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Hercules Rockefeller
04-22-2006, 09:52 PM
Can anyone spot the massive error in this article and another semi-minor error that goes along with it?

Vince Young could fall into mid-to-late first round
April 21, 2006 Print it

By War Room scouts
For Sporting News

Back in January, we were the first to write that Vince Young was not the top pick in this draft, was not the top quarterback and perhaps was not even a top-10 pick. Short of Raiders owner Al Davis overruling his scouts and taking Young at No. 7, we're sticking with our early decision.

Young could be this year's Aaron Rodgers, who was in the conversation for the No. 1 pick to San Francisco but dropped all the way to Green Bay at No. 24. Texans officials have brought Young an others to team headquarters, but that's an obvious smokescreen to gain leverage with Bush's representatives in contract negotiations.

Contrary to the media posturing, there isn't much buzz in NFL circles about Young. He is one of the five players invited to Radio City Music Hall to attend the draft, but he could be in for a long, nationally-televised wait in the green room.

The way this draft is shaking out, Young could freefall if Davis doesn't pull the trigger on him at No. 7.

The Cardinals are a potential landing spot at No. 10. Arizona is thin behind aging and injury prone Kurt Warner but are in Year 3 of the Dennis Green regime and are opening a new stadium. The Cardinals need a player to contribute immediately and help get them into the playoffs. Young is a couple years away from being a viable NFL quarterback.

If Young falls past No. 10, where's the next stopping point? We have talked about the link with the Rams' new coach, Scott Linehan, who oversaw the development of Daunte Culpepper as an assistant coach in Minnesota. But with Marc Bulger in place, Gus Frerotte signed as the backup and Ryan Fitzpatrick showing some ability last year as a rookie, quarterback is not a pressing need for St. Louis. The Rams almost certainly will take a defensive player with the 11th pick.

At No. 12, the Browns spent a Day 1 pick last year on what they hope is their quarterback of the future, Charlie Frye. The Ravens (No. 13) do not have time to wait for Young to develop. The Falcons (No. 14) and Eagles (No. 15) both have franchise quarterback in Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb, and neither is near the end of his career. Vick has been slow to develop as a passer, so there is zero reason to think the Falcons would take on a similar project.

That brings us to the Dolphins at No. 16. Despite the trade for Culpepper, the loss of Gus Frerotte and Sage Rosenfels has left a big gap in the depth chart. Miami could be a landing spot for Young. However, with Culpepper coming back from a serious knee injury and possibly unavailable to play early in the season, the Dolphins might opt for Vanderbilt's Jay Cutler, who is a more polished passer and is more comfortable in the pocket and reading defenses.

Minnesota, at No. 17, could be best spot for Young. Brad Johnson, the starter, turns 38 in September, and backup Mike McMahon has NFL starting experience. Johnson and McMahon could give the Vikings time to develop Young's skills and educate him on the NFL game. Would the Vikings use a first-round pick on a player who might not play for two years? With eight picks in the draft, including five of the top 100, the Vikings just might.

Will Young definitely fall into the middle of the first round? Nothing is certain. It's impossible to read the minds of NFL personnel men, especially people like Davis, who don't speak much this time of year (and if they do, it's rarely truthful).

Young's inability to contribute in 2006, the lack of quality depth at several positions in this draft class and the needs of various teams in the first round could come together to create this year's perfect storm to cause an elite player to slide down the board. And this storyline could play out for hours and hours as the cameras focus on Young sitting alone in the green room. Or somebody could shock us all at take him early.

War Room scouts analyze NFL and college players, coaches and teams for the Sporting News.

Paladin
04-22-2006, 10:01 PM
The Broncos are at 15, not the Iggles. But that doesn not mean that VY is coming to Denver. There may be another error in there, but I am too tired right now to ferret it out.

eddie mac
04-22-2006, 10:11 PM
They have the Falcons at 14. They have no 1st rounder.
Eagles are 14, Broncos are 15. Never mentioned the Broncos at all considering our so called back-up QB.

Kaylore
04-22-2006, 10:56 PM
VY would be a perfect fit for us. He's like super a charged version of BVP except he can throw too.

ludo21
04-22-2006, 10:59 PM
VY would be a perfect fit for us. He's like super a charged version of BVP except he can throw too.


I would be REALLY excited with VY. Even tho he would rot on the bench for a year or 2, it would be perfect for him to learn the system, then come out firing away when Jake is gone.

......NOW im REALLY excited for the draft.:sunshine:

NFLBRONCO
04-22-2006, 10:59 PM
I'd love to see VY or Cutler available at 15 and see if Denver would bite.

SoCalBronco
04-23-2006, 01:02 PM
Shanny has already made it known that he LOVES VY. If he is there at 15, it would be a no-brainer.

Rohirrim
04-23-2006, 01:09 PM
VY won't get past the Ravens. (fingers crossed)

Play2win
04-23-2006, 01:12 PM
Shanny has already made it known that he LOVES VY. If he is there at 15, it would be a no-brainer.
smoke and mirrors...

BritBronco Maniac
04-23-2006, 01:55 PM
VY could easily be a huge bust, out of the three he is probably the most likely to flop horribly, however the upside would make him a no brainer at no.15
I seriously doubt he will fall out of the top 10 though.

labronco
04-23-2006, 03:57 PM
VY could easily be a huge bust, out of the three he is probably the most likely to flop horribly, however the upside would make him a no brainer at no.15
I seriously doubt he will fall out of the top 10 though.

VY will be a superstar. Comparing him to Jake or BVP is unfair. I think VY's passing skills are vastly underrated.

We should have traded up to get him. A gamble for sure, but for a team looking for a post-Elway QB, he fits the profile and worth it. I guess we can still move up.

Killericon
04-23-2006, 04:20 PM
If he's at 15(He won't be) then let's go for him. We need a good Backup anyways.

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 12:04 AM
If VY was/is available at #15 and we passed on him I'd be very concerned how the rest of the weekend was going to turn out!!!


Seriously. I'm not talking about just VY. I'm talking about stupid decisions on draft day. I'm close to begging here. Please don't get cute this year! If we're drafting #37 and we want a TE don't draft Joe Schmo w/Lewis on the board and tell me that you have him rated higher. I'm sick of that shiat. Don't draft Roscoe Coltrain at 68 and tell me he has a higher ceiling than Derek Hagan. For once draft the guys that have produced in college. Draft the guys that may not all turn out to be Marvin Harrison or Antonio Gates... but they'll atleast make the team for the next 4 years!!!

This draft is IMPORTANT. DO NOT F*** this one up!

SoCalBronco
04-24-2006, 12:34 AM
If VY was/is available at #15 and we passed on him I'd be very concerned how the rest of the weekend was going to turn out!!!

Your not already greatly concerned about how the weekend is going to turn out?

Seriously. I'm not talking about just VY. I'm talking about stupid decisions on draft day. I'm close to begging here. Please don't get cute this year!

Dont hold your breath. Its a given that Shanny will **** up at least 2 valuable picks. Total piss aways. We can both beg till we turn blue (or until Bob gets laid) and nothing will change. This isnt to say Shanny is a terrible drafter, we have a decent trend on day 1 the last few years, but the messups have been just total wipeouts and a little too frequent for comfort.

If we're drafting #37 and we want a TE don't draft Joe Schmo w/Lewis on the board and tell me that you have him rated higher. I'm sick of that shiat.

LOL.....This has become the norm for our team. I cant believe that you havent already accepted that this will happen. Like I said, total piss aways. Maybe im just in a bad mood tonight, but its not a good thing when you find yourself getting angrier and angrier and more fearful as the draft approaches when I should be getting more excited.

Don't draft Roscoe Coltrain at 68 and tell me he has a higher ceiling than Derek Hagan. For once draft the guys that have produced in college. Draft the guys that may not all turn out to be Marvin Harrison or Antonio Gates... but they'll atleast make the team for the next 4 years!!!

This draft is IMPORTANT. DO NOT **** this one up!

Amen. Preach on Brother Oskie.

Tha rock
04-24-2006, 02:34 AM
sorry ther is no way he makes it past three

broncohaven
04-24-2006, 05:54 AM
If VY is there after pick 7 the Broncos should get their a$$ on the phone to move up. I've said it before, I want one of the 4 freaks available in this draft, and I don't much care how we get him. Young, Davis, Williams (mario), or Lawson. Git 'R Done!

Mediator12
04-24-2006, 07:59 AM
And so could Lienart. Until the draft unfolds, every prospect can drop ;D

Old Dude
04-24-2006, 08:02 AM
You guys have followed this much closer than I, but my superficial impression is that Lendale White is dropping about as fast as anyone.

Mediator12
04-24-2006, 08:12 AM
You guys have followed this much closer than I, but my superficial impression is that Lendale White is dropping about as fast as anyone.

There are several enigmas from this draft to watch. White and Tamba Hali are the anti-workout guys that are supposedly dropping in the media. Unfortunately, they are great Football players getting dissed because the Media does not have all the Info on them they need to evaluate them. The scouts DO have all the info they need however and are certainly not going to release it when they may be able to get a bargain ;D

There are also several workout wonders in this draft. Chad Jackson, Vernon Davis, and several CB's improved their Draft status in the media from great Workouts. The real interesting point is how they graded on film and football character. Justin Miller CB (Clemson) had great Workout numbers last year and dropped substantially from bad football character including an arrest the week before the draft. There could be others who drop for the same reasons and more like Antaj hawthorne who was a potential First rounder until his Marijuana use got him bumped to a sixth rounder and practice squad player. Claude Wroten may be this guy this year.

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 05:57 PM
Originally Posted by OSKIE
If VY was/is available at #15 and we passed on him I'd be very concerned how the rest of the weekend was going to turn out!!!

Your not already greatly concerned about how the weekend is going to turn out?

Seriously. I'm not talking about just VY. I'm talking about stupid decisions on draft day. I'm close to begging here. Please don't get cute this year!

Dont hold your breath. Its a given that Shanny will **** up at least 2 valuable picks. Total piss aways. We can both beg till we turn blue (or until Bob gets laid) and nothing will change. This isnt to say Shanny is a terrible drafter, we have a decent trend on day 1 the last few years, but the messups have been just total wipeouts and a little too frequent for comfort.

If we're drafting #37 and we want a TE don't draft Joe Schmo w/Lewis on the board and tell me that you have him rated higher. I'm sick of that shiat.

.....This has become the norm for our team. I cant believe that you havent already accepted that this will happen. Like I said, total piss aways. Maybe im just in a bad mood tonight, but its not a good thing when you find yourself getting angrier and angrier and more fearful as the draft approaches when I should be getting more excited.

Don't draft Roscoe Coltrain at 68 and tell me he has a higher ceiling than Derek Hagan. For once draft the guys that have produced in college. Draft the guys that may not all turn out to be Marvin Harrison or Antonio Gates... but they'll atleast make the team for the next 4 years!!!

This draft is IMPORTANT. DO NOT **** this one up!

Amen. Preach on Brother Oskie.


SoCal, this was the point when you were supposed to say, "Don't worry Bman, it's an even year, we draft well on even years....."

You're NOT helping to calm my nerves fvck stick!!!

Billy Clyde Puckett
04-24-2006, 07:03 PM
SoCal, this was the point when you were supposed to say, "Don't worry Bman, it's an even year, we draft well on even years....."

You're NOT helping to calm my nerves fvck stick!!!

Maybe we should book him a session with Dr. Phil to turn him back into an optimist. A couple of months ago he was telling us he didn't think he would be able to stand up for a week after this draft. Now he's surfing to find the best price on Viagra. ;D

Ratboy
04-24-2006, 07:08 PM
I'll bash Shanahan and the organization if they take Vince Young. Maurice Clarett and Marcus Nash have more talent then Vince Young.

Billy Clyde Puckett
04-24-2006, 07:31 PM
I'll bash Shanahan and the organization if they take Vince Young. Maurice Clarett and Marcus Nash have more talent then Vince Young.

I didn't think you were old enough to drink Ratboy ;D

Broncoman13
04-24-2006, 10:22 PM
That's about the only comeback I could think of given his post... MoC and Marcus Nash have more talent than VY. WOW, I don't know what else to say???

SoCalBronco
04-24-2006, 10:39 PM
SoCal, this was the point when you were supposed to say, "Don't worry Bman, it's an even year, we draft well on even years....."

You're NOT helping to calm my nerves fvck stick!!!

Your right. It is an even numbered year.

3 selections will be on the roster 2 years from now instead of 1. :thumbsup:

Honestly, I want to be optimistic, but when I read stuff from ESPN's Scouts, Inc. confirmed by Wabbit that Shanny is slobering over Santonio Holmes dick at 15, I wonder why Im investing so much energy and emotion into this if the FO is just going to go out of their way to ruin the draft.

ludo21
04-24-2006, 10:42 PM
Your right. It is an even numbered year.

3 selections will be on the roster 2 years from now instead of 1. :thumbsup:

Honestly, I want to be optimistic, but when I read stuff from ESPN's Scouts, Inc. confirmed by Wabbit that Shanny is slobering over Santonio Holmes dick at 15, I wonder why Im investing so much energy and emotion into this if the FO is just going to go out of their way to ruin the draft.


I too am very critical of C Jack, and Holmes, but i will wait to throw around my emotions till TC and pre season to see how the rooks respond. (just like last years "debacle")

We dont have much reason to trust the team when it comes to the draft, but we may get a stud, so might as well wait till they bust to flame out.

Paladin
04-24-2006, 11:15 PM
I would want to put the whole week into perspective before I take a flyer off the bridge. (Said that for dramatic effect only. The bridge here is only about 3 feet above the 4' deep water.) Take into account potential trades for Walker and Williams (both of which are iffy propositions) and the potential for what comes in the second and third rounds, and then the three fourths, and you have plenty of interesting possibilities for either screw ups or great calls. I am sure that fans in other cities have the same problems the fans here do (New York fans are notorious for that, aren't they?). When they are on the clock, time is short, and decisions are made quickly. Preparation is the key, and most times I think the Broncos are as ready as others. I also remember that Sundquist has more input now than in past years, and Dinger is new, and those can be modulating factors.

All is not lost. I just have to find a higher bridge before Saturday.

Pezman
04-25-2006, 12:54 AM
Oh please let him be drafted early so we dont have the suspense of possibly picking up this dud....err... bust....errr nevermind.

The only suspense I see come Saturday will be how far Lendale falls and if VY manages to make it out of the top 10. The rest is butter for me assuming we dont trade up.