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SoCalBronco
03-29-2006, 06:57 PM
Date: Mar 29, 2006

As the scouting process moves into the final phase as teams travel to the final few pro-days and pare down draft boards. Here's the latest on Haloti Ngata, Charles Gordon, Jerious Norwood as well as what the Jets, Bears and Eagles are up to.

Oregon defensive tackle Haloti Ngata has received some bad press recently. Some are now saying NFL scouts question the big man's motor. Others have Florida State's Brodrick Bunkley as the top rated defensive tackle heading towards the draft. Yet none are looking at the entire picture. To say Ngata's post-season performances have been uninspired is justified yet to leave it at that is not telling the whole story. Two years ago Ngata lost his father in a tragic car accident. Sadly, two months ago Ngata unexpectedly lost his mother to kidney failure. The loss of his mother was sudden, as she had not been terribly sick for a long period. As one would expect, the 21-year old has been in the dumps after losing both his parents over the course of two-years. His support team and workout partners have tried to keep Ngata's spirits high, though no one can blame the big-man for being down. Scouts understand the situation and the recent talk of Ngata falling down boards is just that, talk. Charles Gordon is garnering a wide range of opinions from franchises with teams grading him anywhere from an early second round choice all the way to a late second day. Besides the New England Patriots another team zeroing in on the Kansas All American has been the San Francisco 49ers. A team with a lot of need, the Niners are giving serious consideration to using their pick in round two on Gordon then using him at cornerback, wide receiver and as a return specialist. After an average pro-day last week sources have told us Vince Young's recent workouts have not been all that much better. Young has been experiencing many of the same problems throwing NFL-type passes during individual workouts. The hope is Young will quickly improve and be ready by the middle of April, when several more teams will work him out individually. Another Longhorn experiencing problems is Jon Scott. We documents how ill-prepared Scott was going into his pro-day workout last week. Now comes word of his uncooperativeness. Seems the tackle from Texas would not workout in a group setting prior to the combine and wants to go it alone. Also a problem is Scott seems more concerned about life after football then the immediate future, which has some wondering about his dedication to the sport. This does not bode well for Scott who could fall out of the first day. Jerious Norwood of Mississippi State has been a player moving up charts recently. At his pro-day last week several teams were showing plenty of interest with some franchises setting up dates to bring the speedy skill player into their venues. The Chicago Bears, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Atlanta Falcons are all very high on Norwood with just about all planning to use the college running back at wide receiver. The Bears have been very active with another player, Miami-Ohio linebacker Terna Nande, who they feel would be a solid fit as a weak-side player in Lovie Smith's defense. Rice had their pro-day earlier this week and John Syptak worked out well for scouts. The college defensive end weighed 253-pounds and ran a 4.7 in the forty. Fifteen teams were on hand including the Cincinnati Bengals who sent most of their defensive staff and the Chicago Bears, who also worked out Syptak at fullback. That same day scouts made their way to Texas Southern University, working out linebacker Frederick Brock. Both New York teams were on hand with the Jets saying Brock would be a good fit on the inside for the 3-4 alignment they plan on installing next season.

http://nfldraft.scout.com/2/514564.html

Rohirrim
03-29-2006, 07:07 PM
I just hope there are enough teams who don't believe in Haloti that he drops to us at 15. Haloti and Marcedes? Holy shiite! That's worth two bottles of Dom.

broncohaven
03-29-2006, 08:40 PM
What is with these over hyped TE's? Marcedes in the first round? get a grip. There isn't a TE outside of Vernon Davis who is anything but a reach in the first.

I'd do back flips if Haloti was there at #15. Then I'd probably take Kiwi or Lawson at #22 and forget the worries sacks for awhile.

SpringStein
03-29-2006, 08:47 PM
What is with these over hyped TE's? Marcedes in the first round? get a grip. There isn't a TE outside of Vernon Davis who is anything but a reach in the first.

I'd do back flips if Haloti was there at #15. Then I'd probably take Kiwi or Lawson at #22 and forget the worries sacks for awhile.

Haven, I'm with you on the TE situation. IMO, the answer, if we want a TE early, is to trade down to upper/middle 2nd round.

I believe Lawson is a guy who the Broncos will target - and maybe at 15.

NFLBRONCO
03-29-2006, 08:56 PM
Haven, I'm with you on the TE situation. IMO, the answer, if we want a TE early, is to trade down to upper/middle 2nd round.

I believe Lawson is a guy who the Broncos will target - and maybe at 15.


I agree SS I expect it to be Lawson or Wimbley at 15 if they go DL.

broncohaven
03-29-2006, 08:59 PM
Haven, I'm with you on the TE situation. IMO, the answer, if we want a TE early, is to trade down to upper/middle 2nd round.

I believe Lawson is a guy who the Broncos will target - and maybe at 15.
I like Lawson a lot, and if Haloti and Bunkley are gone he's a real consideration. If Vernon Davis is still on the board around #10, I would expect the Broncos to be on the phone.

Play2win
03-29-2006, 09:30 PM
I'm not buying into all the Vernon Davis Hype. I haven't seen him do it in the games. BUT, I haven't seen but a few games he was in. Still seeing is believing. Is he the next Ben Watson or Ben Troupe...

I'm sure he will be good, but not top 10 good. I'm not buying DAVIS being a top 10 pick. AT ALL.

broncohaven
03-29-2006, 09:34 PM
I'm not buying into all the Vernon Davis Hype. I haven't seen him do it in the games. BUT, I haven't seen but a few games he was in. Still seeing is believing. Is he the next Ben Watson or Ben Troupe...

I'm sure he will be good, but not top 10 good. I'm not buying DAVIS being a top 10 pick. AT ALL.
Right, you're too busy buying Leinart as the best overall prospect in the draft. Between Leinart and Davis only one will change the way theei position is played, and I'll give you a hint. It won't be Leinart.

SoCalBronco
03-29-2006, 09:36 PM
Right, you're too busy buying Leinart as the best overall prospect in the draft. Between Leinart and Davis only one will change the way theei position is played, and I'll give you a hint. It won't be Leinart.

Leinart, will, however revolutionize the art of clipboard holding in the NFL.

BTW, I think Davis is good and an off the charts athlete but I think you are underrating Marcedes Lewis and Leonard Pope by calling them secnod round talents. I think Lewis is the best TE in the draft and Pope is definitely worthy of a first round pick.

Play2win
03-29-2006, 09:40 PM
There is a good chance VD will get eaten up if he plans on playing a TE position in the NFL...

Now if he would ever try making a transition to WR, thats a whole different story...

want2bAbronco2
03-29-2006, 10:03 PM
I think Lewis is the best TE in the draft and Pope is definitely worthy of a first round pick.


I agree, and would be stoked to get either TE.... I don't think VD is worth a top 20 at all. My friend watched him play on TV and in a few games and said he did nothing special, and he is just a work out freak. If he was so gifted, why didn't he tear up NCAA?

Clockwork Orange
03-30-2006, 01:41 AM
If Ngata fell out of the top 10, I'd immediatly get on the phone with St. Louis at 11 and see what it'd take to move up four spots. Grab Ngata to pair up with Warren and then Kiwanuka at 22 to rush off the edge. Our D-line would no longer be a concern.

broncohaven
03-30-2006, 05:20 AM
If Ngata fell out of the top 10, I'd immediatly get on the phone with St. Louis at 11 and see what it'd take to move up four spots. Grab Ngata to pair up with Warren and then Kiwanuka at 22 to rush off the edge. Our D-line would no longer be a concern.
I definitely handle that. If we could land Haloti it would be sick. I worry that Kiwi has a high bust quotient, but you have to love his talent. I think there's a chance that Hali will be there at #22, and if he were I would take him over Kiwi.

Lewis is probably the most polished TE in the draft. I love his hands, but he's a terrible blocker and doesn't seem all that willing. He's slower than most DE's, and his wonderlic was woeful. None of that suits our offense. Pope is the same story, but he doesn't have the hands. He also doesn't run routes like Lewis.

bendog
03-30-2006, 08:35 AM
I can't see Ngata falling from the top 10

BritBronco Maniac
03-30-2006, 09:45 AM
Ngata is locked in at no.8 to Buffalo IMO

Drek
03-30-2006, 11:08 AM
I definitely handle that. If we could land Haloti it would be sick. I worry that Kiwi has a high bust quotient, but you have to love his talent. I think there's a chance that Hali will be there at #22, and if he were I would take him over Kiwi.

Lewis is probably the most polished TE in the draft. I love his hands, but he's a terrible blocker and doesn't seem all that willing. He's slower than most DE's, and his wonderlic was woeful. None of that suits our offense. Pope is the same story, but he doesn't have the hands. He also doesn't run routes like Lewis. 1. Pope's wonderlic was above a 12, since I've seen the scores for the players scoring around there or below, and he wasn't listed, as best I can remember.

2. Pope ran in the 4.6's at the combine.

3. Pope was one of the best looking TEs in combine recieving drills, and has some good college numbers to argue against your arguement that he can't catch.

Every TE in this draft has some sort of question. Davis is clearly the top guy, but Lewis and Pope aren't chopped liver. They're first round level talents, even if one of the two could well be available early in the second.