If Vince Young Drops To 22...

[GonzoLays]

Do we draft him? While I think the chances are none to slim that he would be there, it is still an interesting proposition. Who knows, he might drop because of all the wonderlic/wr mumbo jumbo going around. I can see teams passing on him early because they want a sure thing not a project. So what do we do if that happens?

[Ray Finkle]

nope...

[OrangeShadow]

No

[Darkhawk24]

No one honestly expects that to happen I don't think. However for conversation if he some how dropped to #22 you'd have to take him.

[watermock]

WTF? He won't be there at 10 yet alone 22, and no anyway. It's not even a need.

[watermock]

No one honestly expects that to happen I don't think. However for conversation if he some how dropped to #22 you'd have to take him.

As a WR/Slash. This is so stupid to discuss anyway. The real question is if Vernon Davis drops past 10 do we make a move. Or Super Mario for that matter. Those are our needs out of our grasp.

Damn Gibbs.

[Darkhawk24]

As a WR/Slash. This is so stupid to discuss anyway. The real question is if Vernon Davis drops past 10 do we make a move. Or Super Mario for that matter. Those are our needs out of our grasp.

Damn Gibbs.


Those two also have about a good of a chance as falling to us as Vince Young.

[coachmastermind]

He'll never be there at 22... but YES you would take him at 22... is QB a need for the 2006 season? No... but the draft isn't just about grabbing players for this year... I think at 22 there is too much potential down the line to pass up.

I repeat however, there is no way he'll be there at 22.

[ludo21]

NO, we have other needs. And at this point, its impossible to say yes when your head knows for a fact he wont be there.

[GonzoLays]

Every year a player falls for some reason. Randy Moss fell because of weed. The DE the Vikings selected two years ago who was supposedly a top five pick got drafted at like 21. You could even argue that Matt Jones has about as much physical attributes at Vince Young and he also played QB but was projected as a WR in the pros. You never know.

[watermock]

Matt Jones was never projected in the top 5, and was a reach IMO.

And I didn't say Davis would be there, I said if he drops to say, 12, do we make a MOVE, i.e. a first and second or Lelie or something like that. That's where we need help along with DE.

[Rohirrim]

Sure, I'd pick him. Then trade him to some other team for their second, their third, and next year's first. ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

If Vince Young Drops To 22... Do we draft him?



Well I don't know......how many sacks did he have last season?

[Jason in LA]

Hell yeah. Some of you guys are on crack. If he drops to 15 the Broncos better trade up to get him.

I wouldn't trade up into the top 10 to get him. It would cost too much.

If he was sitting there at 22 and the Broncos didn't pick him I'd personally go to Denver and shoot everybody in the front office.

I'm shocked that people would say they wouldn't take him at 22. He won't drop that far, because there won't be that many dumb teams to pass on him.

He'd fit the offense perfect. Remember that Shanny always does well with a mobile QB that has a good arm.

Like it was said a few posts ago, the draft isn't all about this year, it's about the future. If he's there, pick him, and sit him on the bench for a year or two. There would be no need to get him on the field because of Plummer.

[sirhcyennek81]

No. No to VY...of the things we need, a QB with the intelligence of a box of rocks is not one of them.

:Broncos:

[Darkhawk24]

You guys really wouldn't take Vince Young at 22 if he was sitting there? :kiddingme

[rbackfactory80]

I would take him

[sirhcyennek81]

tamba hali...vince young...hali...young...considering our needs are DE and WR, why would we go QB?

:Broncos:

[Clockwork Orange]

If by some bizarre twist of fate Vince Young was sitting there at 22, I'd take him in about half a heartbeat. They wouldn't even need to put the Broncos on the clock, I wouldn't need one. Tags would have the pick in his hand about 1 second after he announced the Pats pick at 21.

[Darkhawk24]

If by some bizarre twist of fate Vince Young was sitting there at 22, I'd take him in about half a heartbeat. They wouldn't even need to put the Broncos on the clock, I wouldn't need one. Tags would have the pick in his hand about 1 second after he announced the Pats pick at 21.


Pretty much my thought.... I mean the conversation is pointless anyways since there is a snowballs chance in hell. However I find it odd people would rather take a mid level round player over a top ten rated potential superstar QB.

[Clockwork Orange]

Pretty much my thought.... I mean the conversation is pointless anyways since there is a snowballs chance in hell. However I find it odd people would rather take a mid level round player over a top ten rated potential superstar QB.

Anyone who says they wouldn't take Young at 22, go watch a replay of the Rose Bowl and then come back and tell me that he wouldn't be worth taking a chance on with the 22nd pick.

I wouldn't take him in the top 5, but at 22? No question about it.

[bronco militia]

sure, and Shanny likes the Texas program...

what the hell, considering they've also got #29

[DrFate]

You guys really wouldn't take Vince Young at 22 if he was sitting there? :kiddingme

Lots of ability but right now he can't throw the ball (not in an NFL fashion). I don't think we need a high-priced project.

[Garcia Bronco]

I think you take him and find a way to work him in the offense

[Hotrod]

First he wont be there and second he has limited pass rush ability so HELL no..

Next

[Taco John]

First, there's no way in hell he's dropping that far... Second, I have absolutely no doubt that if he did, we'd be running down the aisle to get the pick in.

[Orange_Beard]

Hell yeah. Some of you guys are on crack. If he drops to 15 the Broncos better trade up to get him.

I wouldn't trade up into the top 10 to get him. It would cost too much.

If he was sitting there at 22 and the Broncos didn't pick him I'd personally go to Denver and shoot everybody in the front office.

I'm shocked that people would say they wouldn't take him at 22. He won't drop that far, because there won't be that many dumb teams to pass on him.

He'd fit the offense perfect. Remember that Shanny always does well with a mobile QB that has a good arm.

Like it was said a few posts ago, the draft isn't all about this year, it's about the future. If he's there, pick him, and sit him on the bench for a year or two. There would be no need to get him on the field because of Plummer.

Amen. I will buy the bullets.

[elsid13]

Since to my knowledge he never been injured or plays corner, I highly doubt that Shanahan would even consider taking him.

[Orange_Beard]

You guys really wouldn't take Vince Young at 22 if he was sitting there? :kiddingme

Have you seen the guy play? Man he killed UM in the bowl game 2 years ago, have you forgotten?

If there is anyway this guy falls that far, if we don't grab him it would be a Michael Jordan type mistake.

[Jason in LA]

Sure, the Broncos have other needs. QB isn't a need at all. But some of you must think that franchise QBs grow on trees, in Denver. Sorry, but that's not the case.

The questions about his passing ability are silly. Did anybody watch him play? Didn't he lead the nation in QB rating, or something like that? This past year he completed 65% of his passes. In the Rose Bowl he completed 75% of his 40 attempts. In his conference's championship game he completed 82% of his passes. What does this guy have to do to prove he's no Michael Vick? He's more like a McNabb, Culpepper, Steve Young, Elway. He's a passer that can run very well.

If he's sitting there at number 15 I'd say trade one of the first rounders, and the second round pick for that guy before some other team gets lucky and grabs him.

[Darkhawk24]

Have you seen the guy play? Man he killed UM in the bowl game 2 years ago, have you forgotten?

If there is anyway this guy falls that far, if we don't grab him it would be a Michael Jordan type mistake.

I'm on the "take him" side. Did you read what I asked? I asked if they were serious about not taking him.....

Thanks for reminding me about Texas vs Michigan though. thwack

[Crushaholic]

If that hypothetical situation actually happens, draft him and line him up opposite Rod Smith. He could be better than most of the receivers available in the draft...

[Paladin]

If he were there at 22, the phone would be ringing and I would bet that a trade would be made.

[elsid13]

My major concerns with Young are his ability to play under center in the league and his throwing style. I believe that he played 90% of time in the gun with one read then run option as the rule. In the NFL the he going to have to be able to find the 3rd or 4th option to be successful, the question how long does he need to learn how to do that.

[Orange_Beard]

I'm on the "take him" side. Did you read what I asked? I asked if they were serious about not taking him.....

Thanks for reminding me about Texas vs Michigan though. thwack


I can't read, sorry.

My Bro went to UM, I have been to a bunch of UM games, I would call myself a fan.
That game alone sold me on VY. Don't care about his wounderlick score, the guy makes plays and is a very good QB.

[DBroncos4life]

I'd let him drop to 23.

[fdf]

You guys really wouldn't take Vince Young at 22 if he was sitting there? :kiddingme

If he fell to 22, there would be a pretty good reason that happened--arrested, smoking dope, ran a 7 second 40 at the combine--something. So if this ever happened, the question the FO would address is completely different than the question posed on this thread. Short of something pretty extreme, he doesn't fall to 22. We don't even see the bottom of his cleats from 22.

So in answer to your question, if he did fall to 22, it would be a tough decision.

[anthonypacino]

If he drops to 22 let him drop to 23, cause I don't want him.

[RhymesayersDU]

If by some bizarre twist of fate Vince Young was sitting there at 22, I'd take him in about half a heartbeat. They wouldn't even need to put the Broncos on the clock, I wouldn't need one. Tags would have the pick in his hand about 1 second after he announced the Pats pick at 21.
Quoted For Truth.

[Kaylore]

First, there's no way in hell he's dropping that far... Second, I have absolutely no doubt that if he did, we'd be running down the aisle to get the pick in.
That's pretty much how I feel. He fits our style of play, and he'd have time to develop behind Plummer. However one might start a thread asking if we would take Bush, Mario Williams or Vernon Davis. It's really just a wet dream.

[maven]

You definately take him. The entire 1st round is a gamble anyway. You have to take a chance on a QB who could be elite.

[DBroncos4life]

I think you call the Jets and say hey do you want to trade to get him? Send us Abe, a third round pick this year and your first rounder this year.

[Wes Mantooth]

Yes he can play safety.

[sirhcyennek81]

That's pretty much how I feel. He fits our style of play, and he'd have time to develop behind Plummer. However one might start a thread asking if we would take Bush, Mario Williams or Vernon Davis. It's really just a wet dream.

I would prefer Williams or Davis, myself.

:Broncos:

[backup qb]

the draft is all about value. If VY were to somehow slip to 22, then you have to take him no questions asked.

[Fusionfrontman]

I'd take him..out to eat..nice resturant perhaps. "I wine em and dine em...but i do NOT let them ttell me what to do. I do NOT..let them tell me...what...to do!"

[Blackened]

Do we draft him? While I think the chances are none to slim that he would be there, it is still an interesting proposition. Who knows, he might drop because of all the wonderlic/wr mumbo jumbo going around. I can see teams passing on him early because they want a sure thing not a project. So what do we do if that happens?

Forget about it...Will not be there...

[Jason in LA]

I don't know why anybody would convert him to a different position. All the guy did was lead the nation in QB rating, and led his team to a national title. I'd say it's a slap in the face to say that he should play WR or DB.

[baja]

Hell yeah. Some of you guys are on crack. If he drops to 15 the Broncos better trade up to get him.

I wouldn't trade up into the top 10 to get him. It would cost too much.

<b>If he was sitting there at 22 and the Broncos didn't pick him I'd personally go to Denver and shoot everybody in the front office.</b>

I'm shocked that people would say they wouldn't take him at 22. He won't drop that far, because there won't be that many dumb teams to pass on him.

He'd fit the offense perfect. Remember that Shanny always does well with a mobile QB that has a good arm.

Like it was said a few posts ago, the draft isn't all about this year, it's about the future. If he's there, pick him, and sit him on the bench for a year or two. There would be no need to get him on the field because of Plummer.

I think we are going to have to ask you for your name and address son if you want to keep posting here

[-Slap-]

If he fell to 22, there would be a pretty good reason that happened--arrested, smoking dope, ran a 7 second 40 at the combine--something. So if this ever happened, the question the FO would address is completely different than the question posed on this thread. Short of something pretty extreme, he doesn't fall to 22. We don't even see the bottom of his cleats from 22.

So in answer to your question, if he did fall to 22, it would be a tough decision.
Exactly.

[Merlin]

If he drops to 22, that is almost 4 times his wonderlic score (not that he would know). Talk about a dramatic fall following the National Championship. And yes, you have to pick him, because if he is an idiot, he may be an idiot savant, and that is worth a gamble.

[jutang]

By the looks of the survey, 40% of orangemane members are USC fans.

[Jason in LA]

I think we are going to have to ask you for your name and address son if you want to keep posting here

How many Jason's can there be in LA? ;D

[Dudeskey]

Do we draft him? While I think the chances are none to slim that he would be there, it is still an interesting proposition. Who knows, he might drop because of all the wonderlic/wr mumbo jumbo going around. I can see teams passing on him early because they want a sure thing not a project. So what do we do if that happens?

Get the best defensive player on the board. We need playmakers, not projects. Save the projects for late in the second day

[broncofan]

Hilarious!

Seems like people want every QB out there...except Jake Plummer.

[ludo21]

Hilarious!

Seems like people want every QB out there...except Jake Plummer.


not me, Jake all the way!!!:thumbs: :strong:

[coachmastermind]

I don't know why anybody would convert him to a different position. All the guy did was lead the nation in QB rating, and led his team to a national title. I'd say it's a slap in the face to say that he should play WR or DB.


Exactly... this is a guy that's one of the top 3 QB's in the draft, not some 3rd rounder... let me tell you this he has "IT"... question his throwing mechanics, his ability to play under center, his test scores... when you can throw a whole team on your shoulders and win games practically by yourself, you have "something" special... What would Texas have done this season without VY? He has some immeasurables. He has "IT"... whatever "IT" is...

Am I saying we trade up to the top of the draft to get him? No... he'll go somewhere... but for those of you that act like he's a "total project" that came out of a JuCo... pull your heads out of the sand...

The cream always rises to the top... he'll do some special things for somebody.

[elsid13]

Exactly... this is a guy that's one of the top 3 QB's in the draft, not some 3rd rounder... let me tell you this he has "IT"... question his throwing mechanics, his ability to play under center, his test scores... when you can throw a whole team on your shoulders and win games practically by yourself, you have "something" special... What would Texas have done this season without VY? He has some immeasurables. He has "IT"... whatever "IT" is...


Yes he had "IT" at the college level but can he get it done in the NFL.?? Who ever picks him will need to work with him to tune up his mechanics, and work on his reads. He had Mack Brown as coach, and very simple offense it going take time for an adjustments to be made. And his ability to play under center is going to take time to learn, the spread offense doesn't work in the NFL and takes time for all those QB that play in that style to learn to play under center at the next level - see Alex Smith.

[Jason in LA]

He's not a project. He's not some gimmic. He led the nation in passer rating. He completed 65% of his passes. What more can the guy do?

I've tried to bite my lip and not include race in this. But man, if Young did the same stuff, and was a white guy, nobody would call him a project. Don't use Matt Jones as an example. He wasn't a very good QB. Young is the real deal.

Okay, I've played the race card (which I have never done on this board in the five years that I've posted here, and I rarely ever play that card, so don't act like I'm pulling a Jesse Jackson move here). I'm sure there are a number of you who are going to take a whack at me. ;D

[watermock]

I've tried to bite my lip and not include race in this.

You just did, and have before. The problem is he has a low delivery not his race. FYI, that means these monsters on the DL will be batting him down.

[Crushaholic]

He's not a project. He's not some gimmic. He led the nation in passer rating. He completed 65% of his passes. What more can the guy do?

I've tried to bite my lip and not include race in this. But man, if Young did the same stuff, and was a white guy, nobody would call him a project. Don't use Matt Jones as an example. He wasn't a very good QB. Young is the real deal.

Okay, I've played the race card (which I have never done on this board in the five years that I've posted here, and I rarely ever play that card, so don't act like I'm pulling a Jesse Jackson move here). I'm sure there are a number of you who are going to take a whack at me. ;D

He had a great year, but he's rushing into the NFL. The first two years were spent as a situational player, as Mack Brown loved to rotate the QBs. He had an average college career with a great final year. I'm still not conviced he'll make it as an NFL QB. Maybe if he had one more year as the starter, it might help change my mind...

This has NOTHING to do with race...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

The guy has amazing skills and athletic talent. I don't think the throwing motion means diddly. The one thing he must learn is to maintain his concentration, focus and not try to do everything himself. I am confident he will do that, but I am also confident he will pay a price for the lessons for a couple of years.

[jonny1]

He's 6'5" so his launch point is about the same as Brees or Vick . . .

[elsid13]

He's not a project. He's not some gimmic. He led the nation in passer rating. He completed 65% of his passes. What more can the guy do?

I've tried to bite my lip and not include race in this. But man, if Young did the same stuff, and was a white guy, nobody would call him a project. Don't use Matt Jones as an example. He wasn't a very good QB. Young is the real deal.



Young is a faster version of Alex Smith who was drafted last year, and Young like Smith is going to struggle adjusting to playing under center in the NFL. Smith completed 65% (2003) and 67.5% (2005) when he was in spread offense, but only 50% in the NFL when under center. Young like Smith has the potential to very good if he goes to a team that has the right system and good QB coach that can help him adjust into the league. Carr also had funky side arm delivery that needed to fixed to increase the speed of his throws and increase the height of the pass to prevent the DL batting it down.

[Jason in LA]

You just did, and have before. The problem is he has a low delivery not his race. FYI, that means these monsters on the DL will be batting him down.

Yeah, I just did, and not before, like I implied in my post.

I have never used the race card. Have I spoken about race on this board? Yes. Rarely, but I have. But I've never played the race card, until now.

As for his delivery point, that's not an issue. If he was 6 feet tall, then you'd have a point. But he's 6'5". He's tall enough that it won't be an issue. The only way it's going to be an issue is if he throws the ball side armed. It wasn't an issue in college, so why is it going to be an issue now?

[Jason in LA]

This has NOTHING to do with race...

If Young was a white guy he'd be considered the next John Elway, and nobody would think to convert him to another position.

[watermock]

If Young was a white guy he'd be considered the next John Elway, and nobody would think to convert him to another position.

That's another racist comment. Why would he be considered an Elway exactly again?

Let me explain something to you...Players are judged on talent now.

He's not going to get drafted in the top ten? Of course he is. Your just an apologist making idiotic excuses for the fact he couldn't manage past a 7 and a 15 on the same test and has a bad delivery.

[azbroncfan]

Why not say if reggie bush falls do you draft him, I don't waste my time even thinking about stuff like this.

[Broncojef]

If VY was there at #22 I'd wait until #29 and if he was still there I'd wait til the second round...

[Jason in LA]

That's another racist comment. Why would he be considered an Elway exactly again?

Let me explain something to you...Players are judged on talent now.

He's not going to get drafted in the top ten? Of course he is. Your just an apologist making idiotic excuses for the fact he couldn't manage past a 7 and a 15 on the same test and has a bad delivery.

Yeah, that was a very racist comment. Why would I ever insult the white race by saying a black QB is anything like Elway. I totally understand why you would be insulted by my comment.

BTW, I'm not the one who has been banned for making racist comments.

[broncohaven]

Anyone who said no to this question should lose their ability to have an opinion because they;ve already lost all ability to judge or reason. Tags wouldn't even have to leave the podium after #21.

[Orange_Beard]

I just don't get this.
The game that opened my eyes to VY was that Bowl game they played against Michigan, when he lead Texas to a late comeback victory. Then he takes Texas undefeated (On the road at Ohio St) wins the title.
Did one test score wipe that out?

I have seen/heard him speak, seems to do a good job in front of the mic. I have seen him make decision on the field; looks like the guy can play.

This is not anti-Plummer, this is a top 5 guy dropping. If the was any chance in hell he drops to 22 and we don't take him we would be fools.

That is unless a "Willie MiddleBrooks'" type player is out there.

[sirhcyennek81]

So...tell me how VY helps the denver broncos this coming year?

:Broncos:

[Jason in LA]

The draft isn't just about this coming season. Chances are who ever they draft won't help them much this season. Most draft picks don't have much of an impact their first year.

[Kaylore]

If Young was a white guy he'd be considered the next John Elway, and nobody would think to convert him to another position. I don't think that's true. Matt Jones was in a similar situation and everyon agreed he had to be a receiver (of course he tried out at the combine as one)

I do agree with you there is a clear bias against this kid. A lot of people keep comparing him to Vick who is basically a stupid one-trick midget poney. McNabb went number two in a draft loaded with potential hall of famers. He was way more of a scrambler then and I don't remember anyone saying he was dumb or going to suck.

I think Vick has cast a shadow on players who play even remotely similar to him. Young is the full package. He can throw and throw with touch. He makes great reads, moves seemingly effortlessly, and yes: he can make big plays with his legs - when things break down and the pass is no longer an option.

I don't get the hate either, but I don't think it's race motivated, or at least not most of it.

[sirhcyennek81]

The draft isn't just about this coming season. Chances are who ever they draft won't help them much this season. Most draft picks don't have much of an impact their first year.

Some picks do, and I would prefer to go with need that could get us to the SB the next year then a project at QB.

:Broncos:

[Orange_Beard]

Some picks do, and I would prefer to go with need that could get us to the SB the next year then a project at QB.

:Broncos:

Pretty short sighted. Remember when the Portland Trailblazer tooks Sam Bowie, because the needed a center.

[Jason in LA]

Some picks do, and I would prefer to go with need that could get us to the SB the next year then a project at QB.

:Broncos:

Who ever is going to be picked with either of those picks isn't going to help this team win the Super Bowl. No team wins the Super Bowl based on their draft picks from that year. Most rookies do not have a major impact on a team. Yeah, there are some. Randy Moss comes to mind. There are a hand full of other "super rookies". But not many. Don't count on improving this year's team with the draft. It never works that way.

[Jason in LA]

I don't think that's true. Matt Jones was in a similar situation and everyon agreed he had to be a receiver (of course he tried out at the combine as one)

I do agree with you there is a clear bias against this kid. A lot of people keep comparing him to Vick who is basically a stupid one-trick midget poney. McNabb went number two in a draft loaded with potential hall of famers. He was way more of a scrambler then and I don't remember anyone saying he was dumb or going to suck.

I think Vick has cast a shadow on players who play even remotely similar to him. Young is the full package. He can throw and throw with touch. He makes great reads, moves seemingly effortlessly, and yes: he can make big plays with his legs - when things break down and the pass is no longer an option.

I don't get the hate either, but I don't think it's race motivated, or at least not most of it.


I wouldn't use Matt Jones as a comparison. They are similar QBs. But we can say that Plummer is a similar QB to Elway. But, as we all know, Plummer is no Elway.

Young is in a different league than Jones.

If it's race or not, something is wrong here. No way a guy with Young's talents, and accomplishments, should be dogged out like this. Players with less abilities, and less accomplishments, are getting more praise than Young. I wouldn't say it's just the wonderlic. He was getting dissed well before that test. That test just added more fuel to the fire.

[sirhcyennek81]

Who ever is going to be picked with either of those picks isn't going to help this team win the Super Bowl. No team wins the Super Bowl based on their draft picks from that year. Most rookies do not have a major impact on a team. Yeah, there are some. Randy Moss comes to mind. There are a hand full of other "super rookies". But not many. Don't count on improving this year's team with the draft. It never works that way.

99, Tory Holt helped the Rams to the superbowl. He was a rookie. Same for Jevon Kearse the same season. Our rookies last year helped this team get to the AFC championship game. Rookies can make an impact, but not one who would be 3rd on the QB depth chart for the entire season.

:Broncos:

[Jason in LA]

99, Tory Holt helped the Rams to the superbowl. He was a rookie. Same for Jevon Kearse the same season. Our rookies last year helped this team get to the AFC championship game. Rookies can make an impact, but not one who would be 3rd on the QB depth chart for the entire season.

:Broncos:

Like I said, there are some "super rookies". But that's just two that you named out of what, 200+ first round picks since '99. You want to hang your hopes on a long shot like that?

Was the George Foster pick a bad one? He didn't even see the field in his first year. Trevor Pryce had some really good years with the Broncos. He rarely played in '97.

Chances are these first round picks won't be much of an impact. There will always be a few, but you can't draft on that. You have to look at years down the road.

The rookie CBs did help the Broncos, no question about that. They gave the team more than what was expected. But I wouldn't say that they were a deciding factor. I'd say they got so much playing time because there was nobody else to play. All they had to do was beat out Walls. That wasn't very hard. He sucked, then got hurt, then got cut.

Orange Beard made a good comment about Sam Bowie. I heard a story a few years back from one of those NBA insiders. He asked the Porland GM why he would draft Bowie over Jordan, before the '84 draft. He said because they already had Clyde Drextler, and they needed a center. The guy telling the story said, "then play Jordan at center." The point is that if a guy with that much talent is sitting there, you better take him over a guy with lessor talent who fills a need. If there was a guy who was near Young talent wise, and he fit a need, then you take that player. But if Young were to somehow fall that far, he'd be way better than any "need" player on the board, and it would be silly not to take him.

[TexanBob]

I think the Raiders will draft him.

[TexanBob]

No. No to VY...of the things we need, a QB with the intelligence of a box of rocks is not one of them.

:Broncos:

Which has thrown more utterly boneheaded passes?

1) Vince Young.
2) Jake Plummer.

If Wonderlic scores are your key to success, you'll be thrilled to know that Brian Griese (39 Wonderlic) is available - again.

The Broncos have been lucky not to have a major injury to Plummer because they've carried nothing to back him up with. Van Pelt? Kanell?

Young probably fits the Bronco offense better than most of the ones in the NFL since it emphasizes rollouts and play action. The real question would be what to do with Plummer in 2008 if you drafted Young.

[Jason in LA]

I like what Plummer did this past year. But if the Broncos lucked into Young, I'd say he'd be the starter by '07.

[sirhcyennek81]

Which has thrown more utterly boneheaded passes?

1) Vince Young.
2) Jake Plummer.

If Wonderlic scores are your key to success, you'll be thrilled to know that Brian Griese (39 Wonderlic) is available - again.

The Broncos have been lucky not to have a major injury to Plummer because they've carried nothing to back him up with. Van Pelt? Kanell?

Young probably fits the Bronco offense better than most of the ones in the NFL since it emphasizes rollouts and play action. The real question would be what to do with Plummer in 2008 if you drafted Young.


I see VY and something in my head screams BUST. I do not feel a first round pick should be used on a QB, when ours is only 30, and has led us to the playoffs three straight seasons. That's my opinion.

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[TexanBob]

I do not feel a first round pick should be used on a QB, when ours is only 30, and has led us to the playoffs three straight seasons. That's my opinion.

:Broncos:

And that's a very valid one. It's very unlikely Young falls that far anyway. I think the Raiders will take him if he's there (they aren't intimidated by low IQs) and the Cowboys are another team, at 16, which would seem unlikely to pass on him if he fell that far.

My dream scenario would be to deal a 2007 #1 for him because next year's draft is likely to be crap and then you get, in essence, a "free year" to develop him in an NFL camp and NFL exhibitions. You'd probably need to add more to the deal but a third-rounder would probably do the trick.

If we can waste a #3 on Clarett, how much worse could we do with Vince Young?