TO & Abraham WILL be Broncos

[TheReverend]

It's funny to see how much everyone's freaking out because the Redskins are doing their annual wad-blowing on average players. The BEST players at our 2 "need" positions are JA and TO... they'll be broncos by april.

To all the TO and JA haters, you won't complain when they produce in a Broncos uniform... I guarantee it.

[Kaylore]

Is this just something your gut tells you? I think I'd take Abe for our second round pick.

[SoCalBronco]

Denver better not even think of either of them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Denver better not even think of either of them.
TO... and we go to the bowl.

[TheReverend]

Is this just something your gut tells you? I think I'd take Abe for our second round pick.

Same reason I called Denver 13-3. Same reason I called Pryce would stay and Brown would choose us. I got this sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

[SoCalBronco]

TO... and we go to the bowl.

The Toilet Bowl.

[Ray Finkle]

TO... and we go to the bowl.

toilet bowl....DAMMIT SOCAL YOU BEAT ME TO IT...

[TheReverend]

Denver better not even think of either of them.

You're also anti-Gold who nearly had a pro-bowl season... I think Sunquist could set world records by asking you which players you hate at each position.

[chaz]

i think that either/both would help add a win or two but i dont know if you can count on both of them working out from a chemistry standpoint

[Gcver2ver3]

Denver better not even think of either of them.


why not?

those are impact players....our team isn't going to repeat last year's results without major improvements.....

[-Slap-]

It's funny to see how much everyone's freaking out because the Redskins are doing their annual wad-blowing on average players. The BEST players at our 2 "need" positions are JA and TO... they'll be broncos by april.

To all the TO and JA haters, you won't complain when they produce in a Broncos uniform... I guarantee it.
TO is our worst nightmare and Abraham is such a reach for that price its not even funny.

[HEAV]

It's funny to see how much everyone's freaking out because the Redskins are doing their annual wad-blowing on average players. The BEST players at our 2 "need" positions are JA and TO... they'll be broncos by april.

To all the TO and JA haters, you won't complain when they produce in a Broncos uniform... I guarantee it.


April! They better have it done be Tuesday night! Wed. the latest!

[maven]

The Toilet Bowl.

Yet, you were high on a player who hasn't produced **** in over two seasons.::)

[broncohaven]

TO is our worst nightmare and Abraham is such a reach for that price its not even funny.
You don't even know what the price is.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

The Toilet Bowl.
Nope, Shanahan wants him, he'll take us to the next level.

[chaz]

April! They better have it done be Tuesday night! Wed. the latest!


neither one will be around in april, heav has it right....get it done if you want someone

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Courtney Brown will go to the Pro Bowl again next year, too.

[extralife]

Again?

[Clockwork Orange]

Courtney Brown will go to the Pro Bowl again next year, too.

He and Jared Allen can catch a flight together. :thumbs:

[TheReverend]

neither one will be around in april, heav has it right....get it done if you want someone

One may still be around next week... a lot of these deals go quick but sometime even the high end players take some time so they can shop around and string the media on a little longer... I think TO will enjoy being the center of attention for a couple more weeks.

Regardless, they'll be broncos and they'll be broncos soon.

Why have so many people lost faith? If Shannahan wants them, who are you to say "NOOOOOOOOO!" The man's track record is phenomenal.

PS. One of the best decisions Shannahan ever made... cutting Mike Anderson.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Again?

I'm just smacking on the rev a little bit. Last year he predicted Courtney Brown would lead the Broncos in sacks and go the pro bowl.

He's not quite the Nostradamus he's making himself out to be. And he owes me money, too.

[TheReverend]

Courtney Brown will go to the Pro Bowl again next year, too.

along with middlebrooks? homer's gotta eat.

PS. Courtney Brown owns Jared Allen.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

FTR I'll be incredibly pissed and scared ****less if you guys get T.O.

[TheReverend]

I'm just smacking on the rev a little bit. Last year he predicted Courtney Brown would lead the Broncos in sacks and go the pro bowl.

He's not quite the Nostradamus he's making himself out to be. And he owes me money, too.

Yup this is the first post Bob ever wrote that actually had some validity and truth behind it. If I weren't insanely lazy and computer adept, it'd be taken care of by now, but oh well.

[spdirty]

Same reason I called Denver 13-3. Same reason I called Pryce would stay and Brown would choose us. I got this sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet.


pm me the powerball numbers and Ill give you my wife for one night to do anything you want to her.

[RMT]

Is this just something your gut tells you? I think I'd take Abe for our second round pick.

That's as high as I would go ... I wouldn't trade 1st round pick for JA for the salary he'll be expecting to receive. Save the cap space and draft a player.

Plus, who knows ... last year the Broncos made some trades that no one was expecting. Gerard Warren for a 4th round pick?! ... now THAT'S the way to trade picks.

[CBF1]

SoCal... I like and respect you, But you are out of your mind if you do not think TO would help this team BIG time. He is in the top 5 as far as play makers goes in the entire NFL and yet you continue to say no no no. Who the hello do you think we could get that would make an impact like him?

Moulds? Not a chance and as far as a rookie goes forget it. TO is the best player available period man.

[RMT]

SoCal... I like and respect you, But you are out of your mind if you do not think TO would help this team BIG time. He is in the top 5 as far as play makers goes in the entire NFL and yet you continue to say no no no. Who the hello do you think we could get that would make an impact like him?

Moulds? Not a chance and as far as a rookie goes forget it. TO is the best player available period man.

That makes sense to me :)

[extralife]

There is, of course, a reason he's available.

[SoCalBronco]

SoCal... I like and respect you, But you are out of your mind if you do not think TO would help this team BIG time. He is in the top 5 as far as play makers goes in the entire NFL and yet you continue to say no no no. Who the hello do you think we could get that would make an impact like him?

Moulds? Not a chance and as far as a rookie goes forget it. TO is the best player available period man.

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has bitched endlessly about his other QBs. He has bitched endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

[spdirty]

Injuries are more deadly and more of a cancer to a teams record than TO could ever be.

[RMT]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

No one doubts the potential disaster TO could bring to the Broncos, however, at some point TO is going to be a lower risk than people make him out to be. He isn't a spring chicken anymore ... if the Broncos (or anyone else for that matter) were to sign him and it panned out, it could be one of the best FA signings this offseason. If it doesn't work out, no one will be surprised. To me that seems less of a risk since everyone is expecting TO to continue to self (and team)-destruct. I feel it's worth considering.

[azbroncfan]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

The eagles did put up with his crap until the injuries were just too much to overcome. Even if TO shutup and didn't say anything they would of had just as bad of year with all the injuries, TO was a big part of their problems but not all of it, they didn't sit him down until Denver destroyed them and crippled playoff chances.

[TheReverend]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

Every single thing you just said about jake not taking **** is the exact reason I think it would work phenomenally well.

[rbackfactory80]

Same reason I called Denver 13-3. Same reason I called Pryce would stay and Brown would choose us. I got this sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet.

Didn't you tell me Miami was going to the playoffs last year?

[SoCalBronco]

Every single thing you just said about jake not taking **** is the exact reason I think it would work phenomenally well.

So you want Jake and TO to get into a wrestling match on the sideline after one of Jake's patented inaccurate passes?

[TheReverend]

Didn't you tell me Miami was going to the playoffs last year?

Yeah and that Denver would beat Minnesota in the Superbowl... dont ruin the magic.

[TheReverend]

So you want Jake and TO to get into a wrestling match on the sideline after one of Jake's patented inaccurate passes?

TO's situation was blown out of proportion. Now he needs to look at his future... he loves the game and attention and there's only one way to immortalize yourself... the Hall of Fame.

TO cant get there without revamping his image... he can still attention whore all day, but he'll be good enough for everyone to get along.

No wrestling match... if TO has some criticism for Jake he can join the club of supposed Bronco "fans" on the Mane. Jake's heard it all before and NEWSFLASH he doesnt give a ****

[DarkHorse30]

.... Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible....

This is where your typing fingers left your brain behind. In spite of Plummer's "inability to hit open people" (if you're defining Putz as being open, I would daresay you haven't watched many Bronco games) he remains as one of the best in the NFL at throwing on the run. Now think back to how many TARGETS Plummer had during the past 2 seasons.....yet somehow Denver managed to make the playoffs for the 3rd year in a row.....every Plummer season.

I'm not Plummer's apologist (look it up) but the guy is a gamer.....and the fact that he cares little what is said about him, means that he would be a good candidate for helping TO to greatness. Ditto Rod Smith....and Ditto Ash Lelie. None of these guys care what anybody says about him. TO could have a crying S***fit every game...and as long as Denver won, nobody would care, especially the rest of the offense. I would call that a dream situation. Star player upset about something....yet unable to give less than 110%. What a troubling situation that would be........

[broncolife]

Im all for TO coming to Denver. Plus, we might get to see Plummer flip him the bird.

[chaz]

i think that TO will have enough people reminding him that he already has one foot out the door, and he will not get another shot at the HOF like rev said....

TO needs to win to solidify his legacy and confirm his greatness, so far he hasnt done it and i think he will realize it

[TheReverend]

Didn't you tell me Miami was going to the playoffs last year?

PS. Had Miami beat the Pats in their first match up, they WOULD have gone to the playoffs

[SoCalBronco]

i think that TO will have enough people reminding him that he already has one foot out the door, and he will not get another shot at the HOF like rev said....

TO needs to win to solidify his legacy and confirm his greatness, so far he hasnt done it and i think he will realize it

These types of arguments were made for MoC last year (believe me I know, I was trying to make them).

Sometimes a turd is just a turd.

[extralife]

he remains as one of the best in the NFL at throwing on the run.

You know who else was great at throwing to TO on the run? How about Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb. He didn't seem to care for them much.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

You know guys there was a time when TO was Terrell Owens. It was when Steve Young and Jerry Rice where around him. Now I'm not saying that Jake Plummer or Rod Smith are anywhere near what Young and Rice has done but TO wasn't TO until they had long gone and he was the only one left on the team. And the same thing last year with the Eagles. Injuries all over the team and half a McNabe left and old TO came out. But in 2004 TO was quite when the Eagle were winning.

[azbroncfan]

PS. Had Miami beat the Pats in their first match up, they WOULD have gone to the playoffs

Please don't say that, if KC had beat just one of any of their close losses they would have went, if denver beat Pitt they would of went to superbowl, if the cardinals WOULD of won all their games they would of been undefeated in regular season, this could go on forever. It is what it is and SD is still the best 9-7 team in history.

[Jetmeck]

pm me the powerball numbers and Ill give you my wife for one night to do anything you want to her.


Better send pics first......lol j/k

[TheReverend]

Please don't say that, if KC had beat just one of any of their close losses they would have went, if denver beat Pitt they would of went to superbowl, if the cardinals WOULD of won all their games they would of been undefeated in regular season, this could go on forever. It is what it is and SD is still the best 9-7 team in history.

Just defending my stand last season when I claimed Miami was now a competitive team

[Jetmeck]

i think that TO will have enough people reminding him that he already has one foot out the door, and he will not get another shot at the HOF like rev said....

TO needs to win to solidify his legacy and confirm his greatness, so far he hasnt done it and i think he will realize it

Agreed.......

[broncolife]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

Can you imagine what will happen if Plummer gets hurt(knock on wood) and BVP is throwing the passes to Owens(or should I say running and not throwing passes to Owens).

[rbackfactory80]

PS. Had Miami beat the Pats in their first match up, they WOULD have gone to the playoffs

Oh it was a bold prediction, and I definitely didn't see them finishing 9-7 even though the Pats gave them that last win.

[chaz]

These types of arguments were made for MoC last year (believe me I know, I was trying to make them).

Sometimes a turd is just a turd.


terrell owens is in no way MoC....he is talented and an nfl gamebreaker.

[TheReverend]

Can you imagine what will happen if Plummer gets hurt(knock on wood) and BVP is throwing the passes to Owens(or should I say running and not throwing passes to Owens).

I can... we have a guy that makes his bread and butter in YAC that BVP (and Plummer) will feel comfortable throwing short passes to and seeing good gains.

[TheReverend]

Oh it was a bold prediction, and I definitely didn't see them finishing 9-7 even though the Pats gave them that last win.

And they were trying to give it back too... I watched that game.

[RMT]

These types of arguments were made for MoC last year (believe me I know, I was trying to make them).

Sometimes a turd is just a turd.

Just remember, though, that a turd - if used properly - is considered fertilizer.

[extralife]

You know guys there was a time when TO was Terrell Owens. It was when Steve Young and Jerry Rice where around him. Now I'm not saying that Jake Plummer or Rod Smith are anywhere near what Young and Rice has done but TO wasn't TO until they had long gone and he was the only one left on the team.

Don't give me that, man. I'm as much a Niners fan as I am a Broncos fan, and TO was always this guy, he just didn't have the clout to do his thing untill he became an all-pro. He never got along with Jerry Rice (Jerry got the early boot by Walsh because of TO, largely), and he always hated Mooch. He started his little games the second he figured out he could do it. It's who he is.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Sometimes a turd is just a turd.

And TO is a huge turd that gets sh1t all over everything near him.

This team won on chemistry last year. Bring in TO, he destroys the "team" and the Broncs go 8-8.

[TheDave]

I'm as much a Niners fan as I am a Broncos fan,

So your an NFL polygamist...

[extralife]

So your an NFL polygamist...

I lived in San Fran during the eighties as a kid--what do you want from me?

[TheDave]

I lived in San Fran during the eighties as a kid--what do you want from me?

You gotta divorce one before you marry another...;D

[RMT]

And TO is a huge turd that gets sh1t all over everything near him.

This team won on chemistry last year. Bring in TO, he destroys the "team" and the Broncs go 8-8.

Some were saying the same thing about Gerard Warren and Courtney Brown last year, too.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Some were saying the same thing about Gerard Warren and Courtney Brown last year, too.

No they weren't. No one called them bad people. TO is a bad person. Warren was accused of being lazy and unmotivated and Brown was chronically hurt. Totally different story.

[extralife]

You gotta divorce one before you marry another...;D

No, that's far worse. The only time you can ever dump a team as a fan is if they move.

[Free Tatum Bell]

Some were saying the same thing about Gerard Warren and Courtney Brown last year, too.

Neither Warren or Brown did anything remotely close to what Owens has done 2 of the last 3 years.

[TheReverend]

No they weren't. No one called them bad people. TO is a bad person. Warren was accused of being lazy and unmotivated and Brown was chronically hurt. Totally different story.

Bad person? Do you know him personally?

How would you deal with a camera in your face all day everyday? Im guessing eventually you'll bitch about something at work... then Jim Rome gets his grubby hands on it and you're a "selfish" prick.

What's so wrong with criticizing Donovan McNabb? TO and Rush Limbaugh both got crucified for it.

[DarkHorse30]

You know who else was great at throwing to TO on the run? How about Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb. He didn't seem to care for them much.

The niners had bigger problems than TO. McNabb is a crybaby. Next.......

Seriously.....it is very likely that TO will stay in the weak conference and be Jerry Jones' boytoy.....but if he ever wants to truly be on a championship caliber team, with a championship caliber organization, Denver is his best option.

[Free Tatum Bell]

Bad person? Do you know him personally?

How would you deal with a camera in your face all day everyday? Im guessing eventually you'll b**** about something at work... then Jim Rome gets his grubby hands on it and you're a "selfish" prick.

What's so wrong with criticizing Donovan McNabb? TO and Rush Limbaugh both got crucified for it.


Every team has ****heads on it. For someone to be such a cancer that one of the best teams in the NFL pays them to stay away from them.....

And it's not like we're talking about FredEx here. Probably the most talented WR in the game. For the Eagles to give up on him he must have been intolerable.

[RMT]

TO threads remind me of a good statistics quote:

"Torture numbers long enough and they'll confess to anything."

We are all just going to have to "agree to disagree" about this. It's all moot until the Broncos something, or ANYTHING for that matter, in FA. All we've done until now is resign key Broncos.

It's okay ... In Shanahan We Trust.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Bad person? Do you know him personally?

How would you deal with a camera in your face all day everyday? Im guessing eventually you'll b**** about something at work... then Jim Rome gets his grubby hands on it and you're a "selfish" prick.

What's so wrong with criticizing Donovan McNabb? TO and Rush Limbaugh both got crucified for it.

Football is a team game way beyond any other major sport. To play the game you need to play as a team. TO has never done that. He p1ssed all over everything in SF and in Philly, just to satisfy his ego. To quote Jim Armstrong, there is no I in team but there are two in idiot.

You wrote a book that I have not read, but if your hero in the book is a spy and someone on his team was jealous and started mouthing off, it would destroy the gig and probably kill the agency. Samething with TO and any team he is on.

[TheReverend]

Football is a team game way beyond any other major sport. To play the game you need to play as a team. TO has never done that. He p1ssed all over everything in SF and in Philly, just to satisfy his ego. To quote Jim Armstrong, there is no I in team but there are two in idiot.

You wrote a book that I have not read, but if your hero in the book is a spy and someone on his team was jealous and started mouthing off, it would destroy the gig and probably kill the agency. Samething with TO and any team he is on.

Im glad you compared the NFL to international espionage (which has nothing to do with my book)....

Moving on! Football's a team game but also about big plays. How many games did we win because of big plays? 14.

[Al Wilson]

Shanahan is definitely patient this off-season. This tells you that when his #1 target is on the market he will make the splash. I think we will get either 1 of the 2 (Owens or John Abraham) or probably both since the team has enough space.

Remember last year when Gold was cut, Shanahan signed him quick. Also, when Warren was available, Shanahan jumped up and traded for him fast.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[TheReverend]

TO is the perfect drug

[extralife]

TO is the perfect drug

In that he'll make you feel great for a little while until the high wears off and you start grinding your teeth and tearing at your flesh hoping for a way out of the madness?

Yeah. Pretty much.

[TheReverend]

In that he'll make you feel great for a little while until the high wears off and you start grinding your teeth and tearing at your flesh hoping for a way out of the madness?

Yeah. Pretty much.

Get a job hippy

[extralife]

But I don't WANNA!

[DBroncos4life]

geeze for the talk around here you would think that the Skins signed the 89 49ers players in there prime instead of Randle el, Arch, Carter, and Lloyd. Lets not forget they over paid for everyone of those players too.

[24champ]

I think its time to add some of these threads to my favorites list and sometime next year everyone is going to be DEAD WRONG again like last year. Bring TO, ABE, Lendale White!

PS Rev does your gut tell you Lendale White will be on the team?

http://boifromtroy.com/archives/lendale%20white%20colorado%20state%20touchdown.jpg

[DBroncos4life]

SoCal, Im with you on not wanting to trade picks but Ive also started to warm up to the Abe thing. So in your mind how could we flip this deal to make you feel better. We should land a comp 3rd and maybe a 4th. Now tossing them our first is too much to swallow for me without getting something back. Would trading spots in the second be enough or would that be asking too much on our part. Im tired I don't really care about value on picks right now either. ;) I think I could live with that and tossing them our 4th rounder if that makes things better.

[TheManeMan]

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[cfh]

You're also anti-Gold who nearly had a pro-bowl season... I think Sunquist could set world records by asking you which players you hate at each position.
if u r right u r my idiol
PLEASE BE RIGHT

[RMT]

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Cool shirt ;)

[SoCalBronco]

You're also anti-Gold who nearly had a pro-bowl season... I think Sunquist could set world records by asking you which players you hate at each position.

Pro Bowl my ass....he made some plays, especially some plays at oppurtune times like the Redskin game, but he benefitted from Trevor and Warren on the same side in the run game department and having DJ do the dirty work for him banging around with the lineman and filling at the point so he could come from the backside and make plays. And he had what, 3 sacks after being touted as this big time supposed sackmaster based on his 6.5 sack season in 2002. Even Warren, getting held on the inside by opposing GCG combos all season had the same amount of sacks. 88 tackles? Weak, especially when the coaches bent over backwards to feature him and he was on the field ALL the time.

Come on Rev, your better than this.

[GreatBronco16]

Didn't read the whole thread but I found this on KFFL.

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos have about $4.57 million left in workable salary cap space to sign a front-line free agent. The team currently sits at $90.2 million against the $102 million salary cap. That includes the team's recent re-signings of RB Ron Dayne, DL Gerard Warren, and TE Mike Leach. The team will need to make sure there is space to sign players they pick on draft day.



So we are setting aside around 8 million for the draft? If that is the case then it looks like we will land 1 maybe 2 FAs(Not TO or Abe) and have one hell of a draft. With that money, it appears that Denver will be keeping both 1st round picks. I'm just speculating here though so..................well, I'm still pissed that the Skins are somehow staying under the cap with all these signings.

[broncohaven]

You know guys there was a time when TO was Terrell Owens. It was when Steve Young and Jerry Rice where around him. Now I'm not saying that Jake Plummer or Rod Smith are anywhere near what Young and Rice has done but TO wasn't TO until they had long gone and he was the only one left on the team. And the same thing last year with the Eagles. Injuries all over the team and half a McNabe left and old TO came out. But in 2004 TO was quite when the Eagle were winning.
Great point. Something I said on antoher thread; Terrell has never been a problem when he's had a leader around him. When Terrell is left leaderless he gets in trouble. Name one leader on the 49ers (post Young and Rice) or Eagles who can hold a jock to Rod, Jake, Lynch, Wilson, or Burns.

You couple that leadership with knowing he's down to his last chance and the provision-laden contract that he's going to have to sign, and I think that he can get on fine in Denver.

Socal,
Comparing TO to MoC is absurd.

[chrisp]

The skins are managing the cap to sign the big players, but it doesn't tell you what the effect is further down the the roster - are they keeping quality backups, or are they sacrificing depth to get the marquee players?

The Snyder approach may well work for the skins this year, but let's not forget its something he's been doing for a few years now, and it's yet to net him a trophy.

BIG season for the skins this year - if they don't make a legitimate shot at division title then you can happily say that all these big signings have FAILED - becuase they will have to carry these bonuses on the cap for years to come so they won't be doing this every year....

As for Abraham and TO, my biggest concern is that the new CBA protects bad-attitude players: we can't suspend a player for 'Conduct detrimental to the team' like we did with Gardener, we have to cut them or keep them on the bench. MoC and DG were never allowed to become a cancer becuase Shanny wouldn't let them, but can you imagine cutting TO before a playoff game becuase he's been ragging on Plummer and then seeing him turn up for the opposition the following week? It could happen - what the Eagles did to him last season is NOT ALLOWED ANYMORE under the new CBA. The player has to refuse to play before a team can do anything.

Having said that I do not doubt the contribution that either player could make, and if we sign either of them I'll tust that the evaluation Shanny et al can make of their character is better than any evaluation that we can make through rumours and the media.

Tough choices ahead, but at least it makes the offseason more interesting...:rofl:

[eddie mac]

Didn't read the whole thread but I found this on KFFL.

Jeff Legwold, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos have about $4.57 million left in workable salary cap space to sign a front-line free agent. The team currently sits at $90.2 million against the $102 million salary cap. That includes the team's recent re-signings of RB Ron Dayne, DL Gerard Warren, and TE Mike Leach. The team will need to make sure there is space to sign players they pick on draft day.



So we are setting aside around 8 million for the draft? If that is the case then it looks like we will land 1 maybe 2 FAs(Not TO or Abe) and have one hell of a draft. With that money, it appears that Denver will be keeping both 1st round picks. I'm just speculating here though so..................well, I'm still pissed that the Skins are somehow staying under the cap with all these signings.

KFFL have copied and pasted that info from Legwold and somehow they fvcked it up. We have $4.57m left to play with in FA, $3m plus has already been set aside for the rookie pool.

[bpc]

We are still argueing about Gold? Man. All I can say is that we were 13-3 with Williams and Gold onthe field. Damn the stats, i want to see results... and both performed for us.

On to the pass rush... i'm not keen on giving up a 1st round but I like what Abraham could give to this defense... which is versatility. If we could find a way to parlay Abraham, White and a good TE prospect this offseason I would be very happy. However... looking at where we are standing now and how much money teams are throwing around I don't think we are that far away from just going into the draft with all of our picks in hand.

We need a young body in the DL area... either Abe or a draft pick. Then we need to land White and pickup Pope or Lewis. I already feel good about this offseason, now its just time to pour the gravy on top.

[Play2win]

I might be for bringing in TO and JA, just so I can watch the Orange Mane CIRCUS...

with TO, JA and GOLD, it will be FUN to watch all the HATERS bounce off the walls... :~ohyah!: :giggle:

[Drek]

Pass on Abraham (not worth the money or the draft pick, definately not both together), I'm cool with T.O. on a performance incentive heavy deal.

[Den Smith 49]

You know guys there was a time when TO was Terrell Owens. It was when Steve Young and Jerry Rice where around him. Now I'm not saying that Jake Plummer or Rod Smith are anywhere near what Young and Rice has done but TO wasn't TO until they had long gone and he was the only one left on the team. And the same thing last year with the Eagles. Injuries all over the team and half a McNabe left and old TO came out. But in 2004 TO was quite when the Eagle were winning.

What is Steve Young's official view on Terrell Owens these days? Anybody hear him chime in on the TO situation lately?

[ND Bronco Fan]

Every single thing you just said about jake not taking **** is the exact reason I think it would work phenomenally well.

Exactly my feelings too.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

What is Steve Young's official view on Terrell Owens these days? Anybody hear him chime in on the TO situation lately?
I suspect Shanahan knows the answer to that question and it is an integral part of his decision making process.

[delany]

Around 3 months ago, my company brought Joe Montana in to have dinner with about 10 of us. Motivational/teaming type stuff.

During dinner, Joe was VERY outspoken about his dislike for TO. He related a number of stories including one about an autograph show in Chicago he was at when TO showed up and refused to get out of the limo because they did not have the caviar (yes, caviar) that he had previously requested.

TO is a primadona in the way that Barry Bonds is. The requested preferential treatment, setting himself apart from the TEAM, thinking his needs/goals are more important than the whole...

Is this really who you want playing for the Broncos?

[fontaine]

Around 3 months ago, my company brought Joe Montana in to have dinner with about 10 of us. Motivational/teaming type stuff.

During dinner, Joe was VERY outspoken about his dislike for TO. He related a number of stories including one about an autograph show in Chicago he was at when TO showed up and refused to get out of the limo because they did not have the caviar (yes, caviar) that he had previously requested.

TO is a primadona in the way that Barry Bonds is. The requested preferential treatment, setting himself apart from the TEAM, thinking his needs/goals are more important than the whole...

Is this really who you want playing for the Broncos?

Who cares? If TO signs on to the Broncos, then I could include him in my FF Team and all will be well.

Who wants team chemistry and players playing for each other (like Rod, TD, Elway always said and did) when we can pay this overpriced loser to have a few big games as a Bronco and f**kup our lockerroom?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Around 3 months ago, my company brought Joe Montana in to have dinner with about 10 of us. Motivational/teaming type stuff.

During dinner, Joe was VERY outspoken about his dislike for TO. He related a number of stories including one about an autograph show in Chicago he was at when TO showed up and refused to get out of the limo because they did not have the caviar (yes, caviar) that he had previously requested.

TO is a primadona in the way that Barry Bonds is. The requested preferential treatment, setting himself apart from the TEAM, thinking his needs/goals are more important than the whole...

Is this really who you want playing for the Broncos?

This story needs a sticky. I am sure it is true and exactly the reason he will destroy the chemistry on the team he joins.

[Smiling Assassin27]

the cowboys are gonna push hard for TO.

[Play2win]

This story needs a sticky. I am sure it is true and exactly the reason he will destroy the chemistry on the team he joins.
Holy Fvck! If thats true, Fvck that guy...

If thats even close to being true, I want not part of that...

[Perry1977]

No way we can sign Abraham, T.O., and 8 rookies.

[Antilles]

Around 3 months ago, my company brought Joe Montana in to have dinner with about 10 of us. Motivational/teaming type stuff.

During dinner, Joe was VERY outspoken about his dislike for TO. He related a number of stories including one about an autograph show in Chicago he was at when TO showed up and refused to get out of the limo because they did not have the caviar (yes, caviar) that he had previously requested.

TO is a primadona in the way that Barry Bonds is. The requested preferential treatment, setting himself apart from the TEAM, thinking his needs/goals are more important than the whole...

Is this really who you want playing for the Broncos?

Hey has it been confirmed yet that Joe Cool opted not to attend the MVP ceremony at the Super Bowl because they refused to pay him 100k? Just thinking that Joe may know a thing or two about primadonnas and preferential treatment.

[Play2win]

Hey has it been confirmed yet that Joe Cool opted not to attend the MVP ceremony at the Super Bowl because they refused to pay him 100k? Just thinking that Joe may know a thing or two about primadonnas and preferential treatment.
Yeah, whats wrong with all these San Francisco B*TCHES, are they all Premadonnas?!?

Bonds, TO, Montana, and even to some degree, Jerry Rice...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Yeah, whats wrong with all these San Francisco B*TCHES, are they all Premadonnas?!?

Bonds, TO, Montana, and even to some degree, Jerry Rice...
And DeBartolo, Walsh, Clark, etc.

[Play2win]

And DeBartolo, Walsh, Clark, etc.
etc., etc., etc...

[watermock]

Hey has it been confirmed yet that Joe Cool opted not to attend the MVP ceremony at the Super Bowl because they refused to pay him 100k? Just thinking that Joe may know a thing or two about primadonnas and preferential treatment.

Joe Cool blowing up a HOF appearance in lieu of more cash when everyone showed up (Bradshaw is a complete idiot, especially with the Steelers there), Joe Cool can kiss my as for acting so high and mighty. Free tickets, airfair and the adulation alone should of compelled him to show.

And I can't believe as a TV personality generally considered an idiot wouldn't of been told by his agent this was a great PR opportunity considering the Steelers were playing. It reeked of jealousy and greed.

Yes, the rumor was they wanted more appearance money...but older players who played for peanuts showed up didn't they. So Montana can whine all he wants. An autograph session where an agreement was broached is whatever. Shunning the SuperBowl and fellow HOF players is outrageous.

[fontaine]

Joe Cool blowing up a HOF appearance in lieu of more cash when everyone showed up (Bradshaw is a complete idiot, especially with the Steelers there), Joe Cool can kiss my as for acting so high and mighty. Free tickets, airfair and the adulation alone should of compelled him to show.

And I can't believe as a TV personality generally considered an idiot wouldn't of been told by his agent this was a great PR opportunity considering the Steelers were playing. It reeked of jealousy and greed.

Yes, the rumor was they wanted more appearance money...but older players who played for peanuts showed up didn't they. So Montana can whine all he wants. An autograph session where an agreement was broached is whatever. Shunning the SuperBowl and fellow HOF players is outrageous.

He doesn't owe the NFL anything, especially his time.

He believes his personal time is worth a lot of money to one of the richest sporting leagues in the world. He's in a business, just like the NFL.

Hey if I was John Elway then I would go tell the NFL and the HOF to go f**k itself if asked for personal time considering what they've been doing to former Broncos like Gradishar all these years.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

TO's not coming to Denver. Sorry guys.

[Master___Pain]

TO's not coming to Denver. Sorry guys.

That's right, he's coming to KC via trade for a one year deal:thumbs: How could I forget?

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

And if he does, Barbie?

[Atlas]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.

It's called an incentive laden contract.

T.O. loves money.

If he gets out of line you cut or suspend his ass

[Hogan11]

If he gets out of line you cut or suspend his ass

Which, knowing TO's wonderful record, will probably be before week 3.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

This rumor coming out with KC offering a pick and a similar contract to what he was getting in Philly...here's the thing - why would TO sign off to go to KC and allow Philly to gain a draft pick (and don't say he can't choose where he goes. He already did it with Baltimore) when he/Rosenhaus can finally test the free agent market?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This rumor coming out with KC offering a pick and a similar contract to what he was getting in Philly...here's the thing - why would TO sign off to go to KC and allow Philly to gain a draft pick (and don't say he can't choose where he goes. He already did it with Baltimore) when he/Rosenhaus can finally test the free agent market?

Unless TO has a no-trade clause, he has no say.

Besides, there's no market for TO. If there was, more teams would be mentioned.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Unless TO has a no-trade clause, he has no say.

Besides, there's no market for TO. If there was, more teams would be mentioned.

And we're really supposed to believe KC would have a multi-year contract/bonuses/draft pick deal worked out with Philly in the next 3 hours?

That's bull**** on the market for TO. We're talking about 1 of the best receivers in the NFL. When he gets on the open market, we'll see the fuss.

[Atlas]

Pro Bowl my ass....he made some plays, especially some plays at oppurtune times like the Redskin game, but he benefitted from Trevor and Warren on the same side in the run game department and having DJ do the dirty work for him banging around with the lineman and filling at the point so he could come from the backside and make plays. And he had what, 3 sacks after being touted as this big time supposed sackmaster based on his 6.5 sack season in 2002. Even Warren, getting held on the inside by opposing GCG combos all season had the same amount of sacks. 88 tackles? Weak, especially when the coaches bent over backwards to feature him and he was on the field ALL the time.

Come on Rev, your better than this.

That is funny.. HE benefited from Pryce playing in front of him?????? LOL...

Gold had a great year. No teams rushed at him like all the haters claimed they would. He pressured the QB he recovered fumbles, he forced fumbles he made tackles behind the LOS. HE was everything Shanny said he would be. What's funny is how you guys still stick to the same tired story.

Nobody on the defense had sacks because Denver blitzed every down forcing the QB to throw the ball away. Gold's 3 sacks were 2nd best on the team.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Unless TO has a no-trade clause, he has no say.


This isn't MLB or the NBA

[Hulamau]

No one is questioning his talent, Demitri. We are questioning whether its worth the risk. TO totally destroyed the Eagles team. By the end of the season they were paying him not to show up. He will destroy this team too. The fact that we are close to a Super Bowl is an argument against, not for TO, since we dont have to engage in high risk high reward behavior to get there. We just need a few little upgrades. Can you imagine how the marraige of TO and Jake would work? Jake is probably the least accurate passer that TO has had? And TO has b****ed endlessly about his other QBs. He has b****ed endlessly about one of the top QBs in the game. Can you imagine how he is going to put up with Plummer hanging him out to dry ala the Putz? Can you imagine how he is going to react when Plummer doesnt make the right read, or when he just doesnt get him the ball for whatever reason. And Jake doesnt take ****....thats actually a good thing. Jake isnt a PC guy, he'll probably shove it back in TOs face as he should. The guy looks like a caveman and walks into press conferences without any shoes. He doesnt give a **** what anyone thinks. This would be the absolute worst marriage of a WR and QB possible.


Most everything you say above is true SoCal and that was my position too when I first heard of TO possibly coming here, but recently I've begun to see another possibility.

1. For sure we aren't going to change TO's character just by a change in scenery, but look at how he played his first year with Philly. There is no question that he got them to the SB, hook, line and sinker, and then came back from what would have been a season-ending injury for everyone else and played well in the SB.

2. Philly knew they were roilling the dice with him with that contract and were obviously hoping they could win it all that first year or two and they knew TO was not going to be happy in year two. AS long as he signs with us he should have no complaints about the money and be happy at least for the first couple of years.

3. The NFL and fans are very forgiving if we are winning and he is contributing and TO knows with out a doubt this is his one LAST CHANCE to redeem at least in part his rep and I just cant imaigne him being such a dumb ass that he wont bend over backwards to hold his volitale opinions in check and try to be the best team player he can be, which is no doubt a far cry from a Rod Smith, but should be workable for the team.

4. I suspect TO has been truly humbled and a bit stunned by how the Philly thing blew up in his face, regardless of what he says to the press about it to try and save face, and he'd have to be an absolute moron not to be determined to play nice, at least for the forseeable future, no matter how wild and off target Jake's passes are on occasion (something I pray that Jake is working his butt-off to rectify this offseason as well).

I also don't think that TO and Jake would necessarily be oil and water. Jake is a fun lovin' guy that the whole team loves and TO is going to pick up on that early and realize the best way he can endear himself to his teammates and put this Philly - San Fran saga and QB-hatin' stigma behind him is to do everything he can to embrace Jake from the get-go, and if he does I'm sure Jake and the rest of the team will reciprocate and TO will feel like he really belongs, ala the boys from Cleveland, perhaps for the first time in a long time.

5. TO is a workout demon and is always in top physical shape and the guy has always worked hard which is a key thing. He also knows that he will be under a microscope like never before and will be trying to prove everyone wrong every week for this first year at least, which is our best chance for THIS version of the Broncos to win it all.

He also knows the west coast offense like the back of his hand and should fully learn all the wrinkles of our passing attack by the beginning of the season without any problem.

6. With all the leaders on our team like Rod, AL, Lynch, Plummer, and Champ as well as the organizations solidity there are pleny of checks and balances to put out any brush fires before they get out of hand. This is particularly true now that everyone on both sides sees how these things can get out of hand if left to fester.

All of the above factors is what makes me think its worth the very real risk to bring TO in. I don't think he would work out for a square team like KC in that God forsaken city, or even Dallas with the stuffed-shirt personalities of the KC and Dallas QB's, and either the volatile Herm Edwards and his all new staff at KC or the over-bearing hard-ass that is Bill Parcells in Dallas where TO would be ground to a pulp each day by the constant press speculation. Dallas doesn't have any other team leaders worth a damn to keep him in line and neither does KC really outside of maybe Gonzales or a few of the lineman. Trent Green is certainly not going to stand up to TO, nor is Dante Hall :-), and I see a million and one ways for the KC thing to blow up before mid-season if he goes there.

If TO goes to KC it proves he is interested in cashing in only, first and foremost. IF he goes to Dallas it would be for the money plus the chance to stick it to Philly twice a year.

But if he REALLY wants to redeem himself as an NFL star, there is only one team interested in him that has the core strength to accept him and also has all the tools that with his help could easily result in a SB win this year and he'll come to Denver and be on his best behavior. Simple as that!

We just have to pray my analysis turns out to be the right one if he does, as it could also go the other way as well, to our detriment. I just now feel that THIS year, at least, would be a winner with TO and he would work out in our system, all things considered.

IF he screws this thing up again TO has got to KNOW its three stirkes and he is out and he will be branded a pariah for life and no one will touch him with a ten foot pole. He'll make Dennis Rodman look like a Madison Avenue Ad exec's Poster Child and he'll be wrestling in the WWF to make ends meet within a few years.

[rubaiyat]

Hey has it been confirmed yet that Joe Cool opted not to attend the MVP ceremony at the Super Bowl because they refused to pay him 100k? Just thinking that Joe may know a thing or two about primadonnas and preferential treatment.

I thought he wanted to see a game of his son's. At least that is what I heard on the matter.

[TheReverend]

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Money in the bank. I love riling up this message board though.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

File this thread away with the "Courtney Brown will lead the Broncos in sacks and go to the pro bowl" edition.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

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Money in the bank. I love riling up this message board though.

Money in the bank, huh? Fork it over.

[DBroncos4life]

File this thread away with the "Courtney Brown will lead the Broncos in sacks and go to the pro bowl" edition.
It sucks that KC traded for him but I think Champ will shut him down with a healthy hammy.

[TheReverend]

Money in the bank, huh? Fork it over.

True, true I need to call paypal and get my account "verified" or some bs.

PS. Courtney owns KC.

[Bronx33]

File this thread away with the "Courtney Brown will lead the Broncos in sacks and go to the pro bowl" edition.


Who was that LB whos leg your were humpin?

[GreatBronco16]

Who was that LB whos leg your were humpin?

But he will be better this year, you just watch.;)

[Northman]

It's funny to see how much everyone's freaking out because the Redskins are doing their annual wad-blowing on average players. The BEST players at our 2 "need" positions are JA and TO... they'll be broncos by april.

To all the TO and JA haters, you won't complain when they produce in a Broncos uniform... I guarantee it.


Oooops, better check your shorts there chief. :rofl:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Who was that LB whos leg your were humpin?

I stopped humping his leg after it was apparent he sucked balls.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

****...I shouldn't have said that.

[Rocket 7]

****...I shouldn't have said that.
Chalk it up as a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

[watermock]

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/phd/PHD427/92041.jpg

No, you shouldn't

Bob in action.

[FantomForce]

_i_O_i_ ha ha ha haIt's funny to see how much everyone's freaking out because the Redskins are doing their annual wad-blowing on average players. The BEST players at our 2 "need" positions are JA and TO... they'll be broncos by april.

To all the TO and JA haters, you won't complain when they produce in a Broncos uniform... I guarantee it.