Would you offer up the Broncos 2nd rounder for Javon Walker?

[Clockwork Orange]

The reason being that it sounds about right to me.

Daunte Culpepper is coming off of a serious knee injury, publicly stated that he wanted out of Minnesota and he was traded for a 2nd round pick. Javon Walker is coming off of a serious knee injury and has publicly stated that he wants out of Green Bay.

So if the asking price was a 2nd rounder, would you fork it over for Walker?

[WABronco]

Heck yea...

[ChampBailey24]

yep considering he is fully recovered

[Clockwork Orange]

Of course this is under the condition that he can pass a physical. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that he can.

[SoCalBronco]

I am worried about that ACL....but a 2nd instead of a first.......umm....Yeah, Id do it, especially since its a late 2nd.

[Jens1893]

id like to throw in some insurance clauses ... acls can be devestating for receivers

[Kaylore]

Of course this is under the condition that he can pass a physical. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that he can.
That goes without saying. I would say yes, yes, and yes.

[Jens1893]

any educated guesses what kind of money walker is looking for?

[ludo21]

a 2nd!! o YEAH!!!!

if we can be guaranteed he is good to go, id be willing to bet part with 29.

[CBF1]

Yes

[Play2win]

3rd rounder...

For personal reasons, It won't make the draft as Fun if we don't have any 2nd rounders...

See if they bite on a 3rd rounder...

[HEAV]

Heres the issue's. He has a salary of 1.1 Mill for 06. The Broncos, much to may dismay, are going cheap again.

06 is his contract year. So the Broncos waould have to try and sign him after 2006. Now that may or may net be possible. Why? Well Ashley is in his contract year.

Do the Broncos want to be in a situation where they are trying to resign both players next off season.

Their a strong chance that 06 may be Rod Smith's final season. So having two guys hitting FA and one retiring could putthe front office in a bind.

A second would be worth it only if Denver could get a long term (3-4 years) deal done with him ahead of the trade.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't know something like that would really slow down the development of Devoe, Adams, and Watts.

[Clockwork Orange]

Heres the issue's. He has a salary of 1.1 Mill for 06. The Broncos, much to may dismay, are going cheap again.

06 is his contract year. So the Broncos waould have to try and sign him after 2006. Now that may or may net be possible. Why? Well Ashley is in his contract year.

Do the Broncos want to be in a situation where they are trying to resign both players next off season.

Their a strong chance that 06 may be Rod Smith's final season. So having two guys hitting FA and one retiring could putthe front office in a bind.

A second would be worth it only if Denver could get a long term (3-4 years) deal done with him ahead of the trade.

That's why you work out a new contract with Walker when the deal is made. He did fire Rosenholdout, he deserves something for that if nothing else.

[Jens1893]

walker wouldnt accept a trade without a new deal

[Killericon]

I'd give up our 2nd first rounder for him.

[HEAV]

would really slow down the development Watts.



Um ya the kid has done enuff of that to himself................ He's cut this summer.

[HEAV]

That's why you work out a new contract with Walker when the deal is made. He did fire Rosenholdout, he deserves something for that if nothing else.

You should have stated that it was part of the trading process. I assumed you only meant trading for him with the current deal in hand.

walker wouldnt accept a trade without a new deal

He can't dictate any right of refusal. He's playing uner his rookie deal. No trade refusal.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Um ya the kid has done enuff of that to himself................ He's cut this summer.

Actually, I think all three DB mentioned will be gone by September.

[HEAV]

Actually, I think all three DB mentioned will be gone by September.


Devoe is loved by the coaching staff.

[Jens1893]

He can't dictate any right of refusal. He's playing uner his rookie deal. No trade refusal.

but he can hold out ...

[2KBack]

but he can hold out ...

No one in their right mind would hold out coming off a serious injury. He would be screwing himself out of millions in value.

[Paladin]

If the Broncos were to trade for Walker, I'd expect Watts to be released. Adams and Devoe have talent and I think they do have a future. Watts is shakey at best. What would be the best is if the Broncos could get Pope or even Lewis at TE. that would give the passing game a real jolt, IMO. The ones need to be for Kiwi and Pope. If it takes a second to get Walker, I guess that's the price, but I'd agree with an earlier statement: offer a third and maybe Watts.

Of course, the Puckers have to agree, but that's not important right now....

[Clockwork Orange]

Of course, the Puckers have to agree, but that's not important right now....

He's stated that he'll retire rather than play for Green Bay again. I'd say they'll be pretty open to trade possibilities.

[DomCasual]

Let me think. YES! I would do it in a heartbeat. In fact, I'd take him over TO, straight up.

[wabbit]

I've heard the offer more than likely would be a third in 2006 & a fourth in 2007...just talking points at this stage, but a second seems a little steep, even for a guy as talented as Walker.

Thing is, he's damaged goods...no-one knows for certain he has completely recovered, and ACLs generally take two years of play & re-hab to strengthen back to 100%...so, a third & fourth seems fair (among the press types at any rate)

[Clockwork Orange]

I've heard the offer more than likely would be a third in 2006 & a fourth in 2007...just talking points at this stage, but a second seems a little steep, even for a guy as talented as Walker.

Thing is, he's damaged goods...no-one knows for certain he has completely recovered, and ACLs generally take two years of play & re-hab to strengthen back to 100%...so, a third & fourth seems fair (among the press types at any rate)

A 3rd & a 4th? Where do I sign?

[Atlas]

HE is definately worth a 2nd rounder. I think it comes down to what his salary demands are. He wanted a lot of money last year and he wants a raise this year. If Denver could reach a decent contract with him it would be a great move for the Broncos.

[SoCalBronco]

A 3rd & a 4th? Where do I sign?

Im glad I wasnt the only one that immediately thought "give me a pen...now!!!!!!!!"

Thats a STEAL!!!!

[bombquixote]

a 2nd? yes.
a 3rd and 4th? hell yes.

[kent156]

do the broncos need another deep threat?

[BroncoMan4ever]

denver does in fact need another deep threat. adding walker would give denver 1 and 1/2 of a deep threat considering Lelie only hangs on to about half of wat is thrown at him. If denver can get Walker at 80% of the talent he had before he messed up his knee. They get a legitamite receiver good for 75catches for 1200yards and 8-10td's. It would add a good weapon to an already good team. And if they can retain Lelie and he matures and hangs onto the ball. They have 3 players who can all contribute in the receiving game. Meaning teams can't double team Rod and leave the number 2 in 1 on 1 coverage. It would more than likely make Denver's offense 1 of the top 3 in the league in points scored. And with a defense that holds opponents to 15 points a game, nobody stops Denver next season.
At the cost of a 2nd rounder, Walker is completely worthy of that.

[Rascal]

I've heard the offer more than likely would be a third in 2006 & a fourth in 2007...just talking points at this stage, but a second seems a little steep, even for a guy as talented as Walker.

Thing is, he's damaged goods...no-one knows for certain he has completely recovered, and ACLs generally take two years of play & re-hab to strengthen back to 100%...so, a third & fourth seems fair (among the press types at any rate)

Uh...DO IT SHANNY!!!

He injured his ACL at the beginning of the year so there is a decent chance he will be able to play once the regular season starts and then ease him in during the year.

[OrangeShadow]

I sure as hell would

[meangene]

Hell yes! He was really blossoming into a top receiver before the injury. Now is the best time to sign him to a long term deal as he should be cheaper coming off the injury. I really think this is Ash's last year in Denver.

[broncohaven]

HE is definately worth a 2nd rounder. I think it comes down to what his salary demands are. He wanted a lot of money last year and he wants a raise this year. If Denver could reach a decent contract with him it would be a great move for the Broncos.
He's lost some leverage with the knee injury, and he'll get a high incentive deal because of it. I would love to see Wlaker in Denver for a 3rd and a 4th. Walker is a nice deep threat, but is an all around good receiver. A guy like that could help this offense a ton.

[Arkansas Bronco]

To me that sound majorly cheap, i know he is hurt but hell edge has had his acl blown out and just got a landslide deal and look at pepper. sometimes you have to risk the injury and take a talented player and i think we should give it a shot.

[gyldenlove]

I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for Walker, he is expensive and a trouplemaker, let green bay try to keep him happy. I think grab stovall now, or make due for a year and take someone next year.

[backup qb]

in a heartbeat

[azbroncfan]

This is probably all speculation and that's what makes the offseason halfway entertaining. Pony up and get this guy while his price is low.

[Drek]

3rd in '06, 3rd-5th in '07 depending on performance is what I'd offer Green Bay.

I'd follow that up by offering Walker a 3 year deal with a $5M signing bonus with a $3M '07 roster bonus if he's proven himself healthy in '06. He's coming off a knee injury and would probably really like some guaranteed money. He'd be a great player to add, thats for sure.

Wabbit, are the Broncos actually talking about him?

[Hercules Rockefeller]

No. Culpepper set the market at a 2nd, Walker has not produced at the same levels as Daunte over his career. But I do want the Broncos to try to get JW.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If the Broncos were to trade for Walker, I'd expect Watts to be released.

No he won't. Watts is dirt cheap, there's no reason to dump him since it won't create any cap room. Short of killing someone, Watts is on this team until at least the first cuts in training camp.

[bloodsunday]

A no-brainer.

[bloodsunday]

A 3rd & a 4th? Where do I sign?
We'll have multiple 3rds with comp picks and 2 #1s and our 2nd. Hell yeah. Make it happen Shanny.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Devoe is loved by the coaching staff.

So was Adrian Madise. Devoe is probably a nice guy who works hard, but he has been kicking around the league for four years and has how many catches? If he is one of the five best WRs on the roster come September 1, great. If there are five with more talent, he's coaching high school in Missouri.

[Florida_Bronco]

denver does in fact need another deep threat. adding walker would give denver 1 and 1/2 of a deep threat considering Lelie only hangs on to about half of wat is thrown at him. If denver can get Walker at 80% of the talent he had before he messed up his knee. They get a legitamite receiver good for 75catches for 1200yards and 8-10td's. It would add a good weapon to an already good team. And if they can retain Lelie and he matures and hangs onto the ball. They have 3 players who can all contribute in the receiving game. Meaning teams can't double team Rod and leave the number 2 in 1 on 1 coverage. It would more than likely make Denver's offense 1 of the top 3 in the league in points scored. And with a defense that holds opponents to 15 points a game, nobody stops Denver next season.
At the cost of a 2nd rounder, Walker is completely worthy of that.

What are you talking about man? Lelie usually catches everything thrown his way and many here (including myself) believe his has better natural hands than Rod Smith.

[bloodsunday]

So was Adrian Madise. Devoe is probably a nice guy who works hard, but he has been kicking around the league for four years and has how many catches? If he is one of the five best WRs on the roster come September 1, great. If there are five with more talent, he's coaching high school in Missouri.
Hard to argue with this. Devoe has shown flashes, but you gotta do it on every down in the NFL. If he gets more consistent there is little doubt he'll be one of our top 5 and should challenge for PT.

[bloodsunday]

What are you talking about man? Lelie usually catches everything thrown his way and many here (including myself) believe his has better natural hands than Rod Smith.
Yeah but Lelie lacks consistency and toughness right now. He makes great catches but seems to disappear on the average play. Maybe, just maybe that a new OC/Passing game cordinator will improve the play of our entire passing game, including Lelie, Devoe, and Terrell. If that happens we might not even need a draft pick/FA.

[bloodsunday]

I've heard the offer more than likely would be a third in 2006 & a fourth in 2007...just talking points at this stage, but a second seems a little steep, even for a guy as talented as Walker.

Thing is, he's damaged goods...no-one knows for certain he has completely recovered, and ACLs generally take two years of play & re-hab to strengthen back to 100%...so, a third & fourth seems fair (among the press types at any rate)
Wabbit, any idea of the likelihood this happens? Is it pure speculation right now or do you think Denver is genuinely considering the idea?

[DBroncos4life]

I don't think you can offer a clear cut 2nd for him. People have already pointed out my reason for it. Im all for offering a pick in next years draft and have it become more should he return to form. Its the only real way to protect the team should he not return to form. JMO. If Wabbit is right then I wonder if a 4th this year and a 4th next year with the chance for it to become more if goals are met would be enough.

[watermock]

I've heard the offer more than likely would be a third in 2006 & a fourth in 2007...just talking points at this stage, but a second seems a little steep, even for a guy as talented as Walker.

Thing is, he's damaged goods...no-one knows for certain he has completely recovered, and ACLs generally take two years of play & re-hab to strengthen back to 100%...so, a third & fourth seems fair (among the press types at any rate)

Like a car crash or train wreck, an ACL varies as well wabbit. You can have a Cullpepper full shred with 3 ligaments AND cartilage. You wind up with bone on bone your done as a WR. I'm not positive but I don't think he shredded everything, not sure tho.

Pepp had a more serious injury...I knew when I saw it he was hurt right away when his leg went pretzel...I was watching it live and was like...oh ****.

I don't know why we are thinking of moving down. I would throw a second to move up to around 10 or certainly throw our second for Walker. This isn't a high second, it's at the end of the round, almost....DAMMIT.

Finally, Walker was hurt in the opener, not like Pepp who was hurt late in the year. ACL's aren't as devestating as in the past if there isn't collateral damage. I guess Pepp has an Edwards type injury.

[Requiem]

Um, in a heart beat. I could see it happening too. If fully recovered, he's better than any WR we could get in the second round anyways.

[-Slap-]

I would trade for him - for whatever compensation the front office felt comfortable giving up - as long as we can sign him for reasonable money. If he wants top ten WR money, he should probably keep walking. If he wants to be paid in the top 20, we could work something out that makes everybody happy.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Heres the issue's. He has a salary of 1.1 Mill for 06. The Broncos, much to may dismay, are going cheap again.

06 is his contract year. So the Broncos waould have to try and sign him after 2006. Now that may or may net be possible. Why? Well Ashley is in his contract year.

Do the Broncos want to be in a situation where they are trying to resign both players next off season.

Their a strong chance that 06 may be Rod Smith's final season. So having two guys hitting FA and one retiring could putthe front office in a bind.

A second would be worth it only if Denver could get a long term (3-4 years) deal done with him ahead of the trade.

I agree with Heav's take on this ...................... that is why I trade a 3rd from '06 and a conditional for '07.
And, please bear in mind what little we have to show from the 3rd round out of the past 10 years (Davis, MOC, ...etc)

[wabbit]

3rd in '06, 3rd-5th in '07 depending on performance is what I'd offer Green Bay.

I'd follow that up by offering Walker a 3 year deal with a $5M signing bonus with a $3M '07 roster bonus if he's proven himself healthy in '06. He's coming off a knee injury and would probably really like some guaranteed money. He'd be a great player to add, thats for sure.

Wabbit, are the Broncos actually talking about him?

I don't wish to be cryptic, but I also don't want to step on any toes either, so bear with me a little on the talk about javon Walker.

Here's the deal...he's contractually bound to Green Bay. He has said he has earned a new deal, and Green Bay, per the policies of virtually every team in the NFL-minus, perhaps Dan Snyder & Washington-has re-stated that he is bound by his contract.

We all know that teams say this, and then...sometimes...give in when truely earned.

Walker has said, short of a new deal, he wants out. He has even said recently he wants out of Green Bay regardless of any new considerations.

At least one call has been made between teams about the availability of Javon Walker & his health.

I cannot say for sure what the response was, but the interest is there.

If Javon Walker knew for certain there was a pot-o'-gold at the end of his hold-out, Green Bay would have no chance at all at talking him down from his perch.

The Packers are trying to talk with Walker & his agent to work something out that works for everybody...preferably...from Green Bay's standpoint...he reports for a all camps & plays for the Pack in 2006.

If, somehow, every negotiation channel was exhausted, the Packers will know who to call, how much they will be compensated and they can move on from there.

That's the story as it sits today...a kind of non-story, but yes, Green Bay knows who they can turn to if all else fails.

[2KBack]

I don't wish to be cryptic, but I also don't want to step on any toes either, so bear with me a little on the talk about javon Walker.

Here's the deal...he's contractually bound to Green Bay. He has said he has earned a new deal, and Green Bay, per the policies of virtually every team in the NFL-minus, perhaps Dan Snyder & Washington-has re-stated that he is bound by his contract.

We all know that teams say this, and then...sometimes...give in when truely earned.

Walker has said, short of a new deal, he wants out. He has even said recently he wants out of Green Bay regardless of any new considerations.

At least one call has been made between teams about the availability of Javon Walker & his health.

I cannot say for sure what the response was, but the interest is there.

If Javon Walker knew for certain there was a pot-o'-gold at the end of his hold-out, Green Bay would have no chance at all at talking him down from his perch.

The Packers are trying to talk with Walker & his agent to work something out that works for everybody...preferably...from Green Bay's standpoint...he reports for a all camps & plays for the Pack in 2006.

If, somehow, every negotiation channel was exhausted, the Packers will know who to call, how much they will be compensated and they can move on from there.

That's the story as it sits today...a kind of non-story, but yes, Green Bay knows who they can turn to if all else fails.


And along comes Wabbit to talk people off the ledge again.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Are you sure Walker wants out if it means receiving throws from Jake? sorry to be so negative, but Lelie should be much better than Walker and Jake has a hard time getting the long ball to him. Lelie should have 5-8 more receptions on the year with +/-30 more yards per grab on each ball if Jake could have honed it in a little.

[broncosteven]

I don't wish to be cryptic, but I also don't want to step on any toes either, so bear with me a little on the talk about javon Walker.

Here's the deal...he's contractually bound to Green Bay. He has said he has earned a new deal, and Green Bay, per the policies of virtually every team in the NFL-minus, perhaps Dan Snyder & Washington-has re-stated that he is bound by his contract.

We all know that teams say this, and then...sometimes...give in when truely earned.

Walker has said, short of a new deal, he wants out. He has even said recently he wants out of Green Bay regardless of any new considerations.

At least one call has been made between teams about the availability of Javon Walker & his health.

I cannot say for sure what the response was, but the interest is there.

If Javon Walker knew for certain there was a pot-o'-gold at the end of his hold-out, Green Bay would have no chance at all at talking him down from his perch.

The Packers are trying to talk with Walker & his agent to work something out that works for everybody...preferably...from Green Bay's standpoint...he reports for a all camps & plays for the Pack in 2006.

If, somehow, every negotiation channel was exhausted, the Packers will know who to call, how much they will be compensated and they can move on from there.

That's the story as it sits today...a kind of non-story, but yes, Green Bay knows who they can turn to if all else fails.

Even if it took Walker a year to recover he would be nice to have when Rod retires. This is a cheap trade to make, the contract would be the hard part to work out.

[BritBronco Maniac]

I would take the 3rd/4th offer in a heart beat, if we signed him to a reasonable contract.

If GB want more than a 3rd, it would have to be conditional on playing time, and therefore in next year's draft.

[Merlin]

Lelie should have 5-8 more receptions on the year with +/-30 more yards per grab on each ball if Jake could have honed it in a little.
How many receivers in the history of the NFL have hit that mark; i.e. 55 receptions and ~30 yds per catch?

[2KBack]

Are you sure Walker wants out if it means receiving throws from Jake? sorry to be so negative, but Lelie should be much better than Walker and Jake has a hard time getting the long ball to him. Lelie should have 5-8 more receptions on the year with +/-30 more yards per grab on each ball if Jake could have honed it in a little.

If jake can't throw the ball, how do you explain Rod's #s or even Ash's from last year? The deep game was off this past season, but was clicking the year before.

[rubaiyat]

If jake can't throw the ball, how do you explain Rod's #s or even Ash's from last year? The deep game was off this past season, but was clicking the year before.

Because Jake was going noob Madden the year before...tossing a lot of balls deep or past tough coverage (hence the high numbers), but also getting picked a lot. If the numbers from last year is all you can get for keeping Jake from giving away games, so be it, but I suppose it is a concern.

[Rascal]

Looking at TO's contract I'm guessing Walker won't be happy unless he has something at least comparable to that.

10 mil first year
8 mil second year
7 mil third year

[watermock]

I would suggest you look at actual stats.

Madden still has his nose up Favre's ass even tho he threw 29 picks.

[rubaiyat]

I would suggest you look at actual stats.

Madden still has his nose up Favre's ass even tho he threw 29 picks.

Eh??

I'm talking the penchant of rookie Madden players just dropping back and launching a ball into coverage leading to a knocked down pass most of the time, long gains every once in a while and equally likely a pick.

It has nothing to do with Jake specifically in Madden, just that partially the reason for his big time numbers from 2 years ago was that he was launching the ball, often times into coverage.

[2KBack]

Because Jake was going noob Madden the year before...tossing a lot of balls deep or past tough coverage (hence the high numbers), but also getting picked a lot. If the numbers from last year is all you can get for keeping Jake from giving away games, so be it, but I suppose it is a concern.

Gotta watch the games to judge that sort of thing man, Jake's picks from 2004 rarely came on deep balls. If you have the opportunity, go back and watch some of his iffy games from that season, a vast majority of his picks came on passes of 15 yards or less. The problem with airing it out like that, is when it is incomplete the offense is put into a hole. Shanny played it more convservative this season to sustain drives, improve TOP, and keep his defense rested to attack.

[rubaiyat]

Gotta watch the games to judge that sort of thing man, Jake's picks from 2004 rarely came on deep balls. If you have the opportunity, go back and watch some of his iffy games from that season, a vast majority of his picks came on passes of 15 yards or less. The problem with airing it out like that, is when it is incomplete the offense is put into a hole. Shanny played it more convservative this season to sustain drives, improve TOP, and keep his defense rested to attack.

That's more a factor of most of his passes being shorter than 15 yards. I mean that stat where most car accidents happen within 5 miles of home is misleading, cause most of your time driving can be traced to being within 5 miles of home. He cut down the INT's by simply not forcing passes, but that cut into his bite in the vertical attack.

[2KBack]

He cut down the INT's by simply not forcing passes, but that cut into his bite in the vertical attack.

That is partially true. Denver passed less this past season, and the average per attempt was lower. Most people have assumed this has something to do with Jakes decisions, but watching the type of offense we ran this season, I've think that the offense was reoriented to a heavy rushing attack and shorter passes. Jakes decision making and the big play passing game I think are completely seperate issues.

[azbroncfan]

That is partially true. Denver passed less this past season, and the average per attempt was lower. Most people have assumed this has something to do with Jakes decisions, but watching the type of offense we ran this season, I've think that the offense was reoriented to a heavy rushing attack and shorter passes. Jakes decision making and the big play passing game I think are completely seperate issues.

Don't forget Denver was in the lead more and didn't have a lot of games with garbage yards like the atlanta game the year before.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Denvers average passing yards per game : 200 w/27min avg time of possession

Opponent average passing yards per game : 310 w/32 min avg time of possession

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE HERE!!! Even with our prolific rushing game we still did not dominate the score board or the time of posession - it was our more than lucky turnover margin that kept us in lots of games. When the defense didn't get the turnovers - we LOST (see the difference between the Pats and Steelers postseason games) or won an ugly game.

C'mon Mike - it pains me to watch you put yourself at the mercy of a 'luck' stat.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Denvers average passing yards per game : 200 w/27min avg time of possession

Opponent average passing yards per game : 310 w/32 min avg time of possession

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE HERE!!! Even with our prolific rushing game we still did not dominate the score board or the time of posession - it was our more than lucky turnover margin that kept us in lots of games. When the defense didn't get the turnovers - we LOST (see the difference between the Pats and Steelers postseason games) or won an ugly game.

C'mon Mike - it pains me to watch you put yourself at the mercy of a 'luck' stat.

See Az's post number 70

[sirhcyennek81]

Denvers average passing yards per game : 200 w/27min avg time of possession

Opponent average passing yards per game : 310 w/32 min avg time of possession

SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE HERE!!! Even with our prolific rushing game we still did not dominate the score board or the time of posession - it was our more than lucky turnover margin that kept us in lots of games. When the defense didn't get the turnovers - we LOST (see the difference between the Pats and Steelers postseason games) or won an ugly game.

C'mon Mike - it pains me to watch you put yourself at the mercy of a 'luck' stat.


Dude, what are you on? You keep harping on skewed playoff stats. Bucs allowed 25 passing yards, I suppose that means their pass defense is allworld? Did you even look over the whole course of the year? We led in TOP, and got thrown on 613 times. Next nearest team got thrown on 580. This team WON 14 games last year, we dont need a total team overhall, we don't need a 1st round running back. We need tweaks, and I am betting with a new offensive coordinator, that happens. Chill out.

:Broncos:

:Broncos:

[Drek]

Looking at TO's contract I'm guessing Walker won't be happy unless he has something at least comparable to that.

10 mil first year
8 mil second year
7 mil third year
No way, TO was a annual lock for the pro bowl before his blow up last year, and his health isn't in question, he's just an attitude problem. Walker has real health concerns coming off an ACL and has only a few good seasons under his belt, catching passes from a HOF QB. He won't see close to TO money, whom the Cowgirls overpaid for.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Don't forget Denver was in the lead more and didn't have a lot of games with garbage yards like the atlanta game the year before.

It's amazing that the fact that they were in the lead would comfort or be thrown out to rebuff anyone - I've never been so amazed at a teams lack of will to close the opposing team out.
'Heya mikey were up by 17 with 10 minutes to go - how much time can the offense burn up on 3 and outs to get us a win?'
Denver's defense won many of the 2005 games and I'd love to see the stats for how much time the defense spent on the field in the late 3rd and 4th quarters of the seasons games. Our offense struggled last year in closing the game out, the struggled on 3rd downs with an average of 36% completion percentage. Complacency is gonna kill our season. Our 2005 schedule was patti-cakes compared to the 2006 season - there is a black storm on the horizon and this time it's not all at home.

We had tough games last year that we were able to find a way to win:
Chargers, Redskins, New England (we held on like wimps), Giants (lost b/c offense couldn't get a first down in the 4th qtr), at Dallas (Dayne train's great run), Baltimore (won be 2 pts).

It's about time luck was on our side for a season with little/minor injuries and a whole lot of home cooking versus some tough teams - have you seen our 2006 schedule?

at Home - Indy, Seattle, Cincy, and Trev/Mike come with the Ravens
Away - New England, Pitt, SD, and KC

These are the 8 games that will decide our fate in '06.

[sirhcyennek81]

It's amazing that the fact that they were in the lead would comfort or be thrown out to rebuff anyone - I've never been so amazed at a teams lack of will to close the opposing team out.
'Heya mikey were up by 17 with 10 minutes to go - how much time can the offense burn up on 3 and outs to get us a win?'
Denver's defense won many of the 2005 games and I'd love to see the stats for how much time the defense spent on the field in the late 3rd and 4th quarters of the seasons games. Our offense struggled last year in closing the game out, the struggled on 3rd downs with an average of 36% completion percentage. Complacency is gonna kill our season. Our 2005 schedule was patti-cakes compared to the 2006 season - there is a black storm on the horizon and this time it's not all at home.

We had tough games last year that we were able to find a way to win:
Chargers, Redskins, New England (we held on like wimps), Giants (lost b/c offense couldn't get a first down in the 4th qtr), at Dallas (Dayne train's great run), Baltimore (won be 2 pts).

It's about time luck was on our side for a season with little/minor injuries and a whole lot of home cooking versus some tough teams - have you seen our 2006 schedule?

at Home - Indy, Seattle, Cincy, and Trev/Mike come with the Ravens
Away - New England, Pitt, SD, and KC

These are the 8 games that will decide our fate in '06.

Every team has tough games. We won most of ours...because we were better then the other team. We did not have to throw 40 times a game, because our run game was that dominant. Only Pittsburgh ran it more often last year then we did. We were a good team in 2005. We have not lost anyone that cannot be replaced, so we will more then likely have a good 06. Like every other team in the league, we have some holes, and we need to fill them. DE, S, G, TE. I think a big time TE can be just as game changing as any WR. Don't stress so much and let everything play out.

:Broncos:

[Atlas]

Dude, what are you on? You keep harping on skewed playoff stats. Bucs allowed 25 passing yards, I suppose that means their pass defense is allworld? Did you even look over the whole course of the year? We led in TOP, and got thrown on 613 times. Next nearest team got thrown on 580. This team WON 14 games last year, we dont need a total team overhall, we don't need a 1st round running back. We need tweaks, and I am betting with a new offensive coordinator, that happens. Chill out.

:Broncos:

:Broncos:

No sense in arguing with him. Why waste your time???

[Vegas_Bronco]

Dude, what are you on? You keep harping on skewed playoff stats. Bucs allowed 25 passing yards, I suppose that means their pass defense is allworld? Did you even look over the whole course of the year? We led in TOP, and got thrown on 613 times. Next nearest team got thrown on 580. This team WON 14 games last year, we dont need a total team overhall, we don't need a 1st round running back. We need tweaks, and I am betting with a new offensive coordinator, that happens. Chill out.

:Broncos:

:Broncos:

So the regular season is all that matters? I'd love to be the next Colts team- win every game of the year and lose out in the playoffs.

No, no, see, the postseason revealed a huge weakness in this team - our offense couldn't run with the big boys and we lost when our defense couldn't come through with turnovers. I agree that we do not needed a total team overhaul - just some significant inserts and I do agree that a new offensive coordinator should hopefully develop at least 1 or 2 caliber WRs from a pool of 10 -12 athletes.

We need tweaks and it needs to happen on offense as you agree. I just don't chill-out when it comes to Bronco football, it's the players who decide the game not the coach, Lombardi 101. We need some more difference makers on offense and that IS the change I'm begging for.

[sirhcyennek81]

No sense in arguing with him. Why waste your time???

I even broke it down for him in another thread. So much work...

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

So the regular season is all that matters? I'd love to be the next Colts team- win every game of the year and lose out in the playoffs.

No, no, see, the postseason revealed a huge weakness in this team - our offense couldn't run with the big boys and we lost when our defense couldn't come through with turnovers. I agree that we do not needed a total team overhaul - just some significant inserts and I do agree that a new offensive coordinator should hopefully develop at least 1 or 2 caliber WRs from a pool of 10 -12 athletes.

We need tweaks and it needs to happen on offense as you agree. I just don't chill-out when it comes to Bronco football, it's the players who decide the game not the coach, Lombardi 101. We need some more difference makers on offense and that IS the change I'm begging for.


Yes, because ONE game in the playoffs determines how bad this team is. Steelers beat us, because they made us do uncharacteristic things, which is what we did to New England the week before. You really do need to calm down. You discount an entire season of work, because of one game.

:Broncos:

[Vegas_Bronco]

I even broke it down for him in another thread. So much work...

:Broncos:

link?

[sirhcyennek81]

link?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=1027030#post1027030

:Broncos:

[watermock]

We went 14-4 and lost to the eventual champions. We were all dissapointed but we made too many mistakes and didn't properly account for Porter. I keep telling this board you beat the 3/4 by going double TE then moding one to the slot (Putz) so a backer has to move or you just leave him there.

All QB's struggle if they are getting hard pressure. Coyer should of known that Pitt's D was formidable...Hell, they were 15-1 in 04 and Big Ben was down for three of their losses.

Jake picked a bad time to have an off day, but it was a team loss as well. DW getting hurt didn't help and Foxy was exposed as the rookie he was. He didn't get toasted like Alexander in 04, but that's not Pitt's style.

Coyer went back to his old tendencies and didn't man up, playing the corners 10 yards off.

[azbroncfan]

It's amazing that the fact that they were in the lead would comfort or be thrown out to rebuff anyone - I've never been so amazed at a teams lack of will to close the opposing team out.
'Heya mikey were up by 17 with 10 minutes to go - how much time can the offense burn up on 3 and outs to get us a win?'
Denver's defense won many of the 2005 games and I'd love to see the stats for how much time the defense spent on the field in the late 3rd and 4th quarters of the seasons games. Our offense struggled last year in closing the game out, the struggled on 3rd downs with an average of 36% completion percentage. Complacency is gonna kill our season. Our 2005 schedule was patti-cakes compared to the 2006 season - there is a black storm on the horizon and this time it's not all at home.
We had tough games last year that we were able to find a way to win:
Chargers, Redskins, New England (we held on like wimps), Giants (lost b/c offense couldn't get a first down in the 4th qtr), at Dallas (Dayne train's great run), Baltimore (won be 2 pts).

It's about time luck was on our side for a season with little/minor injuries and a whole lot of home cooking versus some tough teams - have you seen our 2006 schedule?

at Home - Indy, Seattle, Cincy, and Trev/Mike come with the Ravens
Away - New England, Pitt, SD, and KC

These are the 8 games that will decide our fate in '06.

I agree with somethings you say but how the hell can you tell how hard a scheldule is going to be? Last year was suposed to be the hardest schedule that Denver has ever had to play and it was a good test but there are alot of injuries and teams that destruct before you can tell how hard the schedule will be.

[Vegas_Bronco]

Yes, because ONE game in the playoffs determines how bad this team is. Steelers beat us, because they made us do uncharacteristic things, which is what we did to New England the week before. You really do need to calm down. You discount an entire season of work, because of one game.

:Broncos:

BS - we sure as hell were in character and did you go to both games?, did the Steelers call the plays for us?, did they injure anyone?, did we not get 3 downs to go 10 yards - it's just that we dropped all 3-4 ints that Big Ben offered up. The same offense was on the field for both games, one that puttered along making good when the defense gave them an unbelievably short field vs. the Patsies and then falling apart on their own merits vs. the Steelers - I'm calling for changes on offense as it wasn't our OFFENSE who was the difference maker in the amazing 2005 season, nor were they in the postseason nor will it be next season. Do you see the rhythm, a trend in our shortcomings? Maybe I should look back at our successes and be still - bright side and all but then who goes forward looking back? The reason for the excitement is due to the fact that we should be winning a SB this next year and we are soooooo close and in need of 2-3 playmakers to make it happen and yet everyone's price was either too high for the Broncos or we made fools out ourselves for chasing players that now know Denver is a bargain hunter. So, I'll just sit back and watch - while my fav team becomes fools gold.

[sirhcyennek81]

BS - we sure as hell were in character and did you go to both games?, did the Steelers call the plays for us?, did they injure anyone?, did we not get 3 downs to go 10 yards - it's just that we dropped all 3-4 ints that Big Ben offered up. The same offense was on the field for both games, one that puttered along making good when the defense gave them an unbelievably short field vs. the Patsies and then falling apart on their own merits vs. the Steelers - I'm calling for changes on offense as it wasn't our OFFENSE who was the difference maker in the amazing 2005 season, nor were they in the postseason nor will it be next season. Do you see the rhythm, a trend in our shortcomings? Maybe I should look back at our successes and be still - bright side and all but then who goes forward looking back? The reason for the excitement is due to the fact that we should be winning a SB this next year and we are soooooo close and in need of 2-3 playmakers to make it happen and yet everyone's price was either too high for the Broncos or we made fools out ourselves for chasing players that now know Denver is a bargain hunter. So, I'll just sit back and watch - while my fav team becomes fools gold.


Patience. Off season in long, and arduous. Chill out, and quit your bitching.

:Broncos:

[Vegas_Bronco]

Broncos allowed 227 pass yards per game. They allowed QB's to complete 56.1% of their passes (3rd in the NFL) Opposing QB rating was 72. That's 4th in the NFL. Our secondary was thrown against 613 times. Thats the most in the NFL. In total YPG allowed, we were 15th in the NFL, with 312.9. We allowed 16.1 PPG. Tied for 3rd with...Pittsburgh.

GREAT - I agree with our defense is AMAZING!!! This defense has taken 3-5 years to build and it is amazing - lets flip the coin now.

On offense, we averaged 201.7 YPG Passing. Broncos QB's completed 60% of their passes, and had a rating of 88. We also attempted 465 passes. In total offense per game, we averaged 360.4 TYPG. That was 5th in the NFL. Our offense scored 24.7 ppg. That was 7th in the NFL.

Play action and bootleg increased our QB ratings, Jake is also more aware of the system and the system aware of Jake. We may have had 24.7 ppg but that was not ALL offense, some of those came from a stalwart D and some pic-sixes. You need to study true offensive stats like: yard per play, time of possesion and the almighty third down percentage. Our offense is good - no question, but is only 1 TE and 1 WR away from being amazing.

These are regular season stats, i believe what you posted was post season, even tho I have no clue where you got 616 from. If you check the den-pitt stat line, the two teams were similar. Except in a single category: Turn-overs. They had 4, we had 0.

616 was gross yards per game including special teams - I think the average was boosted by the Patsies going Nintendo with their passing game in game 1. The point is we just didn't have anything to combat their potent offensive comeback and the difference would have shut the announcers and postgame BS that incurred. I'm looking for domination from this team and until we get it on offense, well, we'll be settling for playoff appearances with no rings.

It is a long offseason, tru that, but boy we sure got a slow start, hopefully, we have an amazing draft similar to the FA period we had last year when we brought in Gold, Dayne, resigned Putz, resigned Trev, Saurbrun, the Browncos, Engelberger, etc (now that's how you get it done). Let's hope we get another Foster, DJ, Wilson or Lelie and not a Middlebrooks, Oneal, or Nash.

I appreciate the commentary and your rebuffs - it's what the OM is about and I don't consider any of it b-itching - just good fun banter and conversing.

[sirhcyennek81]

Not worried about the future of our passing game. Our OC was a receivers coach, who helped turn McCaffrey and Smith into all pros. I am actually more excited about the level of depth in this years draft then anyone we could bring in for free agency. Lot of good players out there, and I am hoping 10 of them become successful Broncos. Have to remember, the steelers made the bengals and the colts look rediculous. We were not the only team to lose to them at home. Compared to the other playoff squads, we are not in too bad shape. We could be the raiders or the chiefs, for heaven's sake

:Broncos:

[maher_tyler]

I agree we should trade for Walker for the 2nd rounder, before he got hurt he was the man and was a good deep threat. I've read on a few threads that we need a S...Ferguson was our better S last year look at the stats. Not sure why we would go after a different S unless we were looking to replace Lynch in the future...thats my opinion on that issue. As for RB, maybe draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th round, i think Bell can be a great back if he stays healthy, hes not exactly the smallest back at 5-11 213lbs and he has lightning speed to hit the holes...Imo we should draft a TE with our 22nd or 29th picks and/or a DE, imo those are our biggest needs and wouldn't doubt it if thats what we did with those picks. FA isn't always the best way to fill the needs of a team...look at the Skins a few years ago when they signed sanders, bruce smith and prolly some others...its about team chemistry not having a team full of all stars...i wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs or lost in the first round...any team can win on any given sunday and injuries can happen to key players...most of the teams who win or go to the super bowl have a top 10 defense and have had barely any injuries to key players. Anyway my first post and expressing my opinion so nobody freak out, peace!

[meangene]

I agree we should trade for Walker for the 2nd rounder, before he got hurt he was the man and was a good deep threat. I've read on a few threads that we need a S...Ferguson was our better S last year look at the stats. Not sure why we would go after a different S unless we were looking to replace Lynch in the future...thats my opinion on that issue. As for RB, maybe draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th round, i think Bell can be a great back if he stays healthy, hes not exactly the smallest back at 5-11 213lbs and he has lightning speed to hit the holes...Imo we should draft a TE with our 22nd or 29th picks and/or a DE, imo those are our biggest needs and wouldn't doubt it if thats what we did with those picks. FA isn't always the best way to fill the needs of a team...look at the Skins a few years ago when they signed sanders, bruce smith and prolly some others...its about team chemistry not having a team full of all stars...i wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs or lost in the first round...any team can win on any given sunday and injuries can happen to key players...most of the teams who win or go to the super bowl have a top 10 defense and have had barely any injuries to key players. Anyway my first post and expressing my opinion so nobody freak out, peace!

You and I are on the same page on all the above. That makes it a great post! :rofl:

[GSRelyea]

Walker plotting departure
<Mar. 23> The Packers opened their offseason workout program this week, but Walker was missing in action, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports. The wide receiver has reportedly ired a real-estate agent and will have his Green Bay home up for sale very soon.
Walker has made it clear that he has no desire to ever play another game for Green Bay. Even if the Packers were to offer Walker a lucrative contract, he would not consider returning.

"If I had to go back there, I'd retire," Walker told ESPN.com's Michael Smith. "I don't have to play. I really have no interest in being in a Green Bay Packers uniform or playing for Green Bay again."

The Packers have expressed disappointment with Walker's stance and have thus far denied his request for a trade. The club issued a statement that read, in part: "During his time as a Green Bay Packer, Javon Walker has been well thought of by everyone here. I like Javon, certainly as a person and as a player. That said, Javon is under contract ... and we expect him to honor it ... I don't anticipate us making any concessions in this matter."

Walker is entering the final year of a five-year, $6.7 million contract. He underwent reconstructive knee surgery Oct. 7 in Houston to repair a torn anterior cruciate ligament and torn meniscus cartilage.

Because Walker is damaged goods, the Packers might be fortunate to get even a mid- to late-round pick in return. However, his base salary of $650,000 would be attractive for any team.

[ludo21]

what is Walkers beef with the team again?? I really cant remember it anymore. Sounds to me like he is a crybaby.

[WpgBronco]

My perception is that he wants out for two reasons, the first being he thought he should get a new deal after his Pro-Bowl season and the second being that I just don't think he was ever really happy to play for Green Bay in the first place. It sounds like he just wants out. If that's the case bring him in here soon.

Usually these guys just need a change of scenery, a change would do Mr. Walker wonders, especially with a nice mountain view.

[chaz]

what is Walkers beef with the team again?? I really cant remember it anymore. Sounds to me like he is a crybaby.


no reason to blame him for wanting to be paid for what he does, what he does really really well...he plays hard and makes plays, never was a distraction except for when gb swallowed their wallet...

make the trade get him a new contract and watch him return to pro bowl status, making our offense click again

[azbroncfan]

Walker for a second or third is a steal because if he heals from the injury and was in this draft he would be the best reciever and if you can get the best player in the draft with a 2nd rounder pull the trigger.

[ludo21]

no reason to blame him for wanting to be paid for what he does, what he does really really well...he plays hard and makes plays, never was a distraction except for when gb swallowed their wallet...

make the trade get him a new contract and watch him return to pro bowl status, making our offense click again


I thought he was crying for no reason. I see his point now tho. But he has got to realize that NO team is going to pay him on past work (2 years ago).

He is damaged goods and will get paid as such till he proves otherwise.

If the Packers change their minds, id be willing to give them a 3rd rounder (Wabbit info)

[Rascal]

Trade our fourth for him (we don't have a third remember) and then give him a incentive based contract where if he performs like he did two years ago he will be on of of the top 10 paid WR's. Each year in the contract is dependent upon the previous year. So if he sucks this year his contract sucks next year, but if he blows up this year his contract next hear reflects that, and then if he sucks that year the following year his contract reflects that.

Not sure they can do that though....actually I'm pretty sure they can't.

[Willynowei]

I think the answer is a close no.

Javon is a WR, not a QB so a knee injury is much more relevant to his performance here. Along with this, he is a WR, not a QB; to give you an idea of how much a WR is worth, TO was traded to baltimore for a 3rd and then to the eagles for a 2nd (He was a nuisance in SF but only the last year or so did it get bad and no one knew he would do the same with his next team at the time, so his value was extremely high at the time).

Certainly, with all these in mind, Javon Walker is not worth a 2nd rounder concerning his contract... But with all that said, Denver 2nd round draft pick is #63 overall, and is basically an early 3rd and therefore, the choice could go either way. Still, JW is a WR, and as desperate as we are for one, i vote no on that one UNLESS he shows very good progress in recovery.

[Drek]

what is Walkers beef with the team again?? I really cant remember it anymore. Sounds to me like he is a crybaby.
He started to hold out last year, was called out by Favre, which is the Green Bay equivalent of having Jesus descend before you in church, point directly at you, and yell "JUDAS"!

He caved on his hold out, was in camp, tore his ACL, and has been recovering since. He claims he now no longer wants to be in Green Bay because the fans still treat him like ****, ever since Favre stuck his nose in his contract business.

Can't say that I much blame him, Green Bay fans are pretty hardcore riders of the Favre cocktrain, much like John Madden, wouldn't surprise me a bit if they're a bunch of assholes to him now for a percieved slight (holding out) to Favre, since Favre was potentially in his last year and Walker wasn't 100% concerned with what was best for Favre over all else, like everyone else in Green Bay.

Regardless, no, I wouldn't give a #2 for him. Coming off an ACL typically is indicative of weak legs for the following season, not something I'm willing to surrender a second rounder for, especially in this nice deep draft.

Now if the Pack really want to talk we could work something out, like our 22nd overall pick for their '07 first, Walker, and a situational '07 middle rounder depending on how Walker plays in '06, ranging from a 3rd if he's non-existant, to a 5th if he's his old stud self. Getting a little creative there though and I'm not sure a team with as bleak an '07 outlook as the Pack (especially if Favre doesn't come back) would want to tie up their '07 first in a trade this year. Be a fun deal to throw out there though. :)

[rubaiyat]

I think the answer is a close no.

Javon is a WR, not a QB so a knee injury is much more relevant to his performance here. Along with this, he is a WR, not a QB; to give you an idea of how much a WR is worth, TO was traded to baltimore for a 3rd and then to the eagles for a 2nd (He was a nuisance in SF but only the last year or so did it get bad and no one knew he would do the same with his next team at the time, so his value was extremely high at the time).

Certainly, with all these in mind, Javon Walker is not worth a 2nd rounder concerning his contract... But with all that said, Denver 2nd round draft pick is #63 overall, and is basically an early 3rd and therefore, the choice could go either way. Still, JW is a WR, and as desperate as we are for one, i vote no on that one UNLESS he shows very good progress in recovery.


I agree, having said something similar on the topic.

I wouldn't be against packaging our 4th or Washington's with a player, or a conditional pick next year though. If he bounces back, then we have an ace #2 or even mid level #1 WR...if not, his contract is up and we can drop him...

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If he bounces back, then we have an ace #2 or even mid level #1 WR...if not, his contract is up and we can drop him...

89 1382 15.5 12

If comes anywhere near those numbers again, that's more than a mid-level #1.

[rbackfactory80]

89 1382 15.5 12

If comes anywhere near those numbers again, that's more than a mid-level #1.

Thats with a Qb who airs it out 2 out of every 3 downs.

[-Slap-]

Good call, Clockwork.

Looks like Javon was a popular choice among Maniacs back in March and he's gone on to meet or exceed all expectations.

Imagine if he had an NFL quarterback throwing to him.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/1736/aaajwwc4.jpg

[watermock]

I didn't go thru the thread, but he's not in a contract year. He's got his pudding and all is well.

[Clockwork Orange]

Cutler to Walker has a very nice ring to it. :thumbs:

[broncocalijohn]

I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for Walker, he is expensive and a trouplemaker, let green bay try to keep him happy. I think grab stovall now, or make due for a year and take someone next year.


PAGE 2 This guy has one post and this is it. From Denmark. You think he should have just lurked and not spoken out? Great pull bringing this one back up. Now i am finding if i posted but im sure I said hell yes. We will see....

[Killericon]

I'd give up our 2nd first rounder for him.

:D

[CBF1]

Cutler to Walker has a very nice ring to it. :thumbs:

I have to get me one of them away jersey's :)

[Popps]

Walker was a no-brainer. As I said back at the time, I would have traded a FIRST rounder for him.

[Garcia Bronco]

Bring back Anthony Miller....lol

Javon has been great. I expect it to be even better when Cutler gets going.

[Kaylore]

Here's the nay-sayers. Actually some of their reasons are pretty logical...some. And half of them aren't even really saying "nay" so much as saying "well I'd have some concerns I'd need addressing."

Of course some of you were just so wrong, it's hilarious.;D


no way
I wouldn't give up a 2nd rounder for Walker, he is expensive and a trouplemaker, let green bay try to keep him happy. I think grab stovall now, or make due for a year and take someone next year.

No. Culpepper set the market at a 2nd, Walker has not produced at the same levels as Daunte over his career. But I do want the Broncos to try to get JW.

I don't think you can offer a clear cut 2nd for him. People have already pointed out my reason for it. Im all for offering a pick in next years draft and have it become more should he return to form. Its the only real way to protect the team should he not return to form. JMO. If Wabbit is right then I wonder if a 4th this year and a 4th next year with the chance for it to become more if goals are met would be enough.

I would trade for him - for whatever compensation the front office felt comfortable giving up - as long as we can sign him for reasonable money. If he wants top ten WR money, he should probably keep walking. If he wants to be paid in the top 20, we could work something out that makes everybody happy.

Are you sure Walker wants out if it means receiving throws from Jake? sorry to be so negative, but Lelie should be much better than Walker and Jake has a hard time getting the long ball to him. Lelie should have 5-8 more receptions on the year with +/-30 more yards per grab on each ball if Jake could have honed it in a little.

I would take the 3rd/4th offer in a heart beat, if we signed him to a reasonable contract.

If GB want more than a 3rd, it would have to be conditional on playing time, and therefore in next year's draft.

what is Walkers beef with the team again?? I really cant remember it anymore. Sounds to me like he is a crybaby.

I think the answer is a close no.

Javon is a WR, not a QB so a knee injury is much more relevant to his performance here. Along with this, he is a WR, not a QB; to give you an idea of how much a WR is worth, TO was traded to baltimore for a 3rd and then to the eagles for a 2nd (He was a nuisance in SF but only the last year or so did it get bad and no one knew he would do the same with his next team at the time, so his value was extremely high at the time).

Certainly, with all these in mind, Javon Walker is not worth a 2nd rounder concerning his contract... But with all that said, Denver 2nd round draft pick is #63 overall, and is basically an early 3rd and therefore, the choice could go either way. Still, JW is a WR, and as desperate as we are for one, i vote no on that one UNLESS he shows very good progress in recovery.

[-Slap-]

Here's the nay-sayers. Actually some of their reasons are pretty logical...some. And half of them aren't even really saying "nay" so much as saying "well I'd have some concerns I'd need addressing."

Of course some of you were just so wrong, it's hilarious.;D

How was I wrong?

What I said, was exactly what came to pass.

Originally Posted by -Slap-
I would trade for him - for whatever compensation the front office felt comfortable giving up - as long as we can sign him for reasonable money. If he wants top ten WR money, he should probably keep walking. If he wants to be paid in the top 20, we could work something out that makes everybody happy.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I don't know something like that would really slow down the development of Devoe, Adams, and Watts.
Hilarious!

[sirhcyennek81]

Whoa...this was a solid thread.

:Broncos:

[Man-Goblin]

Sure, I'll trade a 2nd round pick for Walker. I also think we should trade up in the first round to draft Jay Cutler (he's going to be good, I'm tellin ya). Also, stay away from reaching for a TE in the 2nd round when all the good ones are already taken. I also think we should cross our fingers that that Dumervil guy falls to us in the 4th round. He may be small, but he has long arms and could be a steal! That is all. ;)

[Popps]

Here's the nay-sayers. Actually some of their reasons are pretty logical...some. And half of them aren't even really saying "nay" so much as saying "well I'd have some concerns I'd need addressing."

Of course some of you were just so wrong, it's hilarious.;D

Hey, I won $100 for charity off of those nay-sayers... at least those posts weren't a total waste of time.

It really was baffling to read the opposition to bringing this guy in. But, we all hit some and miss some. Even one of our firsts would have been justified. This one just seemed like such a no brainer....

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=40973

[Popps]

89 1382 15.5 12

If comes anywhere near those numbers again, that's more than a mid-level #1.

It's funny, too... because even the people who reluctantly said yea to the Walker idea were totally opposed to giving up a first for him, and then if we DID... the "we can't pay anyone" crowd started in with their chants.

This guy has clearly, without question been the most important player on this offense. He has made the biggest play in 4 out of our 5 wins. (Offensively)

Doesn't matter, you'll STILL have people saying he wouldn't have been worth a first rounder... even though he'll probably end up out-performing ANY first round picks this year and probably next.

The fact that we got this premium player for a 2nd rounder is just icing on the cake.

[freak6]

Also, stay away from reaching for a TE in the 2nd round when all the good ones are already taken.

6 games in and now we should stay away from him. What did the TEs do last week again?

DOH

[Kaylore]

How was I wrong?

What I said, was exactly what came to pass.

You weren't. :)

[Kaylore]

Whoa...this was a solid thread.

:Broncos:

It wsa pretty funny watching you and Vegas go at it for two pages.

[Man-Goblin]

6 games in and now we should stay away from him. What did the TEs do last week again?

DOH
T.Scheffler
REC 0
YDS 0
TD 0
LG 0

??? . I'm just saying it would be nice to see SOMETHING from him.

[Kaylore]

T.Scheffler
REC 0
YDS 0
TD 0
LG 0

??? . I'm just saying it would be nice to see SOMETHING from him.

He was benched in favor of Nate Jackson.

[Man-Goblin]

He was benched in favor of Nate Jackson.

Yeah, I expected at least Putz-like production from the TEs this year, and frankly I think it's one of the biggest things holding this offense down.

[0SE7EN]

Considering that Denver was probably going to take Chris Jackson in the 2nd round, if NE didn't swoop in and take him, I'm happier with this choice. Walker is a proven WR regardless of the injury, whereas a rookie WR is always a risk, and Denver's history picking WR in the draft hasn't been so great in the past. Can we say "Marcus Nash?"

[Clockwork Orange]

Considering that Denver was probably going to take Chris Jackson in the 2nd round, if NE didn't swoop in and take him, I'm happier with this choice. Walker is a proven WR regardless of the injury, whereas a rookie WR is always a risk, and Denver's history picking WR in the draft hasn't been so great in the past. Can we say "Marcus Nash?"

I assume you mean Chad Jackson. Chris Jackson is the artist currently known as Mahmoud Abdul Rauf.

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/nba/2005/0916/photo/g_abdul_rauf_195.jpg