What do the Broncos need to draft at 15?

[crazyhorse]

If you had to choose between these 2 positions, which would it be.

Who and why?

[Tombstone RJ]

Best available player, regardless of position.

[crazyhorse]

Best available player, regardless of position.

Okay. But if you had to chose one of the 2 listed, what and who would it be?

[Tombstone RJ]

Defensive line, for obvious reasons.

[Orange_Beard]

Best available player, regardless of position.


Agree.

[watermock]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/81866/funny_cats_2/

speed rusher or a fat cat to clog the middle for Wilson

[crazyhorse]

It does seem rather obvious. However, there has been a lot of talk about the WRs. With Lelie being on the trading block, I thought I would get a pulse of the board one week before the daft.

[LDB]

It depends on what they decide to do with Walker. If they trade for Walker, then I don't see a point in picking up a WR.

I don't think that they should waste a pick on a position that they don't have a need for.

I think that their biggest need is on the d line.

Why leave RB off the list?

[Orange_Beard]

A wideout, Trade for Walker, we need someone proven.

[crazyhorse]

It depends on what they decide to do with Walker. If they trade for Walker, then I don't see a point in picking up a WR.

I don't think that they should waste a pick on a position that they don't have a need for.

I think that their biggest need is on the d line.

Why leave RB off the list?

I could have put RB on there as well as TE. But I was just putting up the 2 maost talked about. Davis has been talked about quite a bit, too. I probably should have put TE up there. But figured Davis will be off the board. Thusly making the push for TE behind DE and WR.

[Tombstone RJ]

It does seem rather obvious. However, there has been a lot of talk about the WRs. With Lelie being on the trading block, I thought I would get a pulse of the board one week before the daft.

I'm really not all that worried about the WR depth of the Broncos.

[Florida_Bronco]

D-line is what we need.

[27atwater]

hmmm, of these 2 options, i'm not sure. if we get santonio, we can hope for mccargo, jon lewis, wroten etc in round 2. If we land a bunkley, we have stovall, moss, jennings, marshall as possibilities later on.

I guess go Santonio and draft a DT or 2 later.

[LDB]

I could have put RB on there as well as TE. But I was just putting up the 2 maost talked about. Davis has been talked about quite a bit, too. I probably should have put TE up there. But figured Davis will be off the board. Thusly making the push for TE behind DE and WR.

I see. If we moved into the top 5 picks what position do you think we would go for? I know we won't make such a move...just a hypothetical.

I really worry about picking up a WR in the first round. Doesn't seem to work out very often. I would rather pick up the best available player (which I believe will be a RB) and fill in DL, WR, and TE later in the draft.

[watermock]

If Winston Justice somehow drops to us, we take him.

[crazyhorse]

I see. If we moved into the top 5 picks what position do you think we would go for? I know we won't make such a move...just a hypothetical.

I really worry about picking up a WR in the first round. Doesn't seem to work out very often. I would rather pick up the best available player (which I believe will be a RB) and fill in DL, WR, and TE later in the draft.

Though that would put you in the Davis sweepstakes, it's tough for me to imagine Denver commiting that kind of money to the TE position. So I would say QB. It really is tough to spend a draft pick that high on the lower income players. That's why you see so many DL, OL, QB, and some RBs taken in the top 5. But who knows.

Of course, I would make a pretty hefty wager bettin the Broncos wont trade up that high. It would cost them pretty much thier whole draft to trade that high. Thusly insuring that TE wouldn't be who they were targeting.

[Play2win]

DT or Offensive Firepower, other than WR...

WR we can pick up in the 2nd and 3rd round that might (probably) would be more productive in our system...

This draft, this year, DT or RB...

[broncohaven]

We need a real edge rusher. Manny Lawson.

[crazyhorse]

What's the deal?

None of the pro-WR crowd willing to step up and vote? Or was I mistaken with all the Jackson/Holmes talk on this board? ???

[footstepsfrom#27]

Is this a joke? Only Cleveland and New Orleans had fewer sacks last year. The receivers in this draft are mediocre at best. If Manny Lawson is there I take him in a New York second. I'll toss my cookies if we draft a receiver above the 3rd round in this draft.

[Rohirrim]

I still say, sit at 15 and hope that Halati, Huff or Bunkley fall to them. If they don't, take Lendale or Tamba. NO WRs IN THE FIRST!

[IHaveALight]

Depends on who is available. If Ngata, Bunkley or Lawson are there I hope we take 'em. If there all gone maybe even Wimbley. I do not want Hali or Kiwi at 15 though.

[watermock]

http://www.bangcartoon.com/wp-content/avatars/godzilla.jpg

There might be a few street free agents out there.

http://www.cinemastrikesback.com/news/daily/king-kong-1000-4.jpg

[bpc]

So simple... best player available.

[cabronco]

Best available DE, or DT. Pleez..

[footstepsfrom#27]

So simple... best player available.
Agreed...if Lawson is there he's the BPA...though I'd be tempted if Bunkley or Ngatu slid down there as well. One way or the other, we have to come out of this draft with D-line help; and I don't mean in the 4th round either.

[Kaylore]

Of the two options I'd say defensive lineman since there really aren't any wide-outs worth the 15th spot.

[Kaylore]

What's the deal?

None of the pro-WR crowd willing to step up and vote? Or was I mistaken with all the Jackson/Holmes talk on this board? ???
It's about the value of those receivers. Most here believe that they stand out because the class is so small and had they come out last year, talk of them being picked before selection twenty would have ridiculous.

[anon]

A good passrushing DL can make a mediocre secondary look good.

A bad passrushing DL can make a good secondary look mediocre.

Let's stop wasting our linebacking/defensive back talent.

[Crushaholic]

We need a speed rusher to replace (and upgrade) Pryce now. WR is not our most IMMEDIATE need...

I've been on the Brodrick Bunkley bandwagon for awhile. Manny Lawson is intriguing, as well...

[Emancipator2]

The Broncos need to draft a top notch pass rusher and run stopper on defense. That should be Denver's 15 pick.

However, some of their moves point to Denver looking at going after a WR. From the looks of their inability to move up to 3 and 5 may show that the Broncos may have been targeting even a QB. The only reason to move up that far is to take a QB..........but I guess they have to look at the future.

I hope they get a DE at 15.

[Cito Pelon]

Best available player, regardless of position.

That's hard to argue with. I'd narrow it down to say safety, RB, LB, DE, OT, QB for this year. In other years you maybe adjust the range of BAP's you're looking at. In the new NFL, you better get some stud every year in the first round, because they come one hell of a lot cheper than FA studs.

[Cito Pelon]

D-line is what we need.

I'd rate DL as one of the lower options. I'm curious to see what CB can do this year. The guy couldn't train last year at all. Came into camp without being able to run (foot), then couldn't lift because of the elbow. Now he's healthy. So he was lacking in strength or stamina right off the bat. Could be a good year for CB.

[bpc]

If Ngata or Bunkley fall, this is a no brainer. You take a potential difference maker and pair them up with Gerrard Warren.

I'm hoping that we either A. Trade up for Vernon, or B. hope that Bunkley or Ngata fall to us. I think those are the logical two that will fall if we haven't traded up already.

Besides that I'll support the front office. I just hope we don't reach for need. Every time we do that... Marcus Nash comes up... or William Middlebrooks comes up.

If Jimmy Williams is the best guy, I hope we take him.

[listopencil]

Best D-Lineman available.

[youcandoit1687]

chad jackson, if hes not there manny lawson(reach or not he will be great). no DTs, way too much of a gamble plus lots available at 61 or 68. wright, wroten, watson, mccargo

[broncos_mtnman]

I couldn't vote. You didn't include QB.

Draft Jay Cutler!!

[WABronco]

I couldn't vote. You didn't include QB.

Draft Jay Cutler!!
:deadhorse

I say trade down again to some team between picks 23-26 and select LenDale or DeAngelo!!!

[youcandoit1687]

:deadhorse

I say trade down again to some team between picks 23-26 and select LenDale or DeAngelo!!!

not lendale... laurence or addai, deangelo would be ok but the size scares mea little

[bcbronc]

im all for trading up into the 9-11 range and making sure we can get either ngata or bunkley.

it might be hard to get good value and address a pressing need if we stay at 15. the value just doesnt fit our holes. so if we do stay at 15, bpa that isnt a WR, LB or pure corner works for me.

[youcandoit1687]

why trade for DTs that are a gamble anyways when there are much cheaper DTs later in the round who have the same probability of being succesful. the 9-11 range would be for a dropper like huff or VD, not someone who is project to be drafted a little later. 61/68 is the place for DT , hell even draft two if u want but id prefer that over 37 or 15

[bcbronc]

im not sure a DT is any more of a gamble than a WR is. both have high bust rates. but both ngata and bunkley are legit top 15 prospects. jackson and holmes, on the other hand, benefit greatly from a weak reciever crop.

imo, bunkley or ngata would be a bigger upgrade at their postition than anyone else we will have a shot at with the 15th pick. so if we have to give up our 61 or 68 to make sure we get one, i would be all for it. we would then get one of the top two players at our position of greatest need (imo), and still have a total of 3 first day picks.

[youcandoit1687]

well we can debate all day which one busts more, the fact is they both are more hit and miss than others. IMO, we can mask the DT need with LB blitzes and gerard warren will still do a decent job. WR on the other hand takes a year at best to groom a replacement and we dont know what will happen next year, we could lose both WRs but most likely we WILL lose one, so i see that as more of an immdeiate need UNLESS we draft VD who will cover the weakness of having darius watts as the #2 receiver and allowing us to wait another year for the deep class of next year. i just think DT can be addressed in better places than the first round(2nd round or later or FA) while going deep in the WR draft is very risky and the FAs have already been swooped up.

[Paladin]

Jeez! Talk about a House divided! Some want a speed rusher but would like Ngata or Bunkley who are not speed rushers. Speed rushers should not be taken in the first because they are too small or not first round talent, but someone believes that [.....] is first round talent. Some want to trade up but don't believe it will happen. Some say take the BAA if the Broncos stay at 15, but others say if certain players arn't there, the Broncos should tarde down (never mind the need for a trade partner here), and take (whomever).

Jocularity all around.

Fact is, what the Broncos will do is dependant upon a ranking of players only they have, and further dependant upon whatever trades pop up, and further dependant upon who actually drops where. Gosh. Its all good, I guess.

[ND Bronco Fan]

If there is a good value pick for D-Line at 15 take that............

If not trade #15 to San Fran for their first round pick next year. (Wow are they going to be bad)

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'd take the best D-player on the board unless Deangelo Williams was there... then I'd have a real hard time passing him up....

[azbroncfan]

I'm just going to sit back and see what happens on Sat, in fact I will probably only watch until Denver picks then hit the links and have to see who denver drafted later that night. In shanny I trust.

[bcbronc]

well we can debate all day which one busts more, the fact is they both are more hit and miss than others. IMO, we can mask the DT need with LB blitzes and gerard warren will still do a decent job. WR on the other hand takes a year at best to groom a replacement and we dont know what will happen next year, we could lose both WRs but most likely we WILL lose one, so i see that as more of an immdeiate need UNLESS we draft VD who will cover the weakness of having darius watts as the #2 receiver and allowing us to wait another year for the deep class of next year. i just think DT can be addressed in better places than the first round(2nd round or later or FA) while going deep in the WR draft is very risky and the FAs have already been swooped up.


i dont see WR as the kind of position you need to 'draft n groom'. i mean, you dont want to be behind the 8-ball and be dependant on a rookie to be your #1 guy, but there are other options.

first, i see rod playing at least 2 more years. he may not, but i would be surprised. so we have at least one of our starters for the next couple seasons (it would be nice to have someone bump rod down to #2 though).

ashley may or may not be here. lets assume he leaves as a free agent.

we still have terrell and watts to take a look at this year. terrell has talent, if he can get his head together. watts has shown he can get open, now he just needs to remember how to consitantly hold on to the ball. but he did have 31 catches as a rookie. imo, it makes sense to give these two guys a year with dinger and see what happens. rod has given tons of credit for his own development to dinger, so lets see if he can do something with one or both of these underachievers.

so next off-season the worst case scenerio is that watts and terrell dont cut it, and lelie leaves as a free-agent (i refuse to even consider this being rods last season ;) --side note; this board needs some more smilies, lol!). well then we can make getting a reciever priority #1 then. it seems every off-season 5-10 good to great WRs change teams. and then next season's reciever crop is supposed to be much deeper. so if we strike out with lelie, watts and terrell, we can address WR through next years FA or draft. and of course we can always take one in the 3rd or 4th round this season, where the value is much better.

as for DT talent being their at 61, you do have a point. if shanny and co decide that the talent that would be available to them in the 2nd round is pretty comparable to bunkley or ngate, then it makes no sense to move up. but if they decide that bunkley or ngata are appreciativly better than the rest of the board, moving up to get one should be a priority, imo.

[Hotrod]

Hali will be the pick lets start talking about round #2 ;D

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, I had to change my avatar. I still really like Lendale, but putting everything together, I think the best upgrade for the Broncos, the thing that gets them over that final hump, is defense. The key to D is pass rush. Tamba has a non-stop motor. He plays like a man on fire. Balancing the two needs, I have to go with D.

[Rock Chalk]

A wideout, Trade for Walker, we need someone proven.
Yep, a WR would have helped us beat Pittsburgh last year.

</sarcasm>

[Rascal]

Yeah, I had to change my avatar. I still really like Lendale, but putting everything together, I think the best upgrade for the Broncos, the thing that gets them over that final hump, is defense. The key to D is pass rush. Tamba has a non-stop motor. He plays like a man on fire. Balancing the two needs, I have to go with D.

At least in this forum you talk like a reasonable person. ;D

[Rohirrim]

At least in this forum you talk like a reasonable person. ;D

Hey, I'm always reasonable. I think. :sunshine:

[Play2win]

DW2, Bunkley, Ngata, Hali, Lawson, LenDale...

Any of those will do in the first round... ;D

[phillybroncosnut]

Manny Lawson.... PLEASE!