V for Vendetta Thread (No spoilers until Sunday)

[Taco John]

This thread will contain no story spoilers unitl 12:00am on Sunday Morning. I appreciate your cooperation. If you do not comply, there will be reprocussions. (Not really reprocussions, but if you saw this movie, you'd think that my wry humor there is top shelf... but seriously... don't be a jerk... :thumbs: )


Because this movie is going to be a cultural sensation much like the Matrix was when it came out, I figured I'd start the thread after having seen the movie Thursday night. I don't choose to go to the movies too often, as they're usually not worth my time or money, but on occassion, the stars line up right and I have just the right amount of free time to watch just the right movie. And this was that.

I want to preface this by saying that, with much due thanks to my commercial-hopping TIVO, I am fairly unconnected to the hype that might have surrounded this movie, so I don't know if people are already oversaturated by it. I've caught bits and peices here and there but it never really captured my attention. Like any movie, if you go in oversaturated in its hype, you're going to be disappointed. That said, there is going to be a LOT more hype coming. The sooner you see it, the better, IMO. It's definitely an "event movie" that is worth seeing in the theatre.

The story was quite compelling, and presented some incredibly challenging themes. There is little doubt that the protagonist was a monster, and yet it's challenging not to find yourself very sympathetic to him, and even his methods. He's the embodiment of the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" and he takes you for a ride that you won't soon forget...

Remember that mind-bending moment in the first Matrix movie when you came into full grasp of the premise. It pulled you into the movie as if one of the machines reached out and grabbed you and threw you into that world. The Wachowski Brothers have done it again, but not with a sci-fi concept. They did it with the very real world idea of "liberty."

There are going to be people who absolutely hate this movie. Oh man are they going to hate it. They'll call it stupid. Not worth watching. Maybe even Anti-Bush propoganda. Whatever they call it, the ideas that they pull out in this movie are incredibly and awesomely relevant to the time.

Natalie Portman was her usual brilliant self. After her over-exposure in the Star Wars films, its good to finally see her in the hands of some capable script writers. She delivered her dialogue truthfully and with all the effectiveness that you would expect from someone who has been doing this since she was a little girl. And while her face is the human face that you see the most of in this show, she is without a doubt a supporting actor to the real star of the show...

Hugo Weaving (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0915989/) is a genius. You never see his face, but he delivers an incredible, almost hypnotic performance nonetheless. His character is like Zorro on steroids. With the expressive Guy Fawkes mask he wears, you'd think that it would become irritating rather quickly, however Hugo manages to keep the character fresh and interesting, delivering profound dialogue, witty prose, and incredibly challenging ideas. Surely he will get some recognition for his effort. He was superb.

Overall, I think this is a movie that will probably skew younger, which to me is satisfying, given my thoughts on the message that the movie delivers. I consider myself politically a Libertarian who finds little comfort in the current offering of so-called political choices. I found this movie very satisfying to my libertarian ideals.

Go see this one. It's worth the ticket. Forget the popcorn. It will only get between you and the movie...

[Taco John]

I wanted to add one more thing...

It's funny to me that before the movie, there was a preview for the upcoming Superman movie, and I thought to myself: "That couldn't happen today. In this day and age, a hero like Superman would get laughed out of the theatre if he were introduced on the scene for the first time. People don't want supernatural superheroes... they want the genuine article..." Then I thought, "I wonder what kind of hero people would accept today." Then the next preview came and I didn't think about it again until now...

Little did I know that I was about to go on a thrill ride that put that notion to the test. I'm looking forward to hearing what anybody else who saw this movie thought of it.

[kent156]

so why 12am sunday?

[Crushaholic]

I'm really looking forward to seeing this movie. The previews and the hype have grown on me big time...

[baja]

I almost never watch TV (except Sopranos) so I have not heard the hype. I do love to go to the movie theater and since I am in San Diego I will go this afternoon. Thanks for the teaser TJ.

[Jori]

I'm going to see it tonight on the IMAX screen. I haven't been to the movies in a couple of months, really looking forward to this one.

[Ray Finkle]

This thread will contain no story spoilers unitl 12:00am on Sunday Morning. I appreciate your cooperation. If you do not comply, there will be reprocussions. (Not really reprocussions, but if you saw this movie, you'd think that my wry humor there is top shelf... but seriously... don't be a jerk... :thumbs: )

You never see his face, but he delivers an incredible, almost hypnotic performance nonetheless.


THAT'S A SPOILER.....BAN HIM:rofl:

[alkemical]

i would like to go see it this weekend. It's right up my alley for movie plots/stories.

[-Slap-]

Thank God a film maker finally did justice to the work of Alan Moore.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I won't go see it but I haven't liked very many movies based on comic book heroes (characters).

Has Hollywood run out of original ideas?

[Ray Finkle]

Thank God a film maker finally did justice to the work of Alan Moore.


what you mean L.E.G. wasn't a good movie?;D

[baja]

Thank God a film maker finally did justice to the work of Alan Moore.

You've seen it then?

[DarkHorse30]

pass.

[Mile High Shack]

enjoy the movies now TJ, when that baby comes, you'll be renting most of your movies ;)

[Old Dude]

The thing that concerns me ...

1. I'm a big fan of Alan Moore's writing (though he has kind of a weird world-view, that I won't go into here.)

2. He's disavowed connection with this film. Why, I'm not sure.

3. I read the original "V for Vendetta" and I could certainly see how this could be controversial, but I wonder how much has been changed. It's also worth pointing out that the comic book was published a number of years ago. Without giving away any spoilers, certain aspects of the plot could take on a whole different context today.

I'll definitely try to see it this weekend, regardless.

[MajikMan7]

I love Natalie Portman, this movie looks sweet, I can't wait to see it.

[Ray Finkle]

The thing that concerns me ...

1. I'm a big fan of Alan Moore's writing (though he has kind of a weird world-view, that I won't go into here.)

2. He's disavowed connection with this film. Why, I'm not sure.

3. I read the original "V for Vendetta" and I could certainly see how this could be controversial, but I wonder how much has been changed. It's also worth pointing out that the comic book was published a number of years ago. Without giving away any spoilers, certain aspects of the plot could take on a whole different context today.

I'll definitely try to see it this weekend, regardless.


Check out IMDB's forum in V....it has an interview with Moore

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/board/thread/38648139

[Taco John]

I can't wait to see it again to see what little things I might have missed.

[ludo21]

TY TJ for the spoiler, and when someone does write a spoiler, please edit the thread title for us all.

I havent seen much hype on it, i dont like commercials. I will be seeing it now thanks to you.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Thank God a film maker finally did justice to the work of Alan Moore.

Funny, Moore has taken his name off the film which he claims the Wachowskis have turned from an ambiguous story of anarchy vs. fascism into an allegory of the American Right (Evil) vs. the American Left (Good).

[Taco John]

Funny, Moore has taken his name off the film which he claims the Wachowskis have turned from an ambiguous story of anarchy vs. fascism into an allegory of the American Right (Evil) vs. the American Left (Good).



I think that's an oversimplification of the movie. I definitely disagree that it is promoting anarchy. That's not the case at all.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I think that's an oversimplification of the movie. I definitely disagree that it is promoting anarchy. That's not the case at all.

Not my words/sentiments but Moore's. He called the movie 'rubbish'.

[Dagmar]

V for Vendetta looks GOOOOD.

Y'know what doesn't look good?
"Snakes on a plane."
It's all there in the title.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417148/

Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aAkHGCuQT4&search=snakes%20on%20a%20plane

Samuel L Jackson. Why?
WHY?!?

[Taco John]

Not my words/sentiments but Moore's. He called the movie 'rubbish'.



You got a link? I'd be curious to read it.

[Spider]

I doubt I will see this movie ........... But then you guys are a step ahead of me I never read comic books , so I have no idea what this is about ...........I didnt see Titanic cause I knew how it would end , I saw the first Matrix and decided that was enough , I still havent seen war of the worlds ... I guess I am just too finicky about movies .......1 man saves the world gets the girl ......... Can get the same effect from a B western

[ludo21]

I doubt I will see this movie ........... But then you guys are a step ahead of me I never read comic books , so I have no idea what this is about ...........I didnt see Titanic cause I knew how it would end , I saw the first Matrix and decided that was enough , I still havent seen war of the worlds ... I guess I am just too finicky about movies .......1 man saves the world gets the girl ......... Can get the same effect from a B western


you know you liked Brokeback Mountain ;D

War of the Worlds was garbage.

[Swedish Extrovert]

[B][COLOR=red]
Natalie Portman was her usual brilliant self. After her over-exposure in the Star Wars films, its good to finally see her in the hands of some capable script writers. She delivered her dialogue truthfully and with all the effectiveness that you would expect from someone who has been doing this since she was a little girl. And while her face is the human face that you see the most of in this show, she is without a doubt a supporting actor to the real star of the show...



I'm impressed with Natalie Portman. A Harvard grad. She was brilliant in Garden State. I saw her on John Stewert.... she is very well spoken, intelligent, and a great actor. I've seen cuter girls though. I'd still date her.

About the Libertarian principal... Im libertarian.... in the sense that Bill Mahr is a libertarian. Im against corperate and social welfare, feminism, privatization of social security, I'm "pro-death" (Euthenasia, Abortion, Death Penalty), complete social freedom, and all that good stuff. But I am for income redistribution through higher taxation of the wealthy, animal rights, and envrionmentalism (just thought I'd through it out there).

If this movie takes on a political agenda as such, then I see the libertarian party seeing some interest in the next election. Enough republicans have turned from Bush that it might become a viable party.

I havent seen that much hype for it, but then again I hardly watch TV (aside from the Daily Show, South Park, and the Simpsons). But if it has the political agenda that you claim it to have and all the supposed hype, I can see it becoming an important film.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I doubt it will become a "cultural sensation." It's based on a comic book. The Matrix was original.

That being said, I can't wait to see it.

[Smiling Assassin27]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/movies/12itzk.html?ex=1142830800&en=77da7b0702551ea0&ei=5070&emc=eta1


i'll try to dig up the other stuff as well.

[Taco John]

About the Libertarian principal... Im libertarian.... in the sense that Bill Mahr is a libertarian. Im against corperate and social welfare, feminism, privatization of social security, I'm "pro-death" (Euthenasia, Abortion, Death Penalty), complete social freedom, and all that good stuff. But I am for income redistribution through higher taxation of the wealthy, animal rights, and envrionmentalism (just thought I'd through it out there).


I really don't want to get into it here, but you can't effectively be a libertarian and be against the privitization of social security. You can't be libertarian if you are for selective taxation. You aren't describing a libertarian, but rather a liberal.

[Taco John]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/movies/12itzk.html?ex=1142830800&en=77da7b0702551ea0&ei=5070&emc=eta1


i'll try to dig up the other stuff as well.



Hmmm... sounds like he doesn't want to have anything to do with even his own works.


But if Mr. Moore had his way today, his name would no longer appear on almost any of the graphic novels with which he is most closely associated. "I don't want anything more to do with these works," he said in a recent telephone interview, "because they were stolen from me — knowingly stolen from me."

[DarkHorse30]

I really don't want to get into it here, but you can't effectively be a libertarian and be against the privitization of social security. You can't be libertarian if you are for selective taxation. You aren't describing a libertarian, but rather a liberal.

You kinda brought it up. My definition of a libertarian is somebody that can't really make up their mind about anything.

[Smiling Assassin27]

http://comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2153

[Taco John]

You kinda brought it up. My definition of a libertarian is somebody that can't really make up their mind about anything.



Not at all. But this is a commonly held misconception about Libertarians, along with too many to name here. I'd be happy to talk about it in the politics forum if you're interested in learining what Libertarianism is really about.

You *did* describe what Rush Limbaugh wants you to believe about Libertarians... So at least there's that.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I really don't want to get into it here, but you can't effectively be a libertarian and be against the privitization of social security. You can't be libertarian if you are for selective taxation. You aren't describing a libertarian, but rather a liberal.

I mean to say I'm FOR privatation of social security. I added that in and didnt see the context.

[Broncos Rule]

I have tickets for V on IMAX tonight..

Is anyone selling the masks yet? If not - that's quite the missed entrepreneurial opportunity.

If someone's hawking 'em outside the theater tonight - I'll probably bite.

[DarkHorse30]

Not at all. But this is a commonly held misconception about Libertarians, along with too many to name here. I'd be happy to talk about it in the politics forum if you're interested in learining what Libertarianism is really about.

You *did* describe what Rush Limbaugh wants you to believe about Libertarians... So at least there's that.

feel free to group anybody in whatever box you like....it is your board. Discussing politics is a waste of time.

[Broncos Rule]

You kinda brought it up. My definition of a libertarian is somebody that can't really make up their mind about anything.

Oh, Libertarians have made up their minds - they know what they want alright - it's just not practical.

[Taco John]

Liberty is only as practical as those who participate in it.

[Broncos Rule]

Touche'.

Looking forward to "V"..

[Rascal]

TJ,

The documentary "Why We Fight" is being released nationwide today BTW.

The wife is gone so I'm going to try and see both these movies.

[Taco John]

TJ,

The documentary "Why We Fight" is being released nationwide today BTW.

The wife is gone so I'm going to try and see both these movies.



I saw that! I've been digesting some of the clips for the last couple of weeks...

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html

After the intro, click on some of the clips along the side and the bottom.

I've actually just purchased the Eisenhower biography. In fact, it should arrive today from Amazon!

[Rascal]

I saw that! I've been digesting some of the clips for the last couple of weeks...

http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.html

After the intro, click on some of the clips along the side and the bottom.

I've actually just purchased the Eisenhower biography. In fact, it should arrive today from Amazon!

Yeah I looked at the website looks like it should be an interesting documentary at the very least.

Funny you mentioned his biography as I was thinking about ordering it as well. LOL!

[Crushaholic]

I have tickets for V on IMAX tonight..

Is anyone selling the masks yet? If not - that's quite the missed entrepreneurial opportunity.

If someone's hawking 'em outside the theater tonight - I'll probably bite.

If they time the DVD release just right, they could cross-promote it with Halloween masks...hmmm...

[bombquixote]

If they time the DVD release just right, they could cross-promote it with Halloween masks...hmmm...

and you, sir, would be a capitalist.

[baja]

I almost never watch TV (except Sopranos) so I have not heard the hype. I do love to go to the movie theater and since I am in San Diego I will go this afternoon. Thanks for the teaser TJ.

I am at a lost for words.

This is a work of art on so many levels.

It's so comforting to know there are people out there like the Wachowski Brothers doing work like this. Genius is a word thrown around loosely these days but this work defines the word. i can't say all that I want because I want to honor the spoiler request. I would be a crime to spoil this movie so rarely does a work such as this come along. On so many levels this is a great great movie. I am so very interested to see how Americans will respond to this film. I will be waiting until Sunday to discuss this further.....

[baja]

I won't go see it but I haven't liked very many movies based on comic book heroes (characters).

Has Hollywood run out of original ideas?

Trust me Bro you of all people want to see this movie. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[baja]

The thing that concerns me ...

1. I'm a big fan of Alan Moore's writing (though he has kind of a weird world-view, that I won't go into here.)

2. He's disavowed connection with this film. Why, I'm not sure.

3. I read the original "V for Vendetta" and I could certainly see how this could be controversial, but I wonder how much has been changed. It's also worth pointing out that the comic book was published a number of years ago. Without giving away any spoilers, certain aspects of the plot could take on a whole different context today.

I'll definitely try to see it this weekend, regardless.

I would be very surprised if you did not appreciate this film. It is anything but a comic book movie too much to ponder, level after level for some.

[baja]

Funny, Moore has taken his name off the film which he claims the Wachowskis have turned from an ambiguous story of anarchy vs. fascism into an allegory of the American Right (Evil) vs. the American Left (Good).

Right VS Left..... My ass - go see the movie and tell me that and God I hope that is not the reaction this gets.

[baja]

I doubt I will see this movie ........... But then you guys are a step ahead of me I never read comic books , so I have no idea what this is about ...........I didnt see Titanic cause I knew how it would end , I saw the first Matrix and decided that was enough , I still havent seen war of the worlds ... I guess I am just too finicky about movies .......1 man saves the world gets the girl ......... Can get the same effect from a B western

Spider you need to see this film, I mean really! :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

[baja]

Not my words/sentiments but Moore's. He called the movie 'rubbish'.

I did not read the book but the movie is far from rubbish

[baja]

I went to the 1:00 PM showing at La Jolla Village AMC thearters when the film ended I ducked into the ajoining thearter to catch part of a 2:00 PM showing and when the next showing on the first screen started I moved back to that and watched V a second time. So I saw it 2 1/2 times and I will go again.

My one complaint is the dialogue is hard to hear some of the time


Be sure to listen to the song while the credits run

[sirhcyennek81]

Question...Is this movie worth the 75.00 that it will cost me to drive to Pueblo, buy the tickets, get popcorn and soda, and sit in a theater full of people I dont want to ever see again?

:Broncos:

[baja]

Question...Is this movie worth the 75.00 that it will cost me to drive to Pueblo, buy the tickets, get popcorn and soda, and sit in a theater full of people I dont want to ever see again?

:Broncos:

That will depend entirely on you.

[sirhcyennek81]

That will depend entirely on you.

I felt spiderman 2 was worth it. So...is this movie worth it, in your humble opinion?

:Broncos:

[baja]

I felt spiderman 2 was worth it. So...is this movie worth it, in your humble opinion?

:Broncos:

Well if you have read my posts so far you would have seen I watched it 2 and 1/2 times today and promised to go again so I would say a definite YES

This is in a different league than Spiderman and Star wars. Not to say I did not enjoy Spiderman and most of the Star Wars movies.

[baja]

The guy that is gonna like this movie is Josh

TJ, it's better the second time. If Hugo doesn't get best actor for his performance behind a mask than the Oscars is crap.

[Rascal]

Good movie but no cultural sensation on any level close to the matrix.

Nor did I see it as a left versus right thing or as an attack on Bush and company.

It showed the power of fear but that should be obvious to anyone and they shouldn't need hollywood to tell them that.

[baja]

Good movie but no cultural sensation on any level close to the matrix.

ya the acting was only 10 times better and the dialogue was only 50 times better in V. I'll give ya the story idea in Matrix was better but not nearly as timely.

[Rascal]

ya the acting was only 10 times better and the dialogue was only 50 times better in V. I'll give ya the story idea in Matrix was better but not nearly as timely.

Since when was a cultural sensation created by good acting and dialogue?

It's a good movie but cultural sensation is a huge step. Based on the crowds reaction from what I observed most thought it was a good movie but nothing earth shattering.

[Rascal]

Oh and Vendetta was more timely? If so they picked a horrible release time. St Patricks Day during spring break? The movie theater wasn't near 100% capacity more like 75% if that.

[baja]

Since when was a cultural sensation created by good acting and dialogue?

It's a good movie but cultural sensation is a huge step. Based on the crowds reaction from what I observed most thought it was a good movie but nothing earth shattering.

Well here in la Jolla the people stood up and claped at the end of the movie in the first show.I don't think I have ever seen that before.

[Connecticut Bronco Fan]

I don't really like movies too much. But my friend talked me in to go see it. This was one of the best movies i've ever seen. I highly recommend it, and since i cannot post spoilers, i will save my comment until after sunday. =)

[baja]

Oh and Vendetta was more timely? If so they picked a horrible release time. St Patricks Day during spring break? The movie theater wasn't near 100% capacity more like 75% if that.

That's not the kind of timely I'm talking about, timely to the world situtation is what I mean.

[Hulamau]

Its a great flick and everyone should go see it. Excellent entertainment value and it is not the typical mindless fare these days.

[phisig150]

Moore is the greatest Comis comic writer of all time. This movie going to kick ass. Because of his Dispute with DC even if Moore absolutely loved this movie he would still dis it. Portman full frontal would make it the greatest movie of all time. This comic is second only behind the Watchmen can't wait to see it.

[Spider]

you know you liked Brokeback Mountain ;D

War of the Worlds was garbage.
;D now that you cant get from B western

[Arkansas Bronco]

I am wanting to see this move but would it be entertaining for my wife? is it full on action or does it break it up enough to entertain most women?

[baja]

I am wanting to see this move but would it be entertaining for my wife? is it full on action or does it break it up enough to entertain most women?

It has a very interesting love element to it and the violence is not over done for a change.

[SoDak Bronco]

Well we can thank TJ and this thread for selling my ticket. I plan on seeing it this afternoon. Anyone know how long of a movie it is? Need to get back to watch some Tourney games.

[baja]

I think it runs 1:47 there abouts

[baja]

In my opinion it would not hurt the viewing experience to read the Rolling Stone review but some may feel this review contains spoilers

WARNING, POSSIBLE MILD SPOILER

Mad as hell and out to rile up a politically lethargic youth audience, V for Vendetta sometimes trips on its ambitions. But who gives a damn? At least this grabber of a movie actually has ambitions, which makes it unique in a brain-dead multiplex. Better yet, V packs an urgent filmmaking energy that pins you to your seat.
Written by the Wachowskis -- Andy and his transgender brother, Larry -- and directed by first-timer James McTeigue, their assistant on The Matrix, the film flies on a rhythm all its own. There's nothing Neo about V, the masked avenger who uses bombs, daggers and his telegenic charisma to take down a regime that has left him a burned remnant of its ungodly experiments.

Hugo Weaving -- Agent Smith in the Matrix movies -- plays this terrorist grandmaster behind a fiberglass mask that makes his vocal wit and physical eloquence doubly remarkable. Never mind that the Shakespeare-quoting, rose-carrying V comes dangerously close to Phantom of the Opera kitsch. Or that his politics can be as simplistic as Billy Jack's. V has his mojo working.

And so do the filmmakers. The source material is the 1989 graphic novel illustrated by David Lloyd and written by Alan Moore, who wants no part of what the Wachowskis have wrought. Moore took his name off the film's credits. Moore's novel skewered the 1980s England of Margaret Thatcher. In the Wachowski update, England is a police state ruled by Chancellor Sutler (John Hurt), a fear-mongering, gay-bashing, Islam-hating dictator who strips citizens of their civil rights and religious freedoms in exchange for protection from bioweapons of mass destruction. Some see parallels here to BushWorld. Come on. The chancellor, as acted to the hilt by Hurt, can't be W -- he's hyperarticulate.

V for Vendetta, more fun and less self-referential than those appalling Matrix sequels, is an action film that is not afraid to stop for thoughtful debate, a wry laugh or a lesson on how to fry an egg for a pretty girl. That (the girl, not the egg) would be Evey (Natalie Portman), a slave at a chancellor-controlled TV network. The station has its own Bill O'Reilly figure in the blowhard Prothero (Roger Allam). And the chancellor has his own Dick Cheney in Creedy (Tim Pigott-Smith), who aims his buckshot at Deitrich (Stephen Fry), a closet gay who mocks the chancellor in a TV comedy skit. Poor Evey doesn't know where to turn.

On her first meeting with V, who saves her from rape by police thugs, Evey is taken to a rooftop for some fireworks. Not the sexual kind. V raises his hands like a conductor and directs Evey to watch as the Old Bailey blows up and lights the night sky. It's V who set the bombs, in honor of Guy Fawkes, the Catholic vigilante who futilely tried to blow up Parliament on November 5th, 1605. V, in his Fawkes mask, is determined not to fail, vowing that next year, on November 5th, 2020, Parliament will be history.

V sweeps Evey away to his secret lair and shows her his Shadow Gallery, where he keeps forbidden artifacts, such as the Koran, and listens to the Velvet Underground. It's there that she learns of V's brutal history and his reasons for murdering coroner Delia Surridge (a superb Sinead Cusack). V's politicalization of Evey is the film's core. She evades arrest from Finch (a haunted Stephen Rea), the cop on the V case, but not the hands of a hidden tormenter who jails her, shaves her hair (Portman sacrificed her own locks for the role) and pushes her hard to betray V.

Portman's English accent goes in and out, but not her performance, which becomes the heart and soul of the movie. Scratch the lousy Star Wars films and Portman, from The Professional to Closer, is one of the best actresses of her generation. Here she's dynamite, especially when Evey finds a letter written by a lesbian victim of torture and begins to understand V's true mission.

Though the film runs with the outsiders in society, the Wachowskis don't ignore the dark side of V's character. Cinematographer Adrian Biddle, who died in December, plays with light and shadow in ways that provide depth even when the script settles for glib.

Setting indelible images to a deft score by Dario Marianelli, McTeigue speeds us along to a thunderous climax at Parliament. Calling Warner Bros. irresponsible for releasing a film that rouses an audience to action is like calling the Constitution irresponsible for protecting free speech. The explosive V for Vendetta is powered by ideas that are not computer-generated. It's something rare in Teflon Hollywood: a movie that sticks with you.


PETER TRAVERS

[baja]

After watching the latest Star Wasn't trash who would have thunk portman had a performance like this in her. Guys she will make you cry and sprout an erection all at the same time, well not really but i want everyone to see this so liberties I take

[Broncos Rule]

Running time is 2:12.

This is an awesome movie. Can't say too much in a spoiler free environment, other than

see this movie!

I hope it gets traction as a phenomenon.. not sure it will. I was blown away - but then I was hoping to be blown away.

There was only scattered polite applause at the IMAX screening I attended in Denver last night.

[Taco John]

Told you guys it was good. Easily one of the most entertaining and thought provoking movies I've seen in a long time. Incredibly challenging, but deliciously so...

[Taco John]

In my opinion it would not hurt the viewing experience to read the Rolling Stone review but some may feel this review contains spoilers

WARNING, POSSIBLE MILD SPOILER

Mad as hell and out to rile up a politically lethargic youth audience, V for Vendetta sometimes trips on its ambitions. But who gives a damn? At least this grabber of a movie actually has ambitions, which makes it unique in a brain-dead multiplex. Better yet, V packs an urgent filmmaking energy that pins you to your seat.
Written by the Wachowskis -- Andy and his transgender brother, Larry -- and directed by first-timer James McTeigue, their assistant on The Matrix, the film flies on a rhythm all its own. There's nothing Neo about V, the masked avenger who uses bombs, daggers and his telegenic charisma to take down a regime that has left him a burned remnant of its ungodly experiments.

Hugo Weaving -- Agent Smith in the Matrix movies -- plays this terrorist grandmaster behind a fiberglass mask that makes his vocal wit and physical eloquence doubly remarkable. Never mind that the Shakespeare-quoting, rose-carrying V comes dangerously close to Phantom of the Opera kitsch. Or that his politics can be as simplistic as Billy Jack's. V has his mojo working.

And so do the filmmakers. The source material is the 1989 graphic novel illustrated by David Lloyd and written by Alan Moore, who wants no part of what the Wachowskis have wrought. Moore took his name off the film's credits. Moore's novel skewered the 1980s England of Margaret Thatcher. In the Wachowski update, England is a police state ruled by Chancellor Sutler (John Hurt), a fear-mongering, gay-bashing, Islam-hating dictator who strips citizens of their civil rights and religious freedoms in exchange for protection from bioweapons of mass destruction. Some see parallels here to BushWorld. Come on. The chancellor, as acted to the hilt by Hurt, can't be W -- he's hyperarticulate.

V for Vendetta, more fun and less self-referential than those appalling Matrix sequels, is an action film that is not afraid to stop for thoughtful debate, a wry laugh or a lesson on how to fry an egg for a pretty girl. That (the girl, not the egg) would be Evey (Natalie Portman), a slave at a chancellor-controlled TV network. The station has its own Bill O'Reilly figure in the blowhard Prothero (Roger Allam). And the chancellor has his own Dick Cheney in Creedy (Tim Pigott-Smith), who aims his buckshot at Deitrich (Stephen Fry), a closet gay who mocks the chancellor in a TV comedy skit. Poor Evey doesn't know where to turn.

On her first meeting with V, who saves her from rape by police thugs, Evey is taken to a rooftop for some fireworks. Not the sexual kind. V raises his hands like a conductor and directs Evey to watch as the Old Bailey blows up and lights the night sky. It's V who set the bombs, in honor of Guy Fawkes, the Catholic vigilante who futilely tried to blow up Parliament on November 5th, 1605. V, in his Fawkes mask, is determined not to fail, vowing that next year, on November 5th, 2020, Parliament will be history.

V sweeps Evey away to his secret lair and shows her his Shadow Gallery, where he keeps forbidden artifacts, such as the Koran, and listens to the Velvet Underground. It's there that she learns of V's brutal history and his reasons for murdering coroner Delia Surridge (a superb Sinead Cusack). V's politicalization of Evey is the film's core. She evades arrest from Finch (a haunted Stephen Rea), the cop on the V case, but not the hands of a hidden tormenter who jails her, shaves her hair (Portman sacrificed her own locks for the role) and pushes her hard to betray V.

Portman's English accent goes in and out, but not her performance, which becomes the heart and soul of the movie. Scratch the lousy Star Wars films and Portman, from The Professional to Closer, is one of the best actresses of her generation. Here she's dynamite, especially when Evey finds a letter written by a lesbian victim of torture and begins to understand V's true mission.

Though the film runs with the outsiders in society, the Wachowskis don't ignore the dark side of V's character. Cinematographer Adrian Biddle, who died in December, plays with light and shadow in ways that provide depth even when the script settles for glib.

Setting indelible images to a deft score by Dario Marianelli, McTeigue speeds us along to a thunderous climax at Parliament. Calling Warner Bros. irresponsible for releasing a film that rouses an audience to action is like calling the Constitution irresponsible for protecting free speech. The explosive V for Vendetta is powered by ideas that are not computer-generated. It's something rare in Teflon Hollywood: a movie that sticks with you.


PETER TRAVERS


I hate reviews like this... What's the point of seeing the movie if this jackass is going to spell it all out in his review? What a no-talent hack. I almost wouldn't bother watching the movie if I read this review. There's only one decent suprise after reading this, and I don't know if it's good enough to live up to the hype once you've already been walked point for point over the story line.

[baja]

I hate reviews like this... What's the point of seeing the movie if this jackass is going to spell it all out in his review? What a no-talent hack. I almost wouldn't bother watching the movie if I read this review. There's only one decent suprise after reading this, and I don't know if it's good enough to live up to the hype once you've already been walked point for point over the story line.

What you say is true with most movies but not this one because of the deft way the audience is handled by the W. Brothers. I know it sounds ludicrous to say but the depth of this comic book based movie is such that it far out strips this review. The archetypal symbolism is flawless. I think this is a can't miss movie and for all our sake I hope I am right.

[Breck Bronc]

After watching the latest Star Wasn't trash who would have thunk portman had a performance like this in her. Guys she will make you cry and sprout an erection all at the same time, well not really but i want everyone to see this so liberties I takeI take it you haven't seen her recent non-Star Wars work like Closer, Garden State and Cold Mountain.

[NyBroncsFan77]

I don't consider myself much of a political mindset. My opinions on this movie are my own. I thought it was a great flick. It had to have been as I went to see it on Friday after being up all night and all day, and I didn't fall asleep once during it. It's definatly got that political views going on but I just watched it for the movie. Well done in most aspects. Hugo Weaving did a wonderful job. Natalie hot as ever and did great herself. Will I go to see it again? probably not but I will buy it when it comes out on dvd. I was definatly exicted after seeing this one It was a must see.


Only 4 more months till Training camp!!!!!!!
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet

[baja]

I take it you haven't seen her recent non-Star Wars work like Closer, Garden State and Cold Mountain.

I don't get to see as many movies as I would like to leving in Mexico.

I did see Cold Mountain (Loved it) but not the other two.

[Breck Bronc]

I don't get to see as many movies as I would like to leving in Mexico.

I did see Cold Mountain (Loved it) but not the other two.Portman was very good in Closer and Garden State. She was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance in Closer. You should check those two movies out when you get a chance. This is probably a dumb question, but are Netflix or Blockbuster Online available in Mexico?

[baja]

Portman was very good in Closer and Garden State. She was nominated for an Academy Award for her performance in Closer. You should check those two movies out when you get a chance. This is probably a dumb question, but are Netflix or Blockbuster Online available in Mexico?

No not through the mail anyway i don't know if I can stream video or if such a thing even exists for feature films. I'm in San Diego for the rest of the week so i will rent Closer and Garden State if they are available on DVD.

[Swedish Extrovert]

I saw that movie, and I didn't see it as a anti-Bush movie at all. In fact, I dont that the politics in the film apply that greatly to current politics.

This film was a battle of Anarchy vs. Totalitarianism. Thats all.

While I see the Libertarian issues that Vendeta followed, the movie failed to recognize such issues as big business, health care, war, etc.

Thus, this was not a politically applicable film.... it was politically driven though.

I enjoyed the movie, although I don't see it becoming the cultural phenomonea that was the Matrix, because the idea wasn't as origional.

[DivineLegion]

I thought it was a must see movie definitly a breath of fresh air after a month of no good movies. A+ The symbolism is deep and everywhere.

[baja]

Bump

[Maximus]

I saw that movie, and I didn't see it as a anti-Bush movie at all. In fact, I dont that the politics in the film apply that greatly to current politics.

This film was a battle of Anarchy vs. Totalitarianism. Thats all.

While I see the Libertarian issues that Vendeta followed, the movie failed to recognize such issues as big business, health care, war, etc.

Thus, this was not a politically applicable film.... it was politically driven though.

I enjoyed the movie, although I don't see it becoming the cultural phenomonea that was the Matrix, because the idea wasn't as origional.

Ha! In my opinion, they definitely included issues of our current political situation in the film. This administration might not be a true totalitarian regime by definition, but it certainly has all the necessary elements. The American people took the wind out of Dubya's sails by showing displeasure with the Dubai debacle!

The film was very thought provoking and Hugo Weaving was tremendous behind that Mask!

[Taco John]

I think I'm going to catch the 10pm again tonight...

[Maximus]

I think I'm going to catch the 10pm again tonight...

How many times have you seen it?

[Taco John]

Once. I expect tonight will be my second, unless I get lucky with the missus.

[Rascal]

Once. I expect tonight will be my second, unless I get lucky with the missus.

yeah you are going to see it again.

LOL

[baja]

I might go again too. I will have no problem seeing this film a few times, hell just the acting of Hugo and Portman warrant at least two viewings. Dick Chaney is good too! ;D

[Dagmar]

Vendetta Gets the V at Soft Weekend Box Office

"It's almost sad to be excited about a good movie topping the box office, but it happened this weekend and is so rare that it should be celebrated. V For Vendetta opened and won by a landslide, but it failed to cross the $30 million mark over its debut weekend, dooming the overall box office versus last year. The other opener, She's the Man, also got off to a decent start, but after week after week of bad films, overall box office continues to struggle.

The number one film of the weekend is V For Vendetta, the slick comic book movie starring Natalie Portman and Hugo Weaving, and produced by the Wachowski Brothers. V had an opening weekend of $26.1 million from 3,365 venues, good for an average of $7,766. While this is a strong opening frame, the debut lives in a poorer neighborhood than The Matrix, which opened to $27.8 million, way back in 1999 and on 500 fewer screens than Vendetta. If we were to adjust the opening of The Matrix for inflation, the opening would have been in the $33 to $34 million range. In terms of historical March openings, V for Vendetta is way back of the pack – even behind the $28.1 million Starsky & Hutch opening weekend in 2004 and Spy Kids' $26.6 debut in 2001. This less than blockbuster start has to be concerning to studios and exhibitors as the trend continues to toward a softening of overall box office. WB has to look into the mirror and decide whether they picked the right opening weekend. V had to fight off the beginning of the NCAA basketball championships and St Patrick's Day, and had an R rating to deal with. There is good news this weekend, though, and that is the fact that Eight Below (which opened a month ago) is no longer the only film in the top ten with good reviews. At RottenTomatoes, V For Vendetta grabbed 137 reviews, and 102 of them were positive, leading to a fresh rating of 74%.

For Warner Bros., who serves as both worldwide distributor and one of the production companies, V will be a big win for the studio. Somehow the Wachowskis, Joel Silver and director James McTeigue were able to keep the budget on this one in the $50 million range instead of the $100 million plus level we have seen with other big tentpole releases. The lack of a Keanu Reeves type of name would have helped keep costs down (and reviews on the good side), but may have impacted the opening weekend. Great casting choices of Hugo Weaving and Natalie Portman may also help this one in the legs department, as word-of-mouth on V is already good. "

[MrPeepers]

I've become a different person this semester in school. Not totally different just more aware. That happens in college, and had a good teacher that's opened my eyes. I'm an economics student, and a big part of my major is studying finite resources. Oil, obviously, natural gas, labor, whatever. So, i've really looked at factory farming, the extent to which cheap oil plays a role in our economy, and what i'm putting into my body at the extent of a cheap price.

I don't think it has cultural phenomenon written all over it. I think it has as much influence as 28 days later had. I thought that actually had some even though zombies were in it. Obviosuly the symbolism is there. The Wachowski's are all about archetypal imagery. Spare me the love story and we got a pretty good fun story with some well established idealism that often gets overlooked. It really was hard-right totalatarianism vs. total or modern day freedom, which is far from free. One thing we tend to overlook I feel is freedom. We pass the word around as if it was the ultimate in perfection. If we had total freedom you'd have no social security, capitalist's would pay next to nothing, working conditions would be crap. I guess what I gathered from it all, is how much freedom are we truly comfortable with. Freedom forever? I know I don't want complete freedom. Chaos, or Protection? We all want something in the middle. But, this is what the movie made me think of.

[fuzzy]

great, great movie. im definately going to see it again.

and i dont know if it will reach phenomenon status, but it will leave an impact on the majority of movie goers who see it.

this movie would actually motivate me enough to watch the oscars next year. something that never happens.

[anthonypacino]

I saw the movie on Sat. it was good, the best Alan Moore movie Hollywood has ever made. To bad Moore wants no part of it, or any other films based on his works. Comic book readers like myself know most of Moore's stuff. He is the Oliver Stone of comic books, when he is dealing with things he has invented he always throws the political spin on it. I don't think this is a film that will make a huge "cutural difference" it was a good movie and a fairly good translation from comic to movie, it won't be as big as the Matrix was or some of the other comic movies. Once people hear that it isn't really a "Super Hero" film I don't think the crowds will be flocking back for a 2nd or 3rd trip.

[Rausch]

Words words words...stuff...yak yak yak...whatever


Just keep posting with that avatar...:wiggle:

[broncoblue]

saw the movie at the flicks last nightr really top drawer and wow would i bang her when she shaves her head wowowowo!!!


saw serenity as well..man wtf is that about?

[Mile High Shack]

I saw it, it was ok, it's not going to change the world or anything, but it makes you think about some things

[alkemical]

I saw it and liked it, but it was nothing in terms of new concepts for me.

But i did enjoy it.

However, some HS kids were a row back from us, and stated "the best part of the movie was fireworks"

*shakeshead*

[baja]

I saw it and liked it, but it was nothing in terms of new concepts for me.

But i did enjoy it.

However, some HS kids were a row back from us, and stated "the best part of the movie was fireworks"

*shakeshead*

One of the aspects I most enjoyed about the movie was the delivery of the message of government control through the control of media, depicting the "news" as "us against them" fear/protection (Loved the detail on the back of the police vans, "For your protection") . Control through fear is not a new concept but it is very timely to demonstrate the ploy in such a powerful way given our current government's tactics. This film did what Michael Moore never could because of it's "back door" delivery of it's messages.

[alkemical]

That i understand baja -

I guess i don't always see/understand why others do not see.

[Mile High Shack]

That i understand baja -

I guess i don't always see/understand why others do not see.

b/c for the most part, most people still believe we have a free media and wouldn't change/hold stories to benefit any government at this point

[alkemical]

b/c for the most part, most people still believe we have a free media and wouldn't change/hold stories to benefit any government at this point


That's what i mean, i don't understand how that view can be held. I stopped watching news for the most part. There are times i tune in, but turn it off rapidly due to the about of excrement that is being fed for one agenda to another.

With news stories (heh) that point out the NSA/CIA have paid for news spots, i often wonder is it blindness? Just udder stupidity?

[Mile High Shack]

That's what i mean, i don't understand how that view can be held. I stopped watching news for the most part. There are times i tune in, but turn it off rapidly due to the about of excrement that is being fed for one agenda to another.

With news stories (heh) that point out the NSA/CIA have paid for news spots, i often wonder is it blindness? Just udder stupidity?

well I don't think our media is controlled by the government like V yet

[alkemical]

well I don't think our media is controlled by the government like V yet


No but fear runs the ratings......

[Taco John]

well I don't think our media is controlled by the government like V yet



Not like V, it's not... It's controlled in other way... Through ratings and through influence at the top. It happened because of too much consolidation of the people's airwaves. Media giants now own broadcast networks, local stations, cable companies, and everything related to broadcasting...



To get a flavor of how consolidated the industry has become, consider this: In 1990, the major broadcast networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox--fully or partially owned just 12.5 percent of the new series they aired. By 2000, it was 56.3 percent. Just two years later, it had surged to 77.5 percent.

In this environment, most independent media firms either get gobbled up by one of the big companies or driven out of business altogether. Yet instead of balancing the rules to give independent broadcasters a fair chance in the market, Washington continues to tilt the playing field to favor the biggest players. Last summer, the FCC passed another round of sweeping pro-consolidation rules that, among other things, further raised the cap on the number of TV stations a company can own.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0407.turner.html

The majority of the major networks in this country are controlled by a small minority of business interests, all of which have heirarchical infrastructures that is very sensitive to political influence, particularly towards candidates friendly to big business.

So, no, our media isn't controlled by the government like in V, but government definitely has gotten its meathooks into media.

[Rock Chalk]

Gee, a movie with "back door" social commentary.

How original.

Next.

[DB-Freak]

If this movie moved you alot, you are either a liberal sap or just been living in a cave all your life.

Nothing new or atonishing.

Decent flick though. Pretty long.

[alkemical]

I imagine for most of the H.S. Crowd or those in *college* - some of this might be new to them.... :) (per my comments above)

But it could be worse, it could be some over the top graphic blood and gore japanimation flick, or a movie that is visualy stunning and weak on plot & acting.

[Rock Chalk]

Not like V, it's not... It's controlled in other way... Through ratings and through influence at the top. It happened because of too much consolidation of the people's airwaves. Media giants now own broadcast networks, local stations, cable companies, and everything related to broadcasting...




The majority of the major networks in this country are controlled by a small minority of business interests, all of which have heirarchical infrastructures that is very sensitive to political influence, particularly towards candidates friendly to big business.

So, no, our media isn't controlled by the government like in V, but government definitely has gotten its meathooks into media.
Dont you really mean, media is business and business requires a friendly government to operate?

[alkemical]

if you don't have a friendly gov't, the gov't just requisitions it and then you have 'state' television.

so not really, one way or another the idiot box will have something on it.

[Rock Chalk]

if you don't have a friendly gov't, the gov't just requisitions it and then you have 'state' television.

so not really, one way or another the idiot box will have something on it.
Taco put it like the government specifically wnet in to gobble up media corporations.

But, the way he explained it, sounded more to me like business doing it than anything the government was actually doing.

He's just not very smart.

[Taco John]

Taco put it like the government specifically wnet in to gobble up media corporations.

No I didn't.


But, the way he explained it, sounded more to me like business doing it than anything the government was actually doing.

Exactly.


He's just not very smart.


I'm certainly not as smart as someone who contradicts themselves in their own posts. It takes special kind of "genius" to do that.

[alkemical]

Taco put it like the government specifically wnet in to gobble up media corporations.

But, the way he explained it, sounded more to me like business doing it than anything the government was actually doing.

He's just not very smart.

I think i read TJ's post with different eyes than you did Alec.

He stated that since the ownership (clearchannel as example) - will own radio, tv and advertising - the OWNER of clearchannel - will be able to exert his muscle in how items are handled via his outlets. So if GOVTGOON#1 says "i don't like this story you are running, can you help me out" - the favor game starts. Then when clearchannel owner needs a favor, it gets paid back - or else it's open season on who wouldn't do him the favor via the muscle has, the media outlets he controls.

It's business for both the gov't & the media-megalopoly.

[Rock Chalk]

I think i read TJ's post with different eyes than you did Alec.

He stated that since the ownership (clearchannel as example) - will own radio, tv and advertising - the OWNER of clearchannel - will be able to exert his muscle in how items are handled via his outlets. So if GOVTGOON#1 says "i don't like this story you are running, can you help me out" - the favor game starts. Then when clearchannel owner needs a favor, it gets paid back - or else it's open season on who wouldn't do him the favor via the muscle has, the media outlets he controls.

It's business for both the gov't & the media-megalopoly.
But it still comes back to the business.

Government asks, business doesnt have to oblige.

And, government has been asking to kill stories since day 1 and, business both big and small have obliged more often than not.

Its not the government getting their meathooks into the media. Its the media doing favors for the government.

Taco implied very wrongly what is going on.

I dont necessarily disagree that government IS involved in the media, but I do disagree that they purposefully set out to control it.

[Taco John]

Dont you really mean, media is business and business requires a friendly government to operate?



Friendly to who? The people or big business?

Remember... In the United States, the people own the airwaves. There used to be a lot of regulation to protect this concept, but that protection has slowly eroded over time due to conglomertization and "friendly" government acting as the enabler.

Less owners = less diversity of media = more tightly controlled message

The Internet is remedying some of the issues, but broadcast is still an incredibly important and influential medium.

But hey... Don't mind me. I only rely on this stuff to make a living. I couldn't possibly be as smart about it as Alec.

[alkemical]

But it still comes back to the business.

Government asks, business doesnt have to oblige.

And, government has been asking to kill stories since day 1 and, business both big and small have obliged more often than not.

Its not the government getting their meathooks into the media. Its the media doing favors for the government.

Taco implied very wrongly what is going on.

I dont necessarily disagree that government IS involved in the media, but I do disagree that they purposefully set out to control it.

Well the gov't sponsored 'news' stories gets run on the news, is that a 'favor' or does the gov't muscle in on that?

[Taco John]

I dont necessarily disagree that government IS involved in the media, but I do disagree that they purposefully set out to control it.


One can never account for someone's lack of understanding on how things work.

Every organization, be it business, government, or otherwise has a message that they would like to get out. The message is nothing more than an idea that they would like to seed in the collective consious of their intended audience. Every organization wants to shape what their audience thinks about important issues to that organization in an attempt to further the goals of that organization. By shaping the message, the organization can shape the reality of individuals and ultimately, a collective (of individuals). Perception is reality. This is Comm 101 stuff, but they teach you this early because it's the most powerful concept in communication.

If you think that a government full of power grabbing politicians all with their own ideas and agendas sit oblivious to the tremendous reality shaping vehicle that is the publically owned airwaves, then there's nothing that I can do for you except attempt education. Given that I went to school in order to learn and understand the underbelly of this beast, and given that I have taken this understanding and used it in practice to make money for myself and my clients (large businesses who also have a message that they'd like broadcast into the collective), I'm more than qualified. I'd estimate that I'm as qualified as you are unwilling to hear it from me... and just a little less qualified than your penchant for calling people stupid for not thinking just like you.

[anthonypacino]

Wow TJ I am glad you enjoyed the movie, If you enjoyed it this much I would really suggest you go to your local Barnes and Noble, Borders etc.. and pick up Watchmen by Alan Moore or the original V for Vendetta they would be in the graphic novel section (graphic novel...for people to cool to admit they read comic books). They have a similar tone to them and I think you would really get something out if it.

[yavoon]

Wow TJ I am glad you enjoyed the movie, If you enjoyed it this much I would really suggest you go to your local Barnes and Noble, Borders etc.. and pick up Watchmen by Alan Moore or the original V for Vendetta they would be in the graphic novel section (graphic novel...for people to cool to admit they read comic books). They have a similar tone to them and I think you would really get something out if it.


V was a fun movie to watch. Alan moore seems to come off as a ****** to me.

[baja]

Taco put it like the government specifically wnet in to gobble up media corporations.

But, the way he explained it, sounded more to me like business doing it than anything the government was actually doing.

<b>He's just not very smart.</b>

I know you think you are smart Alec and is some ways you are but you are about as perceptive as a frog. TJ has you beat in this area 5 ways to Sunday.

[Rausch]

Wow TJ I am glad you enjoyed the movie, If you enjoyed it this much I would really suggest you go to your local Barnes and Noble, Borders etc.. and pick up Watchmen by Alan Moore or the original V for Vendetta they would be in the graphic novel section (graphic novel...for people to cool to admit they read comic books). They have a similar tone to them and I think you would really get something out if it.

Watchemen is likely the best work any comic book artist has put out in the last 30 years. Easy.

V for Vendetta was just as unimpressive as a b&w comic as it is a film.

If you want the same idea with much better execution rent 1984. Great film, better book...

[anthonypacino]

V was a fun movie to watch. Alan moore seems to come off as a ****** to me.
Everything I have heard or read about him seems to follow what you say, he hates his publishers, hates the fans, hates the media...I think he is finishing his run on Tom Strong and then I thought I heard he is hanging it up for awhile.

[Taco John]

Wow TJ I am glad you enjoyed the movie, If you enjoyed it this much I would really suggest you go to your local Barnes and Noble, Borders etc.. and pick up Watchmen by Alan Moore or the original V for Vendetta they would be in the graphic novel section (graphic novel...for people to cool to admit they read comic books). They have a similar tone to them and I think you would really get something out if it.
h


I actually got my copy of The Watchmen today in the mail from Amazon... :thumbs:

[anthonypacino]

h


I actually got my copy of The Watchmen today in the mail from Amazon... :thumbs:
Awesome! It's always good to see someone getting into it for the first time.
That book changed alot of the ways I used to think when I was young, I could honestly say that the ideas in that book affected me, I don't agree with all of the views but thats not the point. It is just a great book.

[fuzzy]

Gee, a movie with "back door" social commentary.

How original.

Next.

you seem to try very very hard to come across as some sort of badass.

but you always fail and come across as a sad little person.

[Old Dude]

h


I actually got my copy of The Watchmen today in the mail from Amazon... :thumbs:

One thing to keep in mind is that it's a period piece. It was originally released in 12 individual issues from 1986-1987, when the Doomsday Clock was still ticking and the Cold War was still crawling along.

[alkemical]

i also dig 'the invisibles' by grant morrison

[Old Dude]

i also dig 'the invisibles' by grant morrison

somehow, that's no surprise

[alkemical]

:)

[Swedish Extrovert]

I think I found Vendetta's political party - http://appusa0.tripod.com/