Latest Broncos Draft Buzz.

[Requiem]

Hey guys, I've been hearing a lot of things from people lately, (solid sources) and I thought I'd be sharing what I've heard from them with you guys. A lot of it can be found on other sites as well, but I'll start dishing out some things.

Maurice Stovall is getting strong consideration from the Denver Broncos, perhaps more than Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes. It's definitely possible that there is a trade down from #15 or that a receiver isn't selected there if we stay. #37 may be too high for the Broncos, but they seem to like him a lot, and consensus is that the value for him there is better than either Jackson or Holmes at #15. Never count out the Broncos trading down from #15 to gain some additional picks to target Maurice and the players who I'll mention later on.

Anthony Fasano seems to be the guy Denver likes most at tight end. Denver definitely wanted someone who was more physical than Jeb Putzier, but who had the receiving options as well. Even though #37 would be a prime target for Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope, look for Denver to draft a tight end at #61, and at the latest #68.

Maurice Drew is going to go higher than you believe. At the latest, he's going to go to the Browns at pick #42 in the NFL Draft, but #37 to the Denver Broncos is a realistic possibility. Widely considered a "poor man's" Reggie Bush, teams are taking note of not only how well he played in college, but how he's performed at the combine and most of all, his interviews and attitude towards football in general. Don't kill the messenger, but don't be shocked if you see MJD as a Bronco next season. Which may not be a bad thing, because if he was taller than 5'7 -- he'd be a first round choice for sure. You may not get an every down back with Maurice Drew, but you're going to get a Brian Westbrook type player who can return punts and kicks, receive out of the backfield and take it to the house every time he touches the ball.

Tamba Hali, Mark Anderson and Eric Henderson seem to be in ther running for the top DE prospect the Broncos searching at. Hali has first-round potential, but has been slipping due to poor work-outs lately. In my opinion #15 is too high for him, but there's a real shot he's there for the Broncos at #37, and if he is -- the Broncos are going to have to make a hard decision. In regards to Mark Anderson, he's a project similiar in many ways to Reggie Hayward (now having a successful career in Jacksonville) and could go to the Broncos at #61 or #68. The sleeper pick, and maybe a bit of a reach this early on the first day is Georgie Tech defensive end Eric Henderson.

Henderson dealt with some injuries his last two years, but still amassed 175 tackles, 59.5 of them for loss and 25 sacks in his four year career at Georgia Tech. At 6'2 - 270 -- he may be a little short, but definitely has the weight you need to be an rush end in the NFL. He also has solid speed. If Henderson had been healthy, he'd be fighting up for one of the top end spots in this draft. Hopefully he can kick the injury bug, and if so -- teams could have a future pro-bowler on their hands.

Be prepared, because there's a strong chance that several of the aforementioned are sporting Orange and Blue next season.

[BroncoInferno]

Great info, thanks. I've been thinking that Drew and Fasano sound like Shany guys. Glad to hear WR may be off the table for round 1. I'm thinking, though, that Stovall is going to come off the board before 61.

[BroncoInferno]

Who have you been hearing as 1st round possibilities if not WR?

[minibronco]

Thanks for the info!

[Rich Karlis]

Stovalls blocking would make him a perfect WR fit in Denver.

[Requiem]

Who have you been hearing as 1st round possibilities if not WR?
It's hard to answer that. Denver has so much ambiguity going into the draft and not many people (even though I have some good sources) can gauge what they're going to do. Honestly, how many draftniks and gurus actually can project the Broncos picks?

Chad Jackson is still someone they really, really covet -- but as I mentioned earlier, is he that much better than the other guys and is his value (perceived) at #15 worth it? In this draft, I'd say no. I think a lot of the interest is contingent on who falls. I don't think they'll be trading up, but they could stand pat if one of the top prospects (10-12 of them) fall into their laps at #15. No matter how much I dislike it, Cutler and Young are potential prospects at #15. The pick there might not even fill a need, it could just be the best player available. (One thing you can count on, it's not going to be a running back there.) The person may not start this year, but if you can get good value out of that selection, you may want to take it. Even though we have Lepsis, if Winston Justice fell to #15 -- I don't think the Broncos would hesitate at taking him. He could play guard if he wanted to (RG) and start for us this year. And in a year or two, be with Foster as book-ends for years to come. That's another possibility.

But to sum this question up, I think the Broncos would rather trade down and gain additional picks. More than likely, they'll gain way more than what they had to give up to get this high. It'll be interesting to see though, as it always is when it comes to the NFL Draft, but in particular -- our beloved Broncos on April 29th and 30th.

[BroncoInferno]

It's hard to answer that. Denver has so much ambiguity going into the draft and not many people (even though I have some good sources) can gauge what they're going to do. Honestly, how many draftniks and gurus actually can project the Broncos picks?

Chad Jackson is still someone they really, really covet -- but as I mentioned earlier, is he that much better than the other guys and is his value (perceived) at #15 worth it? In this draft, I'd say no. I think a lot of the interest is contingent on who falls. I don't think they'll be trading up, but they could stand pat if one of the top prospects (10-12 of them) fall into their laps at #15. No matter how much I dislike it, Cutler and Young are potential prospects at #15. The pick there might not even fill a need, it could just be the best player available. (One thing you can count on, it's not going to be a running back there.)

But to sum this question up, I think the Broncos would rather trade down and gain additional picks. More than likely, they'll gain way more than what they had to give up to get this high.

Thanks. Shanny always throws a curveball. Cromartie or Allen seem like classic Shanny shocker picks. I hope I'm wrong. Whitner is the only DB projected in this area I'd be OK with.

[Kaylore]

Does anyone know how Maurice Drew is on pass protection? If he is anything like Westbrook, Id be thrilled.

[Requiem]

Does anyone know how Maurice Drew is on pass protection? If he is anything like Westbrook, Id be thrilled.

Drew has very good technique, but he gets overmatched. That's a downside to being 5'7 -- but he gives great effort.

[BroncoInferno]

Does anyone know how Maurice Drew is on pass protection? If he is anything like Westbrook, Id be thrilled.

Yeah, it would be nice to have a RB who is a big threat in the passing game. Give him 10-15 carries and 5-7 catches and let Dayne carry the rest of the load. I think that'd be an ideal combo.

On the other hand, Shanny keeps talking about getting back to having a guy who can carry it 25-30 times a game, and Drew doesn't seem like he could be that sort. We'll see what happens. I wonder if LenDale, Maroney or DW2 are still in the 1st round pciture for Denver?

[Requiem]

Thanks. Shanny always throws a curveball. Cromartie or Allen seem like classic Shanny shocker picks. I hope I'm wrong. Whitner is the only DB projected in this area I'd be OK with.

I think that safety on day one isn't out of the realm of possibility, especially with the additional pick we gained. However, since the class is so deep - and typically not many safeties go "high-high" -- they'll be good value where we're picking in the fourth. As it seems, the Broncos probably will focus day one on the positions of WR, TE, DL and RB -- with safety and quarterback on the outside looking in. It's all up to the value and who is available, but you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the Broncos have more pressing needs than the aforementioned on the first day.

[Requiem]

I wonder if LenDale, Maroney or DW2 are still in the 1st round pciture for Denver?

From what I know, not at #15, but a trade down from say #15 to the 20's -- it's a possibilty.

[BroncoInferno]

I think that safety on day one isn't out of the realm of possibility, especially with the additional pick we gained. However, since the class is so deep - and typically not many safeties go "high-high" -- they'll be good value where we're picking in the fourth. As it seems, the Broncos probably will focus day one on the positions of WR, TE, DL and RB -- with safety and quarterback on the outside looking in. It's all up to the value and who is available, but you'd be hard-pressed to argue that the Broncos have more pressing needs than the aforementioned on the first day.

I agree with your reasoning, but Shanny doesn't always do the seemingly logical thing, for better or wrose. Cromartie, in particular, is one of those guys who Shanny always seems attracted to. Top 5 talent who was limited by injuries. Again, I hope I'm wrong. I'm just trying to prepare myself for anything.

[Rohirrim]

And you still have the possibility that the Cowboys, Bucs, Giants or Bears might want to jump ahead of the Vikes. It could get real interesting.

[Requiem]

And you still have the possibility that the Cowboys, Bucs, Giants or Bears might want to jump ahead of the Vikes. It could get real interesting.

Depending on the position yes. Denver's #15 has a lot of value in this draft. A LOT. Teams might have to give up more than expected if they want to move up for a guy. I can see us gaining an extra second and still being in the first.

[Rohirrim]

Depending on the position yes. Denver's #15 has a lot of value in this draft. A LOT. Teams might have to give up more than expected if they want to move up for a guy. I can see us gaining an extra second and still being in the first.

I'm guessing the position would pretty clearly be LB or CB. Yeah, imagine Shanahan having four GMs on the phone at the same time? Ha!

[BroncoInferno]

Depending on the position yes. Denver's #15 has a lot of value in this draft. A LOT. Teams might have to give up more than expected if they want to move up for a guy. I can see us gaining an extra second and still being in the first.

Yep. #15 is right when the run on DBs is expected to begin. Also, the second tier LBs like Galloway and Sims will start to go. Teams wanting the first pick of those positions might want our spot. It'd be nice to get Dallas' second and then take White or Maroney with the first rounder.

[SoCalBronco]

Now I like DLS kids and all, but Maurice Drew isnt of the caliber to be an NFL starting back. Just take White at 15, stop overanalyzing things Shanny.

Im glad they like Stovall and Fasano. Fasano is the best TE outside of the big three and I like Stovall the most out of all the WRs. Get it done.

Thanks, Requiem

[BroncoInferno]

Now I like DLS kids and all, but Maurice Drew isnt of the caliber to be an NFL starting back.

Maybe not a 25 carry-a-game guy, but he definately favors well with Westbrook, as has been mentioned, and that sort of player would be a great addition to the offense. Although, if I had my drothers, I'd go with the potential 25 carry-a-game guy. But I wouldn't complain about Drew, either.

[SoCalBronco]

Maybe not a 25 carry-a-game guy, but he definately favors well with Westbrook, as has been mentioned, and that sort of player would be a great addition to the offense. Although, if I had my drothers, I'd go with the potential 25 carry-a-game guy. But I wouldn't complain about Drew, either.

I think Shanny has learned his lesson re: small, shifty backs.

[BroncoInferno]

I think Shanny has learned his lesson re: small, shifty backs.

If you are referring to Griffin, he was not nearly the kind of receiver or return man that Drew can be. As I said, my first choice would be White or Maroney who can be a true feature back. And you would need a good complimentary back with Drew, which I think we have in Dayne. But Drew's receiving ability is what would really make him a major weapon in this offense and why I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd.

[Ballhawk]

If you are referring to Griffin, he was not nearly the kind of receiver or return man that Drew can be. As I said, my first choice would be White or Maroney who can be a true feature back. And you would need a good complimentary back with Drew, which I think we have in Dayne. But Drew's receiving ability is what would really make him a major weapon in this offense and why I wouldn't mind him in the 2nd.
Glyn Milburn (sp)

[NFLBRONCO]

Do you think if we move down from 15 it will happen on draft day and not days before?

[WABronco]

Do you think if we move down from 15 it will happen on draft day and not days before?

I would hope so. You don't trade down and then regret it when Bunkley falls to 15...

[Rohirrim]

Do you think if we move down from 15 it will happen on draft day and not days before?

That would be my guess. One of those last minute, make me an offer too good to refuse kind of things.

Hopefully, if Ngata, Huff or Bunkley are still on the board, the Broncos turn off the phones.

[R8R H8R]

But to sum this question up, I think the Broncos would rather trade down and gain additional picks. More than likely, they'll gain way more than what they had to give up to get this high. It'll be interesting to see though, as it always is when it comes to the NFL Draft, but in particular -- our beloved Broncos on April 29th and 30th.

Thanks for the info, very interesting. At this point,trading back makes more sense. I like the idea of getting more 2 & 3rd rounders, especially in this draft.

I really like M. Drew in the 2nd; but if he works out for us, what would we do with Tatum?

[SoCalBronco]

Just give me White at 15 dammit. No more midgets. Do we want to revisit the Jacksonville 2004 game again where 3rd and 1s were repeatedly turned into 4th and 3s?

Drew is a nice kid, I liked how he changed the name on his jersey for his late grandfather, has good pedigree from DLS, but its not a fit at all. We NEED White. I know Shanny likes to jack his former assistants off and all but not with the 37th pick for Pete sakes. We MUST come out of this draft with WHITE. If they want to trade down a few more spots to stay in front of NE, and take him that is fine too. Pick up more picks, but he is an ABSOLUTE NEED for this team. Not Maurice Drew. And sure as hell NOT at 37, thats basically a first. I cant believe this. Not at 37 or 61 or 68.

[Rohirrim]

Just give me White at 15 dammit. No more midgets. Do we want to revisit the Jacksonville 2004 game again where 3rd and 1s were repeatedly turned into 4th and 3s?

Drew is a nice kid, I liked how he changed the name on his jersey for his late grandfather, has good pedigree from DLS, but its not a fit at all. We NEED White. I know Shanny likes to jack his former assistants off and all but not with the 37th pick for Pete sakes. We MUST come out of this draft with WHITE. If they want to trade down a few more spots to stay in front of NE, and take him that is fine too. Pick up more picks, but he is an ABSOLUTE NEED for this team. Not Maurice Drew. And sure as hell NOT at 37, thats basically a first. I cant believe this. Not at 37 or 61 or 68.

I agree. A back like Lendale completely changes the dynamics of this offense. It's not just what he can do on his own, it's the effect he has on the whole gameplan.

But tell me, SoCal. If the 15th spot is on the clock and Ngata, Huff OR Bunkley are still there, would you still go with White?

[SoCalBronco]

I agree. A back like Lendale completely changes the dynamics of this offense. It's not just what he can do on his own, it's the effect he has on the whole gameplan.

But tell me, SoCal. If the 15th spot is on the clock and Ngata, Huff OR Bunkley are still there, would you still go with White?

I would still go with White, although Bunkley is my No. 2 target for the 15th pick (DW2 is 3rd). White is an absolute priority at 15. Even over Ngata, even over Huff. Only if a VY drops all the way down, would things really start to change.

Shanny will regret it if he passes over him.

[montrose]

I would still go with White, although Bunkley is my No. 2 target for the 15th pick (DW2 is 3rd). White is an absolute priority at 15. Even over Ngata, even over Huff. Only if a VY drops all the way down, would things really start to change.

Shanny will regret it if he passes over him.

I agree, I say take White and then trade Bell.

[R8R H8R]

Just give me White at 15 dammit. No more midgets. Do we want to revisit the Jacksonville 2004 game again where 3rd and 1s were repeatedly turned into 4th and 3s?

Drew is a nice kid, I liked how he changed the name on his jersey for his late grandfather, has good pedigree from DLS, but its not a fit at all. We NEED White. I know Shanny likes to jack his former assistants off and all but not with the 37th pick for Pete sakes. We MUST come out of this draft with WHITE. If they want to trade down a few more spots to stay in front of NE, and take him that is fine too. Pick up more picks, but he is an ABSOLUTE NEED for this team. Not Maurice Drew. And sure as hell NOT at 37, thats basically a first. I cant believe this. Not at 37 or 61 or 68.

I have no problem with White, but not at 15. He will be there in the early to mid 20's. Trade back to get him and get more picks.

With that being said, comparing Drew with Q is a big mistake, IMO. There is no comparison at all. No one is denying that Drew has top 10-15 talent. He is just too short to be an everydown type of back.

When we played the Jags game you mentioned. Q was being slammed into the line because there was no other option at the time. MA was out and we didn't have Dayne on the roster yet.

My point is that if Shanny & Turner like Drew, then they know what they are doing, and feel that he can contribute and add a deminsion to the backs that are already there.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Hey guys, I've been hearing a lot of things from people lately, (solid sources) and I thought I'd be sharing what I've heard from them with you guys. A lot of it can be found on other sites as well, but I'll start dishing out some things.

Maurice Stovall is getting strong consideration from the Denver Broncos, perhaps more than Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes. It's definitely possible that there is a trade down from #15 or that a receiver isn't selected there if we stay. #37 may be too high for the Broncos, but they seem to like him a lot, and consensus is that the value for him there is better than either Jackson or Holmes at #15. Never count out the Broncos trading down from #15 to gain some additional picks to target Maurice and the players who I'll mention later on.
Why would Denver need to trade down from #15 to get Stovall? If they like him that much they can simply take him at 37. It's not like Shanny hasn't made a habit out of reaching for receivers in the past (Lelie, Claw). I don't like the idea that you can simply trade down indefinitely and replace quality with quantity. Sure it's a deep draft, but sometimes that can come back to bite you. The three guys we ought to be looking at for #15 are Lawson, Ngata and Bunkley, with Lawson being the guy most likely to fall there, and by far the best pass rusher as well.
Anthony Fasano seems to be the guy Denver likes most at tight end. Denver definitely wanted someone who was more physical than Jeb Putzier, but who had the receiving options as well. Even though #37 would be a prime target for Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope, look for Denver to draft a tight end at #61, and at the latest #68..."
That figures...Klopfenstein looks like a more complete TE, but Shanny almost never takes CU guys.
Maurice Drew is going to go higher than you believe. At the latest, he's going to go to the Browns at pick #42 in the NFL Draft, but #37 to the Denver Broncos is a realistic possibility. Widely considered a "poor man's" Reggie Bush, teams are taking note of not only how well he played in college, but how he's performed at the combine and most of all, his interviews and attitude towards football in general. Don't kill the messenger, but don't be shocked if you see MJD as a Bronco next season. Which may not be a bad thing, because if he was taller than 5'7 -- he'd be a first round choice for sure.
I hate this thought...QII in the second? Can we PU-LEASE get over the infatuation with situational running backs? I'd rather go DW2 at 15 and forego the DE I want in the 1st round than waste another high pick on a munchkin runningback. At 37 there's a good chance Charles Spencer, Nick Mangold or Joseph are there...WHY would we take a situational runner when we have Bell already there? It might be a good idea to remember that despite the problems, the guy did rush for nearly 1000 yards and post a 5.3 ypc avg. Does anybody think Drew will do that?
You may not get an every down back with Maurice Drew, but you're going to get a Brian Westbrook type player who can return punts and kicks, receive out of the backfield and take it to the house every time he touches the ball.
That's what we got Darrent Williams for. No more wasted picks on return guys. We have other needs...DE, TE, OL, WR...

I guess it's time to start preparing for the inevitable psychological frustration that's almost sure to result from all this...

[R8R H8R]

I would still go with White, although Bunkley is my No. 2 target for the 15th pick (DW2 is 3rd). White is an absolute priority at 15. Even over Ngata, even over Huff. Only if a VY drops all the way down, would things really start to change.

Shanny will regret it if he passes over him.

This is were I disagree with you. Bunkley & Ngata would be my priorities @ 15, but they probably won't be there. So I say drop back 4 to 9 spots somewhere and get more picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds.

If Shanny and Bobby Turner agrees with your assesment of White, he will still be there for the taking.

[footstepsfrom#27]

This is were I disagree with you. Bunkley & Ngata would be my priorities @ 15, but they probably won't be there. So I say drop back 4 to 9 spots somewhere and get more picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds.

If Shanny and Bobby Turner agrees with your assesment of White, he will still be there for the taking.
White at 37? Ok. White at 15? No.

[Requiem]

I don't think Drew is the best fit either -- but could be a Sewell type guy for us, and I'm not sure drafting him would mean for him being our feature back - but more of a game changer, although we have one in Tatum Bell. But he's certainly head and shoulders above Griffin (haha) in terms of Talent. Maurice is extremely big for his size and is built like a truck. He adds a lot of dimensions to our team that we don't have, like a solid receiver out of the backfield -- a good returner (if Williams is a starter, no way does he return kicks) and well -- he's another option on offense.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about the pick, but I'm currently trying to contact several people to see how interested we are in him. He'd be a nice spell-back, but we consensus is we need an every-down guy. That's where and why people question MJD.

[Requiem]

Why would Denver need to trade down from #15 to get Stovall? If they like him that much they can simply take him at 37. It's not like Shanny hasn't made a habit out of reaching for receivers in the past (Lelie, Claw). I don't like the idea that you can simply trade down indefinitely and replace quality with quantity. Sure it's a deep draft, but sometimes that can come back to bite you. The three guys we ought to be looking at for #15 are Lawson, Ngata and Bunkley, with Lawson being the guy most likely to fall there, and by far the best pass rusher as well.

That figures...Klopfenstein looks like a more complete TE, but Shanny almost never takes CU guys.

I hate this thought...QII in the second? Can we PU-LEASE get over the infatuation with situational running backs? I'd rather go DW2 at 15 and forego the DE I want in the 1st round than waste another high pick on a munchkin runningback. At 37 there's a good chance Charles Spencer, Nick Mangold or Joseph are there...WHY would we take a situational runner when we have Bell already there? It might be a good idea to remember that despite the problems, the guy did rush for nearly 1000 yards and post a 5.3 ypc avg. Does anybody think Drew will do that?

That's what we got Darrent Williams for. No more wasted picks on return guys. We have other needs...DE, TE, OL, WR...

I guess it's time to start preparing for the inevitable psychological frustration that's almost sure to result from all this...

They don't need to trade down, but if they traded down and gained an additional pick, they might not have to "reach" at #37. I like him there, but he could be had from 45-55, which is where I expect him to go if we don't take him.

MJD is not QII, he's 10x the prospect he was coming out of school. Like I said, if Drew was 5'10 - 5'11, he'd be a top fifteen selection.

Also on Williams, if he's a starter -- (which I don't think he will be, I think Foxworth wins the camp battle) there is no way he's going to return kicks. I don't think we can have arguably our 2nd best (3rd to me) corner returning all the time for us. Especially if he's going to have a full-time role, which is why MJD does make some sense, because he's an explosive returner and would be a situational man for us.

[SoCalBronco]

Requiem, have you heard anything on White?

Thanks for the goodies.

[Requiem]

SoCal, about De La Salle -- if we don't land Stovall or a receiver in the first, Demetrius Williams becomes a real option at #61 and #68 -- Scott Wright and I agree and he seems like an Ashley Lelie type guy, but shows more willingness to be physical. I think he'd be a nice selection there.

[Requiem]

Requiem, have you heard anything on White?

Thanks for the goodies.

I still think and hear Denver really likes the hometown kid, but with his injury -- consensus on draft boards seems to be he's sliding. If you look at any tape of USC, White was a workhorse guy for the Trojans and did most of the work, Bush was the topping to White. On tape alone, the kid is a top ten prospect, but it's too bad that people put too much stock into his alleged weight issue problems and the hamstring tear.

I think White's still a strong selection, but as I stated earlier -- I think the interest as slowed for a back at #15. However, I'm almost certain a team afterwards would love to have him. I don't buy him slipping that much, I just don't.

If you ask me, I'll take what he does on the field over what he "hasn't" done the past month all day, every day.

In the end, teams will be sore they passed him up -- but I'm not so sure he'll be with the Broncos next season - we could only hope though.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal, about De La Salle -- if we don't land Stovall or a receiver in the first, Demetrius Williams becomes a real option at #61 and #68 -- Scott Wright and I agree and he seems like an Ashley Lelie type guy, but shows more willingness to be physical. I think he'd be a nice selection there.

I have Stovall and Williams as the two best WRs in the draft. I selected Williams in the early second round in the OrangeMane official mock draft for San Francisco. He definitely would provide that deep threat element that would otherwise go away when Ash does. That would be a very solid addition. I was quite impressed by his performance in the Senior Bowl practices. He was the best player at WR there the whole week. Here are the reports:

Demetrius Williams WR Oregon 6013 188 9 34 3/4
Weigh-In Notes: Skinny and needs development.

Monday Practice Notes: He was one of the better performers of the session at the position and often beat coverage. Williams, whether he caught the ball inside or outside in the coverage, was able to find open spaces and he did well running after the catch.
Tuesday Practice Notes: Excellent hands and sees the ball in before making fluid movements up the field. Good field presence for the sidelines and coverage. Locates the ball well on errant throws and makes it looks
easy.
Wednesday Practice Notes: Best hands of the group. Tucks the ball after the reception and maintains his speed for yards after the catch. Route running is precise which makes him very elusive.
Thursday Practice Notes: As has been the case all week, he was very solid with his footwork in practice drills and he did a nice job catching the ball with good technique.
Analysis: The best receiver in Mobile. Impressed with his hands, route running and overall game. Good body positioning and soft hands.

[Mediator12]

Stovall fits the #1 type mold in this offense and so does a guy that I have not heard been mentioned at all in Travis Wilson (Oklahoma). These guys are real targets IMHO more than the earlier guys and may be available at #61 or 68.

Fasano played in the West Coast with Weiss last year and has the complete package and so does Klopfenstein. I have heard that more than several FO types have downgraded Davis because of his poor route running and do NOT believe his is an instant impact NFL guy due to poor zone recognition skills.

Hali has fallen in a lot of media and draft experts opinions due to his poor workouts and poor access by Joe Paterno to scouts at PSU. This has been explained by his poor preparation by his agent not getting him to the Pre-draft Track Preparation schools and him taking 15 hours to finish school. However, his film grades like Lendale White's do not Lie. He has the best overall game of the DE's and is still a very good outside and inside pass rusher.

Mark Anderson is the second Guy I personally think the Broncos are targetting at DE. He has a higher Floor to play right away and I believe a higher ceiling than others are giving him credit. He ran faster than estimated at the combine and pro-days and was very good in drills.

Finally, a guy that No one else is thinking about for the Broncos at # 37 is Davin Joseph OG (OK). Most have him rated the top OG in the draft (Yes over Max Jean Giles) due to his superior Intelligence, game Preparation, and Interviews on the board. He is coming from a Zone Blocking scheme like Travis Wilson and may be able to make a difference right away. Yes, I said right away he could challenge Carlisle and Back up OT. That is how high some have him rated at OG.

Just some more Buzz...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Stovall fits the #1 type mold in this offense and so does a guy that I have not heard been mentioned at all in Travis Wilson (Oklahoma). These guys are real targets IMHO more than the earlier guys and may be available at #61 or 68.

Fasano played in the West Coast with Weiss last year and has the complete package and so does Klopfenstein. I have heard that more than several FO types have downgraded Davis because of his poor route running and do NOT believe his is an instant impact NFL guy due to poor zone recognition skills.

Hali has fallen in a lot of media and draft experts opinions due to his poor workouts and poor access by Joe Paterno to scouts at PSU. This has been explained by his poor preparation by his agent not getting him to the Pre-draft Track Preparation schools and him taking 15 hours to finish school. However, his film grades like Lendale White's do not Lie. He has the best overall game of the DE's and is still a very good outside and inside pass rusher.

Mark Anderson is the second Guy I personally think the Broncos are targetting at DE. He has a higher Floor to play right away and I believe a higher ceiling than others are giving him credit. He ran faster than estimated at the combine and pro-days and was very good in drills.

Finally, a guy that No one else is thinking about for the Broncos at # 37 is Davin Joseph OG (OK). Most have him rated the top OG in the draft (Yes over Max Jean Giles) due to his superior Intelligence, game Preparation, and Interviews on the board. He is coming from a Zone Blocking scheme like Travis Wilson and may be able to make a difference right away. Yes, I said right away he could challenge Carlisle and Back up OT. That is how high some have him rated at OG.

Just some more Buzz...

I've been begging for Joseph and Anderson since September. Give me those two guys in the second and an offensive playmaker in the first and I will be a happy guy.

[Ratboy]

We're going to draft Jeff Samardzija next year.

[eddie mac]

If we could move down in the 1st rd and get Hali or White we could end up with 3 2nd rd picks and end up getting nearly all the guys mentioned.

[Kaylore]

Stovall fits the #1 type mold in this offense and so does a guy that I have not heard been mentioned at all in Travis Wilson (Oklahoma). These guys are real targets IMHO more than the earlier guys and may be available at #61 or 68.

Fasano played in the West Coast with Weiss last year and has the complete package and so does Klopfenstein. I have heard that more than several FO types have downgraded Davis because of his poor route running and do NOT believe his is an instant impact NFL guy due to poor zone recognition skills.

Hali has fallen in a lot of media and draft experts opinions due to his poor workouts and poor access by Joe Paterno to scouts at PSU. This has been explained by his poor preparation by his agent not getting him to the Pre-draft Track Preparation schools and him taking 15 hours to finish school. However, his film grades like Lendale White's do not Lie. He has the best overall game of the DE's and is still a very good outside and inside pass rusher.

Mark Anderson is the second Guy I personally think the Broncos are targetting at DE. He has a higher Floor to play right away and I believe a higher ceiling than others are giving him credit. He ran faster than estimated at the combine and pro-days and was very good in drills.

Finally, a guy that No one else is thinking about for the Broncos at # 37 is Davin Joseph OG (OK). Most have him rated the top OG in the draft (Yes over Max Jean Giles) due to his superior Intelligence, game Preparation, and Interviews on the board. He is coming from a Zone Blocking scheme like Travis Wilson and may be able to make a difference right away. Yes, I said right away he could challenge Carlisle and Back up OT. That is how high some have him rated at OG.

Just some more Buzz...

Great stuff Med. Personally I hope we pick up a solid gaurd. I think that would help seal up the line and queue up depth to be ready to replace Nalen.

We're less then a week away people and I have a feeling this draft is going to be a fun one to watch. :D

[Rohirrim]

We're going to draft Jeff Samardzija next year.

Boy, would I like to see that guy in the O&B next year. Unfortunately, I have a friend who is a Notre Dame alum and former Fighting Irish player who's a booster and spends time on campus. He said it's pretty much a done deal that Jeff wants to play major league baseball.

[elsid13]

I would still go with White, although Bunkley is my No. 2 target for the 15th pick (DW2 is 3rd). White is an absolute priority at 15. Even over Ngata, even over Huff. Only if a VY drops all the way down, would things really start to change.

Shanny will regret it if he passes over him.


I am sorry but you wrong on that. Games are won in trenches and if Ngata is sitting there and Denver went with White it would bigger mistake then selecting Nash or Tommy Maddux. This really is a pretty good team, and Ngata would have immediate impact and has the potential to start and make a difference AS A ROOKIE, White wouldn't be able to do that. And Huff also has the chance to be major impact player to give Denver the best Secondary in the League. This running game doesn't need White to be successfully, but the defense line does need an impact player!

[youcandoit1687]

woo couldnt sleep last night thinking of the draft. i think that if we get chad jackson or manny lawson, i will be decently happy with the rest. and VD but that is seeming more and more likea pipe dream afterthe trade down. i still think our first four picks are WR,DE,DT,TE and the rest are just backups and projects

[clint7]

Hey guys, I've been hearing a lot of things from people lately, (solid sources) and I thought I'd be sharing what I've heard from them with you guys. A lot of it can be found on other sites as well, but I'll start dishing out some things.

Maurice Stovall is getting strong consideration from the Denver Broncos, perhaps more than Chad Jackson or Santonio Holmes...

Anthony Fasano seems to be the guy Denver likes most at tight end...

As a Notre Dame fan, I can only say..."Hell yeah, baby!" :thumbs:

[Rohirrim]

I am sorry but you wrong on that. Games are won in trenches and if Ngata is sitting there and Denver went with White it would bigger mistake then selecting Nash or Tommy Maddux. This really is a pretty good team, and Ngata would have immediate impact and has the potential to start and make a difference AS A ROOKIE, White wouldn't be able to do that. And Huff also has the chance to be major impact player to give Denver the best Secondary in the League. This running game doesn't need White to be successfully, but the defense line does need an impact player!

I have to agree, keeping in mind that I'm always biased toward the D. Ngata is an unstoppable monster and would create huge mis-matches along the D line. With a healthy Brown, Warren and Ekuban, it could make all the difference. And you're right, Huff would give the Broncos the best secondary in football IMO, which is a big deal, given who we face in the playoffs every year. I would also go with Bunkley first. I would go with Tamba first as well, because I just don't buy this crap about him dropping. Yes, he's dropping, but not for any good reason, just for having a lousy agent. On the field, he has been a beast and would immediately upgrade the pass rush exponentially, even if he's only used situationally in his first season. Frankly, I think NFL teams will see through this crap and take him before 15. After that, Lendale is at the top of my list.

[Mediator12]

I am sorry but you wrong on that. Games are won in trenches and if Ngata is sitting there and Denver went with White it would bigger mistake then selecting Nash or Tommy Maddux. This really is a pretty good team, and Ngata would have immediate impact and has the potential to start and make a difference AS A ROOKIE, White wouldn't be able to do that. And Huff also has the chance to be major impact player to give Denver the best Secondary in the League. This running game doesn't need White to be successfully, but the defense line does need an impact player!

I think you have it backwards elsid13. RB's are guys who can play the first year and DT's are the Hardest position to translate to first year success on the defensive side of the ball. Plus, Ngata is a two down player and if you have not been in Egypt the last five years Denver needs a pass rusher more than a roadblock on the DL. In fact, there has not been a DT taken in the top ten in how many years due to the highest bust rate of any first round position?

A: 2003 with five DT's in the first round and only one who is remotely a solid player in Dewayne Robertson. Johnathan Sullivan, Jimmy Kennedy, Ty Warren, and William Joseph are role players or marginally busts.

[youcandoit1687]

yep DT is the biggest gamble and there are so many in the 61 or 68 slot like wright, wroten, watson, or mccargo. i would be decently angered if we went DT anywhere before that

[elsid13]

I think you have it backwards elsid13. RB's are guys who can play the first year and DT's are the Hardest position to translate to first year success on the defensive side of the ball. Plus, Ngata is a two down player and if you have not been in Egypt the last five years Denver needs a pass rusher more than a roadblock on the DL. In fact, there has not been a DT taken in the top ten in how many years due to the highest bust rate of any first round position?

A: 2003 with five DT's in the first round and only one who is remotely a solid player in Dewayne Robertson. Johnathan Sullivan, Jimmy Kennedy, Ty Warren, and William Joseph are role players or marginally busts.


Med,

My argument is as follow for Ngata over White.

1. Denver rotates it line, so Ngata stamia isn't a issue. Plus Ngata wasn't real able to train like should have last year because of family issues. He more then just 2 down player
2. Warren is reporting going to freed up this year to rush the passer, so we need someone to occupy the blockers, which Warren did last year.
3. Shanahan has said over and over again to win you need to stop the run and run the ball to win in the league. We can run the ball with or without White there. I not sure are run defense is going to be there
4. There isn't a DE pass rusher worth the 15th. Some may make the case for Lawson and Wimbley but I believe that they are really outside LB in this league.
5. Shanahan hates playing rookie running backs because they really need to be special to handle the blocking assignments.
6. We have 3 DT on the roster- Warren, Veal and Myers- no depth
7. With Warren and Ngata on the line, our current LBs, which this defense if built for, will be cleaner and have more opportunities to make plays.
8. DT is the only position we haven't brought in during FA.
9. Shanahan stated last year that he really like Henderson and Stout in Jax, and how successfully they been against Indy.

[Lestat]

he Requiem is there any news on the Broncos intrest in Wroten,Bullocks,(Omar)Jacobs,Adeyanju & Norwood

[Tombstone RJ]

Maybe not a 25 carry-a-game guy, but he definately favors well with Westbrook, as has been mentioned, and that sort of player would be a great addition to the offense. Although, if I had my drothers, I'd go with the potential 25 carry-a-game guy. But I wouldn't complain about Drew, either.

Trading down from 15 is stupid and if Shanny does this, he's stockpiling too many picks.

Just take DeAngelo Williams at 15 and forgoe Drew.

[bpc]

As long as they take the best possible player, I don't care. Barry Sanders wasn't tall so I don't mind if we free wheel from the norm every once in awhile. I think Drew is going to be good. I like my backs TD size but who knows...

Very good info here. If we found a way to pickup the ND connection of Fasano and Stovall, I would be F'ing stoked.

Hali, Fasano, Stovall in the 1st three picks would work for me.

[Barry Ramey]

Great info. guys. I can see them trading down and getting an extra pick and don't forget the likelihood Lelie gets dealt too, so that could get another pick or maybe get Walker in the process.

I'm not a fan of Hali and while Drew will be a better pro than Quentin Griffin, I just think too small to get many carries in the NFL. If they just want a part-time back, then ok.

[Mediator12]

Med,

My argument is as follow for Ngata over White.

1. Denver rotates it line, so Ngata stamina isn't a issue. Plus Ngata wasn't real able to train like should have last year because of family issues. He more then just 2 down player.

Denver does not have the luxury of drafting a Space eating DT with little Pass rush ability. The role players in Denver have been top 5 in the league for all three years stopping the run with Coyer. Despite the small LB criticisms they have been outstanding against the run.

2. Warren is reporting going to freed up this year to rush the passer, so we need someone to occupy the blockers, which Warren did last year.

A first round guy to occupy blockers? No thank you. We just got rid of Pryce.

3. Shanahan has said over and over again to win you need to stop the run and run the ball to win in the league. We can run the ball with or without White there. I not sure are run defense is going to be there.

Denver's current DE's are Very good against the run. The DT's have been excellent against the run. Veal and Myers made a lot of plays in the running game. See above for other results.


4. There isn't a DE pass rusher worth the 15th. Some may make the case for Lawson and Wimbley but I believe that they are really outside LB in this league.

I think Hali is getting a real Raw deal. He is more complete than Any other DE in the draft. I would be more than Happy with Hali or White at #15. the other guy that I would prefer at DT is Bunkley. He lead all DT's in TFL's last year and was Third overall. He had nine sacks versus quality competition. One scout is quoted as saying about Bunkley: “I went back and watched more of (Florida State DT) Brodrick Bunkley. He is a mean sucker. Wow! You put on the North Carolina tape, and he is a man. I haven’t seen anyone kick the (crap) out of his opponents like he does in a long time.”


5. Shanahan hates playing rookie running backs because they really need to be special to handle the blocking assignments.

Yeah, Portis, Davis, Gary, and Anderson REALLY struggled in those first years starting didn't they?

6. We have 3 DT on the roster- Warren, Veal and Myers- no depth

Agreed. Need to get at least one more Body for Camp. BTW they have now signed another Brown to make Four DT's though.

7. With Warren and Ngata on the line, our current LBs, which this defense if built for, will be cleaner and have more opportunities to make plays.

Possibly. These guys are not top notch Blitzers but better Cover and sideline guys. That being said, I agree that they could be more free to get to the ball.

8. DT is the only position we haven't brought in during FA.

They did bring in Amon Gordon to make four DT's. Not much, but he's a Body ;D

9. Shanahan stated last year that he really like Henderson and Stroud in Jax, and how successfully they been against Indy.

Yes, he did. Does that mean he is going to draft Ngata though? I do not think so. Only way they get him is if he falls and they can not trade out of that pick. If he falls to 15 though other teams will give up a lot to get him IMHO though.

[DrFate]

We have, most likely, the worst RB corps in the league right now. We are looking at Dayne and Bell as our primary, every down, win the game backs.

That is a recipe for disaster. It MUST be White or Williams at 15. Whichever one the FO likes most.

[Mediator12]

We have, most likely, the worst RB corps in the league right now. We are looking at Dayne and Bell as our primary, every down, win the game backs.

That is a recipe for disaster. It MUST be White or Williams at 15. Whichever one the FO likes most.

Just like I am sure teams said Denver could not run with late round guys like Gary, Davis, and Anderson ??? If you had said TE, I think I might just agree with you.

[elsid13]

Med-

I think you are misreading my orginal post, that the arguement that White should be taken over Ngata or Huff if all three were sitting there. Between the three I still say you go Ngata over White for my reason above. I rather attempt to get top 10 talent for line play above running back in the first. Beside everyone is acting like the running game is pre-Shanahan around, we had many problem but running the ball ain't it.

[SoCalBronco]

Med-

I think you are misreading my orginal post, that the arguement that White should be taken over Ngata or Huff if all three were sitting there. Between the three I still say you go Ngata over White for my reason above. I rather attempt to get top 10 talent for line play above running back in the first. Beside everyone is acting like the running game is pre-Shanahan around, we had many problem but running the ball ain't it.

The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs were nothing special at all in the running game. MA looked old and tired and STILL Tatum and Dayne couldnt beat him out.

I will be very angry if we dont come out of this draft with White.

[Requiem]

he Requiem is there any news on the Broncos intrest in Wroten,Bullocks,(Omar)Jacobs,Adeyanju & Norwood

Not that I've heard of, it does seem the Broncos like Bullocks and Norwood though. Haven't heard much in relation to Claude, Omar or Victor.

[ludo21]

Great stuff Med. Personally I hope we pick up a solid gaurd. I think that would help seal up the line and queue up depth to be ready to replace Nalen.

We're less then a week away people and I have a feeling this draft is going to be a fun one to watch. :D

AHHHHHHHHHH


MAN I AM GETTING EXCITED!!!

ty, Requeim for all the goodies, PLEASE keep them coming, i just might make it to draft day :)

[bpc]

Two things here... didn't MA, Bell and our running game still finish 2nd in the league in rushing? I consider Dayne a improvement over an aging MA. Don't get me wrong, I still like 1 back over RBBC however we will be fine with that in the regular season... we still won 13 games last year with that approach. We will just never win the super bowl.

I think if Ngata was there at 15 and we pass him up, we might as well shoot ourselves as an organization. Sure, he isn't a Mario Williams type pass rushing phenom however there is a lot that can come from having two behemoths like him and Warren sitting in the middle of our defense collapsing offensive lines in the run and pass games. Its going to push QB's outside where our speed can be a little bit more effective. I would love to land Ngata and Hali with our first two picks... ha ha, its a dream but man, stranger things have happened.

[Ray Finkle]

The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs were nothing special at all in the running game. MA looked old and tired and STILL Tatum and Dayne couldnt beat him out.

I will be very angry if we dont come out of this draft with White.


nothing I have seen/read gives me any hope that the Broncos will draft White...

[DrFate]

Just like I am sure teams said Denver could not run with late round guys like Gary, Davis, and Anderson ??? If you had said TE, I think I might just agree with you.

I am pretty sure our TE corps IS the worst in the league, so we'll go ahead and agree on that.

I just get bowled over by this notion that we can plug in any guy with a pulse and be successful on the ground. What would be wrong with actually getting a real NFL-caliber running back and plugging him into 'the system'?? Maybe if we had a decent running back we would not get blown out in the playoffs 3 years in a row.

(and yes, we DO need more pass rush - but I don't think we get that with a DT)

[elsid13]

The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs were nothing special at all in the running game. MA looked old and tired and STILL Tatum and Dayne couldnt beat him out.

I will be very angry if we dont come out of this draft with White.


And you think a rookie running back that doesn't seem to understand how to get in shape is going to help late in the year? Forget the normal rookie wall of 12 games, White needs to get his crap together and learn what it takes to be a pro to not be tired after 6.

A lot of folks say just watch the tape on White and you see how good he is. What I saw is very good offense line, very good passing attack and and runner that usually had very big holes to get ahead of steam going. In the NFL, I doubt if White has the ability to hit the hole at the next level and be successful.

[Rohirrim]

And you think a rookie running back that doesn't seem to understand how to get in shape is going to help late in the year? Forget the normal rookie wall of 12 games, White needs to get his crap together and learn what it takes to be a pro to not be tired after 6.

A lot of folks say just watch the tape on White and you see how good he is. What I saw is very good offense line, very good passing attack and and runner that usually had very big holes to get ahead of steam going. In the NFL, I would if White has the ability to hit the hole at the next level and be successful.

Thankfully, the Broncos have one of the greatest talent evaluators for RB in the league in Bobby Turner.

[elsid13]

Thankfully, the Broncos have one of the greatest talent evaluators for RB in the league in Bobby Turner.


I glad that we have Turner, Dennison and Shanahan over everyone on the board to many the choice at running back too ;D

[Paladin]

Pass rushing DE might be available in later rounds. If Ngata or Bunkley is there, man you gotta take one, and go for a rusher later. There are several in for later in the draft according to the Post article this a.m.

If Denver is forced to sit there at 15, I think they would go for the BAA regardless of positon. Whether that would be White, I don't know.

[azbroncfan]

The 2nd half of the season and the playoffs were nothing special at all in the running game. MA looked old and tired and STILL Tatum and Dayne couldnt beat him out.

I will be very angry if we dont come out of this draft with White.

I think you are going to be very upset next saturday.

[CBF1]

I am also on the Ngata if he is there bandwagon. This guy is a man and mean as a pit viper. Who would opposing teams double between him and Warren? This would leave our DE's in single coverage with the middle being totally clogged up and our LB's free to fill the gaps untouched making them even that much more valuable.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Thankfully, the Broncos have one of the greatest talent evaluators for RB in the league in Bobby Turner.

Clarett ;D

[SoCalBronco]

I think you are going to be very upset next saturday.

Oh I dont doubt that. And im sure it will extend far beyond the issue of White.

[JCMElway]

Med,

My argument is as follow for Ngata over White.

1. Denver rotates it line, so Ngata stamia isn't a issue. Plus Ngata wasn't real able to train like should have last year because of family issues. He more then just 2 down player, etc.....


Well stated!

[NFLBRONCO]

I was listening to sports overtime and they had Denver Post guy on. He said, I highly doubt Denver will take White because the hometown thing and injury.

[ludo21]

I was listening to sports overtime and they had Denver Post guy on. He said, I highly doubt Denver will take White because the hometown thing and injury.


I highly doubt we draft RB in round 1, we NEVER do! LEndale would be a solid pick in the 20's and at 15 for that matter, but i just cant see Shanny doing that. I know what our team can be like with an elite RB, but we are also very good with joe schmo back there as well.....so i have no idea what we will do.Ha!

[footstepsfrom#27]

Oh I dont doubt that. And im sure it will extend far beyond the issue of White.
SoCal...why don't you like DeAngelo Williams if we go RB in round one? From what I've seen of White, this kid ran behind and ENORMOUS offensive line at USC that cleared huge holes in a straight ahead power blocking scheme. Does he have the vision, quickness or accelleration to be a one-cut-and-go back who sees the hole before it opens and hits it immediately or is he going to be what MA appeared to be over the last half of last season...a guy who is to slow to consistently gain yards in the stretch zone?

Williams has been super productive, has a chiselled, muscular body with virtually no fat, can catch the ball and he's explosive. He reminds me of Priest Holmes. He's got the same size as Emmit Smith, and the balance and running style that I think would be more appropriate for this offense. Maybe more importantly, he's got no character issues and is a super hard worker. If we have to go RB at 15, I believe I prefer DW2 over White.

Thoughts?

[phisig150]

SoCal...why don't you like DeAngelo Williams if we go RB in round one? From what I've seen of White, this kid ran behind and ENORMOUS offensive line at USC that cleared huge holes in a straight ahead power blocking scheme. Does he have the vision, quickness or accelleration to be a one-cut-and-go back who sees the hole before it opens and hits it immediately or is he going to be what MA appeared to be over the last half of last season...a guy who is to slow to consistently gain yards in the stretch zone?

Williams has been super productive, has a chiselled, muscular body with virtually no fat, can catch the ball and he's explosive. He reminds me of Priest Holmes. He's got the same size as Emmit Smith, and the balance and running style that I think would be more appropriate for this offense. Maybe more importantly, he's got no character issues and is a super hard worker. If we have to go RB at 15, I believe I prefer DW2 over White.

Thoughts?
How "fast" was Davis? 40 time is great and all but actual game speed is what is important. White has that in spades. Watch the Rose Bowl game if you don't have it I have a tape if you want to borrow it. What I saw was that "fatass" tearing up the field on a pretty good Texas d. He made Huff look like a straight up bitch with that stiff arm he threw on him yet huff is considered the best saftey prospect. White was also heavier for that game than he is now. With a little NFL conditioning this guy will be a beast. People seem to forget this guy was an elite back on the best team in the nation that won 37 in a row, but I guess the combine means everything, forget people's actual college careers. Why don't we stop wasting time and send high school seniors straight to the combine since actual games mean so little.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal...why don't you like DeAngelo Williams if we go RB in round one? From what I've seen of White, this kid ran behind and ENORMOUS offensive line at USC that cleared huge holes in a straight ahead power blocking scheme. Does he have the vision, quickness or accelleration to be a one-cut-and-go back who sees the hole before it opens and hits it immediately or is he going to be what MA appeared to be over the last half of last season...a guy who is to slow to consistently gain yards in the stretch zone?

Williams has been super productive, has a chiselled, muscular body with virtually no fat, can catch the ball and he's explosive. He reminds me of Priest Holmes. He's got the same size as Emmit Smith, and the balance and running style that I think would be more appropriate for this offense. Maybe more importantly, he's got no character issues and is a super hard worker. If we have to go RB at 15, I believe I prefer DW2 over White.

Thoughts?

I like DW2...in fact, in my top 3 targets at 15 that I have listed several times, I have him there (with White and Bunkley), although I like White better. DW2 is a fine back, with great vision and he can do alot of things, including run inside, although White does that better. Shanny's system depends on that inside run game quite a bit (even CP, while a small guy could execute this stuff well). I think highly of DW2, I just like White better, thats all (Perhaps its an exaggeration to say i would be pissed with anyone but White, since DW2 is amongst my top 3 at that slot, but I just feel that it is a perfect fit and there is no need for anyone else, not necessarily that anyone else would be unacceptable). I would be pleased with DW2 at 15. I actually wouldnt mind Maroney either, since he is already well versed in the scheme, although its a tad high at 15, still it would be acceptable.

[footstepsfrom#27]

How "fast" was Davis? 40 time is great and all but actual game speed is what is important. White has that in spades. Watch the Rose Bowl game if you don't have it I have a tape if you want to borrow it. What I saw was that "fatass" tearing up the field on a pretty good Texas d. He made Huff look like a straight up b**** with that stiff arm he threw on him yet huff is considered the best saftey prospect. White was also heavier for that game than he is now. With a little NFL conditioning this guy will be a beast. People seem to forget this guy was an elite back on the best team in the nation that won 37 in a row, but I guess the combine means everything, forget people's actual college careers. Why don't we stop wasting time and send high school seniors straight to the combine since actual games mean so little.
Davis ran in the 4.6 range, but that's really irrelevant, since I mentioned nothing about White's 40 time. I'm more interested in how he ACCELERATES through the hole, wheather he has the vision to see a seam opening in the defense before it happens, and how he cuts back against the flow of the defense. He ran behind a system at USC with probably college footballs biggest and best offensive line clearing big holes. Can he also run behind a line that's about 30 pounds per man smaller? One in which he has no predetermined hole to run through but has to fine his own? I don't know if he can or not. I'm not saying he can't, but I don't think he's had to do so yet.

When I watch DW2, admittedly I've not seen much of Memphis play, but in highlights of this kid I've seen, he appears to be the same kind of back Emmit Smith was...balance...vision...strong acceleration through the hole...powerfully built...a good blocker and receiver. I'm concerned about the reports of White's work ethic and possible character issues too; and no such issues apparently exist for Williams that we know of. On talent alone it may be even, but when considering how each fits in this system, I'm wondering if Williams isn't better suited for us. And that's before we get to the issues of White's attitude, work ethic and possible injury.

[Mediator12]

I am pretty sure our TE corps IS the worst in the league, so we'll go ahead and agree on that.

I just get bowled over by this notion that we can plug in any guy with a pulse and be successful on the ground. What would be wrong with actually getting a real NFL-caliber running back and plugging him into 'the system'?? Maybe if we had a decent running back we would not get blown out in the playoffs 3 years in a row.

(and yes, we DO need more pass rush - but I don't think we get that with a DT)

Well, I looked it up and CIN, CHI, CAR, SF, BUF,ARI, and JAX are all anticipated to address poor TE's in the first Day. The Bolded teams pick in the top 10, and the rest before 61. Those five or six deep TE's may be off the board if DEN does not get one at 37.

There have been two years without quality DE's in the first of the draft. Next year is even worse as far as I have seen. It is going to be hard to really address the need positions in this draft with weak classes in the highest needs and alot of people drafting for the same needs in deeper positions because of that as well.

[Mediator12]

Boy, would I like to see that guy in the O&B next year. Unfortunately, I have a friend who is a Notre Dame alum and former Fighting Irish player who's a booster and spends time on campus. He said it's pretty much a done deal that Jeff wants to play major league baseball.

Yeah, he wants to play MLB but I have heard scouts think he is an average BB player. He may want to play BB, but he has a future in football. Now, is he smart enough to understand this? Maybe not. I hope he plays Football, but if he chooses BB he will be back after two or three years in AA ball in some god forsaken place.

[Drek]

Yeah, he wants to play MLB but I have heard scouts think he is an average BB player. He may want to play BB, but he has a future in football. Now, is he smart enough to understand this? Maybe not. I hope he plays Football, but if he chooses BB he will be back after two or three years in AA ball in some god forsaken place.
Samardjza won't play a day of pro baseball. You can write that down, its a damn fact. He got a scholarship to ND for football and just walked onto the baseball team. He surprised some people by being a quality pitcher, but he has high 80's heat and is right handed. Sure, his frame makes him look promising, but at 21 or 22 he's too old to view as a developmental prospect worth a high selection. He won't go until round 15-20, probably later, in the MLB draft, which won't compare to his NFL draft location, first day easily, first round with another good year.

The baseball talk started a few years ago when his football career looked like it would never take off. He'd been doing well in baseball so he and his father shifted their focus regarding what he'd do after college. Weiss revitalized his NFL possibilities last year though. Make no mistake, Samardzja chose football over baseball when he went to Notre Dame, at the time he committed he had never talked with then head football coach Ty Willingham about possibly playing both sports, and the ND baseball coach had never heard his name. He simply isn't the same level prospect as a baseball player and would need a lot of work before he'd be ready for even the high minors. Its simply not a feasable career when football is on the table, offering much more much faster.

As for TE, yeah, its definately our biggest need. Fasano would be great because he can start immediately. I'd like to grab Tony Scheffler in Rd. 4 as well though, he has all the tools to develop into an all world TE, just needs a lot of coaching.

[Steve Sewell]

Trading down from 15 is stupid and if Shanny does this, he's stockpiling too many picks.

Just take DeAngelo Williams at 15 and forgoe Drew.

All I can say is "Amen". D Williams is the real deal at #15 and would be our feature back for 6-8 years. It will be like having two LaDanian Tomlinson's in the AFC West- and we all know which is the better team...

[Steve Sewell]

SoCal...why don't you like DeAngelo Williams if we go RB in round one? From what I've seen of White, this kid ran behind and ENORMOUS offensive line at USC that cleared huge holes in a straight ahead power blocking scheme. Does he have the vision, quickness or accelleration to be a one-cut-and-go back who sees the hole before it opens and hits it immediately or is he going to be what MA appeared to be over the last half of last season...a guy who is to slow to consistently gain yards in the stretch zone?

Williams has been super productive, has a chiselled, muscular body with virtually no fat, can catch the ball and he's explosive. He reminds me of Priest Holmes. He's got the same size as Emmit Smith, and the balance and running style that I think would be more appropriate for this offense. Maybe more importantly, he's got no character issues and is a super hard worker. If we have to go RB at 15, I believe I prefer DW2 over White.

Thoughts?

He had a monster game vs. Tejas, and Tejas has basically pro lineman all along their d-line. His game film is undeniable IMO. However, I don't know if he'd be a good fit attitude-wise, especially with his family living in Denver. I am a CU fan and while he was being recruited in HS his dad gained the reputation of being a big time a-hole to deal with. I don't think it would be a good mix to have White and his dad together in Denver. We'd see holdouts, problems with OTA's, and other issues IMO. Also, White also has not done anything physical to give the Broncos time to evaluation. Finally, I don't think Shanny is going to take another guy with this kind of risk. He got embarrassed with the Clarrett situation last year. Not to say that White is Clarrett, but there is too great a risk for Shanny to take him with a first rounder. If he turned out a bust, Shanny would never hear the end of it regarding Clarrett and White.

[Requiem]

The only "real deal" you're getting with DeAngelo Williams is that he'll end up missing games because of nagging injuries.

[ludo21]

The only "real deal" you're getting with DeAngelo Williams is that he'll end up missing games because of nagging injuries.


He hasnt EVER been healthy.....it is a big concern!

Lendale OTOH is a risk with the hammy,but at least its the only one he has had and it will be over with by TC.

[Steve Sewell]

He hasnt EVER been healthy.....it is a big concern!

Lendale OTOH is a risk with the hammy,but at least its the only one he has had and it will be over with by TC.

Wow, considering that from his Soph through Senior year, he averaged 288 carries, 1780 yards, 6.2 ypc, and 17 TD's per season, he must have ALWAYS been injured.

He had almost 26 carries per game last season and missed one game!

[Mediator12]

The only "real deal" you're getting with DeAngelo Williams is that he'll end up missing games because of nagging injuries.

Eh, no more than Portis did ;D

[Killericon]

I think I've said it on this board a thousand times...but I'm still praying for Vernon Davis. I still think that if we offered Bell/Lelie and the #15 to the Niners, they'll give up Davis.

Assuming THAT'S not gonna happen, I'd wait untill we're on the clock; if Bunkley's off the clock(I don't really want Ngata) then we trade down...probably mid-20s and a late 2nd. Use the mid-20 pick on DW2 and draft Klopfenstein, Jason Allen, and Stovall in the Second round.

I still think that if we got DW2, we trade Bell away, and use Dayne as a backup. I would even use our #15 on him. If we can't get DW2, go for White, and keep Bell, making a duo of the two.

DW2 could be a feature back for us.....I'm sick of this RB by Commitee thing.

DW2, Jason Allen, Klopfenstein, and Stovall. The Perfect 1st two rounds. After that, take JUST Defensive lineman with the rest of the picks...unless we can get Bloom in the 5th or something.

[Drek]

I think I've said it on this board a thousand times...but I'm still praying for Vernon Davis. I still think that if we offered Bell/Lelie and the #15 to the Niners, they'll give up Davis.
We offered both firsts to move up, the 49ers said no. We asked to get 37 from them in exchange for Lelie, they again said no. Now I don't know how they'd value Tatum Bell, but from the looks of it SF is a. not shopping the 6th pick and b. not real interested in Lelie.

Most think the 49ers want Davis themselves, why would they trade away the clear ability to take him?

[labronco]

Let'em have VD. I want VY.

[watermock]

I'm guessing the position would pretty clearly be LB or CB. Yeah, imagine Shanahan having four GMs on the phone at the same time? Ha!

Why would we take a corner at 15 when we have Bailey, two sophmores, Cox and Browner, and Fergy and Lynch? I agree it's a good year for corners, but our plate needs a TE with Putz, House likely gone and Alexander getting old, and a freakin' pass rusher.

Gold and Wilson are still signed, and likely, Wilson will play out his years here. Predator and Burns can also play MLB, or even DJ if Wilson goes down.

The needs are TE and DE with a RG and possible BPavailable. CB and LB are the two positions we don't need anything IMO.

[watermock]

Do you think if we move down from 15 it will happen on draft day and not days before?

IMO, we have alot of projects allready. We are not short but long on picks, not long on potential stars, but long on projects. There is no reason to move down yet again to get 10 players if Lelie gets traded. It's logical to move Lelie and maybe a 4th for Walker then get Hester in the early 4th.

[Rohirrim]

Why would we take a corner at 15 when we have Bailey, two sophmores, Cox and Browner, and Fergy and Lynch? I agree it's a good year for corners, but our plate needs a TE with Putz, House likely gone and Alexander getting old, and a freakin' pass rusher.

Gold and Wilson are still signed, and likely, Wilson will play out his years here. Predator and Burns can also play MLB, or even DJ if Wilson goes down.

The needs are TE and DE with a RG and possible BPavailable. CB and LB are the two positions we don't need anything IMO.

You missed my point. The Broncos don't have a high priority for LB and don't really need a CB, but they are sitting right on the spot in the draft (15) where many of the premium guys at those positions are going to start coming off. It's likely somebody will want to trade up for Cromartie, JW, Sims, Greenway, etc. Shanahan could end up with four GMs on the phone and be able to pick the best deal, or stand pat if somebody he really likes is still on the board. To reach at that pick, with the setup the Broncos have right now, would be a friggin crime.

[chaz]

Hali, Fasano, Stovall in the 1st three picks would work for me.



tamba hali does not deserve the 15th....no way...

[Rohirrim]

tamba hali does not deserve the 15th....no way...

Why not?

[chaz]

Thankfully, the Broncos have one of the greatest talent evaluators for RB in the league in Bobby Turner.



ya, good job on clarett....making us all proud


dont get me wrong, i know turner's one of the best, but he isnt perfect

[chaz]

Why not?


i honestly havent seen too much of his game tape, so i dont want you make you think i know more than i do, but from what i have gathered, he originally was going to be picked in the 20's, and after a bad proday he is most likely dropping into the second....my bet is that he is there for our first pick in the second if we really want him

[Rohirrim]

ya, good job on clarett....making us all proud


dont get me wrong, i know turner's one of the best, but he isnt perfect

Clarett was just a roll of the dice on a comp pick. It wasn't Bobby or Shanahan's or Sundquists fault that he didn't work out. It was his fault. He had talent. He had a chance to prove it. He crapped out.

[Requiem]

I just thought I'd add, I caught someone trying to pass off my work as their own on another forum. What a shame. :D

[Paladin]

If Hali is there, and he is the best that's up there at the time, what the heck, take him. Value will come as he gets experience.


That whole MoC thing was just a stupid lark on a comp pick that didn't mean a thing. If it had worked out, great. If not, it didn't cost a darn thing except a few days' room and board. At one time MoC was touted as having some talent and it seemed to me to be a non-cost risk to take at the time. Didn't work out, but that is not any different than a whole bunch of other draft picks that didn't work out for the Broncos and for other teams in the league. How is it that a failed pick in Denver is different than a failed pick elsewhere? Give that one up, already.

[Ballhawk]

ya, good job on clarett....making us all proud


dont get me wrong, i know turner's one of the best, but he isnt perfect

Turner saw real talent with Clarett and thought he could turn the kids life around. Shanny gave him a shot, which he deserved for all the hits he has had.

To Shanny's credit he never once pointed a finger at Turner during the whole fiasco.

[Paladin]

True. He admitted it didn't work out and moved on.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

That whole MoC thing was just a stupid lark on a comp pick that didn't mean a thing. If it had worked out, great. If not, it didn't cost a darn thing except a few days' room and board. .

Palidin, I can't agree with this. Every pick is valuable and good players were left on the baord at that point. Teams don't just play roulette with their picks.

[Paladin]

Didn't mean to imply that it wasn't a serious effort to get talent. I think the Broncos were sincere in their beliefs and took a shot at it and it didn't work. Nothing more to it. Wasted pick? In retrospect, yeah. At the time? Maybe not. No different than picking a kicker (Harris) who didn't work out. Lots of potential all-pros taken after him, now wasn't there?



Moving on, now.

[Rascal]

From packers.com

On potentially trading his first-round pick, and whether he has entertained offers for WR Javon Walker:
"I wouldn't comment on anything specific. We do get calls from teams from time to time, all over - going back, going forward - and that's normal. I imagine we'll get a call from all 31 teams before draft day, saying, 'If you guys would be interested in coming back, we might be interested in coming forward, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It depends on what's there.' And we do the same thing: 'Well, we might, maybe we will, maybe we won't.' Nobody knows because you don't know the circumstances when it gets to be your pick. You don't know the circumstances when it gets to be Pick No. 3 and you decide you should move."

On Javon Walker:
"I've spoken with Javon over the course of the spring. I think I'll let the original statement that we put out stand there. I know that things get said from time to time and I think the less said on something like that, the better.

"I wouldn't presume to speak for Javon. Javon's a very bright young man and well thought of here, so I'll just leave it at that.

On whether Walker will ever play in Green Bay:
"That would be presumptuous of me to guess."

On whether the team would welcome Javon back:
"I would. I'm sure the team would. He's very well liked here. I assume you guys would agree with me."

I guess we won't be seeing Walker move until actual draft day if not during the draft.

[chaz]

Turner saw real talent with Clarett and thought he could turn the kids life around. Shanny gave him a shot, which he deserved for all the hits he has had.

To Shanny's credit he never once pointed a finger at Turner during the whole fiasco.


obviously they saw talent...every one of us saw talent in the nat'l championship, and you dotn draft someone who is completely devoid of talent...so that is obvious that he showed potential.

im not down on turner or shanahan, you win some you lose some, gotta take chances if you want to be great. just pointing out that they are not perfect, as you are all well aware of.

[R8R H8R]

obviously they saw talent...every one of us saw talent in the nat'l championship, and you dotn draft someone who is completely devoid of talent...so that is obvious that he showed potential.

im not down on turner or shanahan, you win some you lose some, gotta take chances if you want to be great. just pointing out that they are not perfect, as you are all well aware of.

Nobody is saying they are perfect, they have made their share of mistakes, for sure. However, even the most casual football observer would have to admit that Shanny & Turner are amongst the best, if not the best, in evaluating RB talent, for thier system.

I know they make gaffs from time to time, but when it comes to RB's, I give them the benefit of the doubt. Which is why I wasn't overly upset over the Clarett pick.

[Kaylore]

I just thought I'd add, I caught someone trying to pass off my work as their own on another forum. What a shame. :D
Link it! I want to see who. That happened to me with my camp reports last year and the poster even had the audacity to field questions from the other posters like he was there.

[Goobzilla]

John Clayton was just on here in Seattle and he said Broncos are looking at

a. Holmes
b. Lawson
c. Trade down

He thought b or c more likely since Denver asks a lot of their recievers in regards to blocking. He also said Hali slides into the early 2nd.

[BroncoInferno]

John Clayton was just on here in Seattle and he said Broncos are looking at

a. Holmes
b. Lawson
c. Trade down

He thought b or c more likely since Denver asks a lot of their recievers in regards to blocking. He also said Hali slides into the early 2nd.

I'd be OK with b or c, and I'm starting to come around on a. Just no C Jackson, please.