Denver swaps picks with Niner's

[BroncoFaith]

Per KFFL.
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

Our 22nd overall for two lower picks.

[freak6]

huh???

I don't get it at all. I think we want Pope.

[Requiem]

Broncos | Two draft picks acquired from 49ers
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:39:07 -0700
The Denver Broncos (http://www.kffl.com/team/15/nfl) have announced the team has acquired a second-round pick (No. 37 overall) and a third-round pick (No. 68) in the 2006 NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) from the San Francisco 49ers (http://www.kffl.com/team/32/nfl). In exchange for the picks, Denver sends San Francisco one of their two first round picks, No. 22 overall.

[Ratboy]

That sucks.

[hades]

Hmmmm, don't know what to think of that.

Maybe we don't want to pay the price for 2 first round draft choices (contracts)

[Requiem]

If true, that value is spot on.

[freak6]

It's almost a wash on the point value chart, we get 20 pts of value, but I think it is a terrible move.

[Willynowei]

Difference of 15 spots for a 68th spot pick. Sounds reasonable.

[WABronco]

You guys are just being greedy.

Having a first, two seconds, a third, and 3 fourths is going to be crazy sweet.

You'll see...

[MileHighMagic]

Booooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

[bronco militia]

booo

[DarkHorse]

Booooo

I'd rather have stood ground at 15 and 22 but...... i'm not a talent evaluator so what do I know. Maybe the guys we were looking at started to show signs of crapola or possibly we were trying to move up and that didn't work out.

Whatever - just make sure we don't trade the 15th unless it's up - somehow.

[broncsyanks]

that blows

[Requiem]

The Broncos would have had to reach for a player at #22 or #15 in my eyes, and moving down for an extra third and for players with similar value from that point on makes a lot of sense.

Top targets at #37 - Mathias Kiwanuka, Leonard Pope, Marcedes Lewis and Maurice Stovall.

How can you boo this? The value between players at #22 and #37 isn't that far off, and the Broncos gained an early pick (almost a late-second) in the process. Instead of getting one talent at #22, they'll get two. This is a good deal, for both teams.

Wasn't it Wabbit the other day who said the Broncos had great relations with the 49ers?

Makes sense. Someone should give him a carrot.

[freak6]

It's gotta be Leonard Pope, or whatever RB falls there. There are DL that we could have taken with the 22, but I think this shows that we aren't enamored with them, and that we want to go offense with our 2nd pick, but not pay 1st round money for the talent availible at TE and RB. I guess this move makes sense, but I still don't like it. I wanted us to move up.

[broncsyanks]

so then we stand at 15 then 2 snd rounders and 2 3rd rounders? is that correct?

[Ratboy]

So what are our picks now?

(1) 15
(2) 37
(2) 61
(3) 68
(4) 119
(4) 126
(4) 130
(5) 161
(6) 198

[Merlin]

That is a good trade for this yr's deep draft. Not only that, but SF's picks in the second and third are much higher than Denver's (especially since we don't have a 3rd). SF's second is only marginally worse than a late 1st, and the difference in talent will not be large (if any). In fact some very good DLs should be available there (and a very decent RB should be available in the 3rd).

[WABronco]

The Broncos would have had to reach for a player at #22 or #15 in my eyes, and moving down for an extra third and for players with similar value from that point on makes a lot of sense.

Top targets at #37 - Mathias Kiwanuka, Leonard Pope, Marcedes Lewis and Maurice Stovall.

Now that everyone sees some names they should come around. We can get first round talent at 37 and get an extra THIRD along with it.

[The Big E]

So much for going into the top 5-6. This takes some of the excitement out of it, so let's hope they can make it work. I'd still rather have both first rounders, so I guess I must also say, boooooo.

[WABronco]

so then we stand at 15 then 2 snd rounders and 2 3rd rounders? is that correct?
only one third rounder (other went to Atlanta in the Abe deal).

[clint7]

Good. I can now pay attention to the draft in the third round!

[Requiem]

Like I said, I'd rather trade down than trade up. That's a lot of ammo, who knows what we're going to do now.

[Ballhawk]

Now that everyone sees some names they should come around. We can get first round talent at 37 and get an extra THIRD along with it.
I agree that for our needs we are likely to see the same value at 37 as we would at 22, DT, RB, WR TE. Now I can hope that we grab that Minn Center in the third round.

[montrose]

I hate it unless it's to trade back up again.

I wouldn't mind a WR at #15, and a TE at #37

[johnstkr]

Could we be picking up a 3rd to send to detroit for Harrington?

[Ratboy]

1st, 2nd and Lelie for #5 and Walker.

[Garcia Bronco]

Lame ass ****

BOOOOOO FO

[Rohirrim]

Wow, that's absolutely perfect. The Broncos now have 3 picks right in the middle of the Value Zone. Excellent!

[maven]

That f'n blows.

[DrFate]

I don't like the move - it removes any possibility of moving up or down on draft day.

[listopencil]

That's a relief. If this draft is as deep as I've heard it's a really good move.

[TheManeMan]

We all should know that SoCal is the happiest guy here on the Mane!

I dont know what to think with the trade until we get some names to match with the pick #'s...

Does this also mean that #15 is CJ??

[maven]

Damn. what a disappointment. I mean, what a f'n disappointment.

[Great13]

hmm now we can use #61 + #15 to trade up into the top ten and grab who ever we want..Bunkley, Ngata, VD if he falls.
We made it to the AFC Championship game.. and we are drafting in the position of a team with a top 10 pick on Day 1. Plus we have three 4th rounders... not bad..not bad at all

[Rascal]

For those wanting Vernon Davis you can forget about that unless we overpay (15th).

But IMO this does give us some more ammo for Javon Walker (third).

Also means we won't be getting White unless we overpay at 15.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

It's fine.

The first round WRs aren't THAT impressive anyway. Joseph Addai should be around with that 37.

We should be reminded that we're only monitoring the upcoming draft via what we see on TV and what we read on teh Ineterweb. The guys in the Broncos office no doubt have been through a list of names and feel that moving down would still net them a quality player. I, for one, think it's pretty solid. Besides, who would the Niners be targeting at 22? Seems odd for them.

[bronco militia]

Could we be picking up a 3rd to send to detroit for Harrington?

that's a thought...but that would suck. IMO Harrington iss'nt worth anything higher than a 4th

[maven]

For those wanting Vernon Davis you can forget about that unless we overpay (15th).

But IMO this does give us some more ammo for Javon Walker (third).

For those people wanting VD, Mario Williams, Leinart, Young, Brick... That pipe dream is over.

Great! Ammo for a busted WR.

[Old Dude]

Interesting. Denver must see this as a deep draft. But, as mentioned above, there could be more manuevers before it's over.

[Requiem]

Why the hell are you people so pissed? Ask any draft guy (such as Scott Wright) and they'll admit the talent from #22 to #37 is probably the same. What player at #22 would be better than a guy at #37 who will fill a need on this team and challenge for a starting job? Forget LenDale for a minute, (I never bought into a first-round back) -- Pope and Lewis are too high at #22 for picks, but #37 is just right for two guys who could immediately start at TE. Mathias Kiwanuka could be there as well, along with Tamba Hali. The Broncos target at #22 would probably be there at #37. Not to mention, they gain an addition third-rounder, which is damn near at the end of a second round. To me in this draft, it's a late-first and a late-second for a middle first round pick. I'll take that 8 days out of the week.

[Requiem]

SoCal, will you kiss me? Our dream came true.

I don't think Denver will be moving up anymore. Why? They gained these picks for a reason... I'm sure.

[DrFate]

Why the hell are you people so pissed?

Probably because this removes any possibility of moving UP for somebody like Davis (or any other blue chippers that might slip).

[alkemical]

not happy, i want the pizazz

[bronco militia]

Why the hell are you people so pissed? Ask any draft guy (such as Scott Wright) and they'll admit the talent from #22 to #37 is probably the same. What player at #22 would be better than a guy at #37 who will fill a need on this team and challenge for a starting job? Forget LenDale for a minute, (I never bought into a first-round back) -- Pope and Lewis are too high at #22 for picks, but #37 is just right for two guys who could immediately start at TE. Mathias Kiwanuka could be there as well, along with Tamba Hali. The Broncos target at #22 would probably be there at #33. Not to mention, they gain an addition third-rounder, which is damn near at the end of a second round. To me in this draft, it's a late-first and a late-second for a middle first round pick. I'll take that 8 days out of the week.

I think most had hoped we'd move up into the top 10 instead of trading down.

[Rascal]

It's fine.

The first round WRs aren't THAT impressive anyway. Joseph Addai should be around with that 37.

We should be reminded that we're only monitoring the upcoming draft via what we see on TV and what we read on teh Ineterweb. The guys in the Broncos office no doubt have been through a list of names and feel that moving down would still net them a quality player. I, for one, think it's pretty solid. Besides, who would the Niners be targeting at 22? Seems odd for them.

CB, Safety, or LB are positions that should be available there.

[bronco militia]

the bargain shopping offseason continues

[Rascal]

Hali won't be there at 37 Req.

[maven]

Probably because this removes any possibility of moving UP for somebody like Davis (or any other blue chippers that might slip).

Lelie sure as hell will not get Denver into the top 5. That's why people are pissed! Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Uhh ugh!~ :vermeil: :tearhair: :cuss: :garcia: :moody:

[12th man]

I don't know what to think of this. I mean we could have had two first rounders wich would have been great. so I am upset that we don't have that anymore. but now we have more picks, and we usually do better in the later rounds anyway so, I guesse im cool with it. In Shahahan we trust.

[Great13]

I think most had hoped we'd move up into the top 10 instead of trading down.

we can still move up into the top 10..#15 and #61 gets it done.. plus we'll have a high second and a high third...

[DrFate]

CB, Safety, or LB are positions that should be available there.

Don't need a corner or a linebacker, so that sounds typical of our drafts.

:(

[Ballhawk]

It is all just positioning guys. It is obvious Shanny never was or wanted to part with both first rounds. Shanny now can move where ever he wants in this draft, and I agree that the drop from 22 to early 2nd round is equal except at the CB and LB position, which we do not need either.

[Requiem]

Hali won't be there at 37 Req.

Probably not, but it's a possibility.

[Rascal]

Don't need a corner or a linebacker, so that sounds typical of our drafts.

:(

That was in reference to what the 49'ers might be targeting at 22...not us.

[Rascal]

I'm guessing that the third is going to get sent to Greenbay for Javon.

[-Slap-]

Its a fair trade. The difference between 22 and 37 might not be that huge. I like that we're back into the third round. There are going to be some great players available there.

[bendog]

I wonder who they target with 15. I was expecting a trade down, but was starting to think it might be the 15.

[DrFate]

That was in reference to what the 49'ers might be targeting at 22...not us.

Oh - sorry. ;)

I think the other reason this will disappoint people is this should effectively put us out of the LenDale White sweepstakes. #15 is too early and he won't last past all the teams picking at the end of the 1st round.

[Requiem]

Denver was between a rock and a hard place with those two picks. They'd have to give up both of them to grab an elite player. That'd forfeit most of their draft. Instead of three first day picks, they have four (which is nice) and they got great value out of it. They have damn near three second-rounders and that's never a bad thing.

[SportinOne]

So we spent a 3 and a 4 to move up 14 spots.

But we then give up 15 spots for just a 3rd.

at first glance i'm not too happy with this.

i'm sure 49ers fans are rejoicing.

they just traded a god dang 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for the 22nd overall pick in the draft..

i'm trying to spin this in a positive way to myself, i just can't.

Sure we could end up picking up another 'Nique in the 3rd round, but we could also end up with a nobody.

I just don't get it, unless we are building picks to move up for a top 5, then this is just like an indirect 3 (or 4 if we make another trade first) team trade.

I would imagine that Houston would rather give up the 1 for 4 or 5 picks rather than 3 even if the point value is equal.

Who knows....

you know what, i trust Shanny. He is doing this for a reason, let's hope his "plan" works out like he sees it!

[bronco militia]

we can still move up into the top 10..#15 and #61 gets it done.. plus we'll have a high second and a high third...


how can that be when #15 and #22 only got us to #5 or #6.?

[-Slap-]

Hali won't be there at 37 Req.
That's why we should just take him @ 15 and count ourselves lucky.

Maybe LenDale will drop to 37.

[yerner]

Uninspiring, to say the least. we have 7 first day picks which i guess is good, but do have room for all these guys? i get that we need competition in camp, but why draft dudes just to cut them? I would like this more if we were a crappy team in need of this many choices. maybe Toviessi is available.

[Requiem]

Its a fair trade. The difference between 22 and 37 might not be that huge. I like that we're back into the third round. There are going to be some great players available there.

Slap, I hate to agree with you -- but you're right. Don't forget that we have three third-rounders as well.

Seven choices in the top 130 -- four in the top #68. I dig it. Leave it to Broncos fans to complain having depth of picks like this.

[Old Dude]

...
But IMO this does give us some more ammo for Javon Walker (third).

...

The rumors I've heard have been that Denver wasn't offering anything more than a 4th for Walker, which just wasn't good enough for Green Bay. Wabbit reported earlier that Denver really wanted to pick up a third somehow.

Could be that they just want to take advantage of a deep class. But, like you said, this might also be what it takes to get the Walker deal done.

[ZachKC]

Eh, this is a good move for Denver. Knee jerk keyboard GMs will whine and thats ok.

There are a lot of good football players in that range.

[Requiem]

But we then give up 15 spots for just a 3rd.

at first glance i'm not too happy with this.

No, we also got the #37, if you weren't paying attention. Look at the players in the late-first to early second and they're just as good as the guys you'll be selecting at #22. Guarenteed.

[ZachKC]

Sure we could end up picking up another 'Nique in the 3rd round, but we could also end up with a nobody.


Of course.

Its the draft.

[JunkyardWillie]

I think Lendale was the original target at 15 and now with all of his drama he may fall to 37. if not the fall back plan of a TE or S at 37 is still realistic. I'd Pope or Ko Simpson at 37 if Lendale is not there

[epicSocialism4tw]

Another awesome deal. I was hoping to see something like this. From about spot 20 back there are a bunch of players of similar value. Now Denver can load up in round 2 and early in round three.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Wished they would have waited until they were on the clock, but at least it ends all the lame trade up rumors.

Also means that Denver goes another year without having 2 1st round picks in the same draft.

[Rascal]

So we spent a 3 and a 4 to move up 14 spots.

But we then give up 15 spots for just a 3rd.

at first glance i'm not too happy with this.

i'm sure 49ers fans are rejoicing.

they just traded a god dang 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick for the 22nd overall pick in the draft..

i'm trying to spin this in a positive way to myself, i just can't.

Sure we could end up picking up another 'Nique in the 3rd round, but we could also end up with a nobody.

I just don't get it, unless we are building picks to move up for a top 5, then this is just like an indirect 3 (or 4 if we make another trade first) team trade.

I would imagine that Houston would rather give up the 1 for 4 or 5 picks rather than 3 even if the point value is equal.

Who knows....

you know what, i trust Shanny. He is doing this for a reason, let's hope his "plan" works out like he sees it!

A 2007 4th rounder and a late third for a very early third. This draft is a lot deeper then next years draft especially in the early third late second area. Personally I think it's a wash.

[Crushaholic]

It's going to be just fine. We get more mid round picks to either draft or use as more trade bait. Shahahan/Sundquist has a clear plan and I'm glad they are working on this. I would hate to be rooting for a certain team close to the western Missouri border who have LOTS of needs to fill but are standing pat... Ha!

[Rohirrim]

Take Tamba at 15 and wait for the gold to drop to 37 (Lendale, Marcedes, Mangold, Lawson, who knows?). Then you're in the perfect spot to take Bullocks, Davin J., McCargo, Watkins, etc. etc. The risk just went down and the value went way up.

[watermock]

He...I was just getting some crap tv dinner out of the zapper and threw my cookies....

I'm more amused about how we watch this team like mother hens.

Luckilly, Burger Bill was the first to break the story, but I'm sure he will be on it when he gets done napping.

This doesn't kill a Davis trade at all.

We move down 11 picks and get a high second and third.

Look at it this way...Gibbs ****ed us, but we cant do anything about that. We have moved to 15, 37, our late second, have an early third, and THREE 4's. We have SEVEN picks in the first 4 rounds and are ready to pounce.

All this shows is we may have a working relationship with SF.

[JunkyardWillie]

Who's to say we wont offer SF our #1 in next years draft along with 15 to still move up and grab VD

[Rascal]

That's why we should just take him @ 15 and count ourselves lucky.

Maybe LenDale will drop to 37.

It might be a reach at 15 but I would take him there.

I'm justing praying that somehow Jackson gets taken by the Eagles at 14 so Shanny can't take him.

[Requiem]

Take Tamba at 15 and wait for the gold to drop to 37 (Lendale, Marcedes, Mangold, Lawson, who knows?). Then you're in the perfect spot to take Bullocks, Davin J., McCargo, Watkins, etc. etc. The risk just went down and the value went way up.

A lot of people are projecting Tamba to fall down into the early second as well, he didn't work out as well as expected. Who knows though. I'm loving this.

[Rohirrim]

It's going to be just fine. We get more mid round picks to either draft or use as more trade bait. Shahahan/Sundquist has a clear plan and I'm glad they are working on this. I would hate to be rooting for a certain team close to the western Missouri border who have LOTS of needs to fill but are standing pat... Ha!

King Carl doesn't strike again. LOL

[watermock]

I think most had hoped we'd move up into the top 10 instead of trading down.

We can still make moves. Now we again have multiple picks. We have a litter and the 15.

[Rohirrim]

A lot of people are projecting Tamba to fall down into the early second as well, he didn't work out as well as expected. Who knows though. I'm loving this.

After reading what Mediator posted in the Draft Forum on him, I've definitely put him back up into the top 15.

[BroncoBen]

Don't like the move... I was hoping for the Broncos to draft

WR Chad Jackson at #15 and RB DeAngelo Williams at #22

Or to move up into the top 5-10 with the picks and take a shot at TE Veron Davis if he fell.

Well they say teams are built on the draft, now the Broncos have 7 picks in the the first four rounds. They should find at least 3 players that make the team.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Why the hell are you people so pissed? Ask any draft guy (such as Scott Wright) and they'll admit the talent from #22 to #37 is probably the same. What player at #22 would be better than a guy at #37 who will fill a need on this team and challenge for a starting job? Forget LenDale for a minute, (I never bought into a first-round back) -- Pope and Lewis are too high at #22 for picks, but #37 is just right for two guys who could immediately start at TE. Mathias Kiwanuka could be there as well, along with Tamba Hali. The Broncos target at #22 would probably be there at #37. Not to mention, they gain an addition third-rounder, which is damn near at the end of a second round. To me in this draft, it's a late-first and a late-second for a middle first round pick. I'll take that 8 days out of the week.

Agree - Must be that they feel the guy they wanted at 22 would be there at 37. Just like a couple of years ago when they wanted Foster, but thought they could trade down to get him and pick up an extra pick.

[bendog]

A lot of people are projecting Tamba to fall down into the early second as well, he didn't work out as well as expected. Who knows though. I'm loving this.
Hali may well drop even below the 22 we just sent. I wonder about the Lawson guy. Very fast, very light. Huge workouts. He looks like a 3-4 or even a workout warrior reach.

[Ballhawk]

Take Tamba at 15 and wait for the gold to drop to 37 (Lendale, Marcedes, Mangold, Lawson, who knows?). Then you're in the perfect spot to take Bullocks, Davin J., McCargo, Watkins, etc. etc. The risk just went down and the value went way up.

I think we still move up from 15 for VD, Bunkley or maybe even Cutler if he slides. Regardless I like our position much better now even though I still dont like being at #15.

[JunkyardWillie]

what does 15 and 37 equate to on the value chart as far as moving up?

[watermock]

moving a 22 to 37 to pick up a 3rd means someone is on the radar. We have a ton of picks to throw around yet. I said I smelled smoke early today. I still smell smoke.

[TheManeMan]

Slap, I hate to agree with you -- but you're right. Don't forget that we have three third-rounders as well.

Seven choices in the top 130 -- four in the top #68. I dig it. Leave it to Broncos fans to complain having depth of picks like this.


They only have 1 pick in the 3rd round(which was the niners)...Denver has 2 4th round picks...

so a total of 4 1st day picks...

[bendog]

I think we still move up from 15 for VD, Bunkley or maybe even Cutler if he slides. Regardless I like our position much better now even though I still dont like being at #15.
Where's the Cutler angle come from? Shanny's set with Jake for the next 3 years.

[Rohirrim]

Don't like the move... I was hoping for the Broncos to draft

WR Chad Jackson at #15 and RB DeAngelo Williams at #22

Or to move up into the top 5-10 with the picks and take a shot at TE Veron Davis if he fell.

Well they say teams are built on the draft, now the Broncos have 7 picks in the the first four rounds. They should find at least 3 players that make the team.

No way the Broncos take Chad Jackson. Haven't you heard? He's pregnant.
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/615/cjj5yc.jpg

[Requiem]

Denver originally had #22, #29, #61, #93 on the first day. Value of 1840.

Denver now has the #15, #37, #61 and #68 picks on the first day. Value of 2122.

Hrm. What's not to like?

[Rascal]

A lot of people are projecting Tamba to fall down into the early second as well, he didn't work out as well as expected. Who knows though. I'm loving this.

Somebody said it, but Tamba is falling because people are gung ho about people who can wear shorts and perform better on a track over people who wear pads and kick people's ass on the field. The guy needs to fire his agent first off, and he's been focusing on school (taking a full load) and getting his family out of Africa. He said he didn't even prepare for the workouts, which I guarantee you everybody else had been preparing 24/7 for the last month to make up for sucking it up on the field.

I think he would have been there at 22, but I'm all for him at 15 as well.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Good management here.

First round money hits the cap pretty hard. Denver is probably looking at WR, RB, TE, S, and DT.

With the additional 2, filling two of those holes in the second round looks like a reasonable venture. There will likely be 2 or 3 guys (pope, Fasano, Kloph) around at TE for either pick, now we can look at Maurice Stovall legitimately, Ko Simpson and Jason Allen could be there, Joseph Addai or White could be there at 37, Maurice Drew could be there in rd. 3....

This trade nets two opportunites for immediate help next season.

[Garcia Bronco]

Tapp.....Daryl Tapp

[maven]

Wished they would have waited until they were on the clock, but at least it ends all the lame trade up rumors.

Also means that Denver goes another year without having 2 1st round picks in the same draft.

Would've preferred this deal on draft day. Denver would have received more value.

[Rascal]

They only have 1 pick in the 3rd round(which was the niners)...Denver has 2 4th round picks...

so a total of 4 1st day picks...

Denver has three fourth round picks (119, 126, and 130).

[Requiem]

They only have 1 pick in the 3rd round(which was the niners)...Denver has 2 4th round picks...

so a total of 4 1st day picks...

Woops, I meant three fourth rounders, which we do have.

Sorry.

[maven]

Good management here.

First round money hits the cap pretty hard.

No it does not. The 22nd pick in the draft doesn't garner a lot of money.

[SoCalBronco]

Excellent News!!!!!!

[Great13]

how can that be when #15 and #22 only got us to #5 or #6.?


15 and 61 gets us within 8 points of #9 on the value chart...

15+61 = 1342
#9= 1350

at 9 we can grab Bunkley or Ngata..or Vernon Davis if he slips that far.

[enjolras]

This is a truly great move... the Broncos biggest needs are the interior line (on both sides of the ball), and this gives them 7 picks in the first 4 rounds to fill those needs.

They're going to be able to take risks in this draft they might not otherwise be able to take. They're going to be able to fill needs with real talent.

I think this draft has the chance to be a draft on which a team that is REALLY good for a long period of time can be built.

[Man-Goblin]

They aren't targeting anyone in particular, but throw Sinorice Moss into the group of potentials as well....

[Rascal]

Tapp.....Daryl Tapp

In the second? Hell no.

Third...maybe.

[JunkyardWillie]

15 and 61 gets us within 8 points of #9 on the value chart...

15+61 = 1342
#9= 1350


what does the 15 and 37 get us ?

[Requiem]

Denver originally had #22, #29, #61, #93 on the first day. Value of 1840.

Denver now has the #15, #37, #61 and #68 picks on the first day. Value of 2122.

Hrm. What's not to like?

To add on to this, we've gained 282 value points in a draft that's considered very deep. That's pretty solid if you ask me.

So I ask you again, were we better where we were at the beginning or where we're at now. I think you'd be crazy to think back then.

[Old Dude]

Just by way of a rough comparison ...

#22 in 2005 got Mark Clayton, WR Oklahoma. Not too much of an impact for the Ravens - at least in his rookie year -

Pick #37 got Shaun Cody, a DT from USC, and #68 went for Courtney Roby, WR Indiana.

[JCMElway]

This is a great move. We only give up a few spots in a deep draft and pick up a third.

Oh, and Denver is not done dealing here. We just picked up some extra ammo to make some kind of move. I don't know if it will be for J Walk, or to move up into that 5 or 6 slot, but we have the picks now.

And in this draft there isn't that much difference between 22 and 37. Heck we could deal with GB AND SF. We could get J Walk for the third, and then package #15 and #37 to move up. Or we could move down again. Who knows! It's a freaking bonanza!!! ALL HAIL THE PLAN!!!!!

Ahem. 'Scuse me, got a little carried away there. Seriously. There is nothing to wory about here and no reason to complain. Damn there are a bunch of nervous nellies on this board!

[bendog]

Woops, I meant three fourth rounders, which we do have.

Sorry.
I understood, which should scare you. (-: I've read that some teams think moving Jarious Norwood to WR makes since because while he runs a 4.4 and can tote it a lot, he's not real strong in his lower legs. IF he can catch like a WR, he is serious YAC material. Then Lelie's really expendable in a year or two.

[SoCalBronco]

Exactly what I wanted...ACQUIRING MORE FIRST DAY PICKS!!!

[baja]

So much for going into the top 5-6. This takes some of the excitement out of it, so let's hope they can make it work. I'd still rather have both first rounders, so I guess I must also say, boooooo.

That's not necessarily true we can still go up if that is what we want just the package will be different, who knows maybe that is what our trading partner asked for. We also have the added advantage if someone we like falls we have the flexibility to go after him.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The best value in this draft is in the second and third rounds. Denver just made a way lay a foundation for the future while helping the team to win next season.

Like Enjolras said, this draft is deep enough to make a franchise for the next 3-5 years and we are in the driver's seat right now.

[Drek]

Love it. I'd prefered to have waited for the draft and moved the 22nd for an '07 first and 2nd or 3rds in this draft, but an early 2nd and an early 3rd are damn good payoff.

I don't like this draft's 15-30 group. Not much different than the 31-45 group if you ask me. At 22 we were probably looking TE or DE, where any available guy would be something of an overpick. Moving back to 37 means a lot of those same guys could still be on the board, but a whole lot cheaper, we also have an early 3rd to compliment, just 7 picks after our own 2nd rounder!

Moving up would have been nice, but all the teams interested in moving are the top 6 teams. Thats no good, we can't entice them without offering a ton, since its a huge step back from there to 15. Now we're in position to meet all of our needs with quality first day talent. Seriously, four picks in the top 70! Our first day pick chart is all ideal slider spots.

As for the number of picks we now have being a problem fitting on the roster, sorry, we've got a lot of scrubs taking up roster spots on this squad, we need younger, more talented depth.

[watermock]

Here is my opinion....we have been dancing around like Fred Astaire, there will be the revelation in 10 days why.

I think this might actually be a precursor to a Vernon Davis trade allready in the works. We don't want to send both firsts and Lelie. So we give them 15 and trade back our late second and Lelie.

Give them our 15, Lelie and our late second back. We catch an early second, an early third and keep 3 4th rounders.

[Rascal]

I didn't want to overpay (give up both first) to move up into the 5-6 range anyway. This eliminates that as a possibility. Good.

[bpc]

I like the trade. I hated our positioned on our 22 pick. I felt like from about 20 to 45 the talent was roughly about the same... (a reach at 22 though).

This does wonder for us now...

-It gives us more cap flexibility as we don't have to sign one person with our cap number at #22, we can actually sign two different players.

-We can take best available at #15... i'm thinking possibly Bunkley or Jimmy Williams. If somebody slides we could offer our 1st and our second 2nd round pick to move up to pick them up... ie Vernon Davis.

-At 37 we can take best available from our needs at DL, S, HB, and WR.

-58, same as previous.

-67, same as before.

-3 picks in the 4th round allows us great flexibility with adding depth.

This is a good deal for us. We have ammunition to move back further if we want or jump up. I like the deal overall. The only thing that will kill this is if we take the next Marcus Nash at #15 with Chad Jackson.

[Broncoman13]

Why the hell are you people so pissed? Ask any draft guy (such as Scott Wright) and they'll admit the talent from #22 to #37 is probably the same. What player at #22 would be better than a guy at #37 who will fill a need on this team and challenge for a starting job? Forget LenDale for a minute, (I never bought into a first-round back) -- Pope and Lewis are too high at #22 for picks, but #37 is just right for two guys who could immediately start at TE. Mathias Kiwanuka could be there as well, along with Tamba Hali. The Broncos target at #22 would probably be there at #37. Not to mention, they gain an addition third-rounder, which is damn near at the end of a second round. To me in this draft, it's a late-first and a late-second for a middle first round pick. I'll take that 8 days out of the week.


Conceivably could be around at 22 but not at 37:

Wimbley, Lawson, Hali, DeAngelo, Lendale, Maroney, Jason Allen, Jimmy Williams, and atleast two of the "first round WR's".

Moving to #37 opens the door for three or four players that we would have over paid for in the first round. #1. Ko Simpson. #2. Leonard Pope. #3. Joseph Addai. #4. Sinorice Moss (who we supposedly like). #5. Klop.

Here's how I see it. We miss out on Jason Allen, but have a shot at Ko Simpson. We miss out on Marcedes Lewis but have a shot at Leonard Pope. We miss out on White, Maroney, and DeAngelo..but have a shot at Addai. Hopefully we miss out on Moss and go after Stovall!!! I'd take Klop over any TE in this draft not named Vernon Davis. There's a chance that Marcedes Lewis drops as well and that would be a nice pick, but I think Klop would bring the most to the table.

-Please stay away from any WR not named Stovall with the 37th pick!
-I'd take Ko Simpson there (37) without a moments hesitation.
-We're now in the position to take a guy like Rod Wright in the 3rd round.
-With two 2nd round picks, would it suprise you to end up with Javon Walker now?
-With 3 4th round picks, would it suprise you to end up with Ricky Williams.
-Ricky Williams, Javon Walker, and 3 draft picks in the first 3 rounds to boot. That would be an excellent draft day haul!!!
-How much talent difference is there between picks 15 and 22?
-If Winston Justice falls to 15 we're going to end up with another 2nd round pick to move down into the lower 20's. He's a top 5 talent in most drafts.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Here is my opinion....we have been dancing around like Fred Astaire, there will be the revelation in 10 days why.

I think this might actually be a precursor to a Vernon Davis trade allready in the works. We don't want to send both firsts and Lelie. So we give them 15 and trade back our late second and Lelie.

Give them our 15, Lelie and our late second back. We catch an early second, an early third and keep 3 4th rounders.

I think its over Mock. The quest for your VD is ending as far as football is concerned.

[Old Dude]

If nothing else, we can hopefully use some of these picks to get some young talent to develop. Our 2003 draft was pretty much of a bust in that regard ... Foster's the only one still around and several of the picks are out of the league already.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I don't like this draft's 15-30 group. Not much different than the 31-45 group if you ask me. At 22 we were probably looking TE or DE, where any available guy would be something of an overpick.

I'd love to see them move down from #15 and pick up another 2nd, provided no one slips to that spot that shouldn't.

[Great13]

what does the 15 and 37 get us ?


15(1050) + 37 (530) = 1580
#6= 1600
#7= 1500

[Rohirrim]

I really don't think the Broncos did this for ammo to trade up. I think they saw where the true value in this draft was going to be and they grabbed the lion's share of it. Brilliant.

[Requiem]

Exactly what I wanted...ACQUIRING MORE FIRST DAY PICKS!!!

*holds hand and skips* I love you!

[cutthemdown]

that trade is completly even on the value chart i have.

[Old Dude]

...-With 3 4th round picks, would it suprise you to end up with Ricky Williams.
...

Yes.

But other than that, I agree with almost all of your post.

[yerner]

I guess its a good move strategically, but we need to get lucky a hit on these choices because we havent added anything of value this offseason yet. same team as last year, right?

[ro_50]

I dont know about the trade as of yet because I just heard it now.

But I'm sure Denver's thinking was that at number 22, there wasnt guy at that spot that they thought would be there or if the other players they have studied and researched and interviewed, they probably feel they are better off trading down and taking players comparable to the 22nd pick and not over-reaching.

I like the move, its gives them a high second round pick and they get back a third-round pick (THE ONE DENVER GAVE UP IN THE ABRAHAM TRADE) in the process.

Before the wheeling and dealing began, Denver had the first round picks in 22, 29; their second round pick and a low third round pick based on the first day.

Now, they have the 15th pick in the draft, two second round picks, one of which is pretty damn high, a third round, which is pretty high and an additional fourth round pick from the compensatory.

So basically, they moved up 7 spots in the first round, moved out of the bottom of the first round to the top of the second round, in addition to keeping its original second round pick, got that third-round pick back, which is many spots higher than Denver's original third-round pick.

I like it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Daryl Tapp

[Requiem]

OSKIE, excellent stuff. EXCELLENT.

[Requiem]

Daryl Tapp

Too small to play DE, late-third. ;)

[watermock]

I think its over Mock. The quest for your VD is ending as far as football is concerned.

http://www.michelemortem.com/myspace/images/khan.jpg

[Darkhawk24]

It's not a sexy trade. However when you think about it, it's probably the best move they could do. We don't have the best cap room and in a draft where the talent is pretty consistent from 20 through the 2nd round taking a step back for an early second and third could really provide this team with some much needed depth.

Plus if we could move the early 3rd for Walker that would be pretty sweet. (Wishful hoping I agree.)

[Killericon]

Goddamnit.

Now how are we gonna trade up for VD, huh?

[Garcia Bronco]

In the second? Hell no.

Third...maybe.


we could take him with 15 and we'd still be getting a deal.

[ro_50]

I would love to see Joseph Addai at one of those second round picks.

[Rascal]

I'd love to see them move down from #15 and pick up another 2nd, provided no one slips to that spot that shouldn't.

If Justice falls to 15 we can do that easily and I'd love to do that.

[Garcia Bronco]

http://www.michelemortem.com/myspace/images/khan.jpg


I too was smitten with Vernon...I really wanted an impact player...we could still trade up.

[watermock]

15(1050) + 37 (530) = 1580
#6= 1600
#7= 1500

That's the real deal...the smoke hasn't cleared yet.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If Justice falls to 15 we can do that easily and I'd love to do that.

Or Ngata

[Garcia Bronco]

Too small to play DE, late-third. ;)


Yep too small and strong...whatever...this guy is the second best DE in the draft...he's better than Kiwi

[Rohirrim]

My dream first day:

15. Tamba Hali, DE
37. Marcedes Lewis, TE
61. Daniel Bullocks, S
68. John McCargo, DT

[Rascal]

I would love to see Joseph Addai at one of those second round picks.

I'd be happy to do this:

15: Tamba Hali
37: Addai
61: Klop
third: traded for Javon
4a: BPA
4b: BPA
4c: BPA

[watermock]

Imagine us trading 15 and our late second for VD then moving Lelie for Walker and a 4th.

We catch VD and have an early second and third and still have two 4ths.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I too was smitten with Vernon...I really wanted an impact player...we could still trade up.


The impact players in this draft are in spots 1-6, then the dropoff is substantial, and after 15 it levels off until the fourth round. Denver has the ammo to take a chance or two by taking the BPA and also addressing needs at the same time.

Sundquist/Shanny rule. Always active, always maximizing resources.

[ro_50]

My dream first day:

15. Tamba Hali, DE
37. Marcedes Lewis, TE
61. Daniel Bullocks, S
68. John McCargo, DT


Is John McCargo good, I havent heard that much about him.

[RaiderH8r]

You smell that? That was Denver's front office taking a dump on another draft. I guess this pretty much clears my draft weekend.

[Requiem]

Yep too small and strong...whatever...this guy is the second best DE in the draft...he's better than Kiwi

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Hilarious!

[Ballhawk]

Where's the Cutler angle come from? Shanny's set with Jake for the next 3 years.

2 more years and it takes that to learn the system. Last time I checked we had 1 QB and a project on the roster. I think us taking a QB in this draft is quaranteed. We just have to wait and see where and who.

[ro_50]

Imagine us trading 15 and our late second for VD then moving Lelie for Walker and a 4th.

We catch VD and have an early second and third and still have two 4ths.


I'm all for Javon Walker coming on board.

[watermock]

This thread is hotter than fire itself.

[Garcia Bronco]

The impact players in this draft are in spots 1-6, then the dropoff is substantial, and after 15 it levels off until the fourth round. Denver has the ammo to take a chance or two by taking the BPA and also addressing needs at the same time.

Sundquist/Shanny rule. Always active, always maximizing resources.

All true

[Traveler]

You smell that? That was Denver's front office taking a dump on another draft. I guess this pretty much clears my draft weekend.


Tell us how you really feel Raider!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Pick #68- Omar Jacobs

[Mediator12]

Denver originally had #22, #29, #61, #93 on the first day. Value of 1840.

Denver now has the #15, #37, #61 and #68 picks on the first day. Value of 2122.

Hrm. What's not to like?

That is the best post so far on the value gained overall. DEN can actually move up MORE than they could before all of these moves went down.

[Rascal]

Or Ngata

True.

Giants maybe?

[Garcia Bronco]

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Hilarious!


I'm sayin if I took the DE pepsi challege I'd take Tapp..Tapp would whoop every guy in the draft on the street.

[Hotrod]

My dream first day:

15. Tamba Hali, DE
37. Marcedes Lewis, TE
61. Daniel Bullocks, S
68. John McCargo, DT

Sold now just give me some Oline depth and Im happier then pig in poo :yep:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

True.

Giants maybe?

Cincy, right next to fat Sam Adams for a year

[Requiem]

That is the best post so far on the value gained overall. DEN can actually move up MORE than they could before all of these moves went down.

Thanks Mediator. I'm glad you enjoyed.

The last time the Broncos had selections like this it was in 2000 when they selected Deltha O'Neal (15), Ian Gold, (40) and Kennoy Kennedy at (45). [Chris Cole at 70, but forget that.)

Even though O'Neal is hated around here, he's still a Pro-Bowler and a solid pro. Gold and Kennedy have been good pro's as well. I can only hope we can have that luck this year.

[Rohirrim]

Is John McCargo good, I havent heard that much about him.

Let's put it this way, a lot of what Mario and Manny were able to do, they were able to do because McCargo was their DT. What he can do up the middle turns his ends into stars.

[El Guapo]

proves that we cant afford two first rounders. damn, this sucks.

[Rascal]

Let's put it this way, a lot of what Mario and Manny were able to do, they were able to do because McCargo was their DT. What he can do up the middle turns his ends into stars.

Or he is Ryan Sims with Julius Peppers.

[maven]

If Justice falls to 15 we can do that easily and I'd love to do that.

I would be very happy if he fell to 15. I'm also very interested in Ngata.

[Requiem]

proves that we cant afford two first rounders. damn, this sucks.

Bull****. It prove that the Broncos feel there is better value elsewhere and the possibility of their guy being at #22 is almost equal at #37. Why reach when you don't think you have to? The draft is a gamble and I think the Broncos put all their chips in with the best hand here. This is a good move.

[Hotrod]

proves that we cant afford two first rounders. damn, this sucks.

Oh no my good man as long as someone gets a copy of Roh's post for picks to Shanny were gold. ^5

[ignitionnight]

There go all my hopes for Mario Williams. :(

[Rascal]

Cincy, right next to fat Sam Adams for a year

24/25 and 55/56 for #15?

For 25/56 the value is exact. For 24/55 we get a bit more.

Since this trade again proves the value chart to be pretty accurate I can see both of those scenarios happening. I'd love it.

[Rohirrim]

Or he is Ryan Sims with Julius Peppers.

The other guy to look at in that spot is Babatunde. I had given up on old BO because the Broncos just weren't in the right place to draft him. Now they are. Go BO!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

proves that we cant afford two first rounders. damn, this sucks.

Yes they could, stop taking everything the beat writers feed everyone at face value.

[Requiem]

I'm not going to school or work today. This is just too awesome.

[Garcia Bronco]

I'm not going to school or work today. This is just too awesome.


Dude...don't skip class for this ****...I skipped class in college to watch Sports Center repeats instead of going to class. Go to class. Now.

[Master___Pain]

Man, this thread looks a lot like the draft thread from last year. Bitching and moaning initially, and then being talked back from the ledge by the less emotional posters.

Good trade, and there are still tons of options for the Broncos in this draft. Too bad it's not this weekend and we get to deal with another 10+ days of specualtion, bitching and trade scenarios.

[Hotrod]

I'm not going to school or work today. This is just too awesome.

Wow if your that excited about this move wait until we trade down with the #15 pick for a 2nd and 3rd tomarrow. You might have a stroke ;D

[Requiem]

No, English is lame and I have an A+ (basically) in the class.

[Hotrod]

Man, this thread looks a lot like the draft thread from last year. b****ing and moaning initially, and then being talked back from the ledge by the less emotional posters.

Good trade, and there are still tons of options for the Broncos in this draft. Too bad it's not this weekend and we get to deal with another 10+ days of specualtion, b****ing and trade scenarios.

LOL life on the Mane

[Requiem]

Hotrod, I think you'd like that. :P Just kidding. WOOHOO. I'll be back in an hour, I have to go get price quotes on a t-shirt design. BBS!>AS>ad.

[Clockwork Orange]

If they end up with Hali, Kiwanuka, Pope or Lewis at 37, I'm thrilled. Those are all guys I'd have been allright with them taking at 22 anyway.

That makes it a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd & 3 4ths. Not bad at all.

[BroncoInferno]

Lame ass ****

BOOOOOO FO

What the ****? This is a very solid move. The value of this draft is in it's depth. That early 3rd rounder gives us a shot at two good players instead of just one. The difference in talent that will be available at 22 versus what we'll see at 37 is not that great, IMO, and we get another solid player early in the 3rd. Solid move, though it probably dashes my dream of Vernon.

[jrmarden]

Here's ultimately what the trading with Atlanta and SF did for us..

we traded the [22 29 93 4th(2007)] for [15 37 68].

I say that is pretty good if you ask me..

Plus, I think we might be looking at M. Drew or Mercedes in the 2nd round with the SF pick..

Plus would you really want to take a TE (V. Davis) with the 4th or 6th pick if we could package up to get there? Do you really want to pay a TE that much money? I would have liken to see us move up to get a qb.

So what are our picks now?

(1) 15
(2) 37
(2) 61
(3) 68
(4) 119
(4) 126
(4) 130
(5) 161
(6) 198

[Elway777]

The guys I like are Bullocks,klop ,Kiwi and Joseph

[Atlas]

This is a great move for the Broncos. It really sucked not having a 3rd rounder. Every year a player a team had rated higher falls to the 3rd round. Denver really did good by getting a 3rd. This also says that Denver will NOT draft one of the top RBS. Maroney, White or Williams are all out of their reach now. I like it. Jackson or Holmes at 15 and then a RB(Addai)or DT(Wroten) @ 37.

[RaiderH8r]

Tell us how you really feel Raider!
They have ten days to dust off the pooper scooper and get this turd off the floor.

Chart value doesn't = on field value.

It seems the last big draft day move the Broncos made was in '83. We're off the Vernon "Gravy Train" Davis lottery. I'm peeved.

I can just see how this story goes, if it stays as is, Jackson pulls the Broncos first round receiver Crap Out a la Nash. We get a bunch of minimal contributors, practice squaders, and spackle journey men who spend a year here and there bouncing around filling holes for various teams, retire after 5 years and go Clarence Kay and end up in the butt hut.

[Hotrod]

Hotrod, I think you'd like that. :P Just kidding. WOOHOO. I'll be back in an hour, I have to go get price quotes on a t-shirt design. BBS!>AS>ad.

;D I dont hold grudges my friend its all good

[BroncoInferno]

Oh - sorry. ;)

I think the other reason this will disappoint people is this should effectively put us out of the LenDale White sweepstakes. #15 is too early and he won't last past all the teams picking at the end of the 1st round.

Just because others may think 15 is too high for White doesn't mean Shanny and the front office boys do. If they have him rated highly, they will take him there. I, for one, would be fine with that. I don't give a damn about his workouts; he is a beast on film where it counts.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by Mediator12
That is the best post so far on the value gained overall. DEN can actually move up MORE than they could before all of these moves went down.

That's what I keep saying. Keep hold of the boot straps, the party is just starting.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The only sure thing is that it just increased the number of first day choices that will be b**ched about on the Mane by one. ;D

[watermock]

Just because others may think 15 is too high for White doesn't mean Shanny and the front office boys do. If they have him rated highly, they will take him there. I, for one, would be fine with that. I don't give a damn about his workouts; he is a beast on film where it counts.

No way White will be a Bronco unless at 37.

[Rohirrim]

The only sure thing is that it just increased the number of first day choices that will be b**ched about on the Mane by one. ;D

Sad, but true.

[orange crusher]

Could GB be demanding a 3rd and Lelie for Walker? We now have that 3rd. Regardless, I like the move. I'm not sure the talent drops that far from 22nd to 37th and we picked up an early 3rd.

[watermock]

No, English is lame and I have an A+ (basically) in the class.

Im impressed. Sometimes my fingers won't cooperate but I had a college level reaking skill at 6th grade. My spelling skills suck.

[Mediator12]

Another thing being missed about this trade is that there are more options Available with 37 and 68 than with 22. Having two sets of points available to move up or down. I have kept hearing the front office has a bunch slots with more desirable players. This gives them more access to those slots and sliders on draft day.

Also, for those who are pissed about doing this on draft day remember Brian Billick stiffing the broncos for a better offer. Shanahan has been way more proactive since then and it has worked out much better. The depth in the second and third rounds is where this draft is deep with starting level talent. I really would not be surprised to see them use a fourth or two with their Late third to move up even more on day one.

[watermock]

Being a lefty isn't easy.

[Atlas]

They have ten days to dust off the pooper scooper and get this turd off the floor.

Chart value doesn't = on field value.

It seems the last big draft day move the Broncos made was in '83. We're off the Vernon "Gravy Train" Davis lottery. I'm peeved.

I can just see how this story goes, if it stays as is, Jackson pulls the Broncos first round receiver Crap Out a la Nash. We get a bunch of minimal contributors, practice squaders, and spackle journey men who spend a year here and there bouncing around filling holes for various teams, retire after 5 years and go Clarence Kay and end up in the butt hut.

You need to relax. This is fun Sh!t and just proves that the Broncos are always looking to improve their team, ALWAYS. Some teams just get their draft picks and that's it. Shanny is always trying to do more. This is great, Just because they made this trade doesn't mean they won't trade up to get someone.

[Victor]

Fan-tas-tic move. The boys are working it.

I like the fact that they aren't waiting for draft day. They see a good move and they make it. There is a chance that they could get more on draft day, but then again, they may have done worse.

Plus there are only five teams drafting ahead of the 49'ers, so that limits the field for a similar 1st for 2nd and 3rd pick draft value.

Vernon Davis = Mike Mamula...he's a workout freak but he didn't produce any more than several other top tight ends.

Trust in the plan. The plan will set you free. Eros, Logos, Pathos, Planos.

[Blackened]

I'm sure this has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but the Broncos now draft right in front of the Raiders in rounds 2 and 3. I'm sure this part of the decision making process....

Bad news!:oyvey:


:deadhorse

[Rohirrim]

Another thing being missed about this trade is that there are more options Available with 37 and 68 than with 22. Having two sets of points available to move up or down. I have kept hearing the front office has a bunch slots with more desirable players. This gives them more access to those slots and sliders on draft day.

Also, for those who are pissed about doing this on draft day remember Brian Billick stiffing the broncos for a better offer. Shanahan has been way more proactive since then and it has worked out much better. The depth in the second and third rounds is where this draft is deep with starting level talent. I really would not be surprised to see them use a fourth or two with their Late third to move up even more on day one.

Sure be nice to see them get a spot between 37 and 61.

[watermock]

Another thing being missed about this trade is that there are more options Available with 37 and 68 than with 22. Having two sets of points available to move up or down. I have kept hearing the front office has a bunch slots with more desirable players. This gives them more access to those slots and sliders on draft day.

Also, for those who are pissed about doing this on draft day remember Brian Billick stiffing the broncos for a better offer. Shanahan has been way more proactive since then and it has worked out much better. The depth in the second and third rounds is where this draft is deep with starting level talent. I really would not be surprised to see them use a fourth or two with their Late third to move up even more on day one.

Very good points. It's always better to make pre draft moves than move on draft day. We can move up or stay put, now we are in the drivers seat despite Gibbs improbable run.

[Garcia Bronco]

What the ****? This is a very solid move. The value of this draft is in it's depth. That early 3rd rounder gives us a shot at two good players instead of just one. The difference in talent that will be available at 22 versus what we'll see at 37 is not that great, IMO, and we get another solid player early in the 3rd. Solid move, though it probably dashes my dream of Vernon.

I have reached acceptance now. That was my first reaction.;D

[Needa Pass Rush]

78 people viewing this thread! Yikes!

Where do we have more weakness that can be immediately effected by the draft? Offense or defense? I'm going to have to look at the current rosted and see how many new bodies we could even carry on the active roster.

[The Big E]

Denver originally had #22, #29, #61, #93 on the first day. Value of 1840.

Denver now has the #15, #37, #61 and #68 picks on the first day. Value of 2122.

Hrm. What's not to like?
:thumbsup: Thanks for posting that. I was wondering where we started compared to where we are now. It actually looks like they've done well, but the prudent approach is still kind of boring and I was looking forward to some fireworks. Oh well.

[watermock]

Talk about acceptance....I had a man crush on VD.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Sure be nice to see them get a spot between 37 and 61.

Trade down from #15 and there will be another pick in there.

[Finger Roll]

stupid trade. 3rd round picks usually suck. why bother with them

[Rohirrim]

I'm sure this has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but the Broncos now draft right in front of the Raiders in rounds 2 and 3. I'm sure this part of the decision making process....

Bad news!:oyvey:


:deadhorse

Ha! Hilarious! :yayaya: ^5

[JCMElway]

Wished they would have waited until they were on the clock, but at least it ends all the lame trade up rumors.

Also means that Denver goes another year without having 2 1st round picks in the same draft.

The downside of that is maybe the deal falls through at the last minute and you're stuck with a late 1st rounder where you don't like the value. At least the deal is done here and we can move on to the next deal.

Which is coming........

[RaiderH8r]

You need to relax. This is fun Sh!t and just proves that the Broncos are always looking to improve their team, ALWAYS. Some teams just get their draft picks and that's it. Shanny is always trying to do more. This is great, Just because they made this trade doesn't mean they won't trade up to get someone.
And that would be the pooper scooper required to clean up this mess. GET THE SCOOPER SHANNY!!

I'm still on Gravy Train's bandwagon. He's just that, the Gravy Train. A monster with hands that fights for the ball and runs like greased sh!t through a Christmas goose. Look at what happened to the Chargers O after Gates showed up. Granted, he's just a piece in the puzzle, but he's a tremendous pain in the ass to account for. Too big for DBs and Safeties to cover, too fast for LBs to cover. Athletic enough to use his size and smart enough to run crisp routes and understand the philosophy behind the offense. Gravy Train is EXACTLY what the Snake, and this offense needs. That cozy little 5 yd out route off of PA, and then turn it into the out and up as Ds get wise to it....oooh the possibilities. But NOOOOOO, we're going limp dick panty waste. Roll the bones, get the game breaker and get over that hump. It's either DL or TE.

[Rohirrim]

Trade down from #15 and there will be another pick in there.

I'd rather they keep that 15. Who knows? Maybe Ngata drops?

[BroncoInferno]

I think we still move up from 15 for VD, Bunkley or maybe even Cutler if he slides. Regardless I like our position much better now even though I still dont like being at #15.

Yep. Let's say for the sake of argument that they have been eyeing a move up to 9 or 10 to get Bunkley. We give up 61 to do it, that would have left us with only 22 for the rest of the first day. Now if we trade 61 in a move up for Bunkley, we'll still have 37 and the early 3rd. A trade up is certainly not off the table at this point, although Mario or VD probably are.

[minibronco]

Ugh. Geez. That blows.

[Requiem]

Vernon Davis at #5-6 (Salvage our draft) or Marcedes Lewis/Leonard Pope at #37 and still have #15, #61 and #68 on the first day.

Lewis or Pope please. *dances like Mc Hammer*

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I'd rather they keep that 15. Who knows? Maybe Ngata drops?

It was contingent on no one dropping.

But if no one drops, they're pretty much in the same position they were in with #22. They'll be forced to take a guy that would be available much later.

[JCMElway]

You need to relax. This is fun Sh!t and just proves that the Broncos are always looking to improve their team, ALWAYS. Some teams just get their draft picks and that's it. Shanny is always trying to do more. This is great, Just because they made this trade doesn't mean they won't trade up to get someone.

Maven, raiderhater, all of you need to relax and breathe.

Geez, If we don't trade up and get Reggie Bush or VD then the trade sucks. But then, if we did trade up for those guys the same peolple would probably B*tch that we gave up way too much.

[Hotrod]

Trade down from #15 and there will be another pick in there.

Exactly what I want. Down from 15 to another early 2nd and 3rd???

[BroncoInferno]

If they end up with Hali, Kiwanuka, Pope or Lewis at 37, I'm thrilled. Those are all guys I'd have been allright with them taking at 22 anyway.

That makes it a 1st, 2 2nds, a 3rd & 3 4ths. Not bad at all.

I have a feeling it will be Drew or Fassano @ 37. They are rumored to like both better than some of the more immediately recognizable like who you mentioned. I like both players, so that wouldn't bother me a bit, though I imagine many others would be pissed.

[Rohirrim]

It was contingent on no one dropping.

But if no one drops, they're pretty much in the same position they were in with #22. They'll be forced to take a guy that would be available much later.

You know what a poker player Shanahan is. Maybe he'll hold onto that 15 until the last minute, just to bluff somebody out of their socks on draft day.

[Merlin]

It was contingent on no one dropping.
Someone always drops, and in this yr's draft it will include DLs, TEs, and RBs, which bodes well for the Broncos in the first 3 rounds.

[RaiderH8r]

Maven, raiderhater, all of you need to relax and breathe.

Geez, If we don't trade up and get Reggie Bush or VD then the trade sucks. But then, if we did trade up for those guys the same peolple would probably B*tch that we gave up way too much.
I'm just sick of gooey gobs of mediocrity to choose from. Gravy Train and Mario Williams are day 1 impact players. Mario will be choosing his house by the time the 5th pick rolls around, so let's go Gravy Train and get over the hump. The middle rounds do not produce many hump-busters.

[Man-Goblin]

Another thing being missed about this trade is that there are more options Available with 37 and 68 than with 22. Having two sets of points available to move up or down. I have kept hearing the front office has a bunch slots with more desirable players. This gives them more access to those slots and sliders on draft day.

Also, for those who are pissed about doing this on draft day remember Brian Billick stiffing the broncos for a better offer. Shanahan has been way more proactive since then and it has worked out much better. The depth in the second and third rounds is where this draft is deep with starting level talent. I really would not be surprised to see them use a fourth or two with their Late third to move up even more on day one.

Excellent point on the Billick thing. Who were they trying to move up for again??? I hope it wasn't Boeller....

[Requiem]

Although it's unlikely to trade down from #15, if the guy(s) we are looking at aren't there, another trade down would be nice. Atleast this time, you're looking at more than a second and a third-round choice. You could be looking at a second and a third this year, along with a future fourth. Something ala the Redskins trade last year.

I wouldn't expect a trade out of #15 to be done until they're on the clock. At any case, the Broncos have helped themselves a lot. There are a lot of fantastic players in the the range they're picking, and unless they go absolutely retarded, they're going to be getting three very solid prospects at #37, #61 and #68.

Please Shanahan, no Friedman reaching this time. No stupid picks.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'm sure this has already been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but the Broncos now draft right in front of the Raiders in rounds 2 and 3. I'm sure this part of the decision making process....

Bad news!:oyvey:


:deadhorse
:raidersux
;D

[Ballhawk]

Yep. Let's say for the sake of argument that they have been eyeing a move up to 9 or 10 to get Bunkley. We give up 61 to do it, that would have left us with only 22 for the rest of the first day. Now if we trade 61 in a move up for Bunkley, we'll still have 37 and the early 3rd. A trade up is certainly not off the table at this point, although Mario or VD probably are.

Would make sense. Clev and Baltimore are the two teams we would need to get ahead of to get one of the top DTs. Keep in mind that we only have 3 DTs on the roster.

[Elway777]

15 DW2 ,The Broncos get next TD 37 Daniel Bullocks ,4.4 speed with 38 inch vertical and hits like a ton of bricks 61 Klop ,compared to Heap 67. Claude Wroten.

[Requiem]

I'm just sick of gooey gobs of mediocrity to choose from. Gravy Train and Mario Williams are day 1 impact players. Mario will be choosing his house by the time the 5th pick rolls around, so let's go Gravy Train and get over the hump. The middle rounds do not produce many hump-busters.
I'd have to look at draft history, but I'd have to say that there are by far more players in the league who are producing top numbers that were drafted in the second and third rounds than there are those who were selected in the top five. Actually, I don't have to look. I know so.

You act like Vernon Davis is a sure thing, a fantastic prospect -- yep, but whose to say he doesn't blow a knee out or go Winslow, Jr. on us?

He'd be great to have, but I'm sure the Broncos Management likes the idea of having four guys on the first day instead of two. At least, I'd hope most of us would feel that way.

Also, it's not like the quality is lacking where we're chosing either. So a quality over quantity argument isn't valid as of right now, but in hind-sight it could of if we end up reaching on a player or drafting guys who do absolute squat.

I think the management did what was in the best interest in the team and that's four high profile prospects instead of just one or two. It's not often that teams will have the level of selections we have in the draft, and in the past several years, there have been multiple times where we've had additional day one picks. That's always a good thing.

[Mediator12]

And that would be the pooper scooper required to clean up this mess. GET THE SCOOPER SHANNY!!

I'm still on Gravy Train's bandwagon. He's just that, the Gravy Train. A monster with hands that fights for the ball and runs like greased sh!t through a Christmas goose. Look at what happened to the Chargers O after Gates showed up. Granted, he's just a piece in the puzzle, but he's a tremendous pain in the ass to account for. Too big for DBs and Safeties to cover, too fast for LBs to cover. Athletic enough to use his size and smart enough to run crisp routes and understand the philosophy behind the offense. Gravy Train is EXACTLY what the Snake, and this offense needs. That cozy little 5 yd out route off of PA, and then turn it into the out and up as Ds get wise to it....oooh the possibilities. But NOOOOOO, we're going limp dick panty waste. Roll the bones, get the game breaker and get over that hump. It's either DL or TE.

Mike Ditka did that with Ricky Williams in NO and look where that got him. A seat in the booth for selling the draft for one player. Gates and Brees development both made the Chargers offense hard to handle along with McCardell and a guy named Tomlinson maybe you've heard of him ;D

[watermock]

I smell smoke..

I said it this morning, and it's still in the air.

We are in fine position in this draft. We have moved up into premium position in the draft. From 29. Now we have 15, 37 our other second, a third and 3 4'ts. We can easily move again into the top ten.

[Victor]

Excellent point on the Billick thing. Who were they trying to move up for again??? I hope it wasn't Boeller....

I think that they wanted to get Suggs, the DE from Arizona or Arizona State.

[BroncoInferno]

It was contingent on no one dropping.

But if no one drops, they're pretty much in the same position they were in with #22. They'll be forced to take a guy that would be available much later.

Don't rule out the trade up just yet. Obviously we no longer have the ammo to get VD or Mario, but now we could move our late 2nd to get Bunkley and still have two picks, whereas before such a move would have left us with only one other first day selection. This could be posturing for such a move. Who the hell knows, but I wouldn't rule it out. I doubt they will move back down unless Jackson is gone, and they'd probably still take Holmes in that senario. Whether or not we like the WR prospects, it appears Shanny and the boys do, so we might as well prepare ourselves for that likely selection if we don't move up for Bunkley/Huff/etc.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Someone always drops, and in this yr's draft it will include DLs, TEs, and RBs, which bodes well for the Broncos in the first 3 rounds.

Someone always does, but will they fall to #15. Davis could be this year's faller and not make it out of the Top 10. #15 is not where Denver wants to be if someone doesn't slip to their spot. They don't need OLBs, CBs, and possibly RBs and that's probably what's going to go from #16 to the early 20's. They can trade down and still stand a good chance of not losing out on their target(s) at #15.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I doubt they will move back down unless Jackson is gone, and they'd probably still take Holmes in that senario. Whether or not we like the WR prospects, it appears Shanny and the boys do, so we might as well prepare ourselves for that likely selection if we don't move up for Bunkley/Huff/etc.

You assume that Jackson or Holmes is the target when Shanahan's never so blatantly played his hand this far out before the draft.

[El Guapo]

meh, sorry for the neg attitude.. but as mentioned above, I was hoping for a mario williams caliber player as well.

[ludo21]

AWESOME< AWESOME!!!!!!!

Im not sure where that is on the draft value chart, but i love it!

[BroncoInferno]

You assume that Jackson or Holmes is the target when Shanahan's never so blatantly played his hand this far out before the draft.

You're definately right there, but looking at who is likely to be available at 15 worth that value and what our needs are, the only other possibility seems to me to be LenDale. Who else do you see as possibilities if we stay put? I guess Cutler if he fell that far, but I doubt he will. Jimmy Williams, maybe?

[epicSocialism4tw]

You assume that Jackson or Holmes is the target when Shanahan's never so blatantly played his hand this far out before the draft.

I am still unconvinced that Denver is targeting Jackson or Holmes there. They never draft the obvious player. It just doesnt happen. This could be the first time, but I would be surprised if it was.

I dont see Shanny willingly dumping #15 money on a combine guy. I could be wrong, but I'd be stunned.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You're definately right there, but looking at who is likely to be available at 15 worth that value and what our needs are, the only other possibility seems to me to be LenDale. Who else do you see as possibilities if we stay put? I guess Cutler if he fell that far, but I doubt he will. Jimmy Williams, maybe?

I'm thinking White or Williams.

[Mediator12]

Someone always does, but will they fall to #15. Davis could be this year's faller and not make it out of the Top 10. #15 is not where Denver wants to be if someone doesn't slip to their spot. They don't need OLBs, CBs, and possibly RBs and that's probably what's going to go from #16 to the early 20's. They can trade down and still stand a good chance of not losing out on their target(s) at #15.

Staying at 15 for awhile makes a ton of sense if they want to move up though. They can move ahead of CLE and BAL with 15 and an early third for Bunkley. They may have other people targeted who could realistically slip. Again, keeping 15 allows for flexibility and they already have a value target list for that position set up.

[Jesterhole]

I'd rather have two players to develope than one. Being a first round pick means next to nothing in the long run. Good move. And we still have the 15...

[Man-Goblin]

I think that they wanted to get Suggs, the DE from Arizona or Arizona State.

Suggs was actually Baltimore's first pick in that draft, I believe the 6th overall. Boeller went #20 and I think that was the position Shanny was eyeing...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

You're definately right there, but looking at who is likely to be available at 15 worth that value and what our needs are, the only other possibility seems to me to be LenDale. Who else do you see as possibilities if we stay put? I guess Cutler if he fell that far, but I doubt he will. Jimmy Williams, maybe?

I'd love Cutler if he fell. Actually this trade down from #22 would have been what I wanted the Broncos to do if they had taken JC. Jay's not going to play in '06, so pick up extra picks in this draft in hope of hitting on a couple guys that will.

[Hotrod]

White at #15 :nono:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Staying at 15 for awhile makes a ton of sense if they want to move up though. They can move ahead of CLE and BAL with 15 and an early third for Bunkley. They may have other people targeted who could realistically slip. Again, keeping 15 allows for flexibility and they already have a value target list for that position set up.

I'm not advocating a trade down until they're on the clock and if no one slips.

[Needa Pass Rush]

I smell smoke..

I said it this morning, and it's still in the air.

We are in fine position in this draft. We have moved up into premium position in the draft. From 29. Now we have 15, 37 our other second, a third and 3 4'ts. We can easily move again into the top ten.

Lelie is still simmering.

[Rohirrim]

There are a lot of teams out there who are in bad need of DBs, and DBs just happen to be rising on all the boards right now. As far as trading down from 15 goes, the Broncos are in a good spot to dangle one of those DBs in front of say, two or three teams in the same division? Who bites first? Who bites hardest?

[Requiem]

White is not worth it at fifteen.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Suggs was actually Baltimore's first pick in that draft, I believe the 6th overall. Boeller went #20 and I think that was the position Shanny was eyeing...

Denver tried to move up with Minnesota (picking 7th) to get Suggs, Minnesota broke off discussion when Baltimore called (picking 10th) about trading to get ahead of Jacksonville and to draft Leftwich. That's when the Vikings clock expired and Jax and Carolina made their picks about 1 minute apart.

Later Baltimore had agreed to a trade with Denver to move back into the 1st to take Boller, then Billick backed out at the end and made a trade with the Pats instead.

[BroncoInferno]

White is not worth it at fifteen.

Well, Shanny may feel differently. Better prepare yourself for the possibility. I pay more attention to what a guy does on the field than his workouts, so I think he's definately worth it.

[Drek]

meh, sorry for the neg attitude.. but as mentioned above, I was hoping for a mario williams caliber player as well.
Mario Williams will probably be the #2 player off the board. We've never had the firepower to go after him, baring a significant slide.

We do have enough pick value to move up between 5-10, a range where 15 and 22 were too much to give, but 15, 37, and a 4th make a lot more sense. We'll see how it pans out, but all the cliff jumpers should hold on a bit longer and see how it all plays out.

[Man-Goblin]

Denver tried to move up with Minnesota (picking 7th) to get Suggs, Minnesota broke off discussion when Baltimore called (picking 10th) about trading to get ahead of Jacksonville and to draft Leftwich. That's when the Vikings clock expired and Jax and Carolina made their picks about 1 minute apart.

Later Baltimore had agreed to a trade with Denver to move back into the 1st to take Boller, then Billick backed out at the end and made a trade with the Pats instead.

That's right. Thanks man.

[Hotrod]

Well, Shanny may feel differently. Better prepare yourself for the possibility. I pay more attention to what a guy does on the field than his workouts, so I think he's definately worth it.

History is what it is but still Shanny taking a RB in the 1st round at #15 none the less seems unlikely. Of course maybe hes tired of the RBBC/turnover at the possition.

I would think if White is the target we could drop a few and pick up another future pick or something and still get our man.

[watermock]

We just have to find a hungry carp.

I had friends make a road trip to some filthy lake and catch filthy carp by the bucket. They got all done cleaning and coating and frying, and when it came out, it still was carp!

I'm not authorized to9 make parables, but I could see they were frying carp.

The lesson is this, even tho crappie sounds worse than carp, it's better tasting.

[Kaylore]

Good move.