This draft class is weaker than last years...

[GonzoLays]

In 2005 CNNSI gave a 167 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.

This year they only gave 144 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.

A grade of 3.45 or higher projects the player to be a "future starter to a franchise player."

The great thing about CNNSI is that they give their prospects a grade which can be compared to other draft classes. When they give Braylon Edwards a grade of 4.64 last year at wide receiver, you can compare him to Chad Jackson who got a grade of 4.34 and determine that Edwards, had he come out this year, would have been rated higher than Jackson.

So to recap:

2005 prospects projected to be a future starter/franchise player 167
2006 prospects projected to be a future starter/franchise player 144

Which draft was deeper? :giggle:

[ludo21]

Since when was the media, especially a news outlet, ever right?

[watermock]

God your a fool.

I will be waiting for SI's next analysis.

[GonzoLays]

God your a fool.

I will be waiting for SI's next analysis.

Wasn't last years draft class considered weak? But low and behold that "weak" class had more prospects than this deeeeeeeep class. What gives?

[Crushaholic]

While GonzoLays IS a fool, he's also right...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9392823

Good catches few and far between this draft class
April 24, 2006
By Pete Prisco

At the NFL scouting combine in February, Ohio State receiver Santonio Holmes admitted he gave up his senior season to enter this year's draft because he knew the receiver class wasn't considered a strong one.

Is Holmes a scout? He certainly has a good eye, or should we say, good feel for the landscape.


In a dry year for WRs, Holmes seperated himself from the pack. (Getty Images)
If he were a scout, he'd probably be crying the same lament that many other scouts and personnel directors are crying about the receiver position in this year's draft:

Where the heck are they?

"They all went the past two years," said one AFC scout. "That's where they are. A lot of guys came out early the past couple of years and they would be in this draft. You look at what happened in the past two drafts, you'll see where they are."

In 2004, seven receivers went in the first round. In 2005, there were six.

This year, there might be two, maybe three.

Holmes and Florida's Chad Jackson, who electrified the scouts at the combine with his 4.34 in the 40, are vying to be the top receiver in the draft.

Neither will be a top 10 pick, which means there won't be a receiver taken that high for the first time since 2002, unless, of course, Matt Millen finds somebody he likes enough to make it four years in a row for the Lions taking a receiver in the first 10 picks.

Nobody's that stupid? Are they?

"If you're looking for receivers, this isn't the draft," said an AFC offensive coordinator. "There are a couple of guys who are first-round guys, but even they have flaws that are being brought out. The Holmes kid is small. The Jackson kid doesn't run good routes. There won't be a run on receivers, that's for sure."

It used to be that scouts said receivers were a dime a dozen. They were everywhere, which meant taking them in the first round wasn't a worthy risk. But with more and more teams going to the spread offense, it puts more receivers on the field on early downs, which means the position is once again at a premium. That meant more receivers going higher than they once did.

You don't need just a No. 1 and No. 2 receiver anymore. You need a one, two, three and even a four.

[GonzoLays]

Since when was the media, especially a news outlet, ever right?

Okay what makes you believe that this draft class is as deep as you think it is?

[GonzoLays]

While GonzoLays IS a fool, he's also right...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9392823



But to believe the resident "experts" such as Hercules Rockefeller you would would think this is the deepest draft in twenty years.

[Old Dude]

The WRs look very weak in this year's draft, but the TEs look pretty good.

[ColoradoBuff]

Okay what makes you believe that this draft class is as deep as you think it is?

Because last year's 1st pick, Alex Smith might not even have been picked in the Top 20 this year......let alone the 1st round. That is how deep this year's draft is!

[Mediator12]

In 2005 CNNSI gave a 167 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.

This year they only gave 144 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.

A grade of 3.45 or higher projects the player to be a "future starter to a franchise player."

The great thing about CNNSI is that they give their prospects a grade which can be compared to other draft classes. When they give Braylon Edwards a grade of 4.64 last year at wide receiver, you can compare him to Chad Jackson who got a grade of 4.34 and determine that Edwards, had he come out this year, would have been rated higher than Jackson.

So to recap:

2005 prospects projected to be a future starter/franchise player 167
2006 prospects projected to be a future starter/franchise player 144

Which draft was deeper? :giggle:


:rofl:

A media outlet with NO scouting dept projected 167 players as potential future starters ??? Those numbers make guys into the fifth round potential starters LOL

Now I understand where you are coming from. PFW had 31 players rated 6.00 or better in last years draft and this year they have 38. They have 100 even in 2006 as possible starters due to a large declaring junior class. Last year they had 84 at that grade.

BTW, PFW has a fulltime scouting dept and is the only media outlet to do so. I hope and pray that you are not using Don Banks and peter King's "analysis opinion" to try and prove your points.

[Requiem]

Crap. Broken record Gonzo. Keep getting fatter.

[GonzoLays]

Because last year's 1st pick, Alex Smith might not even have been picked in the Top 20 this year......let alone the 1st round. That is how deep this year's draft is!

HA! Alex Smith has the exact same draft grade as Vince Young. 4.41

If Alex Smith wouldn't be drafted in the TOP 20 this year than neither would Vince Young.

[Willynowei]

*sighs*...

[Florida_Bronco]

Because last year's 1st pick, Alex Smith might not even have been picked in the Top 20 this year......let alone the 1st round. That is how deep this year's draft is!

That's at the QB position though, which last year's class was very sad.

[Ratboy]

WR is weaker, but other positions make up for it. :\

[watermock]

I'm still waiting to agree with Gonzo. on anything.

The WR class is weak and so is the LB class. So what.

[ColoradoBuff]

HA! Alex Smith has the exact same draft grade as Vince Young. 4.41

If Alex Smith wouldn't be drafted in the TOP 20 this year than neither would Vince Young.


Damn you are dumb! Give me VY everyday of the week if I had to choose between the 2. Move along GONZO!

[GonzoLays]

:rofl:

A media outlet with NO scouting dept projected 167 players as potential future starters ??? Those numbers make guys into the fifth round potential starters LOL

Now I understand where you are coming from. PFW had 31 players rated 6.00 or better in last years draft and this year they have 38. They have 100 even in 2006 as possible starters due to a large declaring junior class. Last year they had 84 at that grade.

BTW, PFW has a fulltime scouting dept and is the only media outlet to do so. I hope and pray that you are not using Don Banks and peter King's "analysis opinion" to try and prove your points.

Hilarious!

Where did you get that CNNSI does not have a scouting department and PFW does? PFW is such a tard of rag that it has to link to ESPN for NFL NEWS!

And if you think Banks and Kings are the journalists that write up each of the 650 draft prospects for each draft and assign them grades then you are a baffoon.

[GonzoLays]

Damn you are dumb! Give me VY everyday of the week if I had to choose between the 2. Move along GONZO!

Thats fine and dandy that your "emotions" guide your decisions when choosing a player. But if you were to look at the situation objectively and use the resources available Alex Smith would rank no higher Vince Young. Young might be twice the athlete but is half the passer Smith is.

[Mediator12]

Hilarious!

Where did you get that CNNSI does not have a scouting department and PFW does? PFW is such a tard of rag that it has to link to ESPN for NFL NEWS!

And if you think Banks and Kings are the journalists that write up each of the 650 draft prospects for each draft and assign them grades then you are a baffoon.

Not Pro football talk. Pro football weekly. CNNSI does not have a scouting dept. They import their grades from who?

[GonzoLays]

Not Pro football talk. Pro football weekly. CNNSI does not have a scouting dept. They import their grades from who?

Who said anything about Pro Football Talk? And who does CNNSI import their grades from?

[Hotrod]

Wasn't last years draft class considered weak? But low and behold that "weak" class had more prospects than this deeeeeeeep class. What gives?

What gives is we all have more respect for bobsyouraunt then we have for you.

Mock nailed it your a tool of the highest order. What you need to do is learn how to think outside of the relm of Espin and the other hot wind news outlets.

Blah I've never put a Bronco fan on my Iggy list but I think its time to try something new. Good bye :wave:

[ColoradoBuff]

Thats fine and dandy that your "emotions" guide your decisions when choosing a player. But if you were to look at the situation objectively and use the resources available Alex Smith would rank no higher Vince Young. Young might be twice the athlete but is half the passer Smith is.


You are telling me that in this current draft, 2006 NFL Draft, that Alex Smith would rate out as good as Vince Young?? You are a JOKE! Pass over that Kool-Aid glass, I want some!:rofl: Alex Smith couldn't hold VY's jock! Give me a break.

[GonzoLays]

What gives is we all have more respect for bobsyouraunt then we have for you.

Mock nailed it your a tool of the highest order. What you need to do is learn how to think outside of the relm of Espin and the other hot wind news outlets.

Blah I've never put a Bronco fan on my Iggy list but I think its time to try something new. Good bye :wave:

You want some cheese with the whine? Go cry somebody else a river.

PS Stay away from those late night info commercials.

[Broncoman13]

Gonzo, I can't fault you for being wrong this time. It's a pretty common mis-conception about this year's and last year's draft. Last year's draft wasn't shy of depth...not by a long shot. In fact, if you recall several of us were more than happy to trade down b/c of the depth in rounds 2 and 3. This year's depth is also pretty good. I haven't compared it greatly, but I think that the depth in this year's draft is pretty much equal to last year's. But, you're missing the big picture. In last year's draft there wasn't a #1 choice, and honestly there wasn't a good choice for the top 5. Any one of Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, D'brickashaw Ferguson, or Mario Williams would have been a #1 in last year's draft. In fact, if you put all of those guys into last years draft I think you would have watched ALL of them go in the top 7 selections. If you believe that Alex Smith and Vince Young are equals at QB then who am I to argue? I'll laugh all day long at such a stupid claim though. I'm guessing that 32 of 32 GM's would look you straight in the eye and tell you, If I had the option of picking Alex Smith or Vince Young...I'm taking Young!

So anyhow, yes last years draft was filled with quality depth. Even into round 3 and 4 you could get pretty good players. This year, there is quality depth as well. When you're talking about guys like Rod Wright, Derek Hagan, and Jarious Norwood being available in rounds 3 or 4, well you have a pretty deep draft!

[GonzoLays]

You are telling me that in this current draft, 2006 NFL Draft, that Alex Smith would rate out as good as Vince Young?? You are a JOKE! Pass over that Kool-Aid glass, I want some!:rofl: Alex Smith couldn't hold VY's jock! Give me a break.

You act as if Vince Young is the number one rated QB in this draft? By all accounts he is the third highest rated QB and will be the third QB selected overall.

But let your hard on for Vince guide you through the night.

[ColoradoBuff]

Gonzo, I can't fault you for being wrong this time. It's a pretty common mis-conception about this year's and last year's draft. Last year's draft wasn't shy of depth...not by a long shot. In fact, if you recall several of us were more than happy to trade down b/c of the depth in rounds 2 and 3. This year's depth is also pretty good. I haven't compared it greatly, but I think that the depth in this year's draft is pretty much equal to last year's. But, you're missing the big picture. In last year's draft there wasn't a #1 choice, and honestly there wasn't a good choice for the top 5. Any one of Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, D'brickashaw Ferguson, or Mario Williams would have been a #1 in last year's draft. In fact, if you put all of those guys into last years draft I think you would have watched ALL of them go in the top 7 selections. If you believe that Alex Smith and Vince Young are equals at QB then who am I to argue? I'll laugh all day long at such a stupid claim though. I'm guessing that 32 of 32 GM's would look you straight in the eye and tell you, If I had the option of picking Alex Smith or Vince Young...I'm taking Young!

So anyhow, yes last years draft was filled with quality depth. Even into round 3 and 4 you could get pretty good players. This year, there is quality depth as well. When you're talking about guys like Rod Wright, Derek Hagan, and Jarious Norwood being available in rounds 3 or 4, well you have a pretty deep draft!


Amen, my brotha!:~ohyah!:

[ColoradoBuff]

You act as if Vince Young is the number one rated QB in this draft? By all accounts he is the third highest rated QB and will be the third QB selected overall.

But let your hard on for Vince guide you through the night.


And you know this how? What are ya, a freaking fortune teller? :rofl: I doubt he get's past Tennesee at 3. No way Cutler gets picked before VY! Where do you have Leinart and Cutler going? Go take a seat on the back of the short bus!LOL

[GonzoLays]

Gonzo, I can't fault you for being wrong this time. It's a pretty common mis-conception about this year's and last year's draft. Last year's draft wasn't shy of depth...not by a long shot. In fact, if you recall several of us were more than happy to trade down b/c of the depth in rounds 2 and 3. This year's depth is also pretty good. I haven't compared it greatly, but I think that the depth in this year's draft is pretty much equal to last year's. But, you're missing the big picture. In last year's draft there wasn't a #1 choice, and honestly there wasn't a good choice for the top 5. Any one of Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, D'brickashaw Ferguson, or Mario Williams would have been a #1 in last year's draft. In fact, if you put all of those guys into last years draft I think you would have watched ALL of them go in the top 7 selections. If you believe that Alex Smith and Vince Young are equals at QB then who am I to argue? I'll laugh all day long at such a stupid claim though. I'm guessing that 32 of 32 GM's would look you straight in the eye and tell you, If I had the option of picking Alex Smith or Vince Young...I'm taking Young!

So anyhow, yes last years draft was filled with quality depth. Even into round 3 and 4 you could get pretty good players. This year, there is quality depth as well. When you're talking about guys like Rod Wright, Derek Hagan, and Jarious Norwood being available in rounds 3 or 4, well you have a pretty deep draft!

See, here is a man who attempts to make sense. Yes, you can argue that the top 5 players in this draft would have went number one overall last year over Alex Smith but outside of the top five players in this draft last years draft actually had MORE DEPTH than this year's proclaimed DEEP DRAFT.

There are 15 or so guys in this years draft with top end talent like Bush through Bunkley. But last years draft also featured highly rated studs from Ronnie Brown through Derrick Johnson.

And the whole Alex Smith VS Vince Young debate is mindless because you are comparing apples to oranges here. If we really wanted to make sense of it we would go by the predraft grades given to each prospect which was exactly the same (4.41). The scouts did their work and rated them equally. Outside of that we are arguing over something that can only be proved over time.

[GonzoLays]

And you know this how? What are ya, a freaking fortune teller? :rofl: I doubt he get's past Tennesee at 3. No way Cutler gets picked before VY! Where do you have Leinart and Cutler going? Go take a seat on the back of the short bus!LOL

1 Reggie Bush USC RB 4.85
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia OT 4.74
3 Mario Williams NC State DE 4.72
4 A.J. Hawk Ohio State OLB 4.59
5 Matt Leinart USC QB 4.55
6 Vernon Davis Maryland TE 4.49
7 Michael Huff Texas S 4.47
8 Haloti Ngata Oregon DT 4.43
9 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt QB 4.42
10 Vince Young Texas QB 4.41

[Mediator12]

Who said anything about Pro Football Talk? And who does CNNSI import their grades from?

TFYdraftpreview.com. You know that link on the bottom of their draft pages. Read the analysis of Mangold then click on the link and follow to the analysis of the centers. Word for word.

You see it's like a Lawyer who asks a question on the stand. He already knows the answer. And you were Laughing at me :wave:

[ColoradoBuff]

1 Reggie Bush USC RB 4.85
Not going to argue that one!
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia OT 4.74
Either D'Brick or Mario here.
3 Mario Williams NC State DE 4.72
Tennessee is not taking Mario. They have said they are going to take a QB!
4 A.J. Hawk Ohio State OLB 4.59
Doubt the Jets take Hawk. They already have Vilma

5 Matt Leinart USC QB 4.55
Doubt the Pack take another 1st round QB!

6 Vernon Davis Maryland TE 4.49
Can't argue this pick!
7 Michael Huff Texas S 4.47
The faiders might make an out of the box pick like this. Don't see it though. They are in love with Leinart. As is the Jets!
8 Haloti Ngata Oregon DT 4.43
Can't argue this pick. Maybe Bunkley? Huff?
9 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt QB 4.42
No way Millen takes another offensive player! Huff? Bunkley? Davis if he falls. They just signed 3 Qb's this off-season. Cutler will fall out of the Top 10. Might be there when Denver picks at 15!
10 Vince Young Texas QB 4.41
Tennessee's owner favors VY and the coaches favor Leinart. My bet the owner gets his way and VY will go to Tennessee.


Looks like you are just going by Ranking's instead of actually picking where they would go!LOL

[Drek]

1 Reggie Bush USC RB 4.85
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson Virginia OT 4.74
3 Mario Williams NC State DE 4.72
4 A.J. Hawk Ohio State OLB 4.59
5 Matt Leinart USC QB 4.55
6 Vernon Davis Maryland TE 4.49
7 Michael Huff Texas S 4.47
8 Haloti Ngata Oregon DT 4.43
9 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt QB 4.42
10 Vince Young Texas QB 4.41
Here is a perfect example of your problem. CNNSI knows **** and their scores aren't applicable from year to year.

Kellen Winslow Jr.'s score in their ranking system? 5.04, a full .55 points higher than Vernon Davis, or in CNNSI's mind, bigger than the gap between Davis and Klopfenstein.

Now you love experts picks right? Well, Mel Kiper and 90% of all other draft experts, as well as several vocal (i.e. no chance to get him) front office types have said Vernon Davis is the best TE the draft has ever seen, specifically mentioning him as better than Winslow.

This is CNNSI's opinion and looking through their previous rankings I personally wouldn't put a lot of stock in it as a predictive method. Now many more accurate analysts have weighed in as this being one of the deepest drafts in a long time. Last year's wasn't bad mind you, it just had a real lack of elite talents. This draft is very similar in overall depth (solid through 4 rounds, though at different positions) but that depth is pushed down to a later point in the draft thanks to 10-15 truely elite players that last year's draft didn't have. CNNSI is unable to adjust to these draft fluctuations, despite what they say all their rankings are relative to that year alone and who then can compare them to. Career draft experts, like Kiper and NFL front office personell, see the differences from year to year though, which is why they often cite this as a very deep draft relative to last year's.

[Rock Chalk]

Gonzo went fishing and caught himself about 25 fish.

Suckers.

[Ballhawk]

In 2005 CNNSI gave a 167 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.

This year they only gave 144 prospects a grade of 3.45 or higher.



My question is who gives a rat's ass if last year was deeper? If there are 144 prosects that are starter quality and we have 7 picks inside the top 144...what is your damn point?

[Master___Pain]

My question is who gives a rat's ass if last year was deeper? If there are 144 prosects that are starter quality and we have 7 picks inside the top 144...what is your damn point?

Thread over.

[Pat Bowlen]

*sighs*...
This is the correct response.

[Broncoman13]

See, here is a man who attempts to make sense. Yes, you can argue that the top 5 players in this draft would have went number one overall last year over Alex Smith but outside of the top five players in this draft last years draft actually had MORE DEPTH than this year's proclaimed DEEP DRAFT.

There are 15 or so guys in this years draft with top end talent like Bush through Bunkley. But last years draft also featured highly rated studs from Ronnie Brown through Derrick Johnson.

And the whole Alex Smith VS Vince Young debate is mindless because you are comparing apples to oranges here. If we really wanted to make sense of it we would go by the predraft grades given to each prospect which was exactly the same (4.41). The scouts did their work and rated them equally. Outside of that we are arguing over something that can only be proved over time.

Another thing that you're not considering with that ranking... ceilings. A player like Vince Young that carries a grade of 4.41 is graded on how NFL ready he is. Same with Alex Smith, but you better believe that every GM, Scout, and the like grade at potential as well. Who could argue that the potential for VY is 3x that of Alex Smith? You see, Matt Leinart has the higher grade and IS more NFL ready than VY, yet there is truly a good chance that VY is drafted @#3 by the Titans...over Matt Leinart. Why? B/c of long term potential.

[GonzoLays]

Here is a perfect example of your problem. CNNSI knows **** and their scores aren't applicable from year to year.

Kellen Winslow Jr.'s score in their ranking system? 5.04, a full .55 points higher than Vernon Davis, or in CNNSI's mind, bigger than the gap between Davis and Klopfenstein.

Now you love experts picks right? Well, Mel Kiper and 90% of all other draft experts, as well as several vocal (i.e. no chance to get him) front office types have said Vernon Davis is the best TE the draft has ever seen, specifically mentioning him as better than Winslow.



Of course CNNSI's draft grades are applicable from year to year. They use the exact same criteria to grade each prospect. That is exactly like professor x giving me a 98 average for his class in the fall of 2003 and you receiving a 91 average in the same class using the same syllabus and the same professor in the fall of 2004. The same criteria was used for me as it was for you when you received your grade. I just happened to be the better student just like Kellen Winslow Jr. was a better TE prospect coming out of college than Vernon Davis.

Looks like you are just another victim to draft hyperbole from the talking heads. Wasn't Kellen Winslow Jr. the greatest TE prospect EVER just two years ago? Considering he was the 5th pick of the draft and was taller and a much better blocker than Davis you would be hard pressed to anoint Davis the best TE prospect ever. Next year the hyperbole will anoint another TE the "greatest TE prospect ever." But thanks to the grading system you can give each player a grade based on his numbers, production and character. Looks like VD is .55 worse than Winslow Jr. coming out of college. Oh well, shiit happens.

[GonzoLays]

Kellen Winslow Jr.

Pros: Very quick and agile...could be drafted higher than any other tight-end since Tony Gonzalez...excellent hands...has all the tools of being potentially the premier TE in the NFL.

Cons: Tends to "talk alot"...needs to continue to improve blocking skills...Winslow's stock may drop some due to concerns regarding his "coachability". Winslow has never been shy near the media's microphone, and this concerns some NFL scouts and coaches.

Notes: May be the best tight end prospect ever...Will be one of the elite players available should be enter the 2004 NFL Draft as expected...A truly special player, the kind that doesn't come along very often...May be drafted higher than any tight end ever has been.

[Requiem]

Alex Smith would be the 4th or 5th best QB in this draft.

[ØrangeÇrush]

You have to take into account grade inflation based on a dearth of talent. Last year, there wasn't a lot of talent at the top end of the 1st round that graded as elite. Quarterback was one such, thus the quarterbacks grade is inflated to take that into account. In my opinion, alex smith might not be drafted in the first round at all. Aaron Rodgers in the 2nd round, and so on and so forth.

This years dearth of talent seems to be WR, as has been mentioned multiple times. Chad Jackson would probably be a 2nd round pick in last years draft and the year before.


VY specifically probably rated out higher than alex smith, however, Alex Smith had a much higher Wonderlick score which probably brings their grades level overall. That led to Hair boy Kiper calling Alex Smith the Smartest QB prospect ever.


Bottom line, While their grades might be the same, I'll tell you right now, they aren't even in the same ballpark as far on the field talent goes. Alex Smith might hope to one day be an efficient mistake free quarterback. Vince Young has a chance to be a difference maker. Unfortunately, He'll most likely be picked by a scrubby team, with bad coaching and bust out in a few years.

[Rohirrim]

Kellen Winslow Jr.

Pros: Very quick and agile...could be drafted higher than any other tight-end since Tony Gonzalez...excellent hands...has all the tools of being potentially the premier TE in the NFL.

Cons: Tends to "talk alot"...needs to continue to improve blocking skills...Winslow's stock may drop some due to concerns regarding his "coachability". Winslow has never been shy near the media's microphone, and this concerns some NFL scouts and coaches.

Notes: May be the best tight end prospect ever...Will be one of the elite players available should be enter the 2004 NFL Draft as expected...A truly special player, the kind that doesn't come along very often...May be drafted higher than any tight end ever has been.

Who? Oh, you mean Kellen Kneivel. :wiggle:

[GonzoLays]

You have to take into account grade inflation based on a dearth of talent. Last year, there wasn't a lot of talent at the top end of the 1st round that graded as elite. Quarterback was one such, thus the quarterbacks grade is inflated to take that into account. In my opinion, alex smith might not be drafted in the first round at all. Aaron Rodgers in the 2nd round, and so on and so forth.



Thats why only a handfull of players, just like this year, got a high grade. The grading system is based on talent of the individual player, not the talent around them. They are not in the business of making fine wine out of grape soda. In 2004 Ben Rothelisberger received a grade of 4.99 even though he was the third highest rated QB prospect in that draft. He got the grade he deserved. Just like Alex Smith got the grade he deserved (4.41). If there was inflation Alex Smith would have received a grade higher than 4.99 considering he was the number one QB prospect.

[ØrangeÇrush]

Thats why only a handfull of players, just like this year, got a high grade. The grading system is based on talent of the individual player, not the talent around them. They are not in the business of making fine wine out of grape soda. In 2004 Ben Rothelisberger received a grade of 4.99 even though he was the third highest rated QB prospect in that draft. He got the grade he deserved. Just like Alex Smith got the grade he deserved (4.41). If there was inflation Alex Smith would have received a grade higher than 4.99 considering he was the number one QB prospect.

And yet there was an inflation or he wouldn't have gone #1 overall, which by your logic tells me that the best player drafted last year was significantly lower than the 10th player drafted the year before.

[Den Smith 49]

Where's the thread with the info on the Reggie bush shenanigans? Somebody bought him a house?

[GonzoLays]

And yet there was an inflation or he wouldn't have gone #1 overall, which by your logic tells me that the best player drafted last year was significantly lower than the 10th player drafted the year before.

Oh no my friend, Alex Smith was a reach because he wasn't the highest rated player in last years draft. Not by a long shot.

I gave you the Big Ben example to show you that there was no proof of inflation in year by year draft grades.

[ØrangeÇrush]

Oh no my friend, Alex Smith was a reach because he wasn't the highest rated player in last years draft. Not by a long shot.

I gave you the Big Ben example to show you that there was no proof of inflation in year by year draft grades.

Evidently he was high enough rated to go first overall. To me the proof is in the pudding

[Mediator12]

Of course CNNSI's draft grades are applicable from year to year. They use the exact same criteria to grade each prospect. That is exactly like professor x giving me a 98 average for his class in the fall of 2003 and you receiving a 91 average in the same class using the same syllabus and the same professor in the fall of 2004. The same criteria was used for me as it was for you when you received your grade. I just happened to be the better student just like Kellen Winslow Jr. was a better TE prospect coming out of college than Vernon Davis.

Looks like you are just another victim to draft hyperbole from the talking heads. Wasn't Kellen Winslow Jr. the greatest TE prospect EVER just two years ago? Considering he was the 5th pick of the draft and was taller and a much better blocker than Davis you would be hard pressed to anoint Davis the best TE prospect ever. Next year the hyperbole will anoint another TE the "greatest TE prospect ever." But thanks to the grading system you can give each player a grade based on his numbers, production and character. Looks like VD is .55 worse than Winslow Jr. coming out of college. Oh well, shiit happens.


Of course CNNSI may change draft grade providers from year to year too, but do not that let you keep posting drivel.