OT Teacher calls student the "n" word

[Boobs McGee]

There were a few emotions involved in this one for me. Disbelief, anger, humor....I think this 40 year old white guy was just trying to fit in somehow. Using a racial slur is NOT the way to do it.

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You can't help but laugh incredulously when this guy starts using the word ****a in different situations.

He was suspended (a very miiiiild punishment in my opinion, you need to have respect if you're teaching kids), but continues to teach.

[brncs_fan]

As someone currently in a teacher education program, I can tell you that he is lucky to have a job. With the gigantic push in education right now for diversity and awareness, anyone caught using the n-word, regardless if it has the "A" or "ER" ending, would be looking for a new place of employment.

[Garcia Bronco]

You know...when somwone makes a mistake...I think that person is obligated to make up for it in equal measure. What that is...I don't know...I don't think in this case he deserves to be canned for that. Now if he demonstrates the same action again...it's a behavior and not suitable for him to be teaching impressionable children. But the throw out the baby with the bathwater mentality is over-played IMO.

[Boobs McGee]

My initial reaction was pretty cut and dry. Fire him. Then, I started questioning why I felt so strongly that way, and I watched the video a couple more times.

According to him, he wasn't doing it with malicious intent, so that brings into question (imo) the severity of the punishment.

I do agree that his judgement was SEVERELY off here, because he shouldn't have been using that kind of language as a Teacher in ANY school related situation. THAT raises the question of whether or not it was an honest mistake or some internal decision that he's going to make again.

Im curious to see what the "other" incidences were, that we didn't get a chance to hear about from the video

[Crushaholic]

I know some black people call each other a "****A" as a term of endearment, but it seems to lose the innocent context when a white guy says it...

[Tha rock]

hell no he should be fired as a puerto rican person i hate racists not many in cali but ive been to some country places and ive heard beaner and spic it really gets me going damn it i hate racists.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I was about to take the teachers side, but he really made an ass of himself in that interview.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I know some black people call each other a "****A" as a term of endearment, but it seems to lose the innocent context when a white guy says it...


This is what I don't get.

[Swedish Extrovert]

From what I understand, the kid called the teacher the word first, showing lack of respect, and the teacher mimmicked the student.

Im sure in highschool if I would have, for example, walked into a classroom, and said "Get away from the door, b*tch" and the teacher replied "Sit down b*tch" it would have gone unnoticed.

[ludo21]

From what I understand, the kid called the teacher the word first, showing lack of respect, and the teacher mimmicked the student.

Im sure in highschool if I would have, for example, walked into a classroom, and said "Get away from the door, b*tch" and the teacher replied "Sit down b*tch" it would have gone unnoticed.

id have laughed if that went down. :~ohyah!:

[GonzoLays]

During the period when slavery was practiced in the United States and England, and for several decades thereafter, it was a standard, casual English term for black people. The word has since become associated with White Supremacy, and the powerlessness of non-whites in such a system, rendering it a potentially powerful pejorative and abusive term when used by white people to describe non-white people. Today, many people associate white people who use the term with racists and racist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood.

[GonzoLays]

From what I understand, the kid called the teacher the word first, showing lack of respect, and the teacher mimmicked the student.

Im sure in highschool if I would have, for example, walked into a classroom, and said "Get away from the door, b*tch" and the teacher replied "Sit down b*tch" it would have gone unnoticed.


You don't strike me as a guy the went to a school in a very tough neighborhood. Or do prep school allow kids to call their teacher bitches.

[Boobs McGee]

I just can't help laughing when he starts going off about how he emphasizes with the H.


What a crazy asshole. The fact that there is a black woman interviewing him makes the whole thing even more jaw dropping to me. I hope she ripped him a new asshole off camera after his little ebonics session.

[ro_50]

The kids in the classroom heard the teacher say the "N" word first, not the student.

[Swedish Extrovert]

You don't strike me as a guy the went to a school in a very tough neighborhood. Or do prep school allow kids to call their teacher b****es.


I'll you the exact neighborhood... Willow Springs- Morrison/Littleton - Colorado.... Dakota Ridge high school. A public high school just like any other. I went to an Academy my freshman year, and after much pleading with my parents, I went to public highschool from then on.

"During the period when slavery was practiced in the United States and England, and for several decades thereafter, it was a standard, casual English term for black people. The word has since become associated with White Supremacy, and the powerlessness of non-whites in such a system, rendering it a potentially powerful pejorative and abusive term when used by white people to describe non-white people. Today, many people associate white people who use the term with racists and racist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood."

**** the white supremcists. Seriously **** them. Tell me why African Americans use this word? Its a double standard, and in my opinion is hindering the progression of African Americans own civil rights.

In the Navy, you get kicked out for using this word no matter who you are or what context its in. THe contriversy came in a bar with a person in my workcenter, there was an altercation between a Black male and White female. Long story short, the Black male called the female "White Trash" and the female retaliated with "N*gger." Guess who got OTH SEP and guess who got off scott free?

[nwmsu-bronco]

I just can't help laughing when he starts going off about how he emphasizes with the H.


What a crazy a-hole. The fact that there is a black woman interviewing him makes the whole thing even more jaw dropping to me. I hope she ripped him a new a-hole off camera after his little ebonics session.

Well it's obvious they did that to make it more interesting. But I mean, if the kid didn't say it first that's one thing, but if he did then he is just as much to blame. The fact that black people defend the word for their use is preposterous. If that word is to not be used then set an example by not using it. I'ts that simple. The teacher does not seem like a racist. Now go ahead and bash me and call me a racist or something because I have a different view. I'm sure it's coming.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I just can't help laughing when he starts going off about how he emphasizes with the H.


What a crazy a-hole. The fact that there is a black woman interviewing him makes the whole thing even more jaw dropping to me. I hope she ripped him a new a-hole off camera after his little ebonics session.

You could tell she was uncomfortable with the guy. Off the subject, that guy definitley is a kook.

[baja]

I think the guy is a nurdy guy just trying to be (In his mind) cool. It happens.

[No1BroncoFan]

Tell me why African Americans use this word? Its a double standard, and in my opinion is hindering the progression of African Americans own civil rights.
Smurf makes a good point here? Why does any group of people take something they consider to be the supreme insult and use it "harmlessly" amongst themselves? It makes no sense to me. I also don't understand why we have to differentiate types of Americans. African Americans, Asian Americans, Latin Americans, etc... etc... ad infinitum. Does that make me a European American? Or should I go further to Anglo/German American? Why can't we all just be Americans and stop all the devisive bullsh*t?

Ben

[GonzoLays]

In the Navy, you get kicked out for using this word no matter who you are or what context its in. THe contriversy came in a bar with a person in my workcenter, there was an altercation between a Black male and White female. Long story short, the Black male called the female "White Trash" and the female retaliated with "N*gger." Guess who got OTH SEP and guess who got off scott free?

But you see white people cannot use the term "****er" due to the fact white people oppressed black people for well over 400 years. The only reprocutions black people got out of being the white man's mule for that time is the fact that white people can no longer call them ****ers in any context. The word ****er has too much history and association with evil for it to be an appropriate term to use.

The black guy called the girl white trash; he didn't call her "cracka trash" or "honky trash" which are far more offensive terms. If the white girl had called the black guy "black trash" it would have been fair play. One slightly offensive term to offset another slightly offensive term. White trash does not have much meaning to it and is therefore is not as offensive as the word ****er. Now if white people had been oppressed for 400 years by the black man and the term the black man would use is "pick that cotton white trash" you MIGHT have a case but alas you don't.

[Garcia Bronco]

From what I understand, the kid called the teacher the word first, showing lack of respect, and the teacher mimmicked the student.

Im sure in highschool if I would have, for example, walked into a classroom, and said "Get away from the door, b*tch" and the teacher replied "Sit down b*tch" it would have gone unnoticed.


If that's the case then they should both be suspended and the student should be suspended longer IMO.

[Garcia Bronco]

But you see white people cannot use the term "****er" due to the fact white people oppressed black people for well over 400 years. The only reprocutions black people got out of being the white man's mule for that time is the fact that white people can no longer call them ****ers in any context. The word ****er has too much history and association with evil for it to be an appropriate term to use.

The black guy called the girl white trash; he didn't call her "cracka trash" or "honky trash" which are far more offensive terms. If the white girl had called the black guy "black trash" it would have been fair play. One slightly offensive term to offset another slightly offensive term. White trash does not have much meaning to it and is therefore is not as offensive as the word ****er. Now if white people had been oppressed for 400 years by the black man and the term the black man would use is "pick that cotton white trash" you MIGHT have a case but alas you don't.

A racial slur is a racial slur..."white trash"...it doesn't matter because in every instance the thought process is the same. It's all or none in this case. Either all racism is bad or it's not. Splitting hairs only means conflict and disagreement when there are more constructive things to do.

[No1BroncoFan]

A racial slur is a racial slur..."white trash"...it doesn't matter because in every instance the thought process is the same. It's all or none in this case. Either all racism is bad or it's not. Splitting hairs only means conflict and disagreement when there are more constructive things to do.
Amen!

Ben

[Tombstone RJ]

During the period when slavery was practiced in the United States and England, and for several decades thereafter, it was a standard, casual English term for black people. The word has since become associated with White Supremacy, and the powerlessness of non-whites in such a system, rendering it a potentially powerful pejorative and abusive term when used by white people to describe non-white people. Today, many people associate white people who use the term with racists and racist organizations like the Ku Klux Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood.

Golly gee whiz, thanks for the history lesson Gonzo. Did you write that all by yourself or did you copy from a history book?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

F--k your couch.... n-word

[Tombstone RJ]

But you see white people cannot use the term "****er" due to the fact white people oppressed black people for well over 400 years. The only reprocutions black people got out of being the white man's mule for that time is the fact that white people can no longer call them ****ers in any context. The word ****er has too much history and association with evil for it to be an appropriate term to use.

The black guy called the girl white trash; he didn't call her "cracka trash" or "honky trash" which are far more offensive terms. If the white girl had called the black guy "black trash" it would have been fair play. One slightly offensive term to offset another slightly offensive term. White trash does not have much meaning to it and is therefore is not as offensive as the word ****er. Now if white people had been oppressed for 400 years by the black man and the term the black man would use is "pick that cotton white trash" you MIGHT have a case but alas you don't.

Wow, what an astute observation. Thanks again teach.

[Taco John]

He's not racist... This is stupid.

He definitely should have chosen his words better, but whether black people like it or not, the word "****a" is sneaking its way into white culture, and they've only their own culture to blame for it. So long as black artists want to capitalize on the word in their music, they're going to continue to expose younger generations to it and the word is going to take on its own meaning.

I live in the United Nation of neighborhoods, and I hear these kids using the word nearly every day, just like I used the word "dude" as a kid. These kids aren't being racist. They're just being mimics.

[GonzoLays]

A racial slur is a racial slur..."white trash"...it doesn't matter because in every instance the thought process is the same. It's all or none in this case. Either all racism is bad or it's not. Splitting hairs only means conflict and disagreement when there are more constructive things to do.

In the context of the situation MightySmurf was referring to the thought process was not the same. If the black guy had called the white girl cracka or honkey then you could categorize that as a offensive racial term. What does white trash mean anyway? White trash con notates poor and unclean and someone who possibly sports a mullet (male or female) and wears shirts with the Tasmanian devil on it. I would not call that offensive or a racial slur. Now what does ****er mean? ****er has been associated with the direct oppression of a certain race of people. A demeaning and vile word used to lord over and demean while at same time reinforces the belief that white people were the "superior" race. ****er and white trash are on two completely different levels. Sort of like calling someone "homely" and "that is one ugly bitch." One term is far more offensive than the other.

[Tombstone RJ]

I was just with some African-American co-workers and they used the term ****a like it was nothing. Its becoming so obsurdly overused that I don't think most black people think twice about using that term.

But, now, if an idiot like that white teacher does the same thing, all hell breaks loose and all of a sudden, blacks are being oppressed again.

I don't used the word, I've never used the word, and I will never use the word. And with that being said, I think its a bunch of hypocritical BS that blacks use the word like its going out of style...

[Taco John]

Has anyone seen the program "Black. White."

It should be renamed to "Stupid Black and White People."

I've never seen such a bunch of powerless dolts in all my life... And the black woman on that show is a flat out racist. The white parents... just plain stupid people with absolutely no class or couth .

[Tombstone RJ]

In the context of the situation MightySmurf was referring to the thought process was not the same. If the black guy had called the white girl cracka or honkey then you could categorize that as a offensive racial term. What does white trash mean anyway? White trash con notates poor and unclean and someone who possibly sports a mullet (male or female) and wears shirts with the Tasmanian devil on it. I would not call that offensive or a racial slur. Now what does ****er mean? ****er has been associated with the direct oppression of a certain race of people. A demeaning and vile word used to lord over and demean while at same time reinforces the belief that white people were the "superior" race. ****er and white trash are on two completely different levels. Sort of like calling someone "homely" and "that is one ugly b****." One term is far more offensive than the other.

Your splitting hairs. Were you in the mind of the black guy when he made the remark "white trash"? Do you know what he meant? Are you telling all of us you were there and know what he was referring to, specifically, when he uttered those words?

Fact is, you don't know what he meant.

If it wasn't a racial slur, why say "white" trash? Why not just call her trash?

Hmmm.

[No1BroncoFan]

In the context of the situation MightySmurf was referring to the thought process was not the same. If the black guy had called the white girl cracka or honkey then you could categorize that as a offensive racial term. What does white trash mean anyway? White trash con notates poor and unclean and someone who possibly sports a mullet (male or female) and wears shirts with the Tasmanian devil on it. I would not call that offensive or a racial slur. Now what does ****er mean? ****er has been associated with the direct oppression of a certain race of people. A demeaning and vile word used to lord over and demean while at same time reinforces the belief that white people were the "superior" race. ****er and white trash are on two completely different levels. Sort of like calling someone "homely" and "that is one ugly b****." One term is far more offensive than the other.
If you can't see a racial slur for what it is you're either stupid or being intentionally obtuse in favor of your point of view. I'm betting on both. Don't bother to reply, you're joining Bob.

Ben

[loborugger]

In the context of the situation MightySmurf was referring to the thought process was not the same. If the black guy had called the white girl cracka or honkey then you could categorize that as a offensive racial term. What does white trash mean anyway? White trash con notates poor and unclean and someone who possibly sports a mullet (male or female) and wears shirts with the Tasmanian devil on it. I would not call that offensive or a racial slur. Now what does ****er mean? ****er has been associated with the direct oppression of a certain race of people. A demeaning and vile word used to lord over and demean while at same time reinforces the belief that white people were the "superior" race. ****er and white trash are on two completely different levels. Sort of like calling someone "homely" and "that is one ugly b****." One term is far more offensive than the other.


You make some nice leaps there to make one kind of name ok and the other evil.

For example. ****er reinforces the superiority whites over blacks. However, I have never heard anyone (white, black, brown, etc) use the term "white trash" for someone they felt was their equal.

A slur is a slur is a slur. Just because - in your mind - one term is less offensive, doesnt make it non-offensive, or a polite term. The long & short of it is this.... slurs have been around since the beginning of language and will always exist.

[gunns]

I know some black people call each other a "****A" as a term of endearment, but it seems to lose the innocent context when a white guy says it...

I know a lot of black people that don't like the blacks using it even in that context. They feel it's a slight to those that fought against a white society that used it so freely. It shouldn't be used in any context.

I think the teacher kept his job because it's a profession that's losing a lot of people. Underpaid for such an important job.

[GonzoLays]

He's not racist... This is stupid.

He definitely should have chosen his words better, but whether black people like it or not, the word "****a" is sneaking its way into white culture, and they've only their own culture to blame for it. So long as black artists want to capitalize on the word in their music, they're going to continue to expose younger generations to it and the word is going to take on its own meaning.

I live in the United Nation of neighborhoods, and I hear these kids using the word nearly every day, just like I used the word "dude" as a kid. These kids aren't being racist. They're just being mimics.


That vile and oppressive word is used out of ignorance by both races. Black people were called ****er for so long that is what they thought they were -- ****ers. They would refer to each as ****ers because they were conditioned by the white slave master through repeatedly calling them that word. It was passed on by generation by generation. How were they to know better? They were not taught to read or write only pick cotton. Ignorance was bred and reinforced. It was only 40 years ago that black people were truly afforded the opportunity to remove the stigma of being a ****er in this society. Many of these rappers grandparents still used the word because thats is what they thought they were. It is going to take a lot longer than half a century to educate the masses on why that word was used and the meaning of it. Most don't even know.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I didn't realize that the fact that I think that n*gger is taken too seriously.... or at least there is a double standard would be come such a catylist.

Must be why I only roam on the War, Rleigion and Politics forum.

[Tombstone RJ]

I didn't realize that the fact that I think that n*gger is taken too seriously.... or at least there is a double standard would be come such a catylist.

Must be why I only roam on the War, Rleigion and Politics forum.

Yep, your one badass Gangsta.

[jebures]

He's not racist... This is stupid.

He definitely should have chosen his words better, but whether black people like it or not, the word "****a" is sneaking its way into white culture, and they've only their own culture to blame for it. So long as black artists want to capitalize on the word in their music, they're going to continue to expose younger generations to it and the word is going to take on its own meaning.

I live in the United Nation of neighborhoods, and I hear these kids using the word nearly every day, just like I used the word "dude" as a kid. These kids aren't being racist. They're just being mimics.

I totally agree with this statement... I have even had a black person call me ****A and IM WHITE. It is just becoming part of our culture like Taco said.

[Swedish Extrovert]

Black guys have called me that word.

I agree with you and TJ..... but the teacher really did make himself look like a tool.

[broncohaven]

What does white trash mean anyway? White trash con notates poor and unclean and someone who possibly sports a mullet (male or female) and wears shirts with the Tasmanian devil on it. I would not call that offensive or a racial slur.
If it wasn't a racial slur, the word "white" wouldn't be necessary. And are you a white girl and therefore an authrority on what she might construe as offensive?

[Pat Bowlen]

Yep, your one badass Gangsta.
Well yeah, he's in the Navy.

[cutthemdown]

I'm so sick of people caring about a stupid word. Not to mention blacks continue to use the word, glorify it in song, say it to each other, but god forbid it come from the mouth of the man. Any communication to another person that is meant to emotionaly harm, disturb, inflict emotional distress should be treated with the same degree. In HS it's probably more hurtfull nowdays to be called things much worst then the N word. I doubt if a black teacher called a white kid something anyone would even care. Having said that what and the hell was that teacher thinking calling that student the LORD VOLDOMORT of words, the word that cant be said, if your white!!!!!!

[rbackfactory80]

Has anyone seen the program "Black. White."

It should be renamed to "Stupid Black and White People."

I've never seen such a bunch of powerless dolts in all my life... And the black woman on that show is a flat out racist. The white parents... just plain stupid people with absolutely no class or couth .

I cant stand the real black guy. He walks around with a chip on his shoulder and expects everybody to be racist when in reality it is his attitude that is making people treat him like an ass. I understand racism is very common but if you walk around like a jerk and always expect it you never know someones true intentions.

[listopencil]

hell no he should be fired as a puerto rican person i hate racists not many in cali but ive been to some country places and ive heard beaner and spic it really gets me going damn it i hate racists.



I live up here in northern California, in a small town of about 6,000. Racism seems to grow on trees like everything else in these parts. I look like Average Joe The White Guy so I get to hear a lot of it as most of those chicken****s wouldn't dare spew out that trash around anyone else. The teacher seemed like someone who just made a really stupid mistake. I don't know, it seems like an English teacher should know better. He could just be making crap up to avoid being fired.



On second thought, I do remember a couple of White Prider Nazi types running their mouths about a block away from my house. They got their asses handed to them right across the street from me. Funny stuff.

[listopencil]

... Most don't even know.


Wow. You are so full of ****.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I dont use the word but no one ever has a probem when a black person calls a white person a cracker. I realy dont care what they say even when they dont know they are bieng over heard but the simple fact is that when a minority feels they have been insulted a whole **** load resolves. I realy have no pitty and i have several friends of black, latino, and asian desents. I try to not involve another race in humor but they have no problem relating it to us, sorry for this post but a bit drunk and just not happy.

[Cleo McDowell]

Gonzo...
i think you are just wasting your breath or your keystrokes.
I have debated with a many non-minorities at work, play and on these message boards but its just plain and simple: 99 percent of white americans (non-minorities) will never understand the minority struggle and/or the minority viewpoint, no matter how we try to express ourselves.

I am not a racist. i do not seek favoritism, nor special privledges. I am a young professional in a field dominated by white jewish men and if an opportunity passes me up i will never claim racism.

now that thats said,

chink, gook, ****a, spick, will ALWAYS be more damaging than honkey.

tell me, has any white person ever been enraged to the point of fighting, hurt to the point of crying or whatnot after being called a HONKEY?


funny discovery: the n-word is is not allowed in text just as a curseword but all of the others are just as they are. LOL

[baja]

I think it is a riot that people think they must use the phrase "The N word" when discussing the word niger it self and all the social implications of the word. I mean it is such a high social foo paa that you can't even name the word you are discussing. What the hell is this world coming to.

[Orange_Beard]

What a goofy ****.

[TexanBob]

Reminds me of the white Washington D.C. employee who was fired for using the word n-i-g-g-a-r-d-l-y. Which, if you don't know, is a word of Scandinavian origin that means "cheap or miserly". Yet, because it *sounded* like the N-word, they fired him anyway.

Some of my best friends are ****ardly.

[GreatBronco16]

Wait, I thought the black people where the first to call themselves by the word negro, or negra, and that they themselves were the ones selling their own race as slaves to the white man.

Honestly I really don't care. Nobody here today was around during the slave days and whatnot. Most of your black people in the US today did not come here via Africa. I do not call, nor does the government consider me a European/Scottish American, so why in the hell should people born in this country be considered something other than an American? I just don't get it. I guess if you have something in front of the word American, you get special offers and whatnot from the government. Hell, one of my close friends who is a black man, age 54, calls himself an American. He says he has never been to Africa, and he doesn't know of anyone in his family that was either born there or that has ever been there.

ok, I'm done.

[watermock]

Yet when a Black says "Cracker" noone blinks.

why in the hell should people born in this country be considered something other than an American?

I'm offended if i'm not called German/American. I'm getting tired of the race card.

That's why Mencina and the wayward Chapelle are funny. People need to lighten up.

[watermock]

they themselves were the ones selling their own race as slaves to the white man.


Don't bother with the truth.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Paradox: we all have problems with gays of any color! but then that is not a issue of race, it's one of preference/lifestyle. It's too easy to judge!!!

[Northman]

I was just with some African-American co-workers and they used the term ****a like it was nothing. Its becoming so obsurdly overused that I don't think most black people think twice about using that term.

But, now, if an idiot like that white teacher does the same thing, all hell breaks loose and all of a sudden, blacks are being oppressed again.

I don't used the word, I've never used the word, and I will never use the word. And with that being said, I think its a bunch of hypocritical BS that blacks use the word like its going out of style...


Definitely. As for Gonzo's accusation that " White Trash " is not a offensive word that is BS too. I happen to find that very offensive but society doesnt lookout for whites who are on the other end of racism. Racism is racism and it doenst flow just one way, some blacks are just as racist as some whites.

[fontaine]

There are too many uptight people around taking offense at the drop of a hat.

Some of my friends have called me ni**a even though I'm not black, and they just said it in a joshing/joking kinda way. I didn't take offense because there was no offense intended.

Too many freakin' people are hung up on semantics and throw context out the window. To me, I can't say whether the teacher was being offensive of not, simply because I wasn't there. But what I do find offensive is if a person loses their job over a misunderstanding.