Homeland official charged in online sex sting

[ro_50]

This is embarrassing for Homeland Security. One of them is a pervert.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12165485/
Homeland official charged in online sex sting
AP Story

MIAMI - A leading spokesman for the Homeland Security Department was put on unpaid leave Wednesday after being charged with preying on a child through online sexual conversations with an undercover detective who was posing as a 14-year-old girl.

Homeland Security officials said Brian J. Doyle, the fourth-ranking spokesman at the department, was put on “non-pay status” following the charges late Tuesday. Doyle, 55, was expected to appear in court Wednesday afternoon in suburban Maryland, where he lives.

“The department is cooperating fully with the ongoing investigation into the allegations against Brian Doyle,” said Homeland Security press secretary Russ Knocke. “We take these allegations very seriously.”

Knocke said Doyle’s security clearance, employee badge and facility access permissions have been suspended. The department’s inspector general also is investigating the charges, which accused Doyle of revealing his name and his employer and offering the numbers of his Homeland Security-issued office and cell phones during online conversations.

Doyle joined the federal government as a civil service employee shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, working at the Federal Aviation Administration and the Transportation Security Administration. He joined the Homeland Security’s press operation last summer.

A former colleague said Doyle is divorced.

The charges, by the Polk County, Fla., Sheriff’s Department, accuse Doyle of finding the teenager’s profile online and allege that he began having sexually explicit conversations with her on the Internet on March 14.

Allegedly sent pornography
Authorities said he sent her pornographic movie clips, as well as non-sexual photos of himself, officials said. One of the photos, released by the sheriff’s office, shows Doyle in what appears to be DHS headquarters. He is wearing a Homeland Security pin on his lapel and a lanyard that says “TSA.”

On several occasions, Doyle instructed her to perform a sexual act while thinking of him and described explicit activities he wanted to have with her, investigators said.

Authorities arrested Doyle on Tuesday at his Silver Spring, Md., home as he was online with the “girl.” The undercover detective had called Doyle at work and said she got a Web camera, as he had asked her to do, and wanted to test it out, said Carrie Rodgers, Polk County Sheriff’s Office spokeswoman.

“He said he would get on the computer when he got home from work so we knew he would be on,” Rodgers said. “When (police) went to his door, he was on the computer in the middle of a conversation with the girl.”

He was booked into the Montgomery County Detention Center. Doyle also faces a charge of transmission of harmful material to a minor.

“He said last night that he was going to waive extradition. If he does that, we may have him back by the end of the week,” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said Wednesday. “He could get to court today and some lawyer may say ’no, you don’t want to do that.’ The bottom line is we don’t know when he’s coming back.”

There was no immediate response to messages left on Doyle’s government-issued cell phone and his e-mail, and he could not be reached by phone at the jail for comment.

© 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wow. Horrible.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Federal PMITA prison in someone's future...

[ludo21]

Wow, embarrassing!

[bendog]

Honest Injun, Officer, I thought she was sixteen!

[Old Dude]

Must be a weird job for a detective to go on line and pretend he's a 14 year old girl, hoping to snare perverts.

[Mediator12]

As sad as this is, there are bad apples everywhere. Even excellent screeening procedures will miss those who are adept at hiding this kind of behavior. This kind of deviancy requires a good amount of critical deception skills and this guy is no different.

I hope he gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law though.

[Mediator12]

Must be a weird job for a detective to go on line and pretend he's a 14 year old girl, hoping to snare perverts.

About as weird as an OLD guy setting up a game of Online Survivor ;D

[GreatBronco16]

So what does that make the people asking their employee to dress up as a 14 year old girl and catch them making passes at them online? Hell, what does that make the guy doing it? Honorable?

[rbackfactory80]

What, you mean people who work for our government are like this too?

[GreatBronco16]

What, you mean people who work for our government are like this too?


It's Grieses fault really.

[Old Dude]

About as weird as an OLD guy setting up a game of Online Survivor ;D

But for all you know, I'm a 14 year old Lolita.

[Old Dude]

Okay, well maybe not.

[Mediator12]

But for all you know, I'm a 14 year old Lolita.

So, that makes old dude the younger=hotrod LOL No wonder he came in second twice ;)

[Old Dude]

Actually, the guy I almost ran into was DBL4. He lives in the middle of nowhere, and I was only 28 miles from there last Friday.

[DomCasual]

Moral and ethical issues aside, why are these people so stupid? I love watching those Dateline shows where they set up the underage sex stings. Men show up in droves!

I guess your penis makes you do irrational things.

[ro_50]

Moral and ethical issues aside, why are these people so stupid? I love watching those Dateline shows where they set up the underage sex stings. Men show up in droves!

I guess your penis makes you do irrational things.

Actually, on one of those Dateline Shows, I believe it was on MSNBC when I was watching it, one of the guys arrested was an employee for Homeland Security and it wasnt this same guy. IT WAS ANOTHER GUY...

Kind of makes you feel sick to your stomach.........

[DomCasual]

Actually, on one of those Dateline Shows, I believe it was on MSNBC when I was watching it, one of the guys arrested was an employee for Homeland Security and it wasnt this same guy. IT WAS ANOTHER GUY...

Kind of makes you feel sick to your stomach.........
Yeah, I had forgotten that. The site they featured on that show was http://www.perverted-justice.com/. It is basically volunteers that pose as children in chat rooms, then post the chat logs of their sexually-explicit chats with adults. They then try and find as much personal information (address, phone number, place of employment, etc.) of the offending adults as possible, and they post that, too. And for good measure, they contact employers, whenever possible.

It's pretty harsh, but not as harsh as trying to have sex with a minor. Stupid people.

[Orange_Beard]

Whenever you have the words "sex and "sting" in the same sentence you know it there is going to be trouble.

[Old Dude]

... one of the guys arrested was an employee for Homeland Security and it wasnt this same guy. IT WAS ANOTHER GUY...

Kind of makes you feel sick to your stomach.........

Also kind'a makes you wonder about just exactly what it is they are doing in Homeland Security.

[GonzoLays]

Republicans protecting the morals and values of America since 1863!

[Mile High Shack]

Republicans protecting the morals and values of America since 1863!

nice broad brush stroke

[epicSocialism4tw]

I guess your penis makes you do irrational things.

Women have been telling us this for eons.

[Old Dude]

Women have been telling us this for eons.

Yeah, but I'd say that a grown man chasing after a 14-year old crosses the line between irrationality and crosses over into the area of being flat out sick in the head.

[Hotrod]

Republicans protecting the morals and values of America since 1863!

Im almost conviced your stupidity is just an act. A way for you to draw attention to yourself.

[Hotrod]

Women have been telling us this for eons.

Actually women have been taking advantage of this for eons ;D

[watermock]

the stone cold fact is he wasn't talking to a real 14 year old. I'm not defending him, but it should be mentioned.

[Mile High Shack]

the stone cold fact is he wasn't talking to a real 14 year old. I'm not defending him, but it should be mentioned.

in his mind he was talking to a 14 year old and he wanted to have sex with said 14 year old

perception is reality in this case

[broncosteven]

This is why I am going to be like the dude on the Cell phone comerical that follows his daughter everywhere.

She is going to hate me...

[Hotrod]

This is why I am going to be like the dude on the Cell phone comerical that follows his daughter everywhere.

She is going to hate me...

I know exactly what you mean. I used to see young girls walking around with cell phones and think what spoiled brats. Then my daughter discovered boys and "hanging out" you bet your arse she has a cell phone and knows the world ends if I ever call it and she does not answer.

[Iowanian]

They Should have WU feed him to the pigs along with Massoui on national TV.

[Old Dude]

They Should have WU feed him to the pigs along with Massoui on national TV.

Wu's kind'a busy at the moment, but I'll pass it along.

[Iowanian]

This is why I am going to be like the dude on the Cell phone comerical that follows his daughter everywhere.

She is going to hate me...

Word.

A couple of weekends ago, while discussing a similar topic(scumbags on myspace and net).....I invented a Tshirt slogan....for daughters to wear.

It goes like this.

"Property of Dad, Tresspassers will be shot"

the back simply says

"twice"

[Mile High Shack]

I know exactly what you mean. I used to see young girls walking around with cell phones and think what spoiled brats. Then my daughter discovered boys and "hanging out" you bet your arse she has a cell phone and knows the world ends if I ever call it and she does not answer.

I'm glad my daughter is only 9 months old

I'm going to but a block on instant messaging...LOL

oye

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Republicans protecting the morals and values of America since 1863!

Civil Service employee - no party listed. could be either party or neither.

[ro_50]

Whats disturbing to me is now only these two guys were government officials, but the law is not strict enough on these sexual predators.

I have a big problem w/ that and also, its voluntary (I believe) for those that have been arrested before to register in a state.

I remember watching CNN and one zip code, which stretched across a big area around Jacksonville, had 75,000 listed sexual offenders.

That is alarming.

I dont get how these guys, the ones that actually committ these acts, get less jail time on average than a drug dealer.

[DomCasual]

Republicans protecting the morals and values of America since 1863!
Give me a break. That is just stupid. It's so stupid, I am surprised you aren't embarrassed for having posted it. It's beneath you.

[Rascal]

nice broad brush stroke

Is he actually a republican? I haven't seen anything that says he is.

[DomCasual]

the stone cold fact is he wasn't talking to a real 14 year old. I'm not defending him, but it should be mentioned.
Are you kidding? He thought he was talking with a 14-year-old. He planned on having sex with a 14-year-old. Does a real 14-year-old have to be harmed for him to be guilty?

Trust me - the law isn't going to go easier on him because he wasn't talking with a real 14-year-old.

[Hotrod]

Give me a break. That is just stupid. It's so stupid, I am surprised you aren't embarrassed for having posted it. It's beneath you.

You were on the money until that last part.

[Old Dude]

Whats disturbing to me is now only these two guys were govertment officials, but the law is not strict enough on these sexual predators.

I have a big problem w/ that and also, its voluntary (I believe) and up to them to register as a criminal sex offender in a state.

I remember watching CNN and one zip code, which stretched across a big area around Jacksonville, had 75,000 listed sexual offenders.

That is alarming.

...

I didn't see where this guy had a record at all. I hope you aren't suggesting that we should require people to pre-register for sex offenses they intend to commit in the future?

I mean, the policy is solid, but compliance & enforcement could be a problem.

[DomCasual]

Is he actually a republican? I haven't seen anything that says he is.
He's a hired government employee. He is not an elected official. I have a buddy that works for Homeland Security (not a pedophile, as far as I know) that is as liberal as liberal can be. I don't think "political affiliation" is probably on the DHS job application.

[ro_50]

I didn't see where this guy had a record at all. I hope you aren't suggesting that we should require people to pre-register for sex offenses they intend to commit in the future?

I mean, the policy is solid, but compliance & enforcement could be a problem.

I wasnt talking about the government official, I was talking about guys who have been arrested previously for committing the same acts and then getting back out on the streets and its up to them to register or not.

My post may have been hard to follow.

[Hotrod]

I wasnt talking about the government official, I was talking about guys who have been arrested previously for committing the same acts and then getting back out on the streets and its up to them to register or not.

My post may have been hard to follow.

I thought they HAD to register by law or get tossed back into the pit???

[ro_50]

I thought they HAD to register by law or get tossed back into the pit???


Actually, you may be right, I could have misunderstood that piece I was watching on CNN a month ago.

[broncosteven]

I thought they HAD to register by law or get tossed back into the pit???


They do. There was an article in the Chicago Trib about an IL service that can tell you about all the registered Child Molesters in a 1 or 2(I can't remember) mile radius or your address & you can get emailed when one moves into that radius. The wife looked it up & signed up for the email & found we had over 15 KNOWN registered child molesters in our radius. I almost preferred to not know. We are in a single family home next to a lot of town homes but no Apartment high rises where there would be a huge concentration of people.

[Hotrod]

They do. There was an article in the Chicago Trib about an IL service that can tell you about all the registered Child Molesters in a 1 or 2(I can't remember) mile radius or your address & you can get emailed when one moves into that radius. The wife looked it up & signed up for the email & found we had over 15 KNOWN registered child molesters in our radius. I almost preferred to not know. We are in a single family home next to a lot of town homes but no Apartment high rises where there would be a huge concentration of people.

Holy crap 15 in a 1 or 2 mile area. How many of these POS are out there???

[ro_50]

They do. There was an article in the Chicago Trib about an IL service that can tell you about all the registered Child Molesters in a 1 or 2(I can't remember) mile radius or your address & you can get emailed when one moves into that radius. The wife looked it up & signed up for the email & found we had over 15 KNOWN registered child molesters in our radius. I almost preferred to not know. We are in a single family home next to a lot of town homes but no Apartment high rises where there would be a huge concentration of people.

Wow, 15 in that radius, that is amazing.

[ColoradoDarin]

They do. There was an article in the Chicago Trib about an IL service that can tell you about all the registered Child Molesters in a 1 or 2(I can't remember) mile radius or your address & you can get emailed when one moves into that radius. The wife looked it up & signed up for the email & found we had over 15 KNOWN registered child molesters in our radius. I almost preferred to not know. We are in a single family home next to a lot of town homes but no Apartment high rises where there would be a huge concentration of people.

You can look it up here too.

http://familywatchdog.us/

National Sex Offender Registry - Enter an address to view a map of registered sex offenders near you.

[Hotrod]

You can look it up here too.

http://familywatchdog.us/

National Sex Offender Registry - Enter an address to view a map of registered sex offenders near you.

The good news if you wanna call it that is there are only 2 in my town. The bad news is they are both located really fricking close to all the schools. :nono:

[Old Dude]

I really wonder where all these guys are coming from. Some people claim that this has been going on for decades, and that it's only coming out in the open now. What is wrong with people?

[FantomForce]

Just goes to show no matter how high up you may get you can still be a dumba$$

[JCMElway]

Also kind'a makes you wonder about just exactly what it is they are doing in Homeland Security.

And these are the guys that Bush is allowing to tap our phones without a subpoena?

**My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty ......**

[DomCasual]

And these are the guys that Bush is allowing to tap our phones without a subpoena?

**My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty ......**
I'll say it again. Making an issue like this, involving a government employee, in any way political is just stupid. And I would say the same thing if there was a Democrat in the White House.

[baja]

nice broad brush stroke

Looky here Shack is having fun with his new phrase, he has used it ten or so times today already. Painting with a broad brush - right up there with "point in time" or "talking point"

[DomCasual]

Looky here Shack is having fun with his new phrase, he has used it ten or so times today already. Painting with a broad brush - right up there with "point in time" or "talking point"
It seems to me that at this point in time, you are broad brushing what Shack said regarding this. Let's see if we can come up with a few legitimate talking points for some real discussion.

[-Slap-]

I really wonder where all these guys are coming from. Some people claim that this has been going on for decades, and that it's only coming out in the open now. What is wrong with people?
Well, its a crime that's self perpetuating, as the abused often become abusers.

I also believe the advent of the internet caused the numbers to explode, too. Now these freaks are able to see that there are others out there like them and I think it makes it easier for them to justify their behavior. In one regard, that's good, because they're more likely to get caught in sting operations when they slither out into the sunlight.

[Garcia Bronco]

How many of these freaks are out there? For the love of Pete.

[baja]

You can look it up here too.

http://familywatchdog.us/

National Sex Offender Registry - Enter an address to view a map of registered sex offenders near you.

Wow that is an amazing web site

http://205.201.136.11/maps/F969622200522.jpg

This guy likes them real young

[baja]

It seems to me that at this point in time, you are broad brushing what Shack said regarding this. Let's see if we can come up with a few legitimate talking points for some real discussion.

Here is another old stand by for you Dome - B l o w me.

[JCMElway]

I'll say it again. Making an issue like this, involving a government employee, in any way political is just stupid. And I would say the same thing if there was a Democrat in the White House.

It's not about the employee, it's about the power that the republican executive branch is allowing the employees to have. Bush wants to make it OK for the government to pry into people's lives without having a subpoena.

The danger arises when the government agencies can't be trusted. I'm not saying Bush is condoning sexual illegalities on his watch. What I am saying is that when you sidestep the constitution you are opening up many problems. One of them is not being able to trust individual government employees.

I am uncomfortable with any legislation that strips us of our civil liberties all in the name of safety and protection; be it the Patriot act, or any other law that allows the gov't to pry into our personal lives. There are too many way to abuse that power. One of those way is employing sexual predators who may have the ability to tap people's phones and read their email.

The law and the constitution protect us. Do I want that protection? Yes. And I even want that protection if Democrats run the White hous and legislative branches.

[DomCasual]

It's not about the employee, it's about the power that the republican executive branch is allowing the employees to have. Bush wants to make it OK for the government to pry into people's lives without having a subpoena.

The danger arises when the government agencies can't be trusted. I'm not saying Bush is condoning sexual illegalities on his watch. What I am saying is that when you sidestep the constitution you are opening up many problems. One of them is not being able to trust individual government employees.

I am uncomfortable with any legislation that strips us of our civil liberties all in the name of safety and protection; be it the Patriot act, or any other law that allows the gov't to pry into our personal lives. There are too many way to abuse that power. One of those way is employing sexual predators who may have the ability to tap people's phones and read their email.

The law and the constitution protect us. Do I want that protection? Yes. And I even want that protection if Democrats run the White hous and legislative branches.
All fine points. But they are completely unrelated to the issue in this thread. The Patriot Act and its repercussions have nothing to do, directly or indirectly, to some dumbass trying to have sex with a minor.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Making an issue like this, involving a government employee, in any way political is just stupid.

:rofl: Thigh-slapper of the day. :rofl:

Can you imagine how different a tune he'd have been singin' had a Clinton appointee been busted for sexual solicitation of a minor?

[DomCasual]

:rofl: Thigh-slapper of the day. :rofl:

Can you imagine how different a tune he'd have been singin' had a Clinton appointee been busted for sexual solicitation of a minor?
Are you serious? Can you find me the press release Brian Doyle was named as a "Bush appointee?" He is described as a "Homeland Security press aid." If I go apply for a job in, say, The Department of Agriculture - I want to work in the administration for the Forest Service, let's say - do I interview with the White House for that job? Do I get to speak with the president himself? Or am I hired by someone in the Forest Service, who was hired by someone in the Forest Service, and so on...

Tell me - when a president administration changes, do we just shut down the government so the new president can hire brand new employees at every level? I called the IRS back in 1998, and the person I talked to on the IRS 1-800 number gave me the wrong answer - typical for a Clinton appointee. ::)

Do you realize how trite you have become here? You waste your time posting all your drivel, because no one with half a brain cares about what you say. You are beyond predictable. You have a pat answer for any scenario, and it always - always! - comes from the same direction. You aren't honest about what you believe on any given issue. You are a lobbyist - like a paid shill. As such, you are nothing more than background noise.

Cut and paste this in individual quotes, and add lots of smileys. No sense stopping being predictable now.

[No1BroncoFan]

Give me a break. That is just stupid. It's so stupid, I am surprised you aren't embarrassed for having posted it. It's beneath you.
Dom, he's never embarrassed over his stupidity. He loves throwing it out there for all to see and when called on it will add more stupidity in defense of the original stupidity. I'm amazed there's anyone who doesn't have him on ignore.

Ben

[Dr. Broncenstein]

It's all part of the right wing conspiracy... we want every pederass to hold a powerful federal office. I'm suprised that you libs are just now figuring this out.

[baja]

It's all part of the right wing conspiracy... we want every pederass to hold a powerful federal office. I'm suprised that you libs are just now figuring this out.

Don't you just love that "you libs" line.

Tell me doc who do think the libs on this board are?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Don't you just love that "you libs" line.

Tell me doc who do think the libs on this board are?

When I say "libs," I mean it as a term of endearment... Someone has to play the mommy role.

[baja]

When I say "libs," I mean it as a term of endearment... Someone has to play the mommy role.

Help me out here what is a lib anyway?

[GonzoLays]

When I say "libs," I mean it as a term of endearment... Someone has to play the mommy role.

We knew you right wing wackos were into pedophilia but the cross dressing/role playing is something new.

http://halloween.earthcammobile.com/pics/0/560-5952.jpg

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Help me out here what is a lib anyway?

Objection... rhetorical

[baja]

http://halloween.earthcammobile.com/pics/0/560-5952.jpg



Damn he's hot

looks just like MT's hockey player

[baja]

Objection... rhetorical

ha ha I knew you would think that.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

We knew you right wing wackos were into pedophilia but the cross dressing/role playing is something new.

http://halloween.earthcammobile.com/pics/0/560-5952.jpg

Seriously.... Barry Bonds. Trying to flame anyone at this point is just sad.

[baja]

Hey doc what's your take on this?

http://www.healingquests.com/index.htm

[GonzoLays]

Gannongate threatens to expose a huge GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

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February 18, 2005—Now that is has been discovered that "Jeff Gannon" (real name James D. Guckert), a "reporter" for Talon News Service, a front operation run by the conservative Republican-oriented GOPUSA.com, was using an alias as a cleared White House reporter, details are emerging that threaten to immerse the Bush administration in a major scandal.

"Gannongate," which is only now being mentioned by the mainstream news media, threatens to expose a potentially damaging GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring dating back to the 1980s and the administration of George H. W. Bush. James D. Guckert, using the name Jeff Gannon and possibly other aliases, was also running gay porn sites, one with a U.S. Marine Corps theme that solicited males for prostitution.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said he did not realize Gannon was using an alias until recently. However, rumors in the gay community are circulating about McClellan frequenting gay bars in Austin, Texas.

Gannon bypassed established Secret Service security controls, including a background check requiring a social security number, to obtain a White House press pass that identified him by an alias, an action seen by many seasoned Washington journalists as only being possible if he had favorable treatment from White House staff, especially McClellan and his predecessor, Ari Fleischer. One White House reporter expressed revulsion over the fact that it was Fleischer who took away press credentials from the late long-time White House correspondent Sarah McClendon and handed them to Gannon.

GOPUSA.com is run by a right-wing Texan and Bush friend named Bobby Eberle. In 2003, GOPUSA.com launched a vicious anti-Semitic attack against international financier George Soros, a leading philanthropist for progressive causes and a major contributor to the Democratic Party.

In 2003, Gannon was reportedly given access by White House staff to a classified State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research memorandum regarding a CIA meeting involving the dispatch of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate claims, which turned out to be false, that Iraq had attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from the West African country. The Wilson case ultimately led to a leak to the media by unnamed White House staff of Wilson's wife's name and identity as a covert CIA agent.

It was also revealed that Jeffgannon.com had been registered by the same Delaware-based company that had registered other Republican-oriented web sites, along with those catering to pornographic military gay themes and male escort services.

TalonNews.com and GOPUSA.com are both registered to Endeavor Media Group LLC, operating from Post Office Box 891354 in Houston, Texas. The phone number provided is 999-999-9999. The registrant for a series of web sites, including Jeffgannon.com, Theconservativeguy.com, Exposejessejackson.com, Militaryescorts.com, militaryescortsm4m.com, and hotmilitarystud.com is Bedrock Corporation of 4001 Kennett Pike in Wilmington, Delaware. Bedrock is owned by Jim Guckert, the apparent real identity of Jeff Gannon. The administrative contact for Bedrock was listed as "J. Daniels," possibly another alias.

After the Gannon story broke, militaryescorts.com and hotmilitarystud.com were redirected to a secure log-in site at Cupertino, California-based www.dividezero.net/, which was registered to GKG.Net, which had a contact email in College Station, Texas, the home of Texas A&M University and the George H.W. Bush presidential library. Dividezero.net had a secure log-in window but no subscription information. Experts who track illegal content on the web, including child pornography, report that such sites are common where log-in information is provided separately by regular mail so that the identities of subscribers cannot be easily tracked by online enrollment and entry of credit card information.

Gannongate is reminiscent of a huge political scandal that surfaced in Nebraska in 1989 when it was learned that Lawrence King, the head of Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha and a rising African American star in the GOP (he sang the national anthem at George H. W. Bush's 1988 nominating convention in New Orleans), was a kingpin—along with top Republicans in Nebraska and Washington, DC, including George H. W. Bush—in a child prostitution and pedophilia scandal. King was later convicted and jailed for fraud but pedophile and prostitution charges were never brought against him and other Nebraska Republican businessmen and politicians.

The scandal, investigated by Nebraska State Senator Loran Schmit, his assistant John DeCamp (a former GOP state senator), State Senate Committee investigator Gary Caradori, and former CIA Director William Colby, reached the very top echelons of the George H. W. Bush administration and GOP. Child prostitutes from Boys Town and other orphanages in Nebraska as well as children procured from China were reportedly flown to Washington for sexcapades with Republican politicians. GOP lobbyist Craig Spence and a number of GOP officials in the administration and Congress were implicated in the scandal, including Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole's liaison to the White House. Young male members of the military in Washington, DC, were particularly sought after by the prostitution ring. During the early 1980s, a number of naval officers were implicated in a child pornography ring that extended from Oregon to the San Francisco Bay area and to Chicago and Washington, DC. The story about that ring was covered up by then-Secretary of the Navy John Lehman.

The Nebraska pedophile scandal was similarly covered up on orders from the highest levels of power in the senior Bush White House. Caradori and his young son were killed in a suspicious plane crash in Illinois in 1990. Colby was found floating dead in the Chesapeake Bay, near his home, in 1996. Craig Spence allegedly committed suicide in 1989. Witnesses, many of whom were abused themselves, were intimidated and subsequently jailed in Nebraska and the investigation of the pedophile scandal eventually collapsed. The entire military aspect of the King-Spence scandal is now being repeated in Washington in Gannongate.

Last year, a senior source on the Washington Times editorial staff (the same paper that broke the GOP pedophile scandal in 1989) linked White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove to gay activities involving top Republican political strategists in Washington, DC.

Gannon (Guckert) has been a major player in GOP and fundamentalist Christian politics in Washington and around the country. In 2004, "Jeff Gannon" was a featured speaker at a Capitol Hill Bible reading sponsored by anti-abortion Operation Rescue head Reverend Rob Schenk. In 1995, Schenk was the spokesman for the American Center for Law and Justice, an anti-abortion group funded by Pat Robertson. Schenk was also a major supporter of former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who was removed from office for refusing to comply with a federal court order.

Schenk, who attended prayer meetings at John Ashcroft's Capitol Hill apartment after Ashcroft came to Washington in 1994, established his Pentecostal National Community Church at the dilapidated Giddings School in a crime-ridden neighborhood in Southeast Washington. One of his congregants was Ashcroft. The Hill newspaper ran an article on July 30, 2003, about a controversy surrounding plans by the community development Eighth Street Main Streets Project to place park benches in a small triangular park at 8th and I Streets in Southeast Washington, opposite the U.S. Marine Corps Barracks. The paper reported that a "community activist" named Jeff Gannon vehemently opposed the park bench plan claiming it would attract "vagrants, alcoholics, and other 'problem personalities.'" The park is located just five blocks from the school where "reporter" Gannon's friend Schenk first located his Pentecostal church.

Gannon hosted a web-based radio program called "Jeff Gannon's Washington," broadcast on his own web site, Jeffgannon.com, and Righttalk.com, a conservative GOP site whose registrant is based in Watsonville, California. Gannon's only journalism credentials were his attendance at a two-day seminar at the Leadership Institute's Broadcast School of Journalism in Arlington, Virginia. The head of the Leadership Institute is Morton Blackwell, a former Reagan administration official and a one-time head of the College Republicans, a post that Karl Rove also filled.

Gannon seemed particularly interested in South Dakota politics. GOP Senate candidate John Thune appeared on Gannon's radio webcast program. On February 4, 2004, while being served softball questions by Gannon, Thune called Daschle an "obstructionist and antagonist to President Bush."

According to Roll Call, Gannon also served as an official of the Free Speech Foundation, an organization that helped defend ProBush.com from a lawsuit by former South Dakota Democratic Senator James Abourezk. The web site features a "Traitor's List" that includes Abourezk. The former senator and Navy veteran sued ProBush.com for defamation. Abourezk asked for $5 million in damages and a public apology after sending a cease and desist letter to the web site owner, a 21-year old suburban Philadelphia resident named Mike Marino, who registered the site using a post office box address in West Point, Pennsylvania. After Abourezk's lawsuit threat, Gannon came to Marino's assistance. Other names on the Traitor's List include President Jimmy Carter, Susan Sarandon, Viggo Mortensen, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Howard Stern, John Kerry, Edward Kennedy, Martin Luther King III, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, Michael Moore, The Dixie Chicks, and former Democratic Rep. Gary Condit of California.

Gannon was also wired into the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI). He wrote a pro-Iraq war article for the March 1, 2004, issue of their magazine, American Enterprise. AEI employs such ardent neo-conservative figures as Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, and Lynne Cheney. Ironically, many of Gannon's articles were anti-gay rights, such as one that insinuated that John Kerry's "pro-homosexual platform" would make him the nation's "first gay president."

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/021805Madsen/021805madsen.html

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Hey doc what's your take on this?

http://www.healingquests.com/index.htm

I thought I was the only "entity" that performed surgery...

/going to have to talk to God about this one

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Gannongate threatens to expose a huge GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer

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February 18, 2005—Now that is has been discovered that "Jeff Gannon" (real name James D. Guckert), a "reporter" for Talon News Service, a front operation run by the conservative Republican-oriented GOPUSA.com, was using an alias as a cleared White House reporter, details are emerging that threaten to immerse the Bush administration in a major scandal.

"Gannongate," which is only now being mentioned by the mainstream news media, threatens to expose a potentially damaging GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring dating back to the 1980s and the administration of George H. W. Bush. James D. Guckert, using the name Jeff Gannon and possibly other aliases, was also running gay porn sites, one with a U.S. Marine Corps theme that solicited males for prostitution.

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan said he did not realize Gannon was using an alias until recently. However, rumors in the gay community are circulating about McClellan frequenting gay bars in Austin, Texas.

Gannon bypassed established Secret Service security controls, including a background check requiring a social security number, to obtain a White House press pass that identified him by an alias, an action seen by many seasoned Washington journalists as only being possible if he had favorable treatment from White House staff, especially McClellan and his predecessor, Ari Fleischer. One White House reporter expressed revulsion over the fact that it was Fleischer who took away press credentials from the late long-time White House correspondent Sarah McClendon and handed them to Gannon.

GOPUSA.com is run by a right-wing Texan and Bush friend named Bobby Eberle. In 2003, GOPUSA.com launched a vicious anti-Semitic attack against international financier George Soros, a leading philanthropist for progressive causes and a major contributor to the Democratic Party.

In 2003, Gannon was reportedly given access by White House staff to a classified State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research memorandum regarding a CIA meeting involving the dispatch of former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate claims, which turned out to be false, that Iraq had attempted to procure yellowcake uranium from the West African country. The Wilson case ultimately led to a leak to the media by unnamed White House staff of Wilson's wife's name and identity as a covert CIA agent.

It was also revealed that Jeffgannon.com had been registered by the same Delaware-based company that had registered other Republican-oriented web sites, along with those catering to pornographic military gay themes and male escort services.

TalonNews.com and GOPUSA.com are both registered to Endeavor Media Group LLC, operating from Post Office Box 891354 in Houston, Texas. The phone number provided is 999-999-9999. The registrant for a series of web sites, including Jeffgannon.com, Theconservativeguy.com, Exposejessejackson.com, Militaryescorts.com, militaryescortsm4m.com, and hotmilitarystud.com is Bedrock Corporation of 4001 Kennett Pike in Wilmington, Delaware. Bedrock is owned by Jim Guckert, the apparent real identity of Jeff Gannon. The administrative contact for Bedrock was listed as "J. Daniels," possibly another alias.

After the Gannon story broke, militaryescorts.com and hotmilitarystud.com were redirected to a secure log-in site at Cupertino, California-based www.dividezero.net/, which was registered to GKG.Net, which had a contact email in College Station, Texas, the home of Texas A&M University and the George H.W. Bush presidential library. Dividezero.net had a secure log-in window but no subscription information. Experts who track illegal content on the web, including child pornography, report that such sites are common where log-in information is provided separately by regular mail so that the identities of subscribers cannot be easily tracked by online enrollment and entry of credit card information.

Gannongate is reminiscent of a huge political scandal that surfaced in Nebraska in 1989 when it was learned that Lawrence King, the head of Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha and a rising African American star in the GOP (he sang the national anthem at George H. W. Bush's 1988 nominating convention in New Orleans), was a kingpin—along with top Republicans in Nebraska and Washington, DC, including George H. W. Bush—in a child prostitution and pedophilia scandal. King was later convicted and jailed for fraud but pedophile and prostitution charges were never brought against him and other Nebraska Republican businessmen and politicians.

The scandal, investigated by Nebraska State Senator Loran Schmit, his assistant John DeCamp (a former GOP state senator), State Senate Committee investigator Gary Caradori, and former CIA Director William Colby, reached the very top echelons of the George H. W. Bush administration and GOP. Child prostitutes from Boys Town and other orphanages in Nebraska as well as children procured from China were reportedly flown to Washington for sexcapades with Republican politicians. GOP lobbyist Craig Spence and a number of GOP officials in the administration and Congress were implicated in the scandal, including Labor Secretary Elizabeth Dole's liaison to the White House. Young male members of the military in Washington, DC, were particularly sought after by the prostitution ring. During the early 1980s, a number of naval officers were implicated in a child pornography ring that extended from Oregon to the San Francisco Bay area and to Chicago and Washington, DC. The story about that ring was covered up by then-Secretary of the Navy John Lehman.

The Nebraska pedophile scandal was similarly covered up on orders from the highest levels of power in the senior Bush White House. Caradori and his young son were killed in a suspicious plane crash in Illinois in 1990. Colby was found floating dead in the Chesapeake Bay, near his home, in 1996. Craig Spence allegedly committed suicide in 1989. Witnesses, many of whom were abused themselves, were intimidated and subsequently jailed in Nebraska and the investigation of the pedophile scandal eventually collapsed. The entire military aspect of the King-Spence scandal is now being repeated in Washington in Gannongate.

Last year, a senior source on the Washington Times editorial staff (the same paper that broke the GOP pedophile scandal in 1989) linked White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove to gay activities involving top Republican political strategists in Washington, DC.

Gannon (Guckert) has been a major player in GOP and fundamentalist Christian politics in Washington and around the country. In 2004, "Jeff Gannon" was a featured speaker at a Capitol Hill Bible reading sponsored by anti-abortion Operation Rescue head Reverend Rob Schenk. In 1995, Schenk was the spokesman for the American Center for Law and Justice, an anti-abortion group funded by Pat Robertson. Schenk was also a major supporter of former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore, who was removed from office for refusing to comply with a federal court order.

Schenk, who attended prayer meetings at John Ashcroft's Capitol Hill apartment after Ashcroft came to Washington in 1994, established his Pentecostal National Community Church at the dilapidated Giddings School in a crime-ridden neighborhood in Southeast Washington. One of his congregants was Ashcroft. The Hill newspaper ran an article on July 30, 2003, about a controversy surrounding plans by the community development Eighth Street Main Streets Project to place park benches in a small triangular park at 8th and I Streets in Southeast Washington, opposite the U.S. Marine Corps Barracks. The paper reported that a "community activist" named Jeff Gannon vehemently opposed the park bench plan claiming it would attract "vagrants, alcoholics, and other 'problem personalities.'" The park is located just five blocks from the school where "reporter" Gannon's friend Schenk first located his Pentecostal church.

Gannon hosted a web-based radio program called "Jeff Gannon's Washington," broadcast on his own web site, Jeffgannon.com, and Righttalk.com, a conservative GOP site whose registrant is based in Watsonville, California. Gannon's only journalism credentials were his attendance at a two-day seminar at the Leadership Institute's Broadcast School of Journalism in Arlington, Virginia. The head of the Leadership Institute is Morton Blackwell, a former Reagan administration official and a one-time head of the College Republicans, a post that Karl Rove also filled.

Gannon seemed particularly interested in South Dakota politics. GOP Senate candidate John Thune appeared on Gannon's radio webcast program. On February 4, 2004, while being served softball questions by Gannon, Thune called Daschle an "obstructionist and antagonist to President Bush."

According to Roll Call, Gannon also served as an official of the Free Speech Foundation, an organization that helped defend ProBush.com from a lawsuit by former South Dakota Democratic Senator James Abourezk. The web site features a "Traitor's List" that includes Abourezk. The former senator and Navy veteran sued ProBush.com for defamation. Abourezk asked for $5 million in damages and a public apology after sending a cease and desist letter to the web site owner, a 21-year old suburban Philadelphia resident named Mike Marino, who registered the site using a post office box address in West Point, Pennsylvania. After Abourezk's lawsuit threat, Gannon came to Marino's assistance. Other names on the Traitor's List include President Jimmy Carter, Susan Sarandon, Viggo Mortensen, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, Howard Stern, John Kerry, Edward Kennedy, Martin Luther King III, Rep. Cynthia McKinney, Michael Moore, The Dixie Chicks, and former Democratic Rep. Gary Condit of California.

Gannon was also wired into the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI). He wrote a pro-Iraq war article for the March 1, 2004, issue of their magazine, American Enterprise. AEI employs such ardent neo-conservative figures as Richard Perle, Michael Ledeen, and Lynne Cheney. Ironically, many of Gannon's articles were anti-gay rights, such as one that insinuated that John Kerry's "pro-homosexual platform" would make him the nation's "first gay president."

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/021805Madsen/021805madsen.html

Lusting after small children I can understand (because I'm a Republican, we all do it)... but rooting for Bonds is just plain ghey

[DomCasual]

Lusting after small children I can understand (because I'm a Republican, we all do it)... but rooting for Bonds is just plain ghey
teh ghey, no less.

[sirhcyennek81]

Yes, the GOP plan. Get them while their young...seriously...a GOP sex ring?

:Broncos:

[baja]

I thought I was the only "entity" that performed surgery...

/going to have to talk to God about this one

I'm going there in two weeks for two weeks.

I'l let you know about my experience there if you like?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

I'm going there in two weeks for two weeks.

I'l let you know about my experience there if you like?

Sure. Lemme know. Hope everything is okay.. (seriously)

[baja]

Sure. Lemme know. Hope everything is okay.. (seriously)

Thanks - I have some minor issues. I'll let you know about the experience.

[GonzoLays]

Im almost conviced your stupidity is just an act. A way for you to draw attention to yourself.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/141003silence1.gif

Now hurry up and get back to your boys...

[broncosteven]

Holy crap 15 in a 1 or 2 mile area. How many of these POS are out there???

I stand corrected it is more like 18 in a 5 mile radius, only 2 in under a mile per the site on this page. That is 18 too many. I am glad they show the pictures!

[sirhcyennek81]

Had to take my mom to the Univ. of Colorado Hospital in denver...being a doctors office, I got to watch the View...at any rate, they had a woman on who hunts out pedophiles online, but she is not a cop. She said, at any given MOMENT online, 20,000 predators are looking for kids.

:Broncos:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Do you realize how trite you have become here? You waste your time posting all your drivel, because no one with half a brain cares about what you say. You are beyond predictable. You have a pat answer for any scenario, and it always - always! - comes from the same direction. You aren't honest about what you believe on any given issue. You are a lobbyist - like a paid shill. As such, you are nothing more than background noise.

Cut and paste this in individual quotes, and add lots of smileys. No sense stopping being predictable now.

Just as expected - nothing but a bunch of willy-nilly ad hominem attacks and baseless accusations - none of which address my original post.

Talk about "predictable" - you are a veritable walking textbook of standard-brand, right-wing deflection and obfuscation tactics.

But I'm sure the folks at DHS are happy to know you have their backs. :D

[Garcia Bronco]

It's not about the employee, it's about the power that the republican executive branch is allowing the employees to have. Bush wants to make it OK for the government to pry into people's lives without having a subpoena.

The danger arises when the government agencies can't be trusted. I'm not saying Bush is condoning sexual illegalities on his watch. What I am saying is that when you sidestep the constitution you are opening up many problems. One of them is not being able to trust individual government employees.

I am uncomfortable with any legislation that strips us of our civil liberties all in the name of safety and protection; be it the Patriot act, or any other law that allows the gov't to pry into our personal lives. There are too many way to abuse that power. One of those way is employing sexual predators who may have the ability to tap people's phones and read their email.

The law and the constitution protect us. Do I want that protection? Yes. And I even want that protection if Democrats run the White hous and legislative branches.

That's got nothing to do with it..and look...the guy got caught despite his job.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gannongate threatens to expose a huge GOP pedophile and male prostitution ring
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And leave us not forget the infamous "Spider's list."

The short version:

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

The minute you present this list, the right-wing spin jobbers will claim that you are trying to argue that all republicans are pedophiles.

Actually, we just want them to explain why so many GOP office holders are pedophiles.

Is it just a coincidence?

If so, then why can't they produce a comparable list of Dems?

{Cue another round of smears and ad hominems from Dumb Casual, et al.}

[baja]

Where is the list of Dems There has to be some kind of similar list some where.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You guys had to know that this was coming. I guess its a good thing that the main forum gets a glimpse of what its like in the politics forum. Get out your spam shovel because your going to have to suffer through quite a bit of it!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The danger arises when the government agencies can't be trusted. I'm not saying Bush is condoning sexual illegalities on his watch. What I am saying is that when you sidestep the constitution you are opening up many problems. One of them is not being able to trust individual government employees.

Bingo.

Someone finally gets it.

It's not like this Doyle character is the first DHS official who has been arrested for some crime or another or who has been exposed as a fraud/Bush crony who possesses no real qualifications for his position.

DHS is a government bureaucracy created by the Bush administration and charged with 'securing the homeland.'

Can you image the reaction from the right had something like all of the above happened on Clinton's watch?

We would still be hearing about it along with the cigar jokes.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Where is the list of Dems There has to be some kind of similar list some where.

Right.

That's all anyone on the left is asking for.

That, and an explanation as to why so many repub office holders and power brokers are pedophiles.

Pretty simple requests.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You guys had to know that this was coming. I guess its a good thing that the main forum gets a glimpse of what its like in the politics forum. Get out your spam shovel because your going to have to suffer through quite a bit of it!

AngryLL keeps things simple for himself by labeling anything that bothers him "spam."

That way he can always feel like he's on the high horse.

[epicSocialism4tw]

AngryLL keeps things simple for himself by labeling anything that bothers him "spam."

That way he can always feel like he's on the high horse.


Who are you talking to?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Who are you talking to?

I was referring to your last post.

Rather than simply stating "I disagree with your opinion, and here are the reasons why" or "you don't have your facts straight, and here's proof" or "this particular statement you made is false, and here's why," you simply label anything that makes you uncomfortable as "spam" or "propaganda" - as if that ended the entire debate right then and there.

This sort of tactic only makes you appear logically challenged.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I was referring to your last post.

I meant to say that my only intention on this board is to spam it incessantly with anti-Bush, anti-GOP propaganda. I volunteer for moveon.org and we are implementing a propaganda strategy for internet message boards. I have no interest in the Broncos or in any person or persons on this site.

I am logically challenged.

LAPM, I was just commenting on how funny it is that you make posts that you gear towards an "audience" and how it is rare that you will ever even address the person you are conversing with.

[Kaylore]

LAPM, I was just commenting on how funny it is that you make posts that you gear towards an "audience" and how it is rare that you will ever even address the person you are conversing with.
It's easier to diss someone when you refer to them in the third person.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Dueling Quotes

LAPM, I was just commenting on how funny it is that you make posts that you gear towards an "audience" and how it is rare that you will ever even address the person you are conversing with.

You guys had to know that this was coming. I guess its a good thing that the main forum gets a glimpse of what its like in the politics forum. Get out your spam shovel because your going to have to suffer through quite a bit of it!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

... how it is rare that you will ever even address the person you are conversing with.

tsk tsk

Holy cow, you just never let up with the lies for even a minute, do you?

See this thread for my most recent exchange with you:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=38669

[epicSocialism4tw]

Dueling Quotes

You like? I just thought that I would warn the people who arent aware of what you are about to bring to the thread to exit now while they still can.

LA Auto Response spams without prejudice.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Holy cow, you just never let up with the lies for even a minute, do you?

See this thread for my most recent exchange with you:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=38669

The only way to get a response from you that isnt spam is to attack your character. Then you get so disturbed at taking a hit to your cyberpopularity that you respond on que. I think that you can find plenty of evidence of that on that thread too.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You like? I just thought that I would warn the people who arent aware of what you are about to bring to the thread to exit now while they still can.

Translation:

"Bandwagon appeals and use of the third-person are OK when I use them."

LA Auto Response spams without prejudice.

Angrydramaqueen labels anything inconvenient or uncomfortable as "spam" without regard to facts.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The only way to get a response from you that isnt spam is to attack your character.

Translation:

"I like to make it personal - that way I don't have to deal with matters of fact or questions of truth and falsehood."

Then you get so disturbed at taking a hit to your cyberpopularity that you respond on que.(sic)

:rofl:

A member of the 34% talking about hits to others' popularity? (And defensiveness re: the same?)

The irony! :rofl:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Translation:

"Bandwagon appeals and use of the third-person are OK when I use them."



Angrydramaqueen labels anything inconvenent or uncomfortable as "spam" without regard to facts.

Are you even human? Or are you some new software that moveon.org has put together to infiltrate politics message boards.


Lets see...without googling, who was the Denver Broncos' LB in 1986that later became a coach for the Broncos?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Right on cue:

More ad hominems and non-sequiturs from the out-of-ammo bushbot.

[JCMElway]

All fine points. But they are completely unrelated to the issue in this thread. The Patriot Act and its repercussions have nothing to do, directly or indirectly, to some dumbass trying to have sex with a minor.

It does when that dumbass is one of the top officials in a governmental department that has the capability to eavesdrop on American citizens.

[JCMElway]

Are you even human? Or are you some new software that moveon.org has put together to infiltrate politics message boards.

OK, I don't necessarily agree with you, but that quote is funny.

[DomCasual]

{Cue another round of smears and ad hominems from Dumb Casual, et al.}
Ah, the irony of you putting "smear" and "Dumb Casual" in the same statement...

You know what I said about you being "background noise" is true. Everyone else on here knows it, too. I won't get into a political debate with you about real issues because I know A) what your response will be, and B) that you won't really read anything I write. The funny thing is that I am not really all that conservative in my political beliefs. Heck, I voted for Bill Clinton - twice! But you are too blinded by your paranoia and your desire to slap labels on everyone that you don't even notice what people really think.

So, say what you want about "ad hominems" - you created the perception people have of you. Heck, at least I don't just have you on ignore. I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single person on the OrangeMane that is more on ignore than you. If we're grading on a curve, I guess that makes me one of your biggest fans. :D (smiley face inserted, just to make you feel at home)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Ah, the irony of you putting "smear" and "Dumb Casual" in the same statement...

The irony of your ability to dish the ad hominems out but not take them.

Case in point:

You know what I said about you being "background noise" is true.

And he follows the ad hominem up with a bandwagon appeal:

Everyone else on here knows it, too.
And a real whopper:


The funny thing is that I am not really all that conservative in my political beliefs.

And I'm the Easter Bunny.

People who are "not really all that conservative" don't vote the way you did in baja's recent poll.

you created the perception people have of you.

Actually, just the reverse is true.

People see what they want to see, and there is nothing either you or I can do about it.

The real question is: Why are other people's perceptions, i.e., appearances, so important to you?

I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single person on the OrangeMane that is more on ignore than you.

Bandwagon appeal #2.

Beats having to actually construct a valid argument or deal with matters of fact, questions of truth/falsehood, etc., I suppose.

:D (smiley face inserted, just to make you feel at home)

What's up with this fixation you have with the smileys?

This board must drive you crazy, what with so many of them. :D

[DomCasual]

Predictable.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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The funny thing is that I am not really all that conservative in my political beliefs...

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Proud of the most radical right-wing president/administration/legislative branch in US history, but "not really all that conservative in my political beliefs?"

Sorry, but I gotta bust a smiley after that one...

Hilarious!

[24champ]

Ah, the irony of you putting "smear" and "Dumb Casual" in the same statement...

You know what I said about you being "background noise" is true. Everyone else on here knows it, too. I won't get into a political debate with you about real issues because I know A) what your response will be, and B) that you won't really read anything I write. The funny thing is that I am not really all that conservative in my political beliefs. Heck, I voted for Bill Clinton - twice! But you are too blinded by your paranoia and your desire to slap labels on everyone that you don't even notice what people really think.

So, say what you want about "ad hominems" - you created the perception people have of you. Heck, at least I don't just have you on ignore. I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single person on the OrangeMane that is more on ignore than you. If we're grading on a curve, I guess that makes me one of your biggest fans. :D (smiley face inserted, just to make you feel at home)

LABF beats boob? ouch.

[24champ]

Are you even human? Or are you some new software that moveon.org has put together to infiltrate politics message boards.


Lets see...without googling, who was the Denver Broncos' LB in 1986that later became a coach for the Broncos?
Hint to LAPM-

He recently got promoted to offensive cordinator and his first name is rick.LOL

[DomCasual]

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Proud of the most radical right-wing president/administration/legislative branch in US history, but "not really all that conservative in my political beliefs?"

Sorry, but I gotta bust a smiley after that one...

Hilarious!
Wouldn't want to throw out any qualifiying statements I put with that, would you?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF beats boob? ouch.

Ha ha ha! :D

Every new day brings a new Bush administration scandal, arrest, indictment, drop in approval, etc.

Seeing people like you and your little buddy Dom reduced to attacking the messengers and the critics as their last refuge is truly hysterical.

This is all you have left - your only way to achieve a false sense of moral superiority.

Wait - that's not entirely true: You could man up and admit you screwed up in backing Bush and that the same people you vilified as traitors and America-haters were right after all.

...and, in the immortal words of Wayne Campbell, monkeys might fly out of my butt. :D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wouldn't want to throw out any qualifiying statements I put with that, would you?

You're "not really all that conservative in your views" but you're happy with BushCo and the GOP Congress?

Qualify that.

[Hulamau]

Put Jack Bower on his case, he's gettin' ready to jump up the ass of the Homeland crew trying to take over CTU on Monday nights! Might as well nail the pedophile with the rest of 'em!

[24champ]

Ha ha ha! :D

Every new day brings a new Bush administration scandal, arrest, indictment, drop in approval, etc.

Seeing people like you and your little buddy Dom reduced to attacking the messengers and the critics as their last refuge is truly hysterical.

This is all you have left - your only way to achieve a false sense of moral superiority.

Wait - that's not entirely true: You could man up and admit you screwed up in backing Bush and that the same people you vilified as traitors and America-haters were right after all.

...and, in the immortal words of Wayne Campbell, monkeys might fly out of my butt. :D

get a life man, its like you revolved your whole life around bush. Quite sad really. Personally I dont agree with everything bush does.Im just glad someone in my party doesnt go around bitch slapping security guards in DC. BTW I hope this guy that got caught gets life.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

get a life man, its like you revolved your whole life around bush. Quite sad really.

Wow - you should get a gig interning for Karl Rove.

Arguments like the one above are sure to make everyone forget the non-stop scandals and rescue Dubya's approval ratings. :D

Im just glad someone in my party doesnt go around b**** slapping security guards in DC.

Yeah - maybe she should take some etiquette lessons from Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Scooter Libby, Brian Doyle, or Dick "GoFyourself" Cheney. :D

[24champ]

Wow - you should get a gig interning for Karl Rove.

Arguments like the one above are sure to make everyone forget the non-stop scandals and rescue Dubya's approval ratings. :D



Yeah - maybe she should take some etiquette lessons from Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Scooter Libby, Brian Doyle, or Dick "GoFyourself" Cheney. :D
Every Admin. has scandals, wtf is your point? Like I said before, the guy that got caught should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Maine shot down Jessica's Law? Why? Too harsh? Its the left that sympathizes with rapists.So you have Maine shot down Jessica's Law, a vermont Leftist judge hands out a weak 30-day sentence to a convicted rapist.

[DomCasual]

You're "not really all that conservative in your views" but you're happy with BushCo and the GOP Congress?

Qualify that.
No. You'd have to actually have to go back to read the thread to see - apparently, you are the version of the fully automated DemBot that doesn't have that level of sophistication.

I said:
Sure, there are incidents about which I am not proud. But as a whole, I think this presidency has dealt with issues unprecedented in our country's history. I believe they deserve to be judged, as a whole, by a slightly different set of standards for that reason.
And then:
Of course you have to put a presidency in the context of the issues it faced, because judging a presidency is a subjective process. There's no absolute score that can be kept.

The great presidents almost always have had a focal issue they dealt with, and how they handled that issue is what made their presidency memorable. In other words, their presidency is judged contextually. All the great presidents have failed at some things. But it is easier to overlook their failings because they dealt successfully with something of extreme historical significance.
And finally:
It just seemed that you tried to paint things a bit more black and white than what is fair.

It's part of why I can't stomach LABF. It's every bit as predictable as Rush Limbaugh.

I don't lean dramatically one way or another politically (although, in fairness - I would say I lean more to the right than the left). But the left seems to be incapable of getting on the same page long enough to mount any kind of challenge against the right - and MY, are they capable of complaining! Another milquetoast approach in 2008 by the Democrats is likely to result in more of the same for our government (and thus, more incessant b****ing from the left).

It's time to crap or get off the pot.
Nothing "blindly" pro-W there. I'm just not willing to incessantly b**** with no reasonable solutions, like you.

[Mile High Shack]

like I said on the post in the political forum

you are required when you check mark that little box whether you vote Dem or Rep to go and rape an 8 year old boy, it's a GOP requirment

[baja]

like I said on the post in the political forum

you are required when you check mark that little box whether you vote Dem or Rep to go and rape an 8 year old boy, it's a GOP requirment

So they lowered it to 8 and limited it to boys, I didn't know that I must work on keeping up better.

[GonzoLays]

http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/GOP%20Family%20Values.jpg
GOP FAMILY VALUES

The GOP -- Ain't nothin' wrong with a little "Good Ol' Pedophilia"

[Mile High Shack]

So they lowered it to 8 and limited it to boys, I didn't know that I must work on keeping up better.

if you didn't live in mexico and got your internet via donkey you'd be up on this stuff

a true GOP doesn't mess with girls, strictly young boys

[Rock Chalk]

Does it matter if this guy was a rep or dem?

Really does it matter?

All that matters is this **** is a sick psycho and should be put away. His political affiliation should have no bearing on any argument pertaining to this guy.

And why blame Bush for the actions of others?

Why not blame the actions of the person that committed the crime on the person the committed the crime?

Or does self-accountability no longer matter?

[GonzoLays]

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/The_Scream.jpg
Psychologists say conservatism
is a mental illness

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/sam_walls7.jpg
Republican Party Chairman Sam Walls, who is married, was urged to drop his candidacy for Congress when it was found he likes to dress up in women's clothing

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Republican activist Matthew Glavin, who preached family values, was caught masturbating in public and fondling an undercover park ranger

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Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule

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Republican Congressman Edward Schrock resigned from Congress after he was caught searching for sex on a gay telephone service.

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/JimWest1.jpg
Republican Mayor Jim West
championed an anti-gay agenda, but was later found to be gay himself

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Bob_Livingston.jpg
Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was about to vote for impeaching President Clinton for sexual improprieties until it was disclosed he was an adulterer

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Bob_packwood.jpg
Republican Senator Bob Packwood
resigned from Congress after 29 women accused him of sexual harrassment

[Boobs McGee]

now that's what I call a sticky situation!

[GonzoLays]

I urge all my fellow orangemaners to take a stand against GOP pedophilia. Power to the people!


1.Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

2.Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

3.Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

4.Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

5.Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

6.Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

7.Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

8.Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

9.Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

10.Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

11.Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

12.Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

13.Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

14.Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

15.Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

16.Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

17.Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

18.Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

19.Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

20.Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

21.Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

22.Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

23.Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

24.Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

25.Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

26.Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

27.Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

28.Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

29.Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

30.Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

31.Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

32.Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

33.Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

34.Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

35.Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

36.Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

37.Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

38.Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

39.Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

40.Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

41.Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

42.Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

43.Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

44.Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

45.Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

46.Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

47.Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

48.Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

49.Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

50.Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

51.Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

52.Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

53.Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

54.Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

[epicSocialism4tw]

..and so the general board gets a little taste of the politics forum...come on in for a spell! :hitself:

[ro_50]

Wow, I never intended when I put this story online that it was going to turn into a Political debate.

My intentions were to bring aware of these people that are sexual predators and that its a big problem in our society.

And lord knows how much of this is going on those sites like Facebook, My Space, etc.

I'm a big liberal but it doesnt matter if the Homeland Security guy was Dem or Rep, but the bottom line is these people need to be locked up for a long time.

[24champ]

Wow, I never intended when I put this story online that it was going to turn into a Political debate.

My intentions were to bring aware of these people that are sexual predators and that its a big problem in our society.

And lord knows how much of this is going on those sites like Facebook, My Space, etc.

I'm a big liberal but it doesnt matter if the Homeland Security guy was Dem or Rep, but the bottom line is these people need to be locked up for a long time.
problem with online sites is that the young people put too much info and they think they are lingerie models, facebook supposedly prevents other people that you dont want to see your info. Myspace is a problem IMO, it is paradise for scumbags.

[ro_50]

problem with online sites is that the young people put too much info and they think they are lingerie models, facebook supposedly prevents other people that you dont want to see your info. Myspace is a problem IMO, it is paradise for scumbags.


You are right. MySpace is a haven for predators.

[DBroncos4life]

Wow, I never intended when I put this story online that it was going to turn into a Political debate.

My intentions were to bring aware of these people that are sexual predators and that its a big problem in our society.

And lord knows how much of this is going on those sites like Facebook, My Space, etc.

I'm a big liberal but it doesnt matter if the Homeland Security guy was Dem or Rep, but the bottom line is these people need to be locked up for a long time.
I agree its a crazy thing. I know when I play poker on some sites then have chicks giving out ages and looking for guys. Seems pretty sad and I have to wonder how many of them are set-ups. Also I wonder what the number of peolpe that get busted for this type of thing is like? I look at it like taking your GF out to eat at the place where your other GF works at and wonder how you got busted.

[ColoradoDarin]

So it turns out that this guy is a registerest Democrat.

The fact that Brian Doyle is a longtime Democrat isn't really indicative of much of anything - his job was apolitical. His arrest in a Florida sting operation, despite the attempts of the left to paint it otherwise, is a personal failing - not one of the Bush administration.

h/t wizbangblog (http://wizbangblog.com/2006/04/07/dhs-child-sex-sting-official-is-a-democrat.php)

[Dr. Broncenstein]

O RLY?
OMG
Next thing you know... Repubs will condone butsecks

[-Slap-]

Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Neal_Horsley.jpg

But, he had no intention of aborting the offspring, so accusing him of hypocrisy is baseless.

[baja]

quote; Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule


http://www.armchairsubversive.com/Neal_Horsley.jpg

But, he had no intention of aborting the offspring, so accusing him of hypocrisy is baseless.

Had that mule been a donkey his party would have excommunicated him...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

:rofl: quote; Republican anti-abortion activist Neal Horsley admitted to having sex with a mule




Had that mule been a donkey his party would have excommunicated him...