What could John Elway do with the current team?

[baja]

Hey it's off season.

How would the receivers fare?

Would Putz still be here?

Would Watts and Ashlie be stars now?

[yavoon]

200-0

[baja]

Would this team with Elway be better than the 97/ 98 teams?

[JCMElway]

Would this team with Elway be better than the 97/ 98 teams?

Um, no.

[Jason in LA]

With Elway, this team wouldn't be better than the Super Bowl teams of '97 and '98, but this team would win the Super Bowl.

[Garcia Bronco]

We would win a double Super Bowl...not back-to-back...but a double. We would beat both teams from the NFCCG...as well as all teams in the divisional rounds.

[DBroncos4life]

We would win a double Super Bowl...not back-to-back...but a double. We would beat both teams from the NFCCG...as well as all teams in the divisional rounds.
Come on dude you forgot to say at the same time.

[GonzoLays]

Elway had a tremendous amount of talent around him when he won those two Super Bowls. Just compare the roster of those two teams to the one that went to the AFC championship last season.

RB Terrell Davis VS Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell
FB Howard Griffith VS Kyle Johnson
TE Shannon Sharpe VS Jeb Putizer
WR Ed McCaffery VS Ashley Lelile
WR Younger Rod Smith VS Older Rod Smith
T Gary Zimmerman VS Matt Lepsis
C Younger Tom Nalen VS Older Tom Nalen
TE Dewayne Carswell VS Stephen Alexander

Elway played with three possible hall of famers in Sharpe, Davis, and Zimmerman.

Plummer has played with an older Rod Smith and a bunch of developing players.

I don't think Elway could have won a Super Bowl with the team we had last year.

[Smiling Assassin27]

He'd be the Denver Broncos' version of Tedy Bruschi.

[DBroncos4life]

Elway had a tremendous amount of talent around him when he won those two Super Bowls. Just compare the roster of those two teams to the one that went to the AFC championship last season.

RB Terrell Davis VS Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell
FB Howard Griffith VS Kyle Johnson
TE Shannon Sharpe VS Jeb Putizer
WR Ed McCaffery VS Ashley Lelile
WR Younger Rod Smith VS Older Rod Smith
T Gary Zimmerman VS Matt Lepsis
C Younger Tom Nalen VS Older Tom Nalen
TE Dewayne Carswell VS Stephen Alexander

Elway played with three possible hall of famers in Sharpe, Davis, and Zimmerman.

Plummer has played with an older Rod Smith and a bunch of developing players.

I don't think Elway could have won a Super Bowl with the team we had last year.
I think he could have. While the O might be different just having Elway would make MA/Bell better. It also would MAKE teams fear Lelie. The D we have now is better even without the pass rusher that we seem to be missing.

[fontaine]

Elway simply being on the field would have changed the whole way defenses gameplan for us.

Right now, defenses are content stack the box, throw more tight coverage towards Rod and let Lelie go deep because Plummer isnt' asked to take risks and throw the ball long.

With Elway he was best at using his velocity on short to intermediate routes and did an excellent job of getting the ball into the right spot even if the WR was off in his route. That's why team so covet a guy with a cannon.

Basically Putz/Lelie would come into their own and we would have more matchups to exploit instead of just run, run, run, safe pass to Rod.

[RhymesayersDU]

Back in '84, John Elway could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.

[listopencil]

Elway could throw a football through an operating carwash without it getting wet.

[listopencil]

Elway could throw a porkchop past a gang of hungry dogs.

[listopencil]

Elway could throw a football so hard that it would stop a WR's heart, killing him instantly. Then Elway would just look hard at the WR and he would come back to life and finish his route.

[Rock Chalk]

With Elway, this team wouldn't be better than the Super Bowl teams of '97 and '98, but this team would win the Super Bowl.
Is this a Elway current or Elway in his prime question?

Because I dont think we would win 8 games with Elway in his current shape.

[listopencil]

Elway once threw a ball so fast that it broke the time barrier and struck down Amelia Ehrhart's plane, killing her. She only stayed dead because she wasn't running a pattern. That's why they should allow women in pro football.

[listopencil]

Is this a Elway current or Elway in his prime question?

Because I dont think we would win 8 games with Elway in his current shape.


Elway only gives the appearance of feebleness with age so as not to embarrass Dan Marino and Joe Montana.

[barters]

Great thread! I think the same as someone else said on here, they would win the Super Bowl but not be as good as then '97 '98 team.

That Pittsburgh game would've been very, very different.

[Arkie]

Are we talking about a 14" Elway or a regular sized Elway? The mini-Elway would make the game more interesting.

[broncosteven]

Arkie beat me to it! I was going to post: An 18" Ditka would destroy the NFL all by himself.

[backup qb]

Let's face it Elway could beat God in football game. Wait a minute, are Elway and God one and the same? Hmmmm...........

[baja]

I think he could have. While the O might be different just having Elway would make MA/Bell better. It also would MAKE teams fear Lelie. The D we have now is better even without the pass rusher that we seem to be missing.

I agree that Lelie would a much bigger thread with John tossing the ball and that alone would have been a huge difference maker. Not to mention John's ability to read the field so much better than Jake. He did not see open receivers quite often since he has been here.

[baja]

Well it's better than another TO thread...

[12th man]

Well it's better than another TO thread...
what would Elway do with TO? throw a million td's then biatch slap him?

[Sir Mawn]

Because of expansion and free agency, I don't think it's fair to compare the 97 and 98 team to the current team. It takes less talent to win now than it did then.

Considering we got to the AFC Championship Game with Jake, I'm pretty sure John would've won it for us last year.

[Sir Mawn]

Of course there was free agency then but that 97-98 team was the last true dominant team the NFL ever saw, IMO. Free agency was still a relatively new concept too.

[12th man]

Of course there was free agency then but that 97-98 team was the last true dominant team the NFL ever saw, IMO. Free agency was still a relatively new concept too.
the patriots were pretty dominant. I mean winning three SB's, but our 97-98 team would monkey stomp them.

[watermock]

http://www.armageddononline.net/image/250px-Tunguska01.png

One time Teddy Bruchi and Elway collided. The result was obvious.

[12th man]

http://www.armageddononline.net/image/250px-Tunguska01.png

One time Teddy Bruchi and Elway collided. The result was obvious.
what the hell is that?

[yavoon]

Of course there was free agency then but that 97-98 team was the last true dominant team the NFL ever saw, IMO. Free agency was still a relatively new concept too.

yah ur full of ****. thanks for playing though.

[baja]

yah ur full of ****. thanks for playing though.

And you were doing so well too.

[yavoon]

And you were doing so well too.

yah I know, this line of reasoning is one of my pet peeves. I've seen it used in everything.

[Jason in LA]

Elway had a tremendous amount of talent around him when he won those two Super Bowls. Just compare the roster of those two teams to the one that went to the AFC championship last season.

RB Terrell Davis VS Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell
FB Howard Griffith VS Kyle Johnson
TE Shannon Sharpe VS Jeb Putizer
WR Ed McCaffery VS Ashley Lelile
WR Younger Rod Smith VS Older Rod Smith
T Gary Zimmerman VS Matt Lepsis
C Younger Tom Nalen VS Older Tom Nalen
TE Dewayne Carswell VS Stephen Alexander

Elway played with three possible hall of famers in Sharpe, Davis, and Zimmerman.

Plummer has played with an older Rod Smith and a bunch of developing players.

I don't think Elway could have won a Super Bowl with the team we had last year.


Like I said before, the '97 and '98 teams would have been clearly better, but Elway would have still won with this team. If you think that a great QB like Elway could not have made the difference on a team that made it to the AFC title game, then you are saying that no QB could have helped this team win two more games.

Elway would of had less talent to work with, but he would have played against teams that had overall less talent.

I don't think there is any question that Elway would have won with t his team.

[Jason in LA]

Is this a Elway current or Elway in his prime question?

Because I dont think we would win 8 games with Elway in his current shape.

That's like asking if the Colts could finally win it if Johnny U (in his current state) was the QB instead of Peyton Manning.

I just assumed it meant Elway during his playing days.

[Jason in LA]

Let's face it Elway could beat God in football game. Wait a minute, are Elway and God one and the same? Hmmmm...........

Everybody knows God is black. :afro:

[Arkie]

Who would win?

1998 Broncos w/Jake
vs.
2005 Broncos w/John

[STBumpkin]

'98 broncos/Jake, TD and pass protection/blocking would make the difference.

[Rock Chalk]

what the hell is that?
Pictures of the Tunguska blast in Siberia in 1908

[STBumpkin]

plus I think the universe would collapse in on itself if young and old Rod and TN were to meet

[Arkie]

'98 broncos/Jake, TD and pass protection/blocking would make the difference.

I don't know. TD wouldn't be as good. Elway to Lelie would be lethal, and Plummer would throw a pick to Champ.

[Jason in LA]

Who would win?

1998 Broncos w/Jake
vs.
2005 Broncos w/John

You had to go and ask that one. I'm stumped. I can't even think right.

I'll put it like this. If that team can blow teams out with Bubby Brister at QB, then they'd beat damn near anybody. So I'd have to say the '98 Broncos with Plummer. Just too much talent. Not many weaknesses, if you'd even call them weaknesses. If your weakest position is CB, with Crockett and Gorden, then you must be pretty damn good. Crockett was a borderline Pro Bowl player, and Gorden was decent/good on this team.

[azbroncfan]

The Oline back then vs the Oline now isn't close, that was a very dominant Oline especially 97 team with Zim and stink on the left and habib and Jones on the right.

[TomServo]

F_ the O line...

a young elway made sammy winder and the three amigos look good. took them to 3 SBs

imagine payton gump and those 80's elway teams.----"daddy i have no edge and no marvin harrison"_ and i cant run
when bronco fans forget what a special thing we had in elway..........i pity them.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Everybody knows God is black. :afro:

Elway is not black!

[azbroncfan]

F_ the O line...

a young elway made sammy winder and the three amigos look good. took them to 3 SBs

imagine payton gump and those 80's elway teams.----"daddy i have no edge and no marvin harrison"_ and i cant run
when bronco fans forget what a special thing we had in elway..........i pity them.

Well you're a moron if you can't understand the concept of it starts up front. It help elway had a ton of time to throw, and besides we are comparing 98 to now.

[listopencil]

He would strap them on his back and take them to the SuperBowl like he did with every halfway decent team we had when he was here.

[listopencil]

I don't know. TD wouldn't be as good. Elway to Lelie would be lethal, and Plummer would throw a pick to Champ.


Quoted for truth.

[phisig150]

Unless he can preasure the qb or pick up the blitz not really intrested. Atwater or Mecklenberg on the other hand hmmmm.

[Atlas]

Hey it's off season.

How would the receivers fare?

Would Putz still be here?

Would Watts and Ashlie be stars now?

Well, the running game isn't as good now as when Davis was here, The TE play isn't as good now as when Elway played and the WRs now aren't as good when Elway played.

The defense is alot better though. It's a tough call on how good this team would be.

[TomServo]

Well you're a moron if you can't understand the concept of it starts up front. It help elway had a ton of time to throw, and besides we are comparing 98 to now.

scuse me if i didnt undestand your rules of time and space. O-line? the man only took more sacks than marino and peyton gump combined. toss out his rookie year and he only represented the broncos in 1/3rd of the superbowls in his time.

as i said. i pity the people that dont comprehend what a gift he was to us.

also elway vs. hurricane elway? tossup

[gunns]

Elway had a tremendous amount of talent around him when he won those two Super Bowls. Just compare the roster of those two teams to the one that went to the AFC championship last season.

RB Terrell Davis VS Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell
FB Howard Griffith VS Kyle Johnson
TE Shannon Sharpe VS Jeb Putizer
WR Ed McCaffery VS Ashley Lelile
WR Younger Rod Smith VS Older Rod Smith
T Gary Zimmerman VS Matt Lepsis
C Younger Tom Nalen VS Older Tom Nalen
TE Dewayne Carswell VS Stephen Alexander

Elway played with three possible hall of famers in Sharpe, Davis, and Zimmerman.

Plummer has played with an older Rod Smith and a bunch of developing players.

I don't think Elway could have won a Super Bowl with the team we had last year.

We would have definitely been in the SB and yes, without a doubt Elway could have beaten that Seattle team. Teams would have planned differently with Elway in there and please, this stuff about Rod is what's getting old. His stats were right on last year.

[TomServo]

wrap your lil 'up front' brain around that. almost every third superbowl had elway in it. three of them w/out shanny and TD.

[extralife]

Elway would win Super Bowls with this team because of the defense. The offense wouldn't be as good as '97, '98, but it'd be good enough, that's for damn sure.