Vanderjadt signs with the Cowboys

[PortisFanForever]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/03/23/vanderjagt.cowboys/index.html

Wonder who the Packers are gonna go after now

[12th man]

another dome for the most overrated kicker ever.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Another asshole on a team full of assholes.

[BMF Bronco]

another dome for the most overrated kicker ever.
not a dome, theres a hole in the roof.

[ND Bronco Fan]

Good..........Pats should not have let Vinny go now they will get stuck with Paul Edinger, whose on their knees now about their front office? Got tired of hearing about that the last 3-4 years.

[ludo21]

Good move by the Boys, i guess they are sick of firing kickers each week.

[baja]

We should sign our punter that is on the practice squad and trade him to NE

[PatsWin2002]

I am relieved by the news. We didn't want him here.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

vanderjerk and TO on the same team ROFL!

[DBroncos4life]

I think the Packers are looking at Josh Brown now. I think he would only cost them a 7th round pick.

[Arkansas Bronco]

vanderjerk and TO on the same team ROFL!
LOL

[Dr. Broncenstein]

They ought to paint a large sphincter around the hole in that stadium... it would be so fitting

[Crowpointer]

Edinger is visiting the Packers so that looks less likely. Atlanta is putting the full court press to resign Todd Peterson. I guess it's time to do research on the world league kickers. Belichick has a ranking on every player in the NFL. My friend today told me (who has a reliable source in Foxboro) that Vinatieri wasn't among the top 10 Kickers of all 32 in the league based on Belichicks rankings, including kickoffs ect...and that is why no franchise and/or top free agent money. They wanted to keep him but not pay him the top if he wasn't ranked there. Can you imagine Belichick wearing his grey hooded sweatshirt in his office at 1:00 in the morning like some mad scientist working on some giant player ranking board. It's enough to put a smile on my face that he's on my side.

[BroncoFiend]

not a dome, theres a hole in the roof.

And there are plenty of aholes under the roof

[BroncoInferno]

The Boys' Offseason of Douchebaggery continues.

[PatsWin2002]

Can you imagine Belichick wearing his grey hooded sweatshirt in his office at 1:00 in the morning like some mad scientist working on some giant player ranking board. It's enough to put a smile on my face that he's on my side.


Unless he faked the whole thing and let Bonnie decide. Ha!

[yavoon]

vinatieri is getting pretty massively overrated.

[24champ]

what would be funny is if the pats signed cortez.......

[epicSocialism4tw]

vinatieri is getting pretty massively overrated.

That's what happens when your team hangs around enough to win and your play regularly puts them over the top.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The Cowpokes have a pretty nice looking roster. They need an offensive line though.

You have to wonder how they are affording these goobers. Do they have any cap left?

[yavoon]

The Cowpokes have a pretty nice looking roster. They need an offensive line though.

You have to wonder how they are affording these goobers. Do they have any cap left?

no way they have any cap left. if ur a real team u gotta be efficient with ur cap and everyone knows that means sign THEM BROWNS!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

After Vanderjagt, they still have somewhere near 6-8 million left. Draft picks aside, probably still near 5-6 million for more FA signings.

[PatsWin2002]

vinatieri is getting pretty massively overrated.

Yeah, he's cashing in BIG TIME. He was "our guy" so this totally blows....especially landing in Indy and no obvious replacement yet.

The guy hit all the big ones. That kick against Oakland in the snow is the #1 kick of all time IMO.

[Tredici]

vinatieri is getting pretty massively overrated.

You must have pretty high standards for kickers. Or maybe in the school of they are unimportant.

Vinatieri has been nothing but solid and now he moves into a Dome for the majority of his games? Should keep him "overrated" for some time into the future.

[yavoon]

You must have pretty high standards for kickers. Or maybe in the school of they are unimportant.

Vinatieri has been nothing but solid and now he moves into a Dome for the majority of his games? Should keep him "overrated" for some time into the future.

well he's never been statistically great. his career is made off of like 5 kicks. now its great that he made those 5 clutch kicks and he deserves a lot of credit for them. But keep in mind he's not flawless in big games, he's just flawless when big games are on the line.

I'd say josh brown, ryan longwell, are about as good as vinatieri and david akers is better. Probably others, but who follows kickers:)

I totally forgot neil rackers

[Tredici]

well he's never been statistically great. his career is made off of like 5 kicks. now its great that he made those 5 clutch kicks and he deserves a lot of credit for them. But keep in mind he's not flawless in big games, he's just flawless when big games are on the line.

I'd say josh brown, ryan longwell, are about as good as vinatieri and david akers is better. Probably others, but who follows kickers:)

Well you don't. I think you might take a peek at Vinatieri's stats. He's been the best kicker in the league over about, oh, the last ten years.

[yavoon]

Well you don't. I think you might take a peek at Vinatieri's stats. He's been the best kicker in the league over about, oh, the last ten years.

no, he hasn't. and if u read this thread u'd realize bellicheck doesn't even consider him in the top 10.

[Tredici]

If you take the entire ten years, see what you find.

[yavoon]

If you take the entire ten years, see what you find.

oh so he only started sucking this year? i see.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The guy hit all the big ones. That kick against Oakland in the snow is the #1 kick of all time IMO.

Jason Elam has that one. 65 yards deep.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

no, he hasn't. and if u read this thread u'd realize bellicheck doesn't even consider him in the top 10.
Vanderjaqt and Vinatieri have been without question the best kickers over the last 10 years.

[yavoon]

Vanderjaqt and Vinatieri have been without question the best kickers over the last 10 years.

oo someone who likes vanderjagt, wont find as many of those around anymore

[Merlin]

oo someone who likes vanderjagt, wont find as many of those around anymore
His stats hold even outside the dome. He has the best career avg of any kicker in history, it would take an ass to assume his no good. Oh, I forgot, WR and LB are allowed to be total a$$holes and still be called great, but to be a kicker with an attitude is the sin for all ages.

[yavoon]

His stats hold even outside the dome. He has the best career avg of any kicker in history, it would take an ass to assume his no good. Oh, I forgot, WR and LB are allowed to be total a$$holes and still be called great, but to be a kicker with an attitude is the sin for all ages.

I wonder where all u guys are getting ur appraisals of best kicker? The only place I know that even attempts to coalesce all the differnt types of field goals into an assesment of rank is footballoutsiders. but they're evil!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I wonder where all u guys are getting ur appraisals of best kicker? The only place I know that even attempts to coalesce all the differnt types of field goals into an assesment of rank is footballoutsiders. but they're evil!

If you watch them play you can kinda get a feel for how good they are.

[Beantown Bronco]

My friend today told me (who has a reliable source in Foxboro) that Vinatieri wasn't among the top 10 Kickers of all 32 in the league based on Belichicks rankings, including kickoffs ect...and that is why no franchise and/or top free agent money.

That's a bunch of bull. Not in the top 10?! His percentage is fine. His percentage on game winners is unbeatable (last miss was in 1999 for God's sake). The guy's only weakness going into 2004 was his kickoffs. He has addressed that by regularly hitting the endzone now while still keeping his accuracy on field goals. I'd like to know who these 10 kickers are. Akers….when healthy, yes; but not since the injury. Elam's very accurate but his kickoffs leave a lot to be desired (not that he even does them any more). Vanderjackoff can't even reach the 10 yard line on kickoffs (not that he's even asked to any more) and chokes under pressure…..not to mention he's a cancer.

How many top kickers are even asked to kick off any more?

I can't name a better all around kicker than Adam right now, so he deserves to be paid the most IMO. Saying he's not even in the top 10 is just silly and can't even be argued with a straight face.

[yavoon]

If you watch them play you can kinda get a feel for how good they are.

haha thats pretty much how I thought u did it.

[yavoon]

That's a bunch of bull. Not in the top 10?! His percentage is fine. His percentage on game winners is unbeatable (last miss was in 1999 for God's sake). The guy's only weakness going into 2004 was his kickoffs. He has addressed that by regularly hitting the endzone now while still keeping his accuracy on field goals. I'd like to know who these 10 kickers are. Akers….when healthy, yes; but not since the injury. Elam's very accurate but his kickoffs leave a lot to be desired (not that he even does them any more). Vanderjackoff can't even reach the 10 yard line on kickoffs (not that he's even asked to any more) and chokes under pressure…..not to mention he's a cancer.

How many top kickers are even asked to kick off any more?

I can't name a better all around kicker than Adam right now, so he deserves to be paid the most IMO. Saying he's not even in the top 10 is just silly and can't even be argued with a straight face.

just for fun I looked at outsiders rank. the most valuable kickers in 05 only in terms of field goals and extra points were:

neil rackers
joe nedney
jeff wilkins
jay feeley
matt stover
nate kaeding
shayne graham
vanderjagt

vinatieri is like 17th or something, he's negative at any rate. so outsiders would agree w/ bellicheck.

[Beantown Bronco]

Meaningless list. Penalizes teams that score more TDs and rewards teams like Zona, St. Louis and Atlanta that attempted more than 5 fgs every week cause they couldn't punch it in.

How many of those guys would you rather have kicking for the win in an important game?

[yavoon]

Meaningless list. Penalizes teams that score more TDs and rewards teams like Zona, St. Louis and Atlanta that attempted more than 5 fgs every week cause they couldn't punch it in.

How many of those guys would you rather have kicking for the win in an important game?

so thats why vinatieri was negative. because of fewer attempts. i see....

I would consider ur haphazard opinion significantly more meaningless than outsiders.

[Crowpointer]

That's a bunch of bull. Not in the top 10?! His percentage is fine. His percentage on game winners is unbeatable (last miss was in 1999 for God's sake). The guy's only weakness going into 2004 was his kickoffs. He has addressed that by regularly hitting the endzone now while still keeping his accuracy on field goals. I'd like to know who these 10 kickers are. Akers….when healthy, yes; but not since the injury. Elam's very accurate but his kickoffs leave a lot to be desired (not that he even does them any more). Vanderjackoff can't even reach the 10 yard line on kickoffs (not that he's even asked to any more) and chokes under pressure…..not to mention he's a cancer.

How many top kickers are even asked to kick off any more?

I can't name a better all around kicker than Adam right now, so he deserves to be paid the most IMO. Saying he's not even in the top 10 is just silly and can't even be argued with a straight face.
I'm sorry I forgot to trust your opinion over Bill Belichicks. You're the clown who started the thread about Pats fans pulling a hammy. How has the bean eating going you phony.

[Beantown Bronco]

I'm sorry I forgot to trust your opinion over Bill Belichicks. You're the clown who started the thread about Pats fans pulling a hammy. How has the bean eating going you phony.

Yup...and I'll wait to hear Bill Belicheck actually say he didn't think Adam was a top 10 kicker in this league before I believe your "friend". It's just as likely that Belicheck actually does believe Adam is the #1, but just won't pay him as much because it's the organization's stance not to pay #1 money.

[ludo21]

Yup...and I'll wait to hear Bill Belicheck actually say he didn't think Adam was a top 10 kicker in this league before I believe your "friend". It's just as likely that Belicheck actually does believe Adam is the #1, but just won't pay him as much because it's the organization's stance not to pay #1 money.


#1 money for a kicker :rofl:

Smart move by the Pats.

[TheManeMan]

I cant believe that a thread about a Kicker is 2 pages long...

[Beantown Bronco]

I cant believe that a thread about a Kicker is 2 pages long...

Why not? It's the off-season and we've had longer threads about Mock's freakin cat....Jake leaving his fiancee at the altar.....and Griese's dog.

[TheManeMan]

Why not? It's the off-season and we've had longer threads about Mock's freakin cat....Jake leaving his fiancee at the altar.....and Griese's dog.

yeah I know but, still...we're talking about Kickers here...Kickers...who cares where they go or what they do...I guess I'm the only one...oh well...continue the thread...

[Tredici]

well he's never been statistically great. his career is made off of like 5 kicks. now its great that he made those 5 clutch kicks and he deserves a lot of credit for them. But keep in mind he's not flawless in big games, he's just flawless when big games are on the line.

I'd say josh brown, ryan longwell, are about as good as vinatieri and david akers is better. Probably others, but who follows kickers:)

I totally forgot neil rackers


KICKER FGM FGA FGM POINTS YEAR
David Akers 1996
Josh Brown 1996
Ryan Longwell 1996
Adam Vinatieri 27 35 77.1 120 1996

David Akers 1997
Josh Brown 1997
Adam Vinatieri 25 29 86.2 115 1997
Ryan Longwell 24 30 80.0 120 1997

David Akers 1998
Josh Brown 1998
Ryan Longwell 29 33 87.9 128 1998
Adam Vinatieri 31 39 79.5 127 1998

Ryan Longwell 25 30 83.3 113 1999
Adam Vinatieri 26 33 78.8 107 1999
David Akers 3 6 50.0 11 1998
Josh Brown

David Akers 29 33 87.9 121 2000
Ryan Longwell 33 38 86.8 131 2000
Adam Vinatieri 27 33 81.8 106 2000
Josh Brown

David Akers 26 31 83.9 115 2001
Adam Vinatieri 24 30 80.0 113 2001
Ryan Longwell 20 31 64.5 104 2001
Josh Brown 2001

Adam Vinatieri 27 30 90.0 117 2002
David Akers 30 34 88.2 133 2002
Ryan Longwell 28 34 82.4 128 2002
Josh Brown 2002

Ryan Longwell 23 26 88.5 120 2003
David Akers 24 29 82.8 114 2003
Adam Vinatieri 25 34 73.5 112 2003
Josh Brown 22 30 73.3 114 2003

Adam Vinatieri 31 33 93.9 141 2004
Josh Brown 23 25 92.0 109 2004
Ryan Longwell 24 28 85.7 120 2004
David Akers 27 32 84.4 122 2004

David Akers 2005
Josh Brown 18 25 72.0 110 2005
Ryan Longwell 2005
Adam Vinatieri 20 25 80.0 100 2005

Then there are guys who show up for a season or two - like you currently picked - Rackers. Others in this category would be like Wilkens, or Stover who have a big season, then a not so big season. If you wanted someone who compares favorably to Vinatieri for consistently being in the top ten, it's Jason Elam.

[Nuggets4]

Holy crap. It takes a kicker to bring Deb back to smack some people around. Awesome.

[yavoon]

KICKER FGM FGA FGM POINTS YEAR
David Akers 1996
Josh Brown 1996
Ryan Longwell 1996
Adam Vinatieri 27 35 77.1 120 1996

David Akers 1997
Josh Brown 1997
Adam Vinatieri 25 29 86.2 115 1997
Ryan Longwell 24 30 80.0 120 1997

David Akers 1998
Josh Brown 1998
Ryan Longwell 29 33 87.9 128 1998
Adam Vinatieri 31 39 79.5 127 1998

Ryan Longwell 25 30 83.3 113 1999
Adam Vinatieri 26 33 78.8 107 1999
David Akers 3 6 50.0 11 1998
Josh Brown

David Akers 29 33 87.9 121 2000
Ryan Longwell 33 38 86.8 131 2000
Adam Vinatieri 27 33 81.8 106 2000
Josh Brown

David Akers 26 31 83.9 115 2001
Adam Vinatieri 24 30 80.0 113 2001
Ryan Longwell 20 31 64.5 104 2001
Josh Brown 2001

Adam Vinatieri 27 30 90.0 117 2002
David Akers 30 34 88.2 133 2002
Ryan Longwell 28 34 82.4 128 2002
Josh Brown 2002

Ryan Longwell 23 26 88.5 120 2003
David Akers 24 29 82.8 114 2003
Adam Vinatieri 25 34 73.5 112 2003
Josh Brown 22 30 73.3 114 2003

Adam Vinatieri 31 33 93.9 141 2004
Josh Brown 23 25 92.0 109 2004
Ryan Longwell 24 28 85.7 120 2004
David Akers 27 32 84.4 122 2004

David Akers 2005
Josh Brown 18 25 72.0 110 2005
Ryan Longwell 2005
Adam Vinatieri 20 25 80.0 100 2005

Then there are guys who show up for a season or two - like you currently picked - Rackers. Others in this category would be like Wilkens, or Stover who have a big season, then a not so big season. If you wanted someone who compares favorably to Vinatieri for consistently being in the top ten, it's Jason Elam.

rackers is young. and % isnt everything. outsiders has vinatieri twice ranked as the most valuable kicker in the league. it also has him in negative points I believe 4 times, including this year.

good of u to confirm that ur taking all but the most tertiary view of how good a kicker is.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Vanderjagt has probably been the best kicker over the last 9 years and he's the all-time leader in percentage of kicks made. And besides that, he called Paytown a wuss.





http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1529/v9tg.png

[Tredici]

rackers is young. and % isnt everything. outsiders has vinatieri twice ranked as the most valuable kicker in the league. it also has him in negative points I believe 4 times, including this year.

good of u to confirm that ur taking all but the most tertiary view of how good a kicker is.

I think I qualified. Vinatieri has been consistent over a long time span. Stats is stats. I posted what they are, what you make of them is up to you. The guy does his job. I'm sure Outsiders is the definitive source.

[Tredici]

Vanderjagt has probably been the best kicker over the last 9 years and he's the all-time leader in percentage of kicks made. And besides that, he called Paytown a wuss.





http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/1529/v9tg.png

Actually, he bounces around some, too. One year it's this guy, one year it's that guy. Along with Elam and Vinatieri there has been steady consistancy. Akers is there too, but he gets injured and then I guess he gets a pass from the negative pointers at Outsiders.

But I agree he should be highly valued for messing with Prince Payton.

[yavoon]

I think I qualified. Vinatieri has been consistent over a long time span. Stats is stats. I posted what they are, what you make of them is up to you. The guy does his job. I'm sure Outsiders is the definitive source.

consistent in what? that he has played for 10 years? I think vinatieri has been more inconsistant than u think. and outsiders bears this out while he has had 2 great years he has also had a bunch of pretty avg to bad years, including this past one.

[Tredici]

consistent in what? that he has played for 10 years? I think vinatieri has been more inconsistant than u think. and outsiders bears this out while he has had 2 great years he has also had a bunch of pretty avg to bad years, including this past one.

Depends on what your criteria is for average to bad. I gave you the last ten years of stats. His % remains fairly consistent in regards to others in the same position. If you wanted to look at the top twenty for the entire ten seasons that data is available to you. I only provided the three you mentioned. If it meant anything to you, you could do that on your own and see how often, with the exception of about 4 or 5 guys, the rest of the guys in the top 20 come and go.

You could look at those stats and do some further thinking. Like last year Vinitieri only had 25 attempts. If he had more opportunity would the % be better? There are also distance stats. Was he called on in more desperate long attempt situations? I mean, there could be additional analysis where you could use your brain to figure out if the guy just suddenly sucked.

Longwell's best years is when Green Bay was scoring at will. Did that make him a better kicker? Is Vinatieri a lesser kicker when New England struggles?

But hey, if you want to go with Outsiders conclusion because it supports the way you want to see it, I've got no problem with that. It's an easy way out.

[yavoon]

Depends on what your criteria is for average to bad. I gave you the last ten years of stats. His % remains fairly consistent in regards to others in the same position. If you wanted to look at the top twenty for the entire ten seasons that data is available to you. I only provided the three you mentioned. If it meant anything to you, you could do that on your own and see how often, with the exception of about 4 or 5 guys, the rest of the guys in the top 20 come and go.

You could look at those stats and do some further thinking. Like last year Vinitieri only had 25 attempts. If he had more opportunity would the % be better? There are also distance stats. Was he called on in more desperate long attempt situations? I mean, there could be additional analysis where you could use your brain to figure out if the guy just suddenly sucked.

Longwell's best years is when Green Bay was scoring at will. Did that make him a better kicker? Is Vinatieri a lesser kicker when New England struggles?

But hey, if you want to go with Outsiders conclusion because it supports the way you want to see it, I've got no problem with that. It's an easy way out.

average to bad is in relation to the expected performance of other kickers in similar situations. obviously u are starting to think like outsiders by thinking about taking into consideration distance, weather, stadium, etc... good job.

and if a person is negative in outsiders no amt of field goal attempts at their current performance level will make them positive.

[Sean]

What we see depends mainly upon what we look for.

[Tredici]

average to bad is in relation to the expected performance of other kickers in similar situations. obviously u are starting to think like outsiders by thinking about taking into consideration distance, weather, stadium, etc... good job.

and if a person is negative in outsiders no amt of field goal attempts at their current performance level will make them positive.

Then I'm not thinking like Outsiders at all.

The "expected" performance of other kickers in similar situations? Okay. Guess those speculations are purely scientific. How do you quantify "similar situations". Good grief.

I presented the same stats they use. Just skipped all the 1-20 20-40. It's all there, too much to enter here. I've always taken the entirety into consideration when posting - seems like that is a given, but thanks for the patronization. Like I said, it's readily available if you want to take the time to go find it. If you are content with Outsider's analysis, no problem here.

But, as far as I'm concerned, it's stupid to think additional attempts wouldn't result in additional field goals made or that it wouldn't effect the performance level. It would move the ratio. 5 misses out of 25 looks different than 5 misses out of 30. Same as 15 misses out of 30 would also move the ratio.

I have no problem with my first conclusion. Vinatieri has consistently been one of the best kickers in the league for the last ten years. He's made a good decision to move into a Dome and will now kick in a controlled environment for most of his games.

As for Belichick? Well, guess he likes the guy he has kicking now better than Adam. Good luck to him.

[yavoon]

Then I'm not thinking like Outsiders at all.

The "expected" performance of other kickers in similar situations? Okay. Guess those speculations are purely scientific. How do you quantify "similar situations". Good grief.

I presented the same stats they use. Just skipped all the 1-20 20-40. It's all there, too much to enter here. I've always taken the entirety into consideration when posting - seems like that is a given, but thanks for the patronization. Like I said, it's readily available if you want to take the time to go find it. If you are content with Outsider's analysis, no problem here.

But, as far as I'm concerned, it's stupid to think additional attempts wouldn't result in additional field goals made or that it wouldn't effect the performance level. It would move the ratio. 5 misses out of 25 looks different than 5 misses out of 30. Same as 15 misses out of 30 would also move the ratio.

I have no problem with my first conclusion. Vinatieri has consistently been one of the best kickers in the league for the last ten years. He's made a good decision to move into a Dome and will now kick in a controlled environment for most of his games.

As for Belichick? Well, guess he likes the guy he has kicking now better than Adam. Good luck to him.

how do u think u qualify similar situations? distance, weather, stadium, etc...honestly u dont know how to identify a similar situation? thats bordering on sad. as for additional attempts, he will obviously get more points but he wont necessarily perform better, I think here again u lack an understanding of how outsiders works.

and I have no doubt that u r comfortable w/ ur gut assertion no matter the amount of more rigorous and quantitative analysis is presented to u.

[RedskinBronco]

Oh man this just keeps getting better and better. If you thought Manning was about to strangle Vanderjagt, wait til you see what happens between TO and Vanderjagt once Vandi misses an important kick.

Come on Shanny and Sundy, make some solid moves and make this the perfect offseason for me. 15th pick is a nice start.

[barters]

How come Vandershank didn't enter the league until he was 27/28? Seems strange?

Or are those stats not the entirity of his career?

[shaun514]

In any event, he is a clear upgrade to what the 'boys had last year. It seems that he is getting the rep for missing clutch kicks from just that one.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How come Vandershank didn't enter the league until he was 27/28? Seems strange?

Or are those stats not the entirity of his career?
He's a Canadian who played in the CFL for 5 years.

So more info...

COLLEGE
Two-year letterman (1991-92)...was 15-20 FGs and 27-32 PATs as senior kicker...was 52-39.2 punting as junior...transferred from Allan Hancock (Calif.) Junior College...was all-conference punter and team’s starting QB...originally signed as QB at Michigan State in 1988.
PERSONAL

Full name is Mike Vanderjagt...born in Oakville, Ontario...lettered in basketball, football, soccer and track at White Oaks High School...is an aspiring actor who served as kickin’ double for Tony Danza in the football movie ‘The Garbage Pickin’ Field Goal Kickin’ Philadelphia Phenomenon’...instructor for Colts 101 and 201, an annual women’s football clinic...founded The Just Kickin’ It Fund to benefit children in Indianapolis and Toronto areas with terminal or life-altering illnesses by supporting and assisting groups that are leaders in the fight against these diseases…to date, the fund has donated $13,000 to the Mickey Meyer Foundation (Brownsburg Little League All-Star who suffered a serious head injury from a Skateboarding accident),

Led Annual Swim for the Indiana School for the Blind to raise money for students and school programs, conducted a minimum of three visits per year to Riley Hospital for Children & Methodist Hospital Children's Ward, hosted annual New Year’s Eve party for children and families of Riley Hospital for Children

Hosted annual kicking camp for deaf and underprivileged children, hosted two events in conjunction with the Indianapolis Police Department to offer free finger-printing to children, hosted pizza party and fingerprinting event with a local Indianapolis Boys and Girls Club, took 13 families from Riley Children’s Hospital to home Colts games for past three years and hosted pizza party before the home games with families from Riley Hospital for children to distribute tickets and signed items to families attending Colts games...

Vanderjagt and his wife, Janalyn, reside with their son, Jay Michael (4/13/99), in Toronto, Canada.

http://tinyurl.com/fxxc9

[barters]

Thanks man, quite an interesting read. Surprised it took the Colts that long for an NFL team to pick him up.

[Tredici]

how do u think u qualify similar situations? distance, weather, stadium, etc...honestly u dont know how to identify a similar situation? thats bordering on sad. as for additional attempts, he will obviously get more points but he wont necessarily perform better, I think here again u lack an understanding of how outsiders works.

and I have no doubt that u r comfortable w/ ur gut assertion no matter the amount of more rigorous and quantitative analysis is presented to u.

I have no doubt the pot is calling the kettle black.

End of discussion.

[yavoon]

I have no doubt the pot is calling the kettle black.

End of discussion.

yah because my opinion is backed up by bellicheck and outsiders while ur opinion is backed up by the fact that u think vinatieri's % of makes hasn't fluctuated "that much."