Taco's dream scenario a reality?

[SoCalBronco]

Could Leinart slide all the way to 15?

POSTED 8:36 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:21 a.m. EDT, April 26, 2006

TEAM LEINART BRACING FOR SLIDE?

At a time when former USC tailback Reggie Bush is dealing with an unwelcome distraction that could disrupt his plan to be the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, his teammate who could have been the first pick in 2004 could now be facing a slide conjuring memories of the Aaron Rodgers plunge in 2005.

A source close to the Leinart camp tells us that Matt's handlers have accepted the reality that the Titans won't be drafting their guy at No. 3, barring a dramatic reversal of the current intention to acquire Texas quarterback Vince Young. Per the source, new Leinart agent Tom Condon has attempted to get some kind of an assurance from each of the teams drafting in the top five -- but has gotten nothing.

At No. 4, the Jets are not expected to draft a quarterback. Word is that they are looking to land Alabama's Brodie Croyle later in the day.

At No. 5, the Packers can't afford to spend another first-rounder on a guy who'll do nothing for them in 2006, especially since Lord Favre is coming back for one more year.

At No. 6, the 49ers have their quarterback in Alex Smith.

We'd initially presumed that the Raiders would take Leinart at No. 7, but we're now hearing from multiple sources that they won't.

The Bills won't touch Leinart at No. 8, unless G.M. Marv Levy is even nuttier than we currently believe.

At No. 9, there's no way the Lions pounce on Leinart.

Then we come to the Cardinals at No. 10. Will Denny Green be able to resist drafting a guy who falls into his lap, just like Randy Moss did eight years ago? We've got the Cardinals taking offensive tackle Winston Justice, given the importance of beefing up the group of guys who are going to be charged with keeping those big-money skill-position players alive.

At No. 11, quarterback is one of the few positions that the Rams have covered.

At No. 12, we can't see the Browns taking Leinart.

Then come the Ravens at No. 13. In our current mock draft, we've got them taking Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler. Though we're feeling a little wishy-washy about whether Brian the Brain will stake his future on another first-round signal-caller, it might be hard for the supposed offensive guru to not take Leinart, if he falls into the team's lap.

And we think that the lowest Leinart would go, if he gets past Baltimore, is Minnesota at No. 17.

So the 2004 Heisman winner won't fall as dramatically as Rodgers did a year ago, when the Jeff Tedford prodigy plunged from potentially being the No. 1 pick all the way to No. 24. But given that Leinart was the presumptive No. 1 choice in 2005, and that he most likely would have been taken by the 49ers with the first pick, the possibility of sliding to No. 10 or lower translates into millions and millions of dollars of money that will never come back.

www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

[ludo21]

Please, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

next year shanny, next year.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I predicted it on another thread. I think that Matt falls a bit. I just dont see the skill set of a top 5 QB there. People say that he's valuable because of what's in his head, but has that ever guaranteed a player a high pick?

[Popps]

There is NO way he slips that far. No way.

[-Slap-]

No way he gets by Oakland and St Louis.

[bpc]

Well... I highly doubt that both the Lions and Cards pass on him. I just don't see it happening.

I'm not a huge Leinart fan. He could be okay but I'm not enamored with his mobility.

[Play2win]

No way he gets by Denver, wherever they trade up to... :wiggle:

[2KBack]

I don't see him sliding that far, no way no how. Still though in that unlikely scenario, I'd root for the guy

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No way he gets by Oakland and St Louis.
Nope, despite SoCal's hopes and wishes.

[Tombstone RJ]

Could Leinart slide all the way to 15?

POSTED 8:36 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:21 a.m. EDT, April 26, 2006

TEAM LEINART BRACING FOR SLIDE?

At a time when former USC tailback Reggie Bush is dealing with an unwelcome distraction that could disrupt his plan to be the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, his teammate who could have been the first pick in 2004 could now be facing a slide conjuring memories of the Aaron Rodgers plunge in 2005.

A source close to the Leinart camp tells us that Matt's handlers have accepted the reality that the Titans won't be drafting their guy at No. 3, barring a dramatic reversal of the current intention to acquire Texas quarterback Vince Young. Per the source, new Leinart agent Tom Condon has attempted to get some kind of an assurance from each of the teams drafting in the top five -- but has gotten nothing.

At No. 4, the Jets are not expected to draft a quarterback. Word is that they are looking to land Alabama's Brodie Croyle later in the day.

At No. 5, the Packers can't afford to spend another first-rounder on a guy who'll do nothing for them in 2006, especially since Lord Favre is coming back for one more year.

At No. 6, the 49ers have their quarterback in Alex Smith.

We'd initially presumed that the Raiders would take Leinart at No. 7, but we're now hearing from multiple sources that they won't.

The Bills won't touch Leinart at No. 8, unless G.M. Marv Levy is even nuttier than we currently believe.

At No. 9, there's no way the Lions pounce on Leinart.

Then we come to the Cardinals at No. 10. Will Denny Green be able to resist drafting a guy who falls into his lap, just like Randy Moss did eight years ago? We've got the Cardinals taking offensive tackle Winston Justice, given the importance of beefing up the group of guys who are going to be charged with keeping those big-money skill-position players alive.

At No. 11, quarterback is one of the few positions that the Rams have covered.

At No. 12, we can't see the Browns taking Leinart.

Then come the Ravens at No. 13. In our current mock draft, we've got them taking Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler. Though we're feeling a little wishy-washy about whether Brian the Brain will stake his future on another first-round signal-caller, it might be hard for the supposed offensive guru to not take Leinart, if he falls into the team's lap.

And we think that the lowest Leinart would go, if he gets past Baltimore, is Minnesota at No. 17.

So the 2004 Heisman winner won't fall as dramatically as Rodgers did a year ago, when the Jeff Tedford prodigy plunged from potentially being the No. 1 pick all the way to No. 24. But given that Leinart was the presumptive No. 1 choice in 2005, and that he most likely would have been taken by the 49ers with the first pick, the possibility of sliding to No. 10 or lower translates into millions and millions of dollars of money that will never come back.

www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

No way this happens.

[SoCalBronco]

Nope, despite SoCal's hopes and wishes.

I'd be quite pleased to see him in Oakland. There's been alot of talk about who Al has his eye on. One second its VY, then Leinart, than VD. Raider Bill seems to think he is pretty committed to Walter in the future after a short interim period of Brooks. We'll see. But SF seems to want VD quite a bit at 6 although they were quite enthralled with DeAngelo Williams at the Senior Bowl in the same way Gruden was with Cadillac when the Bucs staff coached the South team last year.

[GonzoLays]

Could Leinart slide all the way to 15?

POSTED 8:36 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:21 a.m. EDT, April 26, 2006

TEAM LEINART BRACING FOR SLIDE?

At a time when former USC tailback Reggie Bush is dealing with an unwelcome distraction that could disrupt his plan to be the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, his teammate who could have been the first pick in 2004 could now be facing a slide conjuring memories of the Aaron Rodgers plunge in 2005.

A source close to the Leinart camp tells us that Matt's handlers have accepted the reality that the Titans won't be drafting their guy at No. 3, barring a dramatic reversal of the current intention to acquire Texas quarterback Vince Young. Per the source, new Leinart agent Tom Condon has attempted to get some kind of an assurance from each of the teams drafting in the top five -- but has gotten nothing.

At No. 4, the Jets are not expected to draft a quarterback. Word is that they are looking to land Alabama's Brodie Croyle later in the day.

At No. 5, the Packers can't afford to spend another first-rounder on a guy who'll do nothing for them in 2006, especially since Lord Favre is coming back for one more year.

At No. 6, the 49ers have their quarterback in Alex Smith.

We'd initially presumed that the Raiders would take Leinart at No. 7, but we're now hearing from multiple sources that they won't.

The Bills won't touch Leinart at No. 8, unless G.M. Marv Levy is even nuttier than we currently believe.

At No. 9, there's no way the Lions pounce on Leinart.

Then we come to the Cardinals at No. 10. Will Denny Green be able to resist drafting a guy who falls into his lap, just like Randy Moss did eight years ago? We've got the Cardinals taking offensive tackle Winston Justice, given the importance of beefing up the group of guys who are going to be charged with keeping those big-money skill-position players alive.

At No. 11, quarterback is one of the few positions that the Rams have covered.

At No. 12, we can't see the Browns taking Leinart.

Then come the Ravens at No. 13. In our current mock draft, we've got them taking Vanderbilt quarterback Jay Cutler. Though we're feeling a little wishy-washy about whether Brian the Brain will stake his future on another first-round signal-caller, it might be hard for the supposed offensive guru to not take Leinart, if he falls into the team's lap.

And we think that the lowest Leinart would go, if he gets past Baltimore, is Minnesota at No. 17.

So the 2004 Heisman winner won't fall as dramatically as Rodgers did a year ago, when the Jeff Tedford prodigy plunged from potentially being the No. 1 pick all the way to No. 24. But given that Leinart was the presumptive No. 1 choice in 2005, and that he most likely would have been taken by the 49ers with the first pick, the possibility of sliding to No. 10 or lower translates into millions and millions of dollars of money that will never come back.

www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

How many times does profootballtalk.com have to be wrong before people realize they make their shiit up? I can't believe people still read the crap they post.

[BroncoFiend]

I love the reason for Detroit passing on him

"At No. 9, there's no way the Lions pounce on Leinart."

Hmmm is that because they just gave up on their QB of the future and have 'solidified the position with two journeyman backups??

Not to mention their logic for the Rams:

"At No. 11, quarterback is one of the few positions that the Rams have covered.

At No. 12, we can't see the Browns taking Leinart."

The Rams are widely rumored to be eyeing a QB, and the Browns have a HUGE '?' at the position.

They are idiots at that site.

[loborugger]

Taking a QB in the first round is, IMHO, the biggest gamble of all. They have, at best, a 50/50 chance of succeeding. And for every Manning, there is Ryan Leaf lurking out there. What was that big draft class of QBs, I think it was 99. The class gave us McNabb and Culpepper, but it also gave us Akili Smith and Tim Couch.

Also, if a QB is taken in the first round, the team is really married to the guy. The guy becomes a "have to" performer. You cant have a first round QB sitting on the bench learning the game. He has to step up. Look at a guy like Harrington. Dude is already considered a bust - even though he could at some point learn the game. It becomes a lot harder for a team to dump a first round QB that is a non-performer than say a CB or LB of the same credentials.

I am a fan of letting other teams go after the big name QBs. Then we can sign em as free agents... ;)

While we do have some holes, I hope we expend our first round pick (should we keep it) on the best athlete available - minus QB and kickers.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I dont know if I see Leinart falling past Arizona, but I could see him fall out of the top 5.

Can someone tell me why Leinart is worth a top 5 pick?

[GonzoLays]

I love the reason for Detroit passing on him

"At No. 9, there's no way the Lions pounce on Leinart."

Hmmm is that because they just gave up on their QB of the future and have 'solidified the position with two journeyman backups??

Not to mention their logic for the Rams:

"At No. 11, quarterback is one of the few positions that the Rams have covered.

At No. 12, we can't see the Browns taking Leinart."

The Rams are widely rumored to be eyeing a QB, and the Browns have a HUGE '?' at the position.

They are idiots at that site.

The same guy that dismissed Pat Kirwan of NFL.com for not knowing anything references profootballtalk.com for draft news.

Its obvious SoCalBronco has an agenda and skewed view of the draft. If a former GM such as Pat Kirwan writes something he does not agree with he is thoroughly dismissed as a quack with no football knowledge. Yet if a website with a dubious history of publishing articles that boggle the mind with fallacies and untruths writes a story that fits his agenda it is posted on the front page.

[Raider Bill]

The more I read Oakland is selecting a QB, the more I am certain they aren't. They're trying to goad someone into jumping up above 7 to push one of the positional players back a notch. I just hope it's VD and not Huff.

[loborugger]

The more I read Oakland is selecting a QB, the more I am certain they aren't. They're trying to goad someone into jumping up above 7 to push one of the positional players back a notch. I just hope it's VD and not Huff.

Ya, its all a big fake out right now. I think you can take these rumors with a grain of salt. More than a few are intentional disinformation releases while others are just down right wrong. Its hard to find the diamond in the rough. I dont even know why guys like Mel Kiper have a freakin job... what does he do, get about 10 percent of his guesses right? If I did that poorly, I would be in the breadline. Draft prognosticator, my butt.

[watermock]

Actually he got 6 of 10 right.

[loborugger]

In one year? Wow, I am impressed.

[Raider Bill]

Thing is sportswriters seemed to put a lot of stock into who was brought in for visits.

The Raiders routinely select a guy they never brought in.

[Orange_Beard]

This is BS.

Why would he fall?

On the 1 in a million it would happen, I would be very happy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Can someone tell me why Matt Leinart is worth a top 5 pick? What substance does he have that equates to that sort of value?

I understant that hes "smart", but so was Brian Greise. To be honest, I dont see a whole lot of difference between the two.

[Rock Chalk]

All these players rising and falling in the draft.

You know what's going on in the war rooms?

Nothing. Draft boards are set. Teams know who they are targeting and nothing other than an arrest of someone is going to change that.

The media can speculate all they want, teams dont care what the media says, I can promise you that. Anything you hear anywhere is all bull****.

Too close to draft day.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Can someone tell me why Matt Leinart is worth a top 5 pick? What substance does he have that equates to that sort of value?


He has "it" supposedly

[Rock Chalk]

He has "it" supposedly
So did Ryan Leaf ;D

[epicSocialism4tw]

He has "it" supposedly

Does "it" have something to do with South California overhype?

I mean, he doesnt have a quick release, doesnt have great arm strength, and doesnt have good mobility.

All I have right now is that he is competitive (who isnt?), is trained for a pro offense, and "can make all of the throws." That sounds like a description of nearly every backup QB in the NFL.

This guy is not Carson Palmer.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

So did Ryan Leaf ;D

No, Ryan had physical talent. Leinart doesn't have the same talent, he just wins wherever he goes.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

This guy is not Carson Palmer.

He's not an Eli-level prospect, who was not a Palmer-level prospect, who was not an Elway-level prospect.

[epicSocialism4tw]

He's not an Eli-level prospect, who was not a Palmer-level prospect, who was not an Elway-level prospect.

Seriously though...what is the draw? The Heisman Trophy?

He played on a team chock full of offensive talent.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Seriously, I don't know

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hey Leinart apologists!

Convince me why Leinart is a top 5 pick. I just dont see it. Especially when you have a freak athlete on the Jordan level at the same position.

[Taco John]

I mean, he doesnt have a quick release, doesnt have great arm strength, and doesnt have good mobility.




:rofl: LOL :rofl:


Please. Leinart most definitely has a quick release. He has a great arm, and most importantly, his accuracy is spot on. If you don't like seeing receivers hit in stride, then I can see why you wouldn't like Leinart. If you don't like quarterbacks who make good decisions with the ball, Leinart isn't your guy.

[Rock Chalk]

:rofl: LOL :rofl:


Please. Leinart most definitely has a quick release. He has a great arm, and most importantly, his accuracy is spot on. If you don't like seeing receivers hit in stride, then I can see why you wouldn't like Leinart.
I question his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I do not question his ability as a QB because clearly he can sling the rock, and well. But his mobility is to be questioned and the speed of NFL defenses is about twice as fast as collegiate defenses. Particularly those that USC played throughout most of their streak of wins.

When finally up against a strong defense in Texas, which btw, isn't as good as Houston's defense which sucks, they could not get the ball in the end zone. Good coaching in the second half made some adjustments but the NFL defenses adjust much better than Mack Brown did.

All I am saying is that while his accuracy and intelligence are not in question, he does have question marks surrounding him. This guy has Griese written all over him. I know how much you loved the Greasy One too, but that didn't get us much did it?

[epicSocialism4tw]

:rofl: LOL :rofl:


Please. Leinart most definitely has a quick release. He has a great arm, and most importantly, his accuracy is spot on. If you don't like seeing receivers hit in stride, then I can see why you wouldn't like Leinart. If you don't like quarterbacks who make good decisions with the ball, Leinart isn't your guy.

Leinart doesnt have nearly the quick release that Young has. Leinart doesnt have the arm strength that young has either. Young (collegiately) had a much higher completion percentage.

Young is superior in nearly every aspect. Including a dimension that is extremely rare. Why would someone choose Matt over Vince? I just dont see it. You dont draft QB's to come in and change your franchise immediately, and Young has an infititely higher ceiling.

[Raider Bill]

I agree with Phil Simms' take. Cuttler is the guy most ready to step in and play since he's been throwing off his back foot into tight spots the entire time at Vandy.

Leinart is a product of his supporting cast and some team will be trying to make Young a wide reciever down the road to get something out of him.

[Taco John]

I think that's fair criticism, Alec... except for the Griese comparison...

Also, I never loved Griese. I didn't want him to begin with. But once we dedicated the amount of cap money to him that we did, I was resigned to getting the most of it. I thought we blew it when we paid him all of that money and then let Tony Jones walk. There's no way any quarterback should be expected to produce when he's got a back-up center masquerading as a starting left tackle. Especially given the receivers he had once Eddie went down...

But as far as that goes, Brian was able to throw 100 passes to Rod and 100 passes to Eddie in the same season. He was doing something right, wouldn't you say?

[SouthStndJunkie]

I agree with Taco. Leinart is a franchise QB in my opinion. I like Jake, but if Leinart somehow fell to us (he will not) we would be idiots to not select him. The guy is a winner, has moxie, poise, and all the intangibles. He may not run a 4.5 or throw the ball through walls, but is a great field general, stays cool under pressure and flat out knows how to play QB.

angryllama wants proof he is a top five qb, when I think it needs to be proven why he is not...and no excuses about arm strength and athletic ability....guys like Tom Brady have shown more goes into the position than those attributes.

[Rock Chalk]

I think that's fair criticism, Alec... except for the Griese comparison...

Also, I never loved Griese. I didn't want him to begin with. But once we dedicated the amount of cap money to him that we did, I was resigned to getting the most of it. I thought we blew it when we paid him all of that money and then let Tony Jones walk. There's no way any quarterback should be expected to produce when he's got a back-up center masquerading as a starting left tackle. Especially given the receivers he had once Eddie went down...

But as far as that goes, Brian was able to throw 100 passes to Rod and 100 passes to Eddie in the same season. He was doing something right, wouldn't you say?
Brian didnt win games. What was he, a .500 player for us as a starter? 100 and 100 in the same season got us exactly how many playoff wins? In 2001, Griese led us to our most prolific offense EVER, and we lost in the first round because of a pass rush.

Which was Griese's bane.

And I think it will be Leinart's bane. Which is why I made the comparison.

[Taco John]

Leinart doesnt have nearly the quick release that Young has. Leinart doesnt have the arm strength that young has either. Young (collegiately) had a much higher completion percentage.

Young is superior in nearly every aspect. Including a dimension that is extremely rare. Why would someone choose Matt over Vince? I just dont see it. You dont draft QB's to come in and change your franchise immediately, and Young has an infititely higher ceiling.



Why would anyone choose Peyton Manning over Michael Vick?

[Taco John]

Brian didnt win games. What was he, a .500 player for us as a starter? 100 and 100 in the same season got us exactly how many playoff wins? In 2001, Griese led us to our most prolific offense EVER, and we lost in the first round because of a pass rush.

Which was Griese's bane.

And I think it will be Leinart's bane. Which is why I made the comparison.


Fair enough. I think that the comparison misses the mark, because Griese never was able to handle the rush, as where Lienart has shown the ability to move around and manage the pocket.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I agree with Taco. Leinart is a franchise QB in my opinion. I like Jake, but if Leinart somehow fell to us (he will not) we would be idiots to not select him. The guy is a winner, has moxie, poise, and all the intangibles. He may not run a 4.5 or throw the ball through walls, but is a great field general, stays cool under pressure and flat out knows how to play QB.

angryllama wants proof he is a top five qb, when I think it needs to be proven why he is not...and no excuses about arm strength and athletic ability....guys like Tom Brady have shown more goes into the position than those attributes.

Tom Brady was a late round draft choice for a reason. Who could have predicted that he would have been so successful?

Lienart may have "moxie" and "poise" but can you say that Vince Young doesnt after his display in consecutive Rose Bowls? Leinart couldnt keep up with Vince. Vince dominated a great Michigan team. I see more of those tough mental characteristics in Vince than in Lienart.

[24champ]

:rofl: LOL :rofl:


Please. Leinart most definitely has a quick release. He has a great arm, and most importantly, his accuracy is spot on. If you don't like seeing receivers hit in stride, then I can see why you wouldn't like Leinart. If you don't like quarterbacks who make good decisions with the ball, Leinart isn't your guy.
I saw alot of Trojan games this year on TV and I saw alot of squiggly balls chucked up and rarely seen a tight spiral from Leinart. The only thing impressive about Leinart is how he doesnt fold when the pressure is on.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Why would anyone choose Peyton Manning over Michael Vick?

I dont think that you are dividing the players along the right lines there.

[The Big E]

I question his ability to adjust to the speed of the NFL. I do not question his ability as a QB because clearly he can sling the rock, and well. But his mobility is to be questioned and the speed of NFL defenses is about twice as fast as collegiate defenses. Particularly those that USC played throughout most of their streak of wins.

When finally up against a strong defense in Texas, which btw, isn't as good as Houston's defense which sucks, they could not get the ball in the end zone. Good coaching in the second half made some adjustments but the NFL defenses adjust much better than Mack Brown did.

All I am saying is that while his accuracy and intelligence are not in question, he does have question marks surrounding him. This guy has Griese written all over him. I know how much you loved the Greasy One too, but that didn't get us much did it?

I agree with much of your post, but USC scored TD's on 4 straight possessions and Leinart threw for 360 some odd yards.

I do think there are legit questions about him, however, because he basically did have an offense full of future NFL players at almost every position.

I mostly wonder what Leinart will do when he's getting hit frequently and hard, like David Carr has. I'm not so sure if he can take a real pounding or not because the few times he did get pounded in college he definitely got thrown off his game.

Still, I can't see him dropping as far as 15. No way.

[Play2win]

Can someone tell me why Matt Leinart is worth a top 5 pick? What substance does he have that equates to that sort of value?

I understand that hes "smart", but so was Brian Greise. To be honest, I dont see a whole lot of difference between the two.
You're Delusional...

Why don't you just say, "He's not my guy, definitely not one of my favorite players, so he's not one of the guys I want on my team or any of my liked teams. I want VY instead, because he is my guy."

Instead of ignoring that the guy definitely has the talent to play at a high level in the NFL. He has an attractive combination of skill, accuracy, size, smarts and decision making ability to succeed.

Just be honest and say you don't like the guy instead of trying to discredit him with baseless and simpleton accusations. Just be honest about it...

[SouthStndJunkie]

Tom Brady was a late round draft choice for a reason. Who could have predicted that he would have been so successful?

Lienart may have "moxie" and "poise" but can you say that Vince Young doesnt after his display in consecutive Rose Bowls? Leinart couldnt keep up with Vince. Vince dominated a great Michigan team. I see more of those tough mental characteristics in Vince than in Lienart.

This is not about Vince Young, it is about Matt Leinart. As for that Michigan team......they were not great...they are my favorite team, but they are far from great and were one of the poorest tackling teams I have ever seen. As for Leinart not keeping up with Vince....I see it more as the USC defense could not keep up with Vince.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The only thing impressive about Leinart is how he doesnt fold when the pressure is on.

Some QBs have made a career off that.

[Play2win]

:rofl: LOL :rofl:


Please. Leinart most definitely has a quick release. He has a great arm, and most importantly, his accuracy is spot on. If you don't like seeing receivers hit in stride, then I can see why you wouldn't like Leinart. If you don't like quarterbacks who make good decisions with the ball, Leinart isn't your guy.
I would go as far as to say Leinart has some of the best accuracy that has come out of the draft in quite a while. He has acute accuracy.

I still believe accuracy is the MOST IMPORTANT attribute a QB could have in Shanahan's system.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You're Delusional...

Why don't you just say, "He's not my guy, definitely not one of my favorite players, so he's not one of the guys I want on my team or any of my liked teams. I want VY instead, because he is my guy."

Instead of ignoring that the guy definitely has the talent to play at a high level in the NFL. He has an attractive combination of skill, accuracy, size, smarts and decision making ability to succeed.

Just be honest and say you don't like the guy instead of trying to discredit him with baseless and simpleton accusations. Just be honest about it...

I just dont see an outstanding NFL talent in the guy. I keep hearing comparisons to Brady, but should that be a compliment before the draft? Brady was a sixth rounder.

In the NFL, raw ability molded into skill separates the wheat from the chaff. In Leinart, I see skill but not alot of raw ability. I think that he is a Phil Simms type at his ceiling, and a bust at his floor. Ive seen Lienart make some nice throws, but I have also seen him make some egregious mistakes. I also saw him thoroughly upstaged and outplayed by another QB in the same draft.

[Play2win]

I agree with Taco. Leinart is a franchise QB in my opinion. I like Jake, but if Leinart somehow fell to us (he will not) we would be idiots to not select him. The guy is a winner, has moxie, poise, and all the intangibles. He may not run a 4.5 or throw the ball through walls, but is a great field general, stays cool under pressure and flat out knows how to play QB.

angryllama wants proof he is a top five qb, when I think it needs to be proven why he is not...and no excuses about arm strength and athletic ability....guys like Tom Brady have shown more goes into the position than those attributes.

I have thought of Leinart very much in the same way as BRADY for quite a while now. He does the same things well that BRADY does, and he produces alot in the same way TOM BRADY does...

[Ballhawk]

One thing is true about Leinart, give him a superior team and he can win.

[ludo21]

I have thought of Leinart very much in the same way as BRADY for quite a while now. He does the same things well that BRADY does, and he produces alot in the same way TOM BRADY does...


Doesnt have the arm Brady does.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is not about Vince Young, it is about Matt Leinart. As for that Michigan team......they were not great...they are my favorite team, but they are far from great and were one of the poorest tackling teams I have ever seen. As for Leinart not keeping up with Vince....I see it more as the USC defense could not keep up with Vince.

The reason I brought up Vince is because he's the player that could cause Leinart to drop, and is the player that he should be compared to.

[24champ]

Some QBs have made a career off that.
Right but he wont get away with the squiggly balls he chucks up for his receivers. If Cade McNown was entering the draft this would he be a top 10 pick? I think not because he already was drafted in the first round and failed miserably in the NFL. I say this because Leinart is McNown part II. Like Leinart, Mcnown did well in the pac 10 w/ good players surrounding him and had a boarderline weak arm. Like Leinart, Mcnown going into the draft was said to succeed in the NFL because of his great success in college and looked ready for the NFL despite his questionable arm. Like Leinart, McNown was a lefty. I don't know about you guys, but I see so much of McNown in Leinart.

[Play2win]

Doesnt have the arm Brady does.
Did BRADY have the Arm BRADY now has when he was a Rookie... or in college...

[DBroncos4life]

I think he is a better version of Chad Pennington.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I just dont see an outstanding NFL talent in the guy. I keep hearing comparisons to Brady, but should that be a compliment before the draft? Brady was a sixth rounder.


I would see it as evidence that Brady was evaluated using the same rigid measurables that you are trying to evaluate Leinart with. Everyone knows you need a rocket arm for NFL success. Just ask Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, David Klingler, and Kyle Boller.

[ScottXray]

Brian didnt win games. What was he, a .500 player for us as a starter? 100 and 100 in the same season got us exactly how many playoff wins? In 2001, Griese led us to our most prolific offense EVER, and we lost in the first round because of a pass rush.

Which was Griese's bane.

And I think it will be Leinart's bane. Which is why I made the comparison.

Seems to me that Griese was on the sidelines for that playoff game (injured). You can blame him for a lot of stuff...but not the loss to Baltimore in the playoffs. Had he played and we had won that game I wonder what people would have to say about him now.

Water under the bridge.:curtsey:

[Play2win]

Or we could just draft STEVE NASH... :wiggle:

[Taco John]

I dont think that you are dividing the players along the right lines there.



That's a pretty weak response.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Doesnt have the arm Brady does.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2000/nfldraft/players/13296.html

2000 draft profile Tom Brady:

Two-year starter. Very tall with a thin build. Needs to upgrade his overall strength. Pocket passer with average quickness. Can slide from pressure, but is not very elusive. Doesn't look to run. Holds the ball a bit low, but has a fairly quick release. Lacks a strong arm. Doesn't rifle the long outs, but he's an accurate passer with a good feel for touch. Sails some throws and hangs some deep balls. Leader. Eyeballs his primary target at times, but shows the ability to come off and find alternates. Generally makes good decisions. Had a good Orange Bowl.

[Taco John]

I think he is a better version of Chad Pennington.



Chad Pennington is about where I'd guess Brodie Croyle is... I think Brodie will be a promising quarterback who ends up injured.

[Play2win]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2000/nfldraft/players/13296.html

2000 draft profile Tom Brady:

Two-year starter. Very tall with a thin build. Needs to upgrade his overall strength. Pocket passer with average quickness. Can slide from pressure, but is not very elusive. Doesn't look to run. Holds the ball a bit low, but has a fairly quick release. Lacks a strong arm. Doesn't rifle the long outs, but he's an accurate passer with a good feel for touch. Sails some throws and hangs some deep balls. Leader. Eyeballs his primary target at times, but shows the ability to come off and find alternates. Generally makes good decisions. Had a good Orange Bowl.

Now, tell me that's not, in some measure, also a scouting report for Matt Leinart...

[Taco John]

The reason I brought up Vince is because he's the player that could cause Leinart to drop, and is the player that he should be compared to.


Bah. That's ridiculous. Vince Young could never run a sophisticated NFL offense. Leinart can. Someone is going to have to dumb down a system tailor made for Young. Otherwise, he's going to be an interception king.

[ludo21]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2000/nfldraft/players/13296.html

2000 draft profile Tom Brady:

Two-year starter. Very tall with a thin build. Needs to upgrade his overall strength. Pocket passer with average quickness. Can slide from pressure, but is not very elusive. Doesn't look to run. Holds the ball a bit low, but has a fairly quick release. Lacks a strong arm. Doesn't rifle the long outs, but he's an accurate passer with a good feel for touch. Sails some throws and hangs some deep balls. Leader. Eyeballs his primary target at times, but shows the ability to come off and find alternates. Generally makes good decisions. Had a good Orange Bowl.


Maybe Leinart will improve his arm strength like Brady did then?

But his elbow still has some concern to that.

[DBroncos4life]

Chad Pennington is about where I'd guess Brodie Croyle is... I think Brodie will be a promising quarterback who ends up injured.
Chad would have been a very good NFL QB had he not gotten hurt. I think Leinart is a better player, but I don't see Manning like numbers from him. Still he should be a top 5 pick.

[Play2win]

SHOTGUN **Cough** **Cough**

[epicSocialism4tw]

That's a pretty weak response.

Peyton Manning? Peyton has a pretty nice arm. He can sling it. Lienart doesnt have what the NFL would call a top-rate arm. Not in regards to velocity, release mechanics, or release speed. Peyton has a quick-snap release and throws well-weighted balls.

Peyton has also proven to be a rare decision maker at the NFL level. You make a big jump in presumption to assume that Lienart will be able to play at that level. Peyton is perhaps the headiest QB in history.

The Vick/Young comparison is what is weak. You should know better than that.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm not buying all this hype. No way Leinart falls out of the top 10. No chance.

[Taco John]

I don't know that I see Manning numbers from him... But I see a bright future for Matt Leinart, especially in the ever increasing quarterback friendly NFL.

As far as Vince Young goes, he's a creat scrambler/runner, but I'd never want him for the Broncos offense. He's just not fundamentally sound enough to run our offense. I just don't believe he has the patience or discipline to make the timing throws or decisions to successfully run a Shanahan offense. Leinart, on the other hand, does.

The best thing about Leinart is his accuracy and the touch he has on the deep ball. This ridiculous lying about Leinart not being able to throw a spiral is amusing, but worthless "analysis." Especially from someone touting Vince Young. Vince Young has terrible downfield accuracy. Young is accurate to about 15-20 yards, and after that it's all about the receiver being able to compensate for his lack of accuracy. And you're not going to find a more wobbly deep ball than Vince Young...

Vince Young is basically a more athletic Plummer. He's got great scramble ability, but it comes with poor downfield accuracy, a low release point that will get balls tipped, a fundamental lack of ability to run a complex offense. Vince will win games, however, simply on his ability to create with his legs. If you like that kind of offense, then Young is a great prospect.

[Taco John]

Peyton Manning? Peyton has a pretty nice arm. He can sling it. Lienart doesnt have what the NFL would call a top-rate arm. Not in regards to velocity, release mechanics, or release speed. Peyton has a quick-snap release and throws well-weighted balls.

Peyton has also proven to be a rare decision maker at the NFL level. You make a big jump in presumption to assume that Lienart will be able to play at that level. Peyton is perhaps the headiest QB in history.

The Vick/Young comparison is what is weak. You should know better than that.


You're high. Leinart defintely has a great arm. He might not have the deepest arm there is, but what he lacks distance, he more than makes up for in downfield touch, placement, and ability to find the open man. Add the fact that Leinart already shows a depth of understanding of the game and can adjust blocking assignments to get the most out of a play.

If you want to criticize Leinart's footwork, and relative lack of mobility, that's fine. It's legitimate criticism. But anyone pimping Vince Young in one breath while criticizing Matt Leinart's downfield ball is either ignorant or has a Texas zipcode.

[epicSocialism4tw]

[QUOTE=Taco John]
As far as Vince Young goes, he's a creat scrambler/runner, but I'd never want him for the Broncos offense. He's just not fundamentally sound enough to run our offense. I just don't believe he has the patience or discipline to make the timing throws or decisions to successfully run a Shanahan offense. Leinart, on the other hand, does.

Young made reads at Texas. He doesnt just take the snap and run. He's much more patient and disciplined in the pocket than Vick.

The best thing about Leinart is his accuracy and the touch he has on the deep ball. This ridiculous lying about Leinart not being able to throw a spiral is amusing, but worthless "analysis." Especially from someone touting Vince Young. Vince Young has terrible downfield accuracy. Young is accurate to about 15-20 yards, and after that it's all about the receiver being able to compensate for his lack of accuracy. And you're not going to find a more wobbly deep ball than Vince Young...

I didnt say anything about his spiral. I think he throws a nice shape.

Young can launch the ball. He's got a bigger arm than Lienart. If the DB's are cheating up to keep him in contain, It wont matter how much the WR will have to adjust because they'll be wide open. Young's deep ball isnt super accurate, but it is effective.

Vince Young is basically a more athletic Plummer. He's got great scramble ability, but it comes with poor downfield accuracy, a low release point that will get balls tipped, a fundamental lack of ability to run a complex offense. Vince will win games, however, simply on his ability to create with his legs. If you like that kind of offense, then Young is a great prospect.

Young is a much more athletic Plummer. He's got a slightly better arm in regard to strength and accuracy as well. Young can potentially completely take a defense out of it's strenghts by causing every team he faces to commit to maintaining gaps and spaces. Young has a good enough arm to exploit that situation.

[Taco John]

Do you believe Young could run the WCO?

[24champ]

The best thing about Leinart is his accuracy and the touch he has on the deep ball. This ridiculous lying about Leinart not being able to throw a spiral is amusing, but worthless "analysis."
He doesnt throw a spriral and Im not pimping VY either, Im just saying what I see on the TV. Hes a lobber.

[Taco John]

He doesnt throw a spriral and Im not pimping VY either, Im just saying what I see on the TV. Hes a lobber.



Who even knows what you're talking about using words like "lobber," but if that means "one of the most accurate quarterbacks since Peyton Manning," you're right.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Do you believe Young could run the WCO?

Yes. He throws quick darts on crossing routes and is very accurate. He threw something like 65% last season, much of which came in WCO type quick slants and dump offs.

I dont think that you would want to confine his ability to that type of situation though. You would definately want to create some space for him to freelance.

[Taco John]

I dont think that you would want to confine his ability to that type of situation though. You would definately want to create some space for him to freelance.


Well if there's anything we know that Shanahan likes, it's freelancing quarterbacks...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well if there's anything we know that Shanahan likes, it's freelancing quarterbacks...

Elway was a freelancing QB. He was maybe the greatest all-time at it. It had its drawbacks and he made his mistakes, but he was such a great winner that he was able to make it work.

I see that winning attitude and ability in Young. I see more of Elway than Vick in Young.

Edit: Elway's deep ball was sloppy.

[kamakazi_kal]

Edit: Elway's deep ball was sloppy.

you should be smacked!!! :crazy:

[24champ]

Who even knows what you're talking about using words like "lobber," but if that means "one of the most accurate quarterbacks since Peyton Manning," you're right.
no Im not saying Leinart is Payton Manning, far freaking from it. Id compare him to Kurt Warner TODAY. "Lobber" is where you let the ball go up for a long time and let your receivers get it, that wont cut it in the NFL with the fast corners.

[Taco John]

no Im not saying Leinart is Payton Manning, far freaking from it. Id compare him to Kurt Warner TODAY. "Lobber" is where you let the ball go up for a long time and let your receivers get it, that wont cut it in the NFL with the fast corners.



Ok. I didn't think you knew what you were talking about. Now you just confirmed it.

I'd love to see you come up with one single scouting report that says that Leinart just "lets the ball go up for a long time to let his receivers go get it." LOL LOL :rofl: LOL


Don't bother. You're the only one saying such rediculous things. Well... Maybe SoCal...

[24champ]

Ok. I didn't think you knew what you were talking about. Now you just confirmed it.

I'd love to see you come up with one single scouting report that says that Leinart just "lets the ball go up for a long time to let his receivers go get it." LOL LOL :rofl: LOL


Don't bother. You're the only one saying such rediculous things. Well... Maybe SoCal...
I dont need a scouting report to tell me that, I actually watch the games. You can believe the hype about Leinart if you want. Its draft week all players get hyped. I hope whoever drafts leinart has a good line because otherwise he will be pancaked. Id love to see Leinart handle an all-out blitz in the NFL.

Leinart is a limited athlete who lacks the foot quickness and playing speed to make big plays with his feet. While he moves around in the pocket well, he is not a guy who is going to buy a lot of second chances. He needs to become more consistent throwing deep passes with zip because he has such great receivers at USC that he gets into a bad habit of throwing touch passes too often. The biggest thing that Leinart will have to overcome is that he has never lost regularly and in his first few years in the NFL, he is going to lose a lot and how he handles this will determine if he makes it in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/leinart_matt

[Play2win]

I see that winning attitude and ability in Young. I see more of Elway than Vick in Young.

Edit: Elway's deep ball was sloppy.

ELWAY HATER...

[Taco John]

I dont need a scouting report to tell me that, I actually watch the games. You can believe the hype about Leinart if you want. Its draft week all players get hyped. I hope whoever drafts leinart has a good line because otherwise he will be pancaked. Id love to see Leinart handle an all-out blitz in the NFL.



Yeah, I watched USC games all season, which is why I know it's rediculous to call Matt Leinart a "lobber."

As far a all-out blitz, if we had a quarterback like Leinart handling such things, we might actually get a chance to see a real strength of our offensive system.

[Taco John]

Also, I have to note that I love the supposed criticism that Matt Leinart played on a good team. Yeah... A team he led to back-to back national Championships, and it's somehow a negative.

[Orange_Beard]

Yeah, I watched USC games all season, which is why I know it's rediculous to call Matt Leinart a "lobber."

As far a all-out blitz, if we had a quarterback like Leinart handling such things, we might actually get a chance to see a real strength of our offensive system.

Could not agree more.

[DrFate]

There is NO way he slips that far. No way.

I think it is quite possible. This years QBs are overhyped and a lot of teams have gone the FA route to deal with QB problems.

I'm not betting the farm on it, but he might slip.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Edit: Elway's deep ball was sloppy.
That's the probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard said about John Elway.

[broncohaven]

If Leinart gets past the Titans with his former OC near the helm it will speak volumes about Leinart's ability. VOLUMES.

[Play2win]

If Leinart gets past the Titans with his former OC near the helm it will speak volumes about Leinart's ability. VOLUMES.
Yeah, especially if they draft MARIO WILLIAMS... ::) :oyvey: Uhh

[Beantown Bronco]

If Leinart so much as drops out of the top 3, his senior year would have to go down as the most expensive year of college in history....

[Rascal]

No way he gets by Oakland and St Louis.

St Louis?

Why would they take him?

[-Slap-]

St Louis?

Why would they take him?
Because they have nothing at quarterback. Bulger is just about through as a starter and Jamie Martin is worthless. Linehan already took a run at Culpepper. He'll definitely draft a QB this weekend.

[BroncoInferno]

But as far as that goes, Brian was able to throw 100 passes to Rod and 100 passes to Eddie in the same season. He was doing something right, wouldn't you say?

Gus Frettoe was throwing to them in seven of those games.

[UboBronco]

Draft him?

Pass him over?

Make a trade with a team that may want him? (i.e. Vikings)

[ro_50]

Take Manny Lawson of NC St.

I dont see Jay Cutler falling all the way to 15 though.

[bronco militia]

http://gprime.net/flash.php/postingandyou

[Old Dude]

I don't think it's going to happen, but if it does, we draft him and work out a trade later on.

[Old Dude]

http://gprime.net/flash.php/postingandyou

Thread merged.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Realy all depends on who else is there say if Ngata/Bunkley fell also then we have a real choice to make. But if he just fell (which the Rams are trying to move up to 9 to take him before Zona so he wont make it past 11 anyway) then yea invest in the future and take him.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Thread merged.

I fail to see why a new Cutler thread gets merged with a Leinart thread, when there are about a half a dozen Cutler threads lying around out there.

[Old Dude]

I fail to see why a new Cutler thread gets merged with a Leinart thread, when there are about a half a dozen Cutler threads lying around out there.

Good point. I screwed up. Sorry.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

:~ohyah!:

It's ok, it's just your first week

[-Slap-]

Good point. I screwed up. Sorry.
Thought moderating was easy, didn't you?

http://72.22.74.110/BB/image.php?u=867&dateline=1144042469

[jonny1]

If Leinart gets past the Titans with his former OC near the helm it will speak volumes about Leinart's ability. VOLUMES.

The OC doesn't make the pick. The word here in Tennessee is that there is a BIG difference in opinion between Fisher and the GM on which QB to take.

[Old Dude]

:~ohyah!:

It's ok, it's just your first week

Honestly, we have so many of these what if so and so drops scenarios, I got them mixed up.

[Old Dude]

Thought moderating was easy, didn't you?

http://72.22.74.110/BB/image.php?u=867&dateline=1144042469

This is still a piece of cake compared to the HOF draft. You're on deck BTW.

[Rohirrim]

Honestly, we have so many of these what if so and so drops scenarios, I got them mixed up.

It will all be over in a couple of days, OD. Take another Viagra. Ha!

[Old Dude]

It will all be over in a couple of days, OD. Take another Viagra. Ha!

I don't know what I'm going to do on draft day. Last time I really got into it we took Foster and a whole bunch of guys who aren't around anymore. Time before that when I got excited was when we took the great Mike Croel. I think I'm a jinx, so maybe the best thing for me to do would be to go to the movies or something.

[ludo21]

I don't know what I'm going to do on draft day. Last time I really got into it we took Foster and a whole bunch of guys who aren't around anymore. Time before that when I got excited was when we took the great Mike Croel. I think I'm a jinx, so maybe the best thing for me to do would be to go to the movies or something.


good idea. :olddude:

We dont need the OD jinx, the team does that on its own :rofl:

[wolf754life]

Leinart Goes Third Or Fourth, He Won"t Slip Past The Jets!

[Arkansas Bronco]

I don't know what I'm going to do on draft day. Last time I really got into it we took Foster and a whole bunch of guys who aren't around anymore. Time before that when I got excited was when we took the great Mike Croel. I think I'm a jinx, so maybe the best thing for me to do would be to go to the movies or something.
Hmmm better see several movies the draft is a bit longer then 2 hours. If you play Golf that would fill up an afternoon. Also i think me missing the draft is the jinx I had to work the year we took Foster and the year we took Middlebust and Tovenesi (taped both) but rest asured I will be home all day on Saturday and Sunday. So if that is the jinx then you can watch but if we screw up we all can blame you.

[Old Dude]

Hmmm better see several movies the draft is a bit longer then 2 hours. If you play Golf that would fill up an afternoon. ...


The way I play golf, 9 holes would fill up the whole week.

[24champ]

Yeah, I watched USC games all season, which is why I know it's rediculous to call Matt Leinart a "lobber."

As far a all-out blitz, if we had a quarterback like Leinart handling such things, we might actually get a chance to see a real strength of our offensive system.
Did you catch the Oregon vs USC game this year? Alot of balls thrown by Leinart sailed over the receiver. Like the scouting report I quoted said "He needs to become more consistent throwing deep passes with zip because he has such great receivers at USC that he gets into a bad habit of throwing touch passes too often".

[Rock Chalk]

Fair enough. I think that the comparison misses the mark, because Griese never was able to handle the rush, as where Lienart has shown the ability to move around and manage the pocket.
Shown that ability in College, I agree. He was decent enough at avoiding pressure, but let's be real clear about something. 99% of their opponents had a piss poor pass rush compared to anything he is going to see in the NFL.

Take 2 seconds at least from his pocket time and Leinart is in trouble.

I think both Young and Leinart (and Cutler too) have great potential upside, but questions surround all of them enough that I do not see ANY of them as "elite" at this stage. I think Leinart is going to ahve a very similar career to what David Carr is experiencing and I see Young starting off much like McNabb, possibly Plummer if Young is drafted into the depths of Hell (aka, lots of picks, but lots of excitement too).

Cutler seems to have the least amount of question marks on whether or not he can make the transition but of the three QBs, he is the worst among them as far as talent IMO. That being said, the talent level for Cutler is there to play in the NFL, but is paled in comparison to Young AND Leinart.

My biggest beef with this whole thing is the continued bashing of Young when Young outplayed Leinart in College, period, check whatever stat you want, Young comes out on top (except the Wonderlic). Young played in a much more difficult conference thant Leinart, a conference that is likely to produce twice as many draftee's as Leinart's conference. His competition level was greater and thus, his adjustment in that regards will be less, HOWEVER, his throwing motion IS likely to get him in trouble and if he cant fix that then he will not succeed as an NFL QB. Just like Leinart will have to adjust to the speed of DBs when throwing deep and DLinemen when standing in the pocket.

Here's is one truth that even you cannot disagree with. None of us knows what is going to happen with any of the prospects coming out. Whatever you think you know, is just that, a thought, but not a fact.

[Rohirrim]

Shown that ability in College, I agree. He was decent enough at avoiding pressure, but let's be real clear about something. 99% of their opponents had a piss poor pass rush compared to anything he is going to see in the NFL.

Take 2 seconds at least from his pocket time and Leinart is in trouble.

I think both Young and Leinart (and Cutler too) have great potential upside, but questions surround all of them enough that I do not see ANY of them as "elite" at this stage. I think Leinart is going to ahve a very similar career to what David Carr is experiencing and I see Young starting off much like McNabb, possibly Plummer if Young is drafted into the depths of Hell (aka, lots of picks, but lots of excitement too).

Cutler seems to have the least amount of question marks on whether or not he can make the transition but of the three QBs, he is the worst among them as far as talent IMO. That being said, the talent level for Cutler is there to play in the NFL, but is paled in comparison to Young AND Leinart.

My biggest beef with this whole thing is the continued bashing of Young when Young outplayed Leinart in College, period, check whatever stat you want, Young comes out on top (except the Wonderlic). Young played in a much more difficult conference thant Leinart, a conference that is likely to produce twice as many draftee's as Leinart's conference. His competition level was greater and thus, his adjustment in that regards will be less, HOWEVER, his throwing motion IS likely to get him in trouble and if he cant fix that then he will not succeed as an NFL QB. Just like Leinart will have to adjust to the speed of DBs when throwing deep and DLinemen when standing in the pocket.

Here's is one truth that even you cannot disagree with. None of us knows what is going to happen with any of the prospects coming out. Whatever you think you know, is just that, a thought, but not a fact.

Yeah, if you wrote down what you thought of all of these players now, and then came back and checked your notes five years from now, you'd probably get quite a shock. Like Bill Walsh said, twenty percent of first rounders will be busts.

[watermock]

Arizona has Kurt Warner right? PFT is off his rocker on this one.

[GonzoLays]

St Louis?

Why would they take him?

Slap is closet Rams fan. He knows too much and posts too much about them for him not to be. Still holding on to those LA days.

[WaffleBoy]

Could Leinart slide all the way to 15?

POSTED 8:36 a.m. EDT; UPDATED 9:21 a.m. EDT, April 26, 2006

TEAM LEINART BRACING FOR SLIDE?

At a time when former USC tailback Reggie Bush is dealing with an unwelcome distraction that could disrupt his plan to be the No. 1 overall pick in the draft, his teammate who could have been the first pick in 2004 could now be facing a slide conjuring memories of the Aaron Rodgers plunge in 2005.


SoCal, Taco doesn't want an overhyped Brian Griese. He wants a proven commodity:

http://media3.steelers.com/MediaContent//2006/01/16/13/05_IND2_Roethlisberger_KR_647_61424.jpg

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Orange_Beard]

I don't see he slips past the Jets. The guy looks a little like Joe Namath.
More importantly with the Gaints geting Eli last year, they need a young star to compete.

[2KBack]

Yeah, if you wrote down what you thought of all of these players now, and then came back and checked your notes five years from now, you'd probably get quite a shock. Like Bill Walsh said, twenty percent of first rounders will be busts.

they'll both be busts if they don't stop floating their passes. Both Lienert and Young put too much air under their passes, Int city in the NFL.

[SteveRobWhatever]

I guess Florio wasn't entirely off his rocker when he said Leinart would slide.