THE PLAN: What is it?

[Atlas]

THE PLAN: What is it? Lay your best senarios out.

I really think Shanny has a plan. I think he has his mind set on one of these three things. That is why he didn't show any desperation in FA.

1) He really likes his RBs, he likes Dayne and Bell and promising young RB Cobbs. So he will wait and draft a RB in the 4th. Plus Denver always can find a good RB late and he has his eyes set on one.
OR
2) He really likes what he see at WR. He thinks Terrell is really going to step it up Adams is solid and Watts still has loads of potential. Maybe he sees some quality WR in second round
OR
3) He really likes The DL. They have lots of depth and can rotate. Lang will provide good pressure in pass rush situations.

We are talking about the Denver Broncos here, We are talking about Shanny. I really think the 22nd or the 15th pick is going to be used on a DE or DT. If this happens than what does Shanny take with the other first round pick?

Does he take a RB or does he take a WR?

As of right now I think he takes Jackson at 15 and Kiwi at 22
if Buckner falls(which he won't) or if Shanny wants Tambi(I hate) than I think at 22 he will take Deangelo Williams or Lendale White.

Atlas senario one: Jackson and Kiwi
Atlas senario two. Tambi and Williams

I think If Denver can get Ricky Williams than this draft and the entire offseason could be very special and everything else will fall into place.

They can draft The WR they want at 15 they they can get the DE they want at 22 and get a real quality TE in the 2nd round.

[Rascal]

Why do you think Shanny likes the way things are at RB or WR given the fact that we have looked into getting Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, TO, and Javon Walker.

I'd rather get Javon Walker then Ricky Williams or Jackson and then with the 15th pick draft DW2 and get a TE and DE the next two picks.

[Atlas]

Why do you think Shanny likes the way things are at RB or WR given the fact that we have looked into getting Jamal Lewis, Ricky Williams, TO, and Javon Walker.

I'd rather get Javon Walker then Ricky Williams or Jackson and then with the 15th pick draft DW2 and get a TE and DE the next two picks.

I'm not saying he likes either. I said he likes one of the three!

We don't know how serious Denver has looked into Walker. We know now they never really had much interest in TO. And well they showed some interest in Lewis and they should have because he ran for over 2,000 yards just a couple of years ago.

[Rascal]

I'm not saying he likes either. I said he likes one of the three!

We don't know how serious Denver has looked into Walker. We know now they never really had much interest in TO. And well they showed some interest in Lewis and they should have because he ran for over 2,000 yards just a couple of years ago.

I doubt he likes any of them very much honestly, but he may have no choice to go with one as is because we only have so many draft picks and apparently no money to spend for FA's/trades.

Just because he may not address it early in the draft or FA/trades does necessarily mean he is happy with the situation...he just may be content with it.

[Atlas]

I doubt he likes any of them very much honestly, but he may have no choice to go with one as is because we only have so many draft picks and apparently no money to spend for FA's/trades.

Just because he may not address it early in the draft or FA/trades does necessarily mean he is happy with the situation...he just may be content with it.

Well, I can accept that theory so which way will he go? That is the point here. two first round picks 3-4 needs WR, DE, RB, TE

[Requiem]

It's almost impossible to pick what the Broncos will do. But I have a feeling that we'll add some sort of receiver, a back and a defensive lineman within the first three picks.

[TheManeMan]

The plan is to have all the members on the Mane go nutso in the month of April trying to figure out what's going to happen come April 29th and 30th...;D

which by the way is 22 days away! :militia:

[Ratboy]

I overhead NFL Radio on Sirius earlier and they were talking about the broncos. I didn't catch much, but i believe they were saying Denver really wants a QB. Ofcoarse i was half asleep when i heard "Broncos", "Trade up", "QB", and "Mario Williams".

I wish i knew what else they were saying.

[Requiem]

Quarterback isn't going to happen on the first day.

[Dagmar]

Dagmar's plan...

Lelie & 15 = VD
22 = Kiwi

Get Ricky Williams

or

Lelie & 15 = VD
22 = Maroney or D will.


I can dream.....:thanku:

[Requiem]

I'm not confident in the receiving corps we have behind Smith. So at this point in time, trading Lelie could backfire.

[Rascal]

Well, I can accept that theory so which way will he go? That is the point here. two first round picks 3-4 needs WR, DE, RB, TE

It's shanny so nobody knows till it's announced. And even then people probably won't believe it.

I just hope they don't take a CB, LB, OL, K, P, or QB in the first.

But if I had to place a bet I'd say WR is probably going to be addressed in the first round. Shanny has tried taking WR's the past several years in the draft and moving into the 15th slot I think secures that we will do that much to my disappointment.

After that I think he goes BPA.

[Kaylore]

I'm not sure. I'm betting the draft will answer a lot of questions, though.

[Rascal]

I'm not sure. I'm betting the draft will answer a lot of questions, though.

Wow with insights like that you could work for ESPN.

:)

[ludo21]

Dagmar's plan...

Lelie & 15 = VD
22 = Kiwi

Get Ricky Williams

or

Lelie & 15 = VD
22 = Maroney or D will.


I can dream.....:thanku:

The only reason i would be happy with a Lelie trade is if the team already knows that he is gone next offseason. (each day it seems he is)

So i guess i could grow to accept the idea so we at least get something from him.

But i still dont really like the idea of getting rid of our only WR that stretches the field, and has good hands.

[TheReverend]

I think the plan is fairly evident... we have 2 first rounders that could both be impact players from the start... realistically I think he's planning on hitting one (DE or RB).

I think he actually DOES have a hard-on over David Terrell and whats so terrible about our TE class?

I also think hes really looking ahead to the June cuts and licking his chops with Belichik.

[Dagmar]

The only reason i would be happy with a Lelie trade is if the team already knows that he is gone next offseason. (each day it seems he is)

So i guess i could grow to accept the idea so we at least get something from him.

But i still dont really like the idea of getting rid of our only WR that stretches the field, and has good hands.

You're coming around...excellent http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0302/gallery.simpsons.characters/gallery.mr.burns.jpg

[Dagmar]

I think the plan is fairly evident... we have 2 first rounders that could both be impact players from the start... realistically I think he's planning on hitting one (DE or RB).

I think he actually DOES have a hard-on over David Terrell and whats so terrible about our TE class?

I also think hes really looking ahead to the June cuts and licking his chops with Belichik.

I'm gonna sound like a retard, but what happens in june?

[ludo21]

You're coming around...excellent http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0302/gallery.simpsons.characters/gallery.mr.burns.jpg


:wiggle:

well I figure with all the info out that Lelie may not be back next year, might as well get something for him :sunshine:

Him being here in AZ doesnt make sense to me at all. Dinger can help him loads, and he is wasting valuable time by being away from the team.

[ludo21]

I'm gonna sound like a retard, but what happens in june?


yep u do :rofl:

j/k bro.

In June, cuts are made to save cap space/make the final roster.

And usually big names are available to be had.

[Dagmar]

yep u do :rofl:

j/k bro.

In June, cuts are made to save cap space/make the final roster.

And usually big names are available to be had.

Really? Big names?

I wasn't aware of this.

(last summer I spent hiding from the sun and 99 degree temps, I know V little about the off-season. Yes, I know it is painfully obvious!!!)

[Atlas]

I think the plan is fairly evident... we have 2 first rounders that could both be impact players from the start... realistically I think he's planning on hitting one (DE or RB).

I think he actually DOES have a hard-on over David Terrell and whats so terrible about our TE class?

I also think hes really looking ahead to the June cuts and licking his chops with Belichik.

that's a good post. terrell has been getting a lot of good press lately. If Shanny has faith in him then Denver could by-pass on a Wr. And in reality out of all the positions WR gives less return during the rookie year than any other position besides QB. It just takes time to develop.

Now if Chad Jackson turns out to be another Michael Clayton who the Bucs selected just ahead of Denver a couple of years ago then they better grab him at 15.

[DBroncos4life]

yep u do :rofl:

j/k bro.

In June, cuts are made to save cap space/make the final roster.

And usually big names are available to be had.
I don't think the june first cuts will be that good this year with the cap jumping up the way it did.

[Rascal]

that's a good post. terrell has been getting a lot of good press lately. If Shanny has faith in him then Denver could by-pass on a Wr. And in reality out of all the positions WR gives less return during the rookie year than any other position besides QB. It just takes time to develop.

Now if Chad Jackson turns out to be another Michael Clayton who the Bucs selected just ahead of Denver a couple of years ago then they better grab him at 15.

How did Clayton do last year?

[ludo21]

that's a good post. terrell has been getting a lot of good press lately. If Shanny has faith in him then Denver could by-pass on a Wr. And in reality out of all the positions WR gives less return during the rookie year than any other position besides QB. It just takes time to develop.

Now if Chad Jackson turns out to be another Michael Clayton who the Bucs selected just ahead of Denver a couple of years ago then they better grab him at 15.


I highly doubt it! As ive heard a few times now, this class is weak, Lelie coming out had more hype than either of these 2. Its nots worth it imo.

Id rather trade both first for a legit Receiving threat in V. Davis.

[ludo21]

I don't think the june first cuts will be that good this year with the cap jumping up the way it did.


o yeah.........

Say that every year tho, and there are alwasy some surprises. Id bet we could find a decent #3 WR in June. Thats what we need.

[DBroncos4life]

How did Clayton do last year?
most WRs do step back some their second year, also they added a pretty talented RB to take snaps away from him and Grieseball went down as well.

[Atlas]

How did Clayton do last year?

The Bucs ran the ball more last year with Cadillac and Clayton was injured and started only 10 games. the Bucs also had QB issues with Griese and Simms taking turns. You can expect a better year this year.

[DBroncos4life]

Look at the year Galloway had compared to the year before as well. It was a complete switch. The Bucs also passed 25 times less this year and completed 40 less passes.

[Rascal]

Responding to both DB4L and Atlas.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/

Michael Clayton’s decline
Posted by Doug on Thursday, April 6, 2006
This generic feelgood article on the Buccaneers caught my eye for a couple of reasons. First, it talks about how beneficial it is to have stability in your personnel from year to year. I’d like to investigate that, but it might take awhile before I get around to it.

For now, I wanted to ponder the case of Michael Clayton, who had one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history and followed it up one of the biggest declines in NFL history. From the article, here is Jon Gruden’s take:

“We’ve talked privately a lot about that,” Gruden said. “He did not have the same kind of year for a lot of reasons. I think the injuries, the surgeries, all those things caught up with him. The lack of any offseason? You’ve got to practice, man. These guys go year-round. You see the bodies of some these guys, it’s insane what these guys go through to get themselves ready to play.

“And once you sacrifice half of that, or most of that preparation — the physical preparation, mental preparation — it catches up with you. ‘Cause the other guys are just as good physically as you are. It’s a fine line. And I think Michael has learned from that.”

Gruden said Clayton has had “a great offseason. He’s been in there every day. He’s upbeat. He’s alive. He got married, OK? So I’m really excited about joining forces again with him this year.”

The Institution of Marriage has no bigger fans than the guy typing this (and don’t think I’m sucking up; my wife wouldn’t read this blog on a dare), but if I’m a Buc fan this doesn’t fill me with confidence. What I want to hear is

People don’t understand the magnitude of the injuries he was playing through. We were having to drain his knee twelve times a day. The fact that he was even walking, much less giving 110% as a decoy for us, was remarkable. The doctors say they’ve never seen anyone play on a knee so messed up.

I probably wouldn’t believe that if Gruden had said it, but it’d be more comforting than “He got married, OK?” But who knows, maybe this is just the thing. Ladies of San Francisco, please monitor this situation. If Clayton turns it around, I’m going to be introducing you to a nice young man named Rashaun Woods.

For historical perspective, here are the biggest yards-per-game declines from one year to the next since 1978 (minimum 1000 yards in year one, minimum 12 games in year two).


Good year Bad year Next year
age G YD G YD G YD
Wes Chandler 27 | 8 1032 | 16 845 | 15 708
Derrick Alexander 30 | 16 1391 | 14 470 | 8 134
Michael Clayton 23 | 16 1193 | 14 372 | ? ?
Irving Fryar 36 | 16 1316 | 16 556 | 16 254
Stacey Bailey 25 | 16 1138 | 15 364 | 6 39
Roy Green 28 | 16 1555 | 13 693 | 11 517
Johnnie Morton 31 | 16 1154 | 14 397 | 16 740
Randy Moss 27 | 16 1632 | 13 767 | 16 1005
Mark Carrier 25 | 16 1422 | 16 813 | 16 698
Muhsin Muhammad 32 | 16 1405 | 15 750 | ? ?
Rob Moore 30 | 16 1584 | 16 982 | 14 621
Joe Horn 33 | 16 1399 | 13 654 | ? ?
Jerry Rice 34 | 16 1848 | 16 1254 | 2 78
Eric Metcalf 28 | 16 1189 | 16 599 | 16 576
Carlos Carson 30 | 12 1044 | 14 711 | 13 107
Nate Burleson 24 | 16 1006 | 12 328 | ? ?
John Jefferson 25 | 16 1340 | 13 632 | 8 452
Brett Perriman 32 | 16 1021 | 13 392 | 0 0
Brian Blades 25 | 16 1063 | 16 525 | 16 1003
Qadry Ismail 32 | 16 1059 | 14 462 | 0 0
Gary Clark 26 | 12 1066 | 16 892 | 15 1229
Henry Ellard 36 | 16 1014 | 16 485 | 7 115
Drew Pearson 29 | 15 1026 | 16 568 | 16 614
Robert Brooks 28 | 15 1010 | 12 420 | 0 0
Bruce Hill 25 | 14 1040 | 16 673 | 13 641
Anthony Miller 31 | 14 1079 | 16 735 | 16 645
Brandon Stokley 29 | 16 1077 | 15 543 | ? ?
Lionel Manuel 27 | 16 1029 | 16 539 | 14 169

[Atlas]

Look at the year Galloway had compared to the year before as well. It was a complete switch. The Bucs also passed 25 times less this year and completed 40 less passes.

Clayton is going to be great. I'd trade DJ for him straight up. Shanny would too.

[Rascal]

While Clayton may prove to be a good WR, history is on my side (statistics) that he won't have as good of a year as his first year.

[Old Dude]

I think the plan is to stay as flexible as possible and wait for the blue light specials.

Bargain hunting, IOW.

[watermock]

The June releases aren't what they used to be, teams are just cutting line on the first cut date now and taking their medicine.

Bang cartoon hour was talking how Poston (his brother is evidently in hot water0 wanted 150 million as a signing bonus for Ty Law. I need some of that dope. Quite a few players are getting sick of agents screwing them. Rosenhouse, ect...

It's like this as well in baseball or NBA...teams know that they can't re-sign and make a trade before they hit FA. I am not sure if Lelie is under contract or RFA...they might tender him.

[Atlas]

Responding to both DB4L and Atlas.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/

Michael Clayton’s decline
Posted by Doug on Thursday, April 6, 2006
This generic feelgood article on the Buccaneers caught my eye for a couple of reasons. First, it talks about how beneficial it is to have stability in your personnel from year to year. I’d like to investigate that, but it might take awhile before I get around to it.

For now, I wanted to ponder the case of Michael Clayton, who had one of the best rookie seasons in NFL history and followed it up one of the biggest declines in NFL history. From the article, here is Jon Gruden’s take:

“We’ve talked privately a lot about that,” Gruden said. “He did not have the same kind of year for a lot of reasons. I think the injuries, the surgeries, all those things caught up with him. The lack of any offseason? You’ve got to practice, man. These guys go year-round. You see the bodies of some these guys, it’s insane what these guys go through to get themselves ready to play.

“And once you sacrifice half of that, or most of that preparation — the physical preparation, mental preparation — it catches up with you. ‘Cause the other guys are just as good physically as you are. It’s a fine line. And I think Michael has learned from that.”

Gruden said Clayton has had “a great offseason. He’s been in there every day. He’s upbeat. He’s alive. He got married, OK? So I’m really excited about joining forces again with him this year.”

The Institution of Marriage has no bigger fans than the guy typing this (and don’t think I’m sucking up; my wife wouldn’t read this blog on a dare), but if I’m a Buc fan this doesn’t fill me with confidence. What I want to hear is

People don’t understand the magnitude of the injuries he was playing through. We were having to drain his knee twelve times a day. The fact that he was even walking, much less giving 110% as a decoy for us, was remarkable. The doctors say they’ve never seen anyone play on a knee so messed up.

I probably wouldn’t believe that if Gruden had said it, but it’d be more comforting than “He got married, OK?” But who knows, maybe this is just the thing. Ladies of San Francisco, please monitor this situation. If Clayton turns it around, I’m going to be introducing you to a nice young man named Rashaun Woods.

For historical perspective, here are the biggest yards-per-game declines from one year to the next since 1978 (minimum 1000 yards in year one, minimum 12 games in year two).


Good year Bad year Next year
age G YD G YD G YD
Wes Chandler 27 | 8 1032 | 16 845 | 15 708
Derrick Alexander 30 | 16 1391 | 14 470 | 8 134
Michael Clayton 23 | 16 1193 | 14 372 | ? ?
Irving Fryar 36 | 16 1316 | 16 556 | 16 254
Stacey Bailey 25 | 16 1138 | 15 364 | 6 39
Roy Green 28 | 16 1555 | 13 693 | 11 517
Johnnie Morton 31 | 16 1154 | 14 397 | 16 740
Randy Moss 27 | 16 1632 | 13 767 | 16 1005
Mark Carrier 25 | 16 1422 | 16 813 | 16 698
Muhsin Muhammad 32 | 16 1405 | 15 750 | ? ?
Rob Moore 30 | 16 1584 | 16 982 | 14 621
Joe Horn 33 | 16 1399 | 13 654 | ? ?
Jerry Rice 34 | 16 1848 | 16 1254 | 2 78
Eric Metcalf 28 | 16 1189 | 16 599 | 16 576
Carlos Carson 30 | 12 1044 | 14 711 | 13 107
Nate Burleson 24 | 16 1006 | 12 328 | ? ?
John Jefferson 25 | 16 1340 | 13 632 | 8 452
Brett Perriman 32 | 16 1021 | 13 392 | 0 0
Brian Blades 25 | 16 1063 | 16 525 | 16 1003
Qadry Ismail 32 | 16 1059 | 14 462 | 0 0
Gary Clark 26 | 12 1066 | 16 892 | 15 1229
Henry Ellard 36 | 16 1014 | 16 485 | 7 115
Drew Pearson 29 | 15 1026 | 16 568 | 16 614
Robert Brooks 28 | 15 1010 | 12 420 | 0 0
Bruce Hill 25 | 14 1040 | 16 673 | 13 641
Anthony Miller 31 | 14 1079 | 16 735 | 16 645
Brandon Stokley 29 | 16 1077 | 15 543 | ? ?
Lionel Manuel 27 | 16 1029 | 16 539 | 14 169

Damn good post. Rep

[Popps]

Kenard Lang will provide pressure? When has that happened? Back in 1986 when he had 8 sacks?

Our d-line is in complete shambles. One B player and a bunch of back-ups, beyond that.

[Atlas]

Kenard Lang will provide pressure? When has that happened? Back in 1986 when he had 8 sacks?

Our d-line is in complete shambles. One B player and a bunch of back-ups, beyond that.

Like I said that is why I think that is the least possible of the options I posted and that Denver will use one of their first round picks on a DT or a DE.

[Popps]

Like I said that is why I think that is the least possible of the options I posted and that Denver will use one of their first round picks on a DT or a DE.

Shanahan has refused to get serious about the position for a long time. Who knows if the Abraham talk was all hot-air, or if he really finally realizes just how bad we are up front.

Seriously, our line is god-awful... and are we really going to fix that with a 22 year old kid? Maybe if his name is Williams.

[DrFate]

Kenard Lang will provide pressure? When has that happened? Back in 1986 when he had 8 sacks?

Our d-line is in complete shambles. One B player and a bunch of back-ups, beyond that.

Lang has 20+ years in the league? ???

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/4704

He had 7 sacks 2 years ago and 8 the year before that. That isn't bad. Clearly we are going quantity over quality on the DLine.

[Rascal]

The fact that our d-line sucks outside of Warren, our starting TE is playing in Europe, one WR looks rather vamperish, the other WR is 95% guaranteed to be gone next year, and we are going ot be relying on a RB who hasn't done anything productive for an entire season since college forces me to believe that Shanny simply can't be done in FA yet. We can't address all those needs in the draft and expect to hit on a high enough % for them to contribute this year. To expect more then two rookies to make an impact this year is asking for a lot. IMO the easiest positions to learn that we need help at are RB and DE which is the positons I think we should look at the hardest. And also why I think WR needs to be addressed through a trade/FA. And then hope and pray to the football gods that Duke or the rookie we hopefully draft can pan out at TE.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I don't think the june first cuts will be that good this year with the cap jumping up the way it did.

I think you are right and wasn't thee a rule change last year that reduce the advantage of holding on to a player until June? I know there was very little in last year's June cuts.

[Requiem]

Bell did damn fine at running back last year. I have a highlight video of him, if any are interested and I could host that and provide a link here. Sure, he could improve, but I think with the way we plug in backs, it's not that big of a need in regards to TE, DL and WR.

[Popps]

The fact that our d-line sucks outside of Warren, our starting TE is playing in Europe, one WR looks rather vamperish, the other WR is 95% guaranteed to be gone next year, and we are going ot be relying on a RB who hasn't done anything productive for an entire season since college forces me to believe that Shanny simply can't be done in FA yet. We can't address all those needs in the draft and expect to hit on a high enough % for them to contribute this year. To expect more then two rookies to make an impact this year is asking for a lot. IMO the easiest positions to learn that we need help at are RB and DE which is the positons I think we should look at the hardest. And also why I think WR needs to be addressed through a trade/FA. And then hope and pray to the football gods that Duke or the rookie we hopefully draft can pan out at TE.

Pretty much agree, though I think we could get by nicely at RB with what we have, if we have to. But, totally agree on the DE/WR spot... we need some experienced help, and not just cast-offs.

[Requiem]

The guys cut after June 1st probably won't be high priority guys, and more likely cast-off's. We need to draft some guys at that position, DE and DT. This wouldn't have been such a problem if Shanahan didn't let our two best pass rushers go in consecutive years. Berry made the Pro-Bowl the next year, and was on a tear before he went down this year. (Six sacks, 30+ tackles in eight games -- that's better than some of our guys on our line combined together) and Hayward ended up having a great year too.

[Popps]

The guys cut after June 1st probably won't be high priority guys, and more likely cast-off's. We need to draft some guys at that position, DE and DT. This wouldn't have been such a problem if Shanahan didn't let our two best pass rushers go in consecutive years. Berry made the Pro-Bowl the next year, and was on a tear before he went down this year. (Six sacks, 30+ tackles in eight games -- that's better than some of our guys on our line combined together) and Hayward ended up having a great year too.

You're not going to find any takers on Berry around here. People are much more concerned about cap space than quality players.

Plus, look at Berry's contract, now... it's pretty reasonable for the production/salary range of top players at the position. We actually HAD a decent pass-rusher on the line and let him get away.

I mean... I hope we draft a couple of DEs, but there's little chance of one stepping in and making a difference in year one.

[Rascal]

I still think shanny needs to sign Lance Johnston ASAP but it looks like he is set with the DE's we currently have (outside the draft). not good IMO.

[Popps]

Lang has 20+ years in the league? ???


He's 73 years old.

Here's his rookie card...

http://www.azcentral.com/culturesaz/afroam/gifs/harvey.gif

[Popps]

I still think shanny needs to sign Lance Johnston ASAP but it looks like he is set with the DE's we currently have (outside the draft). not good IMO.

Wasn't Johnston about to retire?

That sounds about right for us.

Shanny's got beer goggles when it comes to d-line talent.

[bendog]

You're not going to find any takers on Berry around here. People are much more concerned about cap space than quality players.

Plus, look at Berry's contract, now... it's pretty reasonable for the production/salary range of top players at the position. We actually HAD a decent pass-rusher on the line and let him get away.

I mean... I hope we draft a couple of DEs, but there's little chance of one stepping in and making a difference in year one.
Was that the year shanny brought IHOP in? But, I seem to recall Berry had a hard on about something the broncos did.

[eddie mac]

yep u do :rofl:

j/k bro.

In June, cuts are made to save cap space/make the final roster.

And usually big names are available to be had.

That isn't gonna happen this year bro unless some team really wants rid of a player and it isn't a financial move. Even after the major FA moves the average cap space at the moment in the NFL is $10m. For the 1st year in history you will not see teams struggling to sign draft picks due to cap space. And the horse**** coming out of some writers mouths claiming we couldn't afford 2 1st rd picks is just that HORSE****!!

[Requiem]

The last thing we need is another DE who is about ready to retire.

I hope we draft a young DE and a young DT within the first four rounds, that'd be ideal.

[eddie mac]

I think Mike is hoping for better results from Warren, Brown, Ekuban and Engelberger with another year in the system under their belts. I think all 4 will improve this year and John will be an emerging player.

[Rascal]

Wasn't Johnston about to retire?

That sounds about right for us.

Shanny's got beer goggles when it comes to d-line talent.

I haven't heard about it. He's 33 years old so maybe. But he's had 7+ sacks the past four years.

[Rascal]

I think Mike is hoping for better results from Warren, Brown, Ekuban and Engelberger with another year in the system under their belts. I think all 4 will improve this year and John will be an emerging player.

Why do you think Engelberger will do anything remotely productive?

[Popps]

I think Mike is hoping for better results from Warren, Brown, Ekuban and Engelberger with another year in the system under their belts. I think all 4 will improve this year and John will be an emerging player.

Engelberger was a real disappointment. I hope he does something next year.

[Requiem]

Why do you think Engelberger will do anything remotely productive?

Two years ago he did very well as an end in SF. He's better than your idea of Lance Johnstone.

[Rascal]

Two years ago he did very well as an end in SF. He's better than your idea of Lance Johnstone.

He had 6 sacks one year in SF of all places and nothing the rest of the time here or there. Whereas Johnstone had 7+ sacks four consecutive years in a row yet he is worse for us? Right.

[Requiem]

You think the guy would be garnering attention on the market if he was as good as you made him out to be. His best days of football are behind him.

[Rascal]

You think the guy would be garnering attention on the market if he was as good as you made him out to be. His best days of football are behind him.

I don't care if his best days are behind him. I just want him for one more good year, which based on the fact that he had 7, 11, 10, 8 (of the top of my head so that may be wrong but close) the past four years indicates he probably has at least one more good year in him.

[Popps]

Johnstone might be a decent role player... just seems like we're overstaffed with that type.

[eddie mac]

Why do you think Engelberger will do anything remotely productive?

Mike doesn't normally dish out 3 year contracts to players who've been in his system for a year that he doesn't think is gonna help the team. I reckon the Broncos think that he can improve the run defense side of his game to make him a regular in that rotation. We've been really tight with money this year, i.e signing bonuses and we gave John $1m to re-sign, those facts make me think that the coaching staff reckon he'll improve a lot this year.

[eddie mac]

Regardless, I still believe this team needs to move up for 1 of the 3 elite defensive linemen in this draft. With the loss of Pryce we cant expect Warren to beat double teams on every play. Mario, Ngata or Bunkley would ease major pressure off Gerrard's shoulders.

[Ballhawk]

I think Bunkley will be there at #15 and 22 will give us a choice of Kiwa, Lawson or RB. Then we need to pick up a TE (that can block and catch redzone) or a coverage S in the 2nd.

[DBroncos4life]

Johnstone has 70 career sacks, while he might be turning 33 he still had 7.5 sacks last year, thats 3.5 more then our leader on our team, who just happens to play saftey. No one is going to think he is a long term fix so I don't know what the problem is and I bet people would love to have the soon to be 35 year old Strahan, the soon to be 32 year old Taylor, or the 32 year old Rice if they are getting the QB. In fact Neil Smith was 31 when we picked him up and he was coming off a 6 sack season, not unlike Johnstone. Is he a superstar now? No, but he still can get to the QB and that is something that we could use.

[Popps]

Bunkley

Positives:
Has the size you look for in a defensive tackle. He is very explosive off the ball, causing havoc in the backfield. The athleticism that he shows is very impressive especially at his size. Should provide a good pass rush for any team.
Negatives:
If you run the ball straight at him he is very ineffective. He tends to have trouble with bigger offensive lineman and is pushed backwards very easily. In the NFL he will be strictly a third-down pass rusher. A very soft defender that plays patty cake with offensive lineman.

Wow, sounds like a pretty high pick to use on a specialist. Then again, we've got no one with any pass-rush ability, so maybe it's worth it.

[SoCalBronco]

Dont be surprised if the team doesnt use either of its first round picks on a DE

[Ballhawk]

We rotate Dlinemane any ways and in 2nd an long situations he would also be a good fit. We need a pass rush guy next to Warren although I would prefer a speed rusher like Mario. Lawson is interesting because he is 6'5 and can add 20 lbs and not lose any speed off the edge, but may be 2 years away from a great rusher as he learns DE.

[Ballhawk]

Dont be surprised if the team doesnt use either of its first round picks on a DE

I wouldnt be surprised but Offensive players (outside RB) take 2-3 years to develope, where as D players make more of an instant impac.

[DBroncos4life]

Dont be surprised if the team doesnt use either of its first round picks on a DE
I wont be, and to hear that the team doesn't like the talent at DE makes me really second guess them. I'm sorry but there are some talented DEs that would really make this team better in the future if not NOW!

[Requiem]

Dont be surprised if the team doesnt use either of its first round picks on a DE

I won't be, and if we draft anyone, I think it's on the interior part of the line. I'm pretty much sold on the fact that we'll ignore DL again, bitch about it next off-season and then do the same thing, not pick anyone up, not draft anyone. Such is the life of the Broncos in regards to the DL.

[ncjmirabile]

I won't be, and if we draft anyone, I think it's on the interior part of the line. I'm pretty much sold on the fact that we'll ignore DL again, b**** about it next off-season and then do the same thing, not pick anyone up, not draft anyone. Such is the life of the Broncos in regards to the DL.

Someone needs to get Shanny and the front office off of this strong tendency to nickle and dime the defensive line.

[~Crash~]

We trade Lelie to Greenbay and swap #15 for #5 We get J Walker and #5!
GB gets Lelie and #15!8') :wiggle:


and at # 5 we draft either Mario or VD

#22 Tamba Hali

# 61 DE Ray Edwards Purdue I bet our Coachs love this guy and are slobering all over them selfs at the thoughts of Edwards he is huge just like pryce and then move him to DT !!! I bet we will try to draft him .

pick #119 Chris Gocong DE

#126 Brad Smith QB\WR\KR

#130 Hank Baskett 6'3" 230 4.5 40YD New Mexico and turn him into a TE !!!! his # are great he had 1,071 YD and 9TD's

we do this draft/plan and I will get Giddy!!!

[baja]

That would be great but why in the world would GB ever do that deal?

[eddie mac]

We trade Lelie to Greenbay and swap #15 for #5 We get J Walker and #5!
GB gets Lelie and #15!8') :wiggle:


and at # 5 we draft either Mario or VD

#22 Tamba Hali

# 61 DE Ray Edwards Purdue I bet our Coachs love this guy and are slobering all over them selfs at the thoughts of Edwards he is huge just like pryce and then move him to DT !!! I bet we will try to draft him .

pick #119 Chris Gocong DE

#126 Brad Smith QB\WR\KR

#130 Hank Baskett 6'3" 230 4.5 40YD New Mexico and turn him into a TE !!!! his # are great he had 1,071 YD and 9TD's

we do this draft/plan and I will get Giddy!!!

Time you changed your sheets after that wet dream.LOL

[~Crash~]

That would be great but why in the world would GB ever do that deal?

J Walker is coming back from an ACL and has stated he will never play for the pack again he will retire first also Favre said he will not come back if the team is the same as it was at the end of the season.... walker will not be ready for the opener and might take 2 years to come up to speed and that is if he ever does not everyone comes back from ACL's

[Merlin]

56Crash,

You are beginning to sound like a skins :homer:

I'm also sure someone out there will give us a top 14 pick for TB.

[~Crash~]

Time you changed your sheets after that wet dream.LOL

well we will see . After the pre season I predicted us in the SB ! I was close ...

I predicted that TO would go to the Cowboys from the start of the TO talk even though I was hoping we would get him I knew better

I was about the only person to predict we would win the SB in the preseason in 97 and after the lose to the Steelers would not give up on the team and said we were going to beat the Steelers and win the SB in 97 there were alot of doubters bronco fans incuded . there are 5 posters that know I got mojo in this areia .

yes I am wrong I thought TD would come back and I thought cole was coming aroud that last year and he went to the raiders and busted

[~Crash~]

56Crash,

You are beginning to sound like a skins :homer:

I'm also sure someone out there will give us a top 14 pick for TB.

no team needs a RB that early ! and there is acualy better RB's to be picked! that is not what Greenbay needs they need a top flight WR now Favre is playing one more year and that is if they start to improve there team as of yet all they are doing is spining there weels .

this would be big for greenbay !! with the #5 pick they could land a WR that would explode with Farve ... and still get another draft pick at #15

[baja]

J Walker is coming back from an ACL and has stated he will never play for the pack again he will retire first also Favre said he will not come back if the team is the same as it was at the end of the season.... walker will not be ready for the opener and might take 2 years to come up to speed and that is if he ever does not everyone comes back from ACL's

I don't think GB takes that deal even without Walker thrown in.

[~Crash~]

Listen we all look at it as broncos look at it as this is Elways last year to play would you not be pissed if the broncos did not do all they could to make Elways last year the best the team could . I would be way pissed if the team just set on its hands !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[baja]

i do agree however that Farve wouldf love Lilie and would make him a star. Something Jake can't do so far.

[~Crash~]

I don't think GB takes that deal even without Walker thrown in.

Farve hits wide open WR's in stride how many times would that lead to TD's with Lelie !!! I will give you a hint just about every game Lelie would get open to see the ball under thrown! and have to wait for the ball to get there and the CB make up ground to make the tackle on him .

[wabbit]

The Broncos always have a plan entering every off-season, and that plan begins about the time the team enters training camp the year before.

Priority #1 was holding court with potential FAs they wanted...or absolutely HAD...to keep..done.

#2 was grading out the roster and dumping excessive contract dollars...that was accomplished as well.

#3 was upgrading positions weakened either by retirement, outright release (Pryce/Putzier) and/or underachievement...work in progress, and frankly, work that might not get done considering cap restraints & the hit/miss nature of the draft.

The Broncos were NOT going to hand out the platinum deals sought by the likes of Owens, Edgerrin James or Abraham (no matter what the 'experts' insisted was going to happen), but they found a way to make that work in their favor by moving up to the 15th position in the draft.

The final step will be to make precisely the right decisions in the upcoming draft, and that never happens...so gaps will remain.

Question; how does that differ from any other franchise in the NFL??

Answer; it doesn't differ one iota...it's simply some teams get a little lucky while other languish in their off-season decisions.

The ones that get just a little lucky (with some educated & well-thought-out decisions) will see you in the Championship match-ups of the '06 season.

Hopefully, the Broncos will be among them. They were last year, so it is, at worst, hope with merit, where in most cases (as with KC, Oakland & SD), it's
only wishful thinking.

[SoCalBronco]

Great post wabbit.

We really, really do need to capitalize in this draft. Big time.

[ludo21]

TY Wabbit, awesome info as usual!!

Any secrets on who shanny has in mind this draft? or even positions would be nice!

Too much predictions around here, cant get anything concrete (per the usual ;D)

[wabbit]

...
Any secrets on who shanny has in mind this draft? or even positions would be nice!

Too much predictions around here, cant get anything concrete (per the usual ;D)


Well, take a look at the starters the Broncos willingly released this off-season...Anderson, Putzier & Pryce.

I was as surprised as anyone when Putzier was released, and honestly, I thought they would take a shot at re-signing him at a lower salary.

When they didn't, that told me a TE, RB & DE lead the list of top priorities and that is exactly who the Broncos will target in the draft.

This a great year for college TE's...I'm almost...& I say 'almost' based on Shanahans' unpredictability over the years...positive he will take one very early, possibly round 1.

RB is a Bronco offensive staple...100% assured he has his eye on one or two, or three, once again, very early, say, rounds one or two depending on how...and if, they drop.

Finally anyone & everyone knows the Broncos made a play for a pass rushing specialist in Abraham & Carter. Again...they will draft one, or more (given Shanahans' history with position paranoia), early.

Positon coaches see a weakness at WR & Guard, along with a depth problem @ OT and Denver has sought a cover Safety longer than most people have been alive...they will draft one two or three, probably in round 4 where they have more selections than a lotto drawing.

Speculate as you will, and it is fun with so many possibilities...but keep an eye on the most pressing needs...TE,WR, RB, DE...those are your early picks.

Noitice, four needs...three selections in rounds 1,2 & no 3...that will change.

[ludo21]

TY Wabbit.

So we are on the right track (some of us ;D)

I have talked about moving into the 3rd, but have been shot down a couple times because people think 3 4ths in this draft is just as good.

we will see, i know im gettiner antsier by the day, i cant wait till draft day!

[24champ]

Well, take a look at the starters the Broncos willingly released this off-season...Anderson, Putzier & Pryce.

I was as surprised as anyone when Putzier was released, and honestly, I thought they would take a shot at re-signing him at a lower salary.

When they didn't, that told me a TE, RB & DE lead the list of top priorities and that is exactly who the Broncos will target in the draft.

This a great year for college TE's...I'm almost...& I say 'almost' based on Shanahans' unpredictability over the years...positive he will take one very early, possibly round 1.
.
The only problem with that is that Shannahan is still VERY HIGH on Nate Jackson and Wesly Duke. The only TE I can see Shannahan taking is Vernon Davis which means he will have to trade up obviously.

[wabbit]

The only problem with that is that Shannahan is still VERY HIGH on Nate Jackson and Wesly Duke. The only TE I can see Shannahan taking is Vernon Davis which means he will have to trade up obviously.

The Broncos love Davis, and they have sent out feelers among the top ten selecting teams, but they recognize he may be too far out of their reach.

If he falls only a little, say, to ten or eleven...all bets are off

I have heard & read that Oakland has become equally enamoured with the talented Maryland prospect.

[SoCalBronco]

Wabbit have you heard which of the other top three TEs they prefer, Marcedes Lewis of UCLA or Leonard Pope of Georgia?

[wabbit]

Wabbit have you heard which of the other top three TEs they prefer, Marcedes Lewis of UCLA or Leonard Pope of Georgia?

They have met with Lewis because they're intrigued by his measureables, but I've heard that was more of a fact-finding interview based on rumors that he's something of a head case.

Not sure how that turned out...not yet anyway.

Shanahan has a soft spot for Georgia U & has talked with the coaches there about Leonard, not to mention miles of tape/film.

If I had to guess, Pope is the leading candidate...outside of any shot for Davis.

[SoCalBronco]

They have met with Lewis because they're intrigued by his measureables, but I've heard that was more of a fact-finding interview based on rumors that he's something of a head case.

Not sure how that turned out...not yet anyway.

Shanahan has a soft spot for Georgia U & has talked with the coaches there about Leonard, not to mention miles of tape/film.

If I had to guess, Pope is the leading candidate...outside of any shot for Davis.

Thanks Wabbit. I always appreciate it. :)

Man we are three weeks from the draft. Im already way beyond pumped up.
Just cant wait too much longer.

[DBroncos4life]

what about Tim Day? He seems to be a more complete TE at this point.

[wabbit]

what about Tim Day? He seems to be a more complete TE at this point.

If the Broncos decide to fill other needs early, I believe Day is a viable alternative.

The team has scouted him, but I'm not sure what kind of grade they came up with.

Notre Dames' Fasono is another guy they have contacted directly.

The oddity is that C-U's Klopfenstein rates little more than a mention in the teams ranking of TEs in this draft.

[SoCalBronco]

Fasano would be good in Round 2. Im glad they like him. I think he's the best TE outside of the Big Three.

Wabbit, what do you make of this Broncos-Lendale White collusion talk going on in the media?

Also, please tell me the great amount of attention they gave Chad Jackson at the combine was a smokescreen.

[DBroncos4life]

If the Broncos decide to fill other needs early, I believe Day is a viable alternative.

The team has scouted him, but I'm not sure what kind of grade they came up with.

Notre Dames' Fasono is another guy they have contacted directly.

The oddity is that C-U's Klopfenstein rates little more than a mention in the teams ranking of TEs in this draft.
Thanks, he is my sleeper of sorts for TE this year. As for Klop Im not shocked that the team doesn't like him. CU could have the number one player in the nation and they wouldnt look at him. I don't know why either. He is a gamer.

[DBroncos4life]

Fasano would be good in Round 2. Im glad they like him. I think he's the best TE outside of the Big Three.

Wabbit, what do you make of this Broncos-Lendale White collusion talk going on in the media?

Also, please tell me the great amount of attention they gave Chad Jackson at the combine was a smokescreen.
Chad Jackson will be a star in the NFL. I don't know why people are hating on him so much. He is flat out amazing to watch. Its not very often a man with his talents gets noticed for his interviewing. Most people that play WR are ME or I players.

[24champ]

The Broncos love Davis, and they have sent out feelers among the top ten selecting teams, but they recognize he may be too far out of their reach.
If he falls only a little, say, to ten or eleven...all bets are off

I have heard & read that Oakland has become equally enamoured with the talented Maryland prospect.
Sounds like you are saying the Broncos dont want to package their two firsts for Vernon Davis? Because the teams in the top ten dont want to trade down or they are asking for the two first picks. By the way thanks for your invaluable posts.

[wabbit]

...
Wabbit, what do you make of this Broncos-Lendale White collusion talk going on in the media?

Also, please tell me the great amount of attention they gave Chad Jackson at the combine was a smokescreen.

I read some of that LenDale stuff here on another thread & just the idea is a little looney tunes.

Direct meetings with players have been attempts to get a read on the personality & general ambition of potential selections.

...and sorry, they are very interested in Jackson.

Depending on who is still on the board near that selection, he is absolutely a possible choice, although I agree 15 is too high.

[DBroncos4life]

alright I do have a homer question and its only because I read that they are infact atleast thinking about him but what is the word on Bullocks?

[wabbit]

Sounds like you are saying the Broncos dont want to package their two firsts for Vernon Davis? Because the teams in the top ten dont want to trade down or they are asking for the two first picks...

I think the general feeling is that the two firsts wouldn't be enough to move up high enough to take Davis, and that with such strong talent at the position this year, would it really be worth the sacrifice?

Part of the reason for that thinking is that there is increasing speculation that Oakland may take him at 6 even before San Francisco has a chance.

There's almost no chance that Davis slips by the 49ers.

[24champ]

I think the general feeling is that the two firsts wouldn't be enough to move up high enough to take Davis, and that with such strong talent at the position this year, would it really be worth the sacrifice?

Part of the reason for that thinking is that there is increasing speculation that Oakland may take him at 6 even before San Francisco has a chance.

There's almost no chance that Davis slips by the 49ers.
I would think the Raiders would be wise to select a defensive player like Huff or an Offensive Lineman but then again Al Davis doesnt know how to run a franchise.

[Atlas]

Shanahan has refused to get serious about the position for a long time. Who knows if the Abraham talk was all hot-air, or if he really finally realizes just how bad we are up front.

Seriously, our line is god-awful... and are we really going to fix that with a 22 year old kid? Maybe if his name is Williams.

I disagree with that. Shany has always tried to get a great D line. He has tried both FA and the draft to get a great DLine
FAs
Neil Smith
Alfred Williams
Chester McGlockton
Pittman
Brown
Warren
Ecuban
Berry
Myers
IHOP
High Draft Picks
Pryce
HAyward
Tonevosi
Reagor
and many more I can't think of right now.

THe problem is he hasn't done a very good job of it.
Outside of McGlockton, Pryce, Warren, Williams and Smith he has had problems.

[Atlas]

The fact that our d-line sucks outside of Warren, our starting TE is playing in Europe, .

Denver's starting TE is the same as last year, The backup TE is playing in Europe.

[Atlas]

Well, take a look at the starters the Broncos willingly released this off-season...Anderson, Putzier & Pryce.

I was as surprised as anyone when Putzier was released, and honestly, I thought they would take a shot at re-signing him at a lower salary.

When they didn't, that told me a TE, RB & DE lead the list of top priorities and that is exactly who the Broncos will target in the draft.

This a great year for college TE's...I'm almost...& I say 'almost' based on Shanahans' unpredictability over the years...positive he will take one very early, possibly round 1.

RB is a Bronco offensive staple...100% assured he has his eye on one or two, or three, once again, very early, say, rounds one or two depending on how...and if, they drop.

Finally anyone & everyone knows the Broncos made a play for a pass rushing specialist in Abraham & Carter. Again...they will draft one, or more (given Shanahans' history with position paranoia), early.

Positon coaches see a weakness at WR & Guard, along with a depth problem @ OT and Denver has sought a cover Safety longer than most people have been alive...they will draft one two or three, probably in round 4 where they have more selections than a lotto drawing.

Speculate as you will, and it is fun with so many possibilities...but keep an eye on the most pressing needs...TE,WR, RB, DE...those are your early picks.

Noitice, four needs...three selections in rounds 1,2 & no 3...that will change.

That's what I have been saying.
It would be great If Denver could make one big offseason signing. Then they would have three needs and three picks in the first two rounds.

Ricky Williams come on down.

[Atlas]

If the Broncos decide to fill other needs early, I believe Day is a viable alternative.

The team has scouted him, but I'm not sure what kind of grade they came up with.
.

I love Day. He has the perfect tools and can block well and he is fairly fast and has good hands.

He is just raw and needs some experience. He could make an immiediate impact and Denver could get him in the late 4th round

[Requiem]

I think Day is an excellent option at tight end, especially in the forth. A good red zone guy and does well after the catch.

[Atlas]

I would think the Raiders would be wise to select a defensive player like Huff or an Offensive Lineman but then again Al Davis doesnt know how to run a franchise.

Davis loves those high profile draft picks. I think they are going to draft Young if he is there.

[Play2win]

Davis loves those high profile draft picks. I think they are going to draft Young if he is there.
I can see YOUNG as going down as a Full-On *BUST* if he goes to Oakland.

Al Davis - Art Shell - Vince Young, Where can a man BUY a health brain cell around here?!?

[Atlas]

I can see YOUNG as going down as a Full-On *BUST* if he goes to Oakland.

Al Davis - Art Shell - Vince Young, Where can a man BUY a health brain cell around here?!?

LOL no rocket scientists in that bunch!!

[Requiem]

Anyone who goes to Oakland is going to be on the bust list.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Part of the reason for that thinking is that there is increasing speculation that Oakland may take him at 6 even before San Francisco has a chance.


San Fran is at 6, Oakland is at 7

[Play2win]

LOL no rocket scientists in that bunch!!
I think you would be hard pressed to find that any one of them knew what either a ROCKET or SCIENTISTS actually were... ;D

[Atlas]

I think Day is an excellent option at tight end, especially in the forth. A good red zone guy and does well after the catch.

I found this on Day and from it he sounds Great.

Tim Day TE 6’4 265 Oregon
By: Robert Davis

The Pac 10 is loaded with talented tight ends this year, and Tim Day is right up there with the best of them. Despite playing injured for most of the year in 2004, Day finished the year with 35 grabs for 457 yards, and 8 touchdowns. Day was not utilized enough this year, and his numbers suffered. He hauled in 25 passes for 215 yards, and a touchdown.

There aren’t very many tight ends with a combination of size, power, and athleticism that Day has. He is a big target to throw to over the middle, and is tough to bring down in the open field. His athleticism and quickness allow him to match up well against most linebackers or safeties as a receiver. As a blocker, he has the power and agility to keep his man at bay.

Injuries may be the biggest issue keeping Day from being a bigger name to college football fans. He has missed time each of the past three seasons due to injuries.

When he’s healthy, Day is an imposing target for the Ducks. He can do it all: run, block, and catch. But staying healthy has been a task for him. He has the ability to be as good as any tight end out of this class, but with the talent at TE this year, his injury past could hurt his draft position. He an impressive Shrine Game, but the depth at tight end this year probably keeps him out of Day One.

[Play2win]

I found this on Day and from it he sounds Great.

Tim Day TE 6’4 265 Oregon
By: Robert Davis

The Pac 10 is loaded with talented tight ends this year, and Tim Day is right up there with the best of them. Despite playing injured for most of the year in 2004, Day finished the year with 35 grabs for 457 yards, and 8 touchdowns. Day was not utilized enough this year, and his numbers suffered. He hauled in 25 passes for 215 yards, and a touchdown.

There aren’t very many tight ends with a combination of size, power, and athleticism that Day has. He is a big target to throw to over the middle, and is tough to bring down in the open field. His athleticism and quickness allow him to match up well against most linebackers or safeties as a receiver. As a blocker, he has the power and agility to keep his man at bay.

Injuries may be the biggest issue keeping Day from being a bigger name to college football fans. He has missed time each of the past three seasons due to injuries.

When he’s healthy, Day is an imposing target for the Ducks. He can do it all: run, block, and catch. But staying healthy has been a task for him. He has the ability to be as good as any tight end out of this class, but with the talent at TE this year, his injury past could hurt his draft position. He an impressive Shrine Game, but the depth at tight end this year probably keeps him out of Day One.

Wasn't that also true about The PUTZ...

[Mediator12]

Wasn't that also true about The PUTZ...

No. Putzier was WR convert from Boise. Day has played TE and is a much better blocker right now than Putzier ever became in Denver.

Putzier is an excellent receiving TE, but he failed to learn the Zone blocking fundamentals and execute them to the staffs liking. I really wish we still had him as a receiving threat though.

[SoCalBronco]

Hey Med, do u think we will be going with a TE with one of our first two picks or are we going to wait till 61?

[Play2win]

No. Putzier was WR convert from Boise. Day has played TE and is a much better blocker right now than Putzier ever became in Denver.

Putzier is an excellent receiving TE, but he failed to learn the Zone blocking fundamentals and execute them to the staffs liking. I really wish we still had him as a receiving threat though.

Right, but He had "as much ability as any TE in the draft", and the Measurables of Shockey...

Thats what I was refering too...


what ATLAS had already posted about TIM DAY:

He has the ability to be as good as any tight end out of this class,

[Atlas]

Wasn't that also true about The PUTZ...

Putz was a WR that converted to a TE.

[Play2win]

Putz was a WR that converted to a TE.
Right, I was just talking about how he was promoted coming out of the draft. "Has the same measurables as Shockey"...