View Full Version : Insane 49ers thought
Killericon
04-20-2006, 05:47 PM
I just had a really insane thought.
So everyone seems to be thinking that the 49ers are set on taking Vernon Davis....and unless we slip ahead of them, we're not going to be able to go after him.
So I was thinking......What happens to Eric Johnson? A guy like him could'nt just be used in 2 TE sets, I mean he lead the NFC in TE production 2 years back....so what then?
I was wondering what you guys thought of this....but what if we went after him?
halfcreek
04-20-2006, 05:49 PM
One other thing that has not been mentioned is the possibility of a trade with the 49ers post draft for VD ala Elway.
ro_50
04-20-2006, 06:13 PM
Eric Johnson has been injury proned and when he's healthy, he's solid but not a game breaker. Vernon Davis has that type of ability.
I think EJ can be a decent No. 2 TE with Davis aboard.
Actually, his skills suit what you want in a decent No. 2 TE.
Paladin
04-20-2006, 06:18 PM
After all this time, isn't it about time that people get over mourning the loss of VD and begin to look at the strengths of Lewis, Pope and Klop or Fasano? It is my sad duty to tell you all that, in the foreseeable future, VD ain't coming to Denver except to play against the Broncos.
Popps
04-20-2006, 06:21 PM
I don't know, I just can't see Shanahan losing sleep over his production at the TE position. He's smart enough to know that guys like Sharpe are one in a million. He also knows he's done fairly well at plugging guys in and getting production.
Maybe I'm wrong, I just can't see Shanahan looking at this team and saying... "you know what's holding us back... a tight end."
Wide receiver? Maybe. Of course, I think his answer should be... "well, I have no starting DT, a couple of back-ups at DE... maybe that's the ticket."
sirhcyennek81
04-20-2006, 06:28 PM
Maybe I'm wrong, I just can't see Shanahan looking at this team and saying... "you know what's holding us back... a tight end."
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Giants and Steelers made big leaps the following season after drafting TE in the first round. A play making Tightend takes pressure off your WR corps to produce, also effects defenses, making the run game more effective. I dont think we get Vernon Davis, but i would be equally happy with Klop, or Thomas, or Fasano, even Pope.
:Broncos:
rubaiyat
04-20-2006, 06:51 PM
Giants and Steelers made big leaps the following season after drafting TE in the first round. A play making Tightend takes pressure off your WR corps to produce, also effects defenses, making the run game more effective. I dont think we get Vernon Davis, but i would be equally happy with Klop, or Thomas, or Fasano, even Pope.
:Broncos:
Yeah I think there seems to be a movement towards that with Gates, Shokey, Miller, etc...
Giants and Steelers made big leaps the following season after drafting TE in the first round. A play making Tightend takes pressure off your WR corps to produce, also effects defenses, making the run game more effective. I dont think we get Vernon Davis, but i would be equally happy with Klop, or Thomas, or Fasano, even Pope.
:Broncos:
Not to mention what VD would do for us in breaking the hold 3 -4 defenses have on our current offensive scheme
Garcia Bronco
04-20-2006, 06:57 PM
We're going to take Jeff King at TE. Count it.
Popps
04-20-2006, 07:45 PM
Giants and Steelers made big leaps the following season after drafting TE in the first round. A play making Tightend takes pressure off your WR corps to produce, also effects defenses, making the run game more effective. I dont think we get Vernon Davis, but i would be equally happy with Klop, or Thomas, or Fasano, even Pope.
:Broncos:
Good post, though I'd be more inclined to believe that the progress of said quarterbacks was more influential to those offenses than the addition of a new TE.
That said, I've somewhat softened on my stance on Davis. I figure since we're not going to take the d-line seriously, at least Davis would give us the shot at a blue-chip player.
My point still remains, I just don't see Shanahan paying that kind of money (and using that many draft picks) on a rookie tight end. But, I could be wrong. It's happened before. ;D
eddie mac
04-20-2006, 07:53 PM
Good post, though I'd be more inclined to believe that the progress of said quarterbacks was more influential to those offenses than the addition of a new TE.
That said, I've somewhat softened on my stance on Davis. I figure since we're not going to take the d-line seriously, at least Davis would give us the shot at a blue-chip player.
My point still remains, I just don't see Shanahan paying that kind of money (and using that many draft picks) on a rookie tight end. But, I could be wrong. It's happened before. ;D
I think we did attempt to manouver into the top 5 but no-one was budging. Plus the rumours are rife now that the Jets are seriously considering Davis so the 49ers might not even get him.
SoCalBronco
04-20-2006, 08:14 PM
We're going to take Jeff King at TE. Count it.
15 Jimmy Williams
37 Daryl Tapp
61 Johnathon Lewis
68 (traded to JAX for Ernest Wilford)
4A. Jeff King
4B. Raleigh Mexico
4C-6: Its just gravy.
;D
Hercules Rockefeller
04-20-2006, 08:18 PM
One other thing that has not been mentioned is the possibility of a trade with the 49ers post draft for VD ala Elway.
Read the Rocky. Denver tried to get the 49ers pick, but they want Davis and refused to give it up. That's why Denver talked to 3 teams ahead of San Fran about trading into their spot. A post draft trade for Davis ain't happening.
ChampBailey24
04-20-2006, 08:20 PM
Read the Rocky. Denver tried to get the 49ers pick, but they want Davis and refused to give it up. That's why Denver talked to 3 teams ahead of San Fran about trading into their spot. A post draft trade for Davis ain't happening.
link?
ludo21
04-20-2006, 08:23 PM
GB trade still open, id say go for it, because a guy like VD is once in a million or so. He will be good, and i want it to be for our team.
What we need is another 'receiving' threat. Not necessarily a WR, a TE will work as well.
I will be happy with Lewis or Pope, or Klop, but Davis will be a beast.
I don't know, I just can't see Shanahan losing sleep over his production at the TE position. He's smart enough to know that guys like Sharpe are one in a million. He also knows he's done fairly well at plugging guys in and getting production.
Maybe I'm wrong, I just can't see Shanahan looking at this team and saying... "you know what's holding us back... a tight end."
like you said, guys like sharpe are one in a million, and shanahan knows that. so why should he miss the opportunity to get another TE with similar talent???!
Hercules Rockefeller
04-20-2006, 09:04 PM
link?
Is it that ****ing hard to navigate to the Rocky's website? The fact that I've got to point out something by the main beat writer from Denver's other major daily at the end of the day is sad unto itself. There are other papers in Denver besides the Post.
The Broncos talked with three teams above the 49ers, including the Tennessee Titans and Green Bay Packers, to try to move ahead of the 49ers and possibly land Davis but were rebuffed.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4636004,00.html
halfcreek
04-20-2006, 09:11 PM
Is it that ****ing hard to navigate to the Rocky's website? The fact that I've got to point out something by the main beat writer from Denver's other major daily at the end of the day is sad unto itself. There are other papers in Denver besides the Post.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4636004,00.html
Is it that hard to be civil?
Is it that ****ing hard to navigate to the Rocky's website? The fact that I've got to point out something by the main beat writer from Denver's other major daily at the end of the day is sad unto itself. There are other papers in Denver besides the Post.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/article/0,2777,DRMN_23918_4636004,00.html
Ha ha I thought the same, if you need a link to the RMN than... I don't know what to say.
watermock
04-20-2006, 09:15 PM
I blame myself....I never should of posted that video. *sobs*
I'm not that high on trading away our 22 either. There will only be so many spots to land on the roster, be have a bunch of kids in the wings hidden in nooks and crannies allready.
Paladin
04-20-2006, 10:23 PM
22? WTF. The Broncos have the 15, and the 22 went to SF.
Wake up, or go to sleep. Pay attention.
Paladin
04-20-2006, 10:29 PM
On the ESPN show on the draft, Jeff Fisher said that if things worked out with McNair, they might trade down and take a QB in later rounds. Said they'd interviewed "a number of the candidates". I sensed that Fisher wanted McNair to stay, but he seemed to imply that members of the administration are ambivalent about McNair and who to take.
Food for thought. Draft day trades are possible, but I don't know what those might be. Too tired of the whole thing to speculate, I guess.
watermock
04-20-2006, 11:11 PM
22? WTF. The Broncos have the 15, and the 22 went to SF.
Wake up, or go to sleep. Pay attention.
STFU, I know what pick was taken.
ludo21
04-20-2006, 11:31 PM
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i like this smiley.
Pat Bowlen
04-21-2006, 06:50 AM
So I was thinking......What happens to Eric Johnson? A guy like him could'nt just be used in 2 TE sets, I mean he lead the NFC in TE production 2 years back....so what then?
I was wondering what you guys thought of this....but what if we went after him?
Whoa, that's insane!
BroncoInferno
04-21-2006, 07:38 AM
See, those jackasses like Kreiger who whine because we didn't move up don't understand that you need a willing partner to get it done! We obviously tried to peddle our picks for Davis, but no one would budge. I think it's pretty stupid for a team like the 49ers, who have tons of needs, to pass on two 1st rounders, but whatever.
Dr. Broncenstein
04-21-2006, 07:39 AM
Not just insane... but sick.. wicked sick
Pat Bowlen
04-21-2006, 07:43 AM
Not just insane... but sick.. wicked sick
I prefer "hella crazy."
Hotrod
04-21-2006, 08:08 AM
After all this time, isn't it about time that people get over mourning the loss of VD and begin to look at the strengths of Hali? It is my sad duty to tell you all that, in the foreseeable future, VD ain't coming to Denver except to play against the Broncos.
With that one exception great post!
bendog
04-21-2006, 08:15 AM
I don't see that Den is tracking Hali. He most likely will go somewhere in the late 20s to early 30s. It seems a stretch to think that the guy who is the 4th best, and prolly 2nd-3rd best - 4-3 DE will last till 37.
footstepsfrom#27
04-21-2006, 08:22 AM
There's a price for everything, so if you're willing to pay the price, you can have whatever you want. However, most people/teams won't pay the price to get what they want...hence they don't get what they want.
Of the top 5 teams above the 9ers, the only one that looks like a logical trading partner is Green Bay. If the Packers would take the #15 and Lelie plus a 2nd rounder next year I'd do it. It makes some sense for both teams if you think about it. GB wants AJ Hawk but could move down 10 spots and still get the 2nd best LB in the draft, plus they'd have a deep threat that Favre can take better advantage of than Plummer does in Lelie, which is a neccessary concern if they trade Walker. Then they'd also have some additional ammo for next year. It makes sense for us too. Davis is a game changer...a difference maker, especially in a WCO that doesn't throw deep often or very successfully. If you can't go deep on the outside, you can still stretch the defense with a freak like Davis who can run away from LB's and over corners and safeties. Our TE's suck...worst in the league IMO since we let Putz go. And with Gonzo and Gates in thisi division, we're playing a one dimensional offense with only Rod an every down threat in the middle of the field. Davis would be my first choice in this draft, followed by Lawson at DE, which I think is a more realistic idea since I don't think we'll pay the price to get VD.
watermock
04-21-2006, 08:25 AM
I want to be Paris Hilton's love slave.
footstepsfrom#27
04-21-2006, 08:26 AM
I don't see that Den is tracking Hali. He most likely will go somewhere in the late 20s to early 30s. It seems a stretch to think that the guy who is the 4th best, and prolly 2nd-3rd best - 4-3 DE will last till 37.
Hali is a 3rd or 4th rounder in terms of talent, but will go higher, probably the early 2nd, just because somebody will reach for a pass rushing DE since they're so hard to find. I don't see the attraction...average size, below average speed and upper body strength...if he played at Mankato State he'd be a 5th rounder.
Hotrod
04-21-2006, 08:30 AM
Hali is a 3rd or 4th rounder in terms of talent, but will go higher, probably the early 2nd, just because somebody will reach for a pass rushing DE since they're so hard to find. I don't see the attraction...average size, below average speed and upper body strength...if he played at Mankato State he'd be a 5th rounder.
WTF 3rd or 4th or 5th round talent. Hater