Carmelo Anthony: Shooting For Elway Status

[RhymesayersDU]

A new level of celebrity
By Adam Thompson
Denver Post Staff Writer

The world is Carmelo Anthony's mirror.

He turns on the television and sees himself. He glances at a billboard and sees himself. He walks into work and sees his face reflected in the eyes of people drawn to him like magnets to a refrigerator. He's a month from 22, and this is his life.

As he finishes his third season with the Nuggets and prepares for Saturday's playoff battle with the Los Angeles Clippers, Anthony has the attention of the local and national sports world.

Sales of his signature sneaker have doubled this year and rank No. 2 overall among active players in the NBA. He was the highest-ranking NBA player in a Genius Insight celebrity likability survey. He has the eighth most-popular jersey in the NBA.

Few in Denver can understand that level of fame. But one man can, and he has been watching.

"Expectations were high on him, and they were very high on me when I came in," said John Elway, the former Broncos quarterback, the Colorado Crush co-owner and the king of Colorado sports. "He was the third pick and I was a first-round pick. The expectations that were on both of us is the common denominator. I'm not sure that either of us understood pressure at that point. I realized it was a big world, but I'm not sure that you understand pressure until you get into it."

And Anthony is eyeing Elway.

"I want to be that guy - when they mention Elway, they mention Carmelo Anthony," he said. "Right now, it's Elway. I want to be that next guy."

Elway's legend was cemented by back-to-back Super Bowl championships. Anthony took the Nuggets back to the playoffs, but they have been eliminated in the first round in the past two years. But the media-savvy Baltimore native is further along than most would have predicted. An independent survey of young men by New York-based marketing group Genius Insight ranked him the 55th most-likable celebrity, up from 585th last year.

In the online survey, which asks fans whether they are aware of certain entertainers, politicians and athletes and whether they like the ones they know, he's one behind child actress Dakota Fanning, one ahead of actor Jeff Bridges, and well ahead of LeBron James (583) and Shaquille O'Neal (1,078). He is still not as well-known as many of the NBA's biggest stars, but more people who do know him like him, according to this research.

A double-edged sword

Carmelo Anthony's few setbacks have, in a strange way, contributed to an edginess people seem to like.

Bill Sanders, the marketing guru at Anthony's representation agency, chalks that up first to his basketball talent but also to his desire not to spit-shine every corner of his image.

"Would Melo be more marketable if he didn't speak his mind? Maybe, initially," Sanders said. "There are some edges to Melo. But the edginess to Melo makes him more approachable."

Anthony's setbacks - the cameo in a video made by drug dealers, a New York bar fight, his disagreements with coach George Karl - may have fed into this phenomenon.

Anthony has tried to distance himself from his mistakes, but he acknowledges those "edges."

"People finally started to realize this is who I am," Anthony said. "This is who I'm going to be. They can accept it or they can turn their backs on me. ... People relate to people who are true to themselves."

The Brand Jordan sneaker ad that depicts him walking in the rough streets of Baltimore features a fake newspaper with the headline "CARMELO LOSES IN 1ST ROUND AGAIN." Nike is marketing him partly with past disappointments instead of portraying him as godlike.

Kevin Liles, executive vice president of Warner Brothers Records, a fellow Baltimorean and big brother figure to Anthony for seven years, is the man in the ad holding that paper.

"I think he's a guy from around the way," Liles said. "One reason young America supports him is he is one of them. He's a great athlete. He's a great friend. He's a survivor. He's a kid in some ways. He's a growing adult."

Dean Bonham, head of a Denver-based sports marketing firm, calls this everyman strategy shrewd. While he acknowledges Anthony's occasional "temperamental outbursts haven't helped," Bonham places Anthony ahead of the curve for his ability to communicate with his fans and, of course, his skills.

"He's doing fundamentally what you have to do before anything approaching an iconic status happens - he has to be a professional and he has to be a superstar on the court," he said.

That combination of skills and authenticity is what helped draw 29-year-old Arvada accountant John Laws and his 4-year-old son, John, to a recent game. Chalk up two more jersey sales - although Anthony did see league-wide sales in that category dip from seventh last year to eighth this season.

"Honestly, even though all the off-court stuff goes on, I like how much he tries on-court," Laws said. "I like the entertainment value of Carmelo Anthony."

It takes a deep breath to list all of Anthony's enterprises.

There's the shoe, the energy bar, the athletic beverage - which was supposed to sell just in Asia but will also reach the U.S. this summer because of demand - the IndyCar team, the package of cellphone ring tones, pictures and games.

Neil Schwartz of SportsScan Info, a sales-tracking firm, said Anthony's sneaker ranks No. 2 over the past four weeks among active players. James is first. In the past year, he is third behind Kevin Garnett and James.

Anthony's Kross Over Entertainment produced a documentary on prison basketball and may invest in one on South African children. Calling this mini-kingdom "humbling," he said he wants a socially conscious element to some of his ventures.

Where does basketball fit into his long résumé? This year, he finished eighth in the NBA with a 26.5 scoring average, 5.5 points above his previous best.

Though Karl said Anthony has not become a leader yet, he said he saw improvement in every area of his game, adding he had "a second half that has to be respected by everyone."

The play's the thing

Coach George Karl says too many star athletes make their world stage "too corporate, too business."

The coach also has thought about where a posse of marketers, accountants and PR assistants fits into a player's life.

Though he would not apply this to Anthony, Karl said, "Sometimes we make it too corporate, too business. Basketball is the gym. It's a place where it's fun to hang out, it's fun to have camaraderie. Too many players today now seem to run their world as a corporate empire."

Elway agreed that working toward a championship must come before all the extras.

"Fame is fame," he said. "The real accomplishments are on the playing field for guys who want to be great."

Liles added: "He has to continue to keep the love of basketball in his mind. Not just think about it as a business, but keep that love of basketball that got him where he is. He did it for free once."

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Carmelo Anthony: Shooting For Elway Status

Please!!!!! The NBA is watched by a fraction of the people who watch the real and only game.... NFL football, and suggesting that any Nugget even comes close to the statue of John Elway is ludicrous!

[RhymesayersDU]

Carmelo Anthony: Shooting For Elway Status

Please!!!!! The NBA is watched by a fraction of the people who watch the real and only game.... NFL football, and suggesting that any Nugget even comes close to the statue of John Elway is ludicrous!
Further proof that there aren't IQ requirements to post on message boards.

[Play2win]

Who's Carmelo ???


I think a ton of people gave up on basketball, just like they did on baseball, except instead of it being the "Strike" thing, it was the "rap" thing...

I know I did...

The only sporting event that matters this time of the year is THE NFL DRAFT...

[wolf754life]

I take any mention of Carmelo "Baby Boy, Thug Life, No Snitch, or whatever else you want to call him" and John Elway together personally. Elway is a GOD! Carmelo is an overpaid lazy clown!

[Jason in LA]

On one hand it's silly to put Camelo in the same sentice with Elway.

But on the other hand it's silly to imply that there isn't a huge audience for the NBA. I heard on the radio that NBA games sold 91% of their tickets. That's across the entire league. That's a pretty good number. There are a boat load of people who are going to watch that sport. I don't know what the TV ratings are. I know they aren't close to the NFL. But who is?

[RhymesayersDU]

Look, I'm not saying Carmelo is Elway, or that he's going to replace him or anything. Elway will never be replaced, even if the Broncos get another QB who is great.

The only point that was being made in the article is that Carmelo has moved to Denver, and in his 3 years come to find out what Elway means to this city, and he strives to be that. He strives to win games, championships, be great, just like Elway did.

How people could take that the wrong way is beyond me. He looks up to him, he wants to be him. That's it.

[scorpio]

How people could take that the wrong way is beyond me.


You've been here long enough to know better than that.

[ClevelandBronco]

The last time I saw Carmelo he was wearing orange. I doubt I'll ever watch him play again.

[Clockwork Orange]

Look, I'm not saying Carmelo is Elway, or that he's going to replace him or anything. Elway will never be replaced, even if the Broncos get another QB who is great.

The only point that was being made in the article is that Carmelo has moved to Denver, and in his 3 years come to find out what Elway means to this city, and he strives to be that. He strives to win games, championships, be great, just like Elway did.

How people could take that the wrong way is beyond me. He looks up to him, he wants to be him. That's it.

Don't bother Rhyme. The haters will take this as some kind of slight towards Elway because that's the way they want to see it. Especially when it comes from someone who obviously doesn't fit the profile of what they think a Colorado sports icon should be.

I'll just say that he's still a month shy of his 22nd birthday, he's the first franchise player the Nuggets have had since Alex English retired and he brought excitement about the Nuggets back to this city. That makes him a sports icon in this town whether people choose to recognize it or accept it. I doubt that anyone will ever get to the level of Elway in terms of status in this region, but he could very well find his way into that next tier before all is said and done (and oddly enough, that's what he said he wanted to do).

[Play2win]

Even I will say JAKE is 100x closer to ELWAY than carmello...

[sirhcyennek81]

Nuggets need a player like Carmelo, Anthony needs to take this team into Phoenix, or San Antonio, and beat them 4 times. You become the best by beating the best. He does that, Denver fans will love him for it.

:Broncos:

[Play2win]

You've been here long enough to know better than that.

Denver is a G*D D*&%'d FOOTBALL TOWN, Thats Why!!!

[bombay]

I'm pulling for him. He's remarkably mature for a guy who's not yet 22. I also appreciate his candor. I don't want to hear from guys who will only say the PC things publically.

[Master___Pain]

I hope that all the people that are dimissing Carmelo's influence on Denver and Colorado live out of state. I can't see how someone living in state, that a sports fan, could not recognize what he's meant to the town's #2 team. Yes, the Nuggets are the #2 team folks. Been here for almost 40 years. Like it or hate, Melo is having a huge impact on the sports scene in Colorado.

I don't know why people are taking this in such an anti Elway way. Melo is trying to emulate the guy all bronco fans worship. That bastard!

[Clockwork Orange]

Denver is a G*D D*&%'d FOOTBALL TOWN, Thats Why!!!

It's also home to 3 other major professional sports teams. If you're too dense or too narrow minded to enjoy more than one sport that's your problem, but don't try to paint this entire city as being football only just because that's your own jaded preference.

[RhymesayersDU]

Even I will say JAKE is 100x closer to ELWAY than carmello...
You're right -- Jake is white, Carmelo's not.

[yavoon]

You're right -- Jake is white, Carmelo's not.

we should ask jake what he thinks about snitching.

[SoCalBronco]

Yes, the Nuggets are the #2 team folks.

I dont live in Denver and have never been to Colorado but I suspect that most big time sports fans in the state would probably say the Avalanche are No. 2.

[Play2win]

You're right -- Jake is white, Carmelo's not.
I Dare you to say it the other way around...

[scorpio]

I dont live in Denver and have never been to Colorado but I suspect that most big time sports fans in the state would probably say the Avalanche are No. 2.


Maybe 5 years ago, but not now.

[Master___Pain]

I dont live in Denver and have never been to Colorado but I suspect that most big time sports fans in the state would probably say the Avalanche are No. 2.

Then they have not lived in CO very long and gave the NHL a free pass for the strike.

[Clockwork Orange]

I dont live in Denver and have never been to Colorado but I suspect that most big time sports fans in the state would probably say the Avalanche are No. 2.

Here's the pecking order.

1. Broncos
2. Whichever of the Avs or Nuggets is doing better.
3. Whichever of the Avs or Nuggets is doing worse.
4. Rockies

[RhymesayersDU]

I Dare you to say it the other way around...
You're right -- Carmelo is black, Jake's not.

[Clockwork Orange]

we should ask jake what he thinks about snitching.

Or we could ask Carmelo what he thinks about assaulting strippers.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Basketball is a joke.

I guarantee all of you that Carmelo Anthony won't be a Nugget his entire career. Or even 10 years, for that matter.

Comparing him to an icon like Elway is ridiculous.

[Kaylore]

I could handle adding Melo to the Elway, Roy list.

[yavoon]

Or we could ask Carmelo what he thinks about assaulting strippers.

haha this would be such a good dual interview.

[Breck Bronc]

The Rockies will be #2 if they keep playing games like tonight and stay around .500 the rest of the season.

The Nuggets are not #2 right now after getting booed off the court in their regular season home finale.

[Clockwork Orange]

Basketball is a joke.

I guarantee all of you that Carmelo Anthony won't be a Nugget his entire career. Or even 10 years, for that matter.

Comparing him to an icon like Elway is ridiculous.

Your opening sentence is proof positive why you should stay the hell out of this conversation.

You don't know squat about the issue at hand, so why don't you run along and go see if your sister is getting any action that you can share with Chefsplanet, you dickless loser.

[Clockwork Orange]

Here, a peace offering to the "football only" crowd.

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/DXA10604070601.jpg

Notice the orange and blue wristbands worn by Carmelo. Obviously his way of paying homage to the Broncos. :yep:

[Play2win]

Everybody has their opinions...

All I am saying is I have alway been true to my Broncos, and, over time, I've lost faith– to some degree, in most other sports, and they have just faded away...

I miss the days of Alex English, Fat Lever, NATT, The Missle, Hanzlik and Doug Moe...

[bombay]

Out of towners have no idea what happens to the Nuggets' popularity in this town when they compete well in the playoffs.

Good for Carmelo. He couldn't pick a better guy to emulate, and Elway sounded like he understood what Carmelo meant.

[BroncoFiend]

You're right -- Carmelo is black, Jake's not.

Not really fair to automatically throw race into the picutre. There are more user names on this board that have some mention of 'Champ' than anything else. And if I remember correctly, TD was a pretty popular guy in Denver and around the country.

That is just a start there is countless more both in Colorado and everywhere else. The fact is Basketball is a distant fourth most popular sport behind Football, Baseball, and NASCAR (which I don't like but hey, numbers don't lie).

You were way to quick to pull the race card on this one...sorry.

[BroncoMan4ever]

I honestly think he just wants to b known as one of the best when he leaves the game. He wants his name amongst other greats who played in Colorado. The Broncos had Elway as there king and he is the hands down king of colorado still. The Avs have Sakic and Roy. and Melo wants to be the man from the basketball court.

[BroncoFiend]

I honestly think he just wants to b known as one of the best when he leaves the game. He wants his name amongst other greats who played in Colorado. The Broncos had Elway as there king and he is the hands down king of colorado still. The Avs have Sakic and Roy. and Melo wants to be the man from the basketball court.

I think it's great that he aspires to that, he should, he has the talent.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your opening sentence is proof positive why you should stay the hell out of this conversation.

You don't know squat about the issue at hand, so why don't you run along and go see if your sister is getting any action that you can share with Chefsplanet, you dickless loser.

LOL

Did I touch a nerve? Someone has a man crush on Carmelo.

[Clockwork Orange]

LOL

Did I touch a nerve? Someone has a man crush on Carmelo.

No, not really. It's just amazing to see an ignorant **** like you try to speak on a subject they know nothing about. You know dick about basketball, Carmelo Anthony or his standing amongst pro athletes in this region. Yet you try to pop in and talk like you have an opinion worth sharing.

[24champ]

LOL

Did I touch a nerve? Someone has a man crush on Carmelo.
Dont you have a crush on girls with dixs?.LOL

[Clockwork Orange]

Dont you have a crush on girls with dicks?.LOL

You're only half right. He doesn't like chicks.

[Play2win]

You're only half right. He doesn't like chicks.
Bob just likes Guys with T!TS...

One confused dude...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, not really. It's just amazing to see an ignorant **** like you try to speak on a subject they know nothing about. You know dick about basketball, Carmelo Anthony or his standing amongst pro athletes in this region. Yet you try to pop in and talk like you have an opinion worth sharing.

Eh, if you don't like my opinion that's fine, but settle down. Jeez.

[Master___Pain]

Eh, if you don't like my opinion that's fine, but settle down. Jeez.

You are the idiot that popped into a thread you don't know dick about. Your opinion as usual, sucks.

[24champ]

Bob just likes Guys with T!TS...

One confused dude...
LOL I dont think he is confused.....

[Master___Pain]

LOL I dont think he is confused.....

I'm not sure he's a dude

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Man, you guys are really sensitive about this subject. I'm guessing the thought of the Denver Nuggets being the NBA's Chiefs the last two years is wearing on you.

[SoCalBronco]

LOL

Did I touch a nerve? Someone has a man crush on Carmelo.

Someone's sitting in his mom's basement on the computer on a Friday night.

[Clockwork Orange]

Man, you guys are really sensitive about this subject. I'm guessing the thought of the Denver Nuggets being the NBA's Chiefs the last two years is wearing on you.

The Nuggets have won a playoff series more recently than the Chefs have won a playoff game. :laugh:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Someone's sitting in his mom's basement on the computer on a Friday night.

Two of us, I guess? LOL

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Nuggets have won a playoff series more recently than the Chefs have won a playoff game. :laugh:

Are you going to tell me about how Carmelo is better than Trent Green now? ;D

[Kaylore]

Are you going to tell me about how Carmelo is better than Trent Green now? ;D
Carmelo Anthony is a better athlete than Trent Green. He is also better at his position than Green is at his position.

[Clockwork Orange]

Are you going to tell me about how Carmelo is better than Trent Green now? ;D

No need. You seem to already be aware of it. ;D

[24champ]

Carmelo Anthony is a better athlete than Trent Green. He is also better at his position than Green is at his position.
yeah carmelo has actually won a playoff game.^5

[Clockwork Orange]

Carmelo Anthony is a better athlete than Trent Green. He is also better at his position than Green is at his position.

Heh heh, yeah. And he could kick his ass too! Heh heh, heh heh. ;D

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Carmelo Anthony is a better athlete than Trent Green. He is also better at his position than Green is at his position.

God. :bash:

[Master___Pain]

Wow, just ****ing wow. Bobkake has managed to get the chiefs involved in this thread. In a hoops thread. What could have been a good thread is ruined, again, by bobkake

[Kaylore]

Wow, just ****ing wow. Bobkake has managed to get the chiefs involved in this thread. In a hoops thread. What could have been a good thread is ruined, again, by bobkake
Are you surprised? He's so envious of us it makes him sick to his stomach.

[Master___Pain]

Are you surprised? He's so envious of us it makes him sick to his stomach.

No, I am not surprised. It just sucks that this thread, which was looking to be pretty good, was hijacked by this douche bag.

[24champ]

I think if Carmelo wins a couple of championships then he will be just a hair below Elway as far as sports icons in Denver go.

[Master___Pain]

I think if Carmelo wins a couple of championships then he will be just a hair below Elway as far as sports icons in Denver go.

And even then, I don't know that he'd be at Elways level. I think that if the Av's were Colorado's original NHL team, then Sakic, Forsberg (well not anymore) Roy's status would be elevated futher, but still no where near Elway level.. That being said, if Melo wins one championship, he'll be just below Elway and above Roy, Forsberg (see above)and Sakic. The Nuggs are a Denver original.

[Clockwork Orange]

I think if Carmelo wins a couple of championships then he will be just a hair below Elway as far as sports icons in Denver go.

No one in our lifetime will ever reach Elway status. If Carmelo can win a championship in his career, it'll put him on a level with guys like Sakic & Roy, but Elway will always remain a cut above the rest.

[24champ]

No one in our lifetime will ever reach Elway status. If Carmelo can win a championship in his career, it'll put him on a level with guys like Sakic & Roy, but Elway will always remain a cut above the rest.
No im saying if the Nuggets ever win 2-3 championships then yeah that is the only way I can see him coming close to Elway.

[Kaylore]

No im saying if the Nuggets ever win 2-3 championships then yeah that is the only way I can see him coming close to Elway. Yeah. The media seems to ignore how much of an Icon that Melo is. He is responsible for so many trends and is really a pop star. Chamionships put guys in that "special" category.

[24champ]

Yeah. The media seems to ignore how much of an Icon that Melo is. He is responsible for so many trends and is really a pop star. Chamionships put guys in that "special" category.
Im not a Nuggets fan but yeah Carmelo has already been to the playoffs a couple of times and he is how old? 22? Still very young and there is no denying that the potential is there.

[Crushaholic]

Elway was in Denver his entire career and personified the Denver Broncos. Will Carmelo be able to say that about his career and the Nuggets? We'll find out...

[RhymesayersDU]

Not really fair to automatically throw race into the picutre. There are more user names on this board that have some mention of 'Champ' than anything else. And if I remember correctly, TD was a pretty popular guy in Denver and around the country.

That is just a start there is countless more both in Colorado and everywhere else. The fact is Basketball is a distant fourth most popular sport behind Football, Baseball, and NASCAR (which I don't like but hey, numbers don't lie).

You were way to quick to pull the race card on this one...sorry.
You may be right, but come on, you're telling me Jake Plummer is closer to Elway then Carmelo? It's so far off base it's not even funny.

1) Every basketball fan in Colorado loves Carmelo. For football fans in Colorado (using this board as a sample), about half the people love Jake Plummer, and about half the people hate him.
2) Jake does not carry the Broncos like Carmelo carries the Nuggets.
3) Stats don't lie; Carmelo has been the most clutch player in the NBA this year. That means, when the game is on the line, he can be counted on to score. Who does that remind you of? Hmmmm, maybe Elway's 4th quarter magic? Where is Jake Plummer in the clutch? Nowhere to found, generally.
4) Carmelo Anthony means far more to his team then Jake Plummer does, period.

The only thing Jake and Elway have in common is race, and position. If you want to argue that Carmelo will never be on that level, that's fine. But to say that Jake Plummer of all people is closer to Elway's level, that's just ludicrous.

[-Slap-]

So, everybody was cool with this?

In my opinion, Anthony is a great player and he might be a good person, but he's going to have to go a long way to live this down.

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/1203/3967366_200X150.jpg
Carmelo Anthony appears in a
DVD called "Stop Snitching" with
a self-confessed drug dealer.

Carmelo Anthony Featured In Drug Video (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/3967329/detail.html)

Nuggets Star Says He Threw Olympic Medal In Lake

DENVER -- Denver Nuggets star Carmelo Anthony is featured in an underground DVD that is circulating in his home town of Baltimore, Md.

Carmelo Anthony appears in a DVD called "Stop Snitching" with a self-confessed drug dealer.

The DVD is called "Stop Snitching" and shows alleged drug dealers talking about what happens to people who cooperate with the police, and Anthony is standing next to one of them.

He is also seen on the DVD talking about his Olympic bronze medal and saying that he threw it in a lake. The man he stands next to later goes on to tell how he would take care of snitches by "putting a hole in their head." However, Anthony does not appear to be taking part in that portion of the discussion.

The DVD showed up for sale for $10 within the last week on Baltimore's streets. The production includes music, dancing and spoken messages, with clips showing men stuffing wads of cash into their pockets, driving in convertibles, smoking marijuana and flashing diamond-encrusted watches.

In one segment, Anthony stands on a street, wearing a red shirt and baseball hat and laughing while another man talks about life on the street, snitches and the NBA. Anthony, 20, doesn't respond to any of the comments about violence, except to laugh. The credits of the DVD include a special thanks to "Melo," Anthony's nickname.

The DVD is produced by an alleged drug dealer named Skinny Shuge.

Carmelo's agent, Calvin Andrews, told 7SPORTS that Carmelo did not know he would be in the video.

"I don't think he ever knew that this was going to be on a DVD and, if he did, I don't think he would ever get involved with it or have any affiliation with it at all," said Andrews.

Andrews said that Anthony grew up on the streets of Baltimore, where murders and drug deals happen often, but he doesn't expect a lot of people to understand that type of environment.

"I just think he was hanging out with some guys that he probably knew growing up and was just hanging out ... They got to talking and the last thing he was going to do is run away from it, so he just hung out with the guys. The last thing he thought is that it would be a production -- a DVD selling in the streets," Andrews said.

The DVD's cover bears the title, "Stop Snitching," and a photocopied image and name for the apparent artist, "Skinny Suge." The cover also has photocopied images of what appear to be dead shooting victims.

"How many kids do you think are going to watch this DVD and think it's OK because Carmelo was there?" asked Marc Cannadi, 37, an activist who spent 20 years in prison for armed robbery, attempted murder and drug distribution. "This sends an insidious message that drugs are the only way to achieve this type of success."

Anthony said Friday the DVD was made when he visited Baltimore last summer after the Athens Olympics.

Michael Millemann, a University of Maryland-Baltimore professor specializing in criminal law said the DVD didn't appear to give prosecutors reason to charge Anthony.

"Anthony didn't say it, so his mere presence is not enough to assume that he's got criminal liability," Millemann said. "And we don't know the context in which the speaker said it -- whether it was a joke or just a stupid comment or whether the speaker was intending to threaten someone."

But community activists in Baltimore's inner city say Anthony's appearance in the DVD, even if unintentional, could make their jobs harder.

"There's nothing wrong for the guys who make it out of the ghetto to come back to the dirt. But come back and make a real difference," said Walker Gladden III, an activist who mentors children in areas of high drug trafficking. "If he was here talking about positive things in our community, how many kids would come running to see what that was about?"

Benita Paschall, executive director of the Baltimore Prevention Coalition, said the DVD might be "far more harmless than we think it is. It could be no more dangerous than the stuff they're already seeing on MTV or other places. On the other hand, it's certainly difficult for us to compete with these kinds of messages."

Anthony said the DVD was no worse than commercial productions.

"You watch music videos all day and see that," he said. "You could say the same thing if I was in a music video. I'm not really concerned about it. ... I don't hang with drug dealers. I surround myself with good people."

Matt Jablow, a spokesman for Baltimore's police department, said Friday that police "are quite familiar with most of the people shown on the DVD."

He said no arrests were planned. "Anybody can make a DVD; it's not illegal."

Mayor Martin O'Malley did not respond to requests for comment Friday.

Since a 2001 firebombing deaths of neighborhood activist Angela Dawson, her husband and five of her children after she reported a dealer to police, O'Malley has mounted a "Believe" advertising campaign asking residents to cooperation with police.

Dawson's mother, Donnell Golden, called the DVD a reflection of life in some Baltimore neighborhoods.

"That DVD is telling people straight up what's going to happen to them," Golden said. "Some people are going to stand up to the dealers anyway, and some are going to back away. It's a choice that each person has to make. My daughter didn't look away. She did what we should all do. Stand up and fight."

Copyright 2004 by TheDenverChannel.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[extralife]

Some part of me feels that ninety percent of the non-basketball fans that diss on Melo are just closet racists.

[-Slap-]

Some part of me feels that ninety percent of the non-basketball fans that diss on Melo are just closet racists.
What about the other ten percent?

[watermock]

I don't have any real problems with Melo. I get pretty good vibes off the kid. He has to watch his back tho and not make any more mistakes. He's on the verge of a max contract that will make him a very rich man.

[watermock]

1984/85: The Kings would get off to an awful start losing 8 of their first 9 games as new Coach Jack McKinney steps down and is replaced by Phil Johnson, who had last coached the Kings 7 years earlier. As the season wore and the Kings struggles continued, as owners announced that the team was moving to Sacramento. This would leave the Kings playing in front of an empty house most of the season often drawing less then 4,000 fans at Kemper Arena. The Kings would go on to finish in last place with a 31-51 record, playing their final game at Kemper Arena on April 14th in front of 11,371 fans. Just 2 days later the NBA Board of Governors voted unanimously to allow the club to relocate to Sacramento.

Your a dumbass Bob http://70shangout.tripod.com/wither.jpg

[NyBroncsFan77]

I think Carmelo is to Basketball as Elway was to Football. When I was in Denver back in '96 the only way radio stations would even advertise Nuggets games were by stating what teams were coming into to play them. Come watch the Bulls. Lakers, Celtics stuff like that. Now I also know that Now your having discussions on Nba in Denver which means Carmelo is doing something good there.

Now when I was there last July I was downtown looking for directions and told a Security guard I was headed to Rockies stadium so I could watch them play later that night and basically was checking my routes and his response was I'm sorry your going to see them. Like most cities the fan base is based around who is doing great at the time. You can't say a city is strickly a One team city unless they have literally only one team.

Now I watched Carmelo back in his Syracuse days even got to watch him play at the Dome, (gotta love living half an hour away). Even us Syracuse fans still feel our team may not be the best as when he was in here doesnt stop us from routing for them. But we are not a One team town. We just only have One good team.

[Nuggets4]

Wow, just ****ing wow. Bobkake has managed to get the chiefs involved in this thread. In a hoops thread. What could have been a good thread is ruined, again, by bobkake

This thread was almost ruined from the first moment it was posted. Good idea Rhyme, just a bad board to post it on.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Further proof that there aren't IQ requirements to post on message boards.

:rofl: LOL

Ignorant! You post a story that compares CA to the great John Elway ( the greatest NFL player of all-time) and expect not to get some boos?

One more time, the NBA SUCKS compared to the real and only game... NFL Football.

Next time think about what board you're posting this tripe on.

[Play2win]

One more time, the NBA SUCKS compared to the real and only game... NFL Football.

Next time think about what board you're posting this tripe on.

Quoted for T • R • U • T • H

[Tredici]

Here's the pecking order.

1. Broncos
2. Whichever of the Avs or Nuggets is doing better.
3. Whichever of the Avs or Nuggets is doing worse.
4. Rockies

Actually Denver has always been a very enthusiatic Baseball town. The Bears regularly outdrew many of the major league ballparks. The City embraced the Rockies and there were consistent sell outs until the fans got smart enough to realize they were being sold out and started declining season tickets. If the Rockies organization ever pulls their heads out, and put a good product back on the field the fans will be there.

But I don't see what the big deal is. The Avs have a zillion consecutive sellouts. The Nuggets are packing them in. Carmello Anthony has the talent to be a certified superstar. We saw the best of the best in John Elway and Patrick Roy.

I'm happy as all get out to have all of them playing where I can homer on.

[Vegas_Bronco]

elway : magicjohnson; carmelo : butt nugget

carmelo is way tooo lazy to ever get to Elway's level. Plus, the dude just doesn't bring it home like Elway did.

[Tredici]

elway : magicjohnson; carmelo : butt nugget

carmelo is way tooo lazy to ever get to Elway's level. Plus, the dude just doesn't bring it home like Elway did.

Guess you haven't been counting Melo's last shot comebacks...

:)

[RhymesayersDU]

:rofl: LOL

Ignorant! You post a story that compares CA to the great John Elway ( the greatest NFL player of all-time) and expect not to get some boos?

One more time, the NBA SUCKS compared to the real and only game... NFL Football.

Next time think about what board you're posting this tripe on.
See, you're missing the point. Nobody once compared the two. Nobody is comparing Carmelo to Elway. All anybody is saying is, Carmelo wants to be like him. Carmelo will never replace or even get to his level. But if the kid wants to try, I think that's great.

You sir, are the ignorant one. You can't even read or comprehend.

[Vegas_Bronco]

The ignorant one is Ray Lewis comparing himself to the 'MICHAEL JORDAN' of football. I guess he's got the 'OJ' attitude now - people can't help but hate the dude with an attitude like this.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

See, you're missing the point. Nobody once compared the two. Nobody is comparing Carmelo to Elway. All anybody is saying is, Carmelo wants to be like him. Carmelo will never replace or even get to his level. But if the kid wants to try, I think that's great.

You sir, are the ignorant one. You can't even read or comprehend.

BS! You are the one that can't comprehend what you posted.

Carmelo Anthony: Shooting For Elway Status

No Nugget player will EVER reach John Elway status!!!!!

And just for you, one more time....






The NBA SUCKS!!!!!
:thanku:

[Nuggets4]

The NBA SUCKS!!!!!
:thanku:

Then get out of the damn thread talking about the NBA.

[bombay]

I hope this means Carmelo is planning on being in Denver for the long haul. If he keeps improving and maturing the way he has over the last year, he can approach Elway status.

[Nuggets4]

I hope this means Carmelo is planning on being in Denver for the long haul. If he keeps improving and maturing the way he has over the last year, he can approach Elway status.

He's already said numerous times that he wants to play here his entire career.

[ozomulsion]

Has anybody said
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1319/nelson5pi.jpg
yet?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Then get out of the damn thread talking about the NBA.

I will as soon as the damn NBA thread dissing the great John Elway is out of the BRONCOS forum,,,,,, :-*

[RhymesayersDU]

BS! You are the one that can't comprehend what you posted.



No Nugget player will EVER reach John Elway status!!!!!

And just for you, one more time....






The NBA SUCKS!!!!!
:thanku:
Well, you've proved it for the third time.

You have no argument so you just use a last resort, "The NBA Sucks."

It must really suck to go through life being that stupid.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, you've proved it for the third time.
You have no argument so you just use a last resort, "The NBA Sucks."
It must really suck to go through life being that stupid.

That's the point!! There is no argument mentioning his name in the same sentence as John Elway and status. You're on the wrong board trying to pass that sh*t off here, only a bonehead couldn't figure that out.

[RhymesayersDU]

That's the point!! There is no argument mentioning his name in the same sentence as John Elway and status. You're on the wrong board trying to pass that sh*t off here, only a bonehead couldn't figure that out.
Ignorance is bliss.

[Nuggets4]

Hey Rhyme, you get tickets to any home playoff games yet?

[scorpio]

How much are they supposed to go for? I might have to RTD my ass downtown

[Boobs McGee]

Nice article. Melo is definitely going to be one of the greats in basketball lore. I'm extremely happy to have him here in Denver, where I KNOW he's going to bring us at least two championships down the road. How great is it to have such a great sports town? LOVE IT!

As far as all of this anger with Carmelo goes...come on people. The man never compared himself to John Elway. He is NOT trying to take over Elway's untouchable status, he simply wants to be mentioned as the Next Guy.

"I want to be that guy - when they mention Elway, they mention Carmelo Anthony," he said. "Right now, it's Elway. I want to be that next guy."

Is it that horrible when you've got a superstar in the making trying to be another Icon in a famous sports town? We all know that the Bronco's reign supreme here, but the Nuggets are the only other team in town that's been around for the long haul.

I think it's GREAT that we've got someone who WANTS to bring this town championships, and WANTS to strive to be the best in his sport. I think it's GREAT that we've got a talented athlete that wants to be remembered in a town that loves it's superstars.

Go Melo go

[Bronco_Beerslug]

So, everybody was cool with this?

In my opinion, Anthony is a great player and he might be a good person, but he's going to have to go a long way to live this down.

Yeah great stuff Carmelo, you have John Elway status written all over you!

The DVD is called "Stop Snitching" and shows alleged drug dealers talking about what happens to people who cooperate with the police, and Anthony is standing next to one of them.

He is also seen on the DVD talking about his Olympic bronze medal and saying that he threw it in a lake.

In one segment, Anthony stands on a street, wearing a red shirt and baseball hat and laughing while another man talks about life on the street, snitches and the NBA. Anthony, 20, doesn't respond to any of the comments about violence, except to laugh. The credits of the DVD include a special thanks to "Melo," Anthony's nickname.

The DVD is produced by an alleged drug dealer named Skinny Shuge.

The DVD's cover bears the title, "Stop Snitching," and a photocopied image and name for the apparent artist, "Skinny Suge." The cover also has photocopied images of what appear to be dead shooting victims.

"How many kids do you think are going to watch this DVD and think it's OK because Carmelo was there?" asked Marc Cannadi, 37, an activist who spent 20 years in prison for armed robbery, attempted murder and drug distribution. "This sends an insidious message that drugs are the only way to achieve this type of success."

[Play2win]

Man I can't believe all these ELWAY HATERS...

[loborugger]

The thing about this article that a lot of people are missing is this...

SHOOTING

In other words, Melo isnt there yet as both the article and Carmelo himself say.

I dont live in Denver, so I cant speak of the local impact of Melo on the town, just as I cant speak for the impact of Elway on the town. However, standing outside, and talking to people from the Denver area, I do have an idea of how Elway was viewed in Denver.

Carmelo might be able to achieve Elway status. But it will be much harder for him. When Elway played in Denver, it was pretty much a one sport town. Melo doesnt have that going for him.

As an outsider (so take it for what its worth), Melo would have to do the following... 1. Win, and a lot. 2. Stay in the town. 3. Carry the team, the way John did. 4. Transcend his sport the way Elway did. Lets face it, people who werent Broncos fans (or even NFL fans) knew who John was. There is only one or two NBA players like that right now - Shaq & Kobe (and Kobe partially for the wrong reason). Guys like LeBron and Wade have a shot of becoming household names.

If Melo can do all that - and keep his nose clean from now on - then I would say he could reach Elway status.

[RhymesayersDU]

Nice article. Melo is definitely going to be one of the greats in basketball lore. I'm extremely happy to have him here in Denver, where I KNOW he's going to bring us at least two championships down the road. How great is it to have such a great sports town? LOVE IT!

As far as all of this anger with Carmelo goes...come on people. The man never compared himself to John Elway. He is NOT trying to take over Elway's untouchable status, he simply wants to be mentioned as the Next Guy.

"I want to be that guy - when they mention Elway, they mention Carmelo Anthony," he said. "Right now, it's Elway. I want to be that next guy."

Is it that horrible when you've got a superstar in the making trying to be another Icon in a famous sports town? We all know that the Bronco's reign supreme here, but the Nuggets are the only other team in town that's been around for the long haul.

I think it's GREAT that we've got someone who WANTS to bring this town championships, and WANTS to strive to be the best in his sport. I think it's GREAT that we've got a talented athlete that wants to be remembered in a town that loves it's superstars.

Go Melo go

Quoted For Truth.

[RhymesayersDU]

Hey Rhyme, you get tickets to any home playoff games yet?
Not yet. There are some on ticketmaster, but they're like, last row seats. I may do some searching and see what I can find elsewhere.

[Clockwork Orange]

I will as soon as the damn NBA thread dissing the great John Elway is out of the BRONCOS forum,,,,,, :-*

This is exactly what I talked about earlier. People like this can't see this article for what it is, rather they see it as a perceived slight towards Elway because that's what they want to see. Pay them no mind.

[extralife]

John Elway is an asshole anyway, and I'd much rather Our Town be associated with Melo then that buffoon.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This is exactly what I talked about earlier. People like this can't see this article for what it is, rather they see it as a perceived slight towards Elway because that's what they want to see. Pay them no mind.
No it isn't. Read <a href="http://tinyurl.com/l5azc">this</a> and then come back here tell me how it's just a matter of time before this fine, upstanding individual will climb to John Elway status.

[scorpio]

No it isn't. Read this (http://tinyurl.com/l5azc) and then come back here tell me how it's just a matter of time before this fine, upstanding individual will climb to John Elway status.

I think you pretty much lost all credibility with regard to character judgements when you vilified Ricky Williams for his pot smoking past while simultaneously pimping Jamal Williams.

[Clockwork Orange]

No it isn't. Read <a href="http://tinyurl.com/l5azc">this</a> and then come back here tell me how it's just a matter of time before this fine, upstanding individual will climb to John Elway status.

I could make some remarks about Elway not being a saint himself here, but I'll refrain. You seem to have your mind wrapped around some imaginary slight towards Elway, I'll let you keep running with those.

[TDmvp]

i feel sorry for Carmelo LOL ... This statement wasnt ment to be a Dis or anything ... BUT he should have thought it out a little before opening his big mouth ... Elway in Denver is a little Diff then most other BIG city sport stars ... The cities that have the PAST so called mega stars IE Jordan, Any Yanks star , Montana , so on HAVE NOT BEEN the only game in town to that city like John to denver...only thing close is like say Kirby to Minn.
I dont think Carmelo is in the right Sport or a team that can win enuff big spotlight games to ever matter in NBA standards let alone vs John ... so Carmelos going to get into the Jordan , Magic , Bird , Big O , ranks not hardly... hes a great player tho ... maybe in 5 years we can retalk this point LOL ...

[Clockwork Orange]

I think you pretty much lost all credibility with regard to character judgements when you vilified Ricky Williams for his pot smoking past while simultaneously pimping Jamal Williams.

And Terrell Owens.

[Clockwork Orange]

i feel sorry for Carmelo LOL ... This statement wasnt ment to be a Dis or anything ... BUT he should have thought it out a little before opening his big mouth ... Elway in Denver is a little Diff then most other BIG city sport stars ... The cities that have the PAST so called mega stars IE Jordan, Any Yanks star , Montana , so on HAVE NOT BEEN the only game in town to that city like John to denver...only thing close is like say Kirby to Minn.
I dont think Carmelo is in the right Sport or a team that can win enuff big spotlight games to ever matter in NBA standards let alone vs John ... so Carmelos going to get into the Jordan , Magic , Bird , Big O , ranks not hardly... hes a great player tho ... maybe in 5 years we can retalk this point LOL ...

All he said was that he wants to be a Colorado sports icon in line with Elway. In no way did he compare himself to Elway, but that sure seems to be the way the haters took it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think you pretty much lost all credibility with regard to character judgements when you vilified Ricky Williams for his pot smoking past while simultaneously pimping Jamal Williams.

Wrong, I didn't pimp Jamal Lewis and my credibility isn't in question in this thread, CA's is.

[TDmvp]

clockwork thats why i feels sorry for him ... it was a no win remark ...he didnt mean anything BAD by it ... its just realez for haters to take it that way .. I think hes a good kid

[Clockwork Orange]

clockwork thats why i feels sorry for him ... it was a no win remark ...he didnt mean anything BAD by it ... its just realez for haters to take it that way .. I think hes a good kid

No matter what he says, a certain faction of people will criticize him for one reason or another. It's become pretty common.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

clockwork thats why i feels sorry for him ... it was a no win remark ...he didnt mean anything BAD by it ... its just realez for haters to take it that way .. I think hes a good kid

"Good kids" pimp DVDs with drug dealers?

The DVD is called "Stop Snitching" and shows alleged drug dealers talking about what happens to people who cooperate with the police, and Anthony is standing next to one of them.

He is also seen on the DVD talking about his Olympic bronze medal and saying that he threw it in a lake.

Quote:
In one segment, Anthony stands on a street, wearing a red shirt and baseball hat and laughing while another man talks about life on the street, snitches and the NBA. Anthony, 20, doesn't respond to any of the comments about violence, except to laugh. The credits of the DVD include a special thanks to "Melo," Anthony's nickname.

The DVD is produced by an alleged drug dealer named Skinny Shuge.

Quote:
The DVD's cover bears the title, "Stop Snitching," and a photocopied image and name for the apparent artist, "Skinny Suge." The cover also has photocopied images of what appear to be dead shooting victims.

"How many kids do you think are going to watch this DVD and think it's OK because Carmelo was there?" asked Marc Cannadi, 37, an activist who spent 20 years in prison for armed robbery, attempted murder and drug distribution. "This sends an insidious message that drugs are the only way to achieve this type of success."

[scorpio]

Hey! Did You Guys Know That Carmello Anthony Was On A Dvd Where They Told People Not To Snitch!!!!!?????

Everybody knows what happened, Beerslug, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a hippocrit.

[TDmvp]

I live in Cincy we dont have a NBA team and never really got into the Bengals ... heheh
Iv loved the Bronocs sence i was 5 on 30 now .. "about when they drafted John"
My name is C.R. Douglas ... so when Rockies became a team i knew my love Denver was Fate :O) "my names on their hat for the love of god" LOL
so i adopted the Rockies

When Nugs got Carmelo i was like cool i can use them on nba live now LOL to stay with my denver loven and sence Reggies gone "always liked Pacers and im Anti Jordan" so sence Reggies gone GO NUGS !!!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Hey! Did You Guys Know That Carmello Anthony Was On A Dvd Where They Told People Not To Snitch!!!!!?????

Isn't that cool? John Elway status is only a heartbeat away, eh?


Carmelo Anthony Featured In Drug Video
Nuggets Star Says He Threw Olympic Medal In Lake

Anthony said the DVD was no worse than commercial productions.

"You watch music videos all day and see that," he said. "You could say the same thing if I was in a music video. I'm not really concerned about it. ..

[TDmvp]

Jeezs now we all going to fight over me calling him a good kid ... maybe get a life or something ... I just ment he dont come off like a a$$ hole or typical POS NBA player ... GRow Up you Fing drama queens ..

[Clockwork Orange]

"Good kids" pimp DVDs with drug dealers?

The DVD is called "Stop Snitching" and shows alleged drug dealers talking about what happens to people who cooperate with the police, and Anthony is standing next to one of them.

He is also seen on the DVD talking about his Olympic bronze medal and saying that he threw it in a lake.

Quote:
In one segment, Anthony stands on a street, wearing a red shirt and baseball hat and laughing while another man talks about life on the street, snitches and the NBA. Anthony, 20, doesn't respond to any of the comments about violence, except to laugh. The credits of the DVD include a special thanks to "Melo," Anthony's nickname.

The DVD is produced by an alleged drug dealer named Skinny Shuge.

Quote:
The DVD's cover bears the title, "Stop Snitching," and a photocopied image and name for the apparent artist, "Skinny Suge." The cover also has photocopied images of what appear to be dead shooting victims.

"How many kids do you think are going to watch this DVD and think it's OK because Carmelo was there?" asked Marc Cannadi, 37, an activist who spent 20 years in prison for armed robbery, attempted murder and drug distribution. "This sends an insidious message that drugs are the only way to achieve this type of success."




19 year olds who grew up in inner city Baltimore do. But I forgot, people aren't allowed to make mistakes in Slug's narrow view of the world.

I guess you can't root for Jake Plummer or Rod Smith either Slug, they committed acts worse than Carmelo appearing on that DVD in their younger days. Or do you have different standards for your beloved football players? Oh wait, I guess you don't since you've been railing on Ricky Williams for months now. Too bad for Jake & Rod, I guess they're both just bad guys.

So anyone whos ever made a mistake is officially a bad guy in Slug's eyes. That is if you're not a hypocrite as scorpio has alluded to.

[BroncoFiend]

You may be right, but come on, you're telling me Jake Plummer is closer to Elway then Carmelo? It's so far off base it's not even funny.

1) Every basketball fan in Colorado loves Carmelo. For football fans in Colorado (using this board as a sample), about half the people love Jake Plummer, and about half the people hate him.
2) Jake does not carry the Broncos like Carmelo carries the Nuggets.
3) Stats don't lie; Carmelo has been the most clutch player in the NBA this year. That means, when the game is on the line, he can be counted on to score. Who does that remind you of? Hmmmm, maybe Elway's 4th quarter magic? Where is Jake Plummer in the clutch? Nowhere to found, generally.
4) Carmelo Anthony means far more to his team then Jake Plummer does, period.

The only thing Jake and Elway have in common is race, and position. If you want to argue that Carmelo will never be on that level, that's fine. But to say that Jake Plummer of all people is closer to Elway's level, that's just ludicrous.

I absolutely agree that Jake is no closer to 'Elway status' than Carmelo. In fact if one or the other is closer it's Carmelo. I just think by closer he is standing on a second story roof, while Jake is on the ground and Elway is in a jet 3 miles up.

JMO.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

19 year olds who grew up in inner city Baltimore do. But I forgot, people aren't allowed to make mistakes in Slug's narrow view of the world.

I guess you can't root for Jake Plummer or Rod Smith either Slug, they committed acts worse than Carmelo appearing on that DVD in their younger days. Or do you have different standards for your beloved football players? Oh wait, I guess you don't since you've been railing on Ricky Williams for months now. Too bad for Jake & Rod, I guess they're both just bad guys.

So anyone whos ever made a mistake is officially a bad guy in Slug's eyes. That is if you're not a hypocrite as scorpio has alluded to.

First off, like I said, he's not a NFL player so right there prevents him from ever reaching John Elway status as only a fraction of people follow basketball compared to NFL football. And neither Jake or Rod have any shot either but have a 100 times better chance than CA.

But ultimate requirement is performing above all peers which John Elway did and CA will never come close to.

[Clockwork Orange]

First off, like I said, he's not a NFL player so right there prevents him from ever reaching John Elway status as only a fraction of people follow basketball compared to NFL football. And neither Jake or Rod have any shot either but have a 100 times better chance than CA.

But ultimate requirement is performing above all peers which John Elway did and CA will never come close to.

Again, this is in your narrow view, not the view of the masses. So hate all you like and cling to the DVD incident from two years ago, it doesn't change the fact that Carmelo already is a Colorado sports icon at age 21 and is still only in the beginning stages of his career.

[-Slap-]

Again, this is in your narrow view, not the view of the masses. So hate all you like and cling to the DVD incident from two years ago, it doesn't change the fact that Carmelo already is a Colorado sports icon at age 21 and is still only in the beginning stages of his career.

I think it was a case of a young person doing something stupid. I was disappointed, but glad to see he hasn't had anything negative happen since then, and all indications are nothing else will happen.

Do any Nugget fans think maybe it might have been cool if Melo said he hoped to make the same kind of mark on the city as the great Alex English?

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/img/AlexEnglish1.jpg

The eight time All Star played 15 seasons in the NBA and was 100% pure class every second of every day. He averaged 21.5 points a game and finished 14th on the all time scoring list. That means the man scored more points than Jerry West, Larry Bird or Charles Barkley, which I find to be a noteworthy accomplishment.

[scorpio]

Man I love those uniforms. When I was like 5 I had one of the old school shirts that actually had a gold nugget on it

[Play2win]

I think it was a case of a young person doing something stupid. I was disappointed, but glad to see he hasn't had anything negative happen since then, and all indications are nothing else will happen.

Do any Nugget fans think maybe it might have been cool if Melo said he hoped to make the same kind of mark on the city as the great Alex English?

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/img/AlexEnglish1.jpg


It's all about the Running ONE-HANDER... :thumbsup:

[Willynowei]

I feel the nuggets are a good team, but i don't see what's so special about Carmelo. He puts up numbers but he's not so fun to watch.

Earl Boykins on the other hand.. WoW. Every time i see that guy i want to play basketball... How tall is that guy? Man, they should put him on the billboards instead of Carmelo. Too bad he can't be in "got milk" commercials.... LOL

[eddie mac]

Carmelo's shooting for fvck all at the moment. 1/5 4pts against the Clipps after 1/4.

[Rock Chalk]

You've been here long enough to know better than that.
Right.

I mean, this should be common knowledge by the third day that whatever you post, some asshat is going to read it wrong, or worse yet, not read it at all and assume they know what they are talking about.

NBA is OK after the first round of the playoffs, but it is a far cry from the golden age of basketball (80s baby, the 80s, what a great time for hoops).

Ya know, I dont care fo the nuggets, and from Melo did to KU in the championship game, I should probably dislike that bastard but, I dont. Not sure why but I like to see him do well.

[Pendejo]

I think it was a case of a young person doing something stupid. I was disappointed, but glad to see he hasn't had anything negative happen since then, and all indications are nothing else will happen.

Do any Nugget fans think maybe it might have been cool if Melo said he hoped to make the same kind of mark on the city as the great Alex English?

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/img/AlexEnglish1.jpg

The eight time All Star played 15 seasons in the NBA and was 100% pure class every second of every day. He averaged 21.5 points a game and finished 14th on the all time scoring list. That means the man scored more points than Jerry West, Larry Bird or Charles Barkley, which I find to be a noteworthy accomplishment.

English has always flown under the radar. I think when he retired he was actually the 8th all time leading scorer in NBA history. I'm pulling that from memory, so I'm probably wrong. It's impossible to prove, but I'd wager that Carmelo Anthony didn't know who Alex English is until he arrived in Denver.

He's probably just as well known for his portrayal of the protesting NBA great in the cinematic assault on the cold war known as "Amazing Grace & Chuck"...as he is for his brilliant NBA career.

[Taco John]

I love Caramello. But a candy bar isn't going to make anyone forget about Elway unless it has a golden ticket in it to the Superbowl.

http://www.bewarethecheese.com/caramello.jpg


http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/site-art/interiar-banner.jpg

[Nuggets4]

I feel the nuggets are a good team, but i don't see what's so special about Carmelo. He puts up numbers but he's not so fun to watch.

Earl Boykins on the other hand.. WoW. Every time i see that guy i want to play basketball... How tall is that guy? Man, they should put him on the billboards instead of Carmelo. Too bad he can't be in "got milk" commercials.... LOL

That's funny because every time I see Boykins play basketball, I want to break something.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Carmelo's shooting at Elway? Maybe he should just concentrate on shooting at the BASKET. Dude went 9-26 last night in a 2 point loss.

[alanm]

He's already said numerous times that he wants to play here his entire career.
Right up until someone offers him more money. :)

[Rock Chalk]

English has always flown under the radar. I think when he retired he was actually the 8th all time leading scorer in NBA history. I'm pulling that from memory, so I'm probably wrong. It's impossible to prove, but I'd wager that Carmelo Anthony didn't know who Alex English is until he arrived in Denver.

He's probably just as well known for his portrayal of the protesting NBA great in the cinematic assault on the cold war known as "Amazing Grace & Chuck"...as he is for his brilliant NBA career.
Alex English is the reason I started watching basketball. I had just started getting into sports and fell in love with football immediately. But as that season wore down, I switched to basketball and since I was in Denver at the time I was a Nuggets fan and Alex English was my favorite player in the league.

This is a league that had Magic, Bird, Kareem, Dr J, Wilkins, even Jordan later in English's career, Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Stockton.

And English was either #1 or #2 in scoring every year I was a nuggets fan. Loved Alex English and *I* consider him as great a Denver icon as Elway.

[RhymesayersDU]

And English was either #1 or #2 in scoring every year I was a nuggets fan. Loved Alex English and *I* consider him as great a Denver icon as Elway.

Watch out, one of the gays with a hard-on for Elway is about to come in and tell you how stupid you are.

Not that you've ever cared, but yeah.

OMGz st0p di$$ing Elway!!11111

[Taco John]

Most people don't even know who Alex English is. To call him a Denver icon on the same level as Elway is about as culturally meaningful as calling Nick Van Exel a Denver icon. There is legitimate personal meaning there, but not enough cultural meaning to even mention.

Culturally there isn't an athlete in Denver who has transcended sports like Elway has. Part of it is the history of the Broncos. Part of it is what Elway has done in the community, including his businesses... and the other part, of course, is the huge losses followed by the huge wins.

It would help Mellow if anybody cared about the NBA.

[Nuggets4]

Most people don't even know who Alex English is. To call him a Denver icon on the same level as Elway is about as culturally meaningful as calling Nick Van Exel a Denver icon. There is legitimate personal meaning there, but not enough cultural meaning to even mention.

Seriously, comparing English to Nick The Prick is a death penalty worthy offense.

[Rock Chalk]

Most people don't even know who Alex English is. To call him a Denver icon on the same level as Elway is about as culturally meaningful as calling Nick Van Exel a Denver icon. There is legitimate personal meaning there, but not enough cultural meaning to even mention.

But that's not what I did now is it, or do you need help reading you ****ing dip****? Ban this. Im tired of your ass criticizing anything anyone has to say about Elway unless that he is comparable to God Himself. **** that. Elway was just a QB who was great for Denver, but thats it. Get over your obsession.

This is what a said you 3rd grade buffoon: Loved Alex English and *I* consider him as great a Denver icon as Elway.
Note the asterisks around "I", as in to emphasis that I consider him as much of an icon to Denver as Elway. In no way did I imply you, or anyone else would. In fact, I didnt mention you at all and since this thread has nothing to do with bashing either the NBA or Alex English, butt your ****ing ass out.

Culturally there isn't an athlete in Denver who has transcended sports like Elway has. Part of it is the history of the Broncos. Part of it is what Elway has done in the community, including his businesses... and the other part, of course, is the huge losses followed by the huge wins.

Again, you speak for yourself. You may speak for other people if that is your desire, but Alex English caught my attention as the greatest Denver athlete in his time, NOT John Elway. As great as Elway was, he was never the best at his position while Alex English played basketball for the Nuggets. It wasnt until much later that Elway's status, to ME anyway for that is all I am expertise at speaking for, trumped English's.

It would help Mellow if anybody cared about the NBA.
People do care about the NBA, just not irrelevant schmucks like you.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

People do care about the NBA, just not irrelevant schmucks like you.
Elway is the only true god :thanku:

[DarkHorse30]

But that's not what I did now is it, or do you need help reading you ****ing dip****? Ban this. Im tired of your ass criticizing anything anyone has to say about Elway unless that he is comparable to God Himself. **** that. Elway was just a QB who was great for Denver, but thats it. Get over your obsession.

This is what a said you 3rd grade buffoon:
Note the asterisks around "I", as in to emphasis that I consider him as much of an icon to Denver as Elway. In no way did I imply you, or anyone else would. In fact, I didnt mention you at all and since this thread has nothing to do with bashing either the NBA or Alex English, butt your ****ing ass out.

Again, you speak for yourself. You may speak for other people if that is your desire, but Alex English caught my attention as the greatest Denver athlete in his time, NOT John Elway. As great as Elway was, he was never the best at his position while Alex English played basketball for the Nuggets. It wasnt until much later that Elway's status, to ME anyway for that is all I am expertise at speaking for, trumped English's.

People do care about the NBA, just not irrelevant schmucks like you.

Sheesh, have another bong hit .....

[maher_tyler]

Who's Carmelo ???


I think a ton of people gave up on basketball, just like they did on baseball, except instead of it being the "Strike" thing, it was the "rap" thing...

I know I did...

The only sporting event that matters this time of the year is THE NFL DRAFT...
I agree...college B-Ball is way more enjoyable to watch...i lost intrest in the NBA when MJ retired the second time...i'll watch from time to time...if the Bulls are playing i'll watch but other than that...

[Taco John]

But that's not what I did now is it, or do you need help reading you ****ing dip****? Ban this. Im tired of your ass criticizing anything anyone has to say about Elway unless that he is comparable to God Himself. **** that. Elway was just a QB who was great for Denver, but thats it. Get over your obsession.

This is what a said you 3rd grade buffoon:
Note the asterisks around "I", as in to emphasis that I consider him as much of an icon to Denver as Elway. In no way did I imply you, or anyone else would. In fact, I didnt mention you at all and since this thread has nothing to do with bashing either the NBA or Alex English, butt your ****ing ass out.

Again, you speak for yourself. You may speak for other people if that is your desire, but Alex English caught my attention as the greatest Denver athlete in his time, NOT John Elway. As great as Elway was, he was never the best at his position while Alex English played basketball for the Nuggets. It wasnt until much later that Elway's status, to ME anyway for that is all I am expertise at speaking for, trumped English's.

People do care about the NBA, just not irrelevant schmucks like you.


Haha! You think you're such a genius, yet your reading comprehension isn't there. I fully acknowledged your personal feeling about English, while speaking towards the cultural significance, or lack thereof in comparison to Elway. I can't imagine why your PMS flared up about it...

How does it feel to be a male with constant PMS? I'd imagine it would get old eventually. I don't know why you always need to fly off the handle. Nor do I know why you think you're so much better/smarter than anybody else here. I just know that the chip you have on your shoulder wouldn't hurt so bad if you maybe meditated once in awhile. Couldn't hurt any, that's for sure.

[Taco John]

Reading 101 for the Genius:


Most people don't even know who Alex English is. To call him a Denver icon on the same level as Elway is about as culturally meaningful as calling Nick Van Exel a Denver icon. There is legitimate personal meaning there, but not enough cultural meaning to even mention.

Culturally there isn't an athlete in Denver who has transcended sports like Elway has. Part of it is the history of the Broncos. Part of it is what Elway has done in the community, including his businesses... and the other part, of course, is the huge losses followed by the huge wins.

It would help Mellow if anybody cared about the NBA.