What is all the talk of new quarterback in denver about?

[BroncoMan4ever]

I have read through a lot of poss and people keep bringing up that Denver needs to draft a new quarterback for the team. My question to this is, "WHY?" I mean sure on occasion Jake makes sum plays that make you wonder wat the hell was he thinking. But for every 1 of those plays he has 3 plays that only a few QB's in the league could ever do. I mean i think Plummer is a top-5 QB in the league. People seem to think Denver needs to get rid of him and BVP. I think this is bullsh!t, Jake is one of the most athletic QB's in the league. He has a rocket for an arm and can run when he needs to. He isn't a pocket passer, but Denver doesn't have an offense meant for a pocket passer, Denver is all about motion. Play Action, passes on the run, that is a Shannahan offense. Now on the subject of BVP. He is a raw talent. I think in 3 years when Plummer walks away, he will step in and kick ass right away. He is the same type of QB as Plummer and he is a big man like Elway was. He has a cannon for an arm, all he needs is opportunity and a little refinement. Now honestly i think Denver has the QB position set for like the next 10years at least and people should b glad about that. And when Plummer kicks ass and leads the team to the Super Bowl and wins, everybody will say they believed in him all the time, which is crap, only about half of broncos fans are really like that. Also when BVP gets his chance he will do great because he will have had a few years learning the system and he will be ready to go and prove how good he can b. So please people get over all the get a new QB in denver.

[BroncoSoja]

ROFL I stopped reading right about here I mean i think Plummer is a top-5 QB in the league.

And yes I dislike Plummer, but even if I loved the guy noway could I rate him any where near the Top 5...He chokes in to many big games, Top 5 QB's dont do that.

[UKBronco]

He chokes in to many big games, Top 5 QB's dont do that.

See Manning, Peyton. ;)

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Neither Jake nor BVP have cannons for arms, and Denver needs to use a first day pick on a QB this year or next year.

[broncohaven]

Neither Jake nor BVP have cannons for arms, and Denver needs to use a first day pick on a QB this year or next year.
I agree, but think that next year will be the year. Although there are some interesting 2nd day prospects that might be worth a look. Paul Pinegar, Kent Smith, Travis Lulay, Tarvaris Jackson would all be worth a late round pick.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Jake is not a superstar, but he is above average in today's NFL. QB is not the highest priority need, but no player on the team is guaranteed to hold their job. All 53 spots are open to improvement.

[El Guapo]

JP Losman from Tulane would be a GREAT pickup.

[Jason in LA]

I haven't read every last thread, but I wouldn't say that I've seen an outcry to replace Jake in the threads that I have read. There was the Vince Young thread. Nobody said move up into the top 10 to try to grab him. People just said that if he somehow fell really far that we should take him. Some people said to bring in Arron Brooks as a back up.

Maybe I missed something, but I haven't seen anybody say that Plummer needs to be replaced for this up and coming season.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I want a new qb.... to play backup. BVP is not going to win us games if he is called in for several games. We need a reliable qb that can pass (kinda what qb's are suppose to be able to do).

[2KBack]

You never stop trying to improve your team, if the best available athlete is a QB, you take him. Not many see replacing Plummer as a necessity.

[DrFate]

JP Losman from Tulane would be a GREAT pickup.

Both Losman and Harrington are round 1 talents that might improve in a better situation. For the right price either would be a good gamble.

[Taco John]

I I mean i think Plummer is a top-5 QB in the league.



Are you trying to make people wet their pants?

[MajikMan7]

Now on the subject of BVP. I think in 3 years when Plummer walks away, he will step in and kick ass right away.

LOL

If BVP is our starting QB in 3 years we're in trouble.

[Popps]

I mean i think Plummer is a top-5 QB in the league. People seem to think Denver needs to get rid of him and BVP. I think this is bullsh!t, Jake is one of the most athletic QB's in the league. He has a rocket for an arm and can run when he needs to.

He's more like a top 10 QB right now. Actually, he rates out about #7 based on last year's performance.

[yavoon]

See Manning, Peyton. ;)
peyton manning in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown 0 interceptions 0 fumbles

jake plummer in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
18/30 223 yards 1 touchdown 2 interceptions 2 fumbles

[maven]

Now on the subject of BVP. He is a raw talent. I think in 3 years when Plummer walks away, he will step in and kick ass right away.

Hilarious!

[UKBronco]

peyton manning in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown 0 interceptions 0 fumbles

jake plummer in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
18/30 223 yards 1 touchdown 2 interceptions 2 fumbles

Whats your point?

I wasn't calling Plummer a top 5 QB - you're barking up the wrong tree here.

[Crushaholic]

peyton manning in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown 0 interceptions 0 fumbles

jake plummer in teams playoff loss to pittsburgh
18/30 223 yards 1 touchdown 2 interceptions 2 fumbles

Yet, the results are the same. Both teams stayed home Super Bowl Sunday. We went to the Championship game partly because Plummer was playing like a field general directing the offense.

[watermock]

First, it's unfair to put all the blame on jake for a poor performance all around. Yes, he had a bad game, and if you want to compare stats, how about this one...Both Indy and Denver lost. I would put Jake around 8 or so.

Cullpepper and Favre especially didn't exactly light it up did they, but Madden still has his nose up his ass.

Taco had to quiet down when Jake was selected but passed on the ProBowl. It was an injury replacement, but he had a very good year. I see he took a poke at him again. Ha!

BVP will make a good backup if he progresses anything close to last year. As commented earlier, next year, not this year will be the time to break the bank on a QB, or even in two years when Jake starts to slow down. He had a bad game at the worst time, (unless it was the superbowl but I'll take a Hunt Trophey and the excitement leading up to the game)...but so did the entire team. The Defense played poorly as well. Jake didn't give up 21 of 26 third down conversions, many of long yardage.

[yavoon]

Whats your point?

I wasn't calling Plummer a top 5 QB - you're barking up the wrong tree here.

u tried to compare the two. they both played the eventual superbowl champ, and as we can see peyton tried to lead a comeback that fell a little short all while not tanking his team w/ turnovers. whereas jake, well, not so lucky. jake became a turnover machine under the pressure of trying to comeback.

[The Big E]

Yet, the results are the same. Both teams stayed home Super Bowl Sunday. We went to the Championship game partly because Plummer was playing like a field general directing the offense.
True, both teams lost, end of story. Jake isn't as good as Melonhead, but at least he's not afraid to get hit like pussyboy.

The biggest joke is the "0" INT stat line for Manning. Thank you NFL for washing away what should've been a game-clinching INT for Pittsburgh.

Back to the point of the thread, I'm with Jason. I haven't seen a big clamoring for a QB change. I think most are concerned about backup QB, as well as finding Jake's successor, as it is doubtful BVP is really that guy, IMO. If there is an upgrade opportunity, it needs to be looked at, but QB isn't a high priority right now.

[ludo21]

Jake is the man... he is our man for 4 more years at least!!!

But in saying that, i wouldnt mind taking a flyer on a QB in the draft this year so he can start learning.

BVP is a blast to watch, but he is not an NFL QB.

[elletrain]

I think Plummer and BVP will go as far as Shanahan. If Shanahan sticks around for a few more years, so will they. If we get a new coach, I think they'll both be out.
BVP is a decent back up. Not many teams, ever for that matter, have had a backup that would come in and win games. They're expected to not lose games, not necessarily win them. Sure, there are rare occassions, but you get the picture....
I say as long as we run for a couple thousand yards a season, then Jake will be just fine. He's a veteren of the league but he's still learning from his first great coach. He'll be fine. Like Theisman says, he's like a little cutie with pig tails, sometimes he makes you love him and others he just breaks your heart (I can't remember the exact quote).

[broncos love]

I agree, but think that next year will be the year. Although there are some interesting 2nd day prospects that might be worth a look. Paul Pinegar, Kent Smith, Travis Lulay, Tarvaris Jackson would all be worth a late round pick. If the broncos draft Tarvaris Jackson I will puke. I remember when he was at Arkansas for a year and he couldnt complete a pass . I do give him credit for transfering to some division 2 school because he would even be considered a nfl quarterback if he stayed at arkansas because the defense in the SEC is really good and he has no scrambing skills or accuracy.

[UKBronco]

u tried to compare the two. they both played the eventual superbowl champ, and as we can see peyton tried to lead a comeback that fell a little short all while not tanking his team w/ turnovers. whereas jake, well, not so lucky. jake became a turnover machine under the pressure of trying to comeback.

No, you are applying your OWN context to my words.

Manning is a top 5 QB and has a penchant for choking. Thats it, no secret meanings, no hidden truths....thats it......you read something that wasn't there. You brough Plummer into the fold.

Try another tree rover.

[yavoon]

No, you are applying your OWN context to my words.

Manning is a top 5 QB and has a penchant for choking. Thats it, no secret meanings, no hidden truths....thats it......you read something that wasn't there. You brough Plummer into the fold.

Try another tree rover.

I find manning to be one of the best lategame qbs in the nfl today.

[UKBronco]

I find manning to be one of the best lategame qbs in the nfl today.

Absolutely he is - but he had everything in place for him this year, yet he, or someone else maybe, failed to deliver the W when he had HFA and one of the best offensive units in the league around him.

My point was that a top 5 QB (Manning) can choke.

So why try and draw me into an argument regarding Plummer? I never mentioned the guy.

[yavoon]

Absolutely he is - but he had everything in place for him this year, yet he, or someone else maybe, failed to deliver the W when he had HFA and one of the best offensive units in the league around him.

My point was that a top 5 QB (Manning) can choke.

So why try and draw me into an argument regarding Plummer? I never mentioned the guy.

ur response was in response to a comment about plummer. U wanted to equate their choking so I gave an example where manning did well and his team lost and plummer absolutely tanked and his team lost. It was the best example because they played basically the same competition.

[UKBronco]

ur response was in response to a comment about plummer. U wanted to equate their choking so I gave an example where manning did well and his team lost and plummer absolutely tanked and his team lost. It was the best example because they played basically the same competition.

Again wrong.

Mine was a light-hearted comment regarding ONLY THE WORDS I CHOSE TO QUOTE which we're about top 5 qb's choking.

If i'd been responding to the Jake Plummer scenario, i would have left the quote un-edited wouldn't I?

Now please go argue about something that is worth arguing about, and with someone that cares.

[yavoon]

Again wrong.

Mine was a light-hearted comment regarding ONLY THE WORDS I CHOSE TO QUOTE which we're about top 5 qb's choking.

If i'd been responding to the Jake Plummer scenario, i would have left the quote un-edited wouldn't I?

Now please go argue about something that is worth arguing about, and with someone that cares.

I think it is important, all the time on this forum ppl are under the impression that manning is a choke factory and plummer is some valiant warrior capable of saving us from the fire. I figured u were just another one of those ppl, sorry that u were being uber specific about ur "light heartedness."

[Hulamau]

Neither Jake nor BVP have cannons for arms, and Denver needs to use a first day pick on a QB this year or next year.


Yeah Herc ... that "rocket of an arm" comment is a joke!

Jake does do a lot of things well and I'm not ready to dump him by any means, but he does have some serious limitations that force us to curtail some of the key plays in the Bronco arsenal ... starting with a weak ass long ball accuracy. The only time he throws it 50 yards in the air is when he has rolled out and has plenty of time to plant his feet, and he then hurls a hail mary in the general direction of the WR who 8 times out of 10 must make a leaping circus dive or stop and either jump straight up or come back for the ball to attempt to snag it.

Once in a blue moon he hits Lelie or Smith in stride with a long one, but its a rarity and he is much more accurate in the 25 yrds and in range with 30 yrds being about the limit of his true "arm strenght with resonable accuracy" range.

As long as we keep our game plans sufficiently conservative and dont get behind in any games, he does a decent job, but its very hard to make it all the way with that kind of hand tied behind one's back.

I do think its time to start grooming a real successor to Jake . BVP might be that guy but we cant automatically assume taht he will excell when its all his, so one extra serious contender to groom for the long term would be a very wise thing to do.

If Jake goes down this year its a real crap shoot if we win more than a few games after that. BVP really hasnt played much real football in 3 years and while he is definitely getting better, its a big step to suddenly be THE GUY.

[Hulamau]

He's more like a top 10 QB right now. Actually, he rates out about #7 based on last year's performance.


#7 sounds about right last year. And he's got to do it again this year to solidify the impression that he is the new Plummer for real.

[Headless Hessian Rider]

What about harrington , he will be released soon by the lions....

[ND Bronco Fan]

What about harrington , he will be released soon by the lions....


Already did get released............

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2376833

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I do so love these threads...

[Headless Hessian Rider]

Already did get released............

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2376833

That's not yet confirmed :

Although he declined to say whether Harrington had been released, coach Rod Marinelli told reporters Monday: "We've made a decision to move on."

[ND Bronco Fan]

That's not yet confirmed :

Although he declined to say whether Harrington had been released, coach Rod Marinelli told reporters Monday: "We've made a decision to move on."


The sun will come up tomorrow too but until it actually does its not for sure.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5428262

ALLEN PARK, Mich. (AP) - The Detroit Lions parted ways with quarterback Joey Harrington on Monday after four turbulent seasons in which the former third overall draft pick went from franchise savior to fans' scourge.

Coach Rod Marinelli declined to say whether Harrington was released.

"We've made a decision to move on," he said. "At this moment, he's not with us. That's been my decision."


Basically a formality IMO, we'll see I guess though right?