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dragondawg
04-15-2006, 02:27 AM
Broncos playing rushin' roulette
Dayne, Bell, Cobbs - or an unknown - out to be top back
Joe Mahoney © News © 2005

Broncos running backs coach Bobby Turner, center, has three incumbents, including Ron Dayne, who will try to replace Mike Anderson, who was released, as the starter. "I just want to stay modest," Dayne said. "But it's mine, Tatum (Bell) and (Cedric Cobbs') job to lose right now
Ron Dayne isn't sure he has a leg up in the race to become the next starting running back for the Denver Broncos. But even before arriving this month for the team's off-season conditioning program, he was doing enough squats, leg presses and lunges to make sure it wasn't much of a stretch should that scenario play out.
"You can't run without your legs, so I work hardest on them," he said. "Even when I'm tired, I'm going to get a workout on my legs."

Yet the past several years, Dayne has rested his lower body more than he would like when it matters most - on game day.

In six seasons, including his first in 2005 with the Broncos, Dayne has 638 carries for 2,337 yards while starting only 14 games.

That experience is why Dayne is sounding a cautious note, even after the Broncos released Mike Anderson, seemingly putting Dayne, the all-time leading rusher in NCAA Division I-A, in line for the carries Anderson left behind.

Tatum Bell still is around, and Dayne has watched as practice- squad player Cedric Cobbs made big strides last season to enter the competition.

The biggest wild card, though, might not yet be on the roster.

With the Nos. 15 and 22 picks in the first round of the draft, the Broncos might have a unique opportunity to acquire the kind of workhorse runner coach Mike Shanahan has said he prefers.

Reggie Bush of Southern California is a near lock to go No. 1 overall and is a pipe dream for the Broncos.

But Bush's college teammate, Denver native LenDale White, Laurence Maroney of Minnesota or De- Angelo Williams of Memphis could be available for the taking.

Whether other needs, such as receiver, tight end or defensive line, will supersede the Broncos' desire for a franchise-type prospect remains to be seen. Regardless, there likely will be someone else to contend with for the returning backfield trio.

"I don't care if you're drafting Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson, Quentin Griffin, Tatum," general manager Ted Sundquist said at the NFL scouting combine. "You just go back. Ahmad Galloway. Some guys didn't make it, but there's always someone getting rolled into the mix."

Only twice during Shanahan's 11 years as coach, in 1997 and 2001, has the team failed to draft a running back. But Bell, at No. 41, was the highest-numbered selection. The Broncos' normal route is midround picks suited to their downhill, one- cut style instead of going for the high pick.

And usually, whomever they select is worked in slowly. Even Bell and Clinton Portis, who joined Terrell Davis as the only franchise backs drafted by the Broncos since 1995, didn't immediately start by carrying 20 or more times a game.

Incumbents are ready

Bell still is awaiting his opportunity for full-time duty despite a productive 921-yard season in 2005 that demonstrated his big-play ability.

Cobbs simply is eager for an opportunity.

"For them to select someone at running back really doesn't bother me because I know the running back they select doesn't know half of what the running backs here know that have been in the league awhile," said Cobbs, whom the Broncos considered picking in the third round in 2004 before taking Bell one round earlier. "I found out the hard way that the league is (about) experience. And you just can't come in and think you're going to dominate if you don't know the game of football."

Cobbs, who played for Arkansas, appeared in three games with the New England Patriots as a rookie in 2004, then was cut during training camp last year after injuring a leg before the first preseason game.

The Broncos picked him up and put him on the practice squad, where he learned the scheme and impressed coaches with his acceleration and quickness.

Such initial inactivity was even more shocking, and longer lasting, for Dayne, who was the first-round pick (No. 15 overall) of the New York Giants in 2000 but fell into a backup role to Tiki Barber.

Now, Dayne is seeing competition from a different perspective, with the belief he has a legitimate opportunity for a large workload, in a system suited to his talents, for a staff he believes is in his corner.

"I just want to stay modest," said Dayne, who carried 53 times for 270 yards last season in spot duty. "But it's mine, Tatum and Ced's job to lose right now."

Even if the Broncos pick a back high in the draft, he said, "It'd be a shame if one of us wasn't one of the guys out there on the field, especially with us being here and knowing the system rather than having somebody else come in and take that."

In 2005, Anderson was the Broncos' "thunder" inside the tackles and Bell the quick-hitting "lightning" outside as Denver put together a 13-3 regular season and fell one victory short of the Super Bowl. The running game's production was merely business as usual.

Last season, the Broncos rolled up 2,539 yards, the second-best total in franchise history, and finished 7 yards behind the league-leading Atlanta Falcons.

It was the ninth time under Shanahan the Broncos have finished in the top five in rushing. It also marked the eighth time in his tenure the team has cracked the 2,000-yard mark.

Even with such consistency, the backfield continues to evolve.

With Dayne considered a younger option to Anderson and owning a similar skill set, it was Anderson who was released. He eventually signed with the Baltimore Ravens.

Dayne re-signed with the Broncos as an unrestricted free agent, getting a three-year, $3.29 million contract that voids after two seasons if he reaches a combined 2,500 yards.

Dayne's modesty aside, his quick feet and ability to make decisive cuts between the tackles for positive yardage make him the current favorite to do the heavy lifting in the backfield.

Though Bell has unquestioned speed, he must shake the perception he's a specialist and not suited for full-time duty. But he will have a role. Cobbs is the unknown factor.

'No drop-off'

"I've worked with them, so I know what they've got, and I wish the best for all those guys," Anderson said in assessing the current candidates. "And I expect no drop-off whatsoever."

Anderson added that, despite Shanahan's public proclamation in January that "everybody would like that franchise back . . . that you could give the ball 30 times a game," the Broncos might continue with a two-pronged attack because it worked so well last season.

"I think they'll go after the same blueprint we had last year because when you look at it, it worked," Anderson said. "We had a lot of success and put up huge numbers. And for the most part, it kept our whole entire backfield pretty healthy through the season."

And leaguewide, the signature back generally has become a dying breed the past few seasons. Only 11 backs averaged more than 20 carries in 2005, down from 12 in 2004 and 13 in 2003.

But among the current group, Dayne could be best suited for such a workload, if needed, even without much activity as a pro. For Wisconsin, he became the all-time Division I-A rushing leader by carrying no fewer than 263 times during his four seasons.

"Once you've done it, you never forget it," Anderson said.

But the focus now for Dayne, Bell and Cobbs isn't the potential for a future workload, it's getting in shape for the looming competition.

Dayne is concentrating on working on his wind and distance to supplement his weight-room work.

Bell apparently is so focused, he has ducked the media for two weeks.

Cobbs is making sure his legs are at full strength.

And if some hotshot enters the fray, Dayne said, "We'll just have fun and battle. Just like we did when Mike (Anderson) was here."

elsid13
04-15-2006, 07:10 AM
Bell apparently is so focused, he has ducked the media for two weeks.

We haven't heard anything about Bell this offseason, I wondering if the insiders know how his workouts this offseason is going?

Jason in LA
04-15-2006, 07:43 AM
Seems like we get this same exact article every offseason. Just change the names.

I like what I'm hearing about Dayne. Seems like every chance he got last year, which weren't many, he made the most out of.

I also like that Bell is so hungry. He wants it. 921 yards in limited duty looks really good to me.

The more I think about it, the more I'd say that the Broncos would be wasting a high draft pick if they took a RB in the first round.

elsid13
04-15-2006, 07:50 AM
Seems like we get this same exact article every offseason. Just change the names.

I like what I'm hearing about Dayne. Seems like every chance he got last year, which weren't many, he made the most out of.

I also like that Bell is so hungry. He wants it. 921 yards in limited duty looks really good to me.

The more I think about it, the more I'd say that the Broncos would be wasting a high draft pick if they took a RB in the first round.

The good news every season we get production from the running game. As they say it the off season where champions are made. Plus you're right about the running back in the 1st. I expect WR and Safety to come out of that round.

Jason in LA
04-15-2006, 08:04 AM
The entire O line is returning...again. This will be the 3rd year in a row that this unit will be together. I'd say four of them are going on their 4th year playing together. That's the key right there.

Paladin
04-15-2006, 08:04 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'd say that the Broncos would be wasting a high draft pick if they took a RB in the first round.

To a point that's true, but that depends on the view of team needs and who is available at the time they pick. I would think that a Maroney would give some pause for thinking it over.... We all believe that DLine is the major issue, by and large. However, there is disagreement hereabouts as to how significant that deficit may be, and how to go about improving it.

Natedogg
04-15-2006, 08:06 AM
Ron Dayne isn't sure he has a leg up in the race to become the next starting running back for the Denver Broncos. But even before arriving this month for the team's off-season conditioning program, he was doing enough squats, leg presses and lunges to make sure it wasn't much of a stretch should that scenario play out.
"You can't run without your legs, so I work hardest on them," he said. "Even when I'm tired, I'm going to get a workout on my legs."

Of course this is a puff piece (its hard to read any other kind this time during the offseason) but I like the quotes from Dane. He wants it. I admid I'm a bit of a homer bc i lived in wisconsin when they went to the rose bowl. But I like him. He won the huge thanksgiving game for us, and he is hungry. I hope he becomes "the workhorse back."

I'm feeling good about the running back situation.

Jason in LA
04-15-2006, 08:13 AM
Of course this is a puff piece (its hard to read any other kind this time during the offseason)

I try not to read any of these "feel good" pieces during this time of the year.

Odysseus
04-15-2006, 08:30 AM
Bell is probably pissed about this whole deal. He wants to be the star and is probably trying to squash trade rumors by making sure he doesn't share any of his discontent by accident. If Bell dimes himself out. He might as well pack.

watermock
04-15-2006, 10:13 AM
I'm not worried about RB. We need DE and TE in the first. Trade up for Davis with GB, grab Walker and take Lawson at DE at 22.

And the cow jumped over the moon.

Damn Gibbs threw in a monkey wrench or we would be poised to take Davis.

MajikMan7
04-15-2006, 10:15 AM
if we waste a 1st round draft pick on a RB, I'm gonna be pissed

Dr. Broncenstein
04-15-2006, 10:17 AM
Defense... clap-clap
Defense

ludo21
04-15-2006, 10:31 AM
Good article, they all are going to be in the mix. I still wouldnt care if we take a back in the 1st, but the more i look at the current situation, the more I know for a fact we arent going to take one. The staff will stick with the guys we have and add a late rounder as usual.

Im getting excited for the DRAFT!!!

Requiem
04-15-2006, 10:43 AM
Great article. I've been solid for a while on my stance that the Broncos shouldn't draft a back in round one and I'm sticking to my guns. There's talent in that backfield and you don't fix something if it isn't broken. Anderson's right, even though Shanahan would like an every-down guy (whose to say these guys can't?) our rushing attack was excellent last year with the Anderson/Bell combination.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-15-2006, 01:40 PM
I'd take Deangelo Williams at 15, reguardless.... personally, I'd rather have a playmaker safety or pass-rush DE... but this guy will be a gamebreaker of the highest order.

SoCalBronco
04-15-2006, 01:48 PM
White and DW2 are still among my top three targets at 15.

wolf754life
04-15-2006, 01:53 PM
I love Maroney, from Minnessota at 22, the colts love him, Pollian never misses! At some pint the spicket is going to run dry, Talent is important, like SOCAL said, a young stud workhouse is just what the doctor ordered for our aging offense!

HEAV
04-15-2006, 03:16 PM
Bell is probably pissed about this whole deal.


Bingo!

Requiem
04-15-2006, 03:46 PM
I'd be pissed too if I were Bell. The kid has plenty of talent to be our #1 guy. If he's gone, it just goes to show that the best players the Broncos draft end up leaving. Just another mark on the wall.

Ballhawk
04-15-2006, 05:01 PM
I'd be pissed too if I were Bell. The kid has plenty of talent to be our #1 guy. If he's gone, it just goes to show that the best players the Broncos draft end up leaving. Just another mark on the wall.

Bell cant catch a cold and looks lost pass blocking, other than that he is an ideal 3rd down back.

Requiem
04-15-2006, 05:18 PM
Bell did a fine job in catching passes last year. Almost all backs can improve on that. Denver doesn't throw to their backs often anyways, but when we did, Bell got some decent yardage. Yes, his pass-blocking can improve -- but you can say that for a lot of starters in this league.

Popps
04-15-2006, 05:18 PM
if we waste a 1st round draft pick on a RB, I'm gonna be pissed


.... or a WR.

ro_50
04-15-2006, 05:21 PM
I really want to see Cedric Cobbs play. I saw him play in the SEC and he has the talent.

He is the darkhorse.

Ballhawk
04-15-2006, 05:28 PM
Bell did a fine job in catching passes last year. Almost all backs can improve on that. Denver doesn't throw to their backs often anyways, but when we did, Bell got some decent yardage. Yes, his pass-blocking can improve -- but you can say that for a lot of starters in this league.

18 catches for 5.8 yards is not quite the weapon I had in mind. Tiki Barber, LT, Edge this is what I would like to see in a RB that 2 pronged threat. Thinking west coast O think Roger Craig. Bell is fast...thats it. he is not elusive, powerful, a good blocker, or even average rec.

cutthemdown
04-15-2006, 05:35 PM
18 catches for 5.8 yards is not quite the weapon I had in mind. Tiki Barber, LT, Edge this is what I would like to see in a RB that 2 pronged threat. Thinking west coast O think Roger Craig. Bell is fast...thats it. he is not elusive, powerful, a good blocker, or even average rec.
Broncos just havent been throwing to RBS a whole lot. Maybe the Dinger coming back to fold will freshen things up a bit. We may see a few more RB screens and throws to the flats.

Requiem
04-15-2006, 05:40 PM
18 catches for 5.8 yards is not quite the weapon I had in mind. Tiki Barber, LT, Edge this is what I would like to see in a RB that 2 pronged threat. Thinking west coast O think Roger Craig. Bell is fast...thats it. he is not elusive, powerful, a good blocker, or even average rec.

Denver doesn't throw to their backs often at all. To compare Bell to guys who are often one of the better receivers on the team isn't a strong argument if you ask me. Bell... not elusive? I'm sorry, but coming out of college, I think that was one of his best qualities. Powerful? Well, he's not that much of a pussy. I have a highlight video on my computer and he did his fair-share of pushing guys to the ground.

He's not a GOOD blocker, he can get the job done though.

He's more than an average receiver. Throw the ball to him 25 more times like the other backs are getting and that's about 200 yards more in production. We don't throw to our backs though, so to knock him as a receiver, isn't valid at all.

ludo21
04-15-2006, 05:46 PM
Denver doesn't throw to their backs often at all. To compare Bell to guys who are often one of the better receivers on the team isn't a strong argument if you ask me. Bell... not elusive? I'm sorry, but coming out of college, I think that was one of his best qualities. Powerful? Well, he's not that much of a p***Y. I have a highlight video on my computer and he did his fair-share of pushing guys to the ground.

He's not a GOOD blocker, he can get the job done though.

He's more than an average receiver. Throw the ball to him 25 more times like the other backs are getting and that's about 200 yards more in production. We don't throw to our backs though, so to knock him as a receiver, isn't valid at all.


Great post! :)

Bell is easily a 1k runner and 300 yard receiver given the chance.

He can hold his own blocking, and his hands arent too bad (as long as we dont throw the ball into the ground on a 5 wide!)

2KBack
04-15-2006, 05:46 PM
Denver doesn't throw to their backs often at all. To compare Bell to guys who are often one of the better receivers on the team isn't a strong argument if you ask me. Bell... not elusive? I'm sorry, but coming out of college, I think that was one of his best qualities. Powerful? Well, he's not that much of a p***Y. I have a highlight video on my computer and he did his fair-share of pushing guys to the ground.

He's not a GOOD blocker, he can get the job done though.

He's more than an average receiver. Throw the ball to him 25 more times like the other backs are getting and that's about 200 yards more in production. We don't throw to our backs though, so to knock him as a receiver, isn't valid at all.

Anderson had 18 catches too, but for 212 yards and a 11.8yd average. That's more than twice the production in the same # of catches.

Ballhawk
04-15-2006, 05:47 PM
Denver doesn't throw to their backs often at all. To compare Bell to guys who are often one of the better receivers on the team isn't a strong argument if you ask me. Bell... not elusive? I'm sorry, but coming out of college, I think that was one of his best qualities. Powerful? Well, he's not that much of a p***Y. I have a highlight video on my computer and he did his fair-share of pushing guys to the ground.

He's not a GOOD blocker, he can get the job done though.

He's more than an average receiver. Throw the ball to him 25 more times like the other backs are getting and that's about 200 yards more in production. We don't throw to our backs though, so to knock him as a receiver, isn't valid at all.

So if we had LT we wouldn't throw to him? We dont throw to Bell because he drops too many balls and fails to get good yardage because he has to concentrate extra hard just to catch the damn ball. We tried throwing to Q many times but Jake had a hard time hitting the midget. Looking back at Portis he caught 33 and 38 passes in only 12 & 13 games and had an average of 11 and 8.3 ypc. Why? Because he knew how to make a guy miss in the open field and get yards. Bell has a great one cut but he needs his speed built up to make a guy miss. from a stand still position he is not that fluid.

Requiem
04-15-2006, 05:48 PM
As a rookie, Bell had 5 for 80 yards. It's not like the ability isn't there. I don't remember all the throws, but I could say some of them could have been bad throws, or just poor blocking on them.

Requiem
04-15-2006, 05:50 PM
So if we had LT we wouldn't throw to him? We dont throw to Bell because he drops too many balls and fails to get good yardage because he has to concentrate extra hard just to catch the damn ball. We tried throwing to Q many times but Jake had a hard time hitting the midget. Looking back at Portis he caught 33 and 38 passes in only 12 & 13 games and had an average of 11 and 8.3 ypc. Why? Because he knew how to make a guy miss in the open field and get yards. Bell has a great one cut but he needs his speed built up to make a guy miss. from a stand still position he is not that fluid.

So, Bell's 5 catches for 80 yards as a rookie means what then?

Ballhawk
04-15-2006, 05:51 PM
So, Bell's 5 catches for 80 yards as a rookie means what then?

That he got lucky and broke one for 58 yards :)

yavoon
04-15-2006, 05:52 PM
Great post! :)

Bell is easily a 1k runner and 300 yard receiver given the chance.

He can hold his own blocking, and his hands arent too bad (as long as we dont throw the ball into the ground on a 5 wide!)

bell is the second worst receiver by dvoa for running backs with a minimum of 25 passes. thats 52 out of 53.

ozomulsion
04-15-2006, 06:03 PM
18 catches for 5.8 yards is not quite the weapon I had in mind. Tiki Barber, LT, Edge this is what I would like to see in a RB that 2 pronged threat. Thinking west coast O think Roger Craig. Bell is fast...thats it. he is not elusive, powerful, a good blocker, or even average rec.
Look at Bell's YAC (yards after the catch). Most of the passes to him were 5+ yards behind the line of scrimage. Don't be so simple minded. You either yavoon.

ludo21
04-15-2006, 06:07 PM
bell is the second worst receiver by dvoa for running backs with a minimum of 25 passes. thats 52 out of 53.


so hes the worst receiver for not getting passes thrown his way? Is that what your saying? or are you saying he dropped 25 balls (i dont think so)

Ballhawk
04-15-2006, 06:07 PM
Look at Bell's YAC (yards after the catch). Most of the passes to him were 5+ yards behind the line of scrimage. Don't be so simple minded.

My bad, most Rbs run 10 yard patterns :saywhat: and most of the throws to bell were in the middle of the field coming out of the backfield.

yavoon
04-15-2006, 06:11 PM
so hes the worst receiver for not getting passes thrown his way? Is that what your saying? or are you saying he dropped 25 balls (i dont think so)

I'm saying of receivers who had a prerequisite number of balls thrown to him he was 52 out of 53 in value.

ludo21
04-15-2006, 06:12 PM
I'm saying of receivers who had a prerequisite number of balls thrown to him he was 52 out of 53 in value.


ill take it. Ill go by what i saw, and i saw him catch the ball well when it was thrown over the middle on screens, and he caught the ball pretty well on Jakes darts to the ground.

ozomulsion
04-15-2006, 06:24 PM
My bad, most Rbs run 10 yard patterns :saywhat: and most of the throws to bell were in the middle of the field coming out of the backfield.

No, they were all swing passes 5 yards behind the line of scrimage.

chaz
04-15-2006, 09:40 PM
if we waste a 1st round draft pick on a RB, I'm gonna be pissed


ok, you go be pissed, because it....wont matter...

chaz
04-15-2006, 09:42 PM
i like DW2 in the first, i think hes worth 15 but will still be there at 22

i like to hear that bell is staying focused and keeping away from the media, hope he is working hard to be #1...i still remember when he came in as a rookie and said how great he wanted to be, hopefully he has realized how much work that will take

Arkansas Bronco
04-15-2006, 09:58 PM
I really want to see Cedric Cobbs play. I saw him play in the SEC and he has the talent.

He is the darkhorse.
As a big Razorback fan and i have seen him play for many years he is realy hard to judge. One year he looks great then next out fr most of the year. The next not looking as hot as he did. I like the guy but i seen his game diminish even in col. what in the world maks me thing it all came back to him.

ozomulsion
04-16-2006, 03:17 AM
i like DW2 in the first, i think hes worth 15 but will still be there at 22

i like to hear that bell is staying focused and keeping away from the media, hope he is working hard to be #1...i still remember when he came in as a rookie and said how great he wanted to be, hopefully he has realized how much work that will take

I would hate to risk N.E. taking DW2 at 21. That formation we use all the time where the lone RB goes into motion and leaves an empty backfield would be killer with DeAngelo. With his excellent receiving skills and speed I can forsee some major mismatches. I would never have to hold my breath again when that formation is used. In fact, it would downright excite me.

broncohaven
04-16-2006, 06:22 AM
So, Bell's 5 catches for 80 yards as a rookie means what then?
If I recall he got 60+ on one, meaning the other 4 went for less than 20. Arguing that Bell is an above average receiver out of the backfield is a tough sell. I remember at least 5 times where Bell got balled out on the sidelines for dropping balls that hit him right in the hands.

I'm keeping a close on the Ricky Williams appeal.

Dr. Broncenstein
04-16-2006, 10:11 AM
As a big Razorback fan and i have seen him play for many years he is realy hard to judge. One year he looks great then next out fr most of the year. The next not looking as hot as he did. I like the guy but i seen his game diminish even in col. what in the world maks me thing it all came back to him.

He ran for 1000+ his senior year while splitting reps at tailback... not to mention the rushing yards compiled by Matt Jones. When healthy, he was nails. I was upset to see us take Bell so high and pass on Cobbs. Well see how it shakes out this season, but I am confident in my boy...

-Slap-
04-16-2006, 11:54 AM
Running Back By Committee is slow death. Having a good running game isn't good enough. The reason we won Super Bowl XXXII is because we went up against three straight defenses that smothered running games and TD put up over 100 yards on each one of them. Kansas City hadn't allowed a rushing touchdown at home all year when crashed into the end zone against them in the playoffs. Does anybody here think the RBBC wins in KC that afternoon, or the following week in Pittsburgh?

Give me a real every down back. Maroney, LWhite or Ricky Williams.

Rock Chalk
04-16-2006, 11:57 AM
Running Back By Committee is slow death. Having a good running game isn't good enough. The reason we won Super Bowl XXXII is because we went up against three straight defenses that smothered running games and TD put up over 100 yards on each one of them. Kansas City hadn't allowed a rushing touchdown at home all year when crashed into the end zone against them in the playoffs. Does anybody here think the RBBC wins in KC that afternoon, or the following week in Pittsburgh?

Give me a real every down back. Maroney, LWhite or Ricky Williams.
Dont know Maroney, but I like White and Williams and would be happy with either one.