Nuggz Thread

[ChampBailey24]

So i guess everyone is waiting till the playoffs to start a thred, but i mean cmon its 77 to 57 at halftime!!!!! The Nuggets need to win this game after that terrible showing against Dallas! GOOOOOOO NUGGETS!!!!!

[Dagmar]

The Nuggs are kicking ass tonight. Not a bad night for B-Ball, even the women's NCAA final blew the mens out of the water!

[bombay]

Great first half. Camby was on fire. The 77 was only two points shy of the game total vs. Dallas a couple days ago.

[spdirty]

unbelievable.

Never know what nuggets team is gonna show up from night to night.

[Dagmar]

unbelievable.

Never know what nuggets team is gonna show up from night to night.
It's pretty goddam frustrating...

[spdirty]

took em less than 6 minutes to cut it to 10 and we look like garbage.

God, sometimes I wonder why Im still a frickin fan of this team.

[spdirty]

screw it. Im watching Memoirs of a Geisha. F this team.

[Rascal]

Can't believe they are going to lose this game

[spdirty]

F this team...Im done watching till the playoffs start.

[Rascal]

Gosh dangit Carmelo...you've got to keep your head on.

[Clockwork Orange]

They stopped playing at halftime. They obviously figured their work was done and that the game was in the bag. They scored 77 points in the first half and they've got 32 so far in the 2nd. The reason? Hard work. They put in plenty of it in the first half and none in the 2nd half.

Carmelo lost his head and got himself tossed for no reason in particular. Brilliant. Now the Nuggets have the ball, down by 1 with 20.9 seconds left and their go to guy is in the locker room. Unbelievable.

[spdirty]

who takes the shot now?

Andre?

Mr max contract wont take it...(at least I dont trust him to).

[bombay]

Brutal loss. Why the hell did Karl put airball Evans on the line when Carmelo got tossed at 1:14?

[spdirty]

well, we paid 96 million for that kind of clutch player.:loser:

[Rascal]

that was disgusting to watch

[Clockwork Orange]

Mr max contract wont take it...(at least I dont trust him to).

He took it and predictably missed it. Max money well spent, as always. ::)

That's Carmelo's fault. That's his shot to take and he took himself out of the game. He let his team down tonight.

[Clockwork Orange]

Brutal loss. Why the hell did Karl put airball Evans on the line when Carmelo got tossed at 1:14?

He didn't. In that situation, the Clippers got to pick someone off the bench to shoot the free throws and they picked Evans.

[spdirty]

It was everyone's fault.

[Rascal]

Please get rid of that worthless turd in Kenyon Martin. 30+ minutes and 6 points. His usual production.

[spdirty]

Please get rid of that worthless turd in Kenyon Martin. 30+ minutes and 6 points. His usual production.

not if a fan calls him out.

[spdirty]

let Eisley or Buckner take a 3 for the win now...man itd be nice to have Earl right now.

[bombay]

He didn't. In that situation, the Clippers got to pick someone off the bench to shoot the free throws and they picked Evans.

Ah.. Thanks.

[RhymesayersDU]

Never have I been ashamed to be a Carmelo fan. Totally stupid.

Definately could have used a W tonight.

[Man-Goblin]

I didn't see the game as I'm currently in NC. But that is a freaking depressing. This team is going to win the division and still not have home court in the first round of the playoffs.

They can beat the Clippers and the Grizzlies even without home court, but ONLY because of Carmelo and his ability to deliver in the clutch. But he has to be in the game to do so, which tonight, he obviously wasn't.

Freaking depressing.

[Clockwork Orange]

They go to Patterson for the last shot and he misses.

Again, that's Carmelo's shot to take and he wasn't there to take it. He shoudl be ****ing ashamed of himself.

This team is going nowhere. They'll win this lousy division, Utah lost tonight so their magic number is now 3. But the players on this team don't seem to have a heart between them. Somehow they seem to think they can coast down the stretch, they haven't put together 4 quarters of basketball since the San Antonio game.

Just pathetic.

[Rascal]

This team needs a PG, SG, and a SF starters.

Andre is okay but nothing special. All of the top teams in past years have had a dominant guard...we don't have that.

We have no SG to hit the outside shot, and our SF is a walking vagina.

I like our role players though but you can't expect to go far with one stud and a bunch of role players and that is what the Nuggs are IMO.

[Clockwork Orange]

This team needs a PG, SG, and a SF starters.

Andre is okay but nothing special. All of the top teams in past years have had a dominant guard...we don't have that.

We have no SG to hit the outside shot, and our SF is a walking vagina.

I like our role players though but you can't expect to go far with one stud and a bunch of role players and that is what the Nuggs are IMO.

I think you mean a PF rather than a SF.

[Rascal]

Melo screwed up for sure. I'd be suprised if he ever does that again. He's just a kid still.

[Rascal]

I think you mean a PF rather than a SF.

Yeah I always called it a strong forward and weak forward (system we had in highschool) but it's the same thing.

[Clockwork Orange]

Melo screwed up for sure. I'd be suprised if he ever does that again. He's just a kid still.

That's true, but he's the go-to guy on this team and he has to keep his head no matter how frustrated he gets. For Christs sake, he was going to the line with a chance to tie it with two free throws. I'd really like to know just what the hell go into him. I know he got hit hard in the face on the play, but he's got to keep his composure.

[Man-Goblin]

They go to Patterson for the last shot and he misses.

Again, that's Carmelo's shot to take and he wasn't there to take it. He shoudl be ****ing ashamed of himself.

This team is going nowhere. They'll win this lousy division, Utah lost tonight so their magic number is now 3. But the players on this team don't seem to have a heart between them. Somehow they seem to think they can coast down the stretch, they haven't put together 4 quarters of basketball since the San Antonio game.

Just pathetic.

I haven't seen the highlights or read the recaps. What did he do?

[Rascal]

That's true, but he's the go-to guy on this team and he has to keep his head no matter how frustrated he gets. For Christs sake, he was going to the line with a chance to tie it with two free throws. I'd really like to know just what the hell go into him. I know he got hit hard in the face on the play, but he's got to keep his composure.

frustration that his team played like crap and gave up a huge lead.

[yavoon]

They go to Patterson for the last shot and he misses.

Again, that's Carmelo's shot to take and he wasn't there to take it. He shoudl be ****ing ashamed of himself.

This team is going nowhere. They'll win this lousy division, Utah lost tonight so their magic number is now 3. But the players on this team don't seem to have a heart between them. Somehow they seem to think they can coast down the stretch, they haven't put together 4 quarters of basketball since the San Antonio game.

Just pathetic.

it seems the entire nugget world revolves around effort. by reading these threads u'd get the impression that the nuggets are the best team in the league and they simply aren't trying.

[Clockwork Orange]

it seems the entire nugget world revolves around effort. by reading these threads u'd get the impression that the nuggets are the best team in the league and they simply aren't trying.

Go write a paper on all the people who give a **** about your opinion, yavoon. Shouldn't take long.

[RMT]

Giving up a 22 point lead is inexcusable. I didn't get to watch the game. What happened? Bad offense, bad defense, or a combination of the two in the 2nd half?

[yavoon]

Go write a paper on all the people who give a **** about your opinion, yavoon. Shouldn't take long.

write a paper on all the people who give a **** about my opinion? u mean like an unauthorized biography?

[yavoon]

Giving up a 22 point lead is inexcusable. I didn't get to watch the game. What happened? Bad offense, bad defense, or a combination of the two in the 2nd half?

or maybe u could ask what the clips did wrong in the first that they fixed in the second.

just a thought.

[RhymesayersDU]

it seems the entire nugget world revolves around effort. by reading these threads u'd get the impression that the nuggets are the best team in the league and they simply aren't trying.
It's just frustrating. Perhaps some of us are overvaluing the guys on this team, thinking that they're better then the are, but I don't think that's the case.

We've beaten all the elite teams in the league. Detroit. San Antonio twice. Miami twice. Dallas. Phoenix. We've proved we can hang with anybody. And then we come out and lose to ****ty teams, or we blow 22 point leads, etc.

If we can beat the best teams in the league (again, not just fluke games here or there, we've beaten them all) then it stands to reason we just aren't trying or caring when we play other teams.

[RMT]

or maybe u could ask what the clips did wrong in the first that they fixed in the second.

just a thought.

somebody is more negative than me :) ...

[Clockwork Orange]

Giving up a 22 point lead is inexcusable. I didn't get to watch the game. What happened? Bad offense, bad defense, or a combination of the two in the 2nd half?

At the risk of offending yavoon, it was effort. They played hard in the first half, they pushed the basketball at just about all times, even after made baskets by the Clippers. They cut to the basket, they made the extra pass, they set up a ton of easy looks. They shot 86% in the first half, had 26 assists and scored 77 points.

In the second half they were back to their old one guy dribbling, 4 guys standing and watching offense. This led to them settling for contested jumpers over and over and over. No one cutting, no movement, no passing, no scoring. They put up 32 points in the second half.

They played like Phoenix in the 1st half and like, well, themselves in the 2nd.

[yavoon]

It's just frustrating. Perhaps some of us are overvaluing the guys on this team, thinking that they're better then the are, but I don't think that's the case.

We've beaten all the elite teams in the league. Detroit. San Antonio twice. Miami twice. Dallas. Phoenix. We've proved we can hang with anybody. And then we come out and lose to ****ty teams, or we blow 22 point leads, etc.

If we can beat the best teams in the league (again, not just fluke games here or there, we've beaten them all) then it stands to reason we just aren't trying or caring when we play other teams.

I know the nuggets play a high energy style, and I think thats what is getting confused here. when the nuggets are playing their game they are running around and being crazy. when they get taken out of their game they no longer have those opportunities. but that does not translate into they aren't trying, thats just the other team imposing more of its will on denver.

I have never seen a nuggets game where it looks like they are dogging it. well maybe kenyon?

=D

[yavoon]

At the risk of offending yavoon, it was effort. They played hard in the first half, they pushed the basketball at just about all times, even after made baskets by the Clippers. They cut to the basket, they made the extra pass, they set up a ton of easy looks. They shot 86% in the first half, had 26 assists and scored 77 points.

In the second half they were back to their old one guy dribbling, 4 guys standing and watching offense. This led to them settling for contested jumpers over and over and over. No one cutting, no movement, no passing, no scoring. They put up 32 points in the second half.

They played like Phoenix in the 1st half and like, well, themselves in the 2nd.

so u say pretty much anytime the nuggets aren't winning by 20...

[Clockwork Orange]

or maybe u could ask what the clips did wrong in the first that they fixed in the second.

just a thought.

Do you actually watch the games? Or are you another box score analyst?

The Clippers didn't do a whole lot different in the 2nd half, unless they found a way to get the Nuggets players to stand still when they didn't have the ball in their hands. They were constantly moving in the 1st half, in the second they became spectators.

The Suns manage to play that style for 48 minutes every night, maybe they're just in a lot better shape than the Nuggets players. Either that or they're all committed to putting in the effort it takes to play that kind of up tempo style.

[Clockwork Orange]

so u say pretty much anytime the nuggets aren't winning by 20...

Your opinion on this subject will actually matter when you watch the games.

Any idiot can read stats, as you've shown us time and again.

[yavoon]

Do you actually watch the games? Or are you another box score analyst?

The Clippers didn't do a whole lot different in the 2nd half, unless they found a way to get the Nuggets players to stand still when they didn't have the ball in their hands. They were constantly moving in the 1st half, in the second they became spectators.

The Suns manage to play that style for 48 minutes every night, maybe they're just in a lot better shape than the Nuggets players. Either that or they're all committed to putting in the effort it takes to play that kind of up tempo style.

I dont think u can compare the nuggets to the suns. the suns are a poor-average defensive team with excellent fast break and half court offenses. the nuggets are a good defenisve team with a poor half court and good fast break offense. it doesn't play/isnt defended against the same. the suns play for open 3's the nuggets always play for going to the basket.

the nuggets are just like the last team that kenyon was on, the old nets.

[yavoon]

Your opinion on this subject will actually matter when you watch the games.

Any idiot can read stats, as you've shown us time and again.

which stat would that be?

[Clockwork Orange]

I dont think u can compare the nuggets to the suns. the suns are a poor-average defensive team with excellent fast break and half court offenses. the nuggets are a good defenisve team with a poor half court and good fast break offense. it doesn't play/isnt defended against the same. the suns play for open 3's the nuggets always play for going to the basket.

the nuggets are just like the last team that kenyon was on, the old nets.

I'm not comparing them to the Suns, I'm saying that they played like the Suns in the first half of the game. Constant motion, pushing the pace, sharing the ball, getting open looks, that's how Phoenix operates. They do it for 48 minutes every night. The Nuggets did it for 24. In the 2nd half they were the polar opposite.

The Nuggets are a poor-average defensive team on most nights, especially when it comes to perimeter defense. That's whay teams with several shooters (like the Clippers & Suns) give them fits. Camby does a good job of blocking/changing shots near the basket, but when it comes to stopping penetration or getting a hand up on the shooters, the Nuggets are abysmal.

People wonder why I was pining for Kiki to get Ron Artest. This is why.

[RhymesayersDU]

I know the nuggets play a high energy style, and I think thats what is getting confused here. when the nuggets are playing their game they are running around and being crazy. when they get taken out of their game they no longer have those opportunities. but that does not translate into they aren't trying, thats just the other team imposing more of its will on denver.

I have never seen a nuggets game where it looks like they are dogging it. well maybe kenyon?

=D
Well I think that's a fair point. That if an opposing team locks the Nuggets into a half-court game, the Nuggets can't really do much because the fact is they are not a good shooting team, no outside threat, etc.

Now you're right, that doesn't necesarily mean they're dogging it, but that the other team is attacking their weakness.

But at the same time, there were times tonight when they were jacking up terrible shots, not boxing out/crashing the boards, not giving 100% on defense, etc.

[RhymesayersDU]

I dont think u can compare the nuggets to the suns. the suns are a poor-average defensive team with excellent fast break and half court offenses. the nuggets are a good defenisve team with a poor half court and good fast break offense. it doesn't play/isnt defended against the same. the suns play for open 3's the nuggets always play for going to the basket.

the nuggets are just like the last team that kenyon was on, the old nets.
I wouldn't call the Nuggs a good defensive team. Average though.

[yavoon]

I'm not comparing them to the Suns, I'm saying that they played like the Suns in the first half of the game. Constant motion, pushing the pace, sharing the ball, getting open looks, that's how Phoenix operates. They do it for 48 minutes every night. The Nuggets did it for 24. In the 2nd half they were the polar opposite.

The Nuggets are a poor-average defensive team on most nights, especially when it comes to perimeter defense. That's whay teams with several shooters (like the Clippers & Suns) give them fits. Camby does a good job of blocking/changing shots near the basket, but when it comes to stopping penetration or getting a hand up on the shooters, the Nuggets are abysmal.

People wonder why I was pining for Kiki to get Ron Artest. This is why.

ron artest is a huge talent, its like TO if he dont blow up its a steal for anyone to have him. I would not be surprised if ron artest had one of the best point differentials in the entire league.

from what I remember artest is worth almost 5 pts defensively. which is enormous especially for a perim player. and he's probably worth a few offensively. not sure how much better than that u can do.

[Clockwork Orange]

ron artest is a huge talent, its like TO if he dont blow up its a steal for anyone to have him. I would not be surprised if ron artest had one of the best point differentials in the entire league.

He's really turned that Kings team around.

He was the perimeter defender that this team so sorely needed and Kiki failed to get it done, again. Seems like the last couple of years have been rife with stories of the deals that Kiki almost made.

[RhymesayersDU]

Speaking of ol Ron, I bought tickets to the Kings game tonight during halftime, just before the Nuggs blew it. Yeah, I don't want those 80 bucks back or anything...

Just kidding. It shall be fun. Can't wait for the playoffs, despite tonight's game.

[yavoon]

I wouldn't call the Nuggs a good defensive team. Average though.

ok, average it is. maybe if kenyon tried?

[RhymesayersDU]

He's really turned that Kings team around.

He was the perimeter defender that this team so sorely needed and Kiki failed to get it done, again. Seems like the last couple of years have been rife with stories of the deals that Kiki almost made.
This summer, it's shooting guard or bust. As long as the player's name doesn't start with "C" and end with "armelo" then I want whomever we can trade to be traded for a SG.

I'd possibly make Camby a keeper simply for rebounding/blocks/defense, but even that's a big maybe.

[Clockwork Orange]

ok, average it is. maybe if kenyon tried?

Ahh, Kiki's favorite mistake, Kenyon.

He doesn't do a whole hell of a lot, when he's actually in the lineup anyway. I think it's just peachy that they've got a deal with their max contract player to only play him 25 minutes per night.

On the flipside, he was sporting a pair of new tattoos on the backs of his arms tonight, so at least he's getting something accomplished this season.

[RhymesayersDU]

ok, average it is. maybe if kenyon tried?
Well the sad thing is, he's a great defender when he's in. Nobody can deny him that. Good hands, etc. But he doesn't always board, and he's not a great shooter.

He's a microcosom of the team in a lot of ways. When we're running, he's dunking, we're high energy, can't be beat. But when forced to do things like shoot the ball, we might as well be playing a different sport altogether.

[yavoon]

Well the sad thing is, he's a great defender when he's in. Nobody can deny him that. Good hands, etc. But he doesn't always board, and he's not a great shooter.

He's a microcosom of the team in a lot of ways. When we're running, he's dunking, we're high energy, can't be beat. But when forced to do things like shoot the ball, we might as well be playing a different sport altogether.

exactly, like the old nets.

[yavoon]

Ahh, Kiki's favorite mistake, Kenyon.

He doesn't do a whole hell of a lot, when he's actually in the lineup anyway. I think it's just peachy that they've got a deal with their max contract player to only play him 25 minutes per night.

On the flipside, he was sporting a pair of new tattoos on the backs of his arms tonight, so at least he's getting something accomplished this season.

call the knicks

[RhymesayersDU]

call the knicks
We tried.

[Clockwork Orange]

But he doesn't always board

That pains me the most about him. He & Camby could own the boards if Kenyon would hold up his end. Unfortunately, he doesn't box out and does a lot of standing and watching when the ball's in the air.

[Clockwork Orange]

call the knicks

I would have been happy to have Penny Hardaway and his expiring contract riding the Nuggets pine for the remainder of this season if it meant sending Kenyon to that suckhole Isiah Thomas has created in NY.

Unfortunately, chalk it up to yet another deal that Kiki almost made.

[RhymesayersDU]

That pains me the most about him. He & Camby could own the boards if Kenyon would hold up his end. Unfortunately, he doesn't box out and does a lot of standing and watching when the ball's in the air.
I agree to a point. I think that because the team has been built around a run run run mentality, that his priority is getting out and running. That goes for Carmelo just as much. He could be doing a lot more work on the boards.

I'm not giving Kenyon a pass by any means, but at the same time, part of our game is getting our athletic guys the ball in the open court for alley oops, easy points, etc, and he's part of that. But there are a lot of times you do catch him just watching. Now that is frustrating.

[yavoon]

I agree to a point. I think that because the team has been built around a run run run mentality, that his priority is getting out and running. That goes for Carmelo just as much. He could be doing a lot more work on the boards.

I'm not giving Kenyon a pass by any means, but at the same time, part of our game is getting our athletic guys the ball in the open court for alley oops, easy points, etc, and he's part of that. But there are a lot of times you do catch him just watching. Now that is frustrating.

the nuggets would be better off if they were better in the half court. its great to try and get easy points offensively, to push the tempo etc. but if ur BUILT to do that ur gna get stymied, a lot.

[Clockwork Orange]

I agree to a point. I think that because the team has been built around a run run run mentality, that his priority is getting out and running. That goes for Carmelo just as much. He could be doing a lot more work on the boards.

I'm not giving Kenyon a pass by any means, but at the same time, part of our game is getting our athletic guys the ball in the open court for alley oops, easy points, etc, and he's part of that. But there are a lot of times you do catch him just watching. Now that is frustrating.

You're absolutely right. Carmelo isn't giving the team much by way of rebounding (5 boards per game from someone with his size is poor) and that's something that he's got to improve upon.

[Clockwork Orange]

the nuggets would be better off if they were better in the half court. its great to try and get easy points offensively, to push the tempo etc. but if ur BUILT to do that ur gna get stymied, a lot.

That happens because they have no real shooters and that's Kiki's fault. That's been this teams biggest weakness for 2 years and he's done nothing to address it.

[RhymesayersDU]

the nuggets would be better off if they were better in the half court. its great to try and get easy points offensively, to push the tempo etc. but if ur BUILT to do that ur gna get stymied, a lot.
Preaching to the choir my man. Totally agree. That's not gunna happen until we find somebody to shoot from the outside. That would open things up for Melo and K-Mart, instead of having teams just clog up the middle like they do now.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's just frustrating. Perhaps some of us are overvaluing the guys on this team, thinking that they're better then the are, but I don't think that's the case.

We've beaten all the elite teams in the league. Detroit. San Antonio twice. Miami twice. Dallas. Phoenix. We've proved we can hang with anybody. And then we come out and lose to ****ty teams, or we blow 22 point leads, etc.

If we can beat the best teams in the league (again, not just fluke games here or there, we've beaten them all) then it stands to reason we just aren't trying or caring when we play other teams.

Denver's consistency will improve as far as Anthony's does.

He's made some serious strides this season, and there's no doubt that he will be able to make more next season. The whole Nugget world revolves around him on the floor, and its up to him to take things to the next level. That involves him taking over the locker room leadership role and getting that competitive fire to spread throughout the team so that they develop consistency at practice that translates into enforcing their will on everyone in the league.

[wolf754life]

way to get booted from the game, nice meltdown carmelo, the nuggets didn't need a tempertantrum at the end of the game, not in the clutch, not in the race for homecourt. Many say he has grown up, last night was a huge step backwards. The onus is on him, the nugs will win the first round, but they will lose in 5 to the suns.

sad sad, george karl needs to keep making excuses for these overpaid bums!

[Orange_Beard]

I gave up on the Nuggs the game before the all star break. A huge home blow out loss to the Suns.
No effort. Everyone stands around on O and watches Melo. No movement away from the ball. No one can shoot. No one execpt Melo, forces the defense to guard them.
Good teams rip them apart.

[BroncoBuff]

Totally agree. That's not gunna happen until we find somebody to shoot from the outside.
No one can shoot.
Wesley Person worked out beautifully last year .... and he's available!

[Orange_Beard]

Wesley Person worked out beautifully last year .... and he's available!


The player we are missing is the player that Skita was sold as, guy who could shoot. He tried to plug Lenord in, that did not work.

When they did not get a shooter at the deadline, I gave up.

[BroncoBuff]

That 4th quarter last night must've really been awful ...

[RhymesayersDU]

The player we are missing is the player that Skita was sold as, guy who could shoot. He tried to plug Lenord in, that did not work.

When they did not get a shooter at the deadline, I gave up.
Well to be fair, there were no shooters available at the deadline.

But if we don't get one this summer, next year is going to be more of the same.

[Orange_Beard]

Well to be fair, there were no shooters available at the deadline.

But if we don't get one this summer, next year is going to be more of the same.


Pretty much the same story as last off season.

[ro_50]

What did the Nuggets offered for Ron Artest?

Were they serious contenders for him?

If they had him, that would have been downright scary.

And what came of Julius Hodge? I know he's not a perimeter shooter but I saw him play throughout his college years and he was damn impressive.

I thought he was a steal but I know he went down to NBDL and then came back up, is he not as good as advertised or he's not ready yet for the NBA?

[bombay]

So the Nuggets had their highest scoring half of the season in the first half, and their lowest scoring half of the season in the second half.

Can you say schizoid?

[Master___Pain]

What did the Nuggets offered for Ron Artest?

Were they serious contenders for him?

If they had him, that would have been downright scary.

And what came of Julius Hodge? I know he's not a perimeter shooter but I saw him play throughout his college years and he was damn impressive.

I thought he was a steal but I know he went down to NBDL and then came back up, is he not as good as advertised or he's not ready yet for the NBA?

Hodge is just not ready coupled with the fact that Karl does not play rookies.. I don't remember what was offered to the Pacers for Artest...