Draft options at DE

[Florida_Bronco]

I haven't really kept up to date on the draft, but who could we realistically end up drafting as far as a speed rushing end?

As it seems now, the Free Agent market is pretty much dry as far as speed rushers go, so it looks like the draft and/or June 1 cuts are our only options for acquiring one.

[DBroncos4life]

I haven't really kept up to date on the draft, but who could we realistically end up drafting as far as a speed rushing end?

As it seems now, the Free Agent market is pretty much dry as far as speed rushers go, so it looks like the draft and/or June 1 cuts are our only options for acquiring one.
I would have to say anyone but Williams could be there at 22 and pretty sure the same could be said about our 29 pick. JMO

[ludo21]

Kiwi, Hali, Lawson are the 3 top ones ive seen for us.

Bunkley is a dream, but he wont fall to us.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Kiwi, Hali, Lawson are the 2 top ones ive seen for us.

Bunkley is a dream, but he wont fall to us.

Come again?

[ludo21]

Come again?


cant catch a break here at all ;D

[watermock]

Expect the unexpected.

[Florida_Bronco]

Kiwi, Hali, Lawson are the 3 top ones ive seen for us.

And these guys are serious speed rushing ends, correct?

[Florida_Bronco]

Expect the unexpected.

Does that mean we should expect you to stop drinking, not post about your cat, and actually put some coherent sentences together? ???

[OrangeShadow]

And these guys are serious speed rushing ends, correct?

Lawson is ,Hali doesnt have great speed while kiwi is more power IMO

[Florida_Bronco]

Lawson is ,Hali doesnt have great speed while kiwi is more power IMO

Sounds like Lawson may be our best bet.

[Lestat]

Kiwi & Hali could fall out of round 1, i'm starting to really like Lawson but i'm affraid he could end up like Jason Taylor v2(Bryant McNeal)he definitely has more talent than McNeal but unless he bulks up he'll likely be a OLB

if he can bulk up to between 260-275 & retain his speed(4.4 or even 4.5) then he could be a beast for Denver with Warren clogging up that middle

[WABronco]

I'd like to see them go for a specialist type DE--Stanley McClover, Kamerion Wimbley, or Manny Lawson.

[DivineLegion]

Kiwi & Hali could fall out of round 1, i'm starting to really like Lawson but i'm affraid he could end up like Jason Taylor v2(Bryant McNeal)he definitely has more talent than McNeal but unless he bulks up he'll likely be a OLB

if he can bulk up to between 260-275 & retain his speed(4.4 or even 4.5) then he could be a beast for Denver with Warren clogging up that middle

If we blow a first on Lawson hopeing he can learn the game of football im gonna go on a shooting spree.

[jebures]

I haven't really kept up to date on the draft, but who could we realistically end up drafting as far as a speed rushing end?

As it seems now, the Free Agent market is pretty much dry as far as speed rushers go, so it looks like the draft and/or June 1 cuts are our only options for acquiring one.


You guys are all talking about DE's, I believe we have a pretty solid 6 in Brown, Ekuban, Engelberger, Lang, and Corey Jackson

DT is more of a priority, we have absolutely no depth there.

[Lestat]

Lawson isn't a project he just need to bulk up, he's sorta like Kearse,Merriman or Ware

the scheme will determine his position, if he plays a 3-4 he'll only need to get to around 250-255, but to play for Denver he'll need to be 260-275 so he can hold up against the run & shed blockers easier


it's pretty much the same with Hali except with Hali it'll just be refining his technique a bit & getting his speed up, but for Denver's scheme Lawson would be better cause he can play DE,OLB & Rush end in alot of sets which gives Coyer more options to bring the blitz with
plus Andre Patterson got the Brownco's to work so i know he's got mad skills & i have faith that just about any talented 1st rounder he'll do magic with(much like Turner with our RB's)

[Odysseus]

DT is more of a priority, we have absolutely no depth there.

I don't worry about depth. We have plenty of depth. I worry about IMPACT. We need a guy who requires a double team next to Warren.

All this talk about getting a DE and zero talk about Corey Jackson? Engleberger?

I know we picked up a scad of CB last year but I don't think we can ever have enough impact CB.

[extralife]

I know we picked up a scad of CB last year but I don't think we can ever have enough impact CB.

Which makes me wonder: if Antonio Cromartie is available at 29, would you guys be opposed to taking him? It might be excessive, but I don't think there's a player slated to go late first/early second with a bigger upside than Cromartie.

[BroncoBuff]

I know we picked up a scad of CB last year but I don't think we can ever have enough impact CB.
Which makes me wonder: if Antonio Cromartie is available at 29, would you guys be opposed to taking him?

I agree with this - in general .... but we still have Paymah and Cox at #4 and #5 CB .... and they seem to love those guys. Do we want to draft to that strength?

I think the best we can hope for is the kinda luck the Chargers had in last year's draft .... getting DEs Shawn Merriman and Luis Castillo both in the first round. They were both big contributors.

[BroncoBuff]

I haven't really kept up to date on the draft, but who could we realistically end up drafting as far as a speed rushing end?

Speed rushing DEs are getting damned expensive the last couppla years: Bertie Berry, Bryce Fisher, Reggie Hayward, and now Andre Carter, Trevor Pryce and John Abraham's deals .... I think we should THANK OUR LUCKY STARS Courtney Brown was a reasonable negotiator ...

As far as DE in the draft, I looked at about 30 mock drafts last night: http://www.hailredskins.com/MockDraft.htm THREE OUT OF FOUR of these mocks have us taking DE Mathias Kiwanuka of BC - most at #22, some even at #29. I mean, it was spooky how five, six, seven in a row had this guy going to Denver. They all say he's a troubled guy, though .... a boom or bust type.

OrangeShadow and Lestat are right though, Tamba Hali tanked his Pro Day really badly .... poor bench press, not heavy enough, slow 40 time, slow shuttle time .... he's seems a good bet to be there at #29.
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Funniest guess I saw in all those mocks? Omar Jacobs - QB from Bowling Green - at 29?! Hello?!?!

[Odysseus]

Which makes me wonder: if Antonio Cromartie is available at 29, would you guys be opposed to taking him? It might be excessive, but I don't think there's a player slated to go late first/early second with a bigger upside than Cromartie.

A CB in the first round means something is really wrong. Anything we pick up in the first round should be on the playing field. It isn't excessive but it would be a very expensive first round pick especially with so many other players still on the board. I would love to have three impact cornerbacks.

[Odysseus]

I agree with this - in general .... but we still have Paymah and Cox at #4 and #5 CB .... and they seem to love those guys. Do we want to draft to that strength?

I think the best we can hope for is the kinda luck the Chargers had in last year's draft .... getting DEs Shawn Merriman and Luis Castillo both in the first round. They were both big contributors.

If there isn't an impact DE on the boards I would prefer a monster DT. If there isn't a monster DT on the boards and there is a strong CB I say get him.

If there is a guy on the boards better than Darrent Williams I say take him. It's not that Darrent is bad or going to settle for playing nickel but if you can have essentially three Champ Bailey types out there I say run with it.

[BritBronco Maniac]

If Cromartie is on the board at no.29, it would be tempting to take him, but it would mean converting him or one of our existing CB's to FS

[Odysseus]

I don't want to start a thread on Brandon Browner but I am curious about his progress.

Did the NFLE list for the Broncos come out. I didn't keep up. My bad!

[Odysseus]

If Cromartie is on the board at no.29, it would be tempting to take him, but it would mean converting him or one of our existing CB's to FS

Curome is already a safety. Drop Roc Alexander. Push Karl Paymah. Foxworth better step up on special teams.

[extralife]

If Cromartie is on the board at no.29, it would be tempting to take him, but it would mean converting him or one of our existing CB's to FS

Cromartie actually has the size to play free safety, so that isn't a bad idea. Maybe we could toy around with all our CBs in training camp and see what happens. Still, I'd like to eventually see a guy with that much talent line up at CB.

[elsid13]

There is a lot of depth in this draft on both lines. I like Kiwi best because of his size, power and speed. He was nicked up most of last year and still had decent senior season. Hali worries me that he might a one year wonder, hope I'm wrong. Lawson is the shooting up of the board because of his workouts, like a certain DE the Philly drafted. I would rather have the DT from NCST then Lawson.

If we go injured Defense back I kinda hoping Denver takes Allen out of Tenn. He speed is back up and plays physical. Cromartie is going to be gone before the 20 pick because it looks like he completely healed.

[broncohaven]

I think there will be a few options at DE with #22. Lawson will be gone imo, but Kiwi/Hali should be available. I think that Hali is the safer bet because of his motor, but Kiwi has a higher ceiling. As for a pure speed rusher, Kamerion Wimbley is at the top of the list, but he's a situational DE for a couple of years.

If we pass on Jason Allen in the first it will speak volumes about what the coaches think of Browner, et al. I think we'll have a new starter at SS next year, and it will be either Browner or a rookie like Allen.

It will be an interesting draft day, because there are a number of directions we could go.

[phibacka31]

I love all of you that mention Cromartie. He is an absolute STUD! He could deffinetly change to S if you wanted him to, also. He has the size and he is damn fast.:strong:

[elsid13]

I love all of you that mention Cromartie. He is an absolute STUD! He could deffinetly change to S if you wanted him to, also. He has the size and he is damn fast.:strong:

I agree, but I think he off the board in the teens and won't be available for the Denver selections. The only FSU product I don't want is WIMBLEY. I think he a LB in the NFL.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Watch out for Anderson from Alabama about round 3. Needs a little muscle, but he is a natural pass rusher.

[Drek]

Kiwi is the best all around DE if you ask me, he'd be my choice, followed by Hali, then Lawson. I wouldn't want to draft one until the 29th pick though since they're all pretty close in skill level, no point to overpay when we can use the 22nd pick for something better.

I'd personally like to trade a first for a 2nd/3rd this year and a 1st next year, then take a DE with the other first and get depth for the whole roster with the rest of the draft, especially at DT, OL, and either Byrd or Fasano at TE.

[eddie mac]

Speaking of Brandon Browner I was browsing through mock drafts and came across one that had him going at No32 last season to New England.

http://www.heardsfootballreport.com/mockdraft.html

32.
NEW ENGLAND
FA BRANDON BROWNER CB OREGON STATE

[Merlin]

I'd personally like to trade a first for a 2nd/3rd this year and a 1st next year
It a team bites, that could be a rather intriguing option, especially if Denver already got the player they wanted, or if they would get it for sure with the 29th (the latter option being better because Denver could surely get a 2nd this yr and 1st in next yr's draft).

[RMT]

Speaking of Brandon Browner I was browsing through mock drafts and came across one that had him going at No32 last season to New England.

http://www.heardsfootballreport.com/mockdraft.html

32.
NEW ENGLAND
FA BRANDON BROWNER CB OREGON STATE

What caused him to not even be drafted?

[Florida_Bronco]

What caused him to not even be drafted?

I believe he was injured, and he also ran a slow 40 time.

[DBroncos4life]

I believe he was injured, and he also ran a slow 40 time.
slow time and he was viewed as raw coming out of college. I think he was a one or two year starter but he did well when he started. He has the talent I just hope he uses it and we have a role for him.

[Florida_Bronco]

slow time and he was viewed as raw coming out of college. I think he was a one or two year starter but he did well when he started. He has the talent I just hope he uses it and we have a role for him.

Same here brother, I got high hopes for him.

[Odysseus]

Cromartie actually has the size to play free safety, so that isn't a bad idea. Maybe we could toy around with all our CBs in training camp and see what happens. Still, I'd like to eventually see a guy with that much talent line up at CB.

I would love to see 4 "starting" CB on this roster. Foxworth should be improved. The jury is out on Paymah.

[24champ]

Manny Lawson is one freak of an athelete, I drafted him in the OM mock draft. Some info on the guy.



Manny Lawson is one of the truly elite athletes in college football. Not only has he found time to play both end and linebacker, he’s also a track standout having competed in the long jump and hurdles during his time at NC St. As a linebacker in 2002, Lawson had 35 tackles, with one of them coming for loss. As a part time starter in 2003, he improved on all his numbers. He totaled 53 tackles, seven for loss, with three sacks. Lawson made the switch to DE in 2004, and became a full time starter for the first time in his career. On the year, he finished with 50 tackles, 12 for loss, and seven sacks. As a senior, Manny put it all together. He finished the season with career highs across the board: 58 tackles, 19.5 for loss, and 10.5 sacks. Lawson is an absolute freak of an athlete. He has excellent agility, closing speed, and jumping ability. Pound for pound, he may also be the strongest player in the draft. There is not a single physical trait he lacks. On the football field, he is an emerging talent. He did not make too many plays early on, but once he moved to defensive end, he started to show his pass rushing ability. His upside is tremendous, and he could be a standout pass rusher at the next level. Lawson is also a standout special teamer.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2006/prospects/manny_lawson.html


http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/MannyLawson2.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/244456.jpg

[Odysseus]

JEEEEZ! I would love for the Broncos to score and get this guy.

[24champ]

NC State sophomore Manny Lawson won the long jump at the 2004 ACC Indoor Track & Field Championships Friday afternoon at Clemson. Lawson, a linebacker and special teams contributor on the NC State football team, competed in the long jump for the first time this season and posted a top mark of 24'03.50". Lawson is the first NC State track athlete to win an ACC crown in the jumps during the indoor season since 1998, and he is only the fourth individual to win the long jump for NC State.

http://gopack.collegesports.com/sports/m-track/spec-rel/022004aaa.html