View Full Version : LenDale White has torn hamstring
Great13
04-13-2006, 04:19 PM
How far does he drop now?
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3707673
nfl
White has hamstring tear
RB feels vindicated after combine controversy
When the official diagnosis was delivered showing a greater degree of severity than initially surmised, running back LenDale White felt not pain, but relief.
Results of an MRI on White's powerful, but troublesome right hamstring came back Thursday showing a moderate tear near the pelvic region, according to Dr. Randall Eldridge, a Denver chiropractor renowned for his treatment of musculoskeletal injuries.
The hamstring tear will sideline the former Chatfield High School and University of Southern California star until mid-May, which means White will not have a personal workout prior to the April 29 NFL draft and may not be ready for the mini-camp of the NFL team that selects him.
"He should recover fine," Dr. Eldridge said. "He just needs time to heal. But I could see where he would have been in considerable pain had he tried to run."
This is a rare case when an injury brought not bitterness but sweet vindication to an athlete. Unable to work out at the NFL scouting combine in late-February in Indianapolis or at the USC pro day on April 2, White was criticized as a malingerer.
His feelings hurt and ego bruised, the MRI finding helped White salvage some respect.
"This validates that the reason I didn't run wasn't because I didn't want to, wasn't because I was lazy, but because I was injured," White said. "I did everything I possibly could to get ready for our pro day, but I knew something wasn't right with my leg. Now I've got a doctor with 100 percent expertise on hamstrings saying I have a tear. To me, it proves the attacks against me were unjust."
Considered among the best of the "big backs" available in the NFL draft, White initially was projected to go midway through the first round. Expectations rose to around the 10th overall pick amid reports he had lost weight from the 252 pounds he carried for 124 yards and three touchdowns in the national championship game against Texas, to around 235 pounds in anticipation of running the 40-yard dash in less than 4.5 seconds for NFL scouts.
But then White said he initially felt his hamstring go while working out on a Cybex machine, which measures knee strength, during the scouting combine. White, 21, decided against running in Indianapolis believing he would be at full speed by the time USC held its pro workout.
The hamstring pain persisted, though, and when he didn't run the 40 in Los Angeles, White received stinging criticism from NFL coaches and draft pundits for not getting himself physically ready for his tryout.
His draft projections have since fell to late in the first round to midway through the second.
"Everybody in California was telling him he needed to run," said Herman White, LenDale's uncle and professional advisor. "Had he listened to everybody out there and ran with this tear, his hamstring would have ripped apart, and there's no telling how long he would have been out."
White hopes the tear found in his hamstring will ease NFL executive concerns about his work ethic. The extent of the potential damage to his draft value, however, won't be known until April 29.
"I think this (medical) report brings it back to where it was before the USC pro day," White said. ""It comes down to whether a team wants a big back or a smaller back. This class of running backs basically has me as the only big back and everybody else is 217 or less."
Clockwork Orange
04-13-2006, 04:23 PM
I'd still take him. So he misses mini-camp, big deal. He'll be good to go by July when training camp opens up. Not to mention he'll be pissed off and ready to prove a lot of people wrong.
Paladin
04-13-2006, 04:24 PM
Interesting.......
Makes the debates here a bit more challenging.....
Gentlemen, start your keyboards.........
yerner
04-13-2006, 04:25 PM
ahh.. bs. so it goes.
FantomForce
04-13-2006, 04:27 PM
Great now he neads a bro for the boobs and an oversized diaper to keep all the rest of his sh*t together
elsid13
04-13-2006, 04:30 PM
Really convenient. Wonder why it took so long to find the problem, and why the doctors at the NFL combine did highlight it.
Rock Chalk
04-13-2006, 04:43 PM
Really convenient. Wonder why it took so long to find the problem, and why the doctors at the NFL combine did highlight it.
You obviously know nothing about medicine.
anthonypacino
04-13-2006, 04:45 PM
His old school USC is hurting pretty bad too, Herschel Dennis and his back-up are done for the season. Dennis blew out the same knee he had before that allowed White and Bush to start over him, Coach Carroll said that he will try to get him another medical red-shirt. And USC's predicted starting QB has been sidelined all of spring practice with back spasams.
Back to the subject of White...
I hope Denver doesn't fall back into the trap of drafting hurt players.
maven
04-13-2006, 04:47 PM
That seals it. Denver will draft him now & Jason Allen with the 22nd pick.
elsid13
04-13-2006, 04:50 PM
You obviously know nothing about medicine.
Since I never pretend to be a doctor like some on the board, you right I know little about medicine. But knowing that my future was on the line and that I was having serious hamstring problems, I would have been in to see a specialist a lot sooner then now. It is weird timing, and there will many that questions that timing.
eddie mac
04-13-2006, 05:08 PM
Denver will draft White at 15 and DeAngelo at 22 for insurance.LOL
WoodMan
04-13-2006, 05:11 PM
Denver will draft White at 15 and DeAngelo at 22 for insurance.LOL
Then they can pick up Joseph Addai in the second round! Seems like Shanahan logic to me.
Bob's your Information Minister
04-13-2006, 05:14 PM
Isn't there a question about White falling now because of the injury?
I'd think Denver could grab him in the 2nd.
Then they can pick up Joseph Addai in the second round! Seems like Shanahan logic to me.
That seems most logical at this point. We may need to trade up in the 2nd or trade down from 22 and pick up a high 2nd to get Addai ... but I like that better than drafting LW.
Taco John
04-13-2006, 05:28 PM
Isn't there a question about White falling now because of the injury?
I'd think Denver could grab him in the 2nd.
I doubt that the Steelers would let him get past them.
12th man
04-13-2006, 05:41 PM
I doubt that the Steelers would let him get past them.
I don't think the steelers need him. they have a good rb in willie parker and I garuntee he will be the starter. then they have duece stalely, and verhon haynes. where did all this LW speculation going to Pitt come to be?
elsid13
04-13-2006, 05:43 PM
I don't think the steelers need him. they have a good rb in willie parker and I garuntee he will be the starter. then they have duece stalely, and verhon haynes. where did all this LW speculation going to Pitt come to be?
Because of the manboobs resembles Bettis. But you are correct the main running back on that team is Parker, Bettis was short yardage specialist. So would draft a 1st rounder to be part time player? Steelers need to get a WR, and defense line help before they need another running back.
I'd still take him. So he misses mini-camp, big deal. He'll be good to go by July when training camp opens up. Not to mention he'll be pissed off and ready to prove a lot of people wrong.
I don't know if the injury is bad enough for us to take him the first round. Maybe if we threw in an ACL, he'd be Broncos first round material. (You can tell I'm still annoyed about Middlebrooks and Toviesi.)
2KBack
04-13-2006, 05:44 PM
Since I never pretend to be a doctor like some on the board, you right I know little about medicine. But knowing that my future was on the line and that I was having serious hamstring problems, I would have been in to see a specialist a lot sooner then now. It is weird timing, and there will many that questions that timing.
Hamstrings are funny like that. Sometimes they heal magically overnight, other times a slight pull naggs for weeks, I'm not surprised he let it go so long, thinking it would be okay with a little time.
TexanBob
04-13-2006, 05:45 PM
I doubt that the Steelers would let him get past them.
Bingo. Say hello to "Little Bus". If McGahee can still go in the first with a bad knee ligament, White will get taken with a bad hammy.
And if White or his "uncle/advisor" are checking in, I have three words for you bro - "support panty hose". Earl Campbell wore them after his hammies kept pulling in college. Wore them starting with his Heisman senior season and never suffered a pulled hammy after that. Yeah, I know, LD, the rose goes in the front big boy, etc. but you can laugh about it all the way to Honolulu.
elsid13
04-13-2006, 05:47 PM
Hamstrings are funny like that. Sometimes they heal magically overnight, other times a slight pull naggs for weeks, I'm not surprised he let it go so long, thinking it would be okay with a little time.
Explains why he didn't run, but not the fact he couldn't lift and the fact he gained weight since the combine. Front offices across the league are going to question his comment. Everyone in NFL can play, it come down who wants to be the best.
2KBack
04-13-2006, 05:51 PM
Explains why he didn't run, but not the fact he couldn't lift and the fact he gained weight since the combine. Front offices across the league are going to question his comment. Everyone in NFL can play, it come down who wants to be the best.
Oh yeah, I'm not saying he isn't lazy. Not running is no excuse for man-boobs
rbackfactory80
04-13-2006, 05:54 PM
In July he will look like the Fridge.
2KBack
04-13-2006, 05:56 PM
In July he will look like the Fridge.
The fridge now?
Clockwork Orange
04-13-2006, 05:59 PM
Yeah, I know, LD, the rose goes in the front big boy, etc. but you can laugh about it all the way to Honolulu.
LOL
"That's hot. No, I mean it, that's hot."
cutthemdown
04-13-2006, 06:03 PM
lendale white has a nose for the endzone and would be great for Broncos in the red zone. Having a back that big with a nose for the endzone could mean an extra 5 tds on the yr.
Arkie
04-13-2006, 06:04 PM
Because of the manboobs resembles Bettis. But you are correct the main running back on that team is Parker, Bettis was short yardage specialist. So would draft a 1st rounder to be part time player? Steelers need to get a WR, and defense line help before they need another running back.
It's because White resembles a young Bus. Bettis wasn't a short yardage specialist until the last few years.
Bronco_Beerslug
04-13-2006, 06:04 PM
He's over weight, has a bum leg and large breasts, he just went into the second round.
scorpio
04-13-2006, 06:14 PM
Because of the manboobs resembles Bettis. But you are correct the main running back on that team is Parker, Bettis was short yardage specialist. So would draft a 1st rounder to be part time player? Steelers need to get a WR, and defense line help before they need another running back.
Bettis was only a short yardage specialist because he was old and they needed to limit the wear on his body.
A 22 year old Bettis would start over Willie Parker.
cutthemdown
04-13-2006, 06:16 PM
Isn't there a question about White falling now because of the injury?
I'd think Denver could grab him in the 2nd.
I still think white gets drafted no lower then steelers with last pick in round one.
Rohirrim
04-13-2006, 06:21 PM
I'd still take him. So he misses mini-camp, big deal. He'll be good to go by July when training camp opens up. Not to mention he'll be pissed off and ready to prove a lot of people wrong.
I agree 100%.
rubaiyat
04-13-2006, 06:23 PM
I'd still take him. So he misses mini-camp, big deal. He'll be good to go by July when training camp opens up. Not to mention he'll be pissed off and ready to prove a lot of people wrong.
OTOH this could just be a smokescreen to get him a higher draft position than he's earned.
He may very well be injured, I'd want a second opinion before dropping a pick on him though.
Tombstone RJ
04-13-2006, 06:25 PM
I'd take White at #22, even with the hammy.
broncohaven
04-13-2006, 06:26 PM
He seems a little too excited to be injured if you ask me. "I told all those punks who tried to tarnish my name and disrespect me". Um, Lendale, you might want to try, "I'm going to bust my butt to rehab this thing so that I can be ready for minicamp." Given his growing rep as a slacker, this isn't the time to jump up on a soap box and start thumping his chest.
He's still plummeting if you ask me. He'll weigh 270 by may if he can't run. Maybe he can play DT.
elsid13
04-13-2006, 06:28 PM
It's because White resembles a young Bus. Bettis wasn't a short yardage specialist until the last few years..
Bettis was only a short yardage specialist because he was old and they needed to limit the wear on his body.
A 22 year old Bettis would start over Willie Parker.
The steelers have greater need for line and secondary help then they have for runner. The combo of Stanley and Parker are more the adequate to be successfully. Just because White is large power back doesn't make him a young Bus. White was good running back on very good offense team and in IMO slightly over valued by many folks on the internet.
crazyhorse
04-13-2006, 06:33 PM
Lelie had chronic hamstring problems during the combine and before the draft.
SoCalBronco
04-13-2006, 06:35 PM
I'll still take him at 15. I dont care.
Dont wait till 22, New England will steal him right in front of us.
scorpio
04-13-2006, 06:46 PM
He seems a little too excited to be injured if you ask me. "I told all those punks who tried to tarnish my name and disrespect me". Um, Lendale, you might want to try, "I'm going to bust my butt to rehab this thing so that I can be ready for minicamp." Given his growing rep as a slacker, this isn't the time to jump up on a soap box and start thumping his chest.
He's still plummeting if you ask me. He'll weigh 270 by may if he can't run. Maybe he can play DT.
If he listens to a nutritionist he should be able to lean up significantly even without hardcore workouts. Diet is the biggest factor in body composition, although high levels of activity can compensate for a poor diet to a certain extent.
broncohaven
04-13-2006, 06:50 PM
If he listens to a nutritionist he should be able to lean up significantly even without hardcore workouts. Diet is the biggest factor in body composition, although high levels of activity can compensate for a poor diet to a certain extent.
Given his rebuke of the media for tarnishing his name, I give "listening to a nutritionist" even odds with snowballs chance in you know where. Disciplined eating doesn't seem to be on this kid's radar either.
Kaylore
04-13-2006, 07:10 PM
You are all crazy. Every week I hear one more reason to pass on the guy and every week some of you put fingers in your ears, close your eyes and go "DON'T CARE, DON'T CARE, LALALALALALA!!!"
This is getting weird. A 15th? NO!
You can look at this two fold... the guy had a legitimate reason but he also has legitimate talent. I'm not sold on him not being totally lazy but the talent is there. I'm sure CP wasn't the hardest worker either, he was just on the lighter side of the spectrum. With that being said we could easily still take a flyer on White. This would be a great situation for him. He could come into Denver and be given a chance to heal. Hell, most of our 1st year players never sprint out the gates with the starting job, rather taking the reigns in week 3, 4, or 5.
Bronco_Beerslug
04-13-2006, 07:15 PM
You are all crazy. Every week I hear one more reason to pass on the guy and every week some of you put fingers in your ears, close your eyes and go "DON'T CARE, DON'T CARE, LALALALALALA!!!"
This is getting weird. A 15th? NO!No way do we take this overweight slacker with a bum leg at 15.
anthonypacino
04-13-2006, 07:17 PM
It's because White resembles a young Bus. Bettis wasn't a short yardage specialist until the last few years.
ANd even then he wasn't that great, if he was then Big Ben wouldn't have had to make a game saving tackle against the Colts.
anthonypacino
04-13-2006, 07:19 PM
Cedric Humes doesn't have any injuries...;)
Merlin
04-13-2006, 07:25 PM
No way do we take this overweight slacker with a bum leg at 15.
If they want him (or another top RB) they should trade #22 for a high second draft choice and other picks (e.g. a high third this yr and another second and fourth next yr). He is VERY likely to drop out of the first round. BTW, NE is highly unlikely to pick him of all the RBs. They put a lot of emphasis on intelligence and how the psyche of the player suits the team. LW did very poorly in school and has the reputation of a slacker, not BB material.
WaffleBoy
04-13-2006, 07:27 PM
I see White as a Steeler. ;D
The Boy Wonder :super:
broncohaven
04-13-2006, 07:30 PM
I see White as a Steeler. ;D
The Boy Wonder :super:I hope so.
Drafting LW at either 15 or 22 would bring back visions of Willie Middlebrooks.
I doubt that the Steelers would let him get past them.
Yep the Steelers will probably replace the Bus for the next ten seasons with the 32 pick, damn their positioning has been great in recent years. Big Ben fell to them at what 12 or something like that?
I remember Mock and I were screeming for shanny to trade up and grab Big Ben as he was falling....
watermock
04-13-2006, 09:39 PM
Yeah, he won't last past the Steelers IMO. Even in the bench where he did worse than Bloom, you use some leg. I don't see any way he gets taken by Denver. Dayne, Cobbs, Sapp and Kyle all have good size as well as Tater. Cobbs is better than people think, he's been injured.
I'm starting to warm up a little on Bloom for punt returns since we should just let DWill play corner at this point. Last pick in the 4th? Kiper was saying he had great hands and is a fantastic punt returner.
JCMElway
04-13-2006, 10:07 PM
I think we grab Jackson at #15 and the best available RB at #22, unless we trade up. I think the order of backs will go, LenDale, DW2, Maroney. We'll be happy with whoever is there.
We'll get a DT/DE in the 2nd and TE in the third.
NFLBRONCO
04-13-2006, 10:20 PM
I think we grab Jackson at #15 and the best available RB at #22, unless we trade up. I think the order of backs will go, LenDale, DW2, Maroney. We'll be happy with whoever is there.
We'll get a DT/DE in the 2nd and TE in the third.
No TE in 3rd we do not have a 3rd rounder :)
ludo21
04-13-2006, 10:25 PM
If DEnver wants him they have to take him at 22 imo.
IF they think hes worth it, i do too.
JCMElway
04-13-2006, 10:26 PM
No TE in 3rd we do not have a 3rd rounder :)
That's right. I was thinking of our two 4th rounders.
ludo21
04-13-2006, 10:31 PM
That's right. I was thinking of our two 4th rounders.
we have 3 4ths.. :sunshine:
I can see us ending with a 3rd rounder in this draft somehow.
youcandoit1687
04-13-2006, 11:24 PM
why should we go with so much offense in the first round i think that manny lawson would be great at 22 after chad jackson at 15. kiper has jackson as i think 20ish on his big board but we all know the WR situation. I dont know why nobody is hot on lawson he did everything better than mario at the combines and while he may not have played the best this season he def has the potential to be big. btw i think the RB situation goes Bush,DW,Maroney, Addai/LDW
gunns
04-13-2006, 11:28 PM
why should we go with so much offense in the first round i think that manny lawson would be great at 22 after chad jackson at 15. kiper has jackson as i think 20ish on his big board but we all know the WR situation. I dont know why nobody is hot on lawson he did everything better than mario at the combines and while he may not have played the best this season he def has the potential to be big. btw i think the RB situation goes Bush,DW,Maroney, Addai/LDW
I agree on Lawson and please, please NO WR in the first. A great cover free safety would finally get me over us taking Lelie over Ed Reed.
Why are people acting like this injury is serious? It's not much more than a tweaked hamstring. White doesn't have a history of nagging injuries and he's shown that he's been pretty durable throughout his college career. The only reason his draft status is in question is because of work ethic and possible character issues, not because of a minor hamstring pull.
BigPlayShay
04-13-2006, 11:38 PM
Glad to see he feels vindicated. Still doesn't explain why he only put up one more rep on the bench than the USC punter, but I would still take him with either the 15 or 22.
youcandoit1687
04-14-2006, 12:52 AM
i just dont see a FS who can get us over the hump immediately being available. if huff falls then hell ya take him. jimmy williams would be a consideration as well. on the wr situation i just think its time for us to return no matter how bad lelie may hurt, did we really expect a possession receiver...no, an occasional deep threat...yes,have we gotten that...occasionally. chad jackson can bulk up a little more the guy has great hands decent body size,great speed, and we can slot him for the beginning of this year until we start putting him in 1st and 2nd down situations, leaving lelie rested for 3rd and longs...am i the only kool aid sipper on this boat? i say 15 chad jackson 22 manny lawson 61 rod wright/gabe watson
Odysseus
04-14-2006, 01:01 AM
I doubt that the Steelers would let him get past them.
The Bus part deux.
NFLBRONCO
04-14-2006, 01:11 AM
What I don't get why not just say at combine or at pro day he tore his hammy.
Lestat
04-14-2006, 02:36 AM
overweight,hamstring problems,poor work ethic & a former potential 1st round pick since his frosh year
i hate to say it but Mo Clarett anyone? awfully similar so far
i would love to be able to trade down & snag him though, extra picks & bagging him would be awesome
Clockwork Orange
04-14-2006, 03:17 AM
i hate to say it but Mo Clarett anyone?
Really? When did LenDale sit out two years? When did he get in trouble with the law? When did he violate school rules? When did he drink alcohol in the weight room?
Jesus, the guy is injured. He didn't run a 40 with a torn hamstring, yeah, I guess that makes him lazy and unmotivated. ::)
Say what you will, but the fact is that he's a badass on the football field and would be dominant in this system.
I hope to God the Broncos draft him, the meltdown on this board will be priceless. The dishing out of crow during the season will be even better.
I don't see the Steelers taking an RB with their first pick. Parker was a nobody, he's started producing very well as a speed back. They'll look for a later round option for a short yardage back, and will go defense in the first round. I'd personally bet on them adding a big 3-4 style OLB or a CB.
I think White is going to feel quite the backlash from all his bad press and workouts (if you want to call them that). This RB class is not going to go as high as draft "experts" think, its reminding me of the year Steven Jackson came out,sliding late into the first round. We have Bush sitting at the top of the class, but after that the questions begin and bigger need position players start becoming more valid selections.
This draft has a great upper level DB class. The LBs are good too, and the DEs are real solid in the late first/early second. I'm betting we see Deangelo Williams hang out on the draft board until the early to mid 20's, Maroney is next, back end of the first, then White, Addai, and Maurice Drew will round out the second round, with a solid line classes pushing two of the three, if not all three, to the mid/late second.
RB in the NFL now is quickly becoming a low value position, many teams, like us, have reliably filled it with later round talent and the injury concerns latent with the position are too great. A deep all around draft like this gives FOs options about where to go with their picks, I think we'll see a wave of GMs steering clear of the RB position until later in the draft.
broncohaven
04-14-2006, 05:38 AM
RB in the first would be a waste. We had the second most prolific rushing attack in franchise history last year, led the league in rushing (I don't count Vick's yards as real rushing yards). I think Dayne is an upgrade over MA, and Bell will be an upgrade over himself with another year of experience.
The value for the Broncos is anywhere but at RB. The RB talent is the deepest in the draft. It makes no sense to use a first rounder on RB when players like Lawson, Hali, Kiwi, and Pope will be there and actually add value to the team.
Tom A Hawk
04-14-2006, 07:05 AM
Great now he neads a bro for the boobs and an oversized diaper to keep all the rest of his sh*t together
You don't suppose that "time to take the diaper off' comment will surface again?
BroncoInferno
04-14-2006, 07:23 AM
I'll still take him at 15. I dont care.
Dont wait till 22, New England will steal him right in front of us.
I doubt it. If they go the RB route, I think they will go with with DeAngelo. They seem to prefer backs who can catch the ball. I think it's more likely they will go for DB or LB depth.
Rascal
04-14-2006, 08:02 AM
Profootballtalk.com notes that a real doctor hasn't vouched for LenDale White's reported torn hamstring.
His diagnosis was made by a chiropractor. White's MRI does raise questions considering teams gave them their own physical recently. There's even a school of thought that says White is trying to hurt his stock because he's received a first-round promise, possibly from his hometown Broncos
NaptownChief
04-14-2006, 08:31 AM
There's even a school of thought that says White is trying to hurt his stock because he's received a first-round promise, possibly from his hometown Broncos
Or the Colts...I can't imagine a scenario where he would get by the Colts in the first round if he were to fall that far. Polian is on record multiple times saying he couldn't care less about combine workouts...he measures players on how they play on the field.
Rascal
04-14-2006, 08:33 AM
I agree Nap.
No way he gets out of the first round.
Play2win
04-14-2006, 09:14 AM
The best thing for LENDALE right now, be it if there was a "First Round Promise" or not, is to stay out of the press. I think anything more said to the press is just going to turn out negative. Or thats they way the press will make it turn out.
Just let the chips lay...
ludo21
04-14-2006, 09:18 AM
The best thing for LENDALE right now, be it if there was a "First Round Promise" or not, is to stay out of the press. I think anything more said to the press is just going to turn out negative. Or thats they way the press will make it turn out.
Just let the chips lay...
yep.
He will still be a first rounder imo. Either by us, Pats, or Steelers. He wont slip to far.
DarkHorse
04-14-2006, 09:21 AM
I'd still draft the guy. His on field production speaks volumes, in fact, if he's considered 'lazy' and 'unmotivated' hell, give me a team full of lazy unmotivated guys that produce like he does.
Bottom line is that football is played on the field - those that produce on the field deserve a shot.
youcandoit1687
04-14-2006, 02:12 PM
i think the only place that i like us going RB would be somewhere in the 2nd. i doubt anybody of the big five(bush,dw,ldw,maroney,and addai) fall to us but there could be an outside chance of addai there which i would love but why not move around a little to get into the early mid second(a 4 and a next year 3). that of course is if we go RB which i dont think we should