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Crushisback

03-14-2006, 06:44 AM

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03-14-2006, 06:51 AM

My only fear is that the loss of Carter will cause us to make a bigger mistake and overpay for Gaybraham.

Crushisback

03-14-2006, 06:52 AM

Better to pay him then Carter.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 06:57 AM

Better to pay him then Carter.
Why?

Crushisback

03-14-2006, 06:59 AM

Why?

UMMM....He's much better than Carter.

I'm not saying I agree with an Abraham deal but Carter has been a major bust since entering the league, Abraham, while he has a bad attitude, at least produces.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 07:00 AM

UMMM....He's much better than Carter.

I'm not saying I agree with an Abraham deal but Carter has been a major bust since entering the league, Abraham, while he has a bad attitude, at least produces.
Not a 1st and 10 million (or whatever his bonus would be) better.

baja

03-14-2006, 07:10 AM

My only fear is that the loss of Carter will cause us to make a bigger mistake and overpay for Gaybraham.

That's my thinking too.

I really don't want him at all but the teams that are considering him are dwindling. Looks like seattle Atlanta and us are the only suitors left so he may not get the mega deal every one thinks he will, still he is not worth a first IMO.

HEAV

03-14-2006, 07:13 AM

Go get the talent. You set the market. Don't let the competetor set it for you.

If you want the steak go get it now. Because if you wait for the price to drop your left with ground chuck.

meangene

03-14-2006, 07:19 AM

It seems to me everyone is panicing because we are not active in FA as of yet. I don't think we should be, look at all these average players getting BIG money just because these teams have "new" money to play with. We are seeing a spending frenzy right now and frankly I'm glad we're not taking part.
Did you really want A. Carter for 5 mill a year? Did you really want J. Lewis for 9 mil a year? We have to be smart, if we are not we will lose Wilson and or Bailey for the same reason we had to let Pryce go. We were close last year we can't mortgage our future right now.

I absolutely agree. Idiots like Dan Snyder are mortgaging his team's future to overpay for mediocre talent while driving the market out of control. We have a very good team in place. We only need a couple of pieces. TO is still out there. So are Givens, Abraham, R. Williams (maybe) and several DT's. We have multiple extra draft picks including two firsts. Chill out people! Our team has proven it will pay huge money but only for the right player. The ramifications of signing the wrong guys to big money contracts are huge - lingering on for years after the fact. Have a little faith!

fontaine

03-14-2006, 07:26 AM

My only fear is that the loss of Carter will cause us to make a bigger mistake and overpay for Gaybraham.

Hopefully, Snyder's pig stupidity in giving Carter $30milliion over 5-6 years has priced us out of the Abraham sweepstakes since he'll undoubtedly want a lot more than that.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 07:27 AM

I absolutely agree. Idiots like Dan Snyder are mortgaging his team's future to overpay for mediocre talent while driving the market out of control.
Would you be saying the same thing if he owned the Broncos and was bringing in all these quality players trying to win right now?

baja

03-14-2006, 07:34 AM

Would you be saying the same thing if he owned the Broncos and was bringing in all these quality players trying to win right now?

Good question!

I would really like to know the long term cap ramifications. If they have created a future mess ala SF or Dallas than no but if it is only the money than sure why not let Pat spend his dough for a ring.

meangene

03-14-2006, 07:35 AM

Would you be saying the same thing if he owned the Broncos and was bringing in all these quality players trying to win right now?

YES!!!!! I don't think you win right now by overpaying for the best available talent and screwing your franchise for the future. You win by being smart, using all the available avenues (draft, FA, scouting, etc.) and building a team and a system that works year in and year out. Look at who's winning Super Bowls. Have any of them done it like Snyder? NO!

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 07:37 AM

YES!!!!! I don't think you win right now by overpaying for the best available talent and screwing your franchise for the future. You win by being smart, using all the available avenues (draft, FA, scouting, etc.) and building a team and a system that works year in and year out. Look at who's winning Super Bowls. Have any of them done it like Snyder? NO!
Doesn't look like he's been "screwing" the franchise. The guy spends big bucks every chance he gets on players, has been for years.

They probably just became the favorite in NFC for the SB.

fontaine

03-14-2006, 07:43 AM

Doesn't look like he's been "screwing" the franchise. The guy spends big bucks every chance he gets on players, has been for years.

They probably just became the favorite in NFC for the SB.

hey, they made a decision to go through one/two years of cap hell somewhere in the future where all those backloaded and restructured contracts will have to be paid out in order to have a genuine two/three years window of opportunity now.

It's not good or bad. It just is. And Snyderbrenner is probably thinking ahead and saying to himself and in those one/two years of cap hell they'll spring back with getting top 5 picks in the draft as well.

It's not the the smartest way to work, but it sure gets those NFL fans buying into your franchise.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 07:46 AM

hey, they made a decision to go through one/two years of cap hell somewhere in the future where all those backloaded and restructured contracts will have to be paid out in order to have a genuine two/three years window of opportunity now.

Uh, that's what people were saying just 1 week ago, how'd that workout? :)

Old Dude

03-14-2006, 07:47 AM

Reminds me a little of the spending spree we saw in the first year of free agency, back in the 90's. Everyone went wild for a year or two, especially the Skins, then settled down a bit.

meangene

03-14-2006, 07:51 AM

Doesn't look like he's been "screwing" the franchise. The guy spends big bucks every chance he gets on players, has been for years.

They probably just became the favorite in NFC for the SB.

Maybe they are the favorites. I don't know. To date, all that spending has gotten them three different head coaches and one playoff berth. Who's their QB? What draft picks do they have left? Can they even pay them? What about chemistry and continuity? Almost all of his deals are seven year deals with huge signing bonuses pro-rated over that time. As these players drop by the wayside all that money comes due. It's a matter of time as to when. Soon, I think. And, with no young talent being groomed behind them, then what? We can disagree, I guess, on whether this is how you build a franchise. I, for one, am glad we're not doing it this way.

Crushisback

03-14-2006, 07:56 AM

Would you be saying the same thing if he owned the Broncos and was bringing in all these quality players trying to win right now?

What Quality players?

Randle El> over four years has 7 td's (1 last year) and averages 40 catches, never over 50 in a seeason. 601 for yards last year, a career high. He now makes more than Joe Horn and Torry Holt to name a couple.

A. Carter> Very average, 6 sacks a year for his five years in the league, 4 years removed from his best year (12 sacks) 2 & 4.5 the last two. He is now making more than J. Peppers and Jason Taylor to name a couple.

B. Lloyd> 1500 yards and 13 TD's in three years on an offense where he is the main recieving target. Don't know what he makes but probably too much.

This is my point, It's great to see additional talent come in to your teams roster but not at the inflated price that they are comung into Washington.

Orange_Beard

03-14-2006, 07:57 AM

Crazy how every time someone is cut/released the board swirls about the player.
It has been fun watching the dust settle, to see who is left standing.
We are pretty much back to where we started the off season speculation.
TO & RW, JA.
I really think it will be TO or JA, one not both. If we get one Shanny will stand pat and keep the cap in good shape.
MHO.

baja

03-14-2006, 08:00 AM

What does those inflated prices do to the moral of the team when you see a guy that does not contribute nearly as much as you do making twice the money

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 08:05 AM

What Quality players?

Randle El> over four years has 7 td's (1 last year) and averages 40 catches, never over 50 in a seeason. 601 for yards last year, a career high. He now makes more than Joe Horn and Torry Holt to name a couple.

A. Carter> Very average, 6 sacks a year for his five years in the league, 4 years removed from his best year (12 sacks) 2 & 4.5 the last two. He is now making more than J. Peppers and Jason Taylor to name a couple.

B. Lloyd> 1500 yards and 13 TD's in three years on an offense where he is the main recieving target. Don't know what he makes but probably too much.

This is my point, It's great to see additional talent come in to your teams roster but not at the inflated price that they are comung into Washington.

All 3 of those players would upgrade our team.

Crushisback

03-14-2006, 08:15 AM

All 3 of those players would upgrade our team.

I forgot Adam Archueleta> He is now the highest paid saftey in the league, that is a joke.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want them or they are not an upgrade, but they are definatly NOT worth the money.

fontaine

03-14-2006, 08:16 AM

Uh, that's what people were saying just 1 week ago, how'd that workout? :)

Dude, you are seriously living in Fantasy land if you think any team that keeps restructuring and backloading contracts every year won't have to deal with salary cap hell somewhere down the line.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 08:19 AM

Dude, you are seriously living in Fantasy land if you think any team that keeps restructuring and backloading contracts every year won't have to deal with salary cap hell somewhere down the line.
You missed my point. Just last week, there were reports saying that since Snyder had been spending crazy for years the Redskins would have to play 20 rookies this year.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 08:20 AM

I forgot Adam Archueleta> He is now the highest paid saftey in the league, that is a joke.

I'm not saying I wouldn't want them or they are not an upgrade, but they are definatly NOT worth the money.
They are if you have it and the cap doesn't seem to apply to your team somehow.

Smiling Assassin27

03-14-2006, 08:29 AM

Looks like Matt Schaub is on the trading block. May be worth a look as Jake's eventual replacement. Him or McCown.

Meck77

03-14-2006, 08:30 AM

Maybe they are the favorites. I don't know. To date, all that spending has gotten them three different head coaches and one playoff berth. .

and no superbowls..........The patriots didn't get their way to the top by outspending everyone. Ofcourse they managed to draft talent year in year out.

I'm going to reserve judgement on the FA situation for a bit longer. We've been hearing from the Broncos "We are only a couple players away from getting to the next level" for years now. FA isn't done and the draft hasn't even started but we don't have alot of margin for error at this point.

The Redskins are running their business like alot of small businesses that fail. They are ringing up those credit cards and eventually the bills will come due.

You don't buy superbowls. They still have to be earned. Well unless your are the Chiefs. They may have sold their soul to atleast host a superbowl and in a sense bought one. Too bad they won't ever play in one.Ha!

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 08:31 AM

Looks like Matt Schaub is on the trading block. May be worth a look as Jake's eventual replacement. Him or McCown.
He'll want to start where ever he goes. He's pretty good!

fontaine

03-14-2006, 08:32 AM

Looks like Matt Schaub is on the trading block. May be worth a look as Jake's eventual replacement. Him or McCown.

I would have Schaub anyday over McClown.

He's looked poised in the pocket, has a good arm and might have real upside. He's a bit slow in his release but I would bring him in.

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 08:34 AM

You don't buy superbowls. They still have to be earned.

That hasn't been proven one way or the other yet I'd say.
With the Redskins defense and upgrading their offense they just became and instant contender for a championship.

x123z

03-14-2006, 08:34 AM

Stay out of the free agent market. Draft!

Kaylore

03-14-2006, 08:36 AM

and no superbowls..........The patriots didn't get their way to the top by outspending everyone. Ofcourse they managed to draft talent year in year out.

I'm going to reserve judgement on the FA situation for a bit longer. We've been hearing from the Broncos "We are only a couple players away from getting to the next level" for years now. FA isn't done and the draft hasn't even started but we don't have alot of margin for error at this point.

The Redskins are running their business like alot of small businesses that fail. They are ringing up those credit cards and eventually the bills will come due.

You don't buy superbowls. They still have to be earned. Well unless your are the Chiefs. They may have sold their soul to atleast host a superbowl and in a sense bought one. Too bad they won't ever play in one.Ha!
Rep. The Redskins shelling out the moolah is certainly the sexier and obviously more fan-pleasing thing to do, but it doesn't always work and when it doesn't, organizations can have egg on their face. Just look at the Chiefs last year.

I'm not going to freak out. We didn't do the Browncos trade until a few weeks after the FA period started lasy year, I could very easily see us waiting for things to cool off and then we start making controlled decissions.

And everyone should know that this pretty much guatantees we aren't getting Abraham. He'll be looking for three times what the market gave Andre Carter. Shanahan hates over spending in free agency.

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 08:40 AM

We are always on the right course and we're doing exactly what we need to do.

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 08:42 AM

That hasn't been proven one way or the other yet I'd say.
With the Redskins defense and upgrading their offense they just became and instant contender for a championship.

they already were a contender

meangene

03-14-2006, 08:43 AM

Rep. The Redskins shelling out the moolah is certainly the sexier and obviously more fan-pleasing thing to do, but it doesn't always work and when it doesn't, organizations can have egg on their face. Just look at the Chiefs last year.

I'm not going to freak out. We didn't do the Browncos trade until a few weeks after the FA period started lasy year, I could very easily see us waiting for things to cool off and then we start making controlled decissions.

And everyone should know that this pretty much guatantees we aren't getting Abraham. He'll be looking for three times what the market gave Andre Carter. Shanahan hates over spending in free agency.

Maybe. The thing is that Abraham is not a free agent and has to be traded. Whoever wants him has to be able to satisfy the Jets first. Also, the number of teams interested in trading for him is dwindling with all the signings eating up their cap space. Abraham may have a choice to make - go back to the Jets on the one year tender or take a little less money to sign a long term deal elsewhere. This could work to our benefit in terms of his contract.

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 08:45 AM

I would have Schaub anyday over McClown.

He's looked poised in the pocket, has a good arm and might have real upside. He's a bit slow in his release but I would bring him in.

Schaub should be starting some where...he's that good. He's better than Carr, Alex Rodgers/Smtih...whatever the 1st round clowns were last year.., Brooks, Vick, Culpepper, Brees, and many others IMO.

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-14-2006, 08:47 AM

H3ll just froze over - a VT guy giving credit to a UVA player :)

Den Smith 49

03-14-2006, 08:49 AM

Schaub should be starting some where...he's that good. He's better than Carr, Alex Rodgers/Smtih...whatever the 1st round clowns were last year.., Brooks, Vick, Culpepper, Brees, and many others IMO.

Who is Matt Schaub?

bronco militia

03-14-2006, 08:51 AM

Who is Matt Schaub?

the best QB on the Atlanta Falcons roster ;D

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 08:52 AM

H3ll just froze over - a VT guy giving credit to a UVA player :)

You didn't have to point it out....ya bum. :)

Orange_Beard

03-14-2006, 08:53 AM

I forgot Adam Archueleta> He is now the highest paid saftey in the league, that is a joke.

Agree, This guy is so over rated.

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 08:56 AM

He's also better IMO at the QB position than Rothlisberger, Plummer, Green, Warner, Kitna, Pennington, Leftwich, Griese, Sims, Burnell, and any current mid-tier QB you can name.

fontaine

03-14-2006, 09:02 AM

He's also better IMO at the QB position than Rothlisberger, Plummer, Green, Warner, Kitna, Pennington, Leftwich, Griese, Sims, Burnell, and any current mid-tier QB you can name.

When did I say Matt Schaub should start?

You're beginning to sound like Mock on one of his incoherent drunken rants!

Bronco_Beerslug

03-14-2006, 09:11 AM

When did I say Matt Schaub should start?

You're beginning to sound like Mock on one of his incoherent drunken rants!

LOL
Garcia has been known to go off tangent every once in awhile.

Garcia Bronco

03-14-2006, 09:48 AM

When did I say Matt Schaub should start?

You're beginning to sound like Mock on one of his incoherent drunken rants!

I think you're taking it the wrong way. Calm down. Put your guns away. I said he should start.

Taco John

03-14-2006, 09:55 AM

Go get the talent. You set the market. Don't let the competetor set it for you.

If you want the steak go get it now. Because if you wait for the price to drop your left with ground chuck.

bah... Screw that noise. Let the teams that always overpay do so, and look for the right situation.