Iran: Israel Will Soon be Annihilated

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh great. Here we go....


Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated
Apr 14 12:34 PM US/Eastern
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By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer


TEHRAN, Iran


The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon."

"The existence of this (Israeli) regime is a permanent threat" to the Middle East, he added. "Its existence has harmed the dignity of Islamic nations."

The three-day conference on Palestine is being attended by officials of Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territories.

Iran has previously said it will give money to the Palestinian Authority to make up for the withdrawal of donations by Western nations who object to Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel and renounce violence. But no figure has been published.

On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had successfully enriched uranium using a battery of 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large-scale production of enriched uranium required for either fueling nuclear reactors or making nuclear weapons.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

The U.N. Security Council has given Iran until April 28 to cease enrichment. But Iran has rejected the demand.

The chief of Israeli military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, was quoted Wednesday as saying Iran could develop a nuclear bomb "within three years, by the end of the decade."

[WABronco]

****!

What the hell is the matter with these psychos??

[baja]

Interesting this all has been prophesied a very long time ago.

[Bronx33]

Interesting this all has been prophesied a very long time ago.


I wonder how the story really ends.

[Vegas_Bronco]

And there are those who think our 'occupation' of IRAQ 'has no more meaningful purpose' - gee frickin wiz!!!

The UN has been asking for years for them to stop without a glimpse of cooperation and isn't it feared that China and Russia are supporting the development of the weapons in IRAQ?

We better win a super bowl fast!!!

[ludo21]

Things are getting heated over there, i just hope cooler heads prevail, but war is imminent, it has been boiling for FAR too long.

[RMT]

Interesting this all has been prophesied a very long time ago.

You are correct, Baja ... the illegal immigrant issue can also be playing a part in the move to a "one world government" - again, prophesied a long time ago. We could eventually be known as "North America" instead of the United States ... who knows, but it sure appears we're headed in that direction.

[24champ]

Yup its a tinderbox over there in the Middle East. One match is all its going to take.

[WABronco]

Yup its a tinderbox over there in the Middle East. One match is all its going to take.

Let's just drop a huge concrete dome over the entire region. Whoever survives is wiped out when the dome collapses.

All better...


<sarcasm>

[Popps]

These ragheads better be careful. Depending who you ask, Israel has somewhere between a moderate and a heavy nuclear arsenal. Estimates range between 100-200 warheads.

These crazy towel wrappers are going to bark up the wrong tree with this ****. Israel is one country you do NOT want to test. Just look at their history... there's no question what they'd do if push came to shove.

[cutthemdown]

Interesting this all has been prophesied a very long time ago.
Weve heard that before

[epicSocialism4tw]

These ragheads better be careful. Depending who you ask, Israel has somewhere between a moderate and a heavy nuclear arsenal. Estimates range between 100-200 warheads.
These crazy towel wrappers are going to bark up the wrong tree with this ****. Israel is one country you do NOT want to test. Just look at their history... there's no question what they'd do if push came to shove.

Israel doesnt put up with threats like we do. They'll get intel and strike first without quarter.

[Bronx33]

These ragheads better be careful. Depending who you ask, Israel has somewhere between a moderate and a heavy nuclear arsenal. Estimates range between 100-200 warheads.

These crazy towel wrappers are going to bark up the wrong tree with this ****. Israel is one country you do NOT want to test. Just look at their history... there's no question what they'd do if push came to shove.

Israel has been getting ready for this for a long time, iran jst might be a papertiger and will find out the hard way if they do push the button. The palastinians could give a ratz a** too and they will get wacked too maybe jordon, egypt ect. (ACCURACY IS A WHOLE NEW DEPT)

[watermock]

cowabunga mother****er, time to take someone out.

[baja]

cowabunga mother****er, time to take someone out.

Be carefull what you wish for if it happens eventually you will feel it even in Iowa.

[Cito Pelon]

Interesting stuff. Lot of posturing, posing, and bluffing. The Iranians absolutely do not want International oversight. They can become an impoverished country in five years just like Iraq became after UN sanctions were enacted, and enforced.

We'll see. I sense there may be some better cooperation between the Big Powers in regards to rogue nations. At some point, competition for "spheres of influence" reaches a point where the return for the investment doesn't pay off real well. At some point, the Big Powers are going to have to cooperate better to put a screeching halt to nuclear wanna-be's. And at that point, a new game begins . . . . It never ends, get used to it. Competition for supremacy never ends.

[Bronx33]

Interesting stuff. Lot of posturing, posing, and bluffing. The Iranians absolutely do not want International oversight. They can become an impoverished country in five years just like Iraq became after UN sanctions were enacted, and enforced.

We'll see. I sense there may be some better cooperation between the Big Powers in regards to rogue nations. At some point, competition for "spheres of influence" reaches a point where the return for the investment doesn't pay off real well. At some point, the Big Powers are going to have to cooperate better to put a screeching halt to nuclear wanna-be's. And at that point, a new game begins . . . . It never ends, get used to it. Competition for supremacy never ends.


Gee i wonder why, the poor will be glad they have some light and a nuke they don't want (i have been talking to an iranian chick) for a couple weeks now and have read some interesting stuff in reguards to what they think of the current regime.

[baja]

Gee i wonder why, the poor will be glad they have some light and a nuke they don't want (i have been talking to an iranian chick) for a couple weeks now and have read some interesting stuff in reguards to what they think of the current regime.

And that is?

[Bronx33]

And that is?

http://abovethewall2.blogspot.com/2006/04/major-destruction-iranian-regim-caused.html#comments

Neda is her name she doesn't post a whole lot which is understandable.

[Cito Pelon]

Gee i wonder why, the poor will be glad they have some light and a nuke they don't want (i have been talking to an iranian chick) for a couple weeks now and have read some interesting stuff in reguards to what they think of the current regime.

The Persians, just like all the rest of us humans, have an elite that has a lot of power in proportion to their numbers. That's why I'm all for spreading democracy.

This planet has never had more than 8-10 stable democracies at any one time, so I'd say that's a good path to pursue - something different than what we have had. Hell, there's only 8-10 stable democracies on this earth right now. This planet needs some stabilization really badly right now, and I think democratization that's the path to go. Hold free elections, or you power-hungry elites will get your ass kicked by the Democracies. Naturally, the Chinese and Russians have to help us out. Best of luck to you younger folks, you have a tough row to hoe.

Us older folks have been battling the Chinese and Russians for what, 300 years? And still haven't come to an accomodation with them. We're still pretty much at a stalemate, so best of luck to the next generation.

[Bronx33]

The Persians, just like all the rest of us humans, have an elite that has a lot of power in proportion to their numbers. That's why I'm all for spreading democracy.

This planet has never had more than 8-10 stable democracies at any one time, so I'd say that's a good path to pursue - something different than what we have had. Hell, there's only 8-10 stable democracies on this earth right now. This planet needs some stabilization really badly right now, and I think democratization that's the path to go. Hold free elections, or you power-hungry elites will get your ass kicked by the Democracies. Naturally, the Chinese and Russians have to help us out. Best of luck to you younger folks, you have a tough row to hoe.

Us older folks have been battling the Chinese and Russians for what, 300 years? And still haven't come to an accomodation with them. We're still pretty much at a stalemate, so best of luck to the next generation.


Refusal to change and better lives is the problem and unfortunately for some these folks are in charge.

[Cito Pelon]

Refusal to change and better lives is the problem and unfortunately for some these folks are in charge.

Human nature hates change. Change=instability. However, there is no stopping progress. Human society will progress. Always has. It's just a matter of how well it is managed, how bloody and brutal the process is allowed to become.

I'm a big believer in the Hegelian Dialectic. I can chart the Dialectic through human history. There's always been a Thesis, an Antithesis, Conflict; then the Synthesis. The Synthesis becomes the new Thesis, a new Antithesis always arises, then Conflict again, then another Synthesis, and so on and so on . . . . . .the record is there for all to see. It gets progressively more complicated, and therefore can become more bloody and brutal, but the basic theory is sound and predictable. Naturally, there are innumerable factors at every stage, including the ultimate outcome of the game, and that's where the fun is. It's just a game, and it's a lot of fun - if you win.

[baja]

Human nature hates change. Change=instability. However, there is no stopping progress. Human society will progress. Always has. It's just a matter of how well it is managed, how bloody and brutal the process is allowed to become.

I'm a big believer in the Hegelian Dialectic. I can chart the Dialectic through human history. There's always been a Thesis, an Antithesis, Conflict; then the Synthesis. The Synthesis becomes the new Thesis, a new Antithesis always arises, then Conflict again, then another Synthesis, and so on and so on . . . . . .the record is there for all to see. It gets progressively more complicated, and therefore can become more bloody and brutal,<b> but the basic theory is sound and predictable.</b> Naturally, there are innumerable factors at every stage, including the ultimate outcome of the game, and that's where the fun is. It's just a game, and it's a lot of fun - if you win.

OK tell me how the story ends...

[Cito Pelon]

. . . . . . and that's where the fun is. It's just a game, and it's a lot of fun - if you win.

I have to amend that - even if you do not win, the opportunity to play at the Big Table in geopolitics is fun in itself. There is no bigger game, and in all fairness, you have to welcome competition.

[Cito Pelon]

OK tell me how the story ends...

I said the theory is sound and predictable. The outcome is not. I have some ideas that you well know, but nothing is written in stone. Too many wildcards, too many opportunities for mis-management.

[24champ]

We already have special op troops in Iran scoping out targets in case this diplomatic talks gets nowhere. I think people in America realize how serious this is, yes it may be posturing and tough talk. But hell an attack on Iran IS GOING to lead to another world war.

One former defense official, who still deals with sensitive issues for the Bush Administration, told me that the military planning was premised on a belief that “a sustained bombing campaign in Iran will humiliate the religious leadership and lead the public to rise up and overthrow the government.” He added, “I was shocked when I heard it, and asked myself, ‘What are they smoking?’ ”
The sequel to shock and awe?
“You have to really show a threat in order to get Ahmadinejad to back down.” He added, “People think Bush has been focussed on Saddam Hussein since 9/11,” but, “in my view, if you had to name one nation that was his focus all the way along, it was Iran
interesting....anyway its a very good read and lots of info on all this talk on war against Iran.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact

[baja]

I said the theory is sound and predictable. The outcome is not. I have some ideas that you well know, but nothing is written in stone. Too many wildcards, too many opportunities for mis-management.

If the theory is predictable than the outcome is predictable at least the end game. There a thousand ways up the mountain but only one top. If the theory is predictable you can describe the top.

[Atlas]

And there are those who think our 'occupation' of IRAQ 'has no more meaningful purpose' - gee frickin wiz!!!
!!!

Well, it looks like we should have invaded Iran instead.

[baja]

Well, it looks like we should have invaded Iran instead.

Either you are with us or you are against us....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, it looks like we should have invaded Iran instead.

From one hornets' nest to an even bigger hornets' nest.

Oh well, Bush doesn't have any scruples about kicking them over - after all, he and his pals are never the ones who have to get stung.

[Atlas]

Either you are with us or you are against us....

Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes........ or a really stupid President!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

Only a Sith Lord deals in absolutes........ or a really stupid President!!

Oh no! The George Lucas quote!

[Atlas]

Oh no! The George Lucas quote!

I love Star Wars!!

[elsid13]

It been extremely interesting watching the current elected regime operate in Iran. There is very strong climate for change in population of Iran and it was surprise that the moderates didn't win the last election. Sometime I get the feeling the current president is grasping to stay in power and focus the nation attention away from domestic issues. There really is no reason for the Iranian to support Hamas (different cultures and religious sects) How does the world deal with him? We have the stick ready - US military and economic sanctions, now we might need to offer a carrot- stop nuclear research and terrorist support- and west will remove some sanctions and provided aid to support the development of roads and civil works in remote regions of Iran

[Bronx33]

Human nature hates change. Change=instability. However, there is no stopping progress. Human society will progress. Always has. It's just a matter of how well it is managed, how bloody and brutal the process is allowed to become.

I'm a big believer in the Hegelian Dialectic. I can chart the Dialectic through human history. There's always been a Thesis, an Antithesis, Conflict; then the Synthesis. The Synthesis becomes the new Thesis, a new Antithesis always arises, then Conflict again, then another Synthesis, and so on and so on . . . . . .the record is there for all to see. It gets progressively more complicated, and therefore can become more bloody and brutal, but the basic theory is sound and predictable. Naturally, there are innumerable factors at every stage, including the ultimate outcome of the game, and that's where the fun is. It's just a game, and it's a lot of fun - if you win.



Are you speaking ferengi? lol j/k i did have to look up Hegelian Dialectic though.

[24champ]

We have the stick ready - US military and economic sanctions, now we might need to offer a carrot- stop nuclear research and terrorist support- and west will remove some sanctions and provided aid to support the development of roads and civil works in remote regions of Iran
So we are going to reward bad behavior? Didnt we do that with North Korea awhile ago?

[elsid13]

So we are going to reward bad behavior? Didnt we do that with North Korea awhile ago?


Different situation, we aren't award but subverting the Non Western factors in Iran by the backdoor. Iran youth which make up majority are very Western oriented and pushing for more reform and removal of the hard line religious types. We need to find away to support moderate and pro-reform movements.

The current regime barely won the last election, by the way Iran does have the start of democratic institutions in place unlike most of the ME. Complete isolation help keeps the extremist in power, and focusing on the "foreign" threat keep the population off domestic problems. By opening the country to western ideas and direct foreign connect we remove the power the religious nuts get from isolation. In battle you always leave the enemy an perceived path of retreat, it easier to kill them when thier fleeing, then when they have no hope of escape.

[Bronx33]

Different situation, we aren't award but subverting the Non Western factors in Iran by the backdoor. Iran youth which make up majority are very Western oriented and pushing for more reform and removal of the hard line religious types. We need to find away to support moderate and pro-reform movements.

The current regime barely won the last election, by the way Iran does have the start of democratic institutions in place unlike most of the ME. Complete isolation help keeps the extremist in power, and focusing on the "foreign" threat keep the population off domestic problems. By opening the country to western ideas and direct foreign connect we remove the power the religious nuts get from isolation. In battle you always leave the enemy an perceived path of retreat, it easier to kill them when thier fleeing, then when they have no hope of escape.



A strong majority of 97% of Iranian people stayed home and boycotted the sham elections of the mullah’s terrorist regime, Or you might say the mullahs put MA in as president because of his radical beliefs. Goverment workers were the only ones who voted because they didn't want to lose their jobs the rest of the numbers were fudged.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Interesting this all has been prophesied a very long time ago.

Some people interpret the prophesies to say that Israel will stand alone against the entire world, meaning that the US will leave them hanging at some point. It certainly seems pheasable that the US will seek a diplomatic out in this situation rather than to be the only intl. power to stand with Israel. Right now, that would be a public relations disaster and would cause our media to feel like they have a legitimate reason to impeach the president that they could propagate.

I dont know if the US will back Israel if Iran becomes a legit threat. The political ties are strong between the US and the Saudis, and the US is trying to expand business in the region. Backing Israel would seemingly be against their best interest at this point if things get really hairy..

[Bronx33]

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6779
He even looks like a idiot but just as long as he sounds like his boss it's all good.

http://www.iranfocus.com/uploads/img44411b65dce3f.jpg

Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Apr. 15 – A top Iranian military commander said on Friday that the Islamic Republic’s Army and Revolutionary Guards “are today in a situation to make the Oppressor World [the United States and its allies] feel the great powers that are at Iran’s disposal”, the state-run news agency Mehr reported.

Brigadier General Mohammad-Hossein Dadras, commander of the regular Iranian army’s ground forces, said Iran’s military has identified “the enemies’ weak spots” in the region and its missile capabilities would guarantee Iran’s “national interests”.

“We have identified and studied the enemies’ strong and weak spots in the region regarding ground, sea, and air forces”, Dadras said at the Friday prayers ceremony in Tehran.

“Today, we have in the country that which is adequate to face threats. Right now, we have that thing which, when required, will land on the enemy’s weak spot. The enemies know this”, Dadras said.

“We do not need foreign support. We have an adequate missile capability which can guarantee our national interests”, he said.

“Iran’s capability is such that no one dares to come near it. If they do they will return with no success”.

Alluding to the border with Iraq and Afghanistan, the army chief said that Iran has six military divisions based at “strategic and operational points”.

He described Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a “pillar of power of the Islamic Republic”.

“We are very capable in dealing with the enemy in a military confrontation. We have never been so strong as we are today”, General Dadras told the Friday prayers congregation over a chorus of “Death to America”.

[Rohirrim]

Does anyone else find it odd that we get the smallest percentage of our oil from the ME while we spend more of our wealth to secure and protect that oil delivery than any other nation, including Russia and China, and yet, Russia and China won't vote with us in the security council to shut down Iran?

[Bronx33]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2136638,00.html

IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.

Dr Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.

In a tape recording heard by The Sunday Times, Abbasi warned the would-be martyrs to “pay close attention to wily England” and vowed that “Britain’s demise is on our agenda”.

At a recruiting station in Tehran recently, volunteers for the force had to show their birth certificates, give proof of their address and tick a box stating whether they would prefer to attack American targets in Iraq or Israeli targets.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad warned last Friday that Israel was heading towards “annihilation”. He was speaking at a Tehran conference on Palestinian rights aimed at promoting Iran as a new Middle Eastern superpower.

According to western intelligence documents leaked to The Sunday Times, the Revolutionary Guards are in charge of a secret nuclear weapons programme designed to evade the scrutiny of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

One of the leaked reports, dating from February this year, confirms that President George W Bush is preparing to strike Iran. “If the problem is not resolved in some way, he intends to act before leaving office because it would be ‘unfair’ to leave the task of destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities to a new president,” the document says.

Alireza Jafarzadeh, a former spokesman for National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), an opposition group, said a secret, parallel military programme was under way. According to sources inside Iran, the Revolutionary Guards were constructing underground sites that could be activated if Iran’s known nuclear facilities were destroyed.

The NCRI is the political wing of the Mujaheddin-e-Khalq, which is deemed a terrorist organisation in Britain and America. However, much of its information is considered to be “absolutely credible” by western intelligence sources after Jafarzadeh revealed the existence of the Natanz plant in 2002.

Within the past year, 14 large and several smaller projects have been created, according to Jafarzadeh. Several are designed to be nuclear factories; others are for the storage of weapons, he claimed.

[baja]

get your pop corn welcome to the "End Times"

[elsid13]

Does anyone else find it odd that we get the smallest percentage of our oil from the ME while we spend more of our wealth to secure and protect that oil delivery than any other nation, including Russia and China, and yet, Russia and China won't vote with us in the security council to shut down Iran?


But are biggest allies and trading partners (Japan and Europe) are tied to the area. If thier economies go south, so does ours. At the same time I expect to see more Chinese focus on the region due to the critical part it plays in thier economy.

[TailgateNut]

get your pop corn welcome to the "End Times"


Once it starts, you wont need a microwave oven. Just lay that bag of popcorn outside for four minutes, and it'll be done!

[baja]

Once it starts, you wont need a microwave oven. Just lay that bag of popcorn outside for four minutes, and it'll be done!

I'm going to Barzil tomorrow for 3 weeks. partly for some R&R in Rio but most of the time will be spent looking around Barzilia, the Baja is a little too close to ground zero given the times.

[elsid13]

Once it starts, you wont need a microwave oven. Just lay that bag of popcorn outside for four minutes, and it'll be done!


Try 4 seconds not 4 minutes.

[Bronx33]

And yet they send 50 million to the palestinians.


http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/15/D8H0L008A.html

Iran's success in producing enriched uranium for the first time may have increased national pride, but hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is annoying predecessors by claiming the achievement in his name alone.

And others, including some among the president's supporters, worry his tough rhetoric is intensifying international anxiety over the nuclear program and worsening the country's isolation.

On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran successfully enriched uranium using 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large- scale production of a material that can be used to fuel nuclear reactors for generating electricity _ or to build atomic bombs.

Iran insists it is interested only in the peaceful use of nuclear power, but the United States and others suspect the regime wants to develop weapons and are demanding a halt to enrichment activities.

Since his announcement, Ahmadinejad has been even more defiant in defending his country's decision to press ahead with its nuclear program over the U.N. Security Council's objections.

Ahmadinejad rebuffed a request Thursday by Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran suspend uranium enrichment, saying Tehran will not retreat "one iota."

To those upset by that stance, he said, "Be angry at us and die of this anger."

A day later, he turned up the heat in anti-Israel rhetoric that has brought international condemnation, calling the Jewish state a "rotten, dried tree" that will be annihilated by "one storm." He previously angered many world leaders by calling for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Such talk has some in this conservative Islamic nation concerned.

"The more Ahmadinejad confronts the international community, the more power he may show to his public in the short term but deny Iran a good life among world nations in the long term," said Hossein Salimi, a professor of international relations in Tehran.

For now, it's a minority opinion. The president's tough talk resounds with many Iranians.

"Ahmadinejad is a source of pride for resisting the U.S. and defending Iran's nuclear rights," said Ali Mahmoudi, a regular attendee of Friday prayers in this strongly religious nation.

Still, the president may have alienated potential allies with this enrichment announcement because he didn't cite former Iranian leaders or thank them for their efforts in the program.

"Ahmadinejad spoke as if production of enriched uranium was his work. He didn't mention that it was the outcome of more than two decades of clandestine work by previous governments," said political analyst Saeed Leilaz.

In an apparent show of displeasure, ex-president Hashemi Rafsanjani tried to take some of the glory from Ahmadinejad by announcing the enrichment step several hours ahead of time.

Reformist Mohammad Khatami, who preceded Ahmadinejad as president, publicly reminded Iranians that the nuclear achievement was "the outcome of efforts by competent Iranian scientists, a process that had begun by previous governments."

Even some of Ahmadinejad's supporters are starting to question his tactics.

"Ahmadinejad has forgotten why he won the presidential vote. The needy voted for him because he promised to bring bread to people's homes but nothing good has been done to improve living standards," said Reza Lotfi, a student at Tehran University.

Mansour Ramezanpour, a construction worker, questioned why the government hasn't done more for the weak economy.

"Previously, I went to work four days a week. Now, not more than two days. Recession is everywhere," he said.

But Ahmadinejad appears determined to make the most of the nuclear card to bolster his standing among his people. It was no coincidence that he announced Iran had enriched uranium on April 9 _ the date that the United States severed ties with Iran in 1980.

He and other top leaders see the nuclear program as a level to get the United States to recognize Iran as a "big, regional power" and deal with it on that basis.

"The key problem between Iran and the U.S. is that Washington treats Iran as a non-grownup person. The Iranian leadership is very unhappy with this. Tehran wants America to treat Iran as a regional superpower," Leilaz said.

On Wednesday, Ahmadinejad sent a clear message that Iran expected to be treated as a peer.

"Today, our situation has changed completely. We are a nuclear country and speak to others from the position of a nuclear country," he said.

[baja]

Try 4 seconds not 4 minutes.

Actually it will depend where your sidewalk is located. Is vaporized popcorn fattening?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Actually it will depend where your sidewalk is located. Is vaporized popcorn fattening?

You can bet bush's base, i.e., the rapture right, is licking its collective chops in anticipation of "nucular" Armageddon.

Nuke Iran! Then Jesus will come back and set the price of oil at $14 a barrel.

:D

[TailgateNut]

You can bet bush's base, i.e., the rapture right, is licking its collective chops in anticipation of "nucular" Armageddon.

Nuke Iran! Then Jesus will come back and set the price of oil at $14 a barrel.

:D

Hence the reason for "Separation of Church and State"! Nothin' like a religious nutcase in the White House!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hence the reason for "Separation of Church and State"! Nothin' like a religious nutcase in the White House!

Quoted for truth.

http://www.bartcop.com/evolve-monkey.gif

[mosca]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2136638,00.html

IRAN has formed battalions of suicide bombers to strike at British and American targets if the nation’s nuclear sites are attacked. According to Iranian officials, 40,000 trained suicide bombers are ready for action.

The main force, named the Special Unit of Martyr Seekers in the Revolutionary Guards, was first seen last month when members marched in a military parade, dressed in olive-green uniforms with explosive packs around their waists and detonators held high.

Dr Hassan Abbasi, head of the Centre for Doctrinal Strategic Studies in the Revolutionary Guards, said in a speech that 29 western targets had been identified: “We are ready to attack American and British sensitive points if they attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.” He added that some of them were “quite close” to the Iranian border in Iraq.
currently i view this threat from iran as much more immediate and grave than that of a nuclear bomb. there is no doubt in my mind that if we or the israelis (possibly in conjunction) attacked a nuclear reactor in iran that these legions of suicidal fanatics would soon be unleashed upon the west. much easier method of delivery that could be at our backdoors before we know it... whatever nukes they might have are likely missile-delivered and can't come close to reaching the u.s.

we need to have some cruise missiles targeted at future military 'parades' of this sort, and at the recrtuitment centers that are lining up these sick individuals to strike at us. if there is war with iran hopefully it the planning of it, particularly post-initial attack, will be a little better than w/ iraq.

[Rohirrim]

Since the NFL is making us wait an extra two weeks for the draft this year, and I'm going friggin' nuts, I say we turn Iran into a big, smoking, sheet of glass... just to keep me entertained until the draft comes.

Life is just a video game, brother. :pimp:

[Bronx33]

currently i view this threat from iran as much more immediate and grave than that of a nuclear bomb. there is no doubt in my mind that if we or the israelis (possibly in conjunction) attacked a nuclear reactor in iran that these legions of suicidal fanatics would soon be unleashed upon the west. much easier method of delivery that could be at our backdoors before we know it... whatever nukes they might have are likely missile-delivered and can't come close to reaching the u.s.

we need to have some cruise missiles targeted at future military 'parades' of this sort, and at the recrtuitment centers that are lining up these sick individuals to strike at us. if there is war with iran hopefully it the planning of it, particularly post-initial attack, will be a little better than w/ iraq.


Check this artical out..

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5420

[bendog]

you guys keep thinking peace is one by war. It never has been and never will be. And, besides, bushii broke the army. We're dealing from weakness. Nixon was the last potus to be in this postion, and then it wasn't of that poor sob's making.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Since the NFL is making us wait an extra two weeks for the draft this year, and I'm going friggin' nuts, I say we turn Iran into a big, smoking, sheet of glass... just to keep me entertained until the draft comes.

Life is just a video game, brother. :pimp:

Dubya?

Is that you?

;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://www.bartcop.com/addiction-monkey.jpg

[SteveTensi13]

Thank the democrats for the iranian mess. If it wasn't for that wimp Jimmy Carter and his support for the ayatollah Khomenie in 1979 we wouldn't be in this mess. Then to top it all off Carter pretty much green lighted the Russians invasion of Afghanistan. Yea, those democrats are real good at foreign policy moves....not!

[Spider]

Thank the democrats for the iranian mess. If it wasn't for that wimp Jimmy Carter and his support for the ayatollah Khomenie in 1979 we wouldn't be in this mess. Then to top it all off Carter pretty much green lighted the Russians invasion of Afghanistan. Yea, those democrats are real good at foreign policy moves....not!
Damn lucky for the rest of us you are in New Mexico .. to think someone as stupid as you in America .............. Oh and Dipshít , reagan did alot when he had our Marines turn tail and run out of Beruit .........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Damn lucky for the rest of us you are in New Mexico .. to think someone as stupid as you in America ..............

:rofl:

No kidding.

He's living proof that the answer to GeeDubya's notorious question "is our children learning?" is a resounding "no" (at least where history is concerned.)

:D

[mosca]

Check this artical out..

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5420
decent read there, it gave me some new facts on iran's difficulty in using missiles as a nuke delivery system, but this paragraph stuck out at me and highlighted why a nuke in their hands is still something to worry over:

"This means that, if the Iranians were to roll out a bomb tomorrow, they would not yet have a weapon, because they don’t have a delivery system. The missiles – and that includes the Shahab-4, capable of reaching Israel – can’t handle the load. Iran possesses no strategic bombers. Their top-of-the-line fighter is an upgraded version of the Northrop F-5, a light ground-support aircraft. <b>Yes, they could use terror techniques – a bomb aboard a freighter or an airliner—but you can’t fight wars with freighters, and we keep an eye on airliners these days.</b>"

if one has a nuke there is no need to 'fight a war'... one freighter, airliner, or even truck to get through would do a ton of damage. not a chance that anyone wants to take.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thank the democrats for the iranian mess. If it wasn't for that wimp Jimmy Carter and his support for the ayatollah Khomenie in 1979 we wouldn't be in this mess. Then to top it all off Carter pretty much green lighted the Russians invasion of Afghanistan. Yea, those democrats are real good at foreign policy moves....not!

Another 'F' on your report card for World History. :dummy:

Go sit in the corner, and don't come back until you can tell us about Operation Ajax, the CIA's 1953 Iran coup, the installation of the Shah, and the fundamentalist blowback/backlash.

For extra credit, describe how another republican administration, 50 years later, is repeating the same mistakes in Iraq.

[Rohirrim]

Thank the democrats for the iranian mess. If it wasn't for that wimp Jimmy Carter and his support for the ayatollah Khomenie in 1979 we wouldn't be in this mess. Then to top it all off Carter pretty much green lighted the Russians invasion of Afghanistan. Yea, those democrats are real good at foreign policy moves....not!

That is one dipwad observation. I hope you were educated in a foreign country. I would hate to think that the American education system, which I pay taxes for, would turn out such a graduate. Read a book, and then come back.

[Bronx33]

decent read there, it gave me some new facts on iran's difficulty in using missiles as a nuke delivery system, but this paragraph stuck out at me and highlighted why a nuke in their hands is still something to worry over:

"This means that, if the Iranians were to roll out a bomb tomorrow, they would not yet have a weapon, because they don’t have a delivery system. The missiles – and that includes the Shahab-4, capable of reaching Israel – can’t handle the load. Iran possesses no strategic bombers. Their top-of-the-line fighter is an upgraded version of the Northrop F-5, a light ground-support aircraft. <b>Yes, they could use terror techniques – a bomb aboard a freighter or an airliner—but you can’t fight wars with freighters, and we keep an eye on airliners these days.</b>"

if one has a nuke there is no need to 'fight a war'... one freighter, airliner, or even truck to get through would do a ton of damage. not a chance that anyone wants to take.

Yep and that might explain the chest beating this early.

[defenseman]

To be honest, there is alot of "misinformed" hypothesis developed on this board, just like New Mexico's. Everyone has the right to an opinion, everyone has the right to make a fool of themselves when they open their collective mouths. That said, I'd not be casting stones in a house made of glass, unless your desire is to bring your own house down, which you eventually may I might add.....dman

[SteveTensi13]

Damn lucky for the rest of us you are in New Mexico .. to think someone as stupid as you in America .............. Oh and Dipshít , reagan did alot when he had our Marines turn tail and run out of Beruit .........

Hmmm, last time I looked New Mexico was one of the 50 states! And has been since 1912. Who looks stupid now? I give you an "F" on US Geography. Typical liberal.

[alkemical]

I hope the whole ME blows up and gets rid of that stupid piece of land

[Spider]

Hmmm, last time I looked New Mexico was one of the 50 states! And has been since 1912. Who looks stupid now? I give you an "F" on US Geography. Typical liberal.
you idiot , I guess I have to aim lower when dealing with you ............

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Debunking angrydramaqueen's right-wing jingoist propaganda...

Juan Cole: Christopher Hitchens owes me a big apology

Cole's photo essay today is powerful and heartbreaking. Besides nailing Hitchens, he debunks the alledged Ahmadinejad quote about "wiping Israel off the map."


The speech in Persian is here:

Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.

Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the page of time.

I should again underline that I personally despise everything Ahmadinejad stands for, not to mention the odious Khomeini, who had personal friends of mine killed so thoroughly that we have never recovered their bodies. Nor do I agree that the Israelis have no legitimate claim on any part of Jerusalem. And, I am not exactly a pacifist but have a strong preference for peaceful social activism over violence, so needless to say I condemn the sort of terror attacks against innocent civilians (including Arab Israelis) that we saw last week. I have not seen any credible evidence, however, that such attacks are the doing of Ahmadinejad, and in my view they are mainly the result of the expropriation and displacement of the long-suffering Palestinian people.

It is not realistic for Americans to call for Iran to talk directly to the Israeli government (though in the 1980s the Khomeinists did a lot of business with Israel) when the US government won't talk directly to the Iranians about most bilateral issues. In fact, an American willingness to engage in direct talks might well pave the way to an eventual settlement of these outstanding issues.

cheers

- Juan Cole

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitchens-hacker-and-hitchens.html

The support of Iranians for the US after 9-11 squandered by Bush...

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[Atlas]

Thank the democrats for the iranian mess. If it wasn't for that wimp Jimmy Carter and his support for the ayatollah Khomenie in 1979 we wouldn't be in this mess. Then to top it all off Carter pretty much green lighted the Russians invasion of Afghanistan. Yea, those democrats are real good at foreign policy moves....not!

I don't think Reagon selling missels to Iran for the release of the hostages exactly sent a good message either.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Iran threatens to hit Israel if U.S. does 'evil'

'The first place that we target will be Israel,' senior commander says



MSNBC News Services
Updated: 11:03 a.m. ET May 2, 2006

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran will target Israel first if the United States does anything “evil,” a senior commander in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards said on Tuesday.
The United States says it wants Iran’s nuclear standoff with the West (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12541482/) solved diplomatically but has refused to rule out military action.
“We have announced that wherever America does something evil, the first place that we target will be Israel,” Revolutionary Guards Rear Admiral Mohammad-Ebrahim Dehqani was quoted as saying by Iran’s student news agency ISNA.

The Islamic Republic has never recognised Israel and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for the country to be “wiped off the map.”
Dehqani said naval wargames held in the Gulf last month “carried the warning to those countries that threaten Iran, including America and the Zionist regime.”
Experts said the wargames, in which Iran said it had tested new missiles and torpedoes, were a thinly veiled threat that it could disrupt vital Gulf oil shipping lanes if it was attacked.
Israel: Iran a threat to us
Meanwhile, Israel’s military chief said in comments published Tuesday that the world has the military might to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz also said that if Iran does obtain nuclear capability, it will constitute a threat to Israel’s existence. When asked if the world can, militarily, stop Iran’s nuclear program, Halutz told the Maariv newspaper: “The answer is yes.”
Asked whether Israel would be involved in such a military operation against its top enemy, Halutz said, “We are part of the world.”
Western nations have been considering tough sanctions — not yet including military action — against Iran if it continues with its program to enrich uranium, a process that can produce fuel for a nuclear reactor or fissile material for a bomb. Iran contends it has a right to enrich uranium as long as it does not attempt to use it for nuclear weapons.
Bush has refused to rule out military action in response to the Iranian nuclear standoff. When asked last month whether U.S. options regarding Iran “include the possibility of a nuclear strike” if Tehran refuses to halt uranium enrichment, Bush replied, “All options are on the table.” He stressed, however, the United States will continue to focus on diplomacy.
In a letter to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan obtained by The Associated Press on Monday, Iran’s U.N. Ambassador Javad Zarif called Bush’s refusal to rule out a U.S. nuclear strike on Iran “illegal and insolent threats.”
Zarif said the use of “false pretexts” by senior U.S. officials “to make public and illegal threats of resort to force against the Islamic Republic of Iran is continuing unabated in total contempt of international law and fundamental principles of the United Nations Charter.”
The “U.S. aggressive policy” of contemplating the possible use of nuclear weapons also violates the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and other U.S. multilateral agreements, he said.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly spoken out against Israel and threatened to wipe it “off the map.”
'A dangerous combination for Israel'
While Israeli government and military officials had been very vocal in calling for action against Iran, they have toned down their comments in recent weeks, wishing to take a low profile as the world proceeds in its efforts to stop the Iranian program.
Officials from the five permanent U.N. Security Council members gather Tuesday in Paris to discuss International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei’s report to the council that Iran was in violation of the council’s demand that Tehran stop enriching uranium. The report opened the way for the council to take punitive measures against Iran, but immediate action is not likely because Russia and China are opposed to sanctions.
Israel is convinced international efforts against the Iranian program can help persuade Tehran to back down, Halutz said.
Halutz told Maariv it is not clear if Iran will be able to achieve nuclear capability by the end of the decade, as Israeli officials had predicted earlier. But if Iran does one day possess a nuclear weapon, it would constitute a threat to Israel’s existence, Halutz said.
“When the Iranians will have a nuclear, military capability, then we will be able to talk about an existential threat,” Halutz said. “If they have a nuclear weapon and the rulers speak as they do today, this combination will be a dangerous combination for Israel.”
The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.



I THINK WE NEED SOME SOUND PHILOSOPHY CLASSES IMPLEMENTED INTO THESE COUNTRIES - Gee whiz, we're stepping back 500 years. I'm gonna go ahead and call this one a war within the next 10 years - It's just gotta end with someone learning a HARD HARD lesson in reality and the true sense of 'evil'.

[Vegas_Bronco]

The support of Iranians for the US after 9-11 squandered by Bush...


Yeah, I just held a 5 person pro-Iranian Diplomacy Meeting in my back yard too and that damn Bush didn't show up LOL we had hot dogs and even relish, but still no Texans. You have got to be kidding.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The support of Iranians for the US after 9-11 squandered by Bush...


Yeah, I just held a 5 person pro-Iranian Diplomacy Meeting in my back yard too and that damn Bush didn't show up LOL we had hot dogs and even relish, but still no Texans. You have got to be kidding.

Yeah, who do we believe - you or our lyin' eyes?

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I don't think Reagon selling missels to Iran for the release of the hostages exactly sent a good message either.

But hey - at least oral sex wasn't involved.

That's all that matters, right?

[SactownOrangeSunday]

Oh great. Here we go....


Iran Leader: Israel Will Be Annihilated
Apr 14 12:34 PM US/Eastern
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By ALI AKBAR DAREINI
Associated Press Writer


TEHRAN, Iran


The president of Iran again lashed out at Israel on Friday and said it was "heading toward annihilation," just days after Tehran raised fears about its nuclear activities by saying it successfully enriched uranium for the first time.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Israel a "permanent threat" to the Middle East that will "soon" be liberated. He also appeared to again question whether the Holocaust really happened.

"Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation," Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a conference in support of the Palestinians. "The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."

Ahmadinejad provoked a world outcry in October when he said Israel should be "wiped off the map."

On Friday, he repeated his previous line on the Holocaust, saying: "If such a disaster is true, why should the people of this region pay the price? Why does the Palestinian nation have to be suppressed and have its land occupied?"

The land of Palestine, he said, referring to the British mandated territory that includes all of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank, "will be freed soon."

He did not say how this would be achieved, but insisted to the audience of at least 900 people: "Believe that Palestine will be freed soon."

"The existence of this (Israeli) regime is a permanent threat" to the Middle East, he added. "Its existence has harmed the dignity of Islamic nations."

The three-day conference on Palestine is being attended by officials of Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territories.

Iran has previously said it will give money to the Palestinian Authority to make up for the withdrawal of donations by Western nations who object to Hamas' refusal to recognize Israel and renounce violence. But no figure has been published.

On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had successfully enriched uranium using a battery of 164 centrifuges, a significant step toward the large-scale production of enriched uranium required for either fueling nuclear reactors or making nuclear weapons.

The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.

The U.N. Security Council has given Iran until April 28 to cease enrichment. But Iran has rejected the demand.

The chief of Israeli military intelligence, Maj. Gen. Amos Yadlin, was quoted Wednesday as saying Iran could develop a nuclear bomb "within three years, by the end of the decade."

So what if they threaten. Does anyone really think the Isreali's cant take down pretty much all of the Arab world by themselves anyways. Hello, Arabs nations have begun two wars of aggression trying to destroy Isreal and Isreal knocked the crap out of them.

[defenseman]

Give that guy in Iran a Nuke, he will reke havoc in the middle east , I gaurantee it..stand idly by , you welcome the inevitable....dman

[SactownOrangeSunday]

You can bet bush's base, i.e., the rapture right, is licking its collective chops in anticipation of "nucular" Armageddon.

Nuke Iran! Then Jesus will come back and set the price of oil at $14 a barrel.

:D


I see you are so critical of Bush, but tell me in the 90's when N. Korea, Iran, Libya, and other nations began setting up infrastructure to build these weapons were was Clinton and the Dems, o thats right presiding over an economy that was hyper inflated because they allowed the books to be cooked.

[Spider]

I see you are so critical of Bush, but tell me in the 90's when N. Korea, Iran, Libya, and other nations began setting up infrastructure to build these weapons were was Clinton and the Dems, o thats right presiding over an economy that was hyper inflated because they allowed the books to be cooked.
wow ....... just wow ....... so much for touching base with reality

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

wow ....... just wow ....... so much for touching base with reality

:rofl:

I've seen some serious right-wing revisionist history, but this guy takes the freakin' cake.

[Spider]

:rofl:

I've seen some serious right-wing revisionist history, but this guy takes the freakin' cake.
Sactown has to be a plant ....... not even the 34% are as hardcore as this

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Sactown has to be a plant ....... not even the 34% are as hardcore as this

Either that or the guy has been living in a bunker with nothing but Rehab Rush piped in for the last 20 years.

:D

[alkemical]

I see you are so critical of Bush, but tell me in the 90's when N. Korea, Iran, Libya, and other nations began setting up infrastructure to build these weapons were was Clinton and the Dems, o thats right presiding over an economy that was hyper inflated because they allowed the books to be cooked.


yes and rumsfield was CEO of a company that sold NK said technology.

[defenseman]

So what? You don't want to take this guy serious? IF, he is playing ball and decides that he WILL take action, what do you do? Let him run amuck? You can't , eventually he'll get around to us in one way , shape or form. Gauranteed. Rhetoric is what it is. BUT, you don't threaten countries with annihilation and expect no repercussions...dman

[Spider]

So what? You don't want to take this guy serious? IF, he is playing ball and decides that he WILL take action, what do you do? Let him run amuck? You can't , eventually he'll get around to us in one way , shape or form. Gauranteed. Rhetoric is what it is. BUT, you don't threaten countries with annihilation and expect no repercussions...dman
I would threaten China , hey keep Kim Jong in line ,cause I dont know how long we can keep this trade agreement going .. who in the hell will Chinia sell to that has the buying power we do ? even a communist feels the pain of a pocket book hit

[defenseman]

Exactly. And, if GW doesn't figure that out, and quit negotiating from the "red headed step child" ...excuse the phrase please, just trying to make a point...he will continue to erode the "power base" that comes from being the biggest and baddest kid on the block. We need to go at some of these negotiations and go on the attack, quietly but carry a huge f**king stick, and show it to them. I gaurantee you, that bozo in Iran gets a nuke, that my friends is a big stick and he won't be quiet about it...dman

[Spider]

Exactly. And, if GW doesn't figure that out, and quit negotiating from the "red headed step child" ...excuse the phrase please, just trying to make a point...he will continue to erode the "power base" that comes from being the biggest and baddest kid on the block. We need to go at some of these negotiations and go on the attack, quietly but carry a huge ****ing stick, and show it to them. I gaurantee you, that bozo in Iran gets a nuke, that my friends is a big stick and he won't be quiet about it...dman
get out of the prevent defense and start laying down the law .........

[defenseman]

Correct, and don't threaten, act without an iota of forewarning publically. Trust me, it's no different than raising kids to respect their grand parents, parents, and their country. And, they learn talk is cheap. Actions truley do speak louder than words. ..dman

*my youngest made a snide comment to me ONCE, in front of my wife, dad and mom. I about took the back of his head off. He has NEVER done that again. He learned very quickly, if you're going to make a point, you better do it correctly, or you may end up on your a$$...dman

[Spider]

i agree . hit em in the pocket book , if that dont work park a Battleship on thier doorstep .....

[Bronx33]

Correct, and don't threaten, act without an iota of forewarning publically. Trust me, it's no different than raising kids to respect their grand parents, parents, and their country. And, they learn talk is cheap. Actions truley do speak louder than words. ..dman

*my youngest made a snide comment to me ONCE, in front of my wife, dad and mom. I about took the back of his head off. He has NEVER done that again. He learned very quickly, if you're going to make a point, you better do it correctly, or you may end up on your a$$...dman

I have a 16 year old that pushes that envelope every once in awhile (and yes i remind him)

[defenseman]

My take on the "youth" of the today who "push the envelope" (well put statement) is that they are really "crying" for direction and some discipline to be injected into their lives. I'm more than happy to oblige...dman

[alkemical]

heh, dman - i was that type - except i had good social commentary :)

[defenseman]

Soooo, you could make your point w/o pissing off everyone, and being a smarta$$....that's a good trait to have....I'm assuming I'm correct on my read...dman

*Are you in sales?

[alkemical]

Soooo, you could make your point w/o pissing off everyone, and being a smarta$$....that's a good trait to have....I'm assuming I'm correct on my read...dman

*Are you in sales?


No dman, not sales - Lots of I.T. stuff though -


I pissed people off, but those that were mad - were made because I was right. Not to mention, when i was wrong, i fully admitted to being wrong.

[defenseman]

Sounds like a fair shake to me. My son, in his youthful exuberance, his mouth was writing a check that his body needed to cash. So I cashed it for him....he's a good kid , don't get me wrong, but there is a right and wrong way to deal with people, and he most assuredly crossed it...dman

*good character trait, when you're right, stick to your guns, wrong, admit it. I will say, having spent a few years in todays society, even "right" doesn't win the day sometimes. Often though, the "right" side of the fence lost because of the method of "delivery". Social skills are important..

[alkemical]

most defintly dman. I just had a knack for dealing with people. I even have some years of being 'on-air' (i did some radio) - most important skills - make people believe you are interested, sell your point of view - and sometimes - you just have to bite your tongue and just pick your battles.


oh yeah, and be genuine - nothing is worse than not being 'you'.

i might not be a whole lot older than your boy, probably 10yrs at most

[defenseman]

most defintly dman. I just had a knack for dealing with people. I even have some years of being 'on-air' (i did some radio) - most important skills - make people believe you are interested, sell your point of view - and sometimes - you just have to bite your tongue and just pick your battles.


oh yeah, and be genuine - nothing is worse than not being 'you'.

i might not be a whole lot older than your boy, probably 10yrs at most

In sales, listen and show interest, sell to the need and the want. AND there is always a need behind the need(NBN). When you sell to the NBN you are successful nearly 100 % of the time. NBN is the most important attack point from my prespective. See there, you may possess alot of the necessary tools of a solid salesman, and not know it. In addition, asking the correct question given facts is absolutely imperative to getting to the NBN. Outstanding managers and in many cases educators have these skills also. Lots of areas to flourish if one has the necessary traits...dman

My youngest son is 15, oldest is finishing up his BS in PolySci at UNO...

[alkemical]

In sales, listen and show interest, sell to the need and the want. AND there is always a need behind the need(NBN). When you sell to the NBN you are successful nearly 100 % of the time. NBN is the most important attack point from my prespective. See there, you may possess alot of the necessary tools of a solid salesman, and not know it. In addition, asking the correct question given facts is absolutely imperative to getting to the NBN. Outstanding managers and in many cases educators have these skills also. Lots of areas to flourish if one has the necessary traits...dman

My youngest son is 15, oldest is finishing up his BS in PolySci at UNO...


ahh - i'm only 12yrs on him then -

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

BUT, you don't threaten countries with annihilation and expect no repercussions...dman

You're behind the info curve.

Cole's photo essay today is powerful and heartbreaking. Besides nailing Hitchens, he debunks the alledged Ahmadinejad quote about "wiping Israel off the map."


The speech in Persian is here:

Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.

Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the page of time.

I should again underline that I personally despise everything Ahmadinejad stands for, not to mention the odious Khomeini, who had personal friends of mine killed so thoroughly that we have never recovered their bodies. Nor do I agree that the Israelis have no legitimate claim on any part of Jerusalem. And, I am not exactly a pacifist but have a strong preference for peaceful social activism over violence, so needless to say I condemn the sort of terror attacks against innocent civilians (including Arab Israelis) that we saw last week. I have not seen any credible evidence, however, that such attacks are the doing of Ahmadinejad, and in my view they are mainly the result of the expropriation and displacement of the long-suffering Palestinian people.

It is not realistic for Americans to call for Iran to talk directly to the Israeli government (though in the 1980s the Khomeinists did a lot of business with Israel) when the US government won't talk directly to the Iranians about most bilateral issues. In fact, an American willingness to engage in direct talks might well pave the way to an eventual settlement of these outstanding issues.

cheers

- Juan Cole

http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

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I know how folks like dman distrust those fancy-pants, book-readin' type sources, so here it is straight from your own newsmax.com (from your own Mr. Death Squad himself, no less!)

Negroponte: Iran Nuclear Claims Exaggerated

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/19/222908.shtml

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Why is LABF covering and spinning for that scumbag Ahmadinejad?

Is it because he takes "An enemy of my enemy is my friend" waaaay too literally, or is it because he hates Jews as well?

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The axis of oil (err, gas)

Chavez's take is corroborated by recent revelations by General Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff of former secretary of state Colin Powell. In May 2003, just after President George W Bush had pronounced "mission accomplished" in Iraq, the Iranian leadership asked the Swiss ambassador to Tehran to convey to Washington a request for talks.

Tehran would answer all American questions on its nuclear program; then sanctions could be lifted and normal relations established.

According to Wilkerson, his boss was in favor. But Vice President Dick Cheney wasn't. Cheney and the neo-conservatives, said Wilkerson, then forced the State Department to ignore the Swiss ambassador and the Iranian request, and started to build up the demonization of Iran.

Meanwhile, Chavez said, Venezuela was at the heart of the South American mega pipeline from the beginning. "Then came Lula . We started to talk about it, and started to exchange information with Petrobras . We wanted a strategic project of exploration. Not even we Venezuelans knew about our reserves."

Officially, Venezuela holds gas reserves of 151 trillion cubic feet (compared to the US's 189 trillion cubic feet); that means almost 50% of the reserves of the whole continent, 80% of South America's reserves and, the president stressed, "5% of the reserves of the whole world".

The gas will be sold in South America "very cheaply", as Chavez confirms that Petroleos de Venezuela, SA or PDVSA, the Venezuelan oil and gas giant, is part of the pipeline project. "If Venezuela was only moved by an economic-financial interest, I wouldn't be here; I would be in Washington," he said.

He delights in quoting Venezuela's oil reserves - "313 billion barrels" - adding that the days when the country "was an American oil colony" are over. Venezuela, he said, was "currently producing 3 billion cubic feet of gas a day". But it is not exporting anything, at least not yet. "The first exports will be to South America..."

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1721

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Sigh. Yet another LABF wet dream about Chavez. Snore.