Bush's approval ratings slide to new low

[W*GS]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush's approval ratings have sunk to a personal low, with only a third of Americans saying they approve of the way he is handling his job, a national poll released Monday said.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/24/bush.poll

[alkemical]

is that the same 1/3 that think saddam had a hand in 9/11?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

is that the same 1/3 that think saddam had a hand in 9/11?
Can't be anyone with close to average intelligence so it has to be those people.

[alkemical]

Can't be anyone with close to average intelligence so it has to be those people.


Sometimes fear can override logic.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

is that the same 1/3 that think saddam had a hand in 9/11?

You can bank on it.

The same 1/3 who think Iraq attacked us on 9/11, we found the WMD, the Iraqis greeted our troops with flowers, the oil revenues paid for the reconstruction, and Tom DeLay is a good Chrisitian.

[gunns]

is that the same 1/3 that think saddam had a hand in 9/11?

The 1/3 that are still trying to justify their vote.

[W*GS]

Sometimes fear can override logic.

Indeed. Yer average liberal is a breathing, walking, talking example.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Indeed. Yer average liberal is a breathing, walking, talking example.
LOL
Bush used "terror" fear to fool so called conservatives in the last election so yeah, it works well for the average right winger.

[W*GS]

Bush used "terror" fear to fool so called conservatives in the last election so yeah, it works well for the average right winger.

Liberals are continually frightened by the NRA, the return of coat-hanger abortions, people wealthier than they are, some Christians, non-liberal people of color, &c, &c. Basically, liberals are as vulnerable to scare tactics as conservatives.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

Apparently, the O'W*GS Factor was hoping that if he just went away for a little while and then started a thread like this one upon his return, people would forget that he had spent the better part of the past six years defending BushCo's every move.

It sure didn't take long for him to return to form, did it? :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e164/bobgeiger/bush_approval_drop_0406.gif

[W*GS]

Apparently, the O'W*GS Factor was hoping that if he just went away for a little while and then started a thread like this one upon his return, people would forget that he had spent the better part of the past six years defending BushCo's every move.

You've spent at least six years deliberately misrepresenting my political views.

It's clear that you can't debate politics honestly - you resort to deceit and outright lies.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The lipstick is off the pig...

Bush approval tanks in 2 major polls

WASHINGTON, May 2 (UPI) -- U.S. President George Bush's popular approval rating hit record lows in two polls published Tuesday, with data showing 33 or 34 percent support.

A CBS News poll of 719 voters nationwide conducted April 28-30 showed an all-time low of 33 percent approval. Some 58 percent said they actively disapprove of the president.

Bush also appears to be losing support in his own party, with his approval rating among Republicans falling to 68 percent in the poll, which had a 4-percentage point margin of error.

A USA Today/Gallup poll taken Friday through Sunday found Bush's approval rating at 34 percent, 2 points below his previous low.

The poll also showed Democrats leading 54 percent-39 percent among registered voters who were asked which party they would prefer in this November's congressional race.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060502-074130-8018r

[Old Dude]

Just keep in mind that some of the folks jumping the SS Bush are conservatives who don't think he's conservative enough. It's not like all of those people are going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly discover that they are democrats.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just keep in mind that some of the folks jumping the SS Bush are conservatives who don't think he's conservative enough. It's not like all of those people are going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly discover that they are democrats.

I doesn't take all of them...

The poll also showed Democrats leading 54 percent-39 percent among registered voters who were asked which party they would prefer in this November's congressional race.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.ph...2-074130-8018r

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Just keep in mind that some of the folks jumping the SS Bush are conservatives who don't think he's conservative enough.

It's interesting in that many of the people who don't think Dim is conservative enough are probably more in agreement nowadays with people who usually vote Democrat when it comes to some issues (e.g., fiscal responsibility, immigration, selling America to foreign investors, etc.) than the handful of people who still support Bush.

[Old Dude]

It's interesting in that many of the people who don't think Dim is conservative enough are probably more in agreement nowadays with people who usually vote Democrat when it comes to some issues (e.g., fiscal responsibility, immigration, selling America to foreign investors, etc.) than the handful of people who still support Bush.

True, but I imagine there will be a few Dems going over to the more hard line Republican side (or to a third party) on things like immigration.

[defenseman]

You've spent at least six years deliberately misrepresenting my political views.

It's clear that you can't debate politics honestly - you resort to deceit and outright lies.


this surprises you? Doesn't me. they have been doing it for a long time now, and continue to do so. Try to watch just one verbal discussion on the tube today and be amazed. I have never seen a group who will step on your words, misconstrue the truth and literally dance around a tough answer better than todays groups of the left. I think they all are trained from the same manual. Pretty sad.
the female hispanic teacher down in Tucson, AZ who basically said "republicans hate hispanics" to a high school assembly. Boy did she have her dancing shoes on Oreilly last nite. Never, and I mean never answered one question...dman

[Spider]

this surprises you? Doesn't me. they have been doing it for a long time now, and continue to do so. Try to watch just one verbal discussion on the tube today and be amazed. I have never seen a group who will step on your words, misconstrue the truth and literally dance around a tough answer better than todays groups of the left. I think they all are trained from the same manual. Pretty sad.
the female hispanic teacher down in Tucson, AZ who basically said "republicans hate hispanics" to a high school assembly. Boy did she have her dancing shoes on Oreilly last nite. Never, and I mean never answered one question...dman
and I suppose those on the right never do this ? I mean after they are done messing with kids that is

[alkemical]

and I suppose those on the right never do this ? I mean after they are done messing with kids that is


or getting $$$ and hookers from abramoff

[Spider]

7:00 am in the morning my time , took my rig down for a 3 axle alignment , this idiot on the CB said , if we go to war with Iran , we should be thankfull to have Bush in office , I asked what in the hell has Bush done right to make you think he wont screw up iran the way he did Iraq ? didnt get an answer ... maybe one of the few Bush supporters here can fill me in ...W*GS ?

[Spider]

or getting $$$ and hookers from abramoff
LOL .......No Shít

[defenseman]

Here you go, making my point. Apples and oranges tactics....you guys crack me up..........dman

[alkemical]

spider, did you see the new stories i posted in that abramoff thread, cia guy got payola.....

we cannot invade iran - if the world is pissed at us now - wait till there's an interruption in 20% of the worlds oil supply

[Spider]

Here you go, making my point. Apples and oranges tactics....you guys crack me up..........dman
so in other words only those on the left tap dance around issues ......

[Spider]

spider, did you see the new stories i posted in that abramoff thread, cia guy got payola.....

we cannot invade iran - if the world is pissed at us now - wait till there's an interruption in 20% of the worlds oil supply
no I didnt what thread ? I now at home have my high speed back

[alkemical]

Here you go, making my point. Apples and oranges tactics....you guys crack me up..........dman


really dman, i guess suing for the ability to say 'god hates f*gs' and other such goodies is any different than what the loonie left does?

i just had to throw in the hookers and cash from abramoff - everyone wants to ignore that it looks like it was and is bigger than what the news is reporting.

[defenseman]

Believe it or not, we'd have no problem going into Iran right now......however, I'm thinking, we'll have a better "exit" strategy this time around. Apparently Israel will have to shore up it's defenses before we start in Iran. That is of course unless we can off the Iranian leader before he gets the chance to "really" do some damage...dman

[Spider]

Believe it or not, we'd have no problem going into Iran right now......however, I'm thinking, we'll have a better "exit" strategy this time around. Apparently Israel will have to shore up it's defenses before we start in Iran. That is of course unless we can off the Iranian leader before he gets the chance to "really" do some damage...dman
going in with our military is never a problem , we can steam roll any country , it is the after math ie exit strategy we screw up , from Nam to Iraq , we never get that one right .........

[alkemical]

no I didnt what thread ? I now at home have my high speed back

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=40043

[Spider]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=40043
all the post were good , and you are right how deep does this go ? but this post http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=1097006&postcount=18
wow ......... I never thought it went that deep , but then all I have been hearing about is this illegal protest ........ keep these post comming ames ......I read when I can

[alkemical]

exactly spider -

distractions are easy to find in the news, news is hard to find.

[defenseman]

really dman, i guess suing for the ability to say 'god hates f*gs' and other such goodies is any different than what the loonie left does?

i just had to throw in the hookers and cash from abramoff - everyone wants to ignore that it looks like it was and is bigger than what the news is reporting.


You know, they are NOT the conservatives I have come to know. It is my distinct belief the the 'left' side of the spectrum is defined by the 'right' by the actions of a "minority radical leftists" making it bad for the entire LEFT. Same goes for the "right". A few nuts make it bad for all of us.
My point. Neither party is as far left or right as their counterpart believes. MOST americans do not understand, nor will they spend the time to do their homework on their chosen parties or their collective candidates. Herego, they are "blinded", self imposed I might add.
"throw in the hookers and cash", yeah, I was waiting for that one , or a couple of other zingers. Do some of the conservatives do this? Sure they do. However, it appears to me anyway, it is the "standard operating procedure" , SOP, for the democrats to operate in such a manner. Appears to be a pretty prevalant tactic for the entire democratic party, change the subject, muck it up as much as possible, and do your best to get the point across by whatever means necessary.
How about, "Answer the F**king question", and I'll go ahead and include some of the republicans that prescribe to the above tactics. Nothing I hate more than someone not only NOT willing to answer a simple question, BUT changing the answer or dancing around it, REALLY pisses me off. The arbitrary lying ON BOTH SIDES is got me fired up to the point I'm thinking a baseball bat to the noggin may be the only way to fix some of the members of both parties. I can tell you this , you ask me a question, you'll get an answer. Nobody may like it, but it's my answer , and I'm sticking to it...dman

*Consume some of "LABF"'s posts throughout the mane. A good example of why the LEFT extremists paint the entire "left" as very , very, very, liberal.

[alkemical]

You know, they are NOT the conservatives I have come to know. It is my distinct belief the the 'left' side of the spectrum is defined by the 'right' by the actions of a "minority radical leftists" making it bad for the entire LEFT. Same goes for the "right". A few nuts make it bad for all of us.
My point. Neither party is as far left or right as their counterpart believes. MOST americans do not understand, nor will they spend the time to do their homework on their chosen parties or their collective candidates. Herego, they are "blinded", self imposed I might add.
"throw in the hookers and cash", yeah, I was waiting for that one , or a couple of other zingers. Do some of the conservatives do this? Sure they do. However, it appears to me anyway, it is the "standard operating procedure" , SOP, for the democrats to operate in such a manner. Appears to be a pretty prevalant tactic for the entire democratic party, change the subject, muck it up as much as possible, and do your best to get the point across by whatever means necessary.
How about, "Answer the ****ing question", and I'll go ahead and include some of the republicans that prescribe to the above tactics. Nothing I hate more than someone not only NOT willing to answer a simple question, BUT changing the answer or dancing around it, REALLY pisses me off. The arbitrary lying ON BOTH SIDES is got me fired up to the point I'm thinking a baseball bat to the noggin may be the only way to fix some of the members of both parties. I can tell you this , you ask me a question, you'll get an answer. Nobody may like it, but it's my answer , and I'm sticking to it...dman

*Consume some of "LABF"'s posts throughout the mane. A good example of why the LEFT extremists paint the entire "left" as very , very, very, liberal.


* It is my distinct belief the the 'left' side of the spectrum is defined by the 'right' * - dman

Interesting comment Dman. This can be expounded upon even further in culture, etc - People define themselves by the extreme opposite of what they view themselves.


Look dman, i agree with your points and arguments, and i acutally think labf is a disinfo clone at times to actually drive people to be 'right'... (come on, it's me)

[defenseman]

Fair enough, amesj523....dman

[Spider]

* It is my distinct belief the the 'left' side of the spectrum is defined by the 'right' * - dman

Interesting comment Dman. This can be expounded upon even further in culture, etc - People define themselves by the extreme opposite of what they view themselves.


Look dman, i agree with your points and arguments, and i acutally think labf is a disinfo clone at times to actually drive people to be 'right'... (come on, it's me)
I agree alot with LABF , but my beliefs are through my life expiernces , I have been coast to coast , from Mexico to Canada , and damn near every point inbetween ,I have seen so many things that have had a direct impact on me ......

[W*GS]

I agree alot with LABF , but my beliefs are through my life expiernces , I have been coast to coast , from Mexico to Canada , and damn near every point inbetween ,I have seen so many things that have had a direct impact on me ......

In other words, if Spider ain't done seen it, it ain't done happened.

[Spider]

In other words, if Spider ain't done seen it, it ain't done happened.
I never seen you sleep with your sister , but there is little doubt that you have .........

[W*GS]

I never seen you sleep with your sister , but there is little doubt that you have .........

Ooooh, cut to the quick!

Incest jokes? C'mon!

[Spider]

Ooooh, cut to the quick!

Incest jokes? C'mon!
this comming from a guy that suggested me shooting myself in the head ? ....Cause I choose not to believe the goverment ....... maybe when LABF gets back we will have him give you another lesson ..... he schooled you on your high road on insults ......

[defenseman]

I never seen you sleep with your sister , but there is little doubt that you have .........

this is the "tactic" I discussed on this thread. Agree or disagree, make your point, support it with some semblance of a fact, and move on. No need to commence "dart" practice on someone unsuspecting BECAUSE, they disagree with your point of view. This is a "lame" tactic, and is discounted immediately and the source of the tactic is also considered discounted...dman

[Spider]

this is the "tactic" I discussed on this thread. Agree or disagree, make your point, support it with some semblance of a fact, and move on. No need to commence "dart" practice on someone unsuspecting BECAUSE, they disagree with your point of view. This is a "lame" tactic, and is discounted immediately and the source of the tactic is also considered discounted...dman
I see so him suggesting me shoot myself in the head is ok ,cause he happens to lean right ...now that Iknow the rules , may I post? ........... oh and please feel free to clue me in as why I give adamn what you think ....... thanks in advance

[W*GS]

this comming from a guy that suggested me shooting myself in the head ? ....Cause I choose not to believe the goverment .......

You're cute when you're angry - in a "Hee Haw" kind of way.

maybe when LABF gets back we will have him give you another lesson ..... he schooled you on your high road on insults ......

Running to Daddy to save you?

[Spider]

You're cute when you're angry - in a "Hee Haw" kind of way. LOL you think Iam angry ?



Running to Daddy to save you?
naw but it was funny ..Damn funny , you got up on your soap box started preaching then LABF pulls a cheney and gives a face shot ........ it was classic

[W*GS]

you think Iam angry ?

Your words belie you.

naw but it was funny ..Damn funny , you got up on your soap box started preaching then LABF pulls a cheney and gives a face shot ........ it was classic

Pity he didn't include his "contributions" to that particular mess.

But, he's incapable of being honest, so your adulation of a proven liar isn't something, if I were you, I'd advertise.

[Spider]

Your words belie you. goverment chart help you out with that one Ward ?



Pity he didn't include his "contributions" to that particular mess.

But, he's incapable of being honest, so your adulation of a proven liar isn't something, if I were you, I'd advertise.
LOL this comming from a guy that said I dint follow regulations, when I was pointing what was wrong with them . you sure do have a funny defeinition of liar

[defenseman]

The recommendation to "shoot one's self in the head" was not a good one, and I do not agree with it. That said, the need for you to "give a damn" about my take, well that's you decision. Not mine, I'm just commenting on the takes on the board presently. Should you decide to take any of my comments "on board", well have at it, if not, that's fine too. In any case, I'll continue to comment as I see fit given the scenario, who is or isn't making sense, OR cannot have a reasonable discussion without resorting to the undeniably illogical tactic of "demeaning" any said individual based on that individuals personal opinion. In short, have at it or not, makes absolutely no difference to me...dman

[W*GS]

goverment chart help you out with that one Ward ?

You're losing it...

LOL this comming from a guy that said I dint follow regulations, when I was pointing what was wrong with them . you sure do have a funny defeinition of liar

Yep, you're gone.

Bye-bye.

[Spider]

The recommendation to "shoot one's self in the head" was not a good one, and I do not agree with it. Just didnt see the need to comment on it like you do to me and LABF ........got it ....Right does it ... mmmmmmm ......Left does it Bad very bad ....... good to have the ground rules


That said, the need for you to "give a damn" about my take, well that's you decision. Not mine, I'm just commenting on the takes on the board to the left ... in your mind we should be good eating granola eaters and take it in stride ..........


presently. Should you decide to take any of my comments "on board", well have at it, if not, that's fine too. In any case, I'll continue to comment as I see fit given the scenario,
and so will I , and as everyone will tell you , I realy dont give a damn , wont hold anything back ......... if you dont like it , ignore me .......

who is or isn't making sense, OR cannot have a reasonable discussion without resorting to the undeniably illogical tactic of "demeaning" any said individual based on that individuals personal opinion. In short, have at it or not, makes absolutely no difference to me...dman
makes no difference to you , yet you felt the need to comment on it ........ok

[defenseman]

Just comments in passing, feel free to respond if you feel the need. Is it me or are you "echoing" LABF's tactic wrt replying to comments on the board?...dman

[Spider]

Just comments in passing, feel free to respond if you feel the need. Is it me or are you "echoing" LABF's tactic wrt replying to comments on the board?...dman
oh I tried not to quote , but people used to change thier post ....... and frankly I dont give a damn how it looks ........ I do my thing , like it or not ........ but then maybe the political forum is to rough for you ..... maybe you dont have what it takesto hang down here , cause frankly , insults fly from both sides , some of it real harsh ................

[defenseman]

I can hang just fine. I try not to resort to some of the tactics used on the board occassionally. Definitely makes no sense when you try to catch bees with vinegar if you know what I mean...dman

*I've been in the Navy for the last 28 yrs, talking about hanging. You haven't seen hanging till you've seen some of the stuff I've had to put up with over that period of time. The fact that I really enjoyed submarines though, trumped nearly all the crap we put up with.

[Spider]

I can hang just fine. I try not to resort to some of the tactics used on the board occassionally. Definitely makes no sense when you try to catch bees with vinegar if you know what I mean...dman

*I've been in the Navy for the last 28 yrs, talking about hanging. You haven't seen hanging till you've seen some of the stuff I've had to put up with over that period of time. The fact that I really enjoyed submarines though, trumped nearly all the crap we put up with.
;D buddy of mine tried to become a S.E.A.L. he was a bad áss but he failed , he couldnt handle the sub duty , like me he hates closed in places ... he wound up becomming a CeeBee , or confused bastard( as I used to call him ;D ) , but you are right although he would tell me all about it , I never lived it ,he used to say , Spider , you would be in jail for murder cause you would have killed the XO by now ........But as for the other stuff , I think you do a bad thing when you lie or compramise your beliefs so you dont hurt someones feelings ...... With me you know wherte you stand , I wont come as a smiling face then stab you in the back ......

[defenseman]

That, Spider, is a good character trait, not a bad one. Many among the US population has "adopted" the other, all to get ahead for what ever reason. This is indicative of the slow but sure "moral" decay of today's society. I'm thinking , a sucessful candidate "could maybe" in today's political arena, get elected on the "just be honest" platform. About issues, answers and the direction our country is headed. Then again, given todays political tactics, he could end up in jail or dead too. Really sad if you think about it....dman

*That , "stab in the back" mentality, starts right with our own government and our elected representatives "promote" this as acceptable behavior. It's time to repair the fabric that our society "should" be made of...

[Spider]

That, Spider, is a good character trait, not a bad one. Many among the US population has "adopted" the other, all to get ahead for what ever reason. This is indicative of the slow but sure "moral" decay of today's society. I'm thinking , a sucessful candidate "could maybe" in today's political arena, get elected on the "just be honest" platform. About issues, answers and the direction our country is headed. Then again, given todays political tactics, he could end up in jail or dead too. Really sad if you think about it....dman

*That , "stab in the back" mentality, starts right with our own government and our elected representatives "promote" this as acceptable behavior. It's time to repair the fabric that our society "should" be made of...
I agree I hate to vote down the party line , it does no good for my country .. right or left , I wish someone would be honest ............. I will always put my country first ... if that means voting republican i wont think twice ....

[defenseman]

Roger that spide, I'll never be voting a "straight" ticket, ever....there is good on both sides of the fence, time to drop the fence and get them working for us in the right direction...dman

[Spider]

Roger that spide, I'll never be voting a "straight" ticket, ever....there is good on both sides of the fence, time to drop the fence and get them working for us in the right direction...dman
well said .......... Love to see more centrist ...... for example private sector welfare . tjhe one on the left says we need it , the one on the right says no we dont , the centrist stands up andsays how about work fare , anyone that has a child school age has to go to work for the city for thier check ........ as for injuries they are already covered medicaly by the city as it is now ........ lets get some production .........

[Spider]

and the people on workfare would feel better about themselfs, see what a Job means and try to improve themselfs ........

[defenseman]

We've got to get back to the "earn your paycheck" mentality. I agree. It's amazing, to me anyway, how many college graduates come fresh out of college saying: where's my office?, new BMW?, and of course my 100K starting salary?........f**king amazing. the reality of it is, we are going to need to make more engineers and scientists. And, we have to find a way to employ the "unemployable". I'm sure there is a way, your take on the welfare issue is deep routed, parents of these kids "teach and train" them to act the way they do. It is simply amazing. I will say, in theory, your take is a good one. One way or another, productivity from those who get "handouts" for whatever reason, is essential...dman

*college, is slowly losing it's lustre in todays society. Partially due to the "money making" tactics colleges use. Also, the incessant need for extraneous "classes" of non discript origin. And, of course, as para phrased well by my son, the extremists professors who force feed you their ideology. He was graded down in three or four of his classes because he is not far left. Really pissed him off, however, one of lifes valuable lessons, "sometimes, it just ain't fair out there"..dman

[Spider]

We've got to get back to the "earn your paycheck" mentality. I agree. It's amazing, to me anyway, how many college graduates come fresh out of college saying: where's my office?, new BMW?, and of course my 100K starting salary?........****ing amazing. the reality of it is, we are going to need to make more engineers and scientists. And, we have to find a way to employ the "unemployable". I'm sure there is a way, your take on the welfare issue is deep routed, parents of these kids "teach and train" them to act the way they do. It is simply amazing. I will say, in theory, your take is a good one. One way or another, productivity from those who get "handouts" for whatever reason, is essential...dman

*college, is slowly losing it's lustre in todays society. Partially due to the "money making" tactics colleges use. Also, the incessant need for extraneous "classes" of non discript origin. And, of course, as para phrased well by my son, the extremists professors who force feed you their ideology. He was graded down in three or four of his classes because he is not far left. Really pissed him off, however, one of lifes valuable lessons, "sometimes, it just ain't fair out there"..dman

;D i couldnt agree more ....... ithink the only difference is i lean left , you lean right

[defenseman]

Seems to me, we appear a bit left of left AND Right of right, perhaps center? Thats where I am, I'm left on some issues and right on others, overall moderate conservative is probably where I fall out...dman

[Spider]

Seems to me, we appear a bit left of left AND Right of right, perhaps center? Thats where I am, I'm left on some issues and right on others, overall moderate conservative is probably where I fall out...dman
I think alot of Americans are in this boat .......... but 28 years in the service .... impressive ....

[defenseman]

It goes by fast, when you are enjoying your work, "boats" are a real hoot. Do stuff T. Clancy can only dream about.....I'm lucky though, my wife put up with my "clear and present" danger crap for years, most would not have, I'll gaurantee you that...dman

[Spider]

It goes by fast, when you are enjoying your work, "boats" are a real hoot. Do stuff T. Clancy can only dream about.....I'm lucky though, my wife put up with my "clear and present" danger crap for years, most would not have, I'll gaurantee you that...dman
;D we would be lost without the women we love ....... I wonder why my wife puts up with me driving all over gone weeks at a time ........

[defenseman]

I hear ya......my wife LOVES to drive. I think when I'm "no s**t" retired, I'm going to have to get a vehicle that gets really, I mean REALLY, good gas mileage and is roomy enough for two for the road. We plan on doing alot of traveling around the good ole US of A and seeing what there is to see. We do enjoy our "road" trips...dman

[Spider]

I hear ya......my wife LOVES to drive. I think when I'm "no s**t" retired, I'm going to have to get a vehicle that gets really, I mean REALLY, good gas mileage and is roomy enough for two for the road. We plan on doing alot of traveling around the good ole US of A and seeing what there is to see. We do enjoy our "road" trips...dmanman and there is plenty to see in this great nation ......Americana is alive and well , you see it in the small towns .....

[bendog]

Yeah, whatever happened to 20 and out and over to the postal service? (joking)

[defenseman]

I think if my wife could drive an 18 wheeler for a living, she would. She'll have to settle for architecture. A bit more mundane, thats for sure...dman

[defenseman]

Bendog, the nice thing about my retirement is it's about 30 years vice twenty. I really won't have to work unless I feel like it, (but I will, firm believer in working at something anyway)..however, still going to travel alot thats for damn sure...dman

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You've spent at least six years deliberately misrepresenting my political views.

It's clear that you can't debate politics honestly - you resort to deceit and outright lies.

:bs:

You've spent the better part of the past six years defending almost every move Bush has made while denying you're a Bush supporter.

Numerous forum members have pointed this out to you on numerous occasions - yet you persist in your denial and intellectual dishonesty. tsk tsk

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Why impeachment is essential

Say it and you're told it won't happen.

There's a conscious rage and an unconscious self-defeating deference to the absoluteness of the power that caused the rage. Whether we know it or not we are devastated by that realization.

Impeachment: Impossible - stop thinking about it. Translated: We don't matter. They know it and we know it. The "leaders" that perhaps, and in not a few minds, most likely, rigged two national elections, quite possibly allowed 9/11, definitely invaded Iraq and lied to do so, depleted the US treasury - or more specifically, redistributed the treasury to internal, private and corporate allies, sanctioned torture and domestic spying - those people can never be impeached or even investigated.

If we felt we owned the house, we'd say get out. But we don't feel we own the house. We are reduced to squatters, who will grumble and pay fees for the plot of land allowed us, but we know now the land isn't ours. We know the government and its treasury isn't ours. So when someone says impeach - ie. evict - the response, even from the people who say it, is - not gonna happen.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0502-28.htm

[Atlas]

Why impeachment is essential

Say it and you're told it won't happen.

There's a conscious rage and an unconscious self-defeating deference to the absoluteness of the power that caused the rage. Whether we know it or not we are devastated by that realization.

Impeachment: Impossible - stop thinking about it. Translated: We don't matter. They know it and we know it. The "leaders" that perhaps, and in not a few minds, most likely, rigged two national elections, quite possibly allowed 9/11, definitely invaded Iraq and lied to do so, depleted the US treasury - or more specifically, redistributed the treasury to internal, private and corporate allies, sanctioned torture and domestic spying - those people can never be impeached or even investigated.

If we felt we owned the house, we'd say get out. But we don't feel we own the house. We are reduced to squatters, who will grumble and pay fees for the plot of land allowed us, but we know now the land isn't ours. We know the government and its treasury isn't ours. So when someone says impeach - ie. evict - the response, even from the people who say it, is - not gonna happen.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0502-28.htm

The Dems need to take back control of the House and Senate this fall!!!!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The Dems need to take back control of the House and Senate this fall!!!!

Barring any typical rethug electoral shenanigans, the Dems should be able to accomplish this with both figurative hands tied behind their backs - even without a clear plan.

The next step would be to act a.s.a.p. to remove Cheney and then the frat boy.

[SactownOrangeSunday]

It's interesting in that many of the people who don't think Dim is conservative enough are probably more in agreement nowadays with people who usually vote Democrat when it comes to some issues (e.g., fiscal responsibility, immigration, selling America to foreign investors, etc.) than the handful of people who still support Bush.

Its a known fact that vocal minorities always appear stronger than a passive majority. Thats what these polls are, if you have a beef you speak up. By the way look at the conductors of the poll in question did you know the president of the company is a leading contributer to the Democratic National Party, hmmmm wonder what kind of people they are calling in such a "random" sample. Maybe they are using the Democratic Party list as their polling sample.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

By the way look at the conductors of the poll in question did you know the president of the company is a leading contributer to the Democratic National Party, hmmmm wonder what kind of people they are calling in such a "random" sample. Maybe they are using the Democratic Party list as their polling sample.

Riiiiiiiiight.

That would explain why the results are the same as the results of every other poll in the country (including Fox News.)

The attempts to spin Bush's plummeting popularity (and to point fingers at anyone but Bush and the repubs themselves) just keep getting weaker by the minute.

[defenseman]

I am interesting in making the country better. Not worse. The DEMS and REPUBS playing tennis while working in the House and the Senate WILL NOT SOLVE ANYTHING. Both parties have major overhauls required, and some "new" blood injected who "no-kidding" would vote and act for the good of the country. You folks here "believing" that the DEMS taking over the house and senate will "solve" the problems. They'll just bring a new set of problems to the forefront given their present mantra. ANYONE believing, and I mean ANYONE even considering a straight ticket vote of either side of the house is an unadulterated fool. Thats the donkeys or the elephants. It appears to me, many of the masses in this country is sick and tired of both (I know I am) and I will, absolutely support the candidate who is trying to make things better for us all. However, unfortunately there are STILL those who think only republicans and only democrats can make the country better. It's a sad day when we hitch our horse to a wagon headed over the cliff. We need a new wagon, and the wagon needs to be laced with solidarity for making things better in the country, and get us headed in the right direction. The DEMS alone CANNOT do this, neither can the REPUBLICANS. the sooner we figure this out, actually the sooner the politicians figure this out, the better off we'll all be............DO NOT VOTE STRAIGHT TICKET OUT OF SPITE....do that , and you are letting the entire country down, let alone yourself..dman

[Spider]

i will vote for more centrist canidates , I will even go as far as not voting if we cant come up with any ......... And I see voting as a duty and a privilage ......

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Bush's Job Approval In Historical Perspective

Gallup has a terrible new poll for Bush: 31% approve, 65% disapprove. Since the main benefit of the Gallup poll are its trendlines stretching back more than sixty years, here are some facts about this poll in historical perspective: A net approval of -34 is worse than the low suffered by either Jimmy Carter (-31) or Bush's father (-31). Only Truman and Nixon ever fared worse. (click for more on this)

Since 1950, this is the lowest job approval for a President facing midterm elections by more than ten points.

This is the first poll showing Bush's disapproval to be more than twice the size of his approval.

This is the lowest approval rating for Bush in any public survey since the start of his term.

A disapproval of 65% ties for the second highest ever recorded. The highest ever recorded was just one point higher, 66%, for Richard Nixon in August of 1974, about one week before he resigned. It is now reasonable to start talking about Bush in the 20's, and Bush breaking the all-time record for job disapproval.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2006/5/8/163651/1802

http://www.bartcopnation.com/dc/user_files/12391.jpg

[W*GS]

You've spent the better part of the past six years defending almost every move Bush has made while denying you're a Bush supporter.

Wrong. What I've done is counter your evil ideology. That your political views are so simplistic (as I've shown time and again) that you proclaim that I thus support Bush is your problem, not mine. You're a perfect example of the fallacy of the excluded middle - which you rightly decry when Bush uses it ("You're either for us, or with the terrorists") but which you palm off again and again ("You either agree with me, or you're a Bush supporter").

Numerous forum members have pointed this out to you on numerous occasions - yet you persist in your denial and intellectual dishonesty.

When I need lessons in being intellectually dishonest, I'll ask you, since that's your forte.

[Spider]

Bush is what now 29% ?