Denver swaps picks with Niner's

[Nuggets4]

Only thing I'm not loving about this deal is that it's 10 days in advance. I would have prefered to be on the clock when it's done, but understand why they did it now.

The way some people on this board talk about VD you would think he was Chuck Norris or Dirk Nowitzki.

[Requiem]

Well, Shanny may feel differently. Better prepare yourself for the possibility. I pay more attention to what a guy does on the field than his workouts, so I think he's definately worth it.

I'm prepared. I'm not going to boo the pick, but I just don't believe Denver needs a back in round one. Oh, I do too -- but there's no doubt that it's a consensus that White seems to be falling. I think teams will be sorry for passing up on him, but what can ya do?

[RaiderH8r]

I'd have to look at draft history, but I'd have to say that there are by far more players in the league who are producing top numbers that were drafted in the second and third rounds than there are those who were selected in the top five. Actually, I don't have to look. I know so.

You act like Vernon Davis is a sure thing, a fantastic prospect -- yep, but whose to say he doesn't blow a knee out or go Winslow, Jr. on us?

He'd be great to have, but I'm sure the Broncos Management likes the idea of having four guys on the first day instead of two. At least, I'd hope most of us would feel that way.

Also, it's not like the quality is lacking where we're chosing either. So a quality over quantity argument isn't valid as of right now, but in hind-sight it could of if we end up reaching on a player or drafting guys who do absolute squat.

I think the management did what was in the best interest in the team and that's four high profile prospects instead of just one or two. It's not often that teams will have the level of selections we have in the draft, and in the past several years, there have been multiple times where we've had additional day one picks. That's always a good thing.
Gravy Train adds a tremendous dynamic to the offense, fundamentally changes how teams game plan v. last year. Same with Mario Williams. Sure it's always a gamble to roll the bones on a high pick. The Solja' is a unique kind of bust, more so with Leaf.

I'm a huge believer in the TE position. It's double duty. Roll up safeties to cover and leave CBs on an island deep. Leave safeties back and risk being dinked and dunked all day long because your LBs can't keep up. Cowboys had Novacek, Giants had Bavaro, Broncos had Sharpe, Shockey is a nightmare. Regarding the Chargers: Gates gives D's one more person to account for in tight. Used to be you could have 7 guys focus on Tomlinson. An NFL QB should be able to utilize the TE in his sleep, if he can't he should be bagging groceries. Brees has some talent and could exploit gaps in the D due to over compensating for Gates' ability to work deeper routes. It just puts the middle of the field in a bind, damned if you do damned if you don't. It keeps backside LBs home for fear of the play action pass to the back side of a run play so they don't crash on a weak side run. You can split him wide to the slot and move an LB outside of the box creating more room to run. Just good things utilizing motion. On and on. Gimme the Gravy Train.

[watermock]

Denver tried to move up with Minnesota (picking 7th) to get Suggs, Minnesota broke off discussion when Baltimore called (picking 10th) about trading to get ahead of Jacksonville and to draft Leftwich. That's when the Vikings clock expired and Jax and Carolina made their picks about 1 minute apart.

Later Baltimore had agreed to a trade with Denver to move back into the 1st to take Boller, then Billick backed out at the end and made a trade with the Pats instead.

Billick has been a backstabber on several occasions.

He's a dickhead.

[RaiderH8r]

Only thing I'm not loving about this deal is that it's 10 days in advance. I would have prefered to be on the clock when it's done, but understand why they did it now.

The way some people on this board talk about VD you would think he was Chuck Norris or Dirk Nowitzki.
Dirk Nowitzki never divided by zero...

[Obushma]

I like the move, we have an opportunity to now pick up all our needs and have them actually pan out to be NFL starters.

Only thing I would have liked better is if we sent 15 to San Fran for their second rounder and next years first. We now would be reaching for Hali when he fit perfectly @ 22, I am praying we dont draft Jackson @ 15.

Overall, I like it.

[NaptownChief]

I really like this trade cause the thought of you guys putting together a package with those two first rounders to move up and get Reggie Bush was making me sick. I feel much better now.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Hopefully with more picks, there's a greater chance that more than 1 guy will be on the roster for the '09 season

[Requiem]

RaiderH8R, good post, but I feel that Pope and Lewis can be dynamic threats too. We'll just have to see, but when it's all said and done, and I'm in my rocker at the nursing home -- I just have a gut feeling that Pope and Lewis may do better and end up with better careers. Pre-Combine, Davis was behind both of those guys, but worked out phenomenally and sky-rocketed. I'd love to have him, but I'll welcome Pope and Lewis -- along with the additional dude at #68 just as much if not more than V-Davy-Gravy. ;)

[Rohirrim]

Only thing I'm not loving about this deal is that it's 10 days in advance. I would have prefered to be on the clock when it's done, but understand why they did it now.

The way some people on this board talk about VD you would think he was Chuck Norris or Dirk Nowitzki.

Marcedes Lewis has better numbers on the football field.

[MileHighMagic]

If we took White at 37 I wouldn't like it. If we took him at 15 I will vomit uncontrollably! I want Javon Walker and Deangelo.

[RaiderH8r]

I like the move, we have an opportunity to now pick up all our needs and have them actually pan out to be NFL starters.

Only thing I would have liked better is if we sent 15 to San Fran for their second rounder and next years first. We now would be reaching for Hali when he fit perfectly @ 22, I am praying we dont draft Jackson @ 15.

Overall, I like it.
Stealing next year's first from San Fran would be robbery...I'd endorse it. That could very well be #1 overall, that team is in the crap house.

[Hotrod]

If we took White at 37 I wouldn't like it. If we took him at 15 I will vomit uncontrollably! I want Javon Walker and Deangelo.

White at 37 would be a good deal IMO. The problem is I want a DE and TE with the first 2 picks.

[Rohirrim]

The Lions are dying for DBs. Maybe they would trade their #40 and #74 (plus next year's second) to move up to 15. Give them 9 and 15. After all, we're talking Matt Millen here. Of course, that brings up the question, just how many guys can the Broncos sign this year?

That would give the Broncos 37, 40, 61, 68 & 74 on day one.

[Obushma]

Stealing next year's first from San Fran would be robbery...I'd endorse it. That could very well be #1 overall, that team is in the crap house.

Exactly, I think they would be willing to do it too with the best rated WR in the draft sitting around that pick.

[Requiem]

#15 - Chad Jackson (I'd rather a guy falls, but bear with me)
#37 - Leonard Pope or Marcedes Lewis
#61 - Rod Wright
#68 - Daryn Colledge, perhaps a edge guy like Mark Anderson.

So many possibilities, so much of what I want to do is contigent on #15, but if something like that shook out, I'll be jumpin!

[eddie mac]

Trade down from #15 and there will be another pick in there.

The day before the draft Broncos will trade 15 to Kubes for 33, 65 and 66.

Giving us 33, 37, 61, 65, 66 and 68

[Borks147]

Stealing next year's first from San Fran would be robbery...I'd endorse it. That could very well be #1 overall, that team is in the crap house.

with our luck they'd win the superbowl next year.....****ing redskins dsakfdkfjs df!!!!

[RaiderH8r]

RaiderH8R, good post, but I feel that Pope and Lewis can be dynamic threats too. We'll just have to see, but when it's all said and done, and I'm in my rocker at the nursing home -- I just have a gut feeling that Pope and Lewis may do better and end up with better careers. Pre-Combine, Davis was behind both of those guys, but worked out phenomenally and sky-rocketed. I'd love to have him, but I'll welcome Pope and Lewis -- along with the additional dude at #68 just as much if not more than V-Davy-Gravy. ;)
I just look at his skills, which can be an asset or a liability, depending. But Gravy Train has soft hands and is an athletic beast and anomaly for the position. Speed kills, he's got size. We can get him coached up, that's not a problem. But you can't teach speed like he has at that size. Soft hands don't come easy either. Balance and body control...just good stuff.

[Requiem]

The Lions are dying for DBs. Maybe they would trade their #40 and #74 (plus next year's second) to move up to 15. Give them 9 and 15. After all, we're talking Matt Millen here. Of course, that brings up the question, just how many guys can the Broncos sign this year?

That would give the Broncos 37, 40, 61, 68 & 74 on day one.

Dude, you're making my head hurt and you're making me randy. Mmm. ;D

[-Slap-]

My dream first day:

15. Tamba Hali, DE
37. Marcedes Lewis, TE
61. Daniel Bullocks, S
68. John McCargo, DT
I like it.

[MileHighMagic]

Ya, I really wanted Vernon.

[Hotrod]

The Lions are dying for DBs. Maybe they would trade their #40 and #74 (plus next year's second) to move up to 15. Give them 9 and 15. After all, we're talking Matt Millen here. Of course, that brings up the question, just how many guys can the Broncos sign this year?

That would give the Broncos 37, 40, 61, 68 & 74 on day one.

Holy crap I would *** myself.

[-Slap-]

I'd be happy to do this:

15: Tamba Hali
37: Addai
61: Klop
third: traded for Javon
4a: BPA
4b: BPA
4c: BPA
I like that, too.

I think Hali would be a steal 15. Great natural pass rush skills. Mature beyond his years. The kind of maturity you acquire when you have an AK-47 stuck in your face when you're 11 years old. Graduating on time. His only concerns are getting his mom out of Liberia and helping his father.

Who gives a crap about his 40 time? Is the quarterback going to be setting up 40 yards away from him?

[ludo21]

Only thing I'm not loving about this deal is that it's 10 days in advance. I would have prefered to be on the clock when it's done, but understand why they did it now.

The way some people on this board talk about VD you would think he was Chuck Norris or Dirk Nowitzki.


VD is going to be great. Thats why...

I like that this was done early, makes for GREAT speculation, AND i dont expect us to be sitting still for long!

I cant wait till draft day!

(too bad ill be in some Mexican bar drinking crappy mexico beer, Ha!)

[Ballhawk]

Only thing I'm not loving about this deal is that it's 10 days in advance. I would have prefered to be on the clock when it's done, but understand why they did it now.

The way some people on this board talk about VD you would think he was Chuck Norris or Dirk Nowitzki.
I said on another thread and still believe it, come draft day 3:1 teams will be looking to move down and the value will be in moving up. I think GB and SF are hoping Mario slides, when that does not happen they will be looking to move down. I think most GMs will see that the value of this draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but are holding out hope that a player slides.

This trade makes sense for the 49ers who desperatly need secondary help. There is no Corner worth #6 pick and there was not going to be a top guy left at 37.

[Beantown Bronco]

I like this trade.....sure, it's not "sexy"....but we still have two picks that are far higher than any pick we had in last year's draft (and PLENTY of ammo to move up if they want), and I think we can all agree that last year's draft worked out pretty well for us.

[NaptownChief]

Who gives a crap about his 40 time? Is the quarterback going to be setting up 40 yards away from him?


I really like Hali as well and would be happy to see him end up with the Chiefs in the 1st round. My only reservation with the kid and probably a silly one is the Penn State bust thing. And I am not talking about the old Penn State RB stuff. All the top defensive linemen in recent history have vastly underachieved in the NFL. Brown, Kennedy and Michael Haynes all quickly come to mind. Larry Johnson proved that it is probably silly to get caught up in that thinking but it is hard not to at times.

[Orange_Beard]

I gotta say I am kind of shocked.
At this point we need quality over quantity. I was thinking we would land one impact player.
Of course it is not here yet, lots more could still happen........

[Jesterhole]

I'd rather have two players to develope than one. Being a first round pick means next to nothing in the long run. Good move. And we still have the 15...

[TheManeMan]

Anybody else just love the fact that Denver always seems to get the ball rolling before the Draft??

Its been like this a few years in a row...

[ludo21]

I gotta say I am kind of shocked.
At this point we need quality over quantity. I was thinking we would land one impact player.
Of course it is not here yet, lots more could still happen........


I dont think we are close to being done!

And our 2nd and third rounders last year were quality id say!

Denver realizes the depth is after the first round, i for one love the move!

Still plenty of ammo to move up to. 7 picks in 4 rounds, AWESOME!

[-Slap-]

I really like Hali as well and would be happy to see him end up with the Chiefs in the 1st round. My only reservation with the kid and probably a silly one is the Penn State bust thing. And I am not talking about the old Penn State RB stuff. All the top defensive linemen in recent history have vastly underachieved in the NFL. Brown, Kennedy and Michael Haynes all quickly come to mind. Larry Johnson proved that it is probably silly to get caught up in that thinking but it is hard not to at times.
Like the Tennessee wideouts. They're generally either busts or giant pains in the ass.

[Ballhawk]

I still dont know why people feel VD is no longer possible. #15 & #22=#4 pick on the draft chart. #15 and #37 =#6 on the draft chart. In a deep draft we would have been over paying to move to #5 by sending both 1st. If we do it now we are underpaying, but have the extra picks (maybe a 4th or a 2007 third) to get the deal done.

IMO this is step one and step two will happen the day before the draft or draft day.

[Traveler]

It's great they understand where the value of this draft is. I just hate that Shanahan might select players that illicit a unanimous WTF! Just make the sensible selections!:pray:

[GonzoLays]

Looks like the Broncos have been listening to ol' Gonzo again. They know this draft after the top 12 prospects are WEAK FIRST ROUND GRADE TALENT. Posters like SoCalBronco would have you believe that there are 35 players in this draft with first round grade talent. HA! And a DOUBLE HA!

This is one of the weakest first rounds in over five years. 12 solid players at top and bunch of second rounders going in the first round after that.

All HAIL GONZO!!!!

[NaptownChief]

It's great they understand where the value of this draft is. I just hate that Shanahan might select players that illicit a unanimous WTF! Just make the sensible selections!:pray:


Come on now...That Clarrett pick last year completed the first day of the draft better than any draft in my history. That had me going into Saturday night with a gigantic smile on my face....It helped offset the frown that was on there just moments before when the Chiefs spent their 3rd rounder on a punter.

[watermock]

Welln here we are at the World Series of Drafting....

Heere are our resident experts, Duane and Skeeter...

Uhh. who..no you...when is Luane gona git us bail?

[watermock]

Come on now...That Clarrett pick last year completed the first day of the draft better than any draft in my history. That had me going into Saturday night with a gigantic smile on my face....It helped offset the frown that was on there just moments before when the Chiefs spent their 3rd rounder on a punter.


Listed dickhead, who did you draft that made an impact.

[Hotrod]

Come on now...That Clarrett pick last year completed the first day of the draft better than any draft in my history. That had me going into Saturday night with a gigantic smile on my face....It helped offset the frown that was on there just moments before when the Chiefs spent their 3rd rounder on a punter.

I like the punter pick myself. Hell even boob made his famous "our punter will mess you up" thread. Ha!

[Requiem]

Looks like the Broncos have been listening to ol' Gonzo again. They know this draft after the top 12 prospects are WEAK FIRST ROUND GRADE TALENT. Posters like SoCalBronco would have you believe that there are 35 players in this draft with first round grade talent. HA! And a DOUBLE HA!

This is one of the weakest first rounds in over five years. 12 solid players at top and bunch of second rounders going in the first round after that.

All HAIL GONZO!!!!

I don't know about that. SoCal and I argued that there is similar talent from #22 on back into the mid-second because the potential of those players are just as good. I think in any other draft, some of the guys you'll see going in the early second would have went in the first round.

[ludo21]

Come on now...That Clarrett pick last year completed the first day of the draft better than any draft in my history. That had me going into Saturday night with a gigantic smile on my face....It helped offset the frown that was on there just moments before when the Chiefs spent their 3rd rounder on a punter.


Definitely shook some things up. :rofl:

Punter turned out like a good pick for u guys tho.

[elpasojoe]

This deal is sweet in lots of terms.

Pick # 15 an elite player FALLS to us;
Pick # 37 first round talent FALLS to us;
Pick # 61 top second round talent FALLS to us;
Pick # 68 second round talent FALLS to us;

Don't forget that the best player available at 37 may be Nick Mangold; how sweet would that be;

61 and 68 gives us the luxury of targetting need at TE and Safety, this also gives us more flexibity and leverage to trade #15 to go for VD.

This is great and what many have been crying for for some time.

[watermock]

You going to fart one?

[NaptownChief]

Definitely shook some things up. :rofl:

Punter turned out like a good pick for u guys tho.



Well certainly better than Clarrett and I expect him to dramatically improve this year but he wasn't any bargain last year...He was near the bottom of the league in gross and net punting average...Not to mention out kicked by a couple other rookie free agents.

[Mediator12]

Looks like the Broncos have been listening to ol' Gonzo again. They know this draft after the top 12 prospects are WEAK FIRST ROUND GRADE TALENT. Posters like SoCalBronco would have you believe that there are 35 players in this draft with first round grade talent. HA! And a DOUBLE HA!

This is one of the weakest first rounds in over five years. 12 solid players at top and bunch of second rounders going in the first round after that.

All HAIL GONZO!!!!

Thanks Narcissus!

There are always levels of talent in each round. Overall grades are more important than a ROUND grade. This draft has more players graded as potential starters in the first three rounds in over ten years. In the last five years, the skill positions especially WR and CB have been deeper in the first round with legitimate guys this year not so much but other positions are really deep.

[GonzoLays]

I don't know about that. SoCal and I argued that there is similar talent from #22 on back into the mid-second because the potential of those players are just as good. I think in any other draft, some of the guys you'll see going in the early second would have went in the first round.

I don't know. Gabe Watson is the third best DT in the draft and he was benched his senior year. Chad Jackson is the best WR in the draft and he averaged 10.2 yards per catch. Kamerion Wimbley is the second best DE in the draft and he had 7.5 sacks his senior season and barely weighs 240. Tamba Hali is the third best DE and he ran a 4.88 40.

Those guy are all "first round grade" talent? I don't think so but all of them are probably going to go in the first round.

[watermock]

Your an idiot

[alkemical]

I like tamba hali -

[Mediator12]

I don't know. Gabe Watson is the third best DT in the draft and he was benched his senior year. Chad Jackson is the best WR in the draft and he averaged 10.2 yards per catch. Kamerion Wimbley is the second best DE in the draft and he had 7.5 sacks his senior season and barely weighs 240. Tamba Hali is the third best DE and he ran a 4.88 40.

Those guy are all "first round grade" talent? I don't think so but all of them are probably going to go in the first round.

I rank Ali as the #2 DE and he is going ahead of Kiwanuka who was a top ten last year and a possible second rounder this year. WR had a bunch a very good Juniors and Williams declare last year making this years class Weak at the top. Wimbley is going to be an OLB unless another team can make him a Robert Mathis. Watson has issues but DT has been devalued in the first for several years now since it takes longer to develop NFL skills there.

Plus, Wright and Orien Harris were projected first rounders last year and may go in the 3rd.

[wolf754life]

I am telling you guys, this is the best positioned Denver has ever been in the draft, ever, and its the most important draft in the history of the club. I can't overstate it, look at the cowboy and 49er teams, all set up by special drafts.

We have a shot at one, PLEASE DON"T MESS IT UP SHANNY!

[NaptownChief]

CB, TE, RB, LB and QB are all deep with early round talent. WR, DT and OL seem to be a bit light. But overall I would agree with Mediator in that it is a pretty deep talent draft. Some real bargains will be had in the 2nd and early 3rd round.

[BroncoInferno]

Looks like the Broncos have been listening to ol' Gonzo again. They know this draft after the top 12 prospects are WEAK FIRST ROUND GRADE TALENT. Posters like SoCalBronco would have you believe that there are 35 players in this draft with first round grade talent. HA! And a DOUBLE HA!

This is one of the weakest first rounds in over five years. 12 solid players at top and bunch of second rounders going in the first round after that.

All HAIL GONZO!!!!

Uh, did you consider the possibility that they moved down because they believe they can still get a 1st round talent @ 37 and pick up an extra pick to boot? Nice try, though.

[Joe_Gibbs]

I love watching the draft on ESPN and if any of you are like me, you are gonna have a fun day. :thumbs:

I'm gonna have to Tivo the draft this year so I can fast forward to our whole 1 pick on the first day. :-[

[brother love]

Didn't the Packers want the 49ers second round pick for Javon Walker?

[ludo21]

I love watching the draft on ESPN and if any of you are like me, you are gonna have a fun day. :thumbs:

I'm gonna have to Tivo the draft this year so I can fast forward to our whole 1 pick on the first day. :-[

but hey....Skins got all those high priced FA's, they gotta be better off, right??

[footstepsfrom#27]

This thread needs to get sticky'd alongside last years freak out over the DWill pick...LOL...

This stuff happens every year so why is anyone suprised? The truth is nobody knows whether this is a good move or a dunce move till we see 1) who we get, and 2) how they perform

The only thing certain about Shanahan's drafts are that nothing is certain.

[GonzoLays]

Uh, did you consider the possibility that they moved down because they believe they can still get a 1st round talent @ 37 and pick up an extra pick to boot? Nice try, though.

There are not 37 guys in this draft with first round talent. A deep draft was like the one two years when we selected DJ Williams at 17 and studs like Stephen Jackson, Will Smith, and Kenechi Udeze all went between 18-25 picks. Every single one of those guys could have went in the top 10 that year because the draft was sooooo deep. If someone drafted DJ will the 9th pick that year nobody would have called him a reach. Now that is deep FIRST ROUD TALENT draft.

If somebody were to grab Gabe Watson or Chad Jackson with the 9th pick this year you would say they have lost their minds.

[BritBronco Maniac]

It's not a bad trade, but I would much rather have waited until draft day.
If Deangelo is there at no.22 I will freak out

[TerrElway]

Broncos eyeing Holmes
<Apr. 19> The Broncos trade of the 22nd pick in the first round to the 49ers shows that Mike Shanahan wants to deal with volume on offense instead of isolating on one top player, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
What this trade does is put them in position to take a wide receiver, possibly Santonio Holmes at No. 15, and take a running back and a pass-catching tight end in the second round.
http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2413928

[ludo21]

Broncos eyeing Holmes
<Apr. 19> The Broncos trade of the 22nd pick in the first round to the 49ers shows that Mike Shanahan wants to deal with volume on offense instead of isolating on one top player, ESPN.com's John Clayton reports.
What this trade does is put them in position to take a wide receiver, possibly Santonio Holmes at No. 15, and take a running back and a pass-catching tight end in the second round.
http://http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2413928


Ha!

I sure hope not, and has Shanny EVER drafted someone everyone thinks he will? Just one?

[Traveler]

I rank Ali as the #2 DE and he is going ahead of Kiwanuka who was a top ten last year and a possible second rounder this year. WR had a bunch a very good Juniors and Williams declare last year making this years class Weak at the top. Wimbley is going to be an OLB unless another team can make him a Robert Mathis. Watson has issues but DT has been devalued in the first for several years now since it takes longer to develop NFL skills there.

Plus, Wright and Orien Harris were projected first rounders last year and may go in the 3rd.


Don't forget Wroten! Even with with his off the field trouble, he's a 1st round talent that be chosen in the early 2nd round.

[Jason in LA]

Cancel the draft party. I guess the value is there. But the excitement of this draft just flew out the window. We were all hoping for a block buster move, or keep both the picks and get two good players. I guess Shanny didn't like what he saw in the early 20's of the first round.

[Hotrod]

Hali
White
Mercedes

There now the secret is out we can all go back to sleep.

[ludo21]

Cancel the draft party. I guess the value is there. But the excitement of this draft just flew out the window. We were all hoping for a block buster move, or keep both the picks and get two good players. I guess Shanny didn't like what he saw in the early 20's of the first round.

Ha!

15 + 37 = #6

Plenty of excitement!

If 7 picks in 4 rounds aint enough to excite you, i dont know what will.

[BroncoInferno]

There are not 37 guys in this draft with first round talent. A deep draft was like the one two years when we selected DJ Williams at 17 and studs like Stephen Jackson, Will Smith, and Kenechi Udeze all went between 18-25 picks. Every single one of those guys could have went in the top 10 that year because the draft was sooooo deep. If someone drafted DJ will the 9th pick that year nobody would have called him a reach. Now that is deep FIRST ROUD TALENT draft.

If somebody were to grab Gabe Watson or Chad Jackson with the 9th pick this year you would say they have lost their minds.

You are confusing thinness at certain positons with a thin draft overall. RB, TE, OL, DE, S are all VERY deep and you will see guys like Kiwi and Maroney possibly last into the 2nd round when they would be slam dunk 1st rounders in most any other draft.

[freak6]

I think the Niners might be looking to move up again and go after Reggie Bush after if he falls to #2.

Smith played with Bush in HS.

So did I, heh heh heeeh

[Taco John]

Well that was anti-climatic.... Draft day isn't going to be nearly as exciting as the hype up to this point.

[Mediator12]

There are not 37 guys in this draft with first round talent. A deep draft was like the one two years when we selected DJ Williams at 17 and studs like Stephen Jackson, Will Smith, and Kenechi Udeze all went between 18-25 picks. Every single one of those guys could have went in the top 10 that year because the draft was sooooo deep. If someone drafted DJ will the 9th pick that year nobody would have called him a reach. Now that is deep FIRST ROUD TALENT draft.

If somebody were to grab Gabe Watson or Chad Jackson with the 9th pick this year you would say they have lost their minds.

Stephen Jackson would be RB number 4 or five in this draft, will smith and Udeze both climbed up charts because that was a horrible DE depth draft. DJ williams was the first OLB taken in that draft and there will be three guys selected above him this year too.

[BroncoInferno]

Well that was anti-climatic.... Draft day isn't going to be nearly as exciting as the hype up to this point.

Why? 4 of the top 68 picks sounds pretty damn exciting to me.

[yerner]

15, 37, 61, 68, 93,119, 126, 130, 161,198

Wow, thats alot of dudes to add to the mix.

[Garcia Bronco]

15, 37, 61, 68, 93,119, 126, 130, 161,198

Wow, thats alot of dudes to add to the mix.


We have the room for it too.

[cutthemdown]

People just take a deep breath, exhale and relax. Broncos found 2 possibly 3 or 4 good players in last yrs draft. I think we are turning it around as far as blowing drafts go. I think we will get some more good players this yr which is all you can hope for.

[yerner]

theres no way we draft ten guys is there?

[Requiem]

theres no way we draft ten guys is there?

Why not? I can think of 5-10 guys who we could upgrade or replace on this roster.

[Taco John]

Why? 4 of the top 68 picks sounds pretty damn exciting to me.



Eh... I guess.

I was looking forward to a trade up or two first round picks.

I have a suspicion that we're going to end up with Brodie Croyle in the second.

[Requiem]

Nah, nah. It's going to be a tight end and a defensive player. Just you wait!

[ludo21]

Eh... I guess.

I was looking forward to a trade up or two first round picks.

I have a suspicion that we're going to end up with Brodie Croyle in the second.

We are still in a postition to move up.:thumbs:

[yerner]

Why not? I can think of 5-10 guys who we could upgrade or replace on this roster.

Yeah, i guess. they're probably cheaper too. just kind amazing? what do you think the most about of picks by one team ever is? Also, it does make me feel that we are way more flexible now then before.

[yerner]

and we take a flier on Marcus " thats not a gun its a phone" Vick

[SouthStndJunkie]

15 = 1050

37= 530

That is equal to 1580 points, or the between the 6th and 7th overall picks. 6th = 1600 7th = 1500.

That might actually put us in Vernon Davis range and could be the reason the deal was done. Maybe we work a deal with GB for #5.

Vernon Davis is not out the picture yet. 22 was too high of a pick to give up to move up, 61 was probably too low, but 37 might be just right.

[Requiem]

I don't think we're moving back up again.

[SimonFletcher73]

15 - Hali
37 - Addai
61 - Wroten
68 - Hagan

[NaptownChief]

I bet Vernon Davis ends up with the Niners...They are going to want to give Smith a weapon to try and validate spending a #1 overall on him.

[ludo21]

I bet Vernon Davis ends up with the Niners...They are going to want to give Smith a weapon to try and validate spending a #1 overall on him.


Nolan seems smarter than that imo. He seems like a guy that knows that building the lines up first, then getting skill players is the way to go. We might just be able to convince him to take more picks for more dpeth over VD.

[freak6]

I bet Vernon Davis ends up with the Niners...They are going to want to give Smith a weapon to try and validate spending a #1 overall on him.

I think they got thier eyes on Bush.

[orangefan]

East coast sports news says there are rumblings of Denver sending our newly acquired 2nd round pick to Green Bay for Javon Walker.Apparently our own 2nd did not offer enough value.
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html

[orangefan]

Personally I will take Walker plus a 3rd over any of the recievers projected at 22.

[BroncoSoja]

I just think this was one of the most retarded draft moves of all time... We move up only to move back down??????????


Look we are not the 49ers, Jets or NO who needs lots of picks and players to stock pile talent to get to the Playoffs, we are already there.... We are 1 or 2 impact players away from reaching the SB and we were in perfect position to get 1 or 2 of them with 2 early first round picks that we could have packaged to move up..And now we do this....

Honestly I have no clue whats up with this move, perhaps we are trying to get Walker from GB and will use one of these picks... Or perhaps we are just trying to make bone head decisions...

[Requiem]

Yeah, i guess. they're probably cheaper too. just kind amazing? what do you think the most about of picks by one team ever is? Also, it does make me feel that we are way more flexible now then before.

I'm not sure what's the most a team has ever had as of recent. That's something I really don't pay attention to. We might not even be in the best position in this draft, but possibly.

Minnesota has #17, #48, #51, #85 and #95 on the first day.

Denver has #15, #37, #61 and #68. I'm too lazy to work out the value, and I'm not certain how many fourth-rounders they have, but Denver and Minnesota are definitely in position to be the big winners of this year's draft. I don't see Denver trading up anymore, but if Leinart, Young or Cutler fall -- I think Minnesota is in position to trade up. So who knows.

New England as well, I believe they have their first, a second and two third-round picks.

But enough of that, the only team I'm worried about and care for are the Broncos and what they're going to do with four first day selections, early ones at that. You have to feel good when you own seven out of the first 130 picks there are, but your belly also churns because the only sure bet -- the only thing you know on draft day is that Denver is unpredictable.

[Darkhawk24]

East coast sports news says there are rumblings of Denver sending our newly acquired 2nd round pick to Green Bay for Javon Walker.Apparently our own 2nd did not offer enough value.
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html


The best thing about getting Walker is the end of Jackson and Holmes talk at #15! Plus I think Walker will get past this injury and be a pretty dang WR in Denver if we got him.

I'd love to trade the lesser 2nd but could live with it.

[NaptownChief]

Nolan seems smarter than that imo. He seems like a guy that knows that building the lines up first, then getting skill players is the way to go. We might just be able to convince him to take more picks for more dpeth over VD.


Building the line would be wise but you don't want to force a high pick just out of desparate need. VD, Alex Smith and a really bad line in a couple years is a better combination than Alex Smith, no VD and the next Trezelle Jenkins.

D'Brick will probably be gone. Winston Justice might be worthy of their pick but after than I wouldn't touch any other O lineman until the 2nd round with the possible exception of Eric Winston. Taking VD with the 6th and a guy like Eric Winston with the 22nd could make some sense...Possibly trading down when the time comes to get a guy like Eric Winston near the end of the 1st round and picking up some picks along the way is possible.

It is a fun time of year.

[BroncoInferno]

Eh... I guess.

I was looking forward to a trade up or two first round picks.

I just don't see that much seperation between the guys who are likely to be available @ 22 and the guys who are likely to be available @ 37. So, we will get a similarly valued player (in theory, at least), plus player at the top of the 3rd in a deep draft. And don't rule out a trade up. Now we could package a pick to move up for Bunkley or Huff and still have two other picks, whereas a trade up before this move would have left us with only one other pick. This may wind up bbeing posturing for such a move. Who knows? Still a lot of exciting possibilities, unless glitzy moves like moving up for Vernon Davis are the only possibilities that excite you.

I have a suspicion that we're going to end up with Brodie Croyle in the second.

Maybe at the top of the 3rd. He's got some intriguing ability if he can put on weight, but any sooner than pick 68 is too soon for a QB that skinny.

[footstepsfrom#27]

This trade looks differently depending on what you think the team wanted. If you think they wanted Davis more than anything else, it's questionable. If you think they wanted C. Jackson, it doesn't look to bad. I think the logic might go like this...

1) Shanny wants C. Jackson to replace Lelie at 15 but knows he's not worth the 15th pick so he hopes he'll last to 22.

2) He gets wind that somebody else will take Jackson before 22.

3) Shanny knows he sucks at picking WR's in the 1st round anyway so tries to get Walker from GB but the asking price is to high and SF has agreed to give up the 37th pick for Walker but then later renegs on the deal.

4) Shanny asks SF if they'd still take the 37th pick for Walker if he can swing a trade and they say yes.

5) Shanny figures trading #22 for what amounts to Walker (since #37 will go to the 9ers for him) and picking up a #3 in the deal beats gambling at 22 that he's suddenly figured out how to draft WR's in the first round by picking CJ.

So instead of CJ at 15 (a reach) or gambling he lasts till 22 (still maybe a reach) he decides to dump the #22 for a proven comodity and he knows the 9ers will take this deal, plus he picks up a #3 in the process...and he still has the #15 pick.

See what I mean?

[The Big E]

The best thing about getting Walker is the end of Jackson and Holmes talk at #15! Plus I think Walker will get past this injury and be a pretty dang WR in Denver if we got him.

I'd love to trade the lesser 2nd but could live with it.
I'll be disappointed if we end up with one first round pick and use it on Holmes or Jackson. I think we can get a WR of comparable value with a later pick, although I too would prefer to get Javon.

[BroncoInferno]

East coast sports news says there are rumblings of Denver sending our newly acquired 2nd round pick to Green Bay for Javon Walker.Apparently our own 2nd did not offer enough value.
http://www.eastcoastsportsnews.com/2006Draft.html

Sounds good to me. I'd rather spend a 2 on Walker than a 1 on Jackson or Holmes.

[-Slap-]

Stephen Jackson would be RB number 4 or five in this draft, will smith and Udeze both climbed up charts because that was a horrible DE depth draft. DJ williams was the first OLB taken in that draft and there will be three guys selected above him this year too.
I think Jackson would be in the mix with White, Williams and Maroney.

[Requiem]

The best thing about getting Walker is the end of Jackson and Holmes talk at #15! Plus I think Walker will get past this injury and be a pretty dang WR in Denver if we got him.
Actually no it doesn't. Smith will retire (eventually, probably in a year or two) and Lelie is gone. Even if we get Walker, who do we have behind him? He's going to be 28 this year, and Ashley will only be twenty-six years old going into this season. Getting him isn't that huge of an upgrade in my eyes, especially with a bum leg. Sure, it'd be nice to get him -- but for a second with his leg and issues, (although I still think he's a good kid) would be too much. #68 may even be too much for him, but we'll see.

Anyways, we'd need a receiver to team up with Walker in the future if he were to even come here. David Terrell isn't that guy, Darius Watts probably isn't that guy. Charlie Adams isn't that guy. Devoe and whoever the hell else back there probably isn't either.

We still need a receiver in this draft, it's just a question on who and were we want to pick one.

[Rohirrim]

Actually no it doesn't. Smith will retire (eventually, probably in a year or two) and Lelie is gone. Even if we get Walker, who do we have behind him? He's going to be 28 this year, and Ashley will only be twenty-six years old going into this season. Getting him isn't that huge of an upgrade in my eyes, especially with a bum leg. Sure, it'd be nice to get him -- but for a second with his leg and issues, (although I still think he's a good kid) would be too much. #68 may even be too much for him, but we'll see.

Anyways, we'd need a receiver to team up with Walker in the future if he were to even come here. David Terrell isn't that guy, Darius Watts probably isn't that guy. Charlie Adams isn't that guy. Devoe and whoever the hell else back there probably isn't either.

We still need a receiver in this draft, it's just a question on who and were we want to pick one.

Well, the college WR with the best stats of them all will probably still be sitting there at #68.

[Requiem]

Yes, I believe Hagan will still be there. I wouldn't mind him at that selection at all. If that is to whom you speak of, which I'm almost sure it is.

I'm surprised we haven't brough him in yet. Holmes, Jackson, Stovall, Sinorice, Avant and Lee have supposedly came or are, I wonder why not Derek. Then again, that means nothing. We're usually pretty ambigious when it comes to prospects. You can probably bank on us taking a guy that had no clue we liked him.

[maven]

We are still in a postition to move up.:thumbs:

In position? Well yes every team is in position to move up. With two first round picks. You can REALLY move up. This trade is a bore. If you're going to make this trade do it on draft day.

[Rohirrim]

Yes, I believe Hagan will still be there. I wouldn't mind him at that selection at all. If that is to whom you speak of, which I'm almost sure it is.

I'm surprised we haven't brough him in yet. Holmes, Jackson, Stovall, Sinorice, Avant and Lee have supposedly came or are, I wonder why not Derek. Then again, that means nothing. We're usually pretty ambigious when it comes to prospects. You can probably bank on us taking a guy that had no clue we liked him.

No. Mike Hass. :approve:

[TheManeMan]

Well, the college WR with the best stats of them all will probably still be sitting there at #68.

Who is that Roh?

[ludo21]

Who is that Roh?


Haas.

Man i want him! Or Hagan, both those guys will be better pros than any first round WR.

[ro_50]

I would not mind the second round pick going to GB for Walker, Denver needs a proven WR to take the pressure off of Rod Smith.

I dont feel confident of a rookie in this draft class coming in and expecting to contribute to Denver's offense, which is complicated for WRs to pick up.

[elsid13]

I think I really like what Denver front offices is doing. With the depth of talent at certain position this put in good position to get some impact players for the future.

[brother love]

What if we got the extra second rounder to trade for Walker and the extra third to trade to the dolphins for Ricky Williams pending his suspension being overturned. Then we would get the two of them for esentially the #22 pick!

Excellent!!!

[Rohirrim]

Who is that Roh?

Mike Hass, Oregon State, 6'1", 208
Belitnikof Award Winner, 2006

Strengths
Mike has good size and speed for his position. He has excellent hands and will catch anything thrown his way. He runs the most precise routes I’ve seen run by a WR coming out of college in a long time. In fact, he runs better routes than most of the WR’s in the NFL now. He’s smart and helps out his QB when he’s in trouble. He can read defenses on the fly and is not intimidated at the line of scrimmage. Mike is going to be a top #1 WR at the next level because of his quickness in and out of breaks, his Velcro-like hands, his intelligence and his heart. He has the heart of a warrior.



Needs to Improve
At this point, Mike lacks the blazing speed to impress the scouts and pull himself into the 1st round. As Julia Roberts said in the movie Pretty Woman, “Big mistake. Big mistake – huge.” He is, and will be, a money player. The lack of pure blazing speed will have nothing to do with it. He does need to add a little more bulk, but that shouldn’t be a problem.



Bottom Line
When I watch Mike on film, what jumps out at me is his quickness, his hands and his desire for the ball in all the big situations. He really wants to be one of the best WR’s in the game. He reminds me a lot of Hines Ward -- only quicker. He needs about 15 lbs of muscle and I believe that won’t be a problem for him at all. He is so quick in and out of his breaks that you can’t cover the kid with a fishing net. Mike catches the ball with his hands, turns and powers himself for extra yardage. You had better be a good tackling CB or he will knock your jock strap right up to your nose. Mike doesn’t have blazing speed, but because he runs his routes so well and uses good techniques, he can get deep on anybody. He knows how to set up a corner for the big play and this alone makes him a very dangerous WR. I don’t know where Mike will be picked in this draft, but I feel that he has first round talent and will help the team that drafts him the minute he steps onto the field. For the record, Hines Ward, Ed McCaffrey, Terrell Owens, Antonio Freeman all got picked in the third round because they didn’t have blazing speed. My point is, blazing speed is not necessary to be an impact WR in the NFL. Mike has what these players have -- heart and the need to be the best. (huddle report)

At the combine, he was .3 slower than CJ, Holmes, Moss, etc.

[PortisFanForever]

So Disappointed!

I was so excited to be getting 2 bluechip guys at #15 and #22 and now its gone.. So long are the hopes of getting a stud back like DeAngelo Williams.. It looks like boring RB pickup late in the draft like an Ahmad Galloway bust

I pray we at least make the 15th pick worthwhile and DO NOT waste it on either of those 2 OVERATED WRs..

Anyone but those 2 guys will do

Bring on draft day soon before we give up the #15 pick for a slew of 5th round picks or something..

Just venting

[Requiem]

I totally forgot about Haas, but I guess that's because I'm not totally enamored on him. Yeah, he'll be there. A decent pick.

[Darkhawk24]

The Walker trade makes sense. Denver has been rumored to have interest. We have a need for WR. Trading the #22 gives us the pick to acquire Walker plus another first day pick.

Makes too much sense. That means it probably isn't likely!

[Requiem]

PortisFan, no way in hell do you get two blue-chip guys at #15 and #22. Probably not even at #15. Wtf.

[elsid13]

The Walker trade makes sense. Denver has been rumored to have interest. We have a need for WR. Trading the #22 gives us the pick to acquire Walker plus another first day pick.

Makes too much sense. That means it probably isn't likely!

Which means Denver is going after Joe Harrington and Charles Rodgers...

[TheManeMan]

oh ok...

Haas or Hagan in round 2 or 3 sounds a whole lot better than CJ at 15...

Hagan might be a suitable replacement for Rod down the road...Haas same thing...

[elsid13]

What I don't get is that Wabbit stated that Denver wasn't going to hold onto all it picks before this happen, and we added to the mix since he posted that. This real gives strength to the theory we're going to flip the picks for existing players

[Finger Roll]

yeah PortisFanForever i feel your pain. 3rd rounds picks are a 80% failure rate and I'd much rather have the 22nd pick then the 37th. we moved back 15 spots for a pick that's an 80% chance of sucking??? I don't know what the hard on is for trading down. I hate it with a passion.

[The Big E]

Haas.

Man i want him! Or Hagan, both those guys will be better pros than any first round WR.
I agree, and that's why I'll be disappointed if we draft a WR w/ our #15. I'd prefer Hagan, but I'm an ASU homer. I really liked what I saw of Hass. He freakin' seems to catch everything, and really goes after the ball.

Boldin dropped a few years ago after having the dropsies at the combine and other post-season games/workouts, and he dropped like Hagan has. I think Hagan will turn out to be a solid pro.

[Taco John]

Who knows? Still a lot of exciting possibilities, unless glitzy moves like moving up for Vernon Davis are the only possibilities that excite you.


When you have two first rounders, I don't think it's irrational for fans to dream of a little glitz. Certainly, the possibility of moving up for a replacement for Sharpe who looks like the real deal sounded exciting to me. And while I know that there's value to be found in the later rounds, I also know that there are more guys that you put a lot of time and effort into, never materializing their potential.

It could turn out to be our greatest draft ever... Who knows? It's just a little anticlimatic. Sometimes doing the conservative thing is better than doing the aggressive thing. I guess we'll find out in due time.

[elsid13]

It could turn out to be our greatest draft ever... Who knows? It's just a little anticlimatic. Sometimes doing the conservative thing is better than doing the aggressive thing. I guess we'll find out in due time.


I don't know about that, fortune always seems to favor the bold. I think that there is something brewing in the wings......

[RaiderH8r]

I don't know about that, fortune always seems to favor the bold.
Quoted for truth

[GonzoLays]

Stephen Jackson would be RB number 4 or five in this draft, will smith and Udeze both climbed up charts because that was a horrible DE depth draft. DJ williams was the first OLB taken in that draft and there will be three guys selected above him this year too.

Are you kidding me? He was 6'2" 235 pounds and ran a 4.45 in 40 when he entered the draft in 2004. You are telling me that he would be the 4th best running back in this draft? That is absurd. He rushed for 1500 yards and had 500 yards receiving out of the backfield his senior season! NFL.com called him a franchise back. And you are trying to say 5'9" 215 pound DeAngelo Williams or fat ass Lendale White is better than this guy? You have lost your mind.

[RaiderH8r]

When you have two first rounders, I don't think it's irrational for fans to dream of a little glitz. Certainly, the possibility of moving up for a replacement for Sharpe who looks like the real deal sounded exciting to me. And while I know that there's value to be found in the later rounds, I also know that there are more guys that you put a lot of time and effort into, never materializing their potential.

It could turn out to be our greatest draft ever... Who knows? It's just a little anticlimatic. Sometimes doing the conservative thing is better than doing the aggressive thing. I guess we'll find out in due time.
We're on the hump, it's time to get over it. Two first rounders held promise of getting that hump-buster. In my mind that's Mario Williams or VD for us. Plug n' Play guys. For once draft impact instead of potential that, like you say, doesn't usually materialize. We're still ten days out and the FO may be able to get this turd off the rug before its all said and done. However, given past draft experience, I see this as another one where I spend a weekend pulling my hair and saying, "What the fvck?!"

[Popps]

I just can't believe anyone would want to draft a WR 1st after our recent experiences. The last guy we drafted was sub-par, and is now trying to stick a gun in our ribs to trade him. The guy before him went on to flourish... in the Arena League.

Add in the fact that this is a weak WR class, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Let's take Bunkley/Ngata/Wimbley first, Mangold second and try a RB/WR combo with the next two.

[Popps]

When you have two first rounders, I don't think it's irrational for fans to dream of a little glitz. Certainly, the possibility of moving up for a replacement for Sharpe who looks like the real deal sounded exciting to me. And while I know that there's value to be found in the later rounds, I also know that there are more guys that you put a lot of time and effort into, never materializing their potential.

It could turn out to be our greatest draft ever... Who knows? It's just a little anticlimatic. Sometimes doing the conservative thing is better than doing the aggressive thing. I guess we'll find out in due time.

It's not our style, but the time was right for an aggressive move. I thought we were on our way, accruing two first rounders like we did. Maybe we just couldn't find any takers?

I don't know, we've suffered in drafts in the past because we refused to get a little aggressive. Hopefully this won't end up the same.

The only upside, from my standpoint... is that we'll possibly be in a logical spot to take Mangold, and the extra picks in a deep draft should increase our likelihood of hitting a couple.

Still would have loved to package the whole draft for Williams. Oh well. Same old same old.

[27atwater]

i love this move.


btw shanny loves sinorice and sinorice loves shanny.

he'll be our #37.

[Taco John]

I'll puke if we draft Sinusrice. I'm with Popps on this one. I don't want a first round WR.

[elsid13]

i love this move.


btw shanny loves sinorice and sinorice loves shanny.

he'll be our #37.

And you have this knowledge how??? Moss is a slot WR at best, and not worth a 1st or 2nd round draft choice.

[Ray Finkle]

I'll puke if we draft Sinusrice. I'm with Popps on this one. I don't want a first round WR.


Me three....

I would like
1-DW2
2A-Pope
2B-Stovall
3-best available DE/DT/S

[Broncoman13]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)

I know and understand that this leaves the TE position open. I'm expecting big things from Wesley Duke and probably a FA acq.

Lutui isn't your typical Bronco Lineman, but with so many 3-4's in the league now I think Denver will consider a bigger OG to match up with the bigger DLine's a 3-4 has.

The RB will come down to Addai with our first 2nd round pick, Norwood, or Hall. We've shown interest in all three of those guys. If Lendale somehow falls to 37 he'll easily be the pick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the pick in the 1st, but since I already know how the draft is gonna go... HE'S NOT! Kiwi falling to 37 is both realistic and great for us!

Jimmy Williams as a Safety is an impact player. There isn't a lot that separates him from Huff... other than his mouth!

[Willynowei]

I just can't believe anyone would want to draft a WR 1st after our recent experiences. The last guy we drafted was sub-par, and is now trying to stick a gun in our ribs to trade him. The guy before him went on to flourish... in the Arena League.

Add in the fact that this is a weak WR class, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

Let's take Bunkley/Ngata/Wimbley first, Mangold second and try a RB/WR combo with the next two.

You tell 'em Popps.

[Ray Finkle]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)

I know and understand that this leaves the TE position open. I'm expecting big things from Wesley Duke and probably a FA acq.

Lutui isn't your typical Bronco Lineman, but with so many 3-4's in the league now I think Denver will consider a bigger OG to match up with the bigger DLine's a 3-4 has.

The RB will come down to Addai with our first 2nd round pick, Norwood, or Hall. We've shown interest in all three of those guys. If Lendale somehow falls to 37 he'll easily be the pick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the pick in the 1st, but since I already know how the draft is gonna go... HE'S NOT! Kiwi falling to 37 is both realistic and great for us!

Jimmy Williams as a Safety is an impact player. There isn't a lot that separates him from Huff... other than his mouth!


I would vomit on that draft....Williams has already stated he will not play safety....he says it doesn't pay well enough.

[elsid13]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)

I know and understand that this leaves the TE position open. I'm expecting big things from Wesley Duke and probably a FA acq.

Lutui isn't your typical Bronco Lineman, but with so many 3-4's in the league now I think Denver will consider a bigger OG to match up with the bigger DLine's a 3-4 has.

The RB will come down to Addai with our first 2nd round pick, Norwood, or Hall. We've shown interest in all three of those guys. If Lendale somehow falls to 37 he'll easily be the pick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the pick in the 1st, but since I already know how the draft is gonna go... HE'S NOT! Kiwi falling to 37 is both realistic and great for us!

Jimmy Williams as a Safety is an impact player. There isn't a lot that separates him from Huff... other than his mouth!

You really shouldn't start drinking so early in the day you going to end up talking about your cats. ;D

[Hotrod]

Well lets take a look at this for a second concerning a 1st round WR. I have proof we wont take a WR in the 1st round. Shanny & Company have had several in for a personal workout correct? That certainly does not tell me what were doing in round #1 except that it wont be WR.

[elsid13]

Well lets take a look at this for a second concerning a 1st round WR. I have proof we wont take a WR in the 1st round. Shanny & Company have had several in for a personal workout correct? That certainly does not tell me what were doing in round #1 except that it wont be WR.

And Spider said you weren't the sharpest crayon in the box.....

[Clockwork Orange]

Stovall at 37 will do just fine.

[Broncoman13]

I would vomit on that draft....Williams has already stated he will not play safety....he says it doesn't pay well enough.

And if he's good enough to play CB then so be it. Jason Allen could be the pick at 15 as well. He's climbing up the draft charts in a hurry. Personally, the way we lose CB's late in the season... I'd like somebody that can pull double duty. It's better than seeing Shoate on the field!

[Broncoman13]

You really shouldn't start drinking so early in the day you going to end up talking about your cats. ;D


Says the guy that is upset about adding talent in the deepest portion of this draft!

[Ray Finkle]

And if he's good enough to play CB then so be it. Jason Allen could be the pick at 15 as well. He's climbing up the draft charts in a hurry. Personally, the way we lose CB's late in the season... I'd like somebody that can pull double duty. It's better than seeing Shoate on the field!


Jason Allen = Paul Tovessi....

[elsid13]

Says the guy that is upset about adding talent in the deepest portion of this draft!

Wrong guy, I like the move. But I think that like Wabbit posted that we aren't going to use all the picks.

[Hotrod]

And Spider said you weren't the sharpest crayon in the box.....

Spider uses only pastel crayons what does he know anyway. ;D

[Broncoman13]

Jason Allen = Paul Tovessi....

That's possible which is why I wouldn't like him in the first round. At 37 though, he would be alright. I'd still take Ko Simpson in the 2nd as the best value.

The problem is, at 15 the best talent on the board is going to be OT and RB. I don't see us going with either. History says no RB's. Depth charts say no OT's. Bunkley and Ngata aren't going to fall... Safety is a need position. I don't like it, but that's how it's going to shake down.

I'll hold out hope that we can still trade up. Perhaps the Broncos looked at the value of sending 22 and 15 to move up and decided it was too great. Perhaps we can still part with 15 and Ash for #6. I'd do it, but I doubt it will happen.

[RaiderH8r]

Spider uses only pastel crayons what does he know anyway. ;D
And he "Hauls Ass"....I think he picked up a case of the gay.

[Ray Finkle]

That's possible which is why I wouldn't like him in the first round. At 37 though, he would be alright. I'd still take Ko Simpson in the 2nd as the best value.

The problem is, at 15 the best talent on the board is going to be OT and RB. I don't see us going with either. History says no RB's. Depth charts say no OT's. Bunkley and Ngata aren't going to fall... Safety is a need position. I don't like it, but that's how it's going to shake down.

I'll hold out hope that we can still trade up. Perhaps the Broncos looked at the value of sending 22 and 15 to move up and decided it was too great. Perhaps we can still part with 15 and Ash for #6. I'd do it, but I doubt it will happen.


Let me get this correct....Everyone grills Denver for taking PT in the second but you are okay with taking Allen there? Take DW2 then Pope....

[RaiderH8r]

I'll puke if we draft Sinusrice. I'm with Popps on this one. I don't want a first round WR.
Agreed. Give our history we should avoid first round WRs like rape.

[TDmvp]

sigh

[Finger Roll]

sad thing is when I saw this thread title I thought we picked got the 6th pick in exchange for 15 and 22, lol. talk about tease

[Old Dude]

Frustrating thing seems to be that the pool really drops after the first 11 or 12 players, and we're at #15 where most of the value is at positions we don't really need at the moment. I think we'll trade it. Could be up and could be down, but the slot doesn't seem to match up very well.

[WaffleBoy]

So no LenDale White?

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Broncoman13]

Let me get this correct....Everyone grills Denver for taking PT in the second but you are okay with taking Allen there? Take DW2 then Pope....


PT was a sorry excuse for a player. His college career wasn't thrilling and his measureables weren't thrilling. Jason Allen in the 2nd round is good value. I don't think you'd find too many people that would disagree with that...excluding yourself. 6'1 and 210 lbs. Runs a sub 4.4 and is equally effective against the run and pass. His injury history is the only thing preventing him from being a sure thing in the top 15.

[OrangeShadow]

Id rather they trade up to get V. Davis,that being said its a good move seeing how deep this draft is

[Hotrod]

So no LenDale White?

The Boy Wonder :super:

I think hes still ours but we trade down from 15 and pick him up mid 20's

[Broncoman13]

Frustrating thing seems to be that the pool really drops after the first 11 or 12 players, and we're at #15 where most of the value is at positions we don't really need at the moment. I think we'll trade it. Could be up and could be down, but the slot doesn't seem to match up very well.


Exactly! The best thing that could happen to us is for Ngata or Justice to slide to 15. If that happens we probably trade back 10 or so slots and end up with another 2nd. I have my doubts about either of them falling though. I'm sure there will be a suprise or two, but I think the top 15 is pretty much set in stone. The big problem is Chad Jackson is right there at 15. I hope it doesn't happen, but I have a bad feeling that he might be the pick. Hope and pray that Philly saves the day and drafts him first!

[WaffleBoy]

I think hes still ours but we trade down from 15 and pick him up mid 20's

You want LenDale White? Trade with us and we'll take Jackson at 15. Ha!

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Elway777]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)

I know and understand that this leaves the TE position open. I'm expecting big things from Wesley Duke and probably a FA acq.

Lutui isn't. your typical Bronco Lineman, but with so many 3-4's in the league now I think Denver will consider a bigger OG to match up with the bigger DLine's a 3-4 has.

The RB will come down to Addai with our first 2nd round pick, Norwood, or Hall. We've shown interest in all three of those guys. If Lendale somehow falls to 37 he'll easily be the pick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the pick in the 1st, but since I already know how the draft is gonna go... HE'S NOT! Kiwi falling to 37 is both realistic and great for us!

Jimmy Williams as a Safety is an impact player. There isn't a lot that separates him from Huff... other than his mouth! That would be a real solid Draft. Williams , not a player of need but a good player. Kiwi ,Has alot of potntial and hard worker. Walker would be a great receiver for Broncos if heathy

[Hotrod]

You want LenDale White? Trade with us and we'll take Jackson at 15. Ha!

The Boy Wonder :super:

Where the heck does pitt pick? We would be glad to swap with you and take your second to boot ;D

[Hotrod]

Just to back up the whole "White thing" I dont want him in the 1st round but fear we will take him at 15 which would be a disaster.

[WaffleBoy]

Where the heck does pitt pick? We would be glad to swap with you and take your second to boot ;D

Last (32), and we don't want Sinorice Moss or whatever his name is in the 1st round.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[wabbit]

This is a truly great move... the Broncos biggest needs are the interior line (on both sides of the ball), and this gives them 7 picks in the first 4 rounds to fill those needs.

They're going to be able to take risks in this draft they might not otherwise be able to take. They're going to be able to fill needs with real talent.

I think this draft has the chance to be a draft on which a team that is REALLY good for a long period of time can be built.


Really good post &, I'm almost certain, precisely what the Broncos are thinking.

I still believe there is some manuevering to come over the next week & a half, but Denver was determined to find a third rounder and now they have one..at nearly a second round value.

I'd heard the Broncos were making a run at Harrington, but he let out a yelp at the prospect of coming to Denver, so I guess chances are that he will end up in Miami...although, and this is important, Denver is still working on some kind of deal for Harrington as we speak.

Look, Denver needs depth. With the selections they now have they have a great chance at gaining precisely that WITHOUT the 1st round expectations.

With 2 2nds, a 3rd & 3 4th round choices, the Broncos can go to work on building some solid depth and future at the O-Line, nab a WR, RB, D-line depth...you name.

It's a great move today and I hope to hell they stay put...but I seriously doubt it.

[WaffleBoy]

Maybe the Broncos are going qb in the 2nd or 3rd round, Brodie Croyle?

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Popps]

I'll puke if we draft Sinusrice. I'm with Popps on this one. I don't want a first round WR.

That's a double-puke... not just a WR, but a guy who isn't tall enough to ride most of the rides at magic mountain. Could we possibly pick a guy less suited for our system?

[elsid13]

Maybe the Broncos are going qb in the 2nd or 3rd round, Brodie Croyle?

The Boy Wonder :super:


Don't you have to wash your Big Ben statue. The extra picks are aimed at TE (Lewis) and Safety (Bing, Bullock, ECT)

[elsid13]

That's a double-puke... not just a WR, but a guy who isn't tall enough to ride most of the rides at magic mountain. Could we possibly pick a guy less suited for our system?


Well on the bright side Gold and Darrent will have someone to look down on....

[Popps]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)

I know and understand that this leaves the TE position open. I'm expecting big things from Wesley Duke and probably a FA acq.

Lutui isn't your typical Bronco Lineman, but with so many 3-4's in the league now I think Denver will consider a bigger OG to match up with the bigger DLine's a 3-4 has.

The RB will come down to Addai with our first 2nd round pick, Norwood, or Hall. We've shown interest in all three of those guys. If Lendale somehow falls to 37 he'll easily be the pick. I wouldn't be suprised if he was the pick in the 1st, but since I already know how the draft is gonna go... HE'S NOT! Kiwi falling to 37 is both realistic and great for us!

Jimmy Williams as a Safety is an impact player. There isn't a lot that separates him from Huff... other than his mouth!

Kiwi 2nd and Javon freaking Walker for our 3rd rounder? I think my eyes would well up.

[WaffleBoy]

That's a double-puke... not just a WR, but a guy who isn't tall enough to ride most of the rides at magic mountain. Could we possibly pick a guy less suited for our system?

Man, Popps, you should hear what they are saying about Sinorice on the Steelers site. Everyone is against selecting the midget in the 1st round. Ha!

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Atlas]

Although it's unlikely to trade down from #15, if the guy(s) we are looking at aren't there, another trade down would be nice. Atleast this time, you're looking at more than a second and a third-round choice. You could be looking at a second and a third this year, along with a future fourth. Something ala the Redskins trade last year.

.
If the Broncos don't want a WR then they could very likely trade down from 15.

[Master___Pain]

Don't you have to wash your Big Ben statue. The extra picks are aimed at TE (Lewis) and Safety (Bing, Bullock, ECT)

I'd be very,very surprised if the Broncos drafted Bing. Definition of overrated.

[Hotrod]

I'd be very,very surprised if the Broncos drafted Bing. Definition of overrated.

Id be ok with it in the 3rd

[WaffleBoy]

Will Lawson be around in the 2nd round when the Broncos select?

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Atlas]

That's a double-puke... not just a WR, but a guy who isn't tall enough to ride most of the rides at magic mountain. Could we possibly pick a guy less suited for our system?

You mean tall like Steve Smith?

[Master___Pain]

Id be ok with it in the 3rd

Post #3 (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=39641&highlight=Bing)

They think he's very stiff

[elsid13]

I'd be very,very surprised if the Broncos drafted Bing. Definition of overrated.


I was using him as an example only.

[Master___Pain]

I was using him as an example only.

Gotcha.

[DrFate]

Add in the fact that this is a weak WR class, and you've got a recipe for disaster.

I think our skill players are quite weak on offense, but right now I agree with this statement.

[Broncoman13]

Kiwi 2nd and Javon freaking Walker for our 3rd rounder? I think my eyes would well up.

Kiwi falling to 37 isn't a pipe dream. His stock is falling. Naturally, it only takes one team to like him and that dream is over, but him being available at 37 isn't overly opptimistic.

Javon "freaking" Walker would be OUR 2nd round pick. Pick #61 in exchange for Javon Walker... so no, it wouldn't be for a 3rd. It would be a 2nd but we'd still get good value with Kiwi.

I'm still holding out hope that we can trade for both Ricky Williams and Javon Walker. Then trade that #15 pick down to say 25 or so and draft Marcedes Lewis. That should net us an extra 3rd at least and possibly a 2nd... IF somebody like Justice or Ngata falls.

So you have Ricky Williams, Javon Walker, Marcedes Lewis, and either two 2nds and a 3rd, or a 2nd and two 3rds. Talk about a draft that can go a long way toward filling in for depth AND adding some sick playmakers on offense!

[DrFate]

You's guy's have it all wrong with your draft predictions. I've seen it. Write it down and take it to the bank!!!

1. Jimmy Williams (Safety)
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Gone for Javon (If we don't get Javon pencil in Jonathon Scott or Lutui)
4. Rod Wright (3rd rd)
5. Jerious Norwood (4th rd)
6. Omar Jacobs/Reggie McNeal (4th rd)
7. Jeremy Bloom (4th Comp)


We'd get an F on that draft.

Williams - thug, this year's Pac man
Kiwanuka - bust
Javon - this would be a good move

The rest is irrelevant after throwing away our first 2 picks.

[Broncoman13]

Can't argue with Williams being a thug. He runs his mouth too much and lacks a true position. But again, you're at a spot in the 1st round that is going to end up relying on somebody to drop. If somebody big doesn't drop then you're getting the same exact value at 15 that you would at 25. That sucks!

Jay Cutler may end up being there. I'm not sold on him, but depth at QB is a need. A future QB is also a need... makes a little sense to say the least.

Kiwi in the first round is risky. At 37 it's excellent value. He is the epitomy of a boom or bust player. I personally think he's going to be better than any of the first round DE's from a year ago, but that's just me.

[broncohaven]

Not as sexy as having two first rounders, but with the depth of the draft it was tough not to have a third rounder. Now we have a third, and an extra 2nd. There will be a lot of value at those spots, and probably more so than at #22.

[Atlas]

The day before the draft Broncos will trade 15 to Kubes for 33, 65 and 66.

Giving us 33, 37, 61, 65, 66 and 68
That would be awesome. I would love that!!

[Needa Pass Rush]

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Broncos Get 37th, 68th Picks from 49ers for 22nd Selection

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General Manager Ted Sundquist and the Broncos now have four of the first 68 picks. PHOTO: RICH CLARKSON AND ASSOCIATES

</TD></TR><!--<TR bgColor=#ff6500><TD><CENTER>BRONCOS TV</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#e5e5e5><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px" vAlign=top>/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/broncosTV_sm.jpg (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609)In the spring, a young man's fancy turns to love ... or, for a few hundred prospects, to thoughts of the NFL Draft and dreams of their possible destination. Get to know some of this year's prospects between now and draft day. LB Jon Alston, Stanford (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1171)
RB Reggie Bush, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1153)
OL Rashad Butler, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1155)
TE Dominique Byrd, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1163)
CB Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1166)
TE Charles Davis, Purdue (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=913&videoID=1159)
TE Daniel Fells, UC-Davis (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1161)
OL D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1154)
CB Roman Harper, Alabama (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1172)
CB Kelly Jennings, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1164)
TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1160)
S Charlie Peprah, Alabama (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1167)
DE Frostee Rucker, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1170)
S Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1165)
QB Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1158)
CB Dee Webb, Florida (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1168)
TE T.J. Williams, N.C. State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1162)
QB Vince Young, Texas (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1157)
CB Ashton Youboty, Ohio State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1169)
</TD></TR>--></TBODY></TABLE>By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Broncos' first-round compliment is down to one pick, but their Day 1 class now includes four picks.
Wednesday morning, Denver traded the No. 22 pick in the first round to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for their second- and third-round choices, at the Nos. 37 and 68 slots in the overall order.
The Broncos now have four picks in the first 68 selections, controlling the No. 15 selection and the 37th, 61st and 68th picks. By comparison, the Broncos did not pick until the No. 56 slot last year (Darrent Williams (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4339)) and then made three choices between No. 76 and 101.
"As we look at this draft, it's not that we didn't value the 22nd pick and we didn't see that there would be a player at the 22nd pick that could help us. We truly think there will be," General Manager Ted Sundquist (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=496) said. "What we did see was a tremendous number of players at that range at the second and third rounds that we feel like can come in and help us, so we feel like there's strength in numbers, so to speak."
The 61st is the only one of the Broncos' original first-day picks that they still control. Denver traded its first- and third-round picks to the Falcons in order to obtain the 15th selection; Atlanta subsequently sent that No. 29 pick to the Jets for John Abraham.
It has been six years since Denver had four of the first 70 picks. That year, the Broncos' haul began in the same slot where their first-round pick rests (No. 15), where they picked Deltha O'Neal. Ian Gold (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=718) (No. 40) and Kenoy Kennedy (No. 45) followed int he second round before the team picked wide receiver Chris Cole at the 70th selection.
Last year, the Broncos found Williams and Domonique Foxworth (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4341) in the second and third rounds, respectively. Both played extensively.
"(The second and third rounds) are really good rounds to find quality players, and on a veteran football team like ours coming off a deep playoff run, it's very difficult to find rookie players that can have an immediate starting impact," Sundquist said, "but you can get a number of talented guys in that second or third round that can come in, provide quality depth, back up your veteran team and be ready to go should they be called upon."
If Denver holds on to its second-round picks, it would give them a pair of choices in that round for the fourth time since 1999. What's more, the Broncos have seven picks in the first 130 of this year's draft, thanks to the 2005 trade with the Washington Redskins (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4073) and the NFL's dispensation of a compensatory pick to the Broncos last month.
"Those fours give you a tremendous amount of leverage to move up in the first day," Sundquist said. "That gives you a little bit of wiggle room. If you're sitting down there at 61, and there's somebody at 56, you can say, 'Hey, let's go get him.'"
The deal with the Redskins last April was the opening swap of a series of exchanges that shaped the entire form of the Broncos' 2006 draft plan.
To re-trace:
Last April, the Broncos receive the Redskins' third-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft and their first- and fourth-round selections in the 2006 NFL Draft. The '05 third-rounder (No. 76 overall) became Karl Paymah (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4340).
The 2006 first-rounder became the pick the Broncos traded to San Francisco on Wednesday. The Broncos still have Washington's fourth-round selection, which is the 119th pick overall.
That gives the Broncos Paymah and the 37th, 68th and 119th picks in exchange for last year's first-rounder, giving Denver three more picks in a draft that is widely considered to be deeper in talent than last year's.
"We've taken the 25th first-round pick last year and turned it into four players," Sundquist said.
"It wasn't a case of San Francisco coming to us or anything like that, it was more along the lines of (thinking that) as we got through our evaluations as a staff, looked at our particular needs on the football team and looked at what we thought would be available at 22, and weighed whether this guy could help us versus getting help in multiple areas.
"We felt like this was a good move."
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5512
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[DrFate]

Can't argue with Williams being a thug.

Kiwi in the first round is risky.

I appreciate your honesty. I just see Williams and think Pac Man Jones - another DB who is a headache and will be a distraction.

Kiwi's struggles at the Senior Bowl are my concern with him - he played against top flight competition and didn't do too well.

[Broncoman13]

I have mixed feeling on this, but I'll go ahead and ask you guy's opinion.

Devin Hester in the 3rd round... good pick, bad pick, why?

I think I'm leaning toward yes. Considering what Wabbit said I think we're looking to take a couple chances and hope that it pays off big.

[montrose]

I'm all about Pope or Lewis in round 2.

[Broncoman13]

I appreciate your honesty. I just see Williams and think Pac Man Jones - another DB who is a headache and will be a distraction.

Kiwi's struggles at the Senior Bowl are my concern with him - he played against top flight competition and didn't do too well.



The main reason I think Williams is b/c he's the best player to likely be available at a need position... well, if he plays safety anyhow.

Kiwi was injured most of the season. He struggled against some pretty good OT's as well. Right now, he's more of a one trick pony. Get him some full time coaching and you're looking at a long rangy DE that can CLOSE on the QB. I'd love to have Wimbley or Lawson in lieu of Kiwi, but I think they will go ahead of him which is what drops Kiwi to us. It's not the popular opinion around here, but I'd prefer Kiwi over Hali and I'm a PSU fan.

[bombay]

I'm all about Pope or Lewis in round 2.

Pope in the 2nd and Maurice Drew with the 3rd rounder would be nice. Package Lelie and the other 2nd for Walker. The best pass rusher available at 15?

[Jerry Curl]

Pick up Bouknight in the fourth.

[Tombstone RJ]

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Broncos Get 37th, 68th Picks from 49ers for 22nd Selection

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General Manager Ted Sundquist and the Broncos now have four of the first 68 picks. PHOTO: RICH CLARKSON AND ASSOCIATES

</TD></TR><!--<TR bgColor=#ff6500><TD><CENTER>BRONCOS TV</CENTER></TD></TR><TR bgColor=#e5e5e5><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 10px" vAlign=top>/resources/custom/Images/Top%20Stories/2005/broncosTV_sm.jpg (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609)In the spring, a young man's fancy turns to love ... or, for a few hundred prospects, to thoughts of the NFL Draft and dreams of their possible destination. Get to know some of this year's prospects between now and draft day. LB Jon Alston, Stanford (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1171)
RB Reggie Bush, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1153)
OL Rashad Butler, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1155)
TE Dominique Byrd, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1163)
CB Antonio Cromartie, Florida State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1166)
TE Charles Davis, Purdue (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=913&videoID=1159)
TE Daniel Fells, UC-Davis (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1161)
OL D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Virginia (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1154)
CB Roman Harper, Alabama (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1172)
CB Kelly Jennings, Miami (Fla.) (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1164)
TE Marcedes Lewis, UCLA (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1160)
S Charlie Peprah, Alabama (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1167)
DE Frostee Rucker, USC (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1170)
S Dwayne Slay, Texas Tech (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1165)
QB Marcus Vick, Virginia Tech (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1158)
CB Dee Webb, Florida (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1168)
TE T.J. Williams, N.C. State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1162)
QB Vince Young, Texas (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1157)
CB Ashton Youboty, Ohio State (http://www.orangemane.com/page.php?id=609&videoID=1169)
</TD></TR>--></TBODY></TABLE>By Andrew Mason
DenverBroncos.com
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Broncos' first-round compliment is down to one pick, but their Day 1 class now includes four picks.
Wednesday morning, Denver traded the No. 22 pick in the first round to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for their second- and third-round choices, at the Nos. 37 and 68 slots in the overall order.
The Broncos now have four picks in the first 68 selections, controlling the No. 15 selection and the 37th, 61st and 68th picks. By comparison, the Broncos did not pick until the No. 56 slot last year (Darrent Williams (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4339)) and then made three choices between No. 76 and 101.
"As we look at this draft, it's not that we didn't value the 22nd pick and we didn't see that there would be a player at the 22nd pick that could help us. We truly think there will be," General Manager Ted Sundquist (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=496) said. "What we did see was a tremendous number of players at that range at the second and third rounds that we feel like can come in and help us, so we feel like there's strength in numbers, so to speak."
The 61st is the only one of the Broncos' original first-day picks that they still control. Denver traded its first- and third-round picks to the Falcons in order to obtain the 15th selection; Atlanta subsequently sent that No. 29 pick to the Jets for John Abraham.
It has been six years since Denver had four of the first 70 picks. That year, the Broncos' haul began in the same slot where their first-round pick rests (No. 15), where they picked Deltha O'Neal. Ian Gold (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=718) (No. 40) and Kenoy Kennedy (No. 45) followed int he second round before the team picked wide receiver Chris Cole at the 70th selection.
Last year, the Broncos found Williams and Domonique Foxworth (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4341) in the second and third rounds, respectively. Both played extensively.
"(The second and third rounds) are really good rounds to find quality players, and on a veteran football team like ours coming off a deep playoff run, it's very difficult to find rookie players that can have an immediate starting impact," Sundquist said, "but you can get a number of talented guys in that second or third round that can come in, provide quality depth, back up your veteran team and be ready to go should they be called upon."
If Denver holds on to its second-round picks, it would give them a pair of choices in that round for the fourth time since 1999. What's more, the Broncos have seven picks in the first 130 of this year's draft, thanks to the 2005 trade with the Washington Redskins (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=4073) and the NFL's dispensation of a compensatory pick to the Broncos last month.
"Those fours give you a tremendous amount of leverage to move up in the first day," Sundquist said. "That gives you a little bit of wiggle room. If you're sitting down there at 61, and there's somebody at 56, you can say, 'Hey, let's go get him.'"
The deal with the Redskins last April was the opening swap of a series of exchanges that shaped the entire form of the Broncos' 2006 draft plan.
To re-trace:
Last April, the Broncos receive the Redskins' third-round pick in the 2005 NFL Draft and their first- and fourth-round selections in the 2006 NFL Draft. The '05 third-rounder (No. 76 overall) became Karl Paymah (http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=498&contentID=4340).
The 2006 first-rounder became the pick the Broncos traded to San Francisco on Wednesday. The Broncos still have Washington's fourth-round selection, which is the 119th pick overall.
That gives the Broncos Paymah and the 37th, 68th and 119th picks in exchange for last year's first-rounder, giving Denver three more picks in a draft that is widely considered to be deeper in talent than last year's.
"We've taken the 25th first-round pick last year and turned it into four players," Sundquist said.
"It wasn't a case of San Francisco coming to us or anything like that, it was more along the lines of (thinking that) as we got through our evaluations as a staff, looked at our particular needs on the football team and looked at what we thought would be available at 22, and weighed whether this guy could help us versus getting help in multiple areas.
"We felt like this was a good move."
http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=334&storyID=5512
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Well, there you have it. The Broncos are loaded in a deep draft. I'd love for the Broncos to get Vernon Davis too, but depth is what they are shooting for.

[clint7]

All the press about first rounders is great and exciting. However, what I do like about the second, third, and fourth round guys is that they normally are playing with some sort of chip on their shoulder and/or much more urgency because they might feel the pressure of the roster numbers more than the #1 round guy who might have a massive ego and little work ethic because he's believing his press clippings and everything has come so easily on ability alone up until now.

Therefore, you might (if you pick correctly) get a guy who works his tail off in practice, has zero issues about playing special teams, fights on every play (game or practice) for precious playing time and possibly more money...all of which they might feel they deserve and should have gone higher if it wasn't for any number of reasons: too short, too light, a tweaner, small school resume, had a college teammate that stole all the press, etc. I like guys with chips on their shoulders...for whatever reason.

So I don't mind picking up an extra second and a third...plus still having a first. We shall see though. You could always argue, though, that the dude is a fourth because he sucks that much more than the guy going in the first. :)

[Atlas]

This trade looks differently depending on what you think the team wanted. If you think they wanted Davis more than anything else, it's questionable. If you think they wanted C. Jackson, it doesn't look to bad. I think the logic might go like this...

1) Shanny wants C. Jackson to replace Lelie at 15 but knows he's not worth the 15th pick so he hopes he'll last to 22.



Neither Jackson or Holmes will make it to 20 let alone 22.

16. Miami
17. Minnesota
18. Dallas
19. San Diego
20. Kansas City
21. New England

All of these teams need a WR excepth Dallas. I wouldn't be suprised at all if S.D. or Miami traded up ahead of Denver to get the WR of their choice.

[Broncoman13]

Speaking of depth. The Broncos seem intent on adding depth as opposed to starting material players. This throws a bit of a wrench in what most are predicting for us. If depth is what we're truly after I think you can expect to see something more along these lines...

15. KAMERION WIMBLEY (DE, FSU)
37. DAVIN JOSEPH (OG, OU)
61. ANTHONY FASANO (TE, ND)
68. RODRIQUE WRIGHT (DT, UT)

It's not a sexy top 4, but it does certainly add depth. Wimbley, Joseph, and Wright are all capable of getting extensive playing time. Hell, Joseph would probably end up a starter. Fasano is slotted just ahead of Klop, but I still think Klop goes ahead of him. I'd much prefer Klop, but I don't think he'll be available. Perhaps Byrd, but Fasano is a much better blocker.

[Broncoman13]

All the press about first rounders is great and exciting. However, what I do like about the second, third, and fourth round guys is that they normally are playing with some sort of chip on their shoulder and/or much more urgency because they might feel the pressure of the roster numbers more than the #1 round guy who might have a massive ego and little work ethic because he's believing his press clippings and everything has come so easily on ability alone up until now.

Therefore, you might (if you pick correctly) get a guy who works his tail off in practice, has zero issues about playing special teams, fights on every play (game or practice) for precious playing time and possibly more money...all of which they might feel they deserve and should have gone higher if it wasn't for any number of reasons: too short, too light, a tweaner, small school resume, had a college teammate that stole all the press, etc. I like guys with chips on their shoulders...for whatever reason.

So I don't mind picking up an extra second and a third...plus still having a first. We shall see though. You could always argue, though, that the dude is a fourth because he sucks that much more than the guy going in the first. :)

Great Post!

Perfect example would be Clinton Portis.

Hopefully we don't pull a trade to move up in the 2nd for a guy that would have been available in the 4th... DARIUS WATTS!!!

[2KBack]

I don't think there is much I can possibly add to this discussion. I definitly thought it was a trade up when I read the thread title, so there was some dissapointment when I discovered the truth. Short lived dissapointment. There were very few players 22 that I was enamoured with. The second and third rounds are full of guys I want though, and I don't like selling a draft for expensive rookies. I'd never even heard of Vernon Davis before the combine, so despite his tangibles, I'm not sold on the hype. Gimme a guy like Hagan anyday, maybe he had a bad day at the combine, but the guy has been a star on the field for years, and thats what I find important. Hooray for lots of picks.

[Broncoman13]

Vernon Davis was a stud before the combine... he just garnered the national recognition with his performance there. Troy Williamson was going to be a first round pick last year, even before he ran his 4.3 at the combine. The combine pretty much just makes these guys more noteable on a national level.

What I like about moving down from 22 to 37. Most of the guys that we really liked at 22 will likely be available at 37. Kiwi, Hali, Ko Simpson, Stovall, Addai, perhaps even Lendale White. It's a good move... hopefully we don't blow it!

[Popps]

I don't think there is much I can possibly add to this discussion. I definitly thought it was a trade up when I read the thread title.

It does make me wonder what SF is thinking. They're a long way away, and need depth.

[Rohirrim]

Rod Wright is a bust, unless you pick him up in the 5th.

[Broncoman13]

Rod Wright has the potential to bust, kind of like you have the potential to write an intelligent post! ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

15. Tamba Hali
37. Maurice Stovall
61. Claude Wroten
68. Charles Spencer

:pray:

[Requiem]

The only thing I didn't like with Sundquist as if it seems the guys in the second and third rounds won't challenge for a starting job. God, I sure hope they get guys who can.

[maven]

I'd heard the Broncos were making a run at Harrington, but he let out a yelp at the prospect of coming to Denver, so I guess chances are that he will end up in Miami...although, and this is important, Denver is still working on some kind of deal for Harrington as we speak.


He has a 3.6 million high rise condo on south beach. I'll take a bet he wants to be in Miami. Unless, a team trades for him to be the starting QB.

[Broncoman13]

Too early for Hali. There's talk that he's slipped mid way into the 2nd now. I like the rest of that draft though. Perhaps trade Wimbley, Lawson, or even a RB for #15. I love Hali's motor, but we need a DE that can finish plays. Lawson and Wimbley both have the motor and closing speed to finish plays.

Charles Spencer makes sense b/c of the numerous 3-4's that we face, and seem to struggle running the ball against. We need the bulk to match up vs the 340lb DT's and 300lb DE's.

[Broncoman13]

The only thing I didn't like with Sundquist as if it seems the guys in the second and third rounds won't challenge for a starting job. God, I sure hope they get guys who can.


I noticed that right off the bat as well. It makes me believe that we may take some chances and draft some positions we aren't expecting. I hope we don't blow this draft!!!

[Requiem]

I'd take Hali at #15 over Wimbley. By far better size, and he too has a motor that doesn't quit. So what if he ran a 4.8 in the forty, he has good enough speed to "finish" plays as you put it. I do agree Oskie, that's too high for him at #15 -- but #37 would be solid, however I don't think we'll take him.

[Broncoman13]

If Jay Cutler is there at 15 do you pass or take him? Depth and possibly the future... kind of hard not to. He's one guy that I haven't seen much of so I really can't say. Seems like he is a player but who knows?

[Clockwork Orange]

If Jay Cutler is there at 15 do you pass or take him? Depth and possibly the future... kind of hard not to. He's one guy that I haven't seen much of so I really can't say. Seems like he is a player but who knows?

I'd take him. Not because I'm all that enamoured with him, but he'd be good value at the 15th pick. The rumors from a month or so ago about the Broncos wanting to trade up for him made me cringe.

[Requiem]

I noticed that right off the bat as well. It makes me believe that we may take some chances and draft some positions we aren't expecting. I hope we don't blow this draft!!!

I don't think getting extra ammo is an adequate excuse to take risks on players. Not in the least.

[Elway777]

It does make me wonder what SF is thinking. They're a long way away, and need depth. I think that sf made a great trade. They can now draft VD to help out Smith plus add a great corner in Hill or Cromartie or Running back in Williams or White.

[Requiem]

If Jay Cutler is there at 15 do you pass or take him? Depth and possibly the future... kind of hard not to. He's one guy that I haven't seen much of so I really can't say. Seems like he is a player but who knows?

He has JP Losman Syndrome and I'll stay away from that as much as I can. Maybe he's the next big thing. I mean, we did get extra picks (not saying we should take a risk, but I'm not sure if Cutler there is one) -- and we could use a guy for the future. Who knows though, right?

[jossjeff]

Gotta say the Rat is really pissing me off with these offseason draft moves.

So you have gone from #22, #29, plus you're very late second, third and fourth and turned it into #15, #37, # your late 2nd rounder, and #68?

4 picks in the top 68 in a draft this deep is very nice to have.

I think the mules got over.

Plus you moved up seven spots.

I'm gonna be sick.

[-Slap-]

I'm glad we got back into the third round. In a draft with this much talent, you don't want to be too long between picks. If a player you love falls within reach, you want to be near enough to facilitate an easy trade up. Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson both rode this philosophy to dynasties. Trading down to acquire extra picks, then back up, when necessary, to land individual players they coveted.

With the pair of fours, and the five and six, we have plenty of ammo to manuever. To wit:

15 - Tamba Hali
37 - LenDale White
61 - Trade up for Davin Joseph
68 - Trade up for Maurice Stovall
Comp - Whichever tight end slides

[eddie mac]

15. Tamba Hali
37. Maurice Stovall
61. Claude Wroten
68. Charles Spencer

:pray:

I'd make a couple of adjustments to that;

15. Haloti Ngata, just have a feeling he's gonna drop right into our laps
37. Marcedes Lewis TE
61. Daniel Bullocks S
68. Charles Spencer G
76. Mark Anderson DE traded 4th and 5th rounders to Eagles

Ash plus conditional 2007 pick traded to Packers for Walker

[Requiem]

That'd be a nice draft, but I don't like the idea of trading two of our fourths to get a guy or two. We'd move at best a few spots with each when they could be used on additional players who would have a chance to have an impact to. Fifteen is still too high for Hali, White isn't going to be there at #37. I still can't think of a guy who would fall to #15 so we wouldn't have to take Chad, but that's all I can think of right now.

[Requiem]

Bah, here we already go with the trading the fourth rounders stuff. Stupid if you ask me.

[Elway777]

Speaking of depth. The Broncos seem intent on adding depth as opposed to starting material players. This throws a bit of a wrench in what most are predicting for us. If depth is what we're truly after I think you can expect to see something more along these lines...

15. KAMERION WIMBLEY (DE, FSU)
37. DAVIN JOSEPH (OG, OU)
61. ANTHONY FASANO (TE, ND)
68. RODRIQUE WRIGHT (DT, UT)

It's not a sexy top 4, but it does certainly add depth. Wimbley, Joseph, and Wright are all capable of getting extensive playing time. Hell, Joseph would probably end up a starter. Fasano is slotted just ahead of Klop, but I still think Klop goes ahead of him. I'd much prefer Klop, but I don't think he'll be available. Perhaps Byrd, but Fasano is a much better blocker. In my opinion 15 is to high for Wimbley. The Broncos want Wimbley then another trade down to 22 or 23 is possiby. I really like the another 3 picks. If I stay at 15 I would take DW2 or Homes.Maybe take Stanley McClover at 68 instead of Wright. McClover and Wimbley are alot alike. 15 DW2 or Homes 37 Joseph 61 Fasano 68 McClover. Maybe then the Broncos could work out a trade for Wright ,McCargo ,Lewis or Wroten with next year second for early 3 rounder.

[eddie mac]

Bah, here we already go with the trading the fourth rounders stuff. Stupid if you ask me.

Blame Sundqvist not me. He's the one who stated it's nice to have the 2 tradible 4th rd picks for manouverability if a guy they like is there.

[Requiem]

Blame Sundqvist not me. He's the one who stated it's nice to have the 2 tradible 4th rd picks for manouverability if a guy they like is there.

That doesn't mean you have to do it. ;)

[Elway777]

I'd make a couple of adjustments to that;

15. Haloti Ngata, just have a feeling he's gonna drop right into our laps
37. Marcedes Lewis TE
61. Daniel Bullocks S
68. Charles Spencer G
76. Mark Anderson DE traded 4th and 5th rounders to Eagles

Ash plus conditional 2007 pick traded to Packers for Walker That would be a hell of a draft.I would take Klop or Pope over Lewis

[Broncoman13]

I'd take Hali at #15 over Wimbley. By far better size, and he too has a motor that doesn't quit. So what if he ran a 4.8 in the forty, he has good enough speed to "finish" plays as you put it.


Wimbley is a stud. I'd argue that some of Bunkley's plays were b/c of Wimbley playing beside him. We're talking about the same guy that beat D'Brick to the tune of 2 sacks and a TFL this season. D'Brick had given up two sacks in his college career to that point.

Wimbley is almost identical to DeMarcus Ware.

Lawson is another guy that has the closing speed I speak of.

People see Wimbley and Lawson's weight and automatically back off. Jason Taylor came into the league at 6'6 and 250 lbs. Jevon Kearse at 6'4 and 250 but finished his rookie season at 240.

Wimbley is 6'4 248 (ran a 4.61)
Lawson is 6'5 1/2 241 (ran a 4.43)

Jason Taylor is listed currently at 6'6 255.
Jevon Kearse is listed anywhere from 6'4 255 to 265.

So both of them have added weight... about 15 lbs each. Neither have seen a dramatic drop off in performance over their careers. Wimbley +15lbs weighs in at 263. Lawson w/15 weighs in at 256. Both of them have the frame to add weight!

[fdf]

78 people viewing this thread! Yikes!

I can't read it fast enough to keep up with the new posts as they come in. I'll never get to the end :)

[Requiem]

I think if Kamerion adds weight, he may lose that explosiveness.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal's Day 1 "Plan"

15. Lendale White
37. Whoever the Bengals dont take out of Lewis/Pope OR whoever is remaining out of Hali/Kiwi. At least one of these four will DEFINITELY be there.
61. Stovall.
3. If not Lewis/Pope at 2A- go Fasano. If not Kiwi/Hali at 2A- go Anderson OR Wroten if he remains.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Pick up Bouknight in the fourth.

Welcom Taco, sorry, but I think Jovon might not even be drafted with this deep draft. Not a lot of market for fairly small, fairly slow WRs.

Only around 225 players get drafted and my fellow Maners have already declared about 200 of them to be 2nd round locks. :)

[Ray Finkle]

SoCal's Day 1 "Plan"

15. Lendale White
37. Whoever the Bengals dont take out of Lewis/Pope OR whoever is remaining out of Hali/Kiwi. At least one of these four will DEFINITELY be there.
61. Stovall.
3. If not Lewis/Pope at 2A- go Fasano. If not Kiwi/Hali at 2A- go Anderson OR Wroten if he remains.


DW2 instead of fat ass and I like the rest.

[-Slap-]

Bah, here we already go with the trading the fourth rounders stuff. Stupid if you ask me.
Its called maneuvering. It might be a bit more complex a concept than you're able to assimilate, but it brought several Lombardis to San Francisco and Dallas.

[Broncoman13]

DW2 instead of fat ass and I like the rest.


I love DW2. But I don't think he's a good fit. I'd prefer Lendale in our system. Actually, the more I think about it the more I prefer Maroney. Good size, good power, experience in the system, and he runs pretty fast as well.

This thought has been creeping into my mind lately. I think there is a good chance that Addai will move ahead of Maroney. All these mock drafts that you see with Addai going between pick 35 and 55... sub Maroney's name in there.

SO, that being said. If Maroney is available at 37 and we didn't draft White or DW2 or any other RB in the first, would you take Maroney at 37? I would in a heartbeat!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=Requiem]He has JP Losman Syndrome QUOTE]

He is not the selfish azz that Losman is, but I also do not think he is a legit first round prospect. I would compare him to Brad Smith or someone like that - will probably kick around the league for a long time. Maybe Griese with and arm and some friends.

[eddie mac]

SoCal's Day 1 "Plan"

15. Lendale White
37. Whoever the Bengals dont take out of Lewis/Pope OR whoever is remaining out of Hali/Kiwi. At least one of these four will DEFINITELY be there.
61. Stovall.
3. If not Lewis/Pope at 2A- go Fasano. If not Kiwi/Hali at 2A- go Anderson OR Wroten if he remains.

You're still on the Lendale bandwagon I see. You must also like the way Marcedes is falling on nearly every mock. If he fell to 37 it would be a steal.

[SoCalBronco]

You're still on the Lendale bandwagon I see. You must also like the way Marcedes is falling on nearly every mock. If he fell to 37 it would be a steal.

Id be going crazy if we passed him up at 37.

[eddie mac]

Welcom Taco, sorry, but I think Jovon might not even be drafted with this deep draft. Not a lot of market for fairly small, fairly slow WRs.

Only around 225 players get drafted and my fellow Maners have already declared about 200 of them to be 2nd round locks. :)

:rofl:

[eddie mac]

Id be going crazy if we passed him up at 37.

Has Mike only had WR's in for visits so far??? No mention of tight ends yet?

[Broncoman13]

I don't want Lendale at 15. If that's the player we covet then trade down a few spots. Chances are he'll be there at 21 anyhow. What does that give us, another 3rd? Again, if Justice or Ngata are available at 15 this draft will get real good for us in a hurry. I could see somebody at 25-30 giving up that spot and their 2nd for a DT or OT of that caliber. Then Lendale, Lewis, Stovall, and Bullocks are all within reach in this draft!!! That would be a haul.

[Rohirrim]

SoCal's Day 1 "Plan"

15. Lendale White
37. Whoever the Bengals dont take out of Lewis/Pope OR whoever is remaining out of Hali/Kiwi. At least one of these four will DEFINITELY be there.
61. Stovall.
3. If not Lewis/Pope at 2A- go Fasano. If not Kiwi/Hali at 2A- go Anderson OR Wroten if he remains.

I couldn't disagree with any of that (unless, Huff or Haloti fall).

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Neither Jackson or Holmes will make it to 20 let alone 22.

16. Miami
17. Minnesota
18. Dallas
19. San Diego
20. Kansas City
21. New England

All of these teams need a WR excepth Dallas. I wouldn't be suprised at all if S.D. or Miami traded up ahead of Denver to get the WR of their choice.

But none of those teams have WR as their primary need. Every single one of those teams has at least 1 and probably 2 greater needs than WR. That's the place you're going to see a run on corners and safeties.

[Broncoman13]

The only thing I could disagree with on SoCal's is Lendale going too early and I don't think Stovall will be around at 61. That and I'm not sure I'd rather have Stovall over Hagan anyway.

What's Hagan's latest projections? Seems like he's being projected into the 3rd now.

What's wrong with this...

1st Lendale White (trade down a couple spots if possible)
2nd Marcedes Lewis
2nd Daniel Bullocks
3rd Derek Hagan

And, if we get lucky and a guy like Ngata or Justice fall to 15 we probably can get pretty good value in a trade down from 15. I don't think it's out of the question that Tampa Bay wouldn't give us their #23 and #59 for Winston Justice (should he fall).

So, in that type scenario you end up with this:

#23 Lendale White (great value and slot for him)
#37 Marcedes Lewis (.2 faster in the 40 and he's a top 20 pick, need pos.)
#59 Bullocks/Simpson/Bing (whichever is available)
#61 Anderson/McClover
#68 Derek Hagan

Probably too good to be true, but what part of this isn't realistic?

The Bucs have been "making due" with Kenyatta Walker and Anthony Davis (UDFA) at OT. Winston Justice is accustomed to playing RT to protect a L/H QB's blind side... it just makes sense to me.

[Ray Finkle]

I love DW2. But I don't think he's a good fit. I'd prefer Lendale in our system. Actually, the more I think about it the more I prefer Maroney. Good size, good power, experience in the system, and he runs pretty fast as well.

This thought has been creeping into my mind lately. I think there is a good chance that Addai will move ahead of Maroney. All these mock drafts that you see with Addai going between pick 35 and 55... sub Maroney's name in there.

SO, that being said. If Maroney is available at 37 and we didn't draft White or DW2 or any other RB in the first, would you take Maroney at 37? I would in a heartbeat!


Maroney doesn't run inside....DW does.

[Broncoman13]

Maroney doesn't run inside....DW does.


WHAT?????????????

[Broncoman13]

Maroney doesn't run inside....DW does.


DW2 breaks 90% of his runs to the outside. Maroney did the same thing... but both of them are capable of running between the tackles.

Little food for thought btw, DW2 won't be around at 37, no way no how.

If Addai has indeed jumped Maroney then there is a good chance he could be around at 37. DW2 at 15 is good value. Maroney at 37 is excellent value.

[phisig150]

The only thing I could disagree with on SoCal's is Lendale going too early and I don't think Stovall will be around at 61. That and I'm not sure I'd rather have Stovall over Hagan anyway.

What's Hagan's latest projections? Seems like he's being projected into the 3rd now.

What's wrong with this...

1st Lendale White (trade down a couple spots if possible)
2nd Marcedes Lewis
2nd Daniel Bullocks
3rd Derek Hagan

And, if we get lucky and a guy like Ngata or Justice fall to 15 we probably can get pretty good value in a trade down from 15. I don't think it's out of the question that Tampa Bay wouldn't give us their #23 and #59 for Winston Justice (should he fall).

So, in that type scenario you end up with this:

#23 Lendale White (great value and slot for him)
#37 Marcedes Lewis (.2 faster in the 40 and he's a top 20 pick, need pos.)
#59 Bullocks/Simpson/Bing (whichever is available)
#61 Anderson/McClover
#68 Derek Hagan

Probably too good to be true, but what part of this isn't realistic?

The Bucs have been "making due" with Kenyatta Walker and Anthony Davis (UDFA) at OT. Winston Justice is accustomed to playing RT to protect a L/H QB's blind side... it just makes sense to me.

I love the first Idea you have. Except I might take Bing over Bullocks. But that would be my dream draft. That's the best draft idea I've seen on this board yet.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I think pick #37 was meant for the Packers in exchange for Walker, which means we avoid the risk of taking C Jackson and pick up a 3rd in the deal which makes more sense than gambling on another 1st round WR who may flop. On the other hand, what if GB would simply take Lelie straight up for Walker? That's pretty fair given they've each had one big year and Lelie is two years younger. We avoid losing him next year for nothing, and both players get what they want...out of their present situation. Denver keeps that 37th pick and it looks like this:

#15- Manny Lawson; Athletic freak and maybe the best pure pass rusher in the draft with unmatched speed off the edge plus he's a special teams demon
#37- Charles Spencer; starts by year two and beefs up our interior line. I don't see this guy lasting to the 61st pick so I'd take him this high
#61- 1 of the 3...Klop/Lewis/Pope might make it this far on their own but if not I'd think about trading one of the 4ths to move up before they're all off the board. We can't go into this season without a Round 2 TE to replace Putz.
#68- Darnell Bing- Freight train hitter can take over for Lynch in a year. USC safeties have a nice history of success in the NFL

Now we still have two 4ths to find our annual sleeper RB or another receiver plus add another O-line guy in a draft deep in offensive linemen. We fill all 4 major holes, DE, TE, WR (Walker) and OG and roll the dice in the 4th round on somebody like Jerious Norwood or Hank Basket.

[Broncoman13]

I love the first Idea you have. Except I might take Bing over Bullocks. But that would be my dream draft. That's the best draft idea I've seen on this board yet.


Thank you. The only problem with the first draft idea is that it doesn't address DE or DT. Some people think that McCargo will last into the 4th round. I personally don't think he'll make it out of the 2nd. Rod Wright could slide to the 4th, but he is the epitomy of boom or bust. I'm really hoping for a draft day trade that's made possible by a guy like Winston Justice falling to #15.

BG pointed out yesterday that while I was hearing that he was dropping due to character concerns, he was hearing that he's steadily moving up the charts due to his outstanding pro-day performance. 38'' vert for a 320 OT... that's insane! Even if we had to give up a 4th to make that deal right we'd still end up with our target in the 1st (if Lendale is the target) and gain a 2nd in lieu of that 4th. What's not to like?

[SoCalBronco]

I think pick #37 was meant for the Packers in exchange for Walker, which means we avoid the risk of taking C Jackson and pick up a 3rd in the deal which makes more sense than gambling on another 1st round WR who may flop. On the other hand, what if GB would simply take Lelie straight up for Walker? That's pretty fair given they've each had one big year and Lelie is two years younger. We avoid losing him next year for nothing, and both players get what they want...out of their present situation. Denver keeps that 37th pick and it looks like this:

#15- Manny Lawson; Athletic freak and maybe the best pure pass rusher in the draft with unmatched speed off the edge plus he's a special teams demon
#37- Charles Spencer; starts by year two and beefs up our interior line. I don't see this guy lasting to the 61st pick so I'd take him this high
#61- 1 of the 3...Klop/Lewis/Pope might make it this far on their own but if not I'd think about trading one of the 4ths to move up before they're all off the board. We can't go into this season without a Round 2 TE to replace Putz.
#68- Darnell Bing- Freight train hitter can take over for Lynch in a year. USC safeties have a nice history of success in the NFL

Now we still have two 4ths to find our annual sleeper RB or another receiver plus add another O-line guy in a draft deep in offensive linemen. We fill all 4major holes, DE, TE, WR (Walker) and OG and roll the dice in the 4th round on somebody like Jerious Norwood or Hank Baket.

There is no way we are going to give up 37 for Walker.

Highest possible pick is maybe 68, since we are already the highest bidder for him, with our last bid being a 4th rounder which they rejected. Shanny isnt going to then go up to a 2nd for a guy coming off an ACL. No way.

15 is too high for Lawson.

I like Bing but Master Pain has reported that the Broncos have him ranked very low on their board.

[yerner]

All this bs about depth. We better draft someone huge with 15 because as much as I love our team, our STARTERS now aint winning the superbowl. Look, we didnt win last year because we lacked depth, no one was really hurt. We lost because we didnt have enough quality STARTING playmakers. Playmakers meaning.. qb..rb..wr..te...de. someone who owns the game.

[Broncoman13]

I think pick #37 was meant for the Packers in exchange for Walker, which means we avoid the risk of taking C Jackson and pick up a 3rd in the deal which makes more sense than gambling on another 1st round WR who may flop. On the other hand, what if GB would simply take Lelie straight up for Walker? That's pretty fair given they've each had one big year and Lelie is two years younger. We avoid losing him next year for nothing, and both players get what they want...out of their present situation. Denver keeps that 37th pick and it looks like this:

#15- Manny Lawson; Athletic freak and maybe the best pure pass rusher in the draft with unmatched speed off the edge plus he's a special teams demon
#37- Charles Spencer; starts by year two and beefs up our interior line. I don't see this guy lasting to the 61st pick so I'd take him this high
#61- 1 of the 3...Klop/Lewis/Pope might make it this far on their own but if not I'd think about trading one of the 4ths to move up before they're all off the board. We can't go into this season without a Round 2 TE to replace Putz.
#68- Darnell Bing- Freight train hitter can take over for Lynch in a year. USC safeties have a nice history of success in the NFL

Now we still have two 4ths to find our annual sleeper RB or another receiver plus add another O-line guy in a draft deep in offensive linemen. We fill all 4major holes, DE, TE, WR (Walker) and OG and roll the dice in the 4th round on somebody like Jerious Norwood or Hank Baket.


I'm buying. I'd take Davin Joseph over Spencer, but it's still a good draft.

In the 4th you could go Omar Jacobs or Reggie McNeal and Bloom.

I asked earlier and nobody answered. But if we're picking at 68 (3rd rd) and Devin Hester is available... DO YOU WANT HIM?

[SoCalBronco]

I'm buying. I'd take Davin Joseph over Spencer, but it's still a good draft.

In the 4th you could go Omar Jacobs or Reggie McNeal and Bloom.

I asked earlier and nobody answered. But if we're picking at 68 (3rd rd) and Devin Hester is available... DO YOU WANT HIM?

The early third is too early for Devin. We dont have the luxury of just taking a super athlete and coaching him up. We have serious big time needs on Offense and Defense....actually at basically every single position outside of OT, C, QB (for now), LB and CB.

Too early for luxuries till the comp 4th.

[-Slap-]

I'm buying. I'd take Davin Joseph over Spencer, but it's still a good draft.

In the 4th you could go Omar Jacobs or Reggie McNeal and Bloom.

I asked earlier and nobody answered. But if we're picking at 68 (3rd rd) and Devin Hester is available... DO YOU WANT HIM?
I would much prefer Joseph over Spencer, who's had reconstructive surgery on his shoulder. He's missed spring practice the last two years because of shoulder problems. Joseph seems to have few weaknesses. I think some scouts downgrade him because he was playing out of position at tackle.

[Ray Finkle]

DW2 breaks 90% of his runs to the outside. Maroney did the same thing... but both of them are capable of running between the tackles.

Little food for thought btw, DW2 won't be around at 37, no way no how.

If Addai has indeed jumped Maroney then there is a good chance he could be around at 37. DW2 at 15 is good value. Maroney at 37 is excellent value.


I didn't see any indication that he could...

[Ballhawk]

I would much prefer Joseph over Spencer, who's had reconstructive surgery on his shoulder. He's missed spring practice the last two years because of shoulder problems. Joseph seems to have few weaknesses. I think some scouts downgrade him because he was playing out of position at tackle.

Joseph is also short enough to play G for us, Remember we have a short QB.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'd make a couple of adjustments to that;

15. Haloti Ngata, just have a feeling he's gonna drop right into our laps
37. Marcedes Lewis TE
61. Daniel Bullocks S
68. Charles Spencer G
76. Mark Anderson DE traded 4th and 5th rounders to Eagles

Ash plus conditional 2007 pick traded to Packers for Walker

I don't see Ngata falling quite that far, but I'd take him in half a heartbeat if he did.

#37 is a very interesting spot. There's going to be a lot of talent there and there aren't too many wrong ways to go. Lewis would be great, Pope could be there, Kiwanuka might slide (I'd have taken him there in my scenario if I hadn't had us taking Hali in round 1), Nick Mangold, Davin Joseph, Maurice Stovall, the list goes on. Any of these guys would be great choices.

[WaffleBoy]

Why did the Broncos trade out? I wanted them to select Sinorice and we get Manny Lawson.

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Elway777]

I would much prefer Joseph over Spencer, who's had reconstructive surgery on his shoulder. He's missed spring practice the last two years because of shoulder problems. Joseph seems to have few weaknesses. I think some scouts downgrade him because he was playing out of position at tackle. I like both players and would not mind either one .Ron Sims would also be a nice pick with 68 pick.I also Like the idea of trading down with with Tampa Bay for their first or second. 23 pick could get us Homes,Jackson,Lawson Wimbley or DW2. I would not mind any of those guys. 37 pick I would use on Bullcks. Bullocks has both speed and size to be elite safty in nfl. 59 pick I would go with Te . Klop would be my first choose. With 61 and 68 pick the Broncos could add defensive Tackle and offence lineman. Maybe Spencer ,McClover or McCargo

[footstepsfrom#27]

There is no way we are going to give up 37 for Walker.

Highest possible pick is maybe 68, since we are already the highest bidder for him, with our last bid being a 4th rounder which they rejected. Shanny isnt going to then go up to a 2nd for a guy coming off an ACL. No way. of
San Francisco supposedly offered the 37th already and had a deal in the works but if fell through...obviously if his knee's not sound you don't make the deal. If it is sound, 37 for a 27 y/o guy who had 89 catches for over 1300 yards and 12 TD's beats giving up the 15th pick for unproven Chad Jackson who is 1) from Florida, 2) would be a Shanny 1st round WR...dubious[/quote]
15 is too high for Lawson.
Why? He's got both the physical tools and the production to back up a #15 selection...6'6" 245 and now that he won't be concentrating on working out for track he ought to put on 20 pounds. 4.43 for a guy this big is sick and he's still learning to play in the line so his upside is terriffic. He's definitely worth a shot at 15 if he's there...certainly more than CJ or Holmes IMO.

[SoCalBronco]

Why? He's got both the physical tools and the production to back up a #15 selection...6'6" 245 and now that he won't be concentrating on working out for track he ought to put on 20 pounds. 4.43 for a guy this big is sick and he's still learning to play in the line so his upside is terriffic. He's definitely worth a shot at 15 if he's there...certainly more than CJ or Holmes IMO.

Its not a done deal that he can maintain his pass rush ability while throwing on 20 pounds. Even at 265, its kinda frail for a 6'6'' DE. People will run traps at us on his side all day.

I agree on CJ and Holmes. The team better not even think of going there at 15.

PFT claimed today that Denver will not go WR till Round 2, which I hope is true. Just because there is a need doesnt mean you reach in a bad WR draft.