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epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2006, 09:57 PM
Congrats Avery.

To be announced on Tuesday.

epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2006, 10:03 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/042506dnspomavsnote.6a4f2b55.html

MajikMan7
04-24-2006, 10:06 PM
what about Larry Brown?

Man-Goblin
04-24-2006, 10:27 PM
good pick. good coach. got his team to play some D for a change. and I love his post game rants.

Karl could learn a thing or two from the kid.

Garcia Bronco
04-24-2006, 10:32 PM
I've heard the AJ and most of his players don't see eye-to-eye

epicSocialism4tw
04-24-2006, 10:41 PM
I've heard the AJ and most of his players don't see eye-to-eye

I dont know what you've heard, but he has been well recieved by the vets on the team. Especially Dirk, Stackhouse, Armstrong, Terry, and Dampier. They are committed to his vision.

TheManeMan
04-25-2006, 02:27 AM
I dont know what you've heard, but he has been well recieved by the vets on the team. Especially Dirk, Stackhouse, Armstrong, Terry, and Dampier. They are committed to his vision.

I guess that joke flew over your head...nice one GB :thumbs:

Clockwork Orange
04-25-2006, 02:28 AM
what about Larry Brown?

He's just livin' the dream.

Garcia Bronco
04-25-2006, 07:02 AM
I dont know what you've heard, but he has been well recieved by the vets on the team. Especially Dirk, Stackhouse, Armstrong, Terry, and Dampier. They are committed to his vision.

hehe...get it...because he's short compared.....:)

ro_50
04-25-2006, 08:51 AM
AJ is a mini version of Greg Popovich.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 08:54 AM
hehe...get it...because he's short compared.....:)

Gotcha. :hitself:

Im a bonafide idiot! :)

Rulon Velvet Jones
04-25-2006, 09:19 AM
But from today's DMN:

However, the league's other major piece of hardware – the MVP trophy – will elude Dirk Nowitzki, a source said. While it was unknown who will win the MVP, it will not be Nowitzki, who was lumped with Phoenix's Steve Nash, Cleveland's LeBron James, Detroit's Chauncey Billups and the Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant as legitimate candidates.

****.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 09:36 AM
But from today's DMN:

However, the league's other major piece of hardware the MVP trophy will elude Dirk Nowitzki, a source said. While it was unknown who will win the MVP, it will not be Nowitzki, who was lumped with Phoenix's Steve Nash, Cleveland's LeBron James, Detroit's Chauncey Billups and the Los Angeles Lakers' Kobe Bryant as legitimate candidates.

****.

Dirk wont win it until he beats the Spurs.

I know it's not fair because the other candidates are not held to that standard, but he will have to overcome a little bit more than the other guys. The only other candidate on the list that is held to Dirk's standard is Billups and he wont win it either.

MVP is a popularity contest. Dirk isnt very popular.

Garcia Bronco
04-25-2006, 12:39 PM
Gotcha. :hitself:

Im a bonafide idiot! :)


Avery Johnson is half the man of a regular NBA player.

Avery Johnson is always getting short with people.

yavoon
04-25-2006, 12:43 PM
AJ is a mini version of Greg Popovich.

while poppovich is a larry brown disciple.

GonzoLays
04-25-2006, 12:52 PM
Dirk wont win it until he beats the Spurs.

I know it's not fair because the other candidates are not held to that standard, but he will have to overcome a little bit more than the other guys. The only other candidate on the list that is held to Dirk's standard is Billups and he wont win it either.

MVP is a popularity contest. Dirk isnt very popular.

The MVP vote is not a popularity contest, it is a vote for who is the best player in the NBA. Dirk is no where in the vincinity of being the best player in the NBA. He is a solid all-star reserve.

GonzoLays
04-25-2006, 12:58 PM
Dirk wont win it until he beats the Spurs.

I know it's not fair because the other candidates are not held to that standard, but he will have to overcome a little bit more than the other guys. The only other candidate on the list that is held to Dirk's standard is Billups and he wont win it either.

MVP is a popularity contest. Dirk isnt very popular.

What you should do angryllama is start the "Vote The Mullet for MVP" campaign next year for Dirk. Its a catchy phrase and would spread across America like wildfire. You could make shirts and everything.

http://www.promikatur.de/images/pics/dirk_nowitzki.jpg

His popularity would increase threefold!

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 12:59 PM
The MVP vote is not a popularity contest, it is a vote for who is the best player in the NBA. Dirk is no where in the vincinity of being the best player in the NBA. He is a solid all-star reserve.

That's funny.

The all-star voting is even more of a popularity contest!

If shoe commercials and ESPiN highlights make the player, then Dirk is one of the worst players ever to lead their team to 6 consecutive 50+ win seasons.

The MVP is also a popularity contest. If you dont understand how certain players who dont get the media attention that others do can be slighted in that situation, then it's not even worth us having this conversation.

Dirk Nowitzki is the BEST power forward in the NBA for the second consecutive season. He'll be an all-NBA first teamer for the second year in a row. That makes him one of the top 5 players in the world, and much better than an "all-star reserve". You are truly a goober. Stick to the schtick.

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 01:00 PM
The MVP vote is not a popularity contest, it is a vote for who is the best player in the NBA. Dirk is no where in the vincinity of being the best player in the NBA. He is a solid all-star reserve.

Light fuse, step away and wait for a very angryllama.:poke:

Clockwork Orange
04-25-2006, 01:07 PM
Oh yeah, congrats to Avery (or as he says it Ay-Vuh-Ree :)) on a job well done and a deserved honor. It's always nice to see good things happen to a good person.

GonzoLays
04-25-2006, 01:11 PM
That's funny.

The all-star voting is even more of a popularity contest!

If shoe commercials and ESPiN highlights make the player, then Dirk is one of the worst players ever to lead their team to 6 consecutive 50+ win seasons.

The MVP is also a popularity contest. If you dont understand how certain players who dont get the media attention that others do can be slighted in that situation, then it's not even worth us having this conversation.

Dirk Nowitzki is the BEST power forward in the NBA for the second consecutive season. He'll be an all-NBA first teamer for the second year in a row. That makes him one of the top 5 players in the world, and much better than an "all-star reserve". You are truly a goober. Stick to the schtick.

What has Dirk done in the playoffs? A first round exit, some second round exits, and one conference finals. Those are some pretty bad numbers for a "great" player such as Dirk. Sadly, he is unable to step up his game in the playoffs and carry his team to ATLEAST an NBA Final. Dirk can't have playoff series like he had against Phoenix last year and expect to be a viable MVP canidate the next. When you are exposed for being a 7 foot jump shooter against a terrible defensive team that leaves a bad taste in voters mouths.

And Dirk Nowitski the BEST power forward in the game? Please, he isn't even the best power foward in Texas.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 01:12 PM
Oh yeah, congrats to Avery (or as he says it Ay-Vuh-Ree :)) on a job well done and a deserved honor. It's always nice to see good things happen to a good person.

Yeah, he's a good dude. I saw an interview with him yesterday where someone asked him if he was excited that the playoffs were here. He responded by saying that he was glad that the Mavs and Dallas Stars are still playing in the arena because it allows more opportunities for their vendors (hot dogs, ice cream, etc) to make money.

His aide after Katrina is legendary in Houston. He's a great example of what a leader should be like. Someone that succeeds for everybody. People will trust him and follow him. He's done the same with Mavs players this season.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 01:33 PM
What has Dirk done in the playoffs? A first round exit, some second round exits, and one conference finals

Dirk was drafted in 1998. Dallas has made the playoffs every year since his second season. Dallas has been eliminated in rd.1 once, rd.2 3 times, and the Conference Finals once (Dirk got injured in game 3). Dallas has never lost a series to a lower seeded team.

Im sure that Minnesota fans would love to claim that about Garnett. I'm sure that Houston fans would love to claim that about McGrady. Same goes for Cleveland fans (James), Miami fans (Wade), Philly fans (Iverson), Boston fans (Pierce), etc.

Sadly, he is unable to step up his game in the playoffs and carry his team to ATLEAST an NBA Final.
Yep. Garnett sucked in his prime.

Dirk can't have playoff series like he had against Phoenix last year and expect to be a viable MVP canidate the next.

Dirk exceeded his regular season averages against PHX, averaging 27 points and 11.5 rebounds against Phoenix. Check your facts. Dallas lost that series when Terry allowed Nash a wide open three in game 6. Dirk played great in that series...even winning game 2 on a last second shot to beat PHX in PHX.


When you are exposed for being a 7 foot jump shooter against a terrible defensive team that leaves a bad taste in voters mouths.

A conclusion based on poor research and inadequate information. You are one of the most consistently undereducated posters on the board.

ro_50
04-25-2006, 01:39 PM
while poppovich is a larry brown disciple.

To bad Popovich is a better coach than Larry Brown and is more stable in his job than Larry Brown is, who becomes unstable at every stop.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 01:44 PM
To bad Popovich is a better coach than Larry Brown and is more stable in his job than Larry Brown is, who becomes unstable at every stop.

Brown might have rubbed off a little on Pop, but Pop is his own coach. Pop is a much better coach than Larry Brown could dream to be.

yavoon
04-25-2006, 01:54 PM
To bad Popovich is a better coach than Larry Brown and is more stable in his job than Larry Brown is, who becomes unstable at every stop.

meh larry is down now and popp is up. lots of ppl could have won with the roster the spurs had and to be honest there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.

popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.

ro_50
04-25-2006, 01:58 PM
meh larry is down now and popp is up. lots of ppl could have won with the roster the spurs had and to be honest there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.

popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.

There is always room for criticism for every coach, but yavoon, are you braindead of what, mentioning the Pistons defeated the Lakers in '04, who the hell DID THE SPURS BEAT IN LAST YEAR'S FINALS, THE PISTONS.

And those Lakers teams from 2000-02 were great, it would have taken a great team to defeat them. The Spurs lost some close games in 2002 to them,even though the Series went 5 games and in 2004, Derek Fisher's shot catapulted them into the WCF and then to the NBA Finals.

And YAVOON, THE SPURS DID DEFEAT THE LAKERS W/ KOBE AND SHAQ IN 1999 AND 2003, THEY ENDED THEIR CHANCE FOR A FOUR-PEAT.

Your argument is laughable and pathetic. Spurs are playing to its personal now, like they did in the early TDs years when they had an old Admiral, and veterans.

This team likes to get up and down and will play uptempo when the other teams play that way.

Look at last year's WCF against the Suns for proof.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 02:02 PM
meh larry is down now and popp is up.

Pop has been "up" since he's been a head coach.

there might be room for criticism of why they couldn't get by the lakers at anytime shaq was there. even the year detroit annhilated the lakers.

San Antonio did knock off Shaq's Lakers. In 02-03 and 98-99.

popp teaches solid defense but at times his offensive scheme is uninspired and really is just the sum of ginobili/parker/duncan's 1on1 ability + floor spacing. interestingly thats also what avery does, and lucky for both of them they have an abundance of 1on1 talent.

Ever wonder why they use an offensive scheme that maximizes their strengths?

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:03 PM
There is always room for criticism for every coach, but yavoon, are you braindead of what, mentioning the Pistons defeated the Lakers in '04, who the hell DID THE SPURS BEAT IN LAST YEAR'S FINALS, THE PISTONS.

And those Lakers teams from 2000-02 were great, it would have taken a great team to defeat them. The Spurs lost some close games in 2002 to them,even though the Series went 5 games and in 2004, Derek Fisher's shot catapulted them into the WCF and then to the NBA Finals.

And YAVOON, THE SPURS DID DEFEAT THE LAKERS W/ PHIL JACKSON, KOBE AND SHAQ IN 1999 AND 2003, THEY ENDED THEIR CHANCE FOR A FOUR-PEAT.

Your argument is laughable and pathetic. Spurs are playing to its personal now, like they did in the early TDs years when they had an old Admiral, and veterans.

This team likes to get up and down and will play uptempo when the other teams play that way.

Look at last year's WCF against the Suns for proof.

this isnt a beats b, b beats c, c beats a logic here, this is criticism of poppovich folding like a paper towel to the lakers.

and honestly why so mad? so I dont think popp is as amazing as other ppl? does that require all those caps? so I think poppovich's offense is uninspired? I think there's a very good case for that.

poppovich teaches solid fundamental basketball that centers around good defense, but he's also had a ton of talent. IMO popp is somewhere in the top 5 coaches currently coaching but definitely not as good as phil jackson.

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 02:05 PM
Looks like Gonzo and Yavoon have baited their hooks, dropped their lines and have hooked a couple of suckers.

They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?

RhymesayersDU
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?
Hey, I still believe the Nuggets will be in the 2nd round of the playoffs and that Kenyon Martin will get healthy in the offseason, so anything's possible. ;)

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:07 PM
Pop has been "up" since he's been a head coach.



San Antonio did knock off Shaq's Lakers. In 02-03 and 98-99.



Ever wonder why they use an offensive scheme that maximizes their strengths?

I dont think poppovich's offensive scheme maximizes anyone's strengths. I think its just a solid system that they are capable of executing because of their offensive talent. thats all.

as for him being up since he became head coach he's had one year w/o tim duncan. the year david robinson was injured and they stunk to high heaven. he gets two great big men and he's good again, he has the best player in basketball and he wins. but lots of coaches can do that.

ro_50
04-25-2006, 02:08 PM
this isnt a beats b, b beats c, c beats a logic here, this is criticism of poppovich folding like a paper towel to the lakers.

and honestly why so mad? so I dont think popp is as amazing as other ppl? does that require all those caps? so I think poppovich's offense is uninspired? I think there's a very good case for that.

poppovich teaches solid fundamental basketball that centers around good defense, but he's also had a ton of talent. IMO popp is somewhere in the top 5 coaches currently coaching but definitely not as good as phil jackson.


I never said he was as good as Phil Jackson or even Pat Riley. So does that mean Phil Jackson folded like a paper towel when the Spurs defeated them in 2003?

Pop is a damn good coach who has been able to treat every player with the same type of respect.

He's get onto Tim Duncan as much as he does Fabrico Oberto or Beno. Pop also has innovated his offense more than his early days.

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 02:08 PM
Hey, I still believe the Nuggets will be in the 2nd round of the playoffs and that Kenyon Martin will get healthy in the offseason, so anything's possible. ;)

Pass that **** over here man

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:08 PM
Looks like Gonzo and Yavoon have baited their hooks, dropped their lines and have hooked a couple of suckers.

They can't really believe all the crap they type....can they?

if I had typed last year that larry brown wasn't the messiah I would have been flamed just as hard, perhaps by different ppl but just as hard. u just have to expect this sort of thing.

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 02:11 PM
if I had typed last year that larry brown wasn't the messiah I would have been flamed just as hard, perhaps by different ppl but just as hard. u just have to expect this sort of thing.

You're the one being flamed, lol.

And yes, I do expect "this sort of thing" from you. It's usually just a matter of figuring out if it's going to be you or Gonzo that baits the hook first, and who will take it.

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:12 PM
I never said he was as good as Phil Jackson or even Pat Riley. So does tha mean Phil Jackson folded like a paper towel when the Spurs defeated them in 2003?

Pop is a damn good coach who has been able to treat every player with the same type of respect.

He's get onto Tim Duncan as much as he does Fabrico Oberto or Beno. Pop also has innovated his offense more than his early days.

pop has never played without a HOF center arguably the most valuable single player u can possibly have. infact he had two at one point. I'm just saying that the spurs success while admirable is due mostly to their talent than their coach and while its nice that pop is a good person and is winning with it it doesn't mean that he's as good as they say.

like I said, he teaches good fundamental basketball but is overall relatively uninnovative. when he has the talent he can probably beat u, and of course he's a nice person:).

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 02:13 PM
I dont think poppovich's offensive scheme maximizes anyone's strengths. I think its just a solid system that they are capable of executing because of their offensive talent. thats all.

You maximize the strengths of your players. You dont make it to the NBA if you cant manage that. You let your quick point guard beat his man. You let your post men seal defenders off. You let your two-guard draw fouls and shoot free throws. You dont institute the princeton offense and throw the ball around the perimeter. You play from the post out and let your players take advantage of the fact that your dominant post player will be doubled every time he gets it under the free throw line. That's combination play, and not just one on one.

he has the best player in basketball and he wins. but lots of coaches can do that.

Like...maybe...Phil Jackson?

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:13 PM
You're the one being flamed, lol.

And yes, I do expect "this sort of thing" from you. It's usually just a matter of figuring out if it's going to be you or Gonzo that baits the hook first, and who will take it.

why is it funny that I'm being flamed? like I said, had I said this about larry brown last year u'd be saying the same thing. some ppl can't look deeper, thats all.

GonzoLays
04-25-2006, 02:13 PM
Dirk was drafted in 1998. Dallas has made the playoffs every year since his second season. Dallas has been eliminated in rd.1 once, rd.2 3 times, and the Conference Finals once (Dirk got injured in game 3). Dallas has never lost a series to a lower seeded team.

Im sure that Minnesota fans would love to claim that about Garnett. I'm sure that Houston fans would love to claim that about McGrady. Same goes for Cleveland fans (James), Miami fans (Wade), Philly fans (Iverson), Boston fans (Pierce), etc.


Yep. Garnett sucked in his prime.



Dirk exceeded his regular season averages against PHX, averaging 27 points and 11.5 rebounds against Phoenix. Check your facts. Dallas lost that series when Terry allowed Nash a wide open three in game 6. Dirk played great in that series...even winning game 2 on a last second shot to beat PHX in PHX.




A conclusion based on poor research and inadequate information. You are one of the most consistently undereducated posters on the board.

What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct. He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 02:16 PM
What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct. He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.

How old are you, Gonzo?

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:16 PM
You maximize the strengths of your players. You dont make it to the NBA if you cant manage that. You let your quick point guard beat his man. You let your post men seal defenders off. You let your two-guard draw fouls and shoot free throws. You dont institute the princeton offense and throw the ball around the perimeter. You play from the post out and let your players take advantage of the fact that your dominant post player will be doubled every time he gets it under the free throw line. That's combination play, and not just one on one.



Like...maybe...Phil Jackson?

could popovich have taken kobe/shaq and made them get along? thats phil's secret really. popovich has always had great persons as his HOF talent in david robinson and tim duncan.

as for pop's offense, its still uninnovative. u can argue that because it works its maximizing talent but I dont believe that.

like I said, pop is top 5 currently coaching, he's just not the messiah as he's had a very good core around him the entire time.

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 02:16 PM
Ahem....

Post #181 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=40583&page=8&highlight=Avery+Johnson)

ro_50
04-25-2006, 02:18 PM
pop has never played without a HOF center arguably the most valuable single player u can possibly have. infact he had two at one point. I'm just saying that the spurs success while admirable is due mostly to their talent than their coach and while its nice that pop is a good person and is winning with it it doesn't mean that he's as good as they say.

like I said, he teaches good fundamental basketball but is overall relatively uninnovative. when he has the talent he can probably beat u, and of course he's a nice person:).

So I guess Phil Jackson isnt that good of a coach because he had Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe and now Kobe again.

Great players make great coaches, but its also due to the coaching they receive.

Boobs McGee
04-25-2006, 02:19 PM
What in the hell does Kevin Garnett have to do with Dirk's dismal playoff record? Dirk has had every opportunity to elevate his game to another level in the playoffs and guide his veteran laden teams to ATLEAST the NBA finals yet has fallen miserably short every year. Even when he played with the league MVP at point guard he got ousted in the first round.

I don't argue that Dirk Nowitzki is solid NBA player. His stats and ability to lead his team deep into the playoffs warrant his place among the second tier of superstars in this league.

Look at these numbers and tell me who should be the MVP:

1) 35.4 pts 5.3. rebs 4.5 assts 1.85 steals
2) 31.4 pts 7.0 rebs 6.6 assts 1.56 steals
3) 26.6 pts 9.0 rebs 2.8 assts 0.72 steals

Which statline does not belong among the three? If you guessed statline three you are correct. He is not in the same class of players as a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James. Not this year, not ever.

If you took Dirk off the Dallas Mavericks they would still win 50 games with the amount of frontline talent that is present on that team. You take Kobe or Lebron of their respective teams and they don't even make the playoffs.

You act as if it is some grave travesty that Dirk will not win the MVP this year when his stats are well below the other MVP candidates. Get over it. He is a solid player but not the MVP. Move on with your life.


That's actually a pretty cut and dry way of looking at it. NOT TO SAY that stats are the only deciding factor, but they are definitely the most prominent

Master___Pain
04-25-2006, 02:21 PM
why is it funny that I'm being flamed? like I said, had I said this about larry brown last year u'd be saying the same thing. some ppl can't look deeper, thats all.

You seriously think you are the being flamed? Hilarious!

You are a riot, a damn riot.

I am enjoying watching RO and Llama fall hook, line and sinker for the lines you and Gonzo are casting out http://media.scout.com/media/image/26/268303.gif

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:25 PM
So I guess Phil Jackson isnt that good of a coach because he had Scottie Pippen, Michael Jordan, Shaq, Kobe and now Kobe again.

Great players make great coaches, but its also due to the coaching they receive.

I agree great players make great coaches. and that to some degree is a criticism of phil jackson. but I think phil has given us a good resume not only of taking this lakers team pretty damn far for having nobodies but also for making great talents play together.

I think the following coaches could be approximately as successful with the spurs:
phil jackson
pat riley
scott skiles
rick carlisle
larry brown
nate mcmillan
flip saunders
rudy tomjonvich(though not now, health)
avery johnson
mike dunleavy

and actually I'd say phil jackson would probably be more successful.

thats about all I got for now.

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:26 PM
You seriously think you are the being flamed? Hilarious!

You are a riot, a damn riot.

I am enjoying watching RO and Llama fall hook, line and sinker for the lines you and Gonzo are casting out http://media.scout.com/media/image/26/268303.gif

whatever, weirdo.

GonzoLays
04-25-2006, 02:26 PM
The NBA has always been and will always be a players league. There is not enough strategy for it to be a coaches game.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 02:30 PM
could popovich have taken kobe/shaq and made them get along? thats phil's secret really. popovich has always had great persons as his HOF talent in david robinson and tim duncan.

as for pop's offense, its still uninnovative. u can argue that because it works its maximizing talent but I dont believe that.

like I said, pop is top 5 currently coaching, he's just not the messiah as he's had a very good core around him the entire time.


Phil Jackson is a good coach. I like Phil, but I dont think that he has anything on Pop. Have you ever considered that Pop might choose to draft/sign/play players with high character and discipline so that they will adhere to the system? Look at the list...Avery Johnson, Robinson, Duncan, Sean Elliot, Ginobili, Parker, Mohammed, Finley, traded Rodman away (as GM), Dominique Wilkins, Mario Elie, etc.

yavoon
04-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Phil Jackson is a good coach. I like Phil, but I dont think that he has anything on Pop. Have you ever considered that Pop might choose to draft/sign/play players with high character and discipline so that they will adhere to the system? Look at the list...Avery Johnson, Robinson, Duncan, Sean Elliot, Ginobili, Parker, Mohammed, Finley, traded Rodman away (as GM), Dominique Wilkins, Mario Elie, etc.

can't really put duncan/robinson on those lists, it was just fortunate they had high character because they were going #1 no matter what. and from there it trickles down. hey maybe if he had better talent management skills he could have kept or gotten some more talented players and won 6 like phil? phil used rodman and michael(who is pretty damn abrasive). maybe if pop had the ability to use those types of players well he'd be in phil's league.

epicSocialism4tw
04-25-2006, 02:42 PM
can't really put duncan/robinson on those lists, it was just fortunate they had high character because they were going #1 no matter what. and from there it trickles down. hey maybe if he had better talent management skills he could have kept or gotten some more talented players and won 6 like phil? phil used rodman and michael(who is pretty damn abrasive). maybe if pop had the ability to use those types of players well he'd be in phil's league.

Phil had the greatest and most self-dedicated/motivated player in NBA history. Pippen wasnt too shabby either. Grant/Rodman could play and they always had some decent role players.

Shaq is a dominant center, who came into his prime years while in LA.

Duncan is a dominant post player as well, and Pop has used late-round draft picks and free agent journeymen to fill in the gaps. He's got a pretty nice track record when it comes to personnel decisions.

ludo21
04-25-2006, 02:55 PM
So when will Nash be told he wins the MVP??

Congrats Avery, solid job.

ro_50
04-25-2006, 02:59 PM
So when will Nash be told he wins the MVP??

Congrats Avery, solid job.

I think it sometimes during the Conference Finals or the Second round, depending on how far the team advances.

In years past, like Steve Nash last year, the Admiral in 1995, they got it in the Western Conf Finals.

But I remember TD got his in 2002 and 2003 during the second round games.

So I guess its just a matter of timing and when the team plays a home playoff game.