View Full Version : BRONCOS-FALCONS Trade .... Here's Who Won ....
BroncoBuff
03-23-2006, 01:58 AM
The MATHEMATICAL outcome of who won the trade ....
Kaylore has provided the standard draft pick numerical value chart that NFL teams use to evaluate trades, so this is a BIAS-FREE judgment of the trade.
FALCONS GET
2006 First Round #29: . . . . 640 points
2006 Third Round #93: . . . .128
2007 Fourth Round #125 . . . 47
Total Points to the Falcons : 815
BRONCOS GET
2006 First Round #15: . . . . 1050 points
Total Points to the Broncos: 1050
Just like Super Bowl XXXIII .... a blowout.
We won't actually know who won for a couplla years, but this is how the teams figure things .... http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
Kaylore
03-23-2006, 02:05 AM
Great Thread! Where'd you get that awesome link?:D
GreatBronco16
03-23-2006, 02:50 AM
But Vick is the best QB in the NFL........... Or something to that tune.
chrisp
03-23-2006, 03:04 AM
A chart like that has been posted before but this is a link to an external webiste which means we have a chance to actually remember where it is! Thanks for that...
Just goes to show that the Falcons wanted Abraham baaaaad...
Thing is, you look at the stats and the biggest problem Atlanta had last year was stopping the run. They were middles of the pack in terms of sack and INTs, bu t ranked extremely low against the run. You might have thought they woudl have had more interest in getting some big bodies in the middle than in paying 15 mil a year for a pass-rush specialist.....
fontaine
03-23-2006, 03:15 AM
It won't matter squat until we draft someone worth it.
In recent trades we got Bell and Champ from Portis so I guess that was in our favour.
Last year we drafted Paymah, and this year's fourth and 22nd overall for the skins to get Campbell. Hopefully we won't fug it up.
Oh and Karl, STEP IT UP!
Arkie
03-23-2006, 03:29 AM
2007 Fourth Round #125 . . . 47
We don't know the # of our 2007 4th round pick. It wouldn't be valued at 47 points either. Future picks are worth less in equal drafts. This deep draft makes that 2007 pick even less valuable.
BroncoBuff
03-23-2006, 03:48 AM
We don't know the # of our 2007 4th round pick. It wouldn't be valued at 47 points either. Future picks are worth less in equal drafts. This deep draft makes that 2007 pick even less valuable.
Interesting .... next year's pick is less valuable. Makes sense.
Khan and I discussed what draft position to project for next year's pick, btw .... but the difference between fourth round pick numbers 26-29-32 is just 50 - 47 - 44. So it doesn't change much at all. Even if we drop to #20 - its just 16 more points.
Arkie
03-23-2006, 04:01 AM
I think the rule of thumb is to subtract a round for next year to make pick #125 worth about 28 points.
OrangeShadow
03-23-2006, 05:16 AM
thats awesome. Now dont screw up the draft shanny!
Hercules Rockefeller
03-23-2006, 05:47 AM
So what is this, the 10th time someone has posted the trade value chart that fans go by but teams don't to say Denver won the trade?
Mediator12
03-23-2006, 05:57 AM
So what is this, the 10th time someone has posted the trade value chart that fans go by but teams don't to say Denver won the trade?
The chart is a reference for fans and teams. However, just like the real world those picks have different values to different teams.
Maybe some here will finally get why those First round Picks Were SHOPPED to some undisclosed NFC teams. They were Shopped as a precursor to estimate their legit trade value. They were also shopped to see what a future first rounder in 2007 would be worth to other potential trading partners.
This is another shrewd use of resources that the FO has become quite adept at making something out of nothing to the rest of us. You have to offer something to see what the value of it is to somebody else. You will never know if you do not ask!
Multiple picks in this draft are probably carrying extra weight in trade circles since its so deep. Falcons probably had that in mind when they made the move, though I still think its very much in our favor.
fontaine
03-23-2006, 06:43 AM
The chart is a reference for fans and teams. However, just like the real world those picks have different values to different teams.
Maybe some here will finally get why those First round Picks Were SHOPPED to some undisclosed NFC teams. They were Shopped as a precursor to estimate their legit trade value. They were also shopped to see what a future first rounder in 2007 would be worth to other potential trading partners.
This is another shrewd use of resources that the FO has become quite adept at making something out of nothing to the rest of us. You have to offer something to see what the value of it is to somebody else. You will never know if you do not ask!
This is true.
But another factor was the sheer number of draft picks we had available!
Prior to the trade with Atlanta, Shanahan was looking at 8 or 9 draft picks depending on whether we got one or two comp picks. Considering that this team is pretty well rounded off 8-9 rookies weren't all going to make the final cutdown so it made some sense to use our extra picks to move up. Right now we have 5 draft picks + compensation picks. Five of them in the first four rounds.
Garcia Bronco
03-23-2006, 06:44 AM
the 4th next year is worth a 5th this year
BroncoBuff
03-23-2006, 07:02 AM
So what is this, the 10th time someone has posted the trade value chart that fans go by but teams don't to say Denver won the trade?
No .... just the 9th, tough guy. ;D
BroncoBuff
03-23-2006, 07:03 AM
the 4th next year is worth a 5th this year
That's the opposite of what Arkie says ...
Garcia Bronco
03-23-2006, 07:12 AM
That's the opposite of what Arkie says ...
I could be wrong...but it's so rare that it happens. :)
Smiling Assassin27
03-23-2006, 07:59 AM
That trade equation doesn't take into account Abraham so it's not entirely accurate.
Arkansas Bronco
03-23-2006, 08:01 AM
the 4th next year is worth a 5th this year
sorry buff but this is true.
Arkansas Bronco
03-23-2006, 08:02 AM
That trade equation doesn't take into account Abraham so it's not entirely accurate.
well that still has no influence that we came out ahead we didnt have to give up abraham.
DBroncos4life
03-23-2006, 08:28 AM
That trade equation doesn't take into account Abraham so it's not entirely accurate.
The trade also makes Abe worth two first round picks. Culpepper went for a second rounder.
The MATHEMATICAL outcome of who won the trade ....
Kaylore has provided the standard draft pick numerical value chart that NFL teams use to evaluate trades, so this is a BIAS-FREE judgment of the trade.
FALCONS GET
2006 First Round #29: . . . . 640 points
2006 Third Round #93: . . . .128
2007 Fourth Round #125 . . . 47
Total Points to the Falcons : 815
BRONCOS GET
2006 First Round #15: . . . . 1050 points
Total Points to the Broncos: 1050
Just like Super Bowl XXXIII .... a blowout.
We won't actually know who won for a couplla years, but this is how the teams figure things .... http://www.theredzone.org/2005/draft/draftvaluechart.asp
So value wise we got the equlivent of a third round pick for free.
bronco militia
03-23-2006, 10:02 AM
this value chart is for 2005....anyone have one for 2006?
or does it even matter?
Atlas
03-23-2006, 10:45 AM
Last year we drafted Paymah, and this year's fourth and 22nd overall for the skins to get Campbell. Hopefully we won't fug it up.
Denver had the 25th pick last year so they also moved up three spots in the draft.
BroncoBuff
03-24-2006, 03:35 AM
sorry buff but this is true.
Okay .... but why the heck are FUTURE picks worth more than RIGHT NOW picks?! How can that be?
That trade equation doesn't take into account Abraham so it's not entirely accurate.
Well, Abraham is irrelevant to us. This was NOT an actual 'three-way' trade. It was 2 'two-way' trades made simultaneously.
The Broncos and Jets had no connection, and what the Falcons did with the picks we gave them doesn't really matter to us, does it?