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Lestat
03-31-2006, 05:14 PM
#15 Chad Jackson
#22 DeAngelo Williams
i'll cry with joy if this happens ;D
Clockwork Orange
03-31-2006, 05:15 PM
I'd be just fine with that.
JCMElway
03-31-2006, 05:21 PM
We also took Lelie in the first round. What makes Chad Jackson an upgrade over Lelie?
NFLBRONCO
03-31-2006, 06:09 PM
#15 Chad Jackson
#22 DeAngelo Williams
i'll cry with joy if this happens ;D
How often do experts get our pick right???????? So it means no to Jackson :).
WABronco
03-31-2006, 06:15 PM
We also took Lelie in the first round. What makes Chad Jackson an upgrade over Lelie?
It's not a matter of upgrading over Lelie. It's more finding someone to play with Lelie when Rod retires. Of course, we have to resign Lelie next year...
Do you want to go into '07-'08 with....ummmm......nobody?
Broncojef
03-31-2006, 06:44 PM
Why does everyone jump with glee at the hopes of landing Chad Jackson a guy who had 900 rcv yards last season and ran fast at the combine? I'd rather trade up, get a stud (Vernon Davis) and not watch another project that never develops. Jackson is way overhyped.
Lestat
03-31-2006, 07:22 PM
Jackson is a stronger version of Williamson, yeah he only had 900 yards but that was on 88 catches in a brand new offensive scheme
also when you factor in the level of competition he played in compared to say Lelie when he came out he's ahead of him, i'm not saying he's better than Lelie but his build allows him to be more physically ready than Lelie his rookie year & also allows him to hold up on blocks
another thing is the main thing we need out of a WR is over the middle & tough catches(whether he ducks out of bounds/slides afterwards or not)
i'd venture a guess he's atleast better than our current choices for #3
DBroncos4life
03-31-2006, 07:42 PM
Why does everyone jump with glee at the hopes of landing Chad Jackson a guy who had 900 rcv yards last season and ran fast at the combine? I'd rather trade up, get a stud (Vernon Davis) and not watch another project that never develops. Jackson is way overhyped.
The guy caught everything at the combine. Sure his 40 was nice but when every other WR is dropping passes and he is catching everything he will stick out.
Kaylore
03-31-2006, 10:50 PM
Why does everyone jump with glee at the hopes of landing Chad Jackson a guy who had 900 rcv yards last season and ran fast at the combine? I'd rather trade up, get a stud (Vernon Davis) and not watch another project that never develops. Jackson is way overhyped.
Jackson is the Alex Smith of Receivers this year. Talented, yes, but his high status is more a result of a lot of teams needing receivers and there being a dearth of them in the draft.
Clockwork Orange
03-31-2006, 10:51 PM
The guy caught everything at the combine. Sure his 40 was nice but when every other WR is dropping passes and he is catching everything he will stick out.
See Hagan, Derek.
ludo21
03-31-2006, 11:01 PM
Jackson is the Alex Smith of Receivers this year. Talented, yes, but his high status is more a result of a lot of teams needing receivers and there being a dearth of them in the draft.
yep
i personally just dont see much in Jackson, I hope we pass him up and grab Haas, Hagan, or Stovall later in the draft.
Rohirrim
03-31-2006, 11:02 PM
Funny how people look at things differently. I wouldn't take Chad Jackson in the first round. Of course, I wouldn't take any WR in this draft in the first round. I'd like Lendale at the first spot. Bunkley even more (but that's a pipe dream). Hell, I'd take Manny at that spot if he was the only one left. I'd take Lewis over Pope or DW. Man, people just love to fall in love with those juniors. I guess it's their "potential."
DBroncos4life
03-31-2006, 11:05 PM
yep
i personally just dont see much in Jackson, I hope we pass him up and grab Haas, Hagan, or Stovall later in the draft.
He has the size, he has the speed, and he does something that is very important for WRs to do, thats catch the ball. I think its unfair to say he sucks because the rest of the class is poor. If Sanders was coming out with a bunch of scrubs at DB does that mean he isn't worth drafting because he is the best of the scrubs? (note Im not saying he is as good as Deion)
ludo21
03-31-2006, 11:09 PM
He has the size, he has the speed, and he does something that is very important for WRs to do, thats catch the ball. I think its unfair to say he sucks because the rest of the class is poor. If Sanders was coming out with a bunch of scrubs at DB does that mean he isn't worth drafting because he is the best of the scrubs? (note Im not saying he is as good as Deion)
Very true, i just dont see much in him, thats just me. Maybe i have my rosy galsses on with Hagan, but i have to.
And i didnt say he sucks.
DBroncos4life
04-01-2006, 12:07 AM
Very true, i just dont see much in him, thats just me. Maybe i have my rosy galsses on with Hagan, but i have to.
And i didnt say he sucks.
I like Hagan as well, I was really high on him before he started dropping balls for whatever reason. Atleast with Jackson you get a guy that caught every ball pretty much going his way at the combine and I hear he has two working hands. LOL Jackson just came to the combine and put on a damn good show. .2% body fat, sub 4.4 speed, and ran good routes from what I read. Hes worth the risk IMO.
labronco
04-01-2006, 12:08 AM
Very true, i just dont see much in him, thats just me. Maybe i have my rosy galsses on with Hagan, but i have to.
And i didnt say he sucks.
are chad jackson + deangelo worth your avatar? that's the right question.
BritBronco Maniac
04-01-2006, 04:11 AM
I don't want C-Jack, but landing DW2 at 22 would make up for it
meangene
04-01-2006, 04:21 AM
I'm not a Jackson fan - I think he's a workout warrior and vastly over-rated because the draft is weak at WR. I'd rather look WR in Round 2 (Stovall, Avant). I like DWII a lot but think we have more pressing needs than RB (DL, TE). I could live with him at #22 but not coupled with Jackson at #15. That would leave all our biggest needs still out there with only one more first day pick.
RocBronc
04-01-2006, 05:13 AM
Maybe we could trade down a few spots and still get those 2 guys... However, I can't see us taking 2 offensive players with our 2 first round picks.
If you look at last years draft, Shanahan really targeted our team's glaring need with our first 3 picks and if you look at the team from last year the biggest problem was a lack of a pass rush... I just see Shanny using at least one of our 2 first round picks addressing that need... Which I think means either Hali or Kiwanuka with our pick at 22.
OrangeShadow
04-01-2006, 05:23 AM
maybe im alone on this but id hate that first
broncohaven
04-01-2006, 05:57 AM
maybe im alone on this but id hate that first
You're not alone.
Hercules Rockefeller
04-01-2006, 06:45 AM
maybe im alone on this but id hate that first
I'd hate the first pick. A running team with two decent WRs is not in dire straits when it comes to their WR corps. Wait until next year when you have guys who are 1st round picks because they're good, not because there's no one else.
NFLBRONCO
04-01-2006, 10:37 AM
I'd hate the first pick. A running team with two decent WRs is not in dire straits when it comes to their WR corps. Wait until next year when you have guys who are 1st round picks because they're good, not because there's no one else.
I agree 100%
Northman
04-01-2006, 10:40 AM
Why does everyone jump with glee at the hopes of landing Chad Jackson a guy who had 900 rcv yards last season and ran fast at the combine? I'd rather trade up, get a stud (Vernon Davis) and not watch another project that never develops. Jackson is way overhyped.
Totally, we need a go to TE. Everybody already forget about Antonio Gates or Heath Miller.
Play2win
04-01-2006, 11:27 AM
Totally, we need a go to TE. Everybody already forget about Antonio Gates or Heath Miller.
I like DW2 a hell of a lot.
This is what I would want in our first round:
DW2 and POPE
OR
Trade up for LEINART
OR
Trade up for Super Mario
SpringStein
04-01-2006, 12:18 PM
For the record, I'm a Jackson fan. (not that it matters!)
Broncoman13
04-01-2006, 12:24 PM
Funny how people look at things differently. I wouldn't take Chad Jackson in the first round. Of course, I wouldn't take any WR in this draft in the first round. I'd like Lendale at the first spot. Bunkley even more (but that's a pipe dream). Hell, I'd take Manny at that spot if he was the only one left. I'd take Lewis over Pope or DW. Man, people just love to fall in love with those juniors. I guess it's their "potential."
DeAngelo is going to be a star. Dude has got exceptional game. You're crazy if you wouldn't be thrilled to have him in Orange n Blue!
Play2win
04-01-2006, 12:31 PM
DeAngelo is going to be a star. Dude has got exceptional game. You're crazy if you wouldn't be thrilled to have him in Orange n Blue!
I would even goes as far as to say he is the one guy in the draft that has the greatest possibility to lead to more wins NEXT year. DW2, and or course. SUPER MARIO. Either of those guys, I believe would have the greatest impact for us.
Arkie
04-01-2006, 12:39 PM
After putting on a clinic at the combine, Jackson has blown people away with interviews in recent weeks.
That would be a very solid draft. Some people are saying that Williams is very similar to Emmitt coming out of school, size, build, and potential talent. You can't really complain about him. Jackson is the best of what looks like a very average WR class although I would compare him to the WR that came out of LSU a few years ago that TB drafted and Denver was in love with.
Billy Clyde Puckett
04-01-2006, 01:40 PM
Jackson is the best of what looks like a very average WR class although I would compare him to the WR that came out of LSU a few years ago that TB drafted and Denver was in love with.
I don't see that comparison. Clayton is a "strong receiver with excellent blocking skills" Jackson is more a pure speed guy.
Broncoman13
04-01-2006, 01:45 PM
Yeah, I don't see the comparison either... except for maybe size. I think Clayton was yet a little bigger though. I'm not in love with CJax but I wouldn't mind the pick either. Similar to us drafting DJ Williams a couple years ago. I wasn't thrilled or dissatisfied with the pick. Of course I wanted Clayton or Harris but DJ was a nice pick. This year I want Huff, Vernon, or Bunkley... if we end up with CJax and DeAngelo/Maroney I'll be all for it.
Jackson is about 6'1 210... Clayton is about 6'2 215... Jackson is just faster but both had about the same impact in college. Jackson is solid. He had a nice year last year. My only problem is I didn't see more of him in college... he is a little too Marcus Nash for my tastes.
I think we will be fine at HB even if we don't take D'Angelo and I think a WR like Jackson is more of a desperation pickup because I don't think any of the players coming out this year should grade higher then a low 1st round at best. None of them are complete or have enough experience. That is just my oppinion.
I would much rather trade up to get Super Mario. He is a guy you can build a defense around.
Rohirrim
04-01-2006, 05:40 PM
DeAngelo is going to be a star. Dude has got exceptional game. You're crazy if you wouldn't be thrilled to have him in Orange n Blue!
A knicked up 5'9" back who probably couldn't even be used in the red zone. Forgive me. ROFL!
Rascal
04-01-2006, 06:33 PM
Screw Chad Jackson and get Stovall or Hagan in the second round or later.
Play2win
04-01-2006, 06:58 PM
Jackson is about 6'1 210... Clayton is about 6'2 215... Jackson is just faster but both had about the same impact in college. Jackson is solid. He had a nice year last year. My only problem is I didn't see more of him in college... he is a little too Marcus Nash for my tastes.
I think we will be fine at HB even if we don't take D'Angelo and I think a WR like Jackson is more of a desperation pickup because I don't think any of the players coming out this year should grade higher then a low 1st round at best. None of them are complete or have enough experience. That is just my oppinion.
I would much rather trade up to get Super Mario. He is a guy you can build a defense around.
Yeah, I'm begining to be of the opinion, if we are targeting Jackson, or that is our likely pick, to me there IS bust posibilities, SCREW IT, trade that pick and our other 1st for Super Mario (or Leinart ;D)
I mean there is a chance Jackson wont perform to the level he is picked at. A good chance. So 'F it, trade up and get the real impact guy that is pretty darn close to a sure thing.
Instead of guessing on potential on a position like WR...
alien76
04-01-2006, 09:32 PM
I have been reading this board for a while now, but this is my first post! I am a huge broncos fan from Memphis and also a U of Memphis alum. D. Williams is freaking incredible!! He has seriously good field vision and hits the hole extremely quick. He has had a few injuries but nothing that would slow him down in the NFL. The Broncos need this guy...he is a star in the making. We need a serious playmaker on offense and this guy would provide that. Anyways, I have seen play alot through his 4 years as a tiger. I am biased but he his a legit star running back. Later!
Arkie
04-01-2006, 09:36 PM
Can you judge a WR class by where the first WR is taken? If so, this is the weakest WR class since Randy Moss came out in 1998.
3 Braylon Edwards
3 Larry Fitzgerald
2 Charles Rogers
13 Donte Stallworth
8 David Terrell
4 Peter Warrick
6 Torry Holt
16 Kevin Dyson (1998)
Requiem
04-02-2006, 10:37 AM
Yeah, I'm begining to be of the opinion, if we are targeting Jackson, or that is our likely pick, to me there IS bust posibilities, SCREW IT, trade that pick and our other 1st for Super Mario (or Leinart ;D)
I mean there is a chance Jackson wont perform to the level he is picked at. A good chance. So 'F it, trade up and get the real impact guy that is pretty darn close to a sure thing.
Instead of guessing on potential on a position like WR...
There are bust possibilities with every pick in the NFL Draft. The notion that you believe Leinart or Super Mario are sure things is incorrect.
Play2win
04-02-2006, 11:53 AM
There are bust possibilities with every pick in the NFL Draft. The notion that you believe Leinart or Super Mario are sure things is incorrect.
When I say sure thing, I mean sure as we will see in this draft. John Elway supposedly is about the only "Sure Thing" that ever came out of the draft.
And I understand why alot of people would disagree with me, but those two, in my mind, would be the surest of this draft for specifically the Broncos to take (if given the opportunity).
labronco
04-02-2006, 12:29 PM
We should be cautious of players that dart up the draft boards after combine. Chad Jackson is that player. I hope we don't pick him.
DeAngelo's stock dropped significantly after the combine. He was projected to be top 5 picks in many boards before the combine. If we pick him with our 22, I think it may be a bargain. I don't worry too much about us picking RB's anyway, even if I never heard of him. I have learned to trust our track records with RB's.
Vernon Davis is a player who was the consensus top player before the combine. This is a very good year for TE's, and I think you can't go wrong with guy like this. But he should not go top 5. There's just too much talent in there with premier positions.
IMO, there is a definite drop off after top 5. Bush, Leinart, Ferguson, Mario, and Hawk are as sure as it can get. They should be universal top five on everyone's boards. A dark horse is Vince Young, and I wouldn't bet against anybody who has balls to draft him in top 5.
There's a lot of smoke with first two picks, but with or without trades, they should belong to Bush and Leinart, with the premium in their respective positions.
I think if we can move up into top five, whoever it is, it will be gold.
If we hold on to our second first round, Shanny may tab a player no one has heard of. We should move up into top five and see who falls into our hands. If that doesn't happen, I am not opposed to trade, especially our 22 for a future 1 and this year's second.
SpringStein
04-02-2006, 12:50 PM
We should be cautious of players that dart up the draft boards after combine. Chad Jackson is that player. I hope we don't pick him.
And last year's player was Merriman. And we see how bad he was.
labronco
04-02-2006, 12:59 PM
And last year's player was Merriman. And we see how bad he was.
Not saying Chad Jackson's bad. I am saying we should not use 15th on him. I don't care who is the best out of Holmes, Moss, or Jackson.
This year's WR class is not great. Personally, I think Derek Hagan is the man, but hey, he didn't run so well on 40, so I guess he sucks, right?
Last year, LB class was hot not only with the talent at top, but also with all the 3-4 scheme changes going on around the league. I was a fan of Merriman before the combine, so i can't say anything bad about him.
Broncoman13
04-02-2006, 04:36 PM
Not saying Chad Jackson's bad. I am saying we should not use 15th on him. I don't care who is the best out of Holmes, Moss, or Jackson.
This year's WR class is not great. Personally, I think Derek Hagan is the man, but hey, he didn't run so well on 40, so I guess he sucks, right?
Last year, LB class was hot not only with the talent at top, but also with all the 3-4 scheme changes going on around the league. I was a fan of Merriman before the combine, so i can't say anything bad about him.
Hagan ran a 4.42... what exactly is wrong with that?
Clockwork Orange
04-02-2006, 06:35 PM
Hagan ran a 4.42... what exactly is wrong with that?
Nothing. Now if only he wasn't dropping passes at a rate that Darius Watts would find embarassing.
extralife
04-02-2006, 07:03 PM
Can you judge a WR class by where the first WR is taken? If so, this is the weakest WR class since Randy Moss came out in 1998.
3 Braylon Edwards
3 Larry Fitzgerald
2 Charles Rogers
13 Donte Stallworth
8 David Terrell
4 Peter Warrick
6 Torry Holt
16 Kevin Dyson (1998)
And if you take a look at those players, you're not painting a very good picture. Here's how it goes:
Don't know yet, but looks good
Super star
Always injured, probably a bust
Inconsistent, mediocre
Bust
Bust
Super star
Bust
I don't like those odds.
Play2win
04-02-2006, 08:03 PM
And if you take a look at those players, you're not painting a very good picture. Here's how it goes:
Don't know yet, but looks good
Super star
Always injured, probably a bust
Inconsistent, mediocre
Bust
Bust
Super star
Bust
I don't like those odds.
I hope you have to edit your post and turn one of those "Busts" into a "Superstar" in the near future... ;)
Bronco9798
04-02-2006, 08:05 PM
How could you be a bust playing in the Bears offense for a couple of years when you have horrible QB's throwing the ball to you. Or, trying to throw the ball to you.
Liebs
04-02-2006, 08:11 PM
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/asu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/69245.jpeg
next rod smith
Michael Clayton is 6' 4" 215lbs.
labronco
04-02-2006, 08:36 PM
http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/asu/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/69245.jpeg
next rod smith
Derek Hagan! He does remind you of someone, doesn't he?
why did deangelo's stock fall after the combine?
labronco
04-03-2006, 11:38 PM
why did deangelo's stock fall after the combine?
because of his height, partly due to his "average" 4.5/40.
because of his height, partly due to his "average" 4.5/40.
didnt he run faster than that at his proday though?
Killericon
04-04-2006, 12:04 AM
I like Deangelo...I dont like Jackson.
broncohaven
04-04-2006, 06:23 AM
RB at #15 is not going to happen. Bunkley is the man we should be after, even if we have to get in front of the Browns to do it. I think DT is priority #1 on this team, and Bunk is the perfect compliment to Warren. Warren is more of the clogger, and Bunk the penetrator. Bunkley with the first pick would give us tremendous flexibility with the rest of the draft.