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Clockwork Orange
03-23-2006, 06:52 AM
950 The Fan is reporting that Eric Moulds' agent has contacted the Broncos about a possible trade, he was granted permission by the Bills to do so. They said that Denver is one of five teams who he's contacted and didn't say who the other four were.

OrangeShadow
03-23-2006, 06:55 AM
I want either him or javon walker here.

BroncoInferno
03-23-2006, 06:55 AM
I'd be fine with a trade for a 2nd day pick, provided he restructures. Hopefully that would end this Chad Jackson talk.

Willynowei
03-23-2006, 06:55 AM
Hmm...

Good Stuff.

eddie mac
03-23-2006, 06:56 AM
What's he worth at his age??? 5th or 6th rounder???

BroncoBuff
03-23-2006, 06:57 AM
What would he cost?

He seems more attractive to me than Javon Walker ... simply because I seem to remember Javon had a very bad knee injury last pre-season .... nobody's talking about that injury in these threads that I've seen. So, even though Javon is younger and probably better than Moulds, I'd like to know how his rehab is going ......

Orange_Beard
03-23-2006, 07:00 AM
What did the Skins get for Patrick Ramsey? Like a 5th or 6th rounder.
Moulds can't be worth more then that. I would give 5 or 6 for him.
Walker will take a year to heal and cost big bucks.

eddie mac
03-23-2006, 07:01 AM
Dont know the value off hand but could we work something where we send them 15 and 22 for No8, Moulds and their 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder?

That way we'd be sure to get a shot at either Bunkley or Davis and grab a better WR.

Clockwork Orange
03-23-2006, 07:03 AM
Dont know the value off hand but could we work something where we send them 15 and 22 for No8, Moulds and their 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder?

That way we'd be sure to get a shot at either Bunkley or Davis and grab a better WR.

If the Broncos got up to #8, screw Bunkley, give me Ngata, Huff or Davis.

broncohaven
03-23-2006, 07:05 AM
I wouldn't touch Molds unless he restructures to count nothing against the cap. Walker at least has upside, and because of the ?s about his knee would likely come cheap.

BroncosMT
03-23-2006, 07:09 AM
Also Moulds is 33 years old isn't he??? Walker is still under 30 so there is still some tread on Walker depending upon how his knee heals.

broncohaven
03-23-2006, 07:10 AM
If the Broncos got up to #8, screw Bunkley, give me Ngata, Huff or Davis.
I agree. If we get into the top ten, there are whole new possibilities. Ngata would top my list, and Vince would be there. I love Davis, but would have a hard time taking a TE that high.

Clockwork Orange
03-23-2006, 07:11 AM
Also Moulds is 33 years old isn't he??? Walker is still under 30 so there is still some tread on Walker depending upon how his knee heals.

Moulds is older, but he's been pretty durable throughout his career. Since he came into the league in 1996 he's only missed 6 games.

x123z
03-23-2006, 07:11 AM
Draft No more retreads

BroncoBen
03-23-2006, 07:12 AM
I wouldn't touch Molds unless he restructures to count nothing against the cap.

Word.

From what I understand Molds still wants to be paid like a top WR in the league, that is what at issue with his situation with the Bills.

You figure whoever the Broncos bring in, signing, trade, draft they will be the 3rd WR. Smith and Lelie are 1 and 2 respectively.

Molds like Keyshawn I don't believe will be happy in this situation, they both will want their catches.

Odysseus
03-23-2006, 07:24 AM
I would love to see Moulds in Denver. I don't factor age into can this guy play this game. I do factor money.

meangene
03-23-2006, 07:27 AM
I wouldn't touch Molds unless he restructures to count nothing against the cap. Walker at least has upside, and because of the ?s about his knee would likely come cheap.

Restructure yes. To nothing? I don't think so. I actually want this guy here. He is still a quality receiver in this league and should be for a couple of years. We should be willing to give him a reasonable contract offer to come here.

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 07:31 AM
Please do this Shanny

I've been asking for Moulds since December

eddie mac
03-23-2006, 07:33 AM
Moulds is a far better WR than Lelie.

Darkhawk24
03-23-2006, 07:39 AM
Moulds would be a really nice option. Obviously a new contract would have to be reached. I'd give a 5th in a heartbeat.

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 07:40 AM
Moulds is a far better WR than Lelie.

even at Moulds' age, he still has good speed too

he and Rod would be a GREAT option, much better than Keyshawn, that is for sure

He's worth a 5th rounder if he'll agree to a new contract

Clockwork Orange
03-23-2006, 07:42 AM
He's worth a 5th rounder if he'll agree to a new contract

That'll be a requirement no matter where he goes. No one is gonna carry him at his current cap number (which I don't remember exactly, but I know it's a lot higher than it should be).

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 07:43 AM
That'll be a requirement no matter where he goes. No one is gonna carry him at his current cap number (which I don't remember exactly, but I know it's a lot higher than it should be).

and from what I can tell, he doesn't want to be a bill, so either he'll get released or traded

either way, Moulds is available and we NEED a good #2 receiver

eddie mac
03-23-2006, 08:00 AM
That'll be a requirement no matter where he goes. No one is gonna carry him at his current cap number (which I don't remember exactly, but I know it's a lot higher than it should be).

Somewhere between $8-$10m. If the Bills trade/cut him they shave nearly half that off.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 08:05 AM
That'll be a requirement no matter where he goes. No one is gonna carry him at his current cap number (which I don't remember exactly, but I know it's a lot higher than it should be).

I think it's 7.1 million this year.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 08:06 AM
and from what I can tell, he doesn't want to be a bill, so either he'll get released or traded

either way, Moulds is available and we NEED a good #2 receiver

He might battle Rod for that #1 spot.

Ballhawk
03-23-2006, 08:08 AM
I would love to see Moulds in Denver. I don't factor age into can this guy play this game. I do factor money.

Agree with this Moulds can move the chains and would complement Rod so much better than Lelie, money is a big factor at 33 tho.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 08:10 AM
Send them a fifth or preferably a 6th for him.

Dont know the value off hand but could we work something where we send them 15 and 22 for No8, Moulds and their 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder

15 is worth 1050 and 22 is worth 780 for a total of 1830. The #8 pick is worth 1400, and their second roudner is worth 500 for a total of 1900. We might need to thow something else in to make it work under that scenario but since Shanny screwed over Atlanta like he did we might not have too.

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 08:14 AM
Broncos on Moulds' list

Buffalo recently gave receiver Eric Moulds permission to seek a trade. His agents contacted Denver and four other teams.

The Broncos' interest likely will be muted because of the cost, Moulds' age (he turns 33 in July) and the fact that the team will likely address its needs at receiver in the draft.

"Eric would love to play in Denver," personal adviser Greg Johnson said. "He'd love to play for Mike Shanahan and play alongside Rod Smith. That's a team that fits what he's looking for."


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3629875

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 08:20 AM
Broncos on Moulds' list

Buffalo recently gave receiver Eric Moulds permission to seek a trade. His agents contacted Denver and four other teams.

The Broncos' interest likely will be muted because of the cost, Moulds' age (he turns 33 in July) and the fact that the team will likely address its needs at receiver in the draft.

"Eric would love to play in Denver," personal adviser Greg Johnson said. "He'd love to play for Mike Shanahan and play alongside Rod Smith. That's a team that fits what he's looking for."


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3629875

if we screw this up like the Roaf/Harrison thing I'm gonna lose it

LOL

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 08:21 AM
if we screw this up like the Roaf/Harrison thing I'm gonna lose it

LOL


word

Old Dude
03-23-2006, 08:26 AM
No question that Moulds would make a tremendous addition.

As always, money is the issue. I'm lost in terms of our cap space, but I know that two first round picks can be expected to take a bite out of it, especially now that one of them has been moved up 14 slots.

meangene
03-23-2006, 08:32 AM
Damn it! This guy wants to be here! Go and get him! We can do some restructuring to fit the draft picks in once we know how much we will need. This fills a big need in an area where the draft is weak this year.

Mediator12
03-23-2006, 08:32 AM
This is great news. Moulds does fit Denver's need more than any other WR out there right now. It shows Moulds wants to win NOW because our passing game is not that good.

Now where is Crazyhorse saying he did not really call Denver ???

fontaine
03-23-2006, 08:45 AM
This is what really pisses me off about Lelie.

He's got top ten talent, but none of the consistent production. He does such a great job of getting open deep and making some great catches. I have no doubt that when he's on, he does stretch the field and open up things for Rod and our Running Game. He's not that far away from being a tremendous WR, but for reason he's not willing/ready to take that extra step.

Moulds isn't some magic pill that's going to improve our passing game. Moulds can't stretch the field no matter how much of a veteran he is. If we do sign him then he takes snaps away from Lelie and two old WRs in Rod and Moulds aren't fast enough any more to stretch the field so our offense will suffer in that regard. You put in Lelie, and you lose Mould's consistency and work on short to intermediate routes.

This the really frustrating thing about Lelie. He's good enough to be put on the field, but he really doesn't do all that much once he's on it.

rbackfactory80
03-23-2006, 08:55 AM
even at Moulds' age, he still has good speed too

he and Rod would be a GREAT option, much better than Keyshawn, that is for sure

He's worth a 5th rounder if he'll agree to a new contract

He is one of those crafty receivers that knows how to get open. It would be a nice signing.

pootz22
03-23-2006, 08:56 AM
If I remember correctly....Moulds is one of the better blocking WR's in the league. I always thought he would compliment Rod very well.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 08:56 AM
I'm hearing that the interest isn't mutual so I doubt he even comes for a visit.

Thanks shanny. Makes a good move with the trade and then follows it up with this crap.

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 08:57 AM
I'm hearing that the interest isn't mutual so I doubt he even comes for a visit.

Thanks shanny. Makes a good move with the trade and then follows it up with this crap.

well that makes sense

after Harrison and Roaf, it seems to be par for the course lately

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 08:58 AM
I'm hearing that the interest isn't mutual so I doubt he even comes for a visit.



I see that TO story went straight to your head...tell the parrot on your shoulder to STFU!

Ha!

fontaine
03-23-2006, 08:58 AM
Thanks shanny. Makes a good move with the trade and then follows it up with this crap.

Why do you say that?

DBroncos4life
03-23-2006, 09:01 AM
Eric Moulds - WR - Bills


Eric Moulds' agents contacted the Broncos about a possible trade.
The interest isn't expected to be mutual. Moulds' agent contacted five teams, including the Patriots. Mar. 23 - 10:38 am et
Source: Denver Post


I get tired of seeing Devoe, Adams, and whatever other could turn out to be good scrub in the line up for us when guys like Moulds would like to play for us.

BroncoInferno
03-23-2006, 09:03 AM
I'm hearing that the interest isn't mutual so I doubt he even comes for a visit.

Thanks shanny. Makes a good move with the trade and then follows it up with this crap.

Yeah, this crap of not trading for a 33 year old who will likely be released anyway and wants to still make big bucks even though he is on the downside of his career. What are you thinking Shanny!

BTW, I'm not against bringing him in for a 5th or 6th rounder and a modest contract, but it would certainly be logical to pass on him if his contract wishes aren't modest.

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 09:04 AM
Eric Moulds - WR - Bills


Eric Moulds' agents contacted the Broncos about a possible trade.
The interest isn't expected to be mutual. Moulds' agent contacted five teams, including the Patriots. Mar. 23 - 10:38 am et
Source: Denver Post


I get tired of seeing Devoe, Adams, and whatever other could turn out to be good scrub in the line up for us when guys like Moulds would like to play for us.

yep....the same thing was happening with the Broncos Safety position until they got the balls to sign an aging and injured veteran in John Lynch.

Come on Shanny!

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 09:04 AM
Yeah, this crap of not trading for a 33 year old who will likely be released anyway and wants to still make big bucks even though he is on the downside of his career. What are you thinking Shanny!

BTW, I'm not against bringing him in for a 5th or 6th rounder and a modest contract, but it would certainly be logical to pass on him if his contract wishes aren't modest.

who knows what he wants in his contract, nothing has come out yet

BroncoInferno
03-23-2006, 09:07 AM
who knows what he wants in his contract, nothing has come out yet

It would be logical for teams to take the more cost effective approach with guys like him, but some stupid, desperate team always steps forward with a pile of cash.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 09:08 AM
Yeah, this crap of not trading for a 33 year old who will likely be released anyway and wants to still make big bucks even though he is on the downside of his career. What are you thinking Shanny!

BTW, I'm not against bringing him in for a 5th or 6th rounder and a modest contract, but it would certainly be logical to pass on him if his contract wishes aren't modest.

You don't know what his contract wishes are.

And we passed on vets before who I would have loved to have seen here (Roaf and Harrison for sure).

And he won't be released.

Rascal
03-23-2006, 09:09 AM
It would be logical for teams to take the more cost effective approach with guys like him, but some stupid, desperate team always steps forward with a pile of cash.

Who says the Broncos can't use a cost effective approach? Fact is he is interested in becoming a Bronco and we should at least bring him in for a visit to talk to him.

I said it was stupid for us not to at least talk to the guy...not sign him. If he wants a lot of money show him the door...if he wants to win we can work on it.

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 09:12 AM
the only thing I can figure is, they are going to wait to see if he gets cut

which is more than likely, buffalo is not going to pay his roster bonus

meangene
03-23-2006, 09:12 AM
Who says the Broncos can't use a cost effective approach? Fact is he is interested in becoming a Bronco and we should at least bring him in for a visit to talk to him.

ABSOLUTELY! At least show the guy we would be interested at a reasonable figure. He might come here for less than elsewhere if he's more interested in winning than money which he might be at this stage.

clint7
03-23-2006, 09:12 AM
Who needs Moulds, TO, Abe, Carter, and Jamal Lewis...when Denver can land the likes of Nate Webster, Lang, and Mike McMahon! ::)

Rohirrim
03-23-2006, 09:14 AM
Here's what I like the most about Moulds: He doesn't drop the f***ing ball!

BroncoInferno
03-23-2006, 09:15 AM
You don't know what his contract wishes are.

You're right, and as I said if the demands are modest I certainly wouldn't mind bringing him in. I'm just skeptical that some desperate, stupid team won't throw a pile of cash at him.

And we passed on vets before who I would have loved to have seen here (Roaf and Harrison for sure).

Very true, but their deals were fairly reasonable given their respective ages. if that is the case with Moulds, sure, bring him in.

And he won't be released.

He is on the books for $10 million or something ridiculous like that. If they can't find a trade partner, he will absolutely be released.

Mediator12
03-23-2006, 09:15 AM
Who says the Broncos can't use a cost effective approach? Fact is he is interested in becoming a Bronco and we should at least bring him in for a visit to talk to him.

If nothing other than to make the chiefs offer him a bigger contract LOL

I would hope they bring him in, but I also have not heard anything about seeking a WR from inside the organization. They are fairly cryptic this time of year and I would not be surprised if they have another plan already in motion.

That being said, I like what Moulds offers to this team. He would be an immediate upgrade at WR in the running game and as a possession guy. Plus, he had plenty of experience last year adjusting to poorly thrown balls from Losman. Jake might actually seem to be accurate from his point of View ;D

Requiem
03-23-2006, 09:18 AM
Someone said Ashley isn't willing to take the next step to become a great receiver. I disagree. If Denver would utilize him better, he probably would be one. As far as grabbing Moulds go, he'd make a bigger impact than any rookie drafted in rounds 5 and 6, I'd be for it, but he'll probably be cut anyways. He'd probably be our #2 guy, which would put Lelie back in the slot. I'm all for this addition, especially since it taps on the "get players to win now" theme a lot of us have been preaching for a while now. If Moulds is picked up by the Broncos, I still don't think we're done addressing wide receiver. It'd seem like a good way to go about the draft. Even with that addition, Rod and Eric are both very old, so I still wouldn't be against using an early pick to address WR; with that mentioned and the fact that Ashley is a FA.

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 09:18 AM
Plus, he had plenty of experience last year adjusting to poorly thrown balls from Losman. Jake might actually seem to be accurate from his point of View ;D



that's some tasty bait for certain posters around here....

trouble maker
;D

Mile High Shack
03-23-2006, 09:21 AM
Someone said Ashley isn't willing to take the next step to become a great receiver. I disagree. If Denver would utilize him better, he probably would be one.

so you are saying it's Shanny's fault then eh?

Shanny must be bad at organizing an offensive unit by that statement

DBroncos4life
03-23-2006, 09:24 AM
I don't know whats worse them not adding a speedrusher when everyone in the damn world knows thats what we are missing or them not talking to people that WANT to play for us.

Requiem
03-23-2006, 09:25 AM
I'm not blaming anybody, just giving my opinion. I can go back to the games where Ashley ran more than just deep routes towards the endzone and he had solid games, solid production we'd like to see out of him. He's extremely solid for a #2, I think he's a player we lock up long-term this next off-season. Having Heimerdinger back will hopefully help him. I expect big things this year.

bronco militia
03-23-2006, 09:26 AM
I don't know whats worse them not adding a speedrusher when everyone in the damn world knows thats what we are missing or them not talking to people that WANT to play for us.

hey! you should know better....you're talking about the same group of "experts" that justified drafting Clarret...

:cuss:

bendog
03-23-2006, 09:31 AM
How much is moulds asking price?

rbackfactory80
03-23-2006, 09:32 AM
By not wanting to talk to Moulds that means maybe the draft a receiver option or trading for Javon Walker are likely, hopefully the later.

fontaine
03-23-2006, 09:35 AM
I'm not blaming anybody, just giving my opinion. I can go back to the games where Ashley ran more than just deep routes towards the endzone and he had solid games, solid production we'd like to see out of him. He's extremely solid for a #2, I think he's a player we lock up long-term this next off-season. Having Heimerdinger back will hopefully help him. I expect big things this year.

Solid eh? Zero red zone TDs in two years is solid?

Lelie has all the talent in the world, but running sloppy routes, getting jammed off the line, and disapearing for weeks on end is a sure fire way to staying mediocre.

Requiem
03-23-2006, 09:40 AM
It doesn't help that Lelie is hardly focused on, or is utilized when in the red zone. If so, Plummer usually has made bad throws.

Odysseus
03-23-2006, 09:48 AM
Here's what I like the most about Moulds: He doesn't drop the ****ing ball!

Oh if only he could through the spirit of Baja Fan reach out to the football grave of the player formerly known as Watts.

fontaine
03-23-2006, 09:50 AM
It doesn't help that Lelie is hardly focused on, or is utilized when in the red zone.

Why do you think that is?

Is Lelie not focused on in the red zone because the coaches, especially Shanahan have some sort of crazy grudge against him and hate Hawaiins in general?

Or is it, you know, actually based on thousands of hours of watching him in practice getting his a$$ beat down at the line of scrimmage?

Short to intermediate routes, especially in the red zone are ALL about timing and anticipation from both the WR and QB. All of that goes out the window if your WR can't get off the line cleanly and consistently.

Yeah, Plummer isn't an all world stud, but the notion that Lelie is not focused on (as opposed to say Kyle Johnson who had 5 receiving TDs last year) is sheer bias.

But don't take my word for it. Just go look at any number of Bronco games. Between the 20's, CBs are content to give Lelie cushion to not give up the long ball.

Once our offense gets in the red zone, CBs step up and jam Lelie more often because he can't just outrun them in a straight line and guess what? Lelie gets jammed pretty easily. He either doesn't know how to use his hands/body to get off the line cleanly or is too lazy to get good at it.

Requiem
03-23-2006, 09:54 AM
I agree that Lelie could be more physical to break jams, but there are certainly times where he has done it, and Plummer has just missed him completely. Which is amazing with a guy Lelie's size and someone who can leap as well as he can.

All I can hope for is the best out of Ashley this year.

You're right on some things, but I'm also right in the fact that we don't use Lelie as well as we should. When friggin' 85% of your routes are deep ones, what else can you expect? Plus, Plummer doesn't really have good touch on the deep ball...

Anyways I'm off to class. Nice talking Fontaine.

bendog
03-23-2006, 09:56 AM
Wait a sec. Shanny's getting criticized for not making a trade that would have Den assuming 10mil in cap for a 33yr old WR? Don't get me wrong, I like Moulds. Miss St guy. But damn, that's dead cap walking. If Buff cuts him, and Den can sign him to a 2 or even 3year old contract with big incentives and low base in the third year, OK.

eddie mac
03-23-2006, 10:01 AM
Wait a sec. Shanny's getting criticized for not making a trade that would have Den assuming 10mil in cap for a 33yr old WR? Don't get me wrong, I like Moulds. Miss St guy. But damn, that's dead cap walking. If Buff cuts him, and Den can sign him to a 2 or even 3year old contract with big incentives and low base in the third year, OK.

We'll not be paying anywhere near $10m this season. Depending on our current cap space, approx $6-$7m I'd say he'll need to re-do his deal with the Bills then get traded to us. Depends whether anyone else wants to give up a draft pick for him. If they dont Mike might hold out until he's released then make a play. Moulds is adamant he wont be a Bill this season and has told the Bills he wont restructure his deal to stay.

Rohirrim
03-23-2006, 10:01 AM
Wait a sec. Shanny's getting criticized for not making a trade that would have Den assuming 10mil in cap for a 33yr old WR? Don't get me wrong, I like Moulds. Miss St guy. But damn, that's dead cap walking. If Buff cuts him, and Den can sign him to a 2 or even 3year old contract with big incentives and low base in the third year, OK.

When I agreed to the idea of bringing in Moulds, I assumed it would be at Shanahan's price. Same as TO. Same as Meshawn. It's not like the Broncos are some kind of hacks that need to beg players to come here. There are benefits to being a Bronco that go beyond money. If Moulds can't see that, let him go shopping.

DBroncos4life
03-23-2006, 10:08 AM
Wait a sec. Shanny's getting criticized for not making a trade that would have Den assuming 10mil in cap for a 33yr old WR? Don't get me wrong, I like Moulds. Miss St guy. But damn, that's dead cap walking. If Buff cuts him, and Den can sign him to a 2 or even 3year old contract with big incentives and low base in the third year, OK.
I think it has more to do with either not responding or the fact that we don't seem to be intrested in him. Sorry he sitll is talented enough to make the O better and he is worth talking too.

fontaine
03-23-2006, 10:09 AM
I agree that Lelie could be more physical to break jams, but there are certainly times where he has done it, and Plummer has just missed him completely. Which is amazing with a guy Lelie's size and someone who can leap as well as he can.

All I can hope for is the best out of Ashley this year.

You're right on some things, but I'm also right in the fact that we don't use Lelie as well as we should. When friggin' 85% of your routes are deep ones, what else can you expect? Plus, Plummer doesn't really have good touch on the deep ball...

Anyways I'm off to class. Nice talking Fontaine.

Yeah, I see your point. Lelie is asked to be a decoy a lot of the times and run deep. That's ok but Plummer isn't consistent on his deep passes so it does make Lelie look bad. It's true that a great QB can make an ordinary WR look great and vice versa. I guess in this case both guys bring out the worst in each other!
:~ohyah!:

anthonypacino
03-23-2006, 10:31 AM
Yes to Moulds, give em a 4th (if we still have one) For the people yelling about his age...How old is TO? Lots of you were on his bandwagon. Moulds wants out of Buffalo, he sees the team's direction and wants out, he stuck through some lean years up there. If he gets the chance to play for a winner, I think he will re-do his contract. He will be a good fit here.

bendog
03-23-2006, 10:41 AM
I think it has more to do with either not responding or the fact that we don't seem to be intrested in him. Sorry he sitll is talented enough to make the O better and he is worth talking too.
We have no idea whether the FO spoke to his agent. At least I didn't get that from the dpo. I got the impression that Den was not going to give up its entire cap space to get him, and they wouldn't need to if he'd take some incentive clauses. He didn't have a good year last year, so the incentives would be in not likely to be earned area, I think. He'd be nice pick up, but damn, it's not like the offense stank last year.

Natedogg
03-23-2006, 11:57 AM
I'd love to see moulds here at a reasonale price as a veteran third wide reciever.

Ooooh wait, I just remembered I said the exact thing for Robert Brooks, Andre Reed, and Jerry Rice. My enthusiasm has dampened a little bit. :confuzzle:

I still want him at a good price though. Been saying it for a while, as well.

bendog
03-23-2006, 12:42 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

look at this career. He's hot/cold/hot/cold wierd.

Natedogg
03-23-2006, 12:55 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

look at this career. He's hot/cold/hot/cold wierd.

I think it probably has to do with the qbs throwing to him more than him. I think hes the best reciever for the job... if he doesnt get greedy.

ludo21
03-23-2006, 12:59 PM
Moulds wants top dollar. He isnt a top WR anymore. Unless he restructures for us, just say no.

DBroncos4life
03-23-2006, 01:02 PM
Moulds wants top dollar. He isnt a top WR anymore. Unless he restructures for us, just say no.
Blah if Lousyman wasnt gay for Evans, Moulds stats would be much better. Still he had 81 catches and 4 tds. He also missed a game too.

Old Dude
03-23-2006, 01:49 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

look at this career. He's hot/cold/hot/cold wierd.

It is odd.

Lets take a look.

Not much impact his first two years, but that's not unusual. Andre Reed was the go-to guy.

Has a big breakthrough year in 1998. Flutie started or played in 13 of the games.

Fell off by about 350 yards in '99, but missed two games with injuries. Still, his ypc average went substantially down that year. Could be that he saw more double coverage after the previous year's performance, especially since Reed's career was winding down at that point.

His stats went right back up again in 2000, even with Rob Johnson getting most of the QB starts.

A huge drop-off in 2001, but the whole team sucked that year, as the Bills went 3-13. Alex Van Pelt got most of the starts, which was probably a factor.

Bledsoe arrives in 2002, and Moulds' stats go right back up. He caught 100 passes that year and 10 TDs.

The stats drop by about 400 yards in 2003, but Moulds once again missed 3 games with injuries. The real surprise is that his TD grabs went from 10 to only 1. Part of that was probably due to Travis Henry, who was emerging as a ground threat, but mostly I think that the Bills were starting to feel the pain on the O-Line. They'd invested an awful lot of their money in the defense, with Adams, Spikes, Clements & Milloy. But Bledsoe was getting creamed.

2004 was a more or less median year for Moulds, with just over 1,000 yards receiving and 5 TDs. Bledsoe was still the QB. The team was still based heavily on the D. But Moulds was healthy and played in all 16 games.

Last year was really an aberration. There was a tremendous QB controversy beween Losman and Holcomb. For whatever reason, Losman was locking on Lee Evans while Holcomb prefered Moulds. Moulds put himself in the middle of that controversy, and I think it's a big reason he's out of there this year.

anthonypacino
03-23-2006, 01:53 PM
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

look at this career. He's hot/cold/hot/cold wierd.
He has been through at least 3 HC's as many OC's What like 4 QB's. Hell even Bledsoe's best days were when he had a stable HC and OC. Take my word, he would be a great fit here, if it doesn't cost too much.