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Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 11:19 PM
Guys and Gals, I found a pretty neat little site that has a bunch of different videos. I've been watching mainly WR's here for the last few minutes and one is standing out big time IMO. MoSto!!! Watch the video's of Holmes, CJax, and then Stovall and tell me you wouldn't rather have MoSto. It's only about a minute in a half but he snatched the ball very well. CJax snatched a few out of the air and most of Holmes' catches looked to be body catches. Given his size and the fact that we need an over the middle/redzone type I'd gladly take Stovall. I hope that the recent news/rumors of Holmes aren't true. I really don't think he's that great of a player. Stovall all the way!

I may even start an Oskie Karma thread just for him at 37!!!

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 11:20 PM
Guess it would help if I shared what that site was huh!!!

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5470428#wr

SoCalBronco
04-24-2006, 11:21 PM
I really want Stovall. The team had an indepth meeting with him a few days ago. Hopefully its not another smokescreen. It looks like if they really want him, they will have to take him at 37 because it will be extremely risky to wait till 61.

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 11:35 PM
Did you watch that video on him yet... snatches the ball very well!

Requiem
04-24-2006, 11:38 PM
Stovall has been the guy I've been wanting most of the time, but it never seemed possible with us being at #61, at #37 it is.

SoCalBronco
04-24-2006, 11:40 PM
good stuff on all the top prospects, thanks Oskie. :)

Ratboy
04-24-2006, 11:45 PM
I just watched Cutler's video. If he fell to 15, We would have to grab him.

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 11:45 PM
Not a problem. Maroney looked the best of the 3 or 4 RB's I watched... better than Lendale, Drew, or Norwood IMO.

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 11:47 PM
I just watched Cutler's video. If he fell to 15, We would have to grab him.


I haven't watched it yet... but I will.

Watch Stovall, Maroney, Lawson, and Kiwi when you have a chance. Stovall looked the best of those 4. Maroney right behind him. Lawson and Kiwi looked about the same. Every time you watch Lawson though you end up seeing that beast #9... which reminds me that we have no shot at him!

Requiem
04-24-2006, 11:47 PM
Maroney is the best fit four our system out of any of the backs, if I had to take a back late-first round, (if we dropped) I'd probably favor him, even though his hands are suspect.

Requiem
04-24-2006, 11:51 PM
I'm liking a lot of the prospects later (picks say 29-60) than anyone we can get at #15. I'd love to see a trade down there, which would probably mean we could another of the guys we're drooling over now.

Ratboy
04-24-2006, 11:54 PM
I wasn't impressed with White. If he fell to 37 I'd take him (or we trade down). But i wouldn't want him at 15.

Stovall was very impressive! I wouldn't worry about 40 times too much, since they seem very overrated. I'd like to get this guy at #37.

Requiem
04-24-2006, 11:58 PM
Stovall is a monster target. He caught some terrible passes by Quinn there. He's definitely been on my list for a long time. To me, I think the best-case scenario on draft day is trading down from #15 to the second, and getting a first next year. (I believe we could get more out of the deal.) Yes, it's a far drop, but the value in the draft -- especially with the positions we need is right inbetween picks say, #29 to #75. I think a deal as such is realistic, but we'd need a suitor.

Ratboy
04-25-2006, 12:04 AM
Stovall is a monster target. He caught some terrible passes by Quinn there. He's definitely been on my list for a long time. To me, I think the best-case scenario on draft day is trading down from #15 to the second, and getting a first next year. (I believe we could get more out of the deal.) Yes, it's a far drop, but the value in the draft -- especially with the positions we need is right inbetween picks say, #29 to #75. I think a deal as such is realistic, but we'd need a suitor.

I noticed Quinn threw some bad passes. I like Quinn, but maybe he isn't as good as i think. Jay Cutler looked better though.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2006, 12:18 AM
I'm liking a lot of the prospects later (picks say 29-60) than anyone we can get at #15. I'd love to see a trade down there, which would probably mean we could another of the guys we're drooling over now.

If the team has already decided not to go RB at 15, then I would be in favor of trading 15 for Minnesota's 48 and 51. We would be losing some value there, but its all about Day 1 quantity at this point. (MIN would likely frown at the request for their 3rd in addition to balance out of the value, their going to want compensation in return for giving up quantity in a deep draft and thats fine, a little value lost is no big deal, we could probably squeeze a 5th out of them if push comes to shove and they'd still prolly deal). That's the name of the game, quantity. We would have 37, 48, 51,61,68. 5 picks in the great value realm between the early 2nd and the early 3rd area. All these picks can land solid starters if not more. To say nothing of our 3 4ths. 8 picks in the first four rounds. That's gross. That's just filthy good. We can get alot younger and alot more talented on one weekend if we play our cards right.

Ratboy
04-25-2006, 12:24 AM
If the team has already decided not to go RB at 15, then I would be in favor of trading 15 for Minnesota's 48 and 51. We would be losing some value there, but its all about Day 1 quantity at this point. (MIN would likely frown at the request for their 3rd in addition to balance out of the value, their going to want compensation in return for giving up quantity in a deep draft and thats fine, a little value lost is no big deal, we could probably squeeze a 5th out of them if push comes to shove and they'd still prolly deal). That's the name of the game, quantity. We would have 37, 48, 51,61,68. 5 picks in the great value realm between the early 2nd and the early 3rd area. All these picks can land solid starters if not more. To say nothing of our 3 4ths. 8 picks in the first four rounds. That's gross. That's just filthy good. We can get alot younger and alot more talented on one weekend if we play our cards right.

With a lot of the first round talent "slipping" due to risers, This would be our best bet.

Now only if you could be in charge, We could land players such as Hali, Whitner, Stovall, Hass, M. Lewis, Fasano, Frankenstein, Rodrique Wright.

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:26 AM
I think that's a deal Minnesota would do. At #15, they could get Cutler and #17 could be another guy who could probably put them over the top. They've had such a good off-season (actually the past few) so they might rather take a guy at #17 over two guys there. I'd do that trade. They'd still have two-third rounders (their original and Seattle's) so I think that's something they could do. Maybe even package #15 and #17 to move up for one of the other QB's if they don't think they'll be there.

Wait a second -- I think if they threw in #95 (Via Seattle for Nate B.) -- the value would be pretty much even.

#37, #48, #51, #61 and #68 is just gross [Possibly #95]. There are too many combinations that would make my cream my jeans there. Slap one out if you'd like. I just wrote 5 down on my desk. Hm, maybe I'll share.

At any case, we're sitting nice as it is, but it's always nice to have an extra pick -- hopefully we can make something happen.

Hell, I wouldn't be opposed to us moving down just 4-5 spots and gaining an additional third, what are we going to lose?

Ballhawk
04-25-2006, 12:29 AM
I think that's a deal Minnesota would do. At #15, they could get Cutler and #17 could be another guy who could probably put them over the top. They've had such a good off-season (actually the past few) so they might rather take a guy at #17 over two guys there. I'd do that trade. They'd still have two-third rounders (their original and Seattle's) so I think that's something they could do. Maybe even package #15 and #17 to move up for one of the other QB's if they don't think they'll be there.

#37, #48, #51, #61 and #68 is just gross. There are too many combinations that would make my cream my jeans there. Slap one out if you'd like. I just wrote 5 down on my desk. Hm, maybe I'll share.

I would rather have Cutler, Jake is no spring chicken.

SoCalBronco
04-25-2006, 12:32 AM
There are too many combinations that would make my cream my jeans there.

Your not the only one. :)

Here are some combos, just for fun.

37: Marcedes Lewis
48: Maurice Stovall
51: Mark Anderson
61: John McCargo
68: Darnell Bing

(I would rather not pick any back if we are not going to take one of the big 4 in the first round, I think there is a fairly significant drop off between the big 4 and the next tier of backs (Addai, Calhoun, Drew etc.)

37: Mathias Kiwanuka
48: Davin Joseph
51: Anthony Fasano
61. Demetrius Williams
68. Rodrique Wright

SoCalBronco
04-25-2006, 12:33 AM
With a lot of the first round talent "slipping" due to risers, This would be our best bet.

.

Absolutely. The early 2nd to the early 3rd is a huge gold mine. Damn...I cant wait another 4,5 days for the draft. I need it NOW!!!!

:)

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2006, 12:36 AM
Absolutely. The early 2nd to the early 3rd is a huge gold mine. Damn...I cant wait another 4,5 days for the draft. I need it NOW!!!!

:)


Sign me on this trade down stuff.

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:37 AM
I'm writing an e-mail to the Broncos right now, (well to their sugggestion part on their website) and I'm suggesting they trade down.

suggestions@broncos.nfl.net
_________________________________

Hello,

This is not exactly a suggestion for the site, but for what the Broncos should do on draft day. It'd mean a lot of you to give my message to Shanahan or Sundquist in regards to the draft. I've been a Broncos fan since I was a youngster and it's always interesting to see what they do on draft day. My advice to them is to trade down and gain additional picks in the draft. At #15, they'll more than likely have to reach for a player, so it'd be best if they traded down to gain additional first-day picks that would allow them to fill more needs on the squad.

I hope it won't be too much of a hassle to get this message to Mike and Ted.

(P.S. -- I love what they've done in the off-season thus far!)

Sincerely,

Chris

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:39 AM
37: Marcedes Lewis
48: Maurice Stovall
51: Mark Anderson
61: John McCargo
68: Darnell Bing


Are you right behind me? I swear on my life that is one of the exact combinations I came up with. Wow!

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2006, 12:41 AM
You guys like Tapp?

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:42 AM
I do like Tapp, but I don't think he's say, top "68" talent. (In terms of our picks) -- if we were able to gain an additional third, maybe. Not so sure he can be an every-down end in the NFL though; pretty small -- but hey - Freeney is too.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2006, 12:46 AM
I do like Tapp, but I don't think he's say, top "68" talent. (In terms of our picks) -- if we were able to gain an additional third, maybe. Not so sure he can be an every-down end in the NFL though; pretty small -- but hey - Freeney is too.

I would gladly use a 4th on him he ran by da brick at senior bowl.

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:47 AM
Oh most definitely, Tapp would be a nice player to add at #119. ****, should I call Broncos Headquarters? I wonder what my chances are at getting to talk to someone up high.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2006, 12:48 AM
Oh most definitely, Tapp would be a nice player to add at #119. ****, should I call Broncos Headquarters? I wonder what my chances are at getting to talk to someone up high.

Yes call them

Requiem
04-25-2006, 12:50 AM
Maybe, maybe I will. Not tonight though, tonight is sleepy time.

NFLBRONCO
04-25-2006, 01:24 AM
"I've said this all along, and I don't think people necessarily want to hear it, but I don't think we have any glaring weaknesses," Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist said. "Now there are places we want to shore up the depth on. But this team won 14 games and made it to the AFC championship (game), and I don't feel like it was a one-hit wonder."

Not that the Broncos can afford too many more first-day draft misses like Dorsett Davis, Terry Pierce or Maurice Clarett. The average age of their 11-player nucleus (Champ Bailey, Al Wilson, John Lynch, Gerard Warren, Ian Gold, Rod Smith, Jake Plummer, Tom Nalen, Matt Lepsis, Ben Hamilton, Jason Elam) will be roughly 32 years old when the season begins Sept. 10 at St. Louis.

Even if the Broncos don't need much help for 2006, their roster core suggests they may need at least two or three players to significantly contribute in 2007.

Broncoman13
04-25-2006, 10:12 AM
Your not the only one. :)

Here are some combos, just for fun.

37: Marcedes Lewis
48: Maurice Stovall
51: Mark Anderson
61: John McCargo
68: Darnell Bing

(I would rather not pick any back if we are not going to take one of the big 4 in the first round, I think there is a fairly significant drop off between the big 4 and the next tier of backs (Addai, Calhoun, Drew etc.)

37: Mathias Kiwanuka
48: Davin Joseph
51: Anthony Fasano
61. Demetrius Williams
68. Rodrique Wright

Nice thinking on both... but let me throw in a little twist. I've seen a lot of reports that now lead me to believe that Maroney and Addai have swapped. That is, Addai is likely a first round selection now and Maroney will drop to wear Addai was/is being projected. There is a very real chance that he's there at 37, especially if the reports are true and Addai goes ahead of him!

Rascal
04-25-2006, 10:35 AM
If the team has already decided not to go RB at 15, then I would be in favor of trading 15 for Minnesota's 48 and 51. We would be losing some value there, but its all about Day 1 quantity at this point. (MIN would likely frown at the request for their 3rd in addition to balance out of the value, their going to want compensation in return for giving up quantity in a deep draft and thats fine, a little value lost is no big deal, we could probably squeeze a 5th out of them if push comes to shove and they'd still prolly deal). That's the name of the game, quantity. We would have 37, 48, 51,61,68. 5 picks in the great value realm between the early 2nd and the early 3rd area. All these picks can land solid starters if not more. To say nothing of our 3 4ths. 8 picks in the first four rounds. That's gross. That's just filthy good. We can get alot younger and alot more talented on one weekend if we play our cards right.

I doubt we trade down anymore.

We already have what 10 picks in this draft? I don't think we will be able to pick 11 guys and have them all stick on the roster.

Rascal
04-25-2006, 10:43 AM
Damn Cutler is bigger and faster then i thought he was.

I'd easily take him at 15.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 10:59 AM
Jason Avant is the best WR in the draft for the Broncos. There. I said it. Out of all of the receivers we could draft, Avant looks like the brightest player of the group, the most athletic, the best route runner, the most likely to make the tough grab over the middle, and the most likely to make the outstanding play.

DRAFT JASON AVANT.

Rascal
04-25-2006, 11:10 AM
Bunkley looks like he's got Jumpy's old move.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 11:19 AM
Dont be surprised if Denver nabs two WR's on the first day. I could see any combination of deep threat-playmaker (Holmes/Demetrius Williams) and a posession guy who makes the tough plays (Jason Avant/Greg Jennings).

Guys, Greg Jennings is impressive. Big, deceptively fast, and instinctive. Ideal posession reciever.

Travis Wilson also was impressive. He can return kicks, and could replace Lelie as a deep threat.

One thing is clear though. All of the talent at this position in the draft is in round 2. I'm sure that our BT knows this as well.

Billy Clyde Puckett
04-25-2006, 01:04 PM
You are reading my mind. Jennings, Wilson, along with Demetrius williams, Aromashodu, Baskett, Avant and Marshall should be candidates for two of those round 3/4 picks