Denver's foe to be K.C, Walker trade, Draft competion for Recievers

[dragondawg]

Denver's chief foe appears to be K.C.
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post NFL, Broncos Beat Reporter



Sure, it's five months from the start of the season, but one thing is becoming evident for the Broncos: Beware of Kansas City.

The Broncos' primary obstacle in defending their first AFC West Division championship in seven years is Kansas City. Many league observers expect the Chiefs to make a run at the West and the Super Bowl.

Under new coach Herman Edwards, the Chiefs have worked to improve their defense to complement an offense that was the most dangerous in the NFL by the end of the 2005 season.

The San Diego Chargers and the Oakland Raiders have not helped themselves thus far. Both teams might have taken a step back since the end of the season.

San Diego raised eyebrows by letting quarterback Drew Brees walk, thus putting its future in the hands of an inexperienced Philip Rivers. San Diego's overall roster is as impressive and talented as any in the NFL, but it comes down to the quarterback. Rivers essentially will be a rookie, and barring a Ben Roethlisberger-like anomaly, the Chargers will be facing some growing pains.

Oakland, coming off 13 wins combined the past three seasons, arguably has gotten weaker this offseason. The Raiders should be able to find an instant contributor with the No. 7 pick in the draft, but they are not a threat to win the West.

Receiver sweepstakes

Miami will be a team to watch on draft day. The Dolphins have the No. 16 pick, following the Broncos' first of two first-rounders.

There is word the Dolphins are interested in receivers Chad Jackson of Florida and Ohio State's Santonio Holmes. Because Denver is expected to seriously consider drafting a receiver early, Miami might feel the need to trade up - likely during the draft.

Denver and Miami also might have to contend with Philadelphia, which picks No. 14, and St. Louis, at No. 11, in the receiver sweepstakes.

Jackson and Holmes - both scheduled to visit Denver this week - are the highest-rated receivers in the draft, but neither is considered a top-10 pick.

Walker Denver-bound?

There is speculation in Green Bay the Packers will grant Javon Walker his wish and deal him. If Walker is traded, is it likely to happen draft week or during the draft.

Denver has talked to Green Bay about the disgruntled receiver. The Broncos, along with the Eagles and the 49ers, are expected to make a strong push for Walker.

Green Bay has maintained it expects Walker to stay. But if a good enough offer comes along, including a draft pick, it might be tempting for the Packers to rid themselves of the distraction Walker is sure to create. If Denver is the trading partner with Green Bay, the deal likely would happen on draft day.

Giving receivers

Two other veteran receivers might be available. Detroit might listen to offers for Charles Rogers, and New Orleans would entertain offers for Donte' Stallworth.

It's a weak draft for receivers, so these two could command interest. But neither team would get much in return. Both players have been disappointments on the field and have had off-field issues. But each has the talent to be worth a flier.

[Play2win]

O.K., I just got done writing a paper one messed up paper on Tennessee Williams and A Streetcar Named Desire, and I sure as hell not gonning to read some BULL Willliamson BILL-SH!T!!!

[SoCalBronco]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3715898

[Odysseus]

There needs to be a warning label on any posts quoting Bill Williamson. Somebody go wake that guy up and tell him to get out of his mom's basement and get a real job! Geez! That guy is starting to piss me off. What a frigging retard.

Beat reporter? Everytime I read his articles it's exactly what I feel like. I got beat. Conned. Hustled. pimped again.

That guys needs to get a job at Taco Bell. He's probably get fired for not keeping up with the menu changes or eating all the food. I take back anything bad I every said about Woody or Adam Schefter. Oh dear God. Does anybody know a good pie man? I want a chocolate cream pasting that guy's face. He'd probably post up here requesting regular pie delivery.

Would people please put a BW: warning label on these kinds of threads so that I don't have torture myself by clicking on it! Maybe he's a gold fish and will eat himself to death. Get me an address. I'll send him 20 pizzas with salt and hope I can get his heart to pop.

Does anybody know a high school journalist who could take his job? I would rather read Bob's reports on the Broncos than Bill Williamson and Bob sucks...literally. Bob at least has a point of view.

[SoCalBronco]

I would much prefer Walker than drafting Holmes or Jackson in the first round. And I dont think we are going to have to give up a hell of a lot either. Id be surprised if anyone has offered more than a 3 so far based on the injury issue, everything is probably a 2007 pick with a floor/ceiling based on a percentage of snaps. That is actually fine. It could be a 4 that could turn into a 2 or something. That way we could still keep all our 06 picks and take advantage of the strong draft. The bigger issue is the contract. But we have a little room to play with outside of the rookie pool.

It would be really nice not to have to worry about WR in this draft. Just attack the RB, DE, TE positions on Day 1 and the 3 4ths are gravy.

[SoCalBronco]

Does anybody know a high school journalist who could take his job? I would rather read Bob's reports on the Broncos than Bill Williamson and Bob sucks...literally. Bob at least has a point of view.

Actually Bob is a pretty good writer. He has written some good Chiefs and general NFL articles at Warpaint Illustrated. I would definitely take him over Burger Bill.

[Odysseus]

Socal could write better crap than this and he's not even in Denver!
Atlas could write better crap than this typing with his elbows!
We have posters here with less than 100 posts who could bury this guy!
Wabbit writes better stuff just by insulting Chiefs posters!

I am calling bullsh*t. I'm sick of this guy....again.

[SoCalBronco]

Socal could write better crap than this and he's not even in Denver!
Atlas could write better crap than this typing with his elbows!
We have posters here with less than 100 posts who could bury this guy!
Wabbit writes better stuff just by insulting Chiefs posters!

I am calling bullsh*t. I'm sick of this guy....again.

http://www.vintageip.com/hotdog/homeplatesteve.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2005/1013/20051013_091804_broncos_mailbag_100_logo_2004.jpg

Seriously...its the same guy.

[epicSocialism4tw]

SoCal, I feel my arteries getting slammed just by viewing that picture! Yuck!

[Rock Chalk]

Socal could write better crap than this and he's not even in Denver!
Atlas could write better crap than this typing with his elbows!
We have posters here with less than 100 posts who could bury this guy!
Wabbit writes better stuff just by insulting Chiefs posters!

I am calling bullsh*t. I'm sick of this guy....again.
Dude, IM so glad your over there shooting terrorists.

Burger Bill might not make another article if they ever ship you home.

[Odysseus]

Actually Bob is a pretty good writer. He has written some good Chiefs and general NFL articles at Warpaint Illustrated. I would definitely take him over Burger Bill.

Bob (Go Chiefs) as the new Broncos beat reporter?! LOL I love it.

[Odysseus]

Dude, IM so glad your over there shooting terrorists.

Burger Bill might not make another article if they ever ship you home.

It's the testosterone. It rots the brain. ROFL!

[watermock]

I have allready explained this. Burger Bill gets his scoops of chocolate off here.

This isn't delusional, it's happend at least a half dozen times.

Under new coach Herman Edwards, the Chiefs have worked to improve their defense to complement an offense that was the most dangerous in the NFL by the end of the 2005 season.


Going from 30 to 25 is a huge improvement? Was that offense the most dangerous in the NFL at the end of the season?

If you can't see he's reguritating like some King Penguin it's comedy. All he does is regurgitate.

[Lestat]

with all this Walker talk starting back up & Driver saying GB needs to let Javon go it seems like Denver is in perfect position to strike

but GB is likely to want a bundle of good picks or a 1st & Denver isn't dumb enough to do that & fork over a hefty pay day(see John Abraham)

[eddie mac]

with all this Walker talk starting back up & Driver saying GB needs to let Javon go it seems like Denver is in perfect position to strike

but GB is likely to want a bundle of good picks or a 1st & Denver isn't dumb enough to do that & fork over a hefty pay day(see John Abraham)

No-one will give them a 2nd rounder let alone a 1st for Walker. Far too many questionmarks with that injury. JHC Culpepper was only worth a 2nd.

[eddie mac]

Can anyone enlighten me how KC have improved since last year??? Afterall how did Edward's former team fare last year under his tutalidge???

[Odysseus]

Can anyone enlighten me how KC have improved since last year??? Afterall how did Edward's former team fare last year under his tutalidge???

You mispelled a word. It's spelled under Herm's mediocrity.

[Garcia Bronco]

If we could get Walker and Vernon Davis ...I would be happy with that.

[elsid13]

If we could get Walker and Vernon Davis ...I would be happy with that.


Which means that what we end up with Charles Rodgers and bag of donuts. It could be worse we could end up with UVA or VT product.

[Garcia Bronco]

Which means that what we end up with Charles Rodgers and bag of donuts. It could be worse we could end up with UVA or VT product.


yeah...yeah....:)

[gunns]

Can anyone enlighten me how KC have improved since last year

Thank you, I thought I was the only one missing something here.

Bill has also fallen for the "Denver wants a WR" BS. I don't believe Denver will take a WR in the first round, I do think we are worried about St. Louis and Philly AND Baltimore picking a defensive player we may want, not a WR. And I think the Walker BS is just that. He's not worth two first round picks, especially with the questions on that injury. I would prefer looking at Donte Stallworth and not to trade up. Yes I would be happy with Vernon Davis, but not if we sell the farm to get him.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I
Going from 30 to 25 is a huge improvement? Was that offense the most dangerous in the NFL at the end of the season?



We improved our points per game by a full touchdown. That's a huge improvement.

And our offense was smoking at the end of the year. Larry Johnson was ripping people new assholes and the passing game was flourishing.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can anyone enlighten me how KC have improved since last year???

We improved our coaching staff. That's about it.

No one in the AFC West has really done much this offseaon. San Diego and Oakland got worse. That leaves the Chiefs and the Broncos.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

but GB is likely to want a bundle of good picks or a 1st & Denver isn't dumb enough to do that & fork over a hefty pay day(see John Abraham)

Take it FWIW, I read over on a GB board and I've seen nothing in print to back it up, but a GB fan claimed he had heard that Denver had offered the most for Walker and it was only a 4th.

[eddie mac]

Take it FWIW, I read over on a GB board and I've seen nothing in print to back it up, but a GB fan claimed he had heard that Denver had offered the most for Walker and it was only a 4th.

That would be a steal Herc. If it does go down, you think Ash will be traded during/prior to the draft???

[DrFate]

That would be a steal Herc. If it does go down, you think Ash will be traded during/prior to the draft???

That would be a big risk considering Walker's knee injury.

[JCMElway]

Have you met Williamson while around Dove Valley. Does he look as clueless as his columns indicate?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That would be a steal Herc. If it does go down, you think Ash will be traded during/prior to the draft???

It would, but GB walked away from it, so I doubt there's a chance it's going to happen. But if it's true, it's good to know that the Broncos were the high bidder.

I'd hope they'd trade Lelie if they could get some real value for him, but if it was a similar return to what they gave up for Walker, just keep him this year and let him walk afterwards.

[eddie mac]

It would, but GB walked away from it, so I doubt there's a chance it's going to happen. But if it's true, it's good to know that the Broncos were the high bidder.

I'd hope they'd trade Lelie if they could get some real value for him, but if it was a similar return to what they gave up for Walker, just keep him this year and let him walk afterwards.

Well fvck that. If we had traded for Walker then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have wasted a 1st rd pick on Jackson or Holmes, which I think is what we'll do now.
Double Damn.

[Paladin]

Well fvck that. If we had traded for Walker then I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have wasted a 1st rd pick on Jackson or Holmes, which I think is what we'll do now.
Double Damn.

Not necessarily. I can see two D picks in the 1st with Stovall coming in the second. The problem would be how to get Fasano since they don't have a third.

[12th man]

[QUOTE=dragondawg]Denver's chief foe appears to be K.C.
Beware of Kansas City.

The Broncos' primary obstacle in defending their first AFC West Division championship in seven years is Kansas City. Many league observers expect the Chiefs to make a run at the West and the Super Bowl.QUOTE]


LOL this is terrible. I agree that our "threat" for the west is KC, but we are far better than that team, and he thinks they are sb contenders. wow. besides kc fan he is the only shmuck that beleives this. Loser! many beleive the cheifs are sb contenders.:rofl: only him.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

LOL this is terrible. I agree that our "threat" for the west is KC, but we are far better than that team

Really? Who won the last time we squared off?

[azbroncfan]

Really? Who won the last time we squared off?
How come you always only mention 1 game from the past year?

[Florida_Bronco]

Really? Who won the last time we squared off?

Who was in the playoffs?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

How come you always only mention 1 game from the past year?

Because it is KC's Super Bowl

[boltaneer]

I'll be shocked if the Chiefs start off this year where they left off last year. They practically have a whole new coaching staff. A lot of that is on the defensive side so maybe that's not such a bad thing for them. Unfortunately for them however, Gunter is still in charge.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I'll be shocked if the Chiefs start off this year where they left off last year. They practically have a whole new coaching staff. A lot of that is on the defensive side so maybe that's not such a bad thing for them. Unfortunately for them however, Gunter is still in charge.

We have a new DEFENSIVE staff. The offensive staff is near identical. So are the players that beat your ass 20-7.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

How come you always only mention 1 game from the past year?

When someone says the Broncos are "far better" than the Chiefs, I can't help but laugh. Yeah you won three more games, but we won the last matchup. You never beat us as a full-strength team last year.

You were better last year, for sure. But "far better?" No way.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

We have a new DEFENSIVE staff. The offensive staff is near identical. So are the players that beat your ass 20-7.

God it must suck to sit there and have the only thing you can brag about from last season is winning just the home game against a divisional opponent.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

God it must suck to sit there and have the only thing you can brag about from last season is winning just the home game against a divisional opponent.

I was addressing a dip**** Chargers fan who accomplished even less last year. We're in far better shape than they are.

[elsid13]

God it must suck to sit there and have the only thing you can brag about from last season is winning just the home game against a divisional opponent.

Let the fools have their cake.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

You were better last year, for sure. But "far better?" No way.

2nd best regular season record in the NFL and went to the conference championship game vs. a team that did not make the playoffs.

Yeah, Denver was only slightly better last year.

[elsid13]

I was addressing a dip**** Chargers fan who accomplished even less last year. We're in far better shape than they are.


Yeah you have the new and improved Marty version - Herm

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I was addressing a dip**** Chargers fan who accomplished even less last year. We're in far better shape than they are.

Bull****. You already mentioned your win at Arrowhead last December.

You've twice bragged about winning the home game against a divisional opponent in this thread.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

2nd best regular season record in the NFL and went to the conference championship game vs. a team that did not make the playoffs.

Yeah, Denver was only slightly better last year.

Three games better. Not that huge of a difference. As evidenced when we played you at full strength late in the year.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Three games better. Not that huge of a difference. As evidenced when we played you at full strength late in the year.

It's only a 16 game season ace.

13-3 vs. 10-6 is a pretty big difference as evidenced by the #2 seed and a bye and KC at home for the playoffs, again.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

It's only a 16 game season ace.

13-3 vs. 10-6 is a pretty big difference as evidenced by the #2 seed and a bye and KC at home for the playoffs, again.

OK, whatever. We beat you. You weren't "far better" than us at the end of last year. If you were, you would have beaten us. End of story.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

OK, whatever. We beat you. You weren't "far better" than us at the end of last year. If you were, you would have beaten us. End of story.

Congrats on winning the home game in one of the league's biggest rivalries, it apparently helps get you through the offseason.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Congrats on winning the home game in one of the league's biggest rivalries, it apparently helps get you through the offseason.

That goes for pretty much every fan of any team. How do you think Raider fans feel about getting swept three years in a row? I can only imagine. :rofl:

[azbroncfan]

OK, whatever. We beat you. You weren't "far better" than us at the end of last year. If you were, you would have beaten us. End of story.

This post proves your an itiot, Road wins are hard in NFL regardless of who you are playing, teams only hope to win 50 percent of road games and all of the home games for 12-4 which is usually good enough for a bye and possibly home field. YOu don't see any of us dwelling on the ass beating the chiefs recieved on Monday night do you. Congradulations you won a close game and you SB. I guess when your a chef fan you don't have to worry about playoffs and SB. Playoffs?" Playoffs? we are just trying to win a game.

[boltaneer]

We have a new DEFENSIVE staff. The offensive staff is near identical. So are the players that beat your ass 20-7.

Uh, do you even follow your own team?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaching_staff/

New Offensive Coordinator.
New Tight End coach.
New O-line coach.
New Offensive Assistant/Quality Control coach.
New Assistant to the Head Coach/Offense.

And who beat who on October 30 last year?

[ZachKC]

Uh, do you even follow your own team?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaching_staff/

New Offensive Coordinator.
New Tight End coach.
New O-line coach.
New Offensive Assistant/Quality Control coach.
New Assistant to the Head Coach/Offense.

And who beat who on October 30 last year?
Oline coach moved to OC...when you do that someone else needs to become oline coach...starting to see how this is shaping up?

Same coaches for the most part.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Uh, do you even follow your own team?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/coaching_staff/

New Offensive Coordinator.
New Tight End coach.
New O-line coach.
New Offensive Assistant/Quality Control coach.
New Assistant to the Head Coach/Offense.

And who beat who on October 30 last year?

Half of the offensive staff were on the staff last year, including the RB, WR and QB coaches. I don't really think you'll see a difference in the offense, and our own OC said that much in an interview.

And you didn't get our best in October. LJ wasn't even the starter for crying out loud.

[Ballhawk]

Half of the offensive staff were on the staff last year, including the RB, WR and QB coaches. I don't really think you'll see a difference in the offense, and our own OC said that much in an interview.

And you didn't get our best in October. LJ wasn't even the starter for crying out loud.

Your whole Oline is a year older, Trint is a year older and Gonzo is a year older. I expect the drop off on O to be about what there was from 2004 to the 2005 season.

[boltaneer]

Half of the offensive staff were on the staff last year, including the RB, WR and QB coaches. I don't really think you'll see a difference in the offense, and our own OC said that much in an interview.

And you didn't get our best in October. LJ wasn't even the starter for crying out loud.

First it was: 'The offensive staff is near identical.'

Then it's: 'Same coaches for the most part.'

Now, it's 'half of the offensive staff were on the staff last year.'

So what if your o-line coach was on the team last year. He has a completely new position now. By my count, there are 10 new coaches at the seventeen listed coaching positions on the team, including two very crutial ones: head coach and offensive coordinator. BTW, I'm glad KC got rid of Al Saunders and kept Gunter and not the other way around.

And I could care less if LJ was the starter in whatever game and who won what game. The bottom line is both KC and SD missed the playoffs. Nothing else really matters.

[TexanBob]

Beat reporter?

Not a bad idea....

[DenverBrit]

Oline coach moved to OC...when you do that someone else needs to become oline coach...starting to see how this is shaping up?

Same coaches for the most part.

Well the Chiefs did add David Gibbs as defensive back coach. The same guy the Broncos finally fired for incompetence and not putting Bailey on the best receiver during a game, (forget which) having been told to do so. The Broncos defensive backfield has been a lot better since he left and his input on draft picks went with him.

Hope ya like him.:~ohyah!:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Your whole Oline is a year older, Trint is a year older and Gonzo is a year older. I expect the drop off on O to be about what there was from 2004 to the 2005 season.

So we'll be No. 1 again?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Broncos defensive backfield has been a lot better since he left

Yep. You guys fell about 20 spots in pass defense ranking. Huge improvement.

[Florida_Bronco]

Yep. You guys fell about 20 spots in pass defense ranking. Huge improvement.

Alot of that had to do with lack of pass rush and playing with a lead, if you ask me.

[youcandoit1687]

think there could be a straight trade between the two? i kno that those are rare especially same position but wed be taking their damaged goods for a player who hasnt shown that he is as good,interesting

between lelie and walker that is

[DenverBrit]

Yep. You guys fell about 20 spots in pass defense ranking. Huge improvement.


Really? For someone who seems to live by stats, why didn't you mention the significant increase in interceptions? Baily had a career high. Turnovers are game changers and contributed significantly to the Broncos' 13-3 season. Of course, leaning on stats instead of watching games will lead you astray. The old adage that 'stats are for losers' might apply when used to compensate for real knowledge. :welcome:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Really? For someone who seems to live by stats, why didn't you mention the significant increase in interceptions? Baily had a career high. Turnovers are game changers and contributed significantly to the Broncos' 13-3 season. Of course, leaning on stats instead of watching games will lead you astray. The old adage that 'stats are for losers' might apply when used to compensate for real knowledge. :welcome:

I guess the Chiefs secondary had a fantastic season in 2003, then.

[DenverBrit]

I guess the Chiefs secondary had a fantastic season in 2003, then.


If you believe that, then maybe Gibbs is an upgrade after all.

[Gfunk]

how, exactly, is KC a threat?

they haven't done jack **** to improve that defense... and that defense is PATHETIC

I've never seen RBs just walk through "tackles" like that before (their game at NY, best example)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

they haven't done jack **** to improve that defense...


Turning over most of the coaching staff isn't significant?

It's not like we were the league's worst defense, anyway.

[crazyhorse]

how, exactly, is KC a threat?

they haven't done jack **** to improve that defense... and that defense is PATHETIC

I've never seen RBs just walk through "tackles" like that before (their game at NY, best example)

You should have seen LJ walk through the Denver defense last December. The only difference was the Broncos quit trying.

One way we might be considered a threat is because we keep beating you. I'm just sayin'.

[crazyhorse]

Really? For someone who seems to live by stats, why didn't you mention the significant increase in interceptions? Baily had a career high. Turnovers are game changers and contributed significantly to the Broncos' 13-3 season. Of course, leaning on stats instead of watching games will lead you astray. The old adage that 'stats are for losers' might apply when used to compensate for real knowledge. :welcome:

I think Bailey had a INT in the December game against the Chiefs. Green had 200 yards passing in the 1st half. Without looking at those stats, I can tell you we were marching the ball up and down the field at a fever pitch. I think Greens arm became tired by the 4th quarter, so we ran it for 90 yard instead.

You will be hard pressed to look at those stats and convince yourself that Denvers defense was good. So I can see why you might throw them out.

[Spider]

K.C. a threat .... Hilarious!
well compared to the raiders they could be a threat .........
let me guess though , now that J.Walker might be a chief , he is better then Moss ROFL! ....... Buger Bill been reading to many Chief fans post ..Chief fan Before the Draft .........Chiefs are going to do amazing things ..........
come december ..........
Chief fan ° we are out of the playoffs and your momma is a whore .........

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I think Bailey had a INT in the December game against the Chiefs. Green had 200 yards passing in the 1st half. Without looking at those stats, I can tell you we were marching the ball up and down the field at a fever pitch. I think Greens arm became tired by the 4th quarter, so we ran it for 90 yard instead.

You will be hard pressed to look at those stats and convince yourself that Denvers defense was good. So I can see why you might throw them out.

Wow. Denver gave up that many yards to a bunch of old declining fogies?

[crazyhorse]

Wow. Denver gave up that many yards to a bunch of old declining fogies?

Just think what could have happened if thier defense wasn't good.

[crazyhorse]

K.C. a threat .... Hilarious!
well compared to the raiders they could be a threat .........
let me guess though , now that J.Walker might be a chief , he is better then Moss ROFL! ....... Buger Bill been reading to many Chief fans post ..Chief fan Before the Draft .........Chiefs are going to do amazing things ..........
come december ..........
Chief fan ° we are out of the playoffs and your momma is a whore .........

My momma's a whore?

She owes me money.

[DenverBrit]

I think Bailey had a INT in the December game against the Chiefs. Green had 200 yards passing in the 1st half. Without looking at those stats, I can tell you we were marching the ball up and down the field at a fever pitch. I think Greens arm became tired by the 4th quarter, so we ran it for 90 yard instead.

You will be hard pressed to look at those stats and convince yourself that Denvers defense was good. So I can see why you might throw them out.


[B]You must be a Chiefs fan. :wiggle: :
I was referring to the entire season, not just one of the three games the Broncos lost last year. Having said that, I'd agree, Denvers' defense didn't play well at Arrowhead and yet it was a winnable game for either team. The Chiefs at Mile-High, now that was defensive effort that dismantled the Chiefs. So let's talk about THAT game instead. After all, the defensive effort was much more representative of the season. Spin away.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

The Chiefs at Mile-High, now that was defensive effort that dismantled the Chiefs. So let's talk about THAT game instead. After all, the defensive effort was much more representative of the season. Spin away.[/B]

Funny how you only played good defense when we had two scrub offensive tackles in the game and our best running back barely touched the ball.

[Spider]

Ha! have seen paper cuts more of a threat then K.C.

[DenverBrit]

I think Bailey had a INT in the December game against the Chiefs. Green had 200 yards passing in the 1st half. Without looking at those stats, I can tell you we were marching the ball up and down the field at a fever pitch. I think Greens arm became tired by the 4th quarter, so we ran it for 90 yard instead.

You will be hard pressed to look at those stats and convince yourself that Denvers defense was good. So I can see why you might throw them out.


You must be a Chiefs fan. :wiggle: :
I was referring to the entire season, not just one of the three games the Broncos lost last year. Having said that, I'd agree, Denvers' defense didn't play well at Arrowhead and yet it was a winnable game for either team. The Chiefs at Mile-High, now that was defensive effort that dismantled the Chiefs. So let's talk about THAT game instead......the defensive effort was much more representative of the season. Spin away.

[DenverBrit]

Funny how you only played good defense when we had two scrub offensive tackles in the game and our best running back barely touched the ball.


Excuses are like stats, for losers!

[crazyhorse]

You must be a Chiefs fan. :wiggle: :
I was referring to the entire season, not just one of the three games the Broncos lost last year. Having said that, I'd agree, Denvers' defense didn't play well at Arrowhead and yet it was a winnable game for either team. The Chiefs at Mile-High, now that was defensive effort that dismantled the Chiefs. So let's talk about THAT game instead......the defensive effort was much more representative of the season. Spin away.

Injuries.

Further, over the "entire season" you ranked as one of the worst pass defenses in the league.

Let me guess...it's because your offense was sooo good right. Thats why your pass defense sucked. I've heard the excuses too many times. You know what they say about excuses.....? They're like stats.

[crazyhorse]

Excuses are like stats, for losers!

So tell why you lost against the Chiefs again. Loser.

[Spider]

I was just wondering , who has more excuses Chief fan or Raider fan

[watermock]

We improved our coaching staff. That's about it.

No one in the AFC West has really done much this offseaon. San Diego and Oakland got worse. That leaves the Chiefs and the Broncos.

Oh Brother Boobster, you think losing Dick4meal and Saunders an upgrade?

As noted earlier, be careful what you with for mock...Woody and Mr. Marathon Shyster don't look so bad.

Kaylore would make a good beat reporter if the damn broncos would give him credentials. He has a job and I think he is still taking some classes but still digs out more than Burger Bill.

[DenverBrit]

So tell why you lost against the Chiefs again. Loser.


Personal attack already?? :rofl:

Denver didn't play well...no excuse, no stats. Are you always this obtuse?

[DenverBrit]

[QUOTE=crazyhorse]Injuries.

Excuses, excuses. You and Bob are joined at the hip.

[crazyhorse]

Personal attack already?? :rofl:

Denver didn't play well...no excuse, no stats. Are you always this obtuse?

Loser was your word. Not mine. Dont be so thin skinned. You'll get blistered.

Further, that "excuse" turned out to hold some merit in the rematch.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Oh Brother Boobster, you think losing Dick4meal and Saunders an upgrade?


I was talking about the defense. Try to keep up.

[DenverBrit]

Further, over the "entire season" you ranked as one of the worst pass defenses in trhe league.

Let me guess...it's because your offense was sooo good right. Thats why your pass defense sucked. I've heard the excuses too masny times. You know what they say about excuses.....? They're like stats.


You managed to get excuses AND stats in the same post. Well done. LOL

[watermock]

That would be a big risk considering Walker's knee injury.

Walkers injury wasn't like Cullpeppers. It also happened the first game, not in November. Doctors are getting better and better at fixing ACL's and rehab is taking less all the time.

Too bad we don't have a third. This deal should be a conditional pick for next year up to a second if he kicks ass.

[watermock]

I was talking about the defense. Try to keep up.

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister
We improved our coaching staff. That's about it.


I didn't see Defense in that comment, plus, the Defensive coaching change was LAST YEAR not this year. Try to keep up. Hilarious!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I didn't see Defense in that comment, plus, the Defensive coaching change was LAST YEAR not this year. Try to keep up. Hilarious!

If you had been following the thread you would know I was referring to the defense.

And we almost completely overhauled our defensive coaching staff. You are clueless.

[DenverBrit]

Loser was your word. Not mine. Dont be so thin skinned. You'll get blistered.

Further, that "excuse" turned out to hold some merit in the rematch.


No, there was no merit in the rematch. Chiefs get slapped at mile-high and win a close game at Arrowhead.

BTW, the term loser was attached to the use of stats and excuses, not to an individual.....I guess you identified with the term though. But you go ahead and spin it anyway you like, I'll respond..

[Bob's your Information Minister]

No, there was no merit in the rematch. Chiefs get slapped at mile-high and win a close game at Arrowhead.


That's not how I see it.

Chiefs play Broncos without their two best offensive tackles and best running back. Chiefs lose.

Chiefs play Broncos at full strength. Chiefs win.

[crazyhorse]

No, there was no merit in the rematch. Chiefs get slapped at mile-high and win a close game at Arrowhead.

BTW, the term loser was attached to the use of stats and excuses, not to an individual.....I guess you identified with the term though. But you go ahead and spin it anyway you like, I'll respond..

I'm a loser, you're the man. I get where you're going. I just can't get there from here.

On another note. Truth=Spin.....you know, like stats.

I get it man. You're brilliant.

[crazyhorse]

That's not how I see it.

Chiefs play Broncos without their two best offensive tackles and best running back. Chiefs lose.

Chiefs play Broncos at full strength. Chiefs win.

There's no stats here. There has to be at least some thruth to it.

[12th man]

That's not how I see it.

Chiefs play Broncos without their two best offensive tackles and best running back. Chiefs lose.

Chiefs play Broncos at full strength. Chiefs win.

This is how I see it, and everyone else except kc fans. Denver wins in Mile High 30-10. Denver loses at kc 27-31. Denver makes playoffs and beats the Patriots. KC, not good enough to be in playoffs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is how I see it, and everyone else except kc fans. Denver wins in Mile High 30-10. Denver loses at kc 27-31. Denver makes playoffs and beats the Patriots. KC, not good enough to be in playoffs.

We couldn't compete against playoff teams last year.

[crazyhorse]

We couldn't compete against playoff teams last year.

Except Denver and the Pats. Ironic, huh?

We were the only team to win both games against each other.

[Popps]

Except Denver and the Pats. Ironic, huh?

We were the only team to win both games against each other.

Let's be fair, you only competed in one of the games against us, last year. The other was quite comical.

[watermock]

If you had been following the thread you would know I was referring to the defense.

And we almost completely overhauled our defensive coaching staff. You are clueless.

Wouldn't of Gunther built his staff in 2004? Second, the major coaching changes came on OFFENSE. Wow, you changed some defensive assistants. It was big news. Someone had to take the rap, and it wasn't going to be Gunther.

[azbroncfan]

So tell why you lost against the Chiefs again. Loser.
Because KC scored more pts than Denver, I think that is the only way you can win football games but you can correct me if I'm wrong?

[crazyhorse]

Let's be fair, you only competed in one of the games against us, last year. The other was quite comical.

All I'm sayin'......is that niether of you could beat the Chiefs by the end of the year. Yet you feel like you belonged in the playoffs. Not to mention, brag about being able to beat the Pats. They were weak. In all fairness.

[crazyhorse]

Because KC scored more pts than Denver, I think that is the only way you can win football games but you can correct me if I'm wrong?

You are correct. I'll go one better. We scored more points because we played better football.

[12th man]

All I'm sayin'......is that niether of you could beat the Chiefs by the end of the year. Yet you feel like you belonged in the playoffs. Not to mention, brag about being able to beat the Pats. They were weak. In all fairness.
We did belong in the playoffs. 13-3, second best record in the AFC, won the west. Yeah, I feel that is deserving to belong in the playoffs.

[azbroncfan]

All I'm sayin'......is that niether of you could beat the Chiefs by the end of the year. Yet you feel like you belonged in the playoffs. Not to mention, brag about being able to beat the Pats. They were weak. In all fairness.

If you mulletheads are going to stoop low enough to use injuries as an excuse I think the Pats could say the same thing about why they lost to KC.

[azbroncfan]

Crazy horse, break down your losses to SD, PHI, DAL, Buff, NYG, and whoever else the cheeps lost too with how Den did in same games. Not to mention the cheeps squeeked 2 wins out over the pittiful fade? Denver only lost to NYG out of the losses that the queefs had.

[DenverBrit]

I'm a loser, you're the man. I get where you're going. I just can't get there from here.

On another note. Truth=Spin.....you know, like stats.

I get it man. You're brilliant.


See, that wasn't so difficult, was it? :thanku:

[DenverBrit]

You are correct. I'll go one better. We scored more points because we played better football.


But when you lose it's because you were beaten by a team playing better football, right??

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Wouldn't of Gunther built his staff in 2004? Second, the major coaching changes came on OFFENSE. Wow, you changed some defensive assistants. It was big news. Someone had to take the rap, and it wasn't going to be Gunther.
No, Gunther wasn't allowed to build his own staff. We brought in three new defensive coaches this offseason. Don't kid yourself, the major coaching changes happened on DEFENSE. We maintained offensive continuity by promoting from within and retaining our RB, WR and QB coaches.

[boltaneer]

No, Gunther wasn't allowed to build his own staff. We brought in three new defensive coaches this offseason. Don't kid yourself, the major coaching changes happened on DEFENSE. We maintained offensive continuity by promoting from within and retaining our RB, WR and QB coaches.

January 20, 2006 Promoted Mike Solari to offensive coordinator; named Dick Curl offensive assistant and Tim Krumrie defensive line coach.

January 24, 2006 Named Don Blackmon linebackers coach, John Matsko offensive line coach and Mike Priefer special teams coach.

February 7, 2006 Named Jon Embree tight ends coach, David Gibbs defensive backs coach and Mike Ketchum offensive assistant-quality control.

Looks like five coaching moves on the offensive side and three on the defensive side to me.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

January 20, 2006 Promoted Mike Solari to offensive coordinator; named Dick Curl offensive assistant and Tim Krumrie defensive line coach.

January 24, 2006 Named Don Blackmon linebackers coach, John Matsko offensive line coach and Mike Priefer special teams coach.

February 7, 2006 Named Jon Embree tight ends coach, David Gibbs defensive backs coach and Mike Ketchum offensive assistant-quality control.

Looks like five coaching moves on the offensive side and three on the defensive side to me.


We maintained continuity with the OC, RB, WR and QB coach. Those are the key offensive coaching spots.

Likewise, we completely changed the DB, LB and DL coaches. Those are the key defensive coaching spots.

Our offensive linemen and tight ends are such studs that it doesn't really matter who's coaching them, especially since Solari has background in both of those professions or at least one.

[watermock]

We maintained continuity with the OC, RB, WR and QB coach. Those are the key offensive coaching spots.


You call having your Head coach and Al Saunders leave. WTF are you talking about? Al Saunders was the freakin' asst. head coach/offensive coordinator.

So I suppose losing your assistant head coach not the OC again? Dig your grave deeper Bob. Gibbs hired him as asst. head coach/OC. But it was the defense that got shuffled...well Bob, that's because the defense still sucked, and if Goonther wasn't allowed to bring in his own coaches in his first year by the departed Vermiel, all that shows is he had a limp dick as far as power.

And answer me this, so you changed 5 assistants on offense, 3 on defense and lost your head coach and assistant HC and OC your assume they were good moves? Ha!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2298365

Saunders was there 15 years and had enough of your defense. Vermiel knew the window had closed.

[GreatBronco16]

But when you lose it's because you were beaten by a team playing better football, right??


Nope according to them, it was early in the season and the Chiefs were missing players. Well, atleast bob admitted to it, but boob, stupidho, same damn difference.

[boltaneer]

We maintained continuity with the OC, RB, WR and QB coach. Those are the key offensive coaching spots.

Likewise, we completely changed the DB, LB and DL coaches. Those are the key defensive coaching spots.

Our offensive linemen and tight ends are such studs that it doesn't really matter who's coaching them, especially since Solari has background in both of those professions or at least one.

Offensive coordinators don't have the time to spend coaching the o-line or tight ends if the position coaches are incompetent, most especially during the game, so yes, it does matter who is coaching them.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Offensive coordinators don't have the time to spend coaching the o-line or tight ends if the position coaches are incompetent, most especially during the game, so yes, it does matter who is coaching them.

Not when most of them are all-pros.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Saunders was there 15 years and had enough of your defense. Vermiel knew the window had closed.
Saunders wasn't in KC for 15 straight years. He left because he wasnt going to be the head coach.

Vermeil resigned because he couldn't get a good team over the hump. He was clueless defensively and did a poor job with the defensive coaching staff. And he was overly loyal to scabs like McCleon.

[boltaneer]

Not when most of them are all-pros.

Heh heh. Since KC's offense is so studly, I wonder why they even bother wasting money on an offensive coordinator and position coaches.

What a waste of money!

[Popps]

All I'm sayin'......is that niether of you could beat the Chiefs by the end of the year. Yet you feel like you belonged in the playoffs.

Actually, our 13-3 record is why we feel like we belonged there. I realize that your 3 point win against us represented your Superbowl in K.C... but unfortunately for Mulletville, you don't get into the playoffs "because you beat one team that you really hate."

It's a cumulative things. You guys blew most of the year, then lost to the Cowboys when your season was on the line.

So.... yea.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Heh heh. Since KC's offense is so studly, I wonder why they even bother wasting money on an offensive coordinator and position coaches.

What a waste of money!

We certainly don't need a dumbass like Dick Curl. I'm not too thrilled about him being around.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You guys blew most of the year.

That's interesting.

Did the Broncos blow when they were 10-6 two years in a row?

There are ridiculous double standards around here.

[wabbit]

...
It's a cumulative things. You guys blew most of the year, then lost to the Cowboys when your season was on the line.

So.... yea.

Nah, that stellar effort against Buffalo sealed the deal.

Another season lost, the Chiefys stink again...and again...and again...

[GreatBronco16]

Nah, that stellar effort against Buffalo sealed the deal.

Another season lost, the Chiefys stink again...and again...and again...


But this offseason is different. Their superbowl coach quit, they brought in another whiner coach who has poor clock management, they signed Walls as a bandaid for their secondary.


Hey, KC all the way in 2006. They are the superbowl winners of the offseason once again.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

But this offseason is different. Their superbowl coach quit, they brought in another whiner coach who has poor clock management, they signed Walls as a bandaid for their secondary.
.

Wow. Now Donk fans are blowing Vermeil after he's left.

Vermeil wasn't a very good coach. With the talent level we had, we underachieved. He himself admitted this.

Herm made the playoffs more and won more playoff games than Dick. He's also just what we need...a defensive minded coach.

In my mind this is similar to Tony Dungy coming to Indianapolis.

[SoCalBronco]

Wow. Now Donk fans are blowing Vermeil after he's left.

Vermeil wasn't a very good coach. With the talent level we had, we underachieved. He himself admitted this.

Herm made the playoffs more and won more playoff games than Dick. He's also just what we need...a defensive minded coach.

In my mind this is similar to Tony Dungy coming to Indianapolis.

Says the founder and self proclaimed Supreme Commander of the G[H]erm Warfare movement.

What a hypocrite.

And dont tell me that he has now "impressed" you. Nothing has been done this offseason. Wow he let Gunther have his own coaches...how impressive.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Says the founder and self proclaimed Supreme Commander of the G[H]erm Warfare movement.

What a hypocrite.

And dont tell me that he has now "impressed" you. Nothing has been done this offseason. Wow he let Gunther have his own coaches...how impressive.

Hey, I'm not a hypocrite. I still don't like him. But he does have a more impressive resume in the last few years than Dick. I'm not going to ignore the facts.

Herm has done a decent job this offseason so far, too. I can only complain about two things so far. I'm sure he will begin the fvck-up's once the games start.

[wabbit]

Wow. Now Donk fans are blowing Vermeil after he's left.

Vermeil wasn't a very good coach. With the talent level we had, we underachieved. He himself admitted this.

Herm made the playoffs more and won more playoff games than Dick. He's also just what we need...a defensive minded coach.

In my mind this is similar to Tony Dungy coming to Indianapolis.


Revisionist crap, but to be expected considering the source.

Vermeil took a Rams franchise mired in neverland for twenty years and won a Super Bowl inside of four years.

He put together a superb staff in KC.

You will be extremely lucky to see another coach as capable as Vermeil in the next twenty years, but look at bthe bright side...Carl Peterson is likely to hang around as long as Lamar.

Good luck with that.

[ludo21]

OOOOO MANN.....I sooo hope the Chefs, or Fins jump ahead of us and take C Jackson, that would be great!

[SoCalBronco]

OOOOO MANN.....I sooo hope the Chefs, or Fins jump ahead of us and take C Jackson, that would be great!

I would be really happy if they did that. But watch, Shanny would still go out of his way to **** things up and take Holmes.

[GreatBronco16]

In my mind this is similar to Tony Dungy coming to Indianapolis.


And that has gotten Indy what exactly again?

[DBroncos4life]

And that has gotten Indy what exactly again?
Tony helped Gruden get a ring by pissing talent away in Tampa.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

He put together a superb staff in KC.


That's laughable.

His offensive staff was greatness.

His defensive staff was crap.

Led by a moronic defensive coordinator.

Vermeil couldn't even select his successor (Carl did it) and got another idiot (Gunther).

I'm confident that we'll be a better team if Herm can manage to avoid fvcking up the offense.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

And that has gotten Indy what exactly again?

A couple of blowout playoff wins over the Broncos. Hell, that would be better than sex to most KC fans right now. LOL

[ludo21]

I would be really happy if they did that. But watch, Shanny would still go out of his way to **** things up and take Holmes.


haha, yeah, i could see that.

Or after a tade with the niners (if that happens) we take Jackson Ha!

I can see it now...........

Shanny,"We had to get into a spot where we knew we could get a talent like this....."

Boy would this place EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoCalBronco]

A couple of blowout playoff wins over the Broncos. Hell, that would be better than sex to most KC fans right now. LOL

KC fans have sex?

I mean besides the whole goat/ewe/sheep kind?

[SoCalBronco]

haha, yeah, i could see that.

Or after a tade with the niners (if that happens) we take Jackson Ha!

I can see it now...........

Shanny,"We had to get into a spot where we knew we could get a talent like this....."

Boy would this place EXPLODE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im pretty much ready to explode. Im just biding my time till draft day, but I definitely do not have a good feeling. I have to resort to hoping that other team's move up and foil any plans for WR in Round 1.

[GreatBronco16]

A couple of blowout playoff wins over the Broncos. Hell, that would be better than sex to most KC fans right now. LOL

Geez I don't know. Playoff wins over Denver, or sleeping with your sister. You guys would go for the insest thing and you know it.

[Clockwork Orange]

A couple of blowout playoff wins over the Broncos. Hell, that would be better than sex to most KC fans right now. LOL

Like you would know what either feels like.

[wabbit]

That's laughable.

His offensive staff was greatness.

His defensive staff was crap.

Led by a moronic defensive coordinator.

Vermeil couldn't even select his successor (Carl did it) and got another idiot (Gunther).

I'm confident that we'll be a better team if Herm can manage to avoid fvcking up the offense.

Hmmm, isn't this the defensive coodinator that you shouted to the highest mountain was going to 'make things right' in KC.

Wasn't that you boasting a new age coming once he got his system in place.

Wasn't that you suggesting Cunningham was...quoting here...'the missing piece'...that would put the Chiefys over the top.

Wasn't that you Bob,

That's what I mean by revisionist crap, boy.

Live & learn

[azbroncfan]

Turns out GROB might be better than GOOOOOOONTHER after all.

[Clockwork Orange]

Hmmm, isn't this the defensive coodinator that you shouted to the highest mountain was going to 'make things right' in KC.

Wasn't that you boasting a new age coming once he got his system in place.

Wasn't that you suggesting Cunningham was...quoting here...'the missing piece'...that would put the Chiefys over the top.

Wasn't that you Bob,

That's what I mean by revisionist crap, boy.

Live & learn

Gunther's assistants will fix everything!

[GreatBronco16]

Hmmm, isn't this the defensive coodinator that you shouted to the highest mountain was going to 'make things right' in KC.

Wasn't that you boasting a new age coming once he got his system in place.

Wasn't that you suggesting Cunningham was...quoting here...'the missing piece'...that would put the Chiefys over the top.

Wasn't that you Bob,

That's what I mean by revisionist crap, boy.

Live & learn


Damn, just :nutkick him next time. It would take less time and he still wouldn't get it.

[youcandoit1687]

jeez socalbronco, lol what would be ur ideal bronco draft...im interested to see what would get your stamp of approval

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Hmmm, isn't this the defensive coodinator that you shouted to the highest mountain was going to 'make things right' in KC.

Wasn't that you boasting a new age coming once he got his system in place.

Wasn't that you suggesting Cunningham was...quoting here...'the missing piece'...that would put the Chiefys over the top.

Wasn't that you Bob,

That's what I mean by revisionist crap, boy.

Live & learn

For several months I've been off the Gunther bandwagon and I said as much on this forum. GFY.

[Phantom]

Let me understand Chef fan logic ....

Let's say the Chiefs beat the Broncos twice last year, but the playoff scenarios remained the same - were the Chiefs a better team?

The year the Raiders went to the SB against Tampa Bay, the Raiders lost 4 games - two against the Broncos. Were the Broncos the better team that year?

What is this crap about LJ not starting in game 1 against the Broncos? Suddenly your glory boy Priest Holmes is camp fodder?

Just clarifing, carry on ..........

[Orange_Beard]

If we could get Walker and Vernon Davis ...I would be happy with that.


Agree, the rest would be fluff if we could land these 2.

[wabbit]

For several months I've been off the Gunther bandwagon and I said as much on this forum. GFY.


Oh really

So, years of your mouthy aggravation should be put aside because you ‘changed your mind months ago’.

Hey everybody…Bobo changed his mind…everything this silly, sophomoric mama’s boy dishes out is simply to be put aside after he mounts his blow-up Chiefy doll, waves his Star Wars energy wand and mouths the opening monologue to Star Trek.

Now, undestanding as I do that it’s two for Tuesdays at Domino’s, suck down a couple, put your tears away and, you know, clear your head…or stuff it, as the case may be.

…Oh, and FY and your family Bobo

[crazyhorse]

Let me understand Chef fan logic ....

Let's say the Chiefs beat the Broncos twice last year, but the playoff scenarios remained the same - were the Chiefs a better team?

The year the Raiders went to the SB against Tampa Bay, the Raiders lost 4 games - two against the Broncos. Were the Broncos the better team that year?

What is this crap about LJ not starting in game 1 against the Broncos? Suddenly your glory boy Priest Holmes is camp fodder?

Just clarifing, carry on ..........

To clarify....if you cant beat us, it's hard to convince us of how much better you are. Just like the year before. The Chiefs won the West with a better record. But by the end of the season, the Broncos were playing better football. Ironically, the Chiefs were 13-3 and the Donks were 10-6.

The only difficulty you are having realizing this, is you lack an open mind. The same open mind you had the year before when you were saying the Chiefs were a fruad and claimed the Broncos were a better team with a lesser record.

[crazyhorse]

Oh really

So, years of your mouthy aggravation should be put aside because you ‘changed your mind months ago’.

Hey everybody…Bobo changed his mind…everything this silly, sophomoric mama’s boy dishes out is simply to be put aside after he mounts his blow-up Chiefy doll, waves his Star Wars energy wand and mouths the opening monologue to Star Trek.

Now, undestanding as I do that it’s two for Tuesdays at Domino’s, suck down a couple, put your tears away and, you know, clear your head…or stuff it, as the case may be.

…Oh, and FY and your family Bobo

Picking on the little kids again? Man.......your a badass.

[boltaneer]

2002 Oakland Raiders (11-5)
2003 Kansas City Chiefs (13-3)
2004 San Diego Chargers (12-4)
2005 Denver Broncos (13-3)

Best team in the AFC West year by year. The records don't lie.

Hey, all four teams got in the rotation. Everyone should be happy. Stop arguing and go eat some ice cream. 8')

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Oh really

So, years of your mouthy aggravation should be put aside because you ‘changed your mind months ago’.



No, you can still rip on me for that BS. I admit I was wrong.

But when I come on here and say Gunther sucks, don't accuse me of being a revisionist. I changed my mind about Gunther at the end of last season. He sucks.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

2002 Oakland Raiders (11-5)
2003 Kansas City Chiefs (13-3)
2004 San Diego Chargers (12-4)
2005 Denver Broncos (13-3)

Best team in the AFC West year by year. The records don't lie.

Hey, all four teams got in the rotation. Everyone should be happy. Stop arguing and go eat some ice cream. 8')

That is a very good point. According to the rotation the Raiders should win the division this year, but that's impossible. Therefore, it's the Chiefs turn. 8')

[Merlin]

The only difficulty you are having realizing this, is you lack an open mind. The same open mind you had the year before when you were saying the Chiefs were a fruad and claimed the Broncos were a better team with a lesser record.
No, the only problem here is that you want us to have such an open mind a brains fall out, like it does for all KC fans, thanks we'll pass. Denver loses by 4 at your place and kills you at home (no, one player would not have changed that outcome). Your incompetent team folds when the pressure is on against Buffalo, and the ever marvelous JP Losman. TB owns you... and so on. So no, one game won by a mere 4 points does not make you good, and the manner in which you sucked when it counted makes you mediocre.

As to Denver being similar to you guys when you won the division, not even close. Big difference, not only did Denver play better down the stretch than you did then (and last yr), but, Denver went to the AFC final, you guy's D couldn't make a stop to save their lives (KC, no matter what team they field, the manage to F*&* it up) or win a playoff game.