OT: Cheney in 2008??

[doonwise]

Get ‘em now folks! :rofl:
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They won’t last long at this price: http://www.cafepress.com/beatbushgear.18704043

[Den Smith 49]

Will he still be alive?

[doonwise]

Will he still be alive?

Oh yes. He's immortal evil. :devil:

[scorpio]

Will he still be alive?


immortality is one of the perks of being half-man half-demon

[Orange_Beard]

Just don't go hunting with Him.

[scorpio]

http://users.adelphia.net/~mbaker8/cheney-snarl-reduced.jpg

[FantomForce]

I didn't think that Republicans and Democrats ran together??? 'Cause if Cheney runs with Satan won't that be Hillary Clinton?

[doonwise]

I didn't think that Republicans and Democrats ran together??? 'Cause if Cheney runs with Satan won't that be Hillary Clinton?

Are you saying that Hillary Clinton is as powerful as Satan?? Wow.

[sirhcyennek81]

Are you saying that Hillary Clinton is as powerful as Satan?? Wow.


Or...does Satan think he is as powerful as Hillary Clinton?


:Broncos:

[scorpio]

Or...does Satan think he is as powerful as Hillary Clinton?


:Broncos:


You just gave my brain a stomachache

[sirhcyennek81]

You just gave my brain a stomachache


Correct sir. While Hillary is really a man hating psuedo lesbian, satan in fact is martha stewart. Marinate on the meaning of this...

:Broncos:

[broncohaven]

He'd have a chance if he accidentally shot W

[doonwise]

Or...does Satan think he is as powerful as Hillary Clinton?

Very interesting. I've generally thought of her as a single senator that failed to universalize healthcare, not some powerful demigod. I don't know why everyone thinks she's a big threat to the right wingers... Oh, they don't think she's a threat; she's just an easy target. Got it. Anyway, she's pretty overhyped, IMO.

Cheney ~ Satan 2008! <--I'm voting this way. We will win the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, Nigeria, and Venezuela, all while balancing the budget and creating a booming economy. Of course, we'll also have to balance those gains out with church burnings and abortions, but hey, you have to break some eggs...

[scorpio]

He'd have a chance if he accidentally shot W


Have fun at Guantanamo, agitator.









;)

[sirhcyennek81]

Very interesting. I've generally thought of her as a single senator that failed to universalize healthcare, not some powerful demigod. I don't know why everyone thinks she's a big threat to the right wingers... Oh, they don't think she's a threat; she's just an easy target. Got it. Anyway, she's pretty overhyped, IMO.

Cheney ~ Satan 2008! <--I'm voting this way. We will win the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea, Nigeria, and Venezuela, all while balancing the budget and creating a booming economy. Of course, we'll also have to balance those gains out with church burnings and abortions, but hey, you have to break some eggs...


Hillary is the most recognizable democrat. She also has done nothing since winning election in 2000 but gather cash and the support necesary for a presidential run in 2008. I don't like this woman very much, she is the type that should be kept out of power...bothers me the city of new york was stupid enough to elect her in the first place...

:Broncos:

[doonwise]

Hillary is the most recognizable democrat. She also has done nothing since winning election in 2000 but gather cash and the support necesary for a presidential run in 2008. I don't like this woman very much, she is the type that should be kept out of power...bothers me the city of new york was stupid enough to elect her in the first place...

:Broncos:

Well, given the choice, I'd rather have a politician that did absolutely nothing than one who attacked the wrong county. But hey, that's me.

[sirhcyennek81]

Well, given the choice, I'd rather have a politician that did absolutely nothing than one who attacked the wrong county. But hey, that's me.


I agree. Clinton should have focused on iraq, iran and north korea instead of fire bombing Kosovo.

:Broncos:

[DomCasual]

I agree. Clinton should have focused on iraq, iran and north korea instead of fire bombing Kosovo.

:Broncos:
I love the Beach Boys song about Kosovo.

"That's where we wanna go, way down to Ko-suh-vo!"

Oh, and I'd vote for Cheney - In. A. Heartbeat. Throw in Dan Quayle as his running mate. If Cheney's heart gave out, we'd want someone capable and experienced to run the country.

So there you go. Cheney-Quayle in 2008!

[SteveTensi13]

I think the terrorist would absolutely hate to see Cheney run in '08. That would mean 8 more years of being distracted from their main goal of attacking the continental US. So far,8 years of peace in America, something Clinton couldn't brag about.

[SteveTensi13]

Get ‘em now folks! :rofl:
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They won’t last long at this price: http://www.cafepress.com/beatbushgear.18704043

another pre 9-11 thinker, oh well what can you do?

[Play2win]

Get ‘em now folks! :rofl:
http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/79378ceb87.jpg
They won’t last long at this price: http://www.cafepress.com/beatbushgear.18704043
Really, he picked ROVE as his running mate...

[Dagmar]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0812977297/sr=8-1/qid=1145409813/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-6379939-9726216?%5Fencoding=UTF8

[broncohaven]

I think the terrorist would absolutely hate to see Cheney run in '08. That would mean 8 more years of being distracted from their main goal of attacking the continental US. So far,8 years of peace in America, something Clinton couldn't brag about.
Why travel when you can kill Americans in your own back yard? How many successful terrorist attacks on American soil prior to W? 8 Years of Peace? You realize we're at war right?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I think the terrorist would absolutely hate to see Cheney run in '08. That would mean 8 more years of being distracted from their main goal of attacking the continental US. So far,8 years of peace in America, something Clinton couldn't brag about.
What?

[BroncoMan4ever]

Get ‘em now folks! :rofl:
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No way. I never thought Al Davis would go into politics.

[CoBear23]

Get ‘em now folks! :rofl:
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I'm confused is he his own running partner??

[SteveTensi13]

Why travel when you can kill Americans in your own back yard? How many successful terrorist attacks on American soil prior to W? 8 Years of Peace? You realize we're at war right?

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!

[sirhcyennek81]

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!


I consider every attack by Islam since 1972 part of the current war on terror.

:Broncos:

[scorpio]

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!
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[scorpio]

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!

That's some whack ****.

[sirhcyennek81]

That's some whack ****.

Al Qaeda, et al, have chosen to make Iraq the battle ground. Fine. Die there. We prefer it that way. I dont want to wake up again, flip on the TV and see the sears tower, hoover dam, statue of liberty, golden gate bridge, ect on fire and collapsing.

:Broncos:

[scorpio]

Al Qaeda, et al, have chosen to make Iraq the battle ground. Fine. Die there. We prefer it that way. I dont want to wake up again, flip on the TV and see the sears tower, hoover dam, statue of liberty, golden gate bridge, ect on fire and collapsing.

:Broncos:


Is that your way of saying "I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!" ?

Because that's totally not a terroristic sentiment. At all.

P.S. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Al Qaeda who chose Iraq for a battleground.

[Orange_Beard]

I think the terrorist would absolutely hate to see Cheney run in '08. That would mean 8 more years of being distracted from their main goal of attacking the continental US. So far,8 years of peace in America, something Clinton couldn't brag about.

I love how you dopes know what terrorsts think.
Takes one to know one.

[Orange_Beard]

I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!


Man, you are a kool-ade drinker.

First of all Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, not a single thing. No links.

If the kill ratio is in fact 1000 to 1, that means that around 200,000 terrorists were killed? Hmmm, that number seems a little high to me.

Come on think for yourself. Use some of your "fine" education to form your own thoughts. Don't just repeat nonsense.

[sirhcyennek81]

Is that your way of saying "I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!" ?

Because that's totally not a terroristic sentiment. At all.

P.S. I'm pretty sure it wasn't Al Qaeda who chose Iraq for a battleground.


I dont give a **** if someone is Muslim. I care when they try to kill me. Also, they chose Iraq, so Iraq is where it is. Would you prefer to fight them here?


:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Man, you are a kool-ade drinker.

First of all Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, not a single thing. No links.

If the kill ratio is in fact 1000 to 1, that means that around 200,000 terrorists were killed? Hmmm, that number seems a little high to me.

Come on think for yourself. Use some of your "fine" education to form your own thoughts. Don't just repeat nonsense.

Saddam's own archives refutes the no links bull****. So does the 9/11 commission.

:Broncos:

[Orange_Beard]

I dont give a **** if someone is Muslim. I care when they try to kill me. Also, they chose Iraq, so Iraq is where it is. Would you prefer to fight them here?


:Broncos:

I would perer to go after the people who are "really trying to kill you" - Osama, not the people who control the oil fields.

Again, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.

[scorpio]

I dont give a **** if someone is Muslim. I care when they try to kill me. Also, they chose Iraq, so Iraq is where it is. Would you prefer to fight them here?


:Broncos:


I said it was whack ****, you posted a counter argument indicating that you thought it was not whack ****. Do you agree with what he said or not? If you agree with PART of what he said, then indicate that. Otherwise, your real opinion gets lost in your overwhelming hyperbole.

[sirhcyennek81]

I said it was whack ****, you posted a counter argument indicating that you thought it was not whack ****. Do you agree with what he said or not? If you agree with PART of what he said, then indicate that. Otherwise, your real opinion gets lost in your overwhelming hyperbole.


I never said death to islam. That was the nutbag. I prefer fighting terrorists some place else. Al qaeda chose iraq and afghanistan. I would prefer to kill them there then here. Does that clear it up?

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

I would perer to go after the people who are "really trying to kill you" - Osama, not the people who control the oil fields.

Again, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.


There are ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda stretching back to the mid 1990's. You think saddam was not trying to kill Americans?

:Broncos:

[ignitionnight]

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!
I am ashamed of you and feel sorry for your family.

To be honest, there might have been more American casualties than there have been terrorist casualties. Now, if you want to talk about innocent civilians dying, yeah we are kicking their @$$ in that arena.

[Hogan11]

This about sums it up for me.

[Wes Mantooth]

immortality is one of the perks of being half-man half-demon
Satan:Cheney
Cheney: Yes my Master
Satan: Rise......

[Paladin]

It is sad to read that there are "educated" people who believe that Saddam had anything to do with 9-11. That is such nonsense, trumpted by Bush-Cheaney to justify invading Iraq, an dhas as much validity as the WMDs. But that's okay, stupid people believe stupid things. Afganistan was exactly the right move to begin with, but it begts to be finished. The US will have troops in Afganistan for years. Ditto Iraq. Bush has conceeded that he doesn't know how to get out of Iraq and does not have a plan for either winning or getting out. So,m he is going to leave it to "future Presidents" and future Congresses. Not to mention that our future Great Grandchildren will be paying off the National Debt this corker ran up. (The deficit for 2005 was announced to be about $350 Billion, but that is the cash deficit. The accrued deficit for that year was on the order of $750 Billion. Total deficit is about 8 and one half trillion dollars.)

Saddam was a loud mouth, a terrorist to his own people, and he did try to show some supprt for the Hama bombers in Israel. The fact is, thought, he was darn near broke, and couldn't afford to maintain WMDs. He feared and distrusted al Queada. To say he had anything to do with that group defies known history and politcal facts.

Thje era of Bush and his culture of corruption will enter history as among the most disasterous in American history.

[Crushaholic]

I love the Beach Boys song about Kosovo.

"That's where we wanna go, way down to Ko-suh-vo!"

That was Kokomo, BTW....

[Orange_Beard]

There are ties between Iraq and Al Qaeda stretching back to the mid 1990's. You think saddam was not trying to kill Americans?

:Broncos:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Here you go dude, look at the facts.

[broncohaven]

How many terrorist attacks on America soil prior to Bush? Oh God , lets see. Umm, WTC bombing 1993, USS Cole bombing (A US Warship is considered American territory) countless US embassy bombings in Africa (embassy's are considered soverign American soil), the list goes on and on under Clintons watch. As for killing Americans in their backyard, I believe the kill ratio is what 1,000 terrorists to every 1 American soldier? I'd much rather kill muslims in their backyard then in my backyard! DEATH TO ISLAM!
They say the best way to expose an idiot is to allow him the freedom to express himself. Thank you for giving a real life example to support that theory.

[Orange_Beard]

They say the best way to expose an idiot is to allow him the freedom to express himself. Thank you for giving a real life example to support that theory.


Amen.

[bendog]

No way. I never thought Al Davis would go into politics.
let's just pray A$ doesn't go bird hunting with dead eye dick

[BroncoBen]

The era of Bush and his culture of corruption will enter history as among the most disasterous in American history.

I just picked up this bumper sticker 'W orst ever'.

That about sums it all up. Taking a page from the Neo-cons two word culture.

And you know what? I get a lot of honks and thumbs up, I have yet to have any problems. Don't see many 'W' decals anymore.

Maybe, just maybe the country is waking up.

[TailgateNut]

I never said death to islam. That was the nutbag. I prefer fighting terrorists some place else. Al qaeda chose iraq and afghanistan. I would prefer to kill them there then here. Does that clear it up?

:Broncos:

We (that's the Bush war machine) chose the battlefield. They went there on the pretense of hunting Osama, and once we got there we just plain gave up on the original excuse and focused on our new occupation (not job related)!
When you wake up in the morning you should drink coffee, not KOOL AID!

[Orange_Beard]

When you wake up in the morning you should drink coffee, not KOOL AID!

Great quote, Do you mind if I add this to my sig?

[Drek]

If the Republican party screw McCain again, like they did when Bush got the nod over him almost 8 years ago, I'll be mildly pissed to say the least.

McCain isn't perfect, but he's the most moderate, rational, candidate for the upcoming presidency from either party. All this my party v. your party bull**** needs to end soon and this country needs to focus on pressing threats and issues before they boil over and become global crisis.

[Orange_Beard]

If the Republican party screw McCain again, like they did when Bush got the nod over him almost 8 years ago, I'll be mildly pissed to say the least.

McCain isn't perfect, but he's the most moderate, rational, candidate for the upcoming presidency from either party. All this my party v. your party bull**** needs to end soon and this country needs to focus on pressing threats and issues before they boil over and become global crisis.

I pretty much agree, at least he is not a religious nut

[TailgateNut]

Great quote, Do you mind if I add this to my sig?


Be my guest!
I guess if you're a child (wet behind the ears) it's ok to go for milk and kool aid, but the voting public needs to wake up and smell the "coffee"!
We had way to many uninformed voters casting votes during the last election. Education is the key to making informed decisions. I believe voting is a priviledge, but voters have an obligation to know the issues and cadidates. Otherwise they should stay the Fvck at home on election day!

[Orange_Beard]

Be my guest!
I guess if you're a child (wet behind the ears) it's ok to go for milk and kool aid, but the voting public needs to wake up and smell the "coffee"!
We had way to many uninformed voters casting votes during the last election. Education is the key to making informed decisions. I believe voting is a priviledge, but voters have an obligation to know the issues and cadidates. Otherwise they should stay the Fvck at home on election day!


Check it out.

[bendog]

We (that's the Bush war machine) chose the battlefield. They went there on the pretense of hunting Osama, and once we got there we just plain gave up on the original excuse and focused on our new occupation (not job related)!
When you wake up in the morning you should drink coffee, not KOOL AID!
The real reason all along was occupation. Chalbie (most likely an Iranian spy) sold the neocons on the notion that iraq would unite and let us keep our permanent bases. Chalibie is allied with Sadr, who's also funded by Iran, as is the current prime minister who is refusing to step aside and let a coalition govt be formed. Bushii has been jobbed from day one by Iran.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

If the Republican party screw McCain again, like they did when Bush got the nod over him almost 8 years ago, I'll be mildly pissed to say the least.

McCain isn't perfect, but he's the most moderate, rational, candidate for the upcoming presidency from either party. All this my party v. your party bull**** needs to end soon and this country needs to focus on pressing threats and issues before they boil over and become global crisis.
I doubt very seriously that the republican "core" will allow McCain to be their man. I'm hoping Richardson or Tancredo will get legitimate shots from their party to run.

[BroncoBen]

We had way to many uninformed voters casting votes during the last election. Education is the key to making informed decisions. I believe voting is a priviledge, but voters have an obligation to know the issues and cadidates. Otherwise they should stay the Fvck at home on election day!

This is very insightful, I agree. The majority of the voters have a short attention span; they buy into this ‘Two word’ culture that the Republican Media machine pushes (Flip Flop, Same-sex marriage, War on Terror, Fight them There, etc).

People are too busy watching American Idol than what is going on in this country, they just remember the Buzz words on election day not the heart of the issues.

[bendog]

I just accepted that bushii was just lying no more than all politicians do when he promised no nation building with the army, a tax cut that wouldn't explode the deficit, and partial privitization of social security.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You tell them I'm coming . . . and Hell's coming with me!

:)

Wyatt Earp: You tell him I'm coming! And hell's coming with me you hear?! Hells coming with me!

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[freak6]

I just picked up this bumper sticker 'W orst ever'.

That about sums it all up. Taking a page from the Neo-cons two word culture.

And you know what? I get a lot of honks and thumbs up, I have yet to have any problems. Don't see many 'W' decals anymore.

Maybe, just maybe the country is waking up.

Ben, where'd you get the W orst sticker. I had by W stickers with the red line through them for awhile.

[freak6]

If the Republican party screw McCain again, like they did when Bush got the nod over him almost 8 years ago, I'll be mildly pissed to say the least.

McCain isn't perfect, but he's the most moderate, rational, candidate for the upcoming presidency from either party. All this my party v. your party bull**** needs to end soon and this country needs to focus on pressing threats and issues before they boil over and become global crisis.

Why is McCain kissing the Worst President Ever's a$$ at every turn, and pandering to the psychos by giving the commencement at Liberty University?

McCain had a chance to unify this country and run with Kerry, but he turned his back on his country and fell back like a coward behind his corrupt party, instead of standing up with a fellow Vietnam Veteran to get this country headed in the right direction. Even sadder that he did this after his own party stabbed him in the back in the S.C. primaries that you alluded to.

How much better off would this country be with those two patriots running it, than this corrupt bunch of POS that do. I know that NASA scientists wouldn't be hushed and forced into silence about our climate. I know Iraq and my brothers and sisters there would be better off. I could go on and on.

[Merlin]

It is amazing that in this day-in-age there are still ignorant people making the assumption that Iraq was in any way associated with 9/11 and/or Al qaeda. There has never been ANY evidence associating the two. The 9/11 commission concluded Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with it. Even the Bush administration finally admitted in 2004, and blamed their conclusions on faulty intelligence, even though all strong intelligence pointed to the contrary.

Now as to your brave neo-cons who fight against terror, those cowards wanted to let Al qaeda get away with it. In fact, initially Powell was the only senior official arguing to take the war to the enemy, but the neo-cons were affraid they would be embroiled in an ugly land war, and it has always been a wet dream for the neo-cons to invade Iraq (Wolfowitz wrote a paper on it before 9/11 even occured). They assumed that Iraq would be the cake walk and Afghanistan the hell whole. Despite the Pentagon's arguments, they held their ground. However, Bush in all his "wisdom" decided to take a vote with his top officials to decide which exact retribution upon, luckily Powel's hand won. But sadly his win was just momentary, and eventually the neo-cons got their wish (and memos going between UK and USA leaders show WMD had nothing to do with it).

BTW, not only were the ignorant neo-cons wrong about Afghanistan, but they were absolutely wrong about Iraq. The Pentagon however was right about Iraq, but why listen to the professionals when the amateur, agenda driven decision makers will do.

PS In 1997 Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz were charter members of the PNAC, a neo-conservative think tank. At the time they strongly advocated preemptive U.S. military intervention against Iraq and other "potential aggressor states" to "protect our vital interests in the Gulf". Obviously OIL was never part of the equation, their motivations were always about terrorism.

PPS All of this information is well documented, and for those of you who would like to learn more about the war, you just have to do a little research (just ignore sound bites from both sides of the isle). However, those of you who would rather be driven by dogma and ideology would be better off remaining on course, just be aware your claims can be easily disproven.

[Merlin]

A little background on how the intelligence was analysed by Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz:

Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz felt that established security services were beauracratic and “too traditional in their thinking.” Therefore, they decided to borrow an idea from their old Team B (an analyst group that wrote a paper about the Soviet Union) days in the 80s. The group they created was known as the ‘cabal’, a cell of eight or nine analysts in a new Office of Special Plans (OSP) based in the U.S. Defense Department.” According to a Pentagon source quoted by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker the OSP “was created in order to find evidence of what Wolfowitz and his boss, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, believed to be true—that Saddam Hussein had close ties to Al Qaeda, and that Iraq had an enormous arsenal of chemical, biological, and possibly even nuclear weapons that threatened the region and, potentially, the United States

Such a strategy needles to say, is a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you want to prove one perspective, then you will ignore all evidence to the contrary. BTW, that Team B, that he used as a model produced the most inflamatory and erroneous paper about the Soviet Union in its time. Its purpose was to undermine the CIA intelligence (sound familiar), but all its premises and conclusions proved at best wrong, and at worst fabricated. See a pattern here?

[bendog]

Merlin, do you assume that either Rummy or Wolfy ever actually believed that Saddam's womd programs posed any near term threat to inflicting thousands of deaths in the continental US?

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=15376&stc=1&d=1145419140

I love the smell of my smug. *sniff*.

[TailgateNut]

Merlin, do you assume that either Rummy or Wolfy ever actually believed that Saddam's womd programs posed any near term threat to inflicting thousands of deaths in the continental US?


Although we (some of us) may call them (this admiistration) idiots because of the results of their actions, these guys are masters of deception, and those who believe are the true idiots!

[Hogan11]

McCain a moderate? :spit:

You people really need to check out his voting record. He comes across as a somewhat populist guy because he shoots his mouth off on occasion....but a moderate, he surely ain't.

I have a bad feeling that a lot of people are going to be suckered by this guy if he runs in 2008.

[Merlin]

Merlin, do you assume that either Rummy or Wolfy ever actually believed that Saddam's womd programs posed any near term threat to inflicting thousands of deaths in the continental US?
Where did I imply or state that? My only statement regarding their conclusions was the deck was fixed, so it was not surprising they would draw such conclusions. Moreover, Wolfy has a history of producing EXTREMELY poor reports to the Executive branch with regards to intelligence on war/weaponry matters. Instead, I would argue that all intelligence at the time leaned strongly against their position, thus leading to the memo from Bush to Blair regarding his intentions to invade Iraq regardless of Saddam's actions (i.e. he decides to step down).

[watermock]

First, Cheney isn't going to run, second Hillary will. I can see the dining table arguments allready.

Use your imagination, it's not that hard.

[watermock]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=900&dateline=1145317152

Another great thinker

[freak6]

Hey Merlin, what do you make of the report that Hersh filed stating sources in the CIA that they themselves actually created the COMPLETELY OBVIOUS fake documents about the yellowcake buy in Niger as a joke/wakeup call to the psycho drumbeaters in the White House, but that they were so crazed for war that they actually took this obviously fabricated piece of intel as the truth, and used it in the fkn State of the Union.

And why haven't I put Mock on ignore yet? It's not even humorous anymore, just sad.

[Merlin]

Hey Merlin, what do you make of the report that Hersh filed stating sources in the CIA that they themselves actually created the COMPLETELY OBVIOUS fake documents...
Well, someone fabricated it, and judging by their treatment of the CIA agent that got exposed, the WH knew it, and was trying to cover it up (while also sending a message to other "dissenters"). However, I doubt the actual CIA produced/sanctioned the creation of the document, but someone involved with the CIA could have facilitated the process (in an unofficial manner).

[dnvrbrncos]

Why is McCain kissing the Worst President Ever's a$$ at every turn, and pandering to the psychos by giving the commencement at Liberty University?

McCain had a chance to unify this country and run with Kerry, but he turned his back on his country and fell back like a coward behind his corrupt party, instead of standing up with a fellow Vietnam Veteran to get this country headed in the right direction. Even sadder that he did this after his own party stabbed him in the back in the S.C. primaries that you alluded to.

How much better off would this country be with those two patriots running it, than this corrupt bunch of POS that do. I know that NASA scientists wouldn't be hushed and forced into silence about our climate. I know Iraq and my brothers and sisters there would be better off. I could go on and on.

Thanks for the chuckle. I enjoy irony. Let's "unify the country" by hurling insults such as "psychos", "turned his back", "coward", "corrupt party", "corrupt bunch of POS", and "forced into silence". It certainly sounds like you are interested in unifying the country.

[bendog]

Where did I imply or state that? My only statement regarding their conclusions was the deck was fixed, so it was not surprising they would draw such conclusions. Moreover, Wolfy has a history of producing EXTREMELY poor reports to the Executive branch with regards to intelligence on war/weaponry matters. Instead, I would argue that all intelligence at the time leaned strongly against their position, thus leading to the memo from Bush to Blair regarding his intentions to invade Iraq regardless of Saddam's actions (i.e. he decides to step down).
I did not imply that you meant it, I merely asked if you assumed it was a "mistake" or an intentional lie. I don't think there's any doubt it was a lie.

As to where the lie came from, it came from Italy. Berscoloni's govt, a bushii ally in the neocon movt, got a forged doc. They knew it was forged. Ledeen, one of Rove's guys, came to Italy, got it, and brought it back to Rove. How can a rational person not know that the WH knowingly used forged intell? And, that's the real reason Rove is being given a freedom medal and posted to .... God knows.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/rove_ledeen_forged_documents.htm

http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/07/3674.php

[BroncoBen]

Ben, where'd you get the W orst sticker. I had by W stickers with the red line through them for awhile.

Here is the sticker and where I got it....

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1635682/i/Worst-ever-Magnet.gif

http://www.xpressyourview.com/stickers___magnets

[Orange4ever]

Last time I checked Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than George Bush!!

[bendog]

Last time I checked Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than George Bush!!
God damn, Ted must be a mass murderer then.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Last time I checked Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than George Bush!!
:oyvey:
Sure, if you don't count the wars Bush started and the Americans killed because of them (and the 100,000 Iraqis).

[Hogan11]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=900&dateline=1145317152

Another great thinker

Another joke that totally went over your head

[freak6]

Thanks for the chuckle. I enjoy irony. Let's "unify the country" by hurling insults such as "psychos", "turned his back", "coward", "corrupt party", "corrupt bunch of POS", and "forced into silence". It certainly sounds like you are interested in unifying the country.

People that think that man walked with dinosaurs are "psychos".

He did turn his back on his country when he stood behind Bush instead of with Kerry. It was a "coward" move imo, because he wanted to run in 2008, rather than present a unified America to the world. How much better would it be??

"Corrupt" and "corrupt party", well lets see, who is being indicted this week. That's a no brainer. And yes, NASA scientists were silenced, and enviromental reports were vetted by WH staff.

[ro_50]

Chaney in 2008, the funniest thing I've heard all day or for that matter, this entire month.

He just needs to disappear come '08 and I will be good w/ that.

[ro_50]

Ben, where'd you get the W orst sticker. I had by W stickers with the red line through them for awhile.


I had a W bumper sticker w/ a red line through it until someone took it off of my car one day while my car was parked at my apartment.

But I guess that what happens when you are a Liberal in the Deep South.

[Merlin]

I did not imply that you meant it, I merely asked if you assumed it was a "mistake" or an intentional lie. I don't think there's any doubt it was a lie.
If it were your avg person, I would say they knew they were lying. The problem (and scary part) is that far too often the WH seems to believe its own spin; and when truth is seen as whatever you define it as, then you start believing some truly strange things. Quite ironic considering how Clinton was (correctly) skewered for his legalisms while being questioned by the SP's office.

As to Wolfie and Rumsfeld, I do think they knowingly misdirect (but they believe in a grander truth that supercedes mundane truth).

[alkemical]

cheney is really one of the lizard people (see david icke for more details)

[freak6]

Those articles are great Bendog. Crazy stuff.

[watermock]

This is another idiodic scum.

[watermock]

Another joke that totally went over your head

There isn't a joke, it's your own image. Your not even worthy of an insult.

Over my head with a joint, keg and pizza. Your right on track there punk.

[Hogan11]

There isn't a joke, it's your own image. Your not even worthy of an insult.

Over my head with a joint, keg and pizza. Your right on track there punk.

You have no clue as to what it's a spoof of, do you? Since you don't, this then is really just you spouting off about something without knowing what the hell you're talking about...as usual.

As I said, it sailed over your head.....way over it.

[alkemical]

it's a bird, it's a plane - no wait - it's hogan's point above mock's head!

[scorpio]

Last time I checked Ted Kennedy's car killed more people than George Bush!!

Ha ha, Ted Kennedy's car has killed as many people as Laura Bush's car.