Another Broncos Draft Prediction Thread

[Drek]

Not just mine I hope, lets try to consolidate them all into one thread.

Here's mine.

1a: Jay Cutler
1b: Chad Jackson
2: Mike Kudla
4a: Dusty Dvoraceck
4b: Tim Day
4c: Mark Setterstrom
5: Rashad Butler
6: Gerrald Riggs Jr.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well Drek, can't say I am thrilled with a couple of your choices. I do like your fourth round, but I have watched Cutler several times and I think he has the upside of Brad Johnson or the like. I don't think he can add anthing for the Broncs. I also like Anderson of Alabama much better than Kudla. Maybe I just dont like that ka sound at the beginning of their names :). I know everyone talks about Denvers OL "system" but I think there are better picks than Setterstrom as the RG of the future. Broncs need a guy who can bull his way into the line and create enough of a crease for the back to get the tough yard. Riggs in the sixth would be a steal.

[ludo21]

Not just mine I hope, lets try to consolidate them all into one thread.

Here's mine.

1a: Jay Cutler DW2
1b: Chad Jackson Kiwi
2: Mike Kudla Klop
4a: Dusty Dvoraceck - i like
4b: Tim Day i also like, but i picked Klop, soo Adenjayu
4c: Mark Setterstrom like
5: Rashad Butler ok with
6: Gerrald Riggs Jr. ok

UDFA - Bloom

[Drek]

Well Drek, can't say I am thrilled with a couple of your choices.
I wouldn't be either, but its a draft I could see happening. If Cutler falls we're going to take him, and I think there's a good chance he falls.

Jackson is going to slide down further than most experts' mocks predict because he doesn't have the college production to back it up and there is a clear upper crust in this draft that none of the WRs can enter. Jackson could just as easily be replaced with Holmes or Moss however, depending on who Shanny crushes on. The last time we took a 1st round WR though was Lelie, that was a weak WR class as well.

Kudla in the 2nd is my "Shanny overpick" of the draft. He should be a 3rd rounder, might not actually go until the 4th. He's a talented kid though, and the Broncos had contact with him a while ago before the combine where he did nothing but impress. Allegedly we don't like any DEs in this draft. I think its more that we don't like any 1st round DEs and we'll see a percieved overpick in the 2nd when we take someone that the FO will then say was "their #1 DE on the board" yada yada. Anderson is a possiblity here though, so is Tapp or Edwards from Purdue.

Dvoraceck and Day both slide because of character concerns and both are one dimensional types, Dvoraceck needs to play in a one gap defense and Day needs a passing offense that utilizes the TE. I think both are good value, as long as they come into camp with their heads on straight. Typically Shanny reclaimation projects.

Setterstrom and Butler are OL picks for different purposes. Butler is a long term developmental guy. Setterstrom is a quick fix for a real lack of interior line depth, primarly at OG. Played in a zone blocking scheme, is mobile, and has good size. He should be able to take a second string job out of camp.

Riggs falls because teams question his durability and he doesn't show amazing open space moves, but is a downhill runner with good vision. He's just like every second day back we've taken in the Shanny/Turner era. Could be replaced with Mike Bell in the late 4th/5th rounds.

Not a draft I'd love, but a draft I could see the Broncos making.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I wouldn't be either, but its a draft I could see happening. If Cutler falls we're going to take him, and I think there's a good chance he falls.

Jackson is going to slide down further than most experts' mocks predict because he doesn't have the college production to back it up and there is a clear upper crust in this draft that none of the WRs can enter. Jackson could just as easily be replaced with Holmes or Moss however, depending on who Shanny crushes on. The last time we took a 1st round WR though was Lelie, that was a weak WR class as well.

Kudla in the 2nd is my "Shanny overpick" of the draft. He should be a 3rd rounder, might not actually go until the 4th. He's a talented kid though, and the Broncos had contact with him a while ago before the combine where he did nothing but impress. Allegedly we don't like any DEs in this draft. I think its more that we don't like any 1st round DEs and we'll see a percieved overpick in the 2nd when we take someone that the FO will then say was "their #1 DE on the board" yada yada. Anderson is a possiblity here though, so is Tapp or Edwards from Purdue.

Dvoraceck and Day both slide because of character concerns and both are one dimensional types, Dvoraceck needs to play in a one gap defense and Day needs a passing offense that utilizes the TE. I think both are good value, as long as they come into camp with their heads on straight. Typically Shanny reclaimation projects.

Setterstrom and Butler are OL picks for different purposes. Butler is a long term developmental guy. Setterstrom is a quick fix for a real lack of interior line depth, primarly at OG. Played in a zone blocking scheme, is mobile, and has good size. He should be able to take a second string job out of camp.

Riggs falls because teams question his durability and he doesn't show amazing open space moves, but is a downhill runner with good vision. He's just like every second day back we've taken in the Shanny/Turner era. Could be replaced with Mike Bell in the late 4th/5th rounds.

Not a draft I'd love, but a draft I could see the Broncos making.
Well thought out and reasonable, but I hope it does not fall that way. Every year we see one or two guys who the "experts" have classified as first rounders fall to rounds 3-4 and some guys get snagged much earlier than those "experts" think they should. With the talent in this draft, I expect that to happen even more this year. Should be fun and I expect us to all be sitting around on the 30th saying WTF.

[Arkansas Bronco]

If Cutler dropped to 15 we better take him to much value to skip over. Not saying I am wanting to replace Plummer just always good to be grooming a good qb that you didnt have to trade everything you have for.

[Play2win]

If Cutler dropped to 15 we better take him to much value to skip over. Not saying I am wanting to replace Plummer just always good to be grooming a good qb that you didnt have to trade everything you have for.
How accurate is Cutler down-the-field?

Or, just in general, How accurate is Cutler overall?

[Arkansas Bronco]

How accurate is Cutler down-the-field?

Or, just in general, How accurate is Cutler overall?
Pretty good for the long ball his accuracy comes and goes when he is on he is on but at times he stuggles. But put it this way he wasnt trained by the best coaches (heck the coaches at Vandy just plain suck) in the NCAA. After some training with some real coaches i can se that he has the ability to develop. He has enough velocity to pin-point throws if he ever gets his accuracy totaly under control.

[Killericon]

1a: Jason Allen
1b: Pope

[Arkansas Bronco]

1a: Jason Allen
1b: Pope
Thats not funny....

[Play2win]

Thats not funny....
Thats not even funny in a JACKASS Sort of way...

[Killericon]

If we were stuck with 15 and 22, that's what I'd do. I'd rather trade up for VD.

[Crushaholic]

Not just mine I hope, lets try to consolidate them all into one thread.

That's funny for someone who didn't want to post this in an existing thread...LOL

[Ballhawk]

I can see Chad dropping to #22. If Philly and us both pass on WR early, I dont see anyone outside of SD who would go WR before 22.

[Traveler]

Not just mine I hope, lets try to consolidate them all into one thread.

Here's mine.

1a: Jay Cutler Vernon Davis-TE Trade with SF (#15, Lelie & #126)
1b: Chad Jackson Laurence Maroney-RB
2: Mike Kudla Mark Anderson-DE
4a: Dusty Dvoraceck Mike Hass-WR
4b: Tim Day traded to SF
4c: Mark Setterstrom Jesse Mahelona-DT
5: Rashad Butler Roman Harper-S
6: Gerrald Riggs Jr. Marcus Vick-QB

Get real, I know!

[Arkansas Bronco]

Thats not even funny in a JACKASS Sort of way...
Oh so you would use our #15 on jason allen and pass up on some real prospects?

[elsid13]

It not funny but it is a Shanahan style pick. So here comes Allen. Press conference "Jason is a top ten talent, but his injuries hurt him, but we think he has a lot of potential"

[Drek]

That's funny for someone who didn't want to post this in an existing thread...LOL
Yeah, but I figured all those threads were dropping down the board, a new topic would hopefully stir interest and keep current.

Honestly, we should have a stickied thread for draft predictions, including people's Broncos mocks, full first round mocks, etc., all in one or two threads for easy access and debate. Be real cool.

[Old Dude]

Well, what the heck. Since I haven't made one yet, here's a wild guess:

1a DeAngelo Williams
1b Tambi Hali
2 Mike Kudla
4a Roman Harper
4b Jeremy Bloom
4c Ed Hinkel
5 Erik Gill
6 Ben Gates

[ludo21]

Well, what the heck. Since I haven't made one yet, here's a wild guess:

1a DeAngelo Williams
1b Tambi Hali
2 Mike Kudla
4a Roman Harper
4b Jeremy Bloom
4c Ed Hinkel
5 Erik Gill
6 Ben Gates


1a. DW2
1b. Kiwi
2. Rod Wright
4a.Greg Blue
4b. Tim Day
4c. Bloom
Far as i know my stuff, lol
A G/T would be nice at 5.
6. WR with potential.

[Killericon]

Oh come on, Jason Allen would solve our FS prroblems for 10 years. So he got injured; he's worth the risk.

[Drek]

Oh come on, Jason Allen would solve our FS prroblems for 10 years. So he got injured; he's worth the risk.
Hell no. I wouldn't take a FS in the top 15 regardless. I especially wouldn't take one with as bad an injury as what Allen went through. On top of that I seem to recall him stating a clear preference for CB, not FS, where we're all set.

[Killericon]

Hell no. I wouldn't take a FS in the top 15 regardless. I especially wouldn't take one with as bad an injury as what Allen went through. On top of that I seem to recall him stating a clear preference for CB, not FS, where we're all set.

Well, if he said he did'nt want to play FS, then screw him.....but I think he's a top 15 talent at FS is there ever were one.

[SoCalBronco]

My prediction is that after the draft, we are going to have a WTF smilie.

[ludo21]

My prediction is that after the draft, we are going to have a WTF smilie.


smile? or face of horror? :rofl:

[27atwater]

Jason allen is the real deal. I'd love to have him.

my prediction if we don't trade up:

1a-DeAngelo Williams
1b-Jason Allen
2-Brandon Marshall/Stovall/Jennings
3/4-i think we move up-Charles Spencer/Eslinger/Setterstrom
4comp-DT-Lewis/McCargo/Osho
5-Gerrick MacPhearson
6- realistically no clue

[27atwater]

If we DO trade up:

1-Vernon Davis
2-WR-Stovall/Jennings/Marshall
3via SF/GB-Charles Spencer
4a-Mike Bell
4b-DT
4comp-Hatcher, DE, Grambling
5-Gerrick

[cutthemdown]

I wouldn't be either, but its a draft I could see happening. If Cutler falls we're going to take him, and I think there's a good chance he falls.

Jackson is going to slide down further than most experts' mocks predict because he doesn't have the college production to back it up and there is a clear upper crust in this draft that none of the WRs can enter. Jackson could just as easily be replaced with Holmes or Moss however, depending on who Shanny crushes on. The last time we took a 1st round WR though was Lelie, that was a weak WR class as well.

Kudla in the 2nd is my "Shanny overpick" of the draft. He should be a 3rd rounder, might not actually go until the 4th. He's a talented kid though, and the Broncos had contact with him a while ago before the combine where he did nothing but impress. Allegedly we don't like any DEs in this draft. I think its more that we don't like any 1st round DEs and we'll see a percieved overpick in the 2nd when we take someone that the FO will then say was "their #1 DE on the board" yada yada. Anderson is a possiblity here though, so is Tapp or Edwards from Purdue.

Dvoraceck and Day both slide because of character concerns and both are one dimensional types, Dvoraceck needs to play in a one gap defense and Day needs a passing offense that utilizes the TE. I think both are good value, as long as they come into camp with their heads on straight. Typically Shanny reclaimation projects.

Setterstrom and Butler are OL picks for different purposes. Butler is a long term developmental guy. Setterstrom is a quick fix for a real lack of interior line depth, primarly at OG. Played in a zone blocking scheme, is mobile, and has good size. He should be able to take a second string job out of camp.

Riggs falls because teams question his durability and he doesn't show amazing open space moves, but is a downhill runner with good vision. He's just like every second day back we've taken in the Shanny/Turner era. Could be replaced with Mike Bell in the late 4th/5th rounds.

Not a draft I'd love, but a draft I could see the Broncos making.
I think broncos will draft mike bell in the 4th round

[27atwater]

agreed. if we don't go stud in round 1, I like Bell. He's almost a MA clone isn't he?

[27atwater]

Bell-6'0" 221

MA-6'0" 230

hmmm...

[Arkansas Bronco]

smile? or face of horror? :rofl:
Maybey a combination of them both.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Jason allen is the real deal. I'd love to have him.

my prediction if we don't trade up:

1a-DeAngelo Williams
1b-Jason Allen
2-Brandon Marshall/Stovall/Jennings
3/4-i think we move up-Charles Spencer/Eslinger/Setterstrom
4comp-DT-Lewis/McCargo/Osho
5-Gerrick MacPhearson
6- realistically no clue
I realy dont dislike J. Allen but 15 is WAY to early to jump after him. So much talent can drop to 15 that it would be a waste. #22 is still a bit early but i could stomach that much better.

[ludo21]

Maybey a combination of them both.


im sure their will be some smiles, and some faces of horror. Cant ever please everyone, just not possible.

[Arkansas Bronco]

im sure their will be some smiles, and some faces of horror. Cant ever please everyone, just not possible.
Well since we have 2 firsts maybey we can get a smile and a shock. I just hope a smile comes at 15 instead of 22.

[Kaylore]

My prediction is that after the draft, we are going to have a WTF smilie.
And it will look like this :draft:

[2KBack]

agreed. if we don't go stud in round 1, I like Bell. He's almost a MA clone isn't he?

pretty much, but Bell ould be coming in younger. It would have been nice to have MA when he was 22 instead of 26

[Drek]

agreed. if we don't go stud in round 1, I like Bell. He's almost a MA clone isn't he?
I personally like Bell, but as a 4th rounder versus Riggs in the 6th, I think Riggs is a bigger steal. Also, a healthy Riggs has more potential than Anderso...I mean Mike Bell. He's a real likely pick in the late 4th though.

[Crushaholic]

And it will look like this :draft:

or this...zowie! :kiddingme

[Requiem]

Right now, my gut instinct is Chad Jackson at #15. LenDale White, just could be the guy at #22. Who knows though, I am really starting to think we might trade down at #22.

[Barry Ramey]

I like Bell as well and a good option in the middle rounds. I think he has more speed and burst than Anderson ever had, just lacks the oveall speed that is making him only a mid round pick type.

But seeing the 49ers deal WR Woods to the Chargers for a CB, they could be in the market for a WR and makes those Lelie trade rumors more interesting now.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

1a - S. Moss Wr
1b. - B. Croyle QB
2. - J Bloom PR/KR
4a - j. Torp P
4b - E. Dumervill LB
4c. - Bullocks S












Just kidding - board has been boring so I thought I would stir up some trouble.

[ludo21]

1a - S. Moss Wr
1b. - B. Croyle QB
2. - J Bloom PR/KR
4a - j. Torp P
4b - E. Dumervill LB
4c. - Bullocks S













Just kidding - board has been boring so I thought I would stir up some trouble.


Ha!

If Bullocks drops, id take him....

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Ha!

If Bullocks drops, id take him....

That was my special pick for his agent - DB ;D

[ludo21]

That was my special pick for his agent - DB ;D


in that case i heard he is slipping to 6th round...;)

[youcandoit1687]

1a WR-Chad Jackson(Fla)
1b DE-Manny Lawson(NC State)
2 DT-Claude Wroten(LSU)/Rodrique Wright(UT)/Gabe Watson(UM)
4a RB-jerious norwood(MSU)/cedric humes(VT)
4b G-Mark Setterstrom(Minn.)/will allen(UT)
4c S-Daniel Bullocks(Neb.)/DaWan Landry(GT)
5 R/WR-Jeremy Bloom(Olympics/CU)/brandon marshall(UCF)/Clinton Soloman(Iowa)/TE-David Thomas(UT)
6 C-Donovan Raiola(Wisc.)/Rudy Niswanger(LSU)

this looks like a great realistic draft to me, we cover every need, only other thing i could see would be a QB in the 4-6 range, someone like drew olson(UCLA),paul pinegar(Fresno ST.), Whitehurst(clemson), or bruce gradkowski(Toledo). niswanger would fit us great at 6-6 295ish, incredibly intelligent but for some reason is not getting much attention(he could be focusing on academics too much lol a sin).thoughts?

[Drek]

1a WR-Chad Jackson(Fla)
1b DE-Manny Lawson(NC State)
2 DT-Claude Wroten(LSU)/Rodrique Wright(UT)/Gabe Watson(UM)
4a RB-jerious norwood(MSU)/cedric humes(VT)
4b G-Mark Setterstrom(Minn.)/will allen(UT)
4c S-Daniel Bullocks(Neb.)/DaWan Landry(GT)
5 R/WR-Jeremy Bloom(Olympics/CU)/brandon marshall(UCF)/Clinton Soloman(Iowa)/TE-David Thomas(UT)
6 C-Donovan Raiola(Wisc.)/Rudy Niswanger(LSU)

this looks like a great realistic draft to me, we cover every need, only other thing i could see would be a QB in the 4-6 range, someone like drew olson(UCLA),paul pinegar(Fresno ST.), Whitehurst(clemson), or bruce gradkowski(Toledo). niswanger would fit us great at 6-6 295ish, incredibly intelligent but for some reason is not getting much attention(he could be focusing on academics too much lol a sin).thoughts?
What about TE? You have one listed, in the 5th round, as a third alternate.

[youcandoit1687]

What about TE? You have one listed, in the 5th round, as a third alternate.

i think wesley duke will come back from europe NFL ready(of course that is where shan&co decide if they need a TE in the draft), plus stephen alexander on double tight packages or maybe even dwayne carswell on heavy packages..PS has anybody heard anything about DC?

[Drek]

i think wesley duke will come back from europe NFL ready(of course that is where shan&co decide if they need a TE in the draft), plus stephen alexander on double tight packages or maybe even dwayne carswell on heavy packages..PS has anybody heard anything about DC?
Duke isn't even starting in NFLE, that doesn't bode real well for him lighting it up against the far superior talent of the NFL. Alexander had a brief window of being average, now he can't block or catch well enough to start.

As for Carswell, he's attempting a comeback, there was an article on his rehab here a few weeks ago, but he'll be doing it as an OG if he makes it back at all, with limited red zone action like last season.

Even if the FO does have a lot of faith in Duke and Alexander though, I don't think there is any way we get out of the 4th without taking another TE. Its a deep TE draft, Heimerdinger is a big fan of TEs, and we have a damn good TE coach in Brewster. We'll give the two of them a new guy to bring along.

Anyways though, since my first is what I could see us actually doing (complete with overpicks), this is what I would like to see.

1a: Haloti Ngata - slides, we steal him, set him right next to Warren, who is losing weight and will need someone to take double teams off of him.

1b: Manny Lawson - starts as a situational pass rush DE and special teams coverage. We then work to convert him into a strong side LB, where he'll be a dominant force.

2: Anthony Fasano - Starts at TE from day one. He'll be the best blocking TE and the most reliable recieving TE, quickly stablizes our short yardage/red zone attack, replaces Putz's production in his first year. Duke develops as the #2, big play threat, spelling Fasano.

4a: Mike Kudla - goes into the every down DE rotation on the weak side. Stout against the run, all motor, will be the long term weak side DE. Kudla and Lawson will have Lang riding pine on passing downs.

4b: Mike Haas - slides big because of 40 time, we grab him, in a few years he'll take Smith's place as the short yardage WR.

4c: Terna Nande - starts immediately on special teams, between him and Lawson our coverage just got SCARY. Gold gets cut in a year or two, letting DJ go back to weak side, Lawson take strong side, and Nande backs up all LB spots while learning ILB, where his strength is more of an asset. In several years he steps up to replace Wilson.

5: Mark Setterstrom - played in a zone blocking scheme in college, can step in quickly as a valuable backup. Total steal, will replace Carlisle in a year or two.

6: Jeremy Bloom - grab him with the last pick, make him the PR/KR and get Darrent Williams off the STs so he can stay healthy.

End of draft, end of depth problems. Never gonna happen though.

[Ballhawk]

End of draft, end of depth problems. Never gonna happen though.

Just curios Drek, what 7 players would you cut to make room for these picks since you have all of them getting roster spots?

[youcandoit1687]

Duke isn't even starting in NFLE, that doesn't bode real well for him lighting it up against the far superior talent of the NFL. Alexander had a brief window of being average, now he can't block or catch well enough to start.

As for Carswell, he's attempting a comeback, there was an article on his rehab here a few weeks ago, but he'll be doing it as an OG if he makes it back at all, with limited red zone action like last season.

Even if the FO does have a lot of faith in Duke and Alexander though, I don't think there is any way we get out of the 4th without taking another TE. Its a deep TE draft, Heimerdinger is a big fan of TEs, and we have a damn good TE coach in Brewster. We'll give the two of them a new guy to bring along.

Anyways though, since my first is what I could see us actually doing (complete with overpicks), this is what I would like to see.

1a: Haloti Ngata - slides, we steal him, set him right next to Warren, who is losing weight and will need someone to take double teams off of him.

1b: Manny Lawson - starts as a situational pass rush DE and special teams coverage. We then work to convert him into a strong side LB, where he'll be a dominant force.

2: Anthony Fasano - Starts at TE from day one. He'll be the best blocking TE and the most reliable recieving TE, quickly stablizes our short yardage/red zone attack, replaces Putz's production in his first year. Duke develops as the #2, big play threat, spelling Fasano.

4a: Mike Kudla - goes into the every down DE rotation on the weak side. Stout against the run, all motor, will be the long term weak side DE. Kudla and Lawson will have Lang riding pine on passing downs.

4b: Mike Haas - slides big because of 40 time, we grab him, in a few years he'll take Smith's place as the short yardage WR.

4c: Terna Nande - starts immediately on special teams, between him and Lawson our coverage just got SCARY. Gold gets cut in a year or two, letting DJ go back to weak side, Lawson take strong side, and Nande backs up all LB spots while learning ILB, where his strength is more of an asset. In several years he steps up to replace Wilson.

5: Mark Setterstrom - played in a zone blocking scheme in college, can step in quickly as a valuable backup. Total steal, will replace Carlisle in a year or two.

6: Jeremy Bloom - grab him with the last pick, make him the PR/KR and get Darrent Williams off the STs so he can stay healthy.

End of draft, end of depth problems. Never gonna happen though.


anything with lawson is OK with me. i like setterstrom bc any player who ran a similar system in college(minn,wisc,etc.) is going to do good with us. bloom would be nice i think he can do really well in PR and will be good next to roc on KRs. honestly, havent seen any ngata footage, i just dont like fat mofucs in broncos uniform but im sure hed be decent i just think chad jackson would be a good pick. im not too sold on fasano, i like david thomas' value but nobody likes him and i dont know why(does anybody know?). i dont know much of anything about kudla or nande, but i think that wed be better off with lawson at DE, the guy is a freak, i put his stats up on another thread and he is amazing, he runs a 4.43 and benched 285 two years ago, jumps like a gazelle and can put weight on his 6'6 245 frame without losing too much speed.

[Drek]

Just curios Drek, what 7 players would you cut to make room for these picks since you have all of them getting roster spots?
Going by NFL.com's depth chart for the team I'd cut...

Nate Jackson
Roc Alexander
Louis Green
Taylor Whitley
Patrick Chukwurah

As obvious choices, since they'd all be replaced by suprior talent. As more spots were needed (for practice squaders from last year as well) I'd leave our four current backup WRs (Terrell, Watts, Adams, Devoe) in open competition, cutting one or two as needed. Kenard Lang's job would also not be gauranteed, with two guys (Kudla and Lawson) who can take over as situational pass rushers. Stephen Alexander also wouldn't get a free pass. Hamza Abdullah is off if Browner can beat him out for a backup safety job.

We've also lost more guys than we've brought in so far this off-season. I don't think final cut downs would be that hard, even with all 7 drafted rookies making the roster.

[elpasojoe]

Drek, I could live with your draft. I like any projection that includes Manny Lawson, Mark Setterstron and Mike Hass.

But a good question is brought up here. Why isn't David Thomas more highly rated. ? when I saw UT play this year, he was always productive: could get open and had soft hands. I don't understand why he is listed at the 7th rd. of a free agent.

[youcandoit1687]

thats what i was saying elpasojoe, i never saw a crippling weakness with thomas so i say we draft him 5th or 6th if 7 or FA is his pred. thats not much of a reach its just orientation. i dont particularly like haas, i mean yes he produced but i dont know, hes def not a sexy pick by any means but i just dont think hell get it done,flashy numbers or not. CBs will get bigger and hits will get harder, hes not fast like sinorice moss, bloom, or skyler green so where does he have the advantage over DBs. he played in a wet enviro at OSU, so maybe he took advantage of that but i think it was just the quality of the DBs. i dont have any film of him or anything but if anybody knows of any quality CBs he went up against, please inform me.

right on about lawson and setterstrom

[Drek]

The major criticisms of Daniels are his blocking ability, strength, and size. He's made his career at Texas as a productive short yardage pass catcher with great hands, but most scouts don't think he can hold up as an in line blocker at the NFL level and needs to improve both his strength and technique to get there, no small task. Also, at 6'3" he's not as tall as teams want in a TE who'll be buttering his bread in the short yardage/red zone game. He also doesn't have field stretching speed.

Personally I think Daniels is a talented TE. In any other crop of TEs he'd be a 3rd or 4th round pick easily, a better prospect than Putzier was in my opinion. This is a real deep TE class though, so while Daniels looks like a promising recieving TE he's just not on the level of the top TEs who place ahead of him. My top 10 TE rankings:

precursor: when I say 'good athlete' I'm refering to athletic abilities such as body control, field awareness, etc., those unteachables that pro athletes all have in varying degrees.

1. Vernon Davis - Yeah, no brainer.

2. Leonard Pope - crazy potential, questions about if he can block but huge, fast for such a big guy, and good hands. More upside than any TE in this class outside of Davis.

3. Mercedes Lewis - He and Pope could probably go either/or if you ask me. Lewis doesn't show great speed, but its because 40 times tend to look bad for tall guys (one reason why I put Pope over Lewis, both tall, Pope is noticably faster). Tall, has shown phenominal hands and athletic ability around the ball. Great leaper, send this boy to the back of the end zone and he'll bring it down over any cover guy in this league. Very underrated blocker if you ask me, he works hard, his narrow base and long frame hurt him, but he won't be a liability at the NFL level, something most TEs in this class can't say.

4. Anthony Fasano - The safe pick, good size and build for an NFL TE. Has good hands, can block well now and only promises to get better. A total lunch pail guy, not an impressive athlete but never quits. Reminds me of Mark Bavaro, I've heard to comparisions made elsewhere and I totally agree. The only big knock I'd see on him is if a Mark Bavaro type, overachiever, can succeed in today's highly athletic NFL. Comparing him to current NFL players, he's a lot like Bubba Franks for Green Bay.

5. Joe Klopfenstein - Klopf is basically a real damn big WR. Good speed and size, but not a very good blocker and could use to add weight. He'll be a productive reciever where ever he ends up though. A team like Indy would be real lucky to add him to their two TE sets.

6. Tony Scheffler - Raw, very good baseball player in college as well. If a team can get him to give 100% to football he could be one of the top TEs from this class. Great speed, athleticism, and size (6'5", 4.52 40 yrd, 264 lbs). Gets open, smart player, great hands. Raw as HELL. Long ways to go as a blocker, doesn't consistantly make plays and take over games like you'd expect someone of his talent to do. I personally hope he's Denver's selection for a TE if we don't land Fasano in the second, because with Brewster and Heimerdinger coaching him up he could be awesome.

7.Dominique Byrd - I know, way low by most people's standards. Sorry, but if Lendale White has fallen from a recent lack of conditioning, what does that say about Byrd, who has never been in NFL level shape? Impressive athletic ability but he's never shown the dedication needed to excel in the NFL, I don't think getting drafted is going to change that. He's also got some off-field character concerns, strikes me as a very half hearted blocker, is slow (4.79 40 yrd) and too small (6'3", 255) for being as out of shape as he is. I'm a total seller here, which is real sad because Byrd has all the talent in the world. The Lendale White of TEs.

I know, after that scathing criticism of Byrd, how bad does a guy have to be if he ranks below him right? No, unfortunately, I can't put Byrd too low because he does have such amazing potential.

8. David Thomas - The best natural athlete of the remaining TEs. see above for my take on him.

9. T.J. Williams - good athlete who gives solid effort, but doesn't wow with speed or size. I think he'll develop into a solid TE, an average starter or a very good backup. Not where you'd like to see as a blocker, but works hard and I think he'll make it as at least average at the NFL level. Good hands and moves around the ball, should be productive in the short to intermediate game but will be limited by his lack of elite speed. Solid, not great.

10. Tim Day - good athlete, very good in '04 but dropped off last season with a new offensive system. Shows promise as a reciever but doesn't have awesome speed or strength, the later of which hinders his blocking as well. The recieving skills are all in order though. I have him lower than many because I think the above players are either a. safer bets at the NFL level (T.J. Williams) or b. better athletes (Thomas), but Tim Day is a good player in his own right, and should have a good NFL career.

This is a very deep TE class, quality players will be coming off the board well into the 4th round, but most of them need work, typically as blockers. A few other interestin guys in this TE class:

Anthony Mix - Fast, but light. Should probably become a posession WR at the NFL level, could be real good in that role after some development and heavy coaching.

Garret Mills - I think Mills is highly underrated. He's short (6'1") and light (240's) for a TE, but he's a really good reciever and blocker. I think he could be productive at the NFL level as a TE, but there's talk about a move to FB, which could really pay off for Mills. His speed (4.62 40 yrd) would be an asset for someone so big as an FB, and he'd be an exceptional reciever. The big question is if his blocking skills would transition well, where his reads would be very different. I think they would, and he could end up the best all around FB in this class, despite playing TE in college.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Another good analysis Drek

[youcandoit1687]

ya i had totally forgotten about mills, he would be a nice addition i think, u just wish hed be taller but if we can get him in the fifth or sixth, its a bargain. a chris cooley clone except cooley is 6 3, id like to see us use him that way itd make the OLBs think twice about reading the FB block in the trenches and theyd have to worry about the flats.then again kyle johnson isa pretty good receiving threat

[Drek]

ya i had totally forgotten about mills, he would be a nice addition i think, u just wish hed be taller but if we can get him in the fifth or sixth, its a bargain. a chris cooley clone except cooley is 6 3, id like to see us use him that way itd make the OLBs think twice about reading the FB block in the trenches and theyd have to worry about the flats.then again kyle johnson isa pretty good receiving threat
Yeah, for us Mills isn't nearly as usefull, he offers a lot of the same tools Kyle Johnson is already exibiting. As a 5th or 6th round pick though he's some awesome value, he'd be a big special teams contributor at the very least.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If you want a FB who can really block and catch the ball - and can get a tough yard when you need it, take a look at Bernstein. He was injured the last 2/3 of a year, but look what he did in his junior year. The guy is a hammer with hands

[youcandoit1687]

hadnt heard of him but hey if theyre from our system(wisc) theyre always a safe enuf draft pick. i think a dominant FB would boost our system a lot like howard griffith back in the TD days. i always thot he was a key cog

[Paladin]

I am hoping the following: Bunkley at 15, Kiwi at 22, Fasano at 61. A WR and a project RB in the fourth along with Omar Jacob. No clue after that.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

hadnt heard of him but hey if theyre from our system(wisc) theyre always a safe enuf draft pick. i think a dominant FB would boost our system a lot like howard griffith back in the TD days. i always thot he was a key cog

Are you from Wisconsin? Wife and six of her seven siblings went there. One works for the U and another is an outside council.

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This would be a draft I would like:

1A - Broderick Bunkley
1B - Tamba Hali
2 - Davin Joseph
Comp pick - Whichever TE drops

Trade the rest of the picks (and a couple spare parts or a pick in 2007) for Javon Walker and Ricky Williams.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

If Broncs could get Walker and Williams for 2 4ths, a 5th and a 6th along with those others, I wouldn't commit hari kari, but I'm not a Williams fan.

[youcandoit1687]

ya i dont like that trade
those are two players who might not even play next year

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ya i dont like that trade
those are two players who might not even play next year
As opposed to a bunch of day two picks?

Those guys might not even make the roster.

[youcandoit1687]

Are you from Wisconsin? Wife and six of her seven siblings went there. One works for the U and another is an outside council.

nope sry stuck in fresno california listening to fresno st fans, they seem to have taken the badger bounce and changed it to the bulldog bounce in another attempt to create a false sense of tradition in a stadium that cant fill its own 45k

[youcandoit1687]

As opposed to a bunch of day two picks?

Those guys might not even make the roster.
but how much would we be paying williams and walker as opposed to the draft picks. history ses that we get atleast one quality starter after the second.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

nope sry stuck in fresno california listening to fresno st fans, they seem to have taken the badger bounce and changed it to the bulldog bounce in another attempt to create a false sense of tradition in a stadium that cant fill its own 45k

Then why aren't you helping me tell these guys how good Pinegar will be in the Pros? :)

[Drek]

If you want a FB who can really block and catch the ball - and can get a tough yard when you need it, take a look at Bernstein. He was injured the last 2/3 of a year, but look what he did in his junior year. The guy is a hammer with hands
I took him in the OM mock draft for the Bears, 6th or 7th round I believe, I would have taken him earlier but knew I could wait. :)

As a reciever he won't be as good as Mills, and I think Mills with time would be better at carrying the ball, but Bernstein is like a 6th OL, one who starts out in the backfield. The guy can block DTs. I love him, he's going to have one long career as a blocking FB in the NFL.

As opposed to a bunch of day two picks?

Those guys might not even make the roster.
This is a pretty deep draft, we'll get some quality players with all three fourth round picks. Probably some decent talent in the 5th and 6th rounds.

If the Pack are going to move Walker it'll be for '07 picks I think. Its the only shot they have to get first day picks, and thats all that really matters to them. Adding a 4th or 5th this year would be enough to push us ahead of any competing teams, but they'll ultimately want a chance at a 2nd or 3rd, even if it means waiting for '07 and praying on Walker's health to get it.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

He can run the ball when necessary. One game in 2004 he had 125 yards or so because all their RBs got hurt.