say no!

I tend to agree, Javon Walker has too many questions marks that no one can answer. Just because he 'may' pass the physical doesn’t mean his knee will hold for the entire season. I really think this is going to be a 2 year re-hab.

Think about it, Ian Gold signed basically a year contract with the Bucs to see how his knee would hold-up how was that any different?

Now if Walker agrees to a 3+ year incentive deal, maybe the Broncos can take a chance to see how the knee performs.

Bottom line is Walker is damaged goods, don’t overpay or expect him to be the ‘savior’ for the Broncos this next season.

Plus the other flag no-one seems to be talking about, if he was not happy in Green Bay and refuses to play what guarantee do we have that he won’t do the same thing in Denver in a few years.

[Popps]

a few months!? more like around 8 months.

Exactly. People need to remember that he injured the knee in the first game of the season. So, he'll be a year out from the injury by opening day.
I'd assume he's running full speed already. Anyone have anything on that?

[Mediator12]

Exactly. People need to remember that he injured the knee in the first game of the season. So, he'll be a year out from the injury by opening day.
I'd assume he's running full speed already. Anyone have anything on that?

I believe he had the surgery in Late OCT and he should be able to run in a straight line at this point with no lateral Cutting unless he is ahead of schedule.

[Popps]

I tend to agree, Javon Walker has too many questions marks that no one can answer. Just because he 'may' pass the physical doesn’t mean his knee will hold for the entire season. I really think this is going to be a 2 year re-hab.

Think about it, Ian Gold signed basically a year contract with the Bucs to see how his knee would hold-up how was that any different?

Ian Gold did not sign a one year contract. He signed a two year deal so expensive that he was cut after one season, which turned out to be a mistake for them... just like it was a mistake for them to cut Joe Jurevicius.

Gold is an excellent example of how players come back from this surgery these days.

As for him "refusing to play" in Green Bay, people need to get this story straight once and for all. HE DID NOT REFUSE TO PLAY. He has not missed a single football game in Green Bay for anything except an injury that occurred on the job. HE REPORTED TO WORK AND PLAYED, despite not getting a contract upgrade he probably deserved. He shut up, he came back and played. His QB chose him to make an example out of... he tore up his knee in the first game, and he decided that he wasn't happy there. So, in the OFF-SEASON, he made his wishes clear, just as many players have.
Is he in the right for wanting out? Maybe not. Is there some law against someone attempting to better their work environment for themselves? Absolutely not.

I'm not saying he doesn't carry some risk of potential trouble, like all players. What I'm saying is, people who put him in T.O.'s category are nuts. ... unless you're talking about his talent, where he might be the closest young player to Owen's make-up in the league.

[SAGE]

This team loves them some damaged goods......

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can the Chiefs swoop in and grab him from under your noses?

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker.

[maven]

Can the Chiefs swoop in and grab him from under your noses?

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker.

Lets hope so.

[watermock]

That's because last year had one of the best and deepest CB Classes in recent memory.

It would be incredibly wasteful to spend three picks in a weak WR class like this one.

Ironically, this years secondary class is even better. Both Lelie and Walker want out. It's a natural fit. Walkers injury isn't anything like Cullpepp. I'm sure they will do an MRI I don't know if this is common, maybe look at all his files to see how much collateral damage there was MCL, cartilage ect. Injuries like Pepps and Edwards in that sand game were described as spagetti. Lelie and our early third from SF would be great. I'm not worried about the knee unless the MRI turns out bad.

[Rohirrim]

Can the Chiefs swoop in and grab him from under your noses?

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker.

Now I know he sucks. Go get him, Carl.

[BroncoInferno]

Ah, highlight videos and a great combine made you bust the nut too? Predictable. Production > Measurables.

He caught 51 passes 17.1 YPC on a bad offensive team with a bad QB. Sounds like pretty good production to me.

[Hotrod]

Come on, Saints. You can do it!

Exactly Ive cooled on Walker abit. Unless he wants a new incentive contract screw it.

[Mile High Shack]

Now I know he sucks. Go get him, Carl.

this is SOP for Carl, he generally always tries to bump up the price on any FA we try to obtain (or person who is going to be traded)

I don't get the hangup with Javon, he is still young and can't do any worse than what Lelie did this year for us even with his ACL, remember, it was early in the year and he shouldn't have any problems like TD did with his knee, there wasn't any structural damage, just the ligament itself.

This is a no-brainer as long as we don't overpay

Javon is 10x's better than Lelie

[Darkhawk24]

I doubt KC parts with their first for him when they need a CB pretty darn bad. If they do then again the Chiefs have decided that Defense means absolutely squat. If the Broncos want him they have the ammo to grab him. Much more then KC has.

[Atlas]

Javon is 10x's better than Lelie

hardly

[BroncoInferno]

\
In GB's offense he might get those numbers. In Denver's offense if he isn't all the way back he gets 35 catches and 2 TDs

That's crazy and just plain wrong. Just because Lelie is one deminsional and could only get 42 catches running fly patterns says nothing about what a much more complete player like Walker could do, even coming off an injury.

[watermock]

Peterson is a stupid POS. I agree he loves to poke sticks at Shanahan. Again, as Mediator has pointed out, knee injuries vary greatly. As someone mentioned, GB might like Stallworth more than Lelie. Walker can't decide where he can be traded, GB does. Gold hurt his in what month? He played SAM the next year and now shows zero effect.
In fact, he has put on some bulk and played better than before the ACL

[Atlas]

That's crazy and just plain wrong. Just because Lelie is one deminsional and could only get 42 catches running fly patterns says nothing about what a much more complete player like Walker could do, even coming off an injury.

Walker isn't that much better than Lelie I promise you that. He plays in GBs offesnse where he is the only WR option they have plus Farve throws the ball about 70 times more than Jake in a season. That's a lot more passes going Walkers way.

I would give Lelie and a 5th but nothing more.

[BroncoInferno]

Walker isn't that much better than Lelie I promise you that. He plays in GBs offesnse where he is the only WR option they have plus Farve throws the ball about 70 times more than Jake in a season. That's a lot more passes going Walkers way.

I would give Lelie and a 5th but nothing more.

Walker is effective both underneath and going deep. Lelie is only effective going deep. Walker is better than Lelie by a very solid margin.

[orange crusher]

Can the Chiefs swoop in and grab him from under your noses?

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker.

You left off the last part of the statement:

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker, but conversations aren't as far along as they are with the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.

[ludo21]

You left off the last part of the statement:

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker, but conversations aren't as far along as they are with the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.


typical Cheffie fan................ROFL!

[Darkhawk24]

Chief fans seemed thrilled at the fact they are talking to GB. After the Broncos aquire him they will say he sucked anyways. (See Champ Bailey)

[ND Bronco Fan]

You left off the last part of the statement:

Chiefs | Talking trade with Green bay
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:57:22 -0700

Michael Smith, of ESPN.com, reports the Kansas City Chiefs are talking with the Green Bay Packers about a trade for Packers WR Javon Walker, but conversations aren't as far along as they are with the New Orleans Saints and Denver Broncos.



Keep it up Chiefs..........keep ignoring your defense, that'll get you a long way.

[eddie mac]

Not good for the Broncos that quite a few teams seem interested. May well jack up the price. I just hope Mike's hard-on isn't too big for Walker because it would be a huge risk giving them Ash and a 1st day pick for a guy who caught 4 passes last year.

That would just about round off one of the ****tiest offseasons in my living memory as a Bronco fan.

[Requiem]

Another trump card in here is that ESPN is reporting Donald Driver is unhappy with his situation/contract in Green Bay.

As someone mentioned earlier, Green Bay might like Stallworth better too. If New Orleans offers say Stallworth and 5 over say us offering Lelie and a 5 -- I'm pretty sure they'll trade him to New Orleans. This many teams being interested isn't good news for us.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He plays in GBs offesnse where he is the only WR option

Ever heard of Donald Driver?

[watermock]

Not good for the Broncos that quite a few teams seem interested. May well jack up the price. I just hope Mike's hard-on isn't too big for Walker because it would be a huge risk giving them Ash and a 1st day pick for a guy who caught 4 passes last year.

That would just about round off one of the ****tiest offseasons in my living memory as a Bronco fan.

Now you know that's just plain silly. He hurt the ACL in the third quarter of the first game and went on IR. It wasn't a total reconstruction for the 100th time. RECEIVING

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2002 Green Bay Packers 15 2 23 319 13.9 30 1 6 0 14
2003 Green Bay Packers 16 3 41 716 17.5 66 9 12 4 27
2004 Green Bay Packers 16 12 89 1382 15.5 79 12 19 7 63
2005 Green Bay Packers 1 1 4 27 6.8 9 0 0 0 2
TOTAL 48 18 157 2444 15.6 79 22 37 11 106

Almost 1400 yards in 04 and it looks like he might of had some knicks with only the 12 starts.

[Paladin]

I simply hope that they do not do this trade. I know many here are enthralled with him, but he is coming off the injury, he is a mini-head case, he is an expensive mini-head case and the price will just get too high. GB wil trade this guy, but to the highest bidder. I hope KC gives them the first for him. That ought to solidify Petersen's legacy.

[orange crusher]

As someone mentioned earlier, Green Bay might like Stallworth better too. If New Orleans offers say Stallworth and 5 over say us offering Lelie and a 5 -- I'm pretty sure they'll trade him to New Orleans. This many teams being interested isn't good news for us.

I think Walker's preference plays into the equation somewhat also though. Any trade is almost certainly going to be contingent on Walker agreeing to a new contract. I don't know if Norluns is the most attractive spot unless they offer a lot more cash.

[The Big E]

Even though I don't think Ashley isn't a great fit here, the thought of going into the season without him makes me nervous.

I like JW a lot, but the FO better do their due diligence well before bringing him here, especially if it means Ashley will be part of the trade. It just seems to put too much of a question mark on our #2 WR if this deal goes down.

[eddie mac]

Now you know that's just plain silly. He hurt the ACL in the third quarter of the first game and went on IR. It wasn't a total reconstruction for the 100th time. RECEIVING

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD
2002 Green Bay Packers 15 2 23 319 13.9 30 1 6 0 14
2003 Green Bay Packers 16 3 41 716 17.5 66 9 12 4 27
2004 Green Bay Packers 16 12 89 1382 15.5 79 12 19 7 63
2005 Green Bay Packers 1 1 4 27 6.8 9 0 0 0 2
TOTAL 48 18 157 2444 15.6 79 22 37 11 106

Almost 1400 yards in 04 and it looks like he might of had some knicks with only the 12 starts.

Mock injury or no injury the 4 catches are for real. Has anyone ever been traded before for a 1st rounder coming off an ACL?

[Requiem]

I think Walker's preference plays into the equation somewhat also though. Any trade is almost certainly going to be contingent on Walker agreeing to a new contract. I don't know if Norluns is the most attractive spot unless they offer a lot more cash.

Well, maybe a little - but Green Bay will ship him where they get the best deal. They're in it for their best interest, and when Javon is gone, I don't think they could give a **** about his situation, personally.

[eddie mac]

I still maintain the fact that Walker isn't a huge upgrade over Lelie. Plummer is no Brett Favre and Green Bay's running game couldn't touch Denver's. Can Javon even block downfield?

[watermock]

You think Lelie has first round trade value? I can't believe your standing to your 4 catch argument. Everyone knows he went on IR and only played 2.5 quarters.

[watermock]

I still maintain the fact that Walker isn't a huge upgrade over Lelie. Plummer is no Brett Favre and Green Bay's running game couldn't touch Denver's. Can Javon even block downfield?

He's listed 6-3 215 and is probably heavier by now. I don't think NFL.com changes their weights often or at all.

[eddie mac]

You think Lelie has first round trade value? I can't believe your standing to your 4 catch argument. Everyone knows he went on IR and only played 2.5 quarters.

No I dont think Lelie has 1st rd trade value. I also dont think Walker has either. Both are worth late 2nd's at best and I'd consider them both of equal value given Walker's injury history and his mouth.

[orange crusher]

Well, maybe a little - but Green Bay will ship him where they get the best deal. They're in it for their best interest, and when Javon is gone, I don't think they could give a **** about his situation, personally.

I agree that GB doesn't care about Javon's situation but their trading partner will have to work out a contract with JW before they'll sign off on any trade. JW does have some leverage but he'll have to play his cards right or he could risk staying in GB.

[Darkhawk24]

The Walker trade talk reminds me of the Ian Gold signing last year. The board is so split on the idea!

[Hotrod]

The Walker trade talk reminds me of the Ian Gold signing last year. The board is so split on the idea!

I really dont have an opinon on this one either way as long as the contract is friendly enough. I certainly will not pee myself if we get him and if not no loss at all.

[Play2win]

I really dont have an opinon on this one either way as long as the contract is friendly enough. I certainly will not pee myself if we get him and if not no loss at all.

This is my attitude. I do like ASH, but I just don't see how Jake is goin to make him that much better than he already is... Now, if we get Leinart its a whole different story... :wiggle:

Seriously though, I haven't seen Walker play enough to form a real solid, informed opinion about the guy.

Its more important to get the best 11 on the field we can at any given time, and I usually give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt in that matter...

Everybody has their favorites, and you just hope your favorites are also Shanahan's... ;D

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Didn't see this anywhere

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_3758964

Broncos zeroing in on Walker
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer

The Broncos have taken another step in their quest for a veteran playmaking receiver. The team is bringing disgruntled Green Bay receiver Javon Walker in for a visit Friday, an NFL source confirmed.

Denver has been monitoring Walker, who has asked to be traded from Green Bay. Walker, who visited New Orleans this morning, is likely to be traded by Saturday's draft. Green Bay is looking for a high-draft pick. Denver, looking for a receiver in the draft, has the No. 15 pick.
Walker is coming off a torn ACL and is entering the final year of his contract.

[eddie mac]

Packers | Team may accept a second-round pick for J. Walker
Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:33:00 -0700

Pete Dougherty, of PackersNews.com, reports the Green Bay Packers want a first-round draft pick in exchange for WR Javon Walker. However, a source said there's always the chance they'd settle for a second-rounder from the New Orleans Saints or Denver Broncos. New Orleans has second pick of the second round, which is pick No. 34 overall. Denver has the fifth pick of the second round, which is No. 37 overall.

That price needs to drop a bit further yet.

[broncohaven]

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I just meant that why trade Lelie for a injury question mark who won't be fully healthy until another full season when we need a dependable wideout in the first place?

If we're going to trade Lelie, let's do it right and trade him to SF with our 15 plus another draft pick for VD because he will be more productive than Walker.
Lelie is gone next year, and his production makes him expendable. Why would you want to give up Lelie and an extra pick for #6 in the draft when for a similar price you could get #5 and Javon Walker? Makes no sense to me.

[Requiem]

#37 for Walker? Blow me.

[Drek]

If we give the 37th pick for Walker, without moving 15 up to 5, this whole board will feel real burned a year down the road.

Body catchers are fine when they have strong armed, accurate QBs. Thats not Jake. We'd be better off taking Maurice Stovall at 37.

[eddie mac]

If we give the 37th pick for Walker, without moving 15 up to 5, this whole board will feel real burned a year down the road.

Body catchers are fine when they have strong armed, accurate QBs. Thats not Jake. We'd be better off taking Maurice Stovall at 37.

That's basically our 2nd 1st rd pick. No fvcking way is Javon Walker worth that. We've all been looking forward to this draft since the Pittsburgh loss so that would be a total waste IMO.

[brother love]

If we do the trade and don't move to the fifth spot who do we then take at #15?

[Hotrod]

If we do the trade and don't move to the fifth spot who do we then take at #15?

Hali ^5

[Atlas]

Hali ^5

You can get Hali in the 2nd. Lawson is better and he should be available at 15. I wouldn't be opposed to moving back to 20 and then grab the best RB available.

[Barry Ramey]

I know I will be upset if the Broncos moved up to #15 and end up with a smallish DE without top notch speed whom I don't think will be any better than the DE's the Broncos already have on this team. Nothing tells me that Hali will be better than Ekuban, who was another 1st round pick and Hali, according to various sites and reports, is dropping and probably out of the 1st round. Taking Hali at #15 would be absolutely stupid, especially since he wouldn't even play next year unless injuries to others.

Lelie will not be back after this coming season. He is already showing he doesn't want to be around. He is even sacrificing money to not be working out with the others on the team. His mind is made up I think if doing that.

The Broncos are not going to trade for Walker until questions about his knee are straightened out. If Walker's asking price is too high, then they should pass on him and try to deal Lelie someplace else for another pick, probably a 3rd-4th rounder.

If they don't trade for Walker, then seems drafting Holmes makes sense at #15. He can turn a small catch into a big one and can return kicks and be a threat there too. Nothing says the Broncos couldn't draft another WR in the mid rounds either.

Bottom line is Lelie was a nonfactor for most of last season. I don't think his production will be hard to replace.

But at least take a guy, if staying at #15, who figures to actually play next year.

[BroncoInferno]

Body catchers are fine when they have strong armed, accurate QBs. Thats not Jake. We'd be better off taking Maurice Stovall at 37.

LOL I thought Popps straightened you out on that? Not only is Walker not a body catcher, one of his best skills is going after the ball in traffic with his hands. There is no substance to what you say here.

[-Slap-]

I think Walker's preference plays into the equation somewhat also though. Any trade is almost certainly going to be contingent on Walker agreeing to a new contract. I don't know if Norluns is the most attractive spot unless they offer a lot more cash.
Well, as long as Javon is happy. That's what's really important.

[bloodsunday]

He'd still be more productive this year than any WR we can add in the draft.
He most certainly would more than any WR in the draft. Jackson is a flat out project. The guy is all about measurables -- not production. He had one good season. Holmes is more NFL ready, but he doesn't have NFL measureables. Combine that with the reality that well over 90% of rookie WR fail to make a significant impact in year 1 and its kind of obvious, IMO.

Walker won't hold out (they'll either workout a contract or the parameters) and Denver will check out his injury (physical) before doing any deal. He may not be 100% this year as it often takes a guy more than a year to get the confidence, strength and timing back. BUT, yeah he'd still be the second best WR on this team (and maybe the best) at less than 100%. Plus, let's not forget that he got the injury very early last season so he'll have a full rehab in before training camp (it'd be a bit different if he got injured down the stretch like Braylon Edwards or Carson Palmer).