Chad Jackson at 15 [Archive] - The Orange Mane - a Denver Broncos Fan Community

Elway777

03-26-2006, 05:32 PM

Crushaholic

03-26-2006, 05:42 PM

elsid13

03-26-2006, 05:51 PM

Does Todd Devoe get ANY respect around here?:rofl:

nope. What going to be really funny when the Front office picks defense line and safety help in the first. And don't pick a reciever until the 4th. Then watch the board react.

BlitzingDog

03-26-2006, 06:32 PM

I think it will be C-Jack too. I don't think anyone would go nuts if we didn't draft a WR early, but when you have a chance to take C-Jack when you want a WR then do it.

NFLBRONCO

03-26-2006, 06:47 PM

I think it will be C-Jack too. I don't think anyone would go nuts if we didn't draft a WR early, but when you have a chance to take C-Jack when you want a WR then do it.

Your draft crazy :) I was a DE DT or FS round 1 guy a few months ago. Then I thought we really need to address offense sooner or later. So WR is more appealing early we need to ugrade a few areas pretty bad. If it is Jackson it will be the first time Denver talked to a player they plan on drafting in round 1. Denver is too tight lipped to already spread we want Jackson at 15.

Drek

03-26-2006, 07:00 PM

Unless this is the first year with no sliders I don't see us taking Jackson. 15 is an ideal spot to wait for a slider and I think thats just what we're going to do. Worst case scenario, yeah, we take Jackson, Deangelo Williams, someone like that, but otherwise we're in prime position to grab the best player available.

phibacka31

03-26-2006, 10:15 PM

I have threee guys that I hope slip. First is Vernon Davis. He is a onster, and he is what we need not a WR, right away. Don't get me wrong, i like c-jack alot, but would rather have VD. Take someone like stovall, hass, hagen, williams, gennings, in the later rounds for WR. Next is Ngata, I would lLOVE to have another big body ion the middle, he would instantly help our dline. Last is Bunkly, same as Ngata:strong:

yavoon

03-26-2006, 10:27 PM

I'm not a fan of this. rather get leonard pope at 15, or vernon davis at 5

Lestat

03-26-2006, 11:15 PM

15 is way too high for Pope, but Jackson is about right for #15

if we get VD though i'd be one happy camper

BroncoInferno

03-27-2006, 08:59 AM

I'm not a fan of this. rather get leonard pope at 15, or vernon davis at 5

Pope will probably be available @ 22. Trading both firsts to move up for Vernon would be fine by me. A 253 TE with 4.37 speed? Good lord, how do you match up with that?

Requiem

03-27-2006, 10:23 AM

Yeah, Jackson at #15 is like sex. Mmm, gravy.

yavoon

03-27-2006, 11:58 AM

Pope will probably be available @ 22. Trading both firsts to move up for Vernon would be fine by me. A 253 TE with 4.37 speed? Good lord, how do you match up with that?

maybe maybe not. if he's worth 15 I'd take him at 15. trying to squeeze value w/ metagame strategy is too risky.

BroncoInferno

03-27-2006, 12:34 PM

maybe maybe not. if he's worth 15 I'd take him at 15. trying to squeeze value w/ metagame strategy is too risky.

I actually agree with you here. Some people were crying about DWill at the end of the 2nd last season because a couple of 'experts' gave him a mid 3rd round grade...well, we had a late 3rd rounder. Plus, it came out later that SD was prepared to pick him a couple of spots later. So, if we had tried to get cute and move back, we probably would have missed out on him. If you like a guy, take him. Don't dick around. With that said, there may be players @ 15 who rate higher than Pope. We'll see.

yavoon

03-27-2006, 12:43 PM

Drek

03-27-2006, 01:18 PM

I actually agree with you here. Some people were crying about DWill at the end of the 2nd last season because a couple of 'experts' gave him a mid 3rd round grade...well, we had a late 3rd rounder. Plus, it came out later that SD was prepared to pick him a couple of spots later. So, if we had tried to get cute and move back, we probably would have missed out on him. If you like a guy, take him. Don't dick around. With that said, there may be players @ 15 who rate higher than Pope. We'll see.
The Pats were also supposedly interested in Williams in the 2nd.

I'm not opposed to overpicking if the FO sees a guy as the only way to get talent at a position. I think thats how the FO saw last year's draft, we needed a major DB overhaul and saw the three we took as top talent at the position. Our guys turned out pretty well there.

Someone like Len Pope at 15 though I wouldn't be so fond of. I think he's better than Lewis, Byrd, Fasano, Day, and Klopfenstein, but not enough to justify the 15th pick. 22nd is probably a slight overpick on Pope, but he's worth it there for his exceptional physical attributes. If he can't be had at 22 though, or if the FO just rates him as a lot closer to the rest of the class than I personally do, it wouldn't surprse me to see us wait on TE until round 2. Someone like Fasano would be real nice in the late second if you ask me. :)

yavoon

03-27-2006, 02:14 PM

The Pats were also supposedly interested in Williams in the 2nd.

I'm not opposed to overpicking if the FO sees a guy as the only way to get talent at a position. I think thats how the FO saw last year's draft, we needed a major DB overhaul and saw the three we took as top talent at the position. Our guys turned out pretty well there.

Someone like Len Pope at 15 though I wouldn't be so fond of. I think he's better than Lewis, Byrd, Fasano, Day, and Klopfenstein, but not enough to justify the 15th pick. 22nd is probably a slight overpick on Pope, but he's worth it there for his exceptional physical attributes. If he can't be had at 22 though, or if the FO just rates him as a lot closer to the rest of the class than I personally do, it wouldn't surprse me to see us wait on TE until round 2. Someone like Fasano would be real nice in the late second if you ask me. :)

its not so much overpicking that I dont mind(I do mind it) its that I dont mind disagreeing with the punditry. if shannahan simply has a player rated higher than the consensus is I have no problem taking him where he's rated rather than hoping no1 else has him rated like that and he will squeak down.

BritBronco Maniac

03-27-2006, 03:47 PM

I'd like to play the Paul Tovessi card here.

He generally had a 5-7th round projection, Shanny liked him and took him in the 2nd.
Remind me again how that worked out?

watermock

03-27-2006, 04:03 PM

I'd like to play the Paul Tovessi card here.

He generally had a 5-7th round projection, Shanny liked him and took him in the 2nd.
Remind me again how that worked out?

That was the era of picking injured turds high...I hated the Toviessi pick...he had bad knees and projected no higher than a 4th at best. . Middlebrooks had a broken ankle, and Deltha was just a return man who would get a few picks but had a huge ego problem and lazy.

The Lobster Claw can't seem to catch, and Lelie, altho good fly routes, isn't a complete reciever that is sharpe Ha! On his breaks and can't or doesn't go off the middle on calls.

We have had some real doozies. I'm not going to go back and look at the history...it's not pretty. Dorsett Davis in the 3rd. MoC.

This draft is important to keep the window open in the future. Draft day trades are generally a bad deal to move up.

eddie mac

03-27-2006, 04:28 PM

nope. What going to be really funny when the Front office picks defense line and safety help in the first. And don't pick a reciever until the 4th. Then watch the board react.

As long as it was Bunkley I couldn't care less about the rest of the draft.

DomCasual

03-27-2006, 06:02 PM

I'd like to play the Paul Tovessi card here.

He generally had a 5-7th round projection, Shanny liked him and took him in the 2nd.
Remind me again how that worked out?
The jury's still out. I think he still has some upside! :)

SoCalBronco

03-27-2006, 07:01 PM

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Requiem

03-27-2006, 07:47 PM

He's probably the big guy we disagree on. I don't think he's soft at all.

Broncojef

03-27-2006, 08:14 PM

Atlas

03-28-2006, 03:12 AM

I think the Broncos will draft Jackson at 15 .I think the Broncos want to find someone to replace Smith and be a 3 down receiver. I also think the Broncos will de with the 22 pick but would love Pope,White or DW2 .

I like Holmes more than Jackson but that would be cool if Denver went Jackson at 15 and Pope at 22.

The offense would definately get a boost.

Although I like the thought of Kiwi at 22 and then taking Joe Klopfenstein in the second round.

fontaine

03-28-2006, 04:21 AM

Jackson has done absolutely nothing other than perform at the combine. Overhyped. I would much rather use both picks to acquire a stud like Mario or Vernon Davis. I would much rather see us take Hagan in later rounds.

Thank you for that post of clarity. Every year, especially in a weak class, everyone is hoping for someone to step up in the combine just so they can shoot 'em up the draft boards. Jackson is overhyped and overated. I couldn't see him going in the first round in other years but this weak a$$ class of WRs just made him millions of dollars.

I've had enough of project WRs with good measurables. Draft TE/DL/S for the first round.

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-28-2006, 05:06 AM

I am nervous about Holmes the same way I am wary of Lawson - the Carl Wafer effect. He was single covered all year while Ginn was doubled. Just being paranoid.

Arkie

03-28-2006, 05:18 AM

nope. What going to be really funny when the Front office picks defense line and safety help in the first. And don't pick a reciever until the 4th. Then watch the board react.

I wouldn't mind waiting until the 2nd day to address the WRs and use every pick on WR. Half of these Day 2 guys don't make the team. It seems like WRs are the best 2nd day gamble anyway, and all of them will be beginning their careers at a higher position than Rod Smith did. Surely, Rod will take one of them under his wing and they'll work hard to be like Rod Smith.

That covers WR, and we can use all of our Day 1 picks for other needs.

Atlas

03-28-2006, 05:23 AM

I wouldn't mind waiting until the 2nd day to address the WRs and use every pick on WR. Half of these Day 2 guys don't make the team. It seems like WRs are the best 2nd day gamble anyway, and all of them will be beginning their careers at a higher position than Rod Smith did. Surely, Rod will take one of them under his wing and they'll work hard to be like Rod Smith.

That covers WR, and we can use all of our Day 1 picks for other needs.

Denver needs to draft a couple of OL too.

BroncoInferno

03-28-2006, 07:28 AM

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Why do you think he's soft, SoCal? Most analysis I've read on him states just the opposite, that he is tough and will go accross the middle and take a hit.

Atlas

03-28-2006, 08:00 AM

He's probably the big guy we disagree on. I don't think he's soft at all.

He isn't soft at all. All he did last year was run slants across the middle. That's why his YPC wasn't very good.

SoCalBronco

03-28-2006, 06:33 PM

Why do you think he's soft, SoCal? Most analysis I've read on him states just the opposite, that he is tough and will go accross the middle and take a hit.

2004 Peach Bowl game.

BroncoInferno

03-29-2006, 06:40 AM

2004 Peach Bowl game.

Is it just from this one game sample? That's been two seasons ago. I'm not saying you're wrong, I haven't seen him enough to know, it just seems your take is the exact opposite of what most are saying, and I'm curious to know the specifics of how you formulated your opinion.

SpringStein

03-29-2006, 08:25 AM

I'd be very happy with Chad. If you saw much of him this season, you would see that it wasn't simply the workouts.

Williams

03-29-2006, 09:10 AM

Here's a nice little highlight clip. Just click the link with Chad Jackson.

http://www.gatorzone.com/insidefootball/?sub=av&page=highlights

I personally, love the receivers with some size... and as fast as he is...

Just imagine our receiver corps with Lelie, Devoe, and Jackson (having run a 4.32 40). We would have some serious burners.

Unless somehow Bunkley, Ngata, Young or (miraculously) Davis slip to #15, and barring a trade up, I would be very happy to see him stay in the blue and orange.