nate burleson

[uk bronco]

PFT says the seahawks will be offering him a deal we should totally sign him

[Clockwork Orange]

Nate Burleson = ratings

[fontaine]

PFT says the seahawks will be offering him a deal we should totally sign him

Was he one of the pimp pirates on Dante's love boat?

[meangene]

I like him a lot. But, he is a restricted free agent. I think Minnesota will match any reasonable offer even though they made the lowest tender.

[Hotrod]

I like him a lot. But, he is a restricted free agent. I think Minnesota will match any reasonable offer even though they made the lowest tender.

Yep. I would like to see him on board here but the vikes wont let him go cheap. Of course we could atleast make him an offer and drive up the $ the vikes have to pay to keep him ;D

[Rascal]

Damn were are the seahawks getting all this money.

[broncosteven]

I would rather take a chance on Javon Walker & give up a pick.

We need a guy to replace Rod in a year or 2 not sure this is the guy.

[Dagmar]

Damn were are the seahawks getting all this money.
That computer guy. Allen or something.

[meangene]

Damn were are the seahawks getting all this money.

They may not have as much to spend because I read that the ruling on the clauses in Hutchinson's contract went agains them. That means he has to be the highest paid OL on their team - more than Walter Jones. I read Burleson was going to Houston to meet with the Texans.

[Play2win]

That computer guy. Allen or something.
You mean PAUL ALLEN, co-founder of Micro$oft...

He's actually a pretty cool dude. He made EMP.

The EMP, or Experience Music Project, is a Rock Museum mostly dedicated to Jimi Hendrix. It has all kinds of cool Rock and Roll stuff in their . It has been a few years since I have been there, but its a pretty cool place.

I was Allen's Idea, pretty cool, IMHO...

[Rascal]

They may not have as much to spend because I read that the ruling on the clauses in Hutchinson's contract went agains them. That means he has to be the highest paid OL on their team - more than Walter Jones. I read Burleson was going to Houston to meet with the Texans.

Fact is they resigned Rocky Bernard; signed Peterson, possibly Abraham, Burleson, and Russell Davis.

[HEAV]

Damn were are the seahawks getting all this money.


Cap space can be made. The teams was in the Super Bowl. They want to win now.

I can respect a team that has the win it all mentality. Wish The Broncos had the same attitude.

[Hotrod]

Fact is they resigned Rocky Bernard; signed Peterson, possibly Abraham, Burleson, and Russell Davis.

LOL I just keep telling myself over and over...."In Lang we trust" "In Lang we trust"

[Rascal]

Cap space can be made. The teams was in the Super Bowl. They want to win now.

I can respect a team that has the win it all mentality. Wish The Broncos had the same attitude.

No kidding.

Their defense is going to be unreal next year.

Bernard, Davis, Fisher, possibly Abraham at D-line will be one of the best in the league.

Hill, Tatupu, and Petterson at LB...one of the best in the league.

Herdon, Trufant, Boulware, and Hamlin...one of the top 10 secondaries and with that front they won't have to worry about staying with their WR's for more than 4 seconds.

At offense Nate Burleson combined with a healthy Darrell Jackson is the best WR duo in the league. And with Jeremy Stevens and Alexander thrown in Hasselbeck will have an "O" face for a while just thinking about it.

Find a decent guard in FA or in the second round...damn.

SHANNY THAT IS HOW YOU CONDUCT AN OFFSEASON!!!!

[watermock]

I saw quite a bit of Burly as that's a regional game. Originally a 3rd for GB, can't remember how he wound up in HornHeadville. I can't figure out why they keep dismantling that offense when they have tons of cap room.

Anyway, he's not particuliarly fast, big or strong, he's just one of those guys that seems to always get open and has great hands. I'm sure he had a few drops, but I honestly can't remember one. With Moss gone, he was the #1 and stepped up as best he could. He's worth a tender for sure. Underrated. He's not a star, just a solid performer that gets open with sure hands.

[freak6]

The Vikings are gonna be horrible next year. I don't know how they won so many games with Brad Johnson last year, but I doubt they win more than 4 games this year. Thier draft should be easy, take the best player on the board because we need him.

[Rascal]

The Vikings are gonna be horrible next year. I don't know how they won so many games with Brad Johnson last year, but I doubt they win more than 4 games this year. Thier draft should be easy, take the best player on the board because we need him.

They need WR's but other then that I think their offense is pretty good. Brad Johnson is very underrated. And with a legit coach things should only get better. Koren Robinson is a solid #2, but they need a legit #1 WR which they don't have. Troy Williamson might be it but it's hard to tell.

Defensively they have some holes but still solid.

With their division they should finish second and probably no worse then 7-9.

[Jason in LA]

PFT? You guys know how I feel about that tabloid.

[meangene]

Fact is they resigned Rocky Bernard; signed Peterson, possibly Abraham, Burleson, and Russell Davis.

I didn't think they had actually signed Burleson to an offer sheet yet. I'm not sure they really can now was my point. That was why he was going to talk to Houston. I'm with you, though, I don't know how they could clear enough space to keep Hutchinson and sign Abraham.
:confuzzle

[watermock]

You could do better? yeah he's a hack, but I check in occasionally. He's right more than wrong and speculatative. I don't know how many times I have to explain that he's not a NEWS SOURCE, it a RUMOR MILL and certainly more interesting than Williamson, who reads like the National Weather Service report from yesterday.

The very fact that many of us understand how to interpret his predictions and inuendo, and take a peek shows he's worth at least looking at periodically.

BTW, as we all know...he absolutely hates the Broncos and especially Shanahan, the "Teflon Godfather" of Denver. Well, Mr. Teflon got us home field in the AFC Trophy game. Damn I'm still not over that game. Thought I was, but so damn close and we were injury free to boot going in. I'm not a sore loser tho. Pitt played a virtually flawless game.

[Rascal]

I didn't think they had actually signed Burleson to an offer sheet yet. I'm not sure they really can now was my point. That was why he was going to talk to Houston. I'm with you, though, I don't know how they could clear enough space to keep Hutchinson and sign Abraham.
:confuzzle

I meant to include the possibly with Burleson and Abraham. My bad.

But they did sign Russell Davis.

[watermock]

The puzzling thing is that the HornHeads revamped the D and then tore up the offense. Drafting Williamson at 7 was absurd, and Harris? they got in the trade is a total turd.

They will get to 8-8 but they won't be a serious threat.

[Drek]

SHANNY THAT IS HOW YOU CONDUCT AN OFFSEASON!!!!
Yeah, if you want to get raped in the not so distant future.

Shanahan has kept the Broncos competative his entire tenure here. He got burned on quite a few of his post-SB big money players like IHOP, Carter, Griese, etc.. Can you blame him for now wanting to take a more cap cautious tactic? This FA pool isn't good enough at our areas of need to mortgage our future.

Coach has kept this organization around the top of the NFL for his entire tenure. The FO is just now starting to show some cap shrewdness, and I'd say the last few years have been the closest to rebuilding they want to get. Lets be honest though, the success of '05 came ahead of schedule, and not by just a year. It was clear the FO was testing out Trev, the "Browncos", Putz, Watts, Dayne, Bell, Williams/Foxworth/Paymah, etc.. Its clear that way more of those players passed the test than were expected, so now we're ahead of schedule.

Just because we overachieved and made the AFC Championship game doesn't mean we should throw caution to the wind and spend spend spend however. It was a down season for some perenial powers and we avoided the Colts, lets not get too anxious. A solid '06 draft with a lot of picks will help us improve from '05, even if the record might say otherwise (lets be honest, we got a ton of breaks in the '05 regular season). Then in '07 we'll have most of the pieces in place with good cap flexability, we'll make our move then and send Nalen and Rod out right. Also, this is the NFL, you never know what's going to happen. We found some real diamonds in the rough with Williams and Foxworth last year, if we do that again we'll be back where we were in '05 with an even more dangerous, more experienced, team.

This isn't a time for doom and gloom, its time to appreciate how shrewd the FO has gotten, avoiding overspending on need positions in FA or overpaying our own mediocre players. Shanahan isn't looking to win it one year and tear it down the next, he wants a dynasty like the Pats have had recently, and we're building it in all the right ways.

[Rascal]

Yeah, if you want to get raped in the not so distant future.

And you know the Seahawks are going to get rapped in the future how?

The seahawks almost won it last year in case you missed it, did pretty good the two years before that as well, and with the moves they've made this year should be in contention again.

Yeah definetly not how it's done.


:hitself:

[kirby33]

I would rather go after walker, or even moulds if he becomes available, but i just feel that Lelie is better than buerlson.

[Rascal]

I would rather go after walker, or even moulds if he becomes available, but i just feel that Lelie is better than buerlson.

I'd say they are about the same but Jackson is better then Smith, Stevens is better then any TE we currently have, and Alexander is better then almost anyone in the league.

So I guess we should be grateful that Plummer is 3x the QB hasselbeck is.

[watermock]

Lelie and Burly are totally different styles of player. Burly is a 12 yard in type or out, nothing long at all.

[2KBack]

And you know the Seahawks are going to get rapped in the future how?

The seahawks almost won it last year in case you missed it, did pretty good the two years before that as well, and with the moves they've made this year should be in contention again.

Yeah definetly not how it's done.


:hitself:

didn't they just win their first playoff game in the past 2 decades? There were doing okay, but the taste of the championship has made them lose their mind. They better win it, of course, when did the loser of a superbowl ever come back the next year to win it? Hell the last like 5 superbowl losers haven't even made the playoffs the next season. Prepare to see seattle grounded for another 20 years.

[Rascal]

didn't they just win their first playoff game in the past 2 decades? There were doing okay, but the taste of the championship has made them lose their mind. They better win it, of course, when did the loser of a superbowl ever come back the next year to win it? Hell the last like 5 superbowl losers haven't even made the playoffs the next season. Prepare to see seattle grounded for another 20 years.

And we won our first playoff game since our SB victory.

They know they were close and they've taken the steps to make sure they get it next time.

They've been in the playoffs the past three years...no matter what division they are in they must be doing something right.

And I'll be absolutely shocked if they don't make the playoffs next year as will everybody else. Seattle won't be grounded for another 20 years.

[Paladin]

Yeah, if you want to get raped in the not so distant future.

Shanahan has kept the Broncos competative his entire tenure here. He got burned on quite a few of his post-SB big money players like IHOP, Carter, Griese, etc.. Can you blame him for now wanting to take a more cap cautious tactic? This FA pool isn't good enough at our areas of need to mortgage our future.

Coach has kept this organization around the top of the NFL for his entire tenure. The FO is just now starting to show some cap shrewdness, and I'd say the last few years have been the closest to rebuilding they want to get. Lets be honest though, the success of '05 came ahead of schedule, and not by just a year. It was clear the FO was testing out Trev, the "Browncos", Putz, Watts, Dayne, Bell, Williams/Foxworth/Paymah, etc.. Its clear that way more of those players passed the test than were expected, so now we're ahead of schedule.

Just because we overachieved and made the AFC Championship game doesn't mean we should throw caution to the wind and spend spend spend however. It was a down season for some perenial powers and we avoided the Colts, lets not get too anxious. A solid '06 draft with a lot of picks will help us improve from '05, even if the record might say otherwise (lets be honest, we got a ton of breaks in the '05 regular season). Then in '07 we'll have most of the pieces in place with good cap flexability, we'll make our move then and send Nalen and Rod out right. Also, this is the NFL, you never know what's going to happen. We found some real diamonds in the rough with Williams and Foxworth last year, if we do that again we'll be back where we were in '05 with an even more dangerous, more experienced, team.

This isn't a time for doom and gloom, its time to appreciate how shrewd the FO has gotten, avoiding overspending on need positions in FA or overpaying our own mediocre players. Shanahan isn't looking to win it one year and tear it down the next, he wants a dynasty like the Pats have had recently, and we're building it in all the right ways.

REP!!!!

[2KBack]

And we won our first playoff game since our SB victory.

They know they were close and they've taken the steps to make sure they get it next time.

They've been in the playoffs the past three years...no matter what division they are in they must be doing something right.

And I'll be absolutely shocked if they don't make the playoffs next year as will everybody else. Seattle won't be grounded for another 20 years.


is Denver then doing something wrong? If Shanny was mortgaging Denvers future the way Seattle is I would be pissed. We've never been through Cap Hell with Shanny, yet in that time have won 2 superbowls, played in countless playoff games, and have looked pretty good recently. How much money was thrown around after the 96 upset by jacksonville? This kind of activity is downright madness by seattle, and I certianly hope our staff never goes that route.

[yavoon]

is Denver then doing something wrong? If Shanny was mortgaging Denvers future the way Seattle is I would be pissed. We've never been through Cap Hell with Shanny, yet in that time have won 2 superbowls, played in countless playoff games, and have looked pretty good recently. How much money was thrown around after the 96 upset by jacksonville? This kind of activity is downright madness by seattle, and I certianly hope our staff never goes that route.

will all u shanny apologists hush already. amazing how it was all good when we restructured ppl left and right(which is mortgaging the future) but now that other teams are signing ppl we supposedly wanted we're brilliant.

and the seahawks were 20 million under the cap to start. so they had plenty of room.

[rubaiyat]

And you know the Seahawks are going to get rapped in the future how?

The seahawks almost won it last year in case you missed it, did pretty good the two years before that as well, and with the moves they've made this year should be in contention again.

Yeah definetly not how it's done.


:hitself:

They were 10-6 and 9-7 and lost both playoff games...same as us pretty much. Marginally better last year, losing to the same team we did.

Yeah, they are MUCHO better.

[Drek]

And you know the Seahawks are going to get rapped in the future how?

The seahawks almost won it last year in case you missed it, did pretty good the two years before that as well, and with the moves they've made this year should be in contention again.

Yeah definetly not how it's done.


:hitself:
Didn't say the Seahawks were definately going to get raped, but if we were to approach FA the same way we would. The only way we free up that much money is by renegotiating veteran contracts and making them even more back end heavy. That **** catches up with any team after a while.

Now its entirely possible that the Seahawks have a ton of cap space, but judging by what other wealthy owners have done, and what's known about the salaries currently on the Seahawks roster, I'd be willing to bet they're playing Redskins West. Paul Allen doesn't mind paying out big signing bonuses up front that are then prorated out over a seven year deal. Ever wonder why the Redskins are giving out 6 year deals, or why Peterson, a guy with more health issues than a retirement home, got a seven year deal? Their owners have the money to give a fat signing bonus, but they don't have the cap space, more years results in smaller per year bonus hits, prorated out. Its all well and good until that player needs to be cut, then you have a situation like we had with Trev last year, and what the 'skins were looking at this year with Arrington until he bought his deal out. In both those situations the players saved their team's asses. There are dozens of instances where that doesn't happen however and players stay on a roster well past their prime collecting huge money, a large portion of it being already paid, uncuttable, bonus money.

Sorry if you don't like the FO's preference to run a fiscally responsible ship. I'm guessing you're a big Yankees fan too, since it seems you have a hard on for teams that rely on their owners' fat wallets to cover most of their expenses. I don't see Pat Bowlen doing that any time soon though.

Also, we've had FA in the NFL for quite a while now, how many teams have actually won the SB after throwing around big money in the off-season? Not many, its a team game and thats proven every year.

And the Seahawks aren't exactly a great indicator as to what NFL teams should strive to be. They've been in the playoffs year after year lately because the rest of the NFC West sucks, not because they've consistantly been a great team. Typically they get trounced out. This year though the combination of a bye week and some upsets in the wild card round gave them two WC teams on their way to the SB. How 'bout we see them actually win an SB before we start acting like they're on to something. The Pats have won more than their fair share recently and practice shrewd cap management, much like what we've moved to in the last few years.

[yavoon]

Didn't say the Seahawks were definately going to get raped, but if we were to approach FA the same way we would. The only way we free up that much money is by renegotiating veteran contracts and making them even more back end heavy. That **** catches up with any team after a while.

Now its entirely possible that the Seahawks have a ton of cap space, but judging by what other wealthy owners have done, and what's known about the salaries currently on the Seahawks roster, I'd be willing to bet they're playing Redskins West. Paul Allen doesn't mind paying out big signing bonuses up front that are then prorated out over a seven year deal. Ever wonder why the Redskins are giving out 6 year deals, or why Peterson, a guy with more health issues than a retirement home, got a seven year deal? Their owners have the money to give a fat signing bonus, but they don't have the cap space, more years results in smaller per year bonus hits, prorated out. Its all well and good until that player needs to be cut, then you have a situation like we had with Trev last year, and what the 'skins were looking at this year with Arrington until he bought his deal out. In both those situations the players saved their team's asses. There are dozens of instances where that doesn't happen however and players stay on a roster well past their prime collecting huge money, a large portion of it being already paid, uncuttable, bonus money.

Sorry if you don't like the FO's preference to run a fiscally responsible ship. I'm guessing you're a big Yankees fan too, since it seems you have a hard on for teams that rely on their owners' fat wallets to cover most of their expenses. I don't see Pat Bowlen doing that any time soon though.

Also, we've had FA in the NFL for quite a while now, how many teams have actually won the SB after throwing around big money in the off-season? Not many, its a team game and thats proven every year.

And the Seahawks aren't exactly a great indicator as to what NFL teams should strive to be. They've been in the playoffs year after year lately because the rest of the NFC West sucks, not because they've consistantly been a great team. Typically they get trounced out. This year though the combination of a bye week and some upsets in the wild card round gave them two WC teams on their way to the SB. How 'bout we see them actually win an SB before we start acting like they're on to something. The Pats have won more than their fair share recently and practice shrewd cap management, much like what we've moved to in the last few years.

do u just like to make things up as u go? the pats have been much closer to the cap the last 5 years than the seahawks, the seahawks had 20 million in cap space this off season and made the superbowl. in what galaxy do u find that to be not shrewd?

this is just a reaction to the need to be a shanny apologist, now anyone who signs a player of any value is mortgaging their future.

the pats aren't doing something amazingly "shrewd" the pats are right up against the cap and have to pay for seymour and branch.