The American Flag Comes In Second

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This was in the politics forum awhile back but didn't get much response with the low attendance there. What does everyone think about flying the American flag flown upside down under the Mexican flag?

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THE AMERICAN FLAG COMES SECOND
By Michelle Malkin · March 29, 2006 01:15 AM

***scroll for updates...new photo added below of a student in Dallas screamed at by an angry mob for carrying an American flag...plus fence-hopping at Montebello H.S...unreality-based Ted Kennedy gets the Clueless Blowhard of the Day Award...chanting in Las Vegas: "La raza unida jamas sera vencida," or "The united (Hispanic) race will never be defeated."...protests turn violent in Watsonville...FrontPageMag: Who's behind the [illegal] immigration rallies?...E-mail your Senators...Debra J. Saunders debunks an open-borders myth...Juan Mann reports at The Immigration Blog: Reconquistas inside the federal immigration bureaucracy?***

You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. You should (hat tip: Mika and F/R):

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/upsidedown.jpg

03/28 : Student protest

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)

More:
http://tinyurl.com/mmvg7

[Play2win]

Deport them all... NOW!!

[TexanBob]

Not very original. Liberals have flown the U.S. flag upside down ever since Vietnam.

So, slug, you're a Malkin fan??

[watermock]

Keep it in the circle jerk room. If you have to ask an opinion your obviously an idiot.

If you want the facts, the reason that illegals don't want harder immigration, it's that the mexican government is concerned that the flow of US dollars will be affected if they are required to actually pay taxes and that would prevent a large amount of money from being sent back to mexico. They might have to actually acount for their money.

Second, a state representative of arizona has been linked to providing maps to circumvent the "minutemen" to get access, seen south of the border.

[Popps]

Been saying it for years... the downfall of this country won't be terrorism, it'll be immigration.

For lack of a more polite analogy, you've got a sick body invading a healthy one. Eventually, you'll have an economic collapse.

If you need reference, look at the state of California. Our state economy is in shambles, partly because of mismanagement, and partly because of immigration. You've got a glass that can hold 12 ounces, and you're trying to dump a gallon into it.

There are Mexican populations around most major cities in the country, but I just don't think most Americans have any idea how much this is going to effect them and their children. It's an epidemic.

[Popps]

I just switched bank accounts to Washington Mutual. When you call their help line... and I'm not making this up.... one of the choices is...

"if you'd like to transfer money from the United States to Mexico using SafeSend, press 5"

[OrangeShadow]

a senator,i dont recall who had the idea to build a large wall between mexico and the US. just a thought

[Play2win]

Not very original. Liberals have flown the U.S. flag upside down ever since Vietnam.

So, slug, you're a Malkin fan??
But nobody has damaged it, and what it stands for, greater than a certain George W. Bush...

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Keep it in the circle jerk room. If you have to ask an opinion your obviously an idiot.


When are you going to quit drinking? Or is that.............














http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3351/wall48006jr.jpg

[Alkazar]

To fly the American Flag upside down is concidered an insult to the flag, to the nation, to the people, and to everything this country stands for. Its the same with burning the flag. No American should allow this to happen. Its a sad state this country is in when this type of stupidity is treated as a "Side Note".

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not very original. Liberals have flown the U.S. flag upside down ever since Vietnam.

So, slug, you're a Malkin fan??
I read her stuff from time to time.

I don't remember "liberals" flying the American flag upside down under a foreign nations flag.

[loborugger]

YEAH!!!

Now people can argue over politics and call each other names in two forums...

[GreatBronco16]

It's funny, a guy that I work with is going to Russia to meet a woman that he has been talking to over the net and by phone for about 4 years now. He is going to finally meet her this July and decide if he wants to marry her. According to him, the US is going to require lots of paperwork and proof that he just isn't trying to get her into the US for sake of citizenship.

But yet if you're Mexican, all you have to do is cross the border and bam, head out to Cali where IIRC, you can get a drivers license and stay in the country pretty much for as long as you wish, and the Government doesn't really care. Then in a few months, that illegal will be getting food stamps, be on medicaid and perhaps welfare. Then if he gets sick or hurt and has to go to the hospital, us taxpayers foot the bill.

You have got to love this country sometimes.

[watermock]

When are you going to quit drinking? Or is that.........

The comment was completely coherent, it's your stupidity that is obvious. You said that the war room was quiet. Want to know why? Posts of opposing view are literally mowed over with cartoons.

So what is your option? You have to bring your propoganda here.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3351/wall48006jr.jpg

We are right on top of it there beerslug. Show a video snap and then insult me without even bothering to make one relevant comment.

Your an idiot and didn't really care to address the issue at all. It's easier to take cheap shots and make insults than actually address what I said.

This was in the politics forum awhile back but didn't get much response with the low attendance there.

Gee, guess why. Everything was buried under captions and cartoons now your here. STFU. We know why your here, your tired of jerking each other off over there, so you feel compelled to bother us on the main board.

[Northman]

a senator,i dont recall who had the idea to build a large wall between mexico and the US. just a thought


Sounds good to me, **** illegal aliens.

[Rock Chalk]

I read her stuff from time to time.

I don't remember "liberals" flying the American flag upside down under a foreign nations flag.
Disrespect is disrespect.

Regardless, I think one issue is irrelevant to the other.

I have a problem with a few of the laws.

Being born here should not grand citizen ship if BOTH of your parents are not citizens at the time of your birth. Citizenship should not be a birthright given to you by the soil, but by your American citizen parents. Whether they are legal immigrants or two generations here or fifteen generations American as long as they are American at the time of your birth.

I have a problem with illegal immigrants being given access to public services including hospitals, schools, and police protection while in this country illegally breaking the law.

We dont let other criminals get away with crimes, yet illegal immigrants and, lets be honest here we are talking about Hispanics. This is not a race thing as all nationalities have illegals in this country, but the illegal hispanic population is the truest and most dangerous threat to our economy, our way of life and our laws. If we had an illegal Canadian population as severe as our illegal Hispanic population, we would be just as fierce in our opposition to them coming here as we are hispanics.

This is absolutely not about race, but I will single out Hispanic peopls because they are easily the biggest offenders of illegal immigration in this country and it is not even close.

[ZachKC]

Aside from all the politics...techincally flying the flag upside down is a symbol of distress.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

We are right on top of it there beerslug. Show a video snap and then insult me without even bothering to make one relevant comment.

:rofl:

Who are you speaking for slick?


Gee, guess why. Everything was buried under captions and cartoons now your here. STFU. We know why your here, your tired of jerking each other off over there, so you feel compelled to bother us on the main board.

If you can't keep up you ignorant, assnine, drunk, racist bigot, stay out.

EDIT: Why aren't you on forced vacation again anyway?

[ZachKC]

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[watermock]

:rofl:

Who are you speaking for slick?



If you can't keep up you ignorant, assnine, drunk, racist bigot, stay out.

Everytime I made a political comment it was buried. I have stayed out, you have come in. Want me to remind you are spouting political views? Kinda hard to be in a circle jerk and still make arguments isn't it. Of course, you can make insults in the main forum. Mencina can make every racial insult under the sun and he's not even mexican.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Everytime I made a political comment it was buried. I have stayed out, you have come in. Want me to remind you where your are spouting political views?
I could care less what you're problems are you cat diddling pervert.

[GreatBronco16]

Want me to remind you where your are spouting political views?

Want me to remind you where you spout off about your love affair with your cat?

[watermock]

My problems, your comment is absurd and hostile. Screw you. Your owned. Cat diddler...whatever dude. Your a true dickhead. I make some jokes about my pet and you go run wild with it.

The point is you can't get enough in the circle jerk room at this point to you have to start fights here and claim things to satisfy your own agenda.

[baja]

Been saying it for years... the downfall of this country won't be terrorism, it'll be immigration.

For lack of a more polite analogy, you've got a sick body invading a healthy one. Eventually, you'll have an economic collapse.

If you need reference, look at the state of California. Our state economy is in shambles, partly because of mismanagement, and partly because of immigration. You've got a glass that can hold 12 ounces, and you're trying to dump a gallon into it.

There are Mexican populations around most major cities in the country, but I just don't think most Americans have any idea how much this is going to effect them and their children. It's an epidemic.

This is gonna really scare ya. There are roughly 90 million Mexicans in Mexico and the mean age is an unbelievable 15 years of age in a country of no work and no future. Got any idea what this means for future immigration?

It's going to be an invasion.

[watermock]

That's absurd. The stupid kitten couldn't even see, and ran to the car and I saved it's life, took it to the vet and it's happy and healthy. It's not the gerbils you seems to favor. STFU.

I saved it's life and it's a nice cat, so what? If your having a problem with someone having a pet your pretty ****ed up.

[watermock]

This is gonna really scare ya. There are roughly 90 million Mexicans in Mexico and the mean age is an unbelievable 15 years of age in a country of no work and no future. Got any idea what this means for future immigration?

It's going to be an invasion.

Well, gee, what do you think about it? Since you emigrated to Mexico you should be an expert about it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

My problems, your comment is absurd and hostile. Screw you. Your owned. Cat diddler...whatever dude. Your a true dickhead. I make some jokes about my pet and you go run wild with it.

The point is you can't get enough in the circle jerk room at this point to you have to start fights here and claim things to satisfy your own agenda.

The point is if you don't like a thread and start calling people names, you're going get a lot of sh*t back, understand? If you can't figure out how to reply to a post without using the words, "idiot", "moron", "jerkoffs", insulting racial slurs, etc...
you will continue to be considered the resident POS bigot around here, understand?

[GreatBronco16]

That's absurd. The stupid kitten couldn't even see, and ran to the car and I saved it's life, took it to the vet and it's happy and healthy. It's not the gerbils you seems to favor. STFU.

I saved it's life and it's a nice cat, so what? If your having a problem with someone having a pet your pretty ****ed up.


That is your brain on drugs.

[baja]

I just switched bank accounts to Washington Mutual. When you call their help line... and I'm not making this up.... one of the choices is...

"if you'd like to transfer money from the United States to Mexico using SafeSend, press 5"

What I hate is when checking account information on the phone i get, "If you would like to continue in English please press 1 now. Thats in the US at both B of A and Wells Fargo.

I say kiss my ass if you want to continuar en Espanol empuja dos.

[watermock]

The point is if you don't like a thread and start calling people names, you're going get a lot of sh*t back, understand? If you can't figure out how to reply to a post without using the words, "idiot", "moron", "jerkoffs", insulting racial slurs, etc...
you will continue to be considered the resident POS bigot around here, understand?

Bull. I have taken ten times what I have dealt out. I'm just telling you what you are, not insulting. Your so far out of your habitat it's funny.

[baja]

Well, gee, what do you think about it? Since you emigrated to Mexico you should be an expert about it.

"Your" correct Senor Wet Brain when it comes to beaners I am an expert.

And I happen to have dual citizenship Mr. shiit for brains

[watermock]

What I hate is when checking account information on the phone i get, "If you would like to continue in English please press 1 now. Thats in the US at both B of A and Wells Fargo.

I say kiss my ass if you want to continuar en Espanol empuja dos.

What is amazing is after you get done with all the computer prompts in spanish and finally english, you wind up with someone from New Delhi on the line, but it's actually a real person.

Yes I see...25 minutes on the phone asking if I need assistance and asking my language, I get someone with broken English in India. Now I'm always polite, but dang. Oh, it takes half an hour to get a real person on the other side of the planet.

[Rohirrim]

This is gonna really scare ya. There are roughly 90 million Mexicans in Mexico and the mean age is an unbelievable 15 years of age in a country of no work and no future. Got any idea what this means for future immigration?
Is that a fact, Baja? Holy Shiite. We better get to work on a wall.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Illegal Immigration's Third World Momentum

Part I: What It Is
Part II: What is Does
By Frosty Wooldridge
October 10, 2005

Writing about America’s immigration crisis week after week raises my blood pressure, level of depression and creates maddening frustration levels as I observe inaction by the majority of American citizens. All fifty state governors do nothing to stop it, won’t speak against it, and, in many cases encourage it. Governor Bill Owens of Colorado, Baldacci of Maine, Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Richardson from New Mexico assist it. Although, this summer, Napolitano and Richardson issued ‘states of emergency’ in their states as illegals overran them.

The majority of senators do nothing as well as the majority of the House of Representatives. Major and smaller city mayors and city councils harbor illegal aliens with sanctuary policies. Even Los Angeles, with more gangs and crime than you can imagine, continues Special Order 40 that allows killers, rapists, drug distributors, MS-13 members and other human grease to remain protected from arrest.

Have you ever wondered why Third World countries are SO desperate? Why people flee? Why most citizens are illiterate? Why corruption is standard operating procedure? Let’s compare the ‘Rule of Law’ in America to the ‘Dis-rule of Law’ in countries like Mexico.

In my book, “IMMIGRATION’S UNARMED INVASION: DEADLY CONSEQUENCES”—I wrote about Third World Momentum as seen from the seat of my bicycle as I traveled throughout the world on six continents. I saw first hand all aspects of Third World Momentum. That’s why it is SO frustrating that US citizens don’t ‘get it’ or ‘see it’ and our president and Congress ignore it on purpose as they become a part of the ‘Dis-rule of Law’ in America. But I’m here to tell you that we’re flushing ourselves down the toilet faster than a bullet train. What is happening in America is a ‘systemic’ or ‘endemic’ corrupt system from Bush right on down the federal system.

An example of it shows you the incompetence of Michael Brown at FEMA and his horrifically incompetent handling of Katrina. At the height of Rome's decay, emperors appointed unqualified candidates to high office. Caligula appointed his horse to the Senate, where the horse enjoyed the reputation as the wisest and least harmful of that “august” body.

Last week, a reader wrote the exact aspects of Third World Momentum. After his interview, you will be offered a half dozen stories from U.S. citizens that bring it home as to how fast this country is spiraling into Third World status.

Heath Boatwright, Athens, Georgia understands what I have been trying to convey to the American public for years.

“In the last few years, I have found myself in a world where many refuse to discuss openly and honestly the issues that the United States is facing,” Boatwright said. “Hearing you on Coast to Coast with George Noory was refreshing to say the least. Although, I will tell you that it did not make me sleep better, and in fact I had to wake up and ponder for a moment all that you had said.”

“When you discuss Third World Momentum I know first-hand what you are talking about,” Boatwright said. “However, sadly, few Americans can grasp what you are talking about. I attended college at The University of Georgia. I received a BA in history, with a focus on Latin American history and I speak fluent Portuguese. I have traveled to South America many times and visited some of the most destitute and impoverished people there. Unfortunately, when I discuss this issue with most people, they call me a xenophobe, a racist, a bigot, and an ignorant person who does not appreciate other cultures.”

“Yet, how can I fit this description if I have ventured out into the world, bothered to learn another language, and reached out an open hand to the poor in far away places?” he said. “Also, how can I be a racist if the very person I chose to marry is not even an American (my wife is from Brazil)? While my love for the people and the region of Latin America runs deep, I would not trade my fate for theirs. I would also not trade my fate for nearly anyone in the Middle East, China, India, and so on.”

“Why is it that in the United States, to appreciate a culture you must also want to live like it?” Boatwright said. “I have dedicated much study to that region of the world, and I can tell you flat out that there is another mentality that exists in most Third World nations, and that mentality is manifesting itself here in the United States, daily. Many say that Latin America is "laid back". I have pondered on this observation and realized that you could also put it another way. In Latin America, if it is good enough for today, it is good enough. In Latin America, if you want to get something done, you will have to circumvent law. This is the type of Third World Corruption that you speak of.”

“So many in Latin America circumvent the law, that they rarely bother to realize that here, in the US, circumventing the law is the worst way to get things done,” he said. “Corruption is so rampant in those regions that it becomes a mechanism by which the society functions. This is why so many illegals come here--reproduce fake Social Security numbers, register their cars from one state to another to avoid mandatory auto insurance, go to the hospital using a fake name, buy items on credit using their brother's name is who now back in Mexico, refuse to learn English, and bear several children with no means of supporting them. They do this because they are modeling what they do in their culture.”

Boatwright continues, “Here is another fact about Latin America, and I believe most other Third World nations: those who reside there rarely bother to take accountability for their country’s problems. In Latin America, problems are blamed on corruption, foul government, and in certain intellectual circles-”past colonialism”. I have yet to encounter one single illegal person in the United States who is willing to admit that he is contributing to the detriment of my nation. In Latin America, you live side by side with abject poverty, illiteracy, hunger, and disease. You do this daily and it simply becomes part of the landscape. Latin America, and again most Third World countries, has a problem of what I call ‘mobilization.’”

“This is a situation where thousands mobilize and figure out methods to get things done, either by circumventing the law, or based on the current corrupt system they face, but few ever mobilize to truly resolve the issues they face,” Boatwright said. “I do not find it ironic at all that once one illegal alien discovered that he could come here to the US, work illegally, get healthcare, and generally avoid any type of legal prosecution, he later found himself surrounded by millions of his fellow countrymen. Again, this is my point: in Latin America, you have no problem getting people to mobilize in a way that ignores the current law, because people in that region do not live in fear of the law, it generally does not function anyway, and now they have seen that it also does not function in the United States.”
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/bm78t

[baja]

Is that a fact, Baja? Holy Shiite. We better get to work on a wall.

"Papers, we don't need no stinking papers!" ;D

[Willynowei]

Been saying it for years... the downfall of this country won't be terrorism, it'll be immigration.

For lack of a more polite analogy, you've got a sick body invading a healthy one. Eventually, you'll have an economic collapse.

If you need reference, look at the state of California. Our state economy is in shambles, partly because of mismanagement, and partly because of immigration. You've got a glass that can hold 12 ounces, and you're trying to dump a gallon into it.

There are Mexican populations around most major cities in the country, but I just don't think most Americans have any idea how much this is going to effect them and their children. It's an epidemic.

C'mon Popps.

This country was built on immigrants. Cheaper labor, better margins and more production. Some Americans will suffer, mostly the ones in the lower economic stratospheres. If they want to compete with cheap labor, they ought to get their kids educated.

We should be worrying about the drop out rate in this nation and its ability to compete with the real threat of its economic downfall - global competition than the immigrants who have proven to be the life blood of this nations expansion since its creation.

[baja]

Illegal Immigration's Third World Momentum

Part I: What It Is
Part II: What is Does
By Frosty Wooldridge
October 10, 2005

Writing about America’s immigration crisis week after week raises my blood pressure, level of depression and creates maddening frustration levels as I observe inaction by the majority of American citizens. All fifty state governors do nothing to stop it, won’t speak against it, and, in many cases encourage it. Governor Bill Owens of Colorado, Baldacci of Maine, Janet Napolitano of Arizona and Richardson from New Mexico assist it. Although, this summer, Napolitano and Richardson issued ‘states of emergency’ in their states as illegals overran them.

The majority of senators do nothing as well as the majority of the House of Representatives. Major and smaller city mayors and city councils harbor illegal aliens with sanctuary policies. Even Los Angeles, with more gangs and crime than you can imagine, continues Special Order 40 that allows killers, rapists, drug distributors, MS-13 members and other human grease to remain protected from arrest.

Have you ever wondered why Third World countries are SO desperate? Why people flee? Why most citizens are illiterate? Why corruption is standard operating procedure? Let’s compare the ‘Rule of Law’ in America to the ‘Dis-rule of Law’ in countries like Mexico.

In my book, “IMMIGRATION’S UNARMED INVASION: DEADLY CONSEQUENCES”—I wrote about Third World Momentum as seen from the seat of my bicycle as I traveled throughout the world on six continents. I saw first hand all aspects of Third World Momentum. That’s why it is SO frustrating that US citizens don’t ‘get it’ or ‘see it’ and our president and Congress ignore it on purpose as they become a part of the ‘Dis-rule of Law’ in America. But I’m here to tell you that we’re flushing ourselves down the toilet faster than a bullet train. What is happening in America is a ‘systemic’ or ‘endemic’ corrupt system from Bush right on down the federal system.

An example of it shows you the incompetence of Michael Brown at FEMA and his horrifically incompetent handling of Katrina. At the height of Rome's decay, emperors appointed unqualified candidates to high office. Caligula appointed his horse to the Senate, where the horse enjoyed the reputation as the wisest and least harmful of that “august” body.

Last week, a reader wrote the exact aspects of Third World Momentum. After his interview, you will be offered a half dozen stories from U.S. citizens that bring it home as to how fast this country is spiraling into Third World status.

Heath Boatwright, Athens, Georgia understands what I have been trying to convey to the American public for years.

“In the last few years, I have found myself in a world where many refuse to discuss openly and honestly the issues that the United States is facing,” Boatwright said. “Hearing you on Coast to Coast with George Noory was refreshing to say the least. Although, I will tell you that it did not make me sleep better, and in fact I had to wake up and ponder for a moment all that you had said.”

“When you discuss Third World Momentum I know first-hand what you are talking about,” Boatwright said. “However, sadly, few Americans can grasp what you are talking about. I attended college at The University of Georgia. I received a BA in history, with a focus on Latin American history and I speak fluent Portuguese. I have traveled to South America many times and visited some of the most destitute and impoverished people there. Unfortunately, when I discuss this issue with most people, they call me a xenophobe, a racist, a bigot, and an ignorant person who does not appreciate other cultures.”

“Yet, how can I fit this description if I have ventured out into the world, bothered to learn another language, and reached out an open hand to the poor in far away places?” he said. “Also, how can I be a racist if the very person I chose to marry is not even an American (my wife is from Brazil)? While my love for the people and the region of Latin America runs deep, I would not trade my fate for theirs. I would also not trade my fate for nearly anyone in the Middle East, China, India, and so on.”

“Why is it that in the United States, to appreciate a culture you must also want to live like it?” Boatwright said. “I have dedicated much study to that region of the world, and I can tell you flat out that there is another mentality that exists in most Third World nations, and that mentality is manifesting itself here in the United States, daily. Many say that Latin America is "laid back". I have pondered on this observation and realized that you could also put it another way. In Latin America, if it is good enough for today, it is good enough. In Latin America, if you want to get something done, you will have to circumvent law. This is the type of Third World Corruption that you speak of.”

“So many in Latin America circumvent the law, that they rarely bother to realize that here, in the US, circumventing the law is the worst way to get things done,” he said. “Corruption is so rampant in those regions that it becomes a mechanism by which the society functions. This is why so many illegals come here--reproduce fake Social Security numbers, register their cars from one state to another to avoid mandatory auto insurance, go to the hospital using a fake name, buy items on credit using their brother's name is who now back in Mexico, refuse to learn English, and bear several children with no means of supporting them. They do this because they are modeling what they do in their culture.”

Boatwright continues, “Here is another fact about Latin America, and I believe most other Third World nations: those who reside there rarely bother to take accountability for their country’s problems. In Latin America, problems are blamed on corruption, foul government, and in certain intellectual circles-”past colonialism”. I have yet to encounter one single illegal person in the United States who is willing to admit that he is contributing to the detriment of my nation. In Latin America, you live side by side with abject poverty, illiteracy, hunger, and disease. You do this daily and it simply becomes part of the landscape. Latin America, and again most Third World countries, has a problem of what I call ‘mobilization.’”

“This is a situation where thousands mobilize and figure out methods to get things done, either by circumventing the law, or based on the current corrupt system they face, but few ever mobilize to truly resolve the issues they face,” Boatwright said. “I do not find it ironic at all that once one illegal alien discovered that he could come here to the US, work illegally, get healthcare, and generally avoid any type of legal prosecution, he later found himself surrounded by millions of his fellow countrymen. Again, this is my point: in Latin America, you have no problem getting people to mobilize in a way that ignores the current law, because people in that region do not live in fear of the law, it generally does not function anyway, and now they have seen that it also does not function in the United States.”
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/bm78t

This is kind of a rambling post but the one point it does make is you are about to be run over by people that do not give a shiit about you or your precious values and way of life. It's viva Mexico and fucck the United States. This coming from a guy that loves and knows Mexico.

[Willynowei]

This is gonna really scare ya. There are roughly 90 million Mexicans in Mexico and the mean age is an unbelievable 15 years of age in a country of no work and no future. Got any idea what this means for future immigration?

It's going to be an invasion.

And why do some feel this is so bad?
Do they even believe in free competition? Compete damn it don't whine. Thats what this country's about.

This will lower the wages and eventually the price points. Means i get more products for cheaper prices and a higher standard of living. On the other hand, those same Mexicans will get a job and some food to eat.

Win win situation for everyone except the American who lost his job. But who's fault is that? The Government can't take care of everyone. Some people have to do it themselves, its just the nature of this world.

[GonzoLays]

Illegals in this country come down to one issue -- cheap labor.

If our corporations are allowed to hire illegal aliens to do their work without health benefits and workmans comp do you honestly think this issue will ever resolve itself?

Our ELECTED government IS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Corporations give campaign donations to our politicians so they can get elected and in return for their investment those politicians push the agenda (regardless of what is good or bad for the citizen) of those that elected him. Until this changes we can cry all day about immigration and illegal aliens but nothing will change because what is good for the corporation and his elected politician will never be good for America.

[Play2win]

"And all the stupid people in the world are BREEDING..."

or however the song goes...

[SoCalBronco]

"And all the stupid people in the world are BREEDING...

or however the song goes...

I dont know about "all".

After all, Bob's a virgin. :)

[baja]

And why do some feel this is so bad?
Do they even believe in free competition? Compete damn it don't whine. Thats what this country's about.

This will lower the wages and eventually the price points. Means i get more products for cheaper prices and a higher standard of living. On the other hand, those same Mexicans will get a job and some food to eat.

Win win situation for everyone except the American who lost his job. But who's fault is that? The Government can't take care of everyone. Some people have to do it themselves, its just the nature of this world.

The part you are overlooking is ours is a complex high teck system / society which takes an extensive education for the individual to function in. If you burden this system with huge numbers of people that have no clue how this system functions the quality of life will be diminished not enhanced as you suggest. But keep thinking the way you are time will eventually enlighten you.

[Play2win]

I dont know about "all".

After all, Bob's a virgin. :)
Well it didn't say anything about inter-species Breeding...

[baja]

Illegals in this country come down to one issue -- cheap labor.

If our corporations are allowed to hire illegal aliens to do their work without health benefits and workmans comp do you honestly think this issue will ever resolve itself?

Our ELECTED government IS FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS. Corporations give campaign donations to our politicians so they can get elected and in return for their investment those politicians push the agenda (regardless of what is good or bad for the citizen) of those that elected him. Until this changes we can cry all day about immigration and illegal aliens but nothing will change because what is good for the corporation and his elected politician will never be good for America.

And this gets a great big BINGO

[Willynowei]

Illegal Immigration's Third World Momentum

......
“So many in Latin America circumvent the law, that they rarely bother to realize that here, in the US, circumventing the law is the worst way to get things done,” he said. “Corruption is so rampant in those regions that it becomes a mechanism by which the society functions. This is why so many illegals come here--reproduce fake Social Security numbers, register their cars from one state to another to avoid mandatory auto insurance, go to the hospital using a fake name, buy items on credit using their brother's name is who now back in Mexico, refuse to learn English, and bear several children with no means of supporting them. They do this because they are modeling what they do in their culture.”
.....
(CONTINUED)
http://tinyurl.com/bm78t

Who's fault is this? All this says is that we need to better enforce these laws, and create new ones for the new situations we face.

I for one believe if you are a parent who bears more children than you can support, you should be put in the slammer.

It is as irresponsible a thing to do as anything for a person to have children with no intention to support them.

[Swedish Extrovert]

What set off this whole immigration issue?

Even as a strong democrat, I really dont think we should reward illegal aliens with citizenship, because they broke the law. I sill think the fence idea is asinine.

As for the flag... well I guess thats whats great about America. You CAN do something like that. The thing I dont get about the Mexican people who fly the Mexican flag is why? If they love that country so much, why were they so desperate to leave it?

I'm guilty of flying the Swedish flag, but I feel that Sweden has their **** together more than America and I moving there in a couple of years. In my defense, I still love this country, willing to fight for it. However, I think or recent agressive military approach is wrong.

[Willynowei]

The part you are overlooking is ours is a complex high teck system / society which takes an extensive education for the individual to function in. If you burden this system with huge numbers of people that have no clue how this system functions the quality of life will be diminished not enhanced as you suggest. But keep thinking the way you are time will eventually enlighten you.

Quality of life? Who's quality of life? Certainly not the well educated, certainly not the well prepared.

This is why i advocate more funding in education (ALOT MORE) and a more aggressive approach to education period. People in our society live and die by what they know and how capable they are. So why not give them the best tools to prepare with?

On the other hand. The one's who fail deserve no mercy. If they do, this would only encourage complacency, not productiveness.

Its a simple system, and it works.

[baja]

Quality of life? Who's quality of life? Certainly not the well educated, certainly not the well prepared.

This is why i advocate more funding in education (ALOT MORE) and a more aggressive approach to education period. People in our society live and die by what they know and how capable they are. So why not give them the best tools to prepare with?

On the other hand. The one's who fail deserve no mercy. If they do, this would only encourage complacency, not productiveness.

<b>Its a simple system, and it works.</b>

Not when you over burden it with millions of people that will require billions of dollars invested to bring them up to speed.

[loborugger]

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachishere/49026516/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/29/49026516_cb2099dd52.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="flagbig" /></a>

Hey, Zach. Nice photo & nice sig line. I approve of them both. BTW, who is that in your avatar???

[watermock]

It wasn't about flying the mexican flag in a foreign country, it was about flying a mexican flag over the American flag and turning it upside down as an obvious insult.

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/upsidedown.jpg

Go rationalize it all you want. It's an obvious slap in the face.

This is flying in our own country? But I'm the racist.

[Willynowei]

Not when you over burden it with millions of people that will require billions of dollars invested to bring them up to speed.

And is it not worth it?

Take this scenario:

Influx of Mexican workers = increase labor demand, lower wage rates.
Lower wage rates = higher margins = higher production capabilities and more incentive to invest.

Result = More investment spending, more consumer spending = economic growth. The economic growth from cheap labor more than makes up the tiny bit we spend on education each year right now.

Compare that to the Debt that we got into from Reagan years and the quarter trillion we just threw into Iraq. I guarantee, education is not a hopeless spend.

[watermock]

Illegal immagrants hate the proposed new laws because it would reduce the amout they could send back to mexico.

The whole "vegatables are cheap because of illegal immigrants and noone would take thos jobs" routine is totally fallacious.

Vegatables are cheap because we spent billions in making enough water and importing fertilizer and having infrastrusture. You think bananas come from California? They go thru Louisiana, Gulf Port.

[baja]

And is it not worth it?

Take this scenario:

Influx of Mexican workers = increase labor demand, lower wage rates.
Lower wage rates = higher margins = higher production capabilities and more incentive to invest.

Result = More investment spending, more consumer spending = economic growth. The economic growth from cheap labor more than makes up the tiny bit we spend on education each year right now.

Compare that to the Debt that we got into from Reagan years and the quarter trillion we just threw into Iraq. I guarantee, education is not a hopeless spend.

Dude I'm talking about your neighbors with 5 families in a single family dwelling. I'm talking about five to ten dogs living next door and nobody is picking up the dog shiit. I'm talking about cars with no brakes on your streets and highways maned by drivers who have no clue about the rules of the road.

I understand your youthful enthusiasm and love for noble ideas but you have no idea what is coming...

Edit; Let me quick to add these are not bad people,for the most part they will be wonderful people just not anywhere near ready to be productive contributing citizens. If they were a manageable number than I would agree with your nice neat scenario but the shear numbers is what you will soon learn is what will be devastating.

[Alkazar]

Aside from all the politics...techincally flying the flag upside down is a symbol of distress.
Yes, but the way they are doing it is just for the pure insult, and that's how I take it.

[Willynowei]

Dude I'm talking about your neighbors with 5 families in a single family dwelling. I'm talking about five to ten dogs living next door and nobody is picking up the dog shiit. I'm talking about cars with no brakes on your streets and highways maned by drivers who have no clue about the rules of the road.

I understand your youthful enthusiasm and love for noble ideas but you have no idea what is coming...

Sounds like the gilded age to me. A couple hundred years ago we had Irish, italian and eastern Europeans rush in from over shores. There were bad living conditions in the inner cities, some situations much worse than the ones you describe.

Call me young, or imply I'm naive, but History doesn't lie. Infact, history serves examples that I don't have to live through to know. Yes these people will be around, but look at them now. Look at italian, jewish, eastern european and irish americans.

They now make up the this cultural amalgame we call america, they are the nice peaceful, clean neighbors next door who give you the warm welcome when you first move in. We were all immigrants at one point man. Its a cycle, it has its ups and downs.

What is naive is not embracing it, what is naive is trying to resist the innevitable. Its not youthful idealogy, this is pure realism, I accept it for what it is, i don't complain, I deal with it.

[watermock]

These people arrived on boats and went thru immigration. If you don't believe it, look at when jewish emigrees were turned away and killed by the Nazis.

I don't have a problem with immigration, it's just that it's gotten absurd and out of control. It's not even my problem except the only murder in my home town was committed by an illegal that escaped back to mexico.

[Willynowei]

These people arrived on boats and went thru immigration. If you don't believe it, look at when jewish emigrees were turned away and killed by the Nazis.
But I think alot of people reacted to them the same way we are reacting to the Mexicans.

EDIT: Yeah i think it is fair to complain about ILLEGAL-immigration, nothing wrong with that.

[watermock]

But I think alot of people reacted to them the same way we are reacting to the Mexicans.

That's a complete assertion. There was plenty of bias, but the fact is they were coming in legally. Reaction and legality are two different things.

[Willynowei]

That's a complete assertion. There was plenty of bias, but the fact is they were coming in legally. Reaction and legality are two different things.

Well the validity of that assertion of course depends on the historian who writes the texts. About legality: sure i agree.

[baja]

Sounds like the gilded age to me. A couple hundred years ago we had Irish, italian and eastern Europeans rush in from over shores. There were bad living conditions in the inner cities, some situations much worse than the ones you describe.

Call me young, or imply I'm naive, but History doesn't lie. Infact, history serves examples that I don't have to live through to know. Yes these people will be around, but look at them now. Look at italian, jewish, eastern european and irish americans.

They now make up the this cultural amalgame we call america, they are the nice peaceful, clean neighbors next door who give you the warm welcome when you first move in. We were all immigrants at one point man. Its a cycle, it has its ups and downs.

What is naive is not embracing it, what is naive is trying to resist the innevitable. Its not youthful idealogy, this is pure realism, I accept it for what it is, i don't complain, I deal with it.

Write this same post in five years!

You are speaking about a different time, a time when there were huge natural resources to exploit and a vast unskilled labor force needed to exploit it. This was and empty land back then that needed bodies to work and become a tax base. Look around does it feel a little crowded? It would if you had known it 40 short years ago. The quality of life in general is not anywhere near what it was in the 60's and 70's

[GreatBronco16]

We were all immigrants at one point man. Its a cycle, it has its ups and downs.



I'm sorry but I am no immigrant. My parents weren't, their parents weren't, and their parents parents weren't. I'd have to go pretty damn far back to find out exactly when they came over, but it was such a long time ago, that it really doesn't matter anymore. The country is what it is now, we have laws in place that should be enforced when it comes to imigration. They enforce these laws for people coming from certain countries, but for some damn reason, they don't enforce them for Mexicans.

It would not be all that hard for our government to secure the damn border from Mexico, and to get the illegal imigrants out of this country.

I'm all for people wanting to come here to better their lives, all I ask is that they do it properly and legally.

[baja]

I'm sorry but I am no immigrant. My parents weren't, their parents weren't, and their parents parents weren't. I'd have to go pretty damn far back to find out exactly when they came over, but it was such a long time ago, that it really doesn't matter anymore. The country is what it is now, we have laws in place that should be enforced when it comes to imigration. They enforce these laws for people coming from certain countries, but for some damn reason, they don't enforce them for Mexicans.

It would not be all that hard for our government to secure the damn border from Mexico, and to get the illegal imigrants out of this country.



I'm all for people wanting to come here to better their lives, all I ask is that they do it properly and legally.


Good post, that's all I'm saying too.

[Rock Chalk]

Aside from all the politics...techincally flying the flag upside down is a symbol of distress.
In the military, yeah.

This aint the military though, these are illegal aliens raising up their flag ABOVE our own on OUR soil and further disrespecting the flag by hanging it upside down.

Every single American, regardless of background, faith or political party, should be extremely upset at the disrespect these illegals have for us.

[mosca]

Dude I'm talking about your neighbors with 5 families in a single family dwelling. I'm talking about five to ten dogs living next door and nobody is picking up the dog shiit. I'm talking about cars with no brakes on your streets and highways maned by drivers who have no clue about the rules of the road.

The bad part about this is that more and more Americans are living this very way right now. And more will be, if the economy continues the way it is in regard to low-wage, unskilled workers. I know a few and I've seen plenty more with my own eyes. Head to any town and go to the "wrong side of the tracks", so to say, and you'll see locals living like this. When more and more illegals come in to take their jobs, of which there aren't too many good paying ones anyway, you'll simply see this lifestyle grow even more.

Something has to be done or the situation will only get worse. Sheer numbers... we need to fix the problem because it won't fix itself!

[watermock]

My immagrant ancestors came from Dresden, Hamburg and Holstein around 1902. All were leveled in the war.

[GreatBronco16]

You guys remember the movie, "The Day After Tomorrow"??

Remember when the people of America needed to head further south and Mexico closed off their borders trying to keep them out? Don't think for one second that they would open their border if we needed to flock across their border by the millions at the same time.

[GreatBronco16]

In the military, yeah.

This aint the military though, these are illegal aliens raising up their flag ABOVE our own on OUR soil and further disrespecting the flag by hanging it upside down.


And at the same time, they wonder why we don't want them in our country.

[Rock Chalk]

This is kind of a rambling post but the one point it does make is you are about to be run over by people that do not give a shiit about you or your precious values and way of life. It's viva Mexico and fucck the United States. This coming from a guy that loves and knows Mexico.

I give to you ladies and gentleman, a self professed "Great American".

[baja]

I give to you ladies and gentleman, a self professed "Great American".

I consider myself a human being, something you probably would not understand.

[mosca]

You guys remember the movie, "The Day After Tomorrow"??

Remember when the people of America needed to head further south and Mexico closed off their borders trying to keep them out? Don't think for one second that they would open their border if we needed to flock across their border by the millions at the same time.
One need only look at Mexico's treatment of invading Central Americans for an example of how they'd treat us if we did the same.

[Requiem]

Germany > America

[watermock]

Germany > America

And, your rationale is what?

[baja]

And, your rationale is what?

You live here and not there?

[GreatBronco16]

Germany > America


I'd take the 80's West Germany. Had some good times over there.

[GreatBronco16]

And, your rationale is what?

They don't allow people to **** their cats?

[61Vikefan]

I tell you what man, if I had the choice between this flag and another 8 years of a Bush (I'm guessing Jeb will be the next one) I would choose this flag again.

<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png"

[watermock]

**** you "Great BroncoTeenAger".

Baja make all kinds of assertions and doen't even live in this country but isn't shy about keeping dual citizenship. Work on your english.

[watermock]

I tell you what man, if I had the choice between this flag and another 8 years of a Bush (I'm guessing Jeb will be the next one) I would choose this flag again.

then go to England and suck Prince Charles ass.

[Requiem]

And, your rationale is what?

George Bush is a penis sucking terrorist.

[mosca]

And, your rationale is what?
One word: Oktoberfest.

[baja]

**** you "Great BroncoTeenAger".

Baja make all kinds of assertions and doen't even live in this country but isn't shy about keeping dual citizenship. Work on your english.

"Your" right I'll work on my English.

You got a problem with duel citizenship?

[watermock]

George Bush is a penis sucking terrorist.

We obviously have a failure to communicate. And your a total idiot. He's brought the fight to the enemy at great cost, but I don't think he's a co****cking terrorist no matter how brainwashed you are.

[watermock]

One word: Oktoberfest.

WTF? Once again I watch idiots posture. Go on, move along...So I am running nakid at Octoberfest and in the keg throwing contest. STFU. BTW Genius, it's mid April. Your such a dimwit that you don't even know that festival is half a year away. Go chase the Easter Bunny moron, it's allready run away.

[baja]

Well Mock it's time to go out do some Rio de Janeiro night club hopping want to go?

Sorry I don't live full time in Bumfuuck, Iowa.

[mosca]

WTF? Once again I watch idiots posture. Go on, move along...So I am running nakid at Octoberfest and in the keg throwing contest. STFU. BTW Genius, it's mid April. Your such a dimwit that you don't even know that festival is half a year away. Go chase the Easter Bunny moron, it's allready run away.
:stupid: LOL

[Willynowei]

Write this same post in five years!

You are speaking about a different time, a time when there were huge natural resources to exploit and a vast unskilled labor force needed to exploit it. This was and empty land back then that needed bodies to work and become a tax base. Look around does it feel a little crowded? It would if you had known it 40 short years ago. The quality of life in general is not anywhere near what it was in the 60's and 70's
Two points:

1.) how is the quality of life better today than 30 years ago? You're the first person I've heard to make such an assertion, what happened to the "you kids don't know how good you have it." statements i get from mine and other kid's parents.

2.) your entire point goes back to the resource argument from awhile back when we first butted heads. I don't want to go there again because its a dead thread so I'm assuming most people have already put out their points. Although you still owe me a reply on my last post if i remember correctly :)

Bonus point, but perhaps most important:

Only about 10% of economic growth comes from resource and labor markets (what we can exploit from the earth and people). About 90% of economic growth in the modern US economy is attributed to techonological advancement.

Chew on that, and tell me education isn't the answer.

[watermock]

No thanks. I think your a leftist prick honestly. BTW, making policy just because you have dual citizenship doesn't mean crap. I will give you this much, you aren't an illegal, alltho it would be funny to revoke your citizenship when you try to get back in the country.

[GreatBronco16]

Oktoberfest. Hell yeah.

Oh beer girl.

http://www.huronvalleytravel.com/images/jpg/o_beergirl.jpg

[Kaylore]

Oktoberfest. Hell yeah.

Oh beer girl.

http://www.huronvalleytravel.com/images/jpg/o_beergirl.jpg
http://www.cameolingerie.net/Ebay/2005/costume-83085.jpg

[<<broncolitis>>]

This was in the politics forum awhile back but didn't get much response with the low attendance there. What does everyone think about flying the American flag flown upside down under the Mexican flag?

---------------------------------------------------------
THE AMERICAN FLAG COMES SECOND
By Michelle Malkin · March 29, 2006 01:15 AM

***scroll for updates...new photo added below of a student in Dallas screamed at by an angry mob for carrying an American flag...plus fence-hopping at Montebello H.S...unreality-based Ted Kennedy gets the Clueless Blowhard of the Day Award...chanting in Las Vegas: "La raza unida jamas sera vencida," or "The united (Hispanic) race will never be defeated."...protests turn violent in Watsonville...FrontPageMag: Who's behind the [illegal] immigration rallies?...E-mail your Senators...Debra J. Saunders debunks an open-borders myth...Juan Mann reports at The Immigration Blog: Reconquistas inside the federal immigration bureaucracy?***

You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. You should (hat tip: Mika and F/R):

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/upsidedown.jpg

03/28 : Student protest

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)

More:
http://tinyurl.com/mmvg7
I think that this is Extremly unpatriotic. A slam to our country. And needs to be punished.

[Willynowei]

I'm sorry but I am no immigrant. My parents weren't, their parents weren't, and their parents parents weren't. I'd have to go pretty damn far back to find out exactly when they came over, but it was such a long time ago, that it really doesn't matter anymore. The country is what it is now, we have laws in place that should be enforced when it comes to imigration. They enforce these laws for people coming from certain countries, but for some damn reason, they don't enforce them for Mexicans.

It would not be all that hard for our government to secure the damn border from Mexico, and to get the illegal imigrants out of this country.

I'm all for people wanting to come here to better their lives, all I ask is that they do it properly and legally.

"I'd have to go pretty damn far back to find out exactly when they came over (therefore) it doesn't really matter." just goes to prove my point. Given enough time, these Mexicans will be in your position.

Otherwise, i don't see much to disagree with you on.

[GreatBronco16]

. Given enough time, these Mexicans will be in your position.




Not if we do something about it now.

[GreatBronco16]

http://www.cameolingerie.net/Ebay/2005/costume-83085.jpg


You just had to go there.

[baja]

Two points:

1.)<b> how is the quality of life better today than 30 years ago? </b>You're the first person I've heard to make such an assertion, what happened to the "you kids don't know how good you have it." statements i get from mine and other kid's parents.

2.) your entire point goes back to the resource argument from awhile back when we first butted heads. I don't want to go there again because its a dead thread so I'm assuming most people have already put out their points. Although you still owe me a reply on my last post if i remember correctly :)

Bonus point, but perhaps most important:

<b>Only about 10% of economic growth comes from resource and labor markets</b> (what we can exploit from the earth and people). About 90% of economic growth in the modern US economy is attributed to technological advancement.

Chew on that, and tell me education isn't the answer.

Did you even read my post?

1.I said the quality of life was better 40 years ago.

2. That is exactly my argument. You allegorized how this country was built by immigrants and I made the point that it was a different time and it was dependent on unskilled labor thus the need for large immigration numbers. As you point out it's different now.

3. My point is precisely that to be a successful citizen today requires a great deal of education which millions of illegal aliens will never get.

4. You are correct I owe you a response but I'm lazy, what can I say.

[baja]

No thanks. I think your a leftist prick honestly. BTW, making policy just because you have dual citizenship doesn't mean crap. I will give you this much, you aren't an illegal, alltho it would be funny to revoke your citizenship when you try to get back in the country.

I own multiple properties in the US and go there often I was in Miami four days ago.

[Kaylore]

You just had to go there.
What?;D

[watermock]

Originally Posted by watermock
No thanks. I think your a leftist prick honestly. BTW, making policy just because you have dual citizenship doesn't mean crap. I will give you this much, you aren't an illegal, alltho it would be funny to revoke your citizenship when you try to get back in the country.


I own multiple properties in the US and go there often I was in Miami four days ago.


You think the fact you own property in that rathole important to me? It's a ****hole honestly. Have fun with the degredation of the entire area.

[baja]

You think the fact you own property in that rathole important to me? It's a ****hole honestly. Have fun with the degredation of the entire area.

What's your wonderlick score anyway? I never said I own property in Miami I said I was there 4 days ago.

[Requiem]

And your a total idiot.

That's ironic. Also, I'm not brainwashed. Need some more booze, ya alcoholic?

[Requiem]

No thanks. I think your a leftist prick honestly.

Are you part of the Covenant, Sword and the Arm of the Lord?

[Willynowei]

Did you even read my post?

1.I said the quality of life was better 40 years ago.

2. That is exactly my argument. You allegorized how this country was built by immigrants and i made the point was it was a different time that was unskilled labor dependent thus the need for large immigration numbers. As you point out it's different now.

3. My point is precisely that to be a successful citizen today requires a great deal of education.

4. You are correct I owe you a response but I'm lasy, what can I say.

1.) You're right, typo! I mean't to say, you're the first to say quality of life was better 30 years ago. And then followed with the quote i often hear.

2.) AHHH ic your point. Perhaps you didnt get my full take on education, which i posted on a thread a while back. I basically advocate a semi-privatized educational system with both public and private schools. The private schools are heavily subsidized but also regulated with price ceilings. Really, i just think our public education system is the fault of everything :)

3.) Private education would solve this. You get what you pay for, i know this hurts equal oppurtunity, but we should have this on top of public education. There's a movement going on right now with a push for public funded private schools.

4.) Say I'm right! :D

[baja]

1.) You're right, typo! I mean't to say, you're the first to say quality of life was better 30 years ago. And then followed with the quote i often hear.

2.) AHHH ic your point. Perhaps you didnt get my full take on education, which i posted on a thread a while back. I basically advocate a semi-privatized educational system with both public and private schools. The private schools are heavily subsidized but also regulated with price ceilings. Really, i just think our public education system is the fault of everything :)

3.) Private education would solve this. You get what you pay for, i know this hurts equal oppurtunity, but we should have this on top of public education. There's a movement going on right now with a push for public funded private schools.

4.) Say I'm right! :D

I could say you are right but I would be lying. :~ohyah!:


I am addressing unchecked illegal mass immigration and the inherent problems that will bring, private education will not solve this.

I'm going out now.... ;D

[watermock]

NO. What made you think so unless your a total moron.

[watermock]

I inow more about theology that all of you put together anyway.

[Willynowei]

I could say you are right but I would be lying. :~ohyah!:


I am addressing unchecked illegal mass immigration and the inherent problems that will bring, private education will not solve this.

I'm going out now.... ;D
Cya,

I don't know where i said i advocated illegal mass immigration, however.

Anyways despite the context of this thread, Popps said "immigration" in his heated statement, and so did you, no where did i find the magical words 'illegal.'

So i do agree that illegal immigration shouldn't be condoned.....

[Requiem]

I inow more about theology that all of you put together anyway.

You know ****. Long live my Motherland. CCCP baby.

[watermock]

That's incredibly stupid. the CCCP doesn't even exist The motherland was a term from over a half century. Your an idiot.

[baja]

It's Fatherland for those that care to be correct.

[Requiem]

It's Fatherland for those that care to be correct.

Fatherland for Germany, Motherland for Russia. (Mother Motherland -- it's a nice monument.)

[Requiem]

Your an idiot.

Try again. Don't hate on my because you're 46 and have problems getting laid.

[sirhcyennek81]

fun n friendly thread, tonight.

:Broncos:

[GreatBronco16]

Try again. Don't hate on my because you're 46 and have problems getting laid.


Perhaps Mock, beezer and Boob should hook up for a threesome.

[sirhcyennek81]

Perhaps Mock, beezer and Boob should hook up for a threesome.

you have evidence that leads you to believe they have not already?

:Broncos:

[Crushaholic]

You just had to go there.

I would LIKE to go there...:wiggle:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

It's all just too f_cking surreal.

If someone had told me when I was a kid that one day millions of foreigners would invade America and enter the country illegally and that our government would do nothing to stop it (encourage it, in fact) I would have assumed they were smoking dirt weed.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well Mock it's time to go out do some Rio de Janeiro night club hopping want to go?

^5

Be sure to post some pix of las chicas calientes, compadre.

The "Latinaphiles" of the Orange Mane are counting on you.

:thumbsup:

[ZachKC]

Hey, Zach. Nice photo & nice sig line. I approve of them both. BTW, who is that in your avatar???
Not sure. its a painting at my buddies apartment at the University of Missouri.

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/zachishere/42013191/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="http://static.flickr.com/30/42013191_81d227dc97.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="DSCN1908" /></a>