Andre Carter has just signed with Skins

[long beach bronco]

Just heard it on the radio

[Play2win]

Well all of this is just a crock of SH!T...

[SDBroncos]

How the hell are they affording all this damn them

[Den Smith 49]

Anybody got any links yet?

[bronco militia]

Redskins | Team to sign A. Carter
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:05:39 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Washington Redskins are in the process of signing free agent DE/LB Andre Carter (49ers) to a six-year, approximately $30 million contract.

[long beach bronco]

Redskins are going for broke. We better get T.O.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

How are they signing all these guys? Something isn't right!

[-Slap-]

So, he blew off the trip to Denver? That's kind of ****ed.

[long beach bronco]

They were in worse cap shape than we were and they are signing everybody..........and we haven't signed any outside talent yet.

[extralife]

Ok, now we can be angry. SKins can sign four guys to thirty million dollar deals when a week ago people thought they'd have to field twenty rookies. In that same period, we managed to somehow go from being around 14 million under to have five million to spend on absolutely no one.

TO isn't happening either, guys. I see us panicking and forking over whatever Abe wants. Great.

[eddie mac]

Face it folks were gonna get jack-**** until this market slows down.

[Old Dude]

Where is Washington getting the cap room to do all of this?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Snyder must be putting these guys on the payroll at Six Flags

[bronco militia]

'SKINS GO FROM CAP STRAPPED TO CAP HAPPY

As the Washington Redskins continue to amass new players days after they supposedly were teetering at the edge of cap hell, plenty of folks around the league are scratching their heads.

The 'Skins are spending big again, making a big splash in free agency by reeling in receiver Antwaan Randle El, safety Adam Archuleta, and tight end Christian Fauria. The Redskins also picked up receiver Brandon Lloyd in a trade on Saturday with the 49ers.

Randle El reportedly gets $11.5 million in bonus money, a ridiculously high amount for a guy who'll be No. 3 at best on the depth chart.

Then, on Monday, the 'Skins scalped safety Adam Archuleta, formerly of the Rams, on a deal that we're told is worth $30.18 million over six years. We're told that the package includes $10.585 million in guarantees, making it the richest deal ever signed by an NFL safety.

So where are the supposedly cap-poor Redskins coming up with the cap space to get these deals done?

They freed up $4.4 million a week ago as part of the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent, and they shed several veterans on the eve of free agency to create more room. Likewise, it was reported that they planned to convert $13.5 million in roster bonus payments into guarantees, which would then be spread over five years.

And don't forget about the extra $7.5 million in cap room that popped onto the books as part of the new CBA.

Our guess is that these new deals will leave the 'Skins close to the $102 million ceiling for 2006, and that there will be more tinkering with contracts in order to free up more money for more signings. Eventually, they'll need cap space to sign their incoming rookies.

As our official site miserable guy Dante observed in our newest PFT PodCast, the extent to which teams are overspending in the early stages of 2006 free agency suggests that there really would have been a flood of new money into the market if the uncapped year had come to fruition

[eddie mac]

They did some major restructures immediately after the CBA extension was announced, inc Portis who's contract now voids in 2008.

[long beach bronco]

The league has just been scalped!

[Ray Finkle]

Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck Feck


Oh Poo.....

[Old Dude]

Guaranteed money, huh?

[DBroncos4life]

this could be the most ****ed up thing Ive seen in years and really has me loving college football more and more.

[Smiling Assassin27]

i'm ok with that. i take abraham over carter, personally. 5 mil a year for carter is silly.

[Play2win]

I think they're plan is to get ALL their guys through FA, and Fvck the CAP and Fvck the DRAFT...

They know they're not going to make the CAP, but they will have all the guys they need, So , NFL, "GO Ahead, Take our Draft Picks, We Don't Care..."

[DarkHorse]

Doesn't look like we'll be signing anything more than some camp fodder from this years FA market. It's a shame

[Kaylore]

Ok, now we can be angry. SKins can sign four guys to thirty million dollar deals when a week ago people thought they'd have to field twenty rookies. In that same period, we managed to somehow go from being around 14 million under to have five million to spend on absolutely no one.

TO isn't happening either, guys. I see us panicking and forking over whatever Abe wants. Great.
Right now I agree with you but I need time to cool off. If all we're left with is Abraham then I'm going to shoot myself. Abraham sucks and we're going to waste a pick on him and way too much money.

[ColoradoBuff]

Not getting Carter hurts! I don't want to give up a 1st for Abe. But looks like we will now!

[Edskins_RVA]

I think they're plan is to get ALL their guys through FA, and Fvck the CAP and Fvck the DRAFT...

They know they're not going to make the CAP, but they will have all the guys they need, So , NFL, "GO Ahead, Take our Draft Picks, We Don't Care..."
Exactly!

[clint7]

Unreal. I thought the thread was going to be a joke when I first looked at it. It might be easier for KFFL and ESPN just to simply list the players that Washington doesn't sign.

[Garcia Bronco]

Daryl Tapp.

[BroncoInferno]

Right now I agree with you but I need time to cool off. If all we're left with is Abraham then I'm going to shoot myself. Abraham sucks and we're going to waste a pick on him and way too much money.

Yeah, he has had 10-13 sacks 4 times in a 6 year career, with the two failures being seasons he played 6 and 7 games. Right, he isnn't one of the more consistent pass rushers in the league; he sucks. ;D

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's either TO or Abrahams now. I don't see Abrahams being worth a 1st rounder though.

[Finger Roll]

maybe the Redskins have their own salary cap 150 million.

[Clockwork Orange]

God ****ing dammit. :cuss:

[Garcia Bronco]

Abe isn't worth a 3rd much less a first...plus what you have to pay him for his supposed value. TO is where the monay needs to go.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Dear Washington Redskins-

Are you fans of the Tennessee Titans or the Lakers from a couple years back? Because that's what you're about to become.

Love,
****.

[DBroncos4life]

Right now I agree with you but I need time to cool off. If all we're left with is Abraham then I'm going to shoot myself. Abraham sucks and we're going to waste a pick on him and way too much money.
Whatever the Skins have targeted him and they will send that third string QB and next year first 7 picks for him. Then sign him to a 7 year 90 million dollar contract, but he will only make 700k this year and he will be cut in 07.

[yavoon]

this makes good intrigue

[Sgt Sauce]

REMINDER...


We going to get better through the draft.. and just b/c we aren't the first team signing people doesn't mean that we aren't going to bring in FA's that will make our team better..

All you people whinning just have A.D.D. and are bored.. chill out!! I'd much rather make the right moves then overpay immediately

[Sgt Sauce]

also look at the teams that were forcasted to take RB's in the first round..

Arizona - James
Baltimore - Anderson / Lewis


We are going to have a nice RB fall into our hands (Deangelo Williams, Lendale White, Lawrence Marroney)

[penguintheory]

Go for broke and get TO!

[jonny1]

There is NOTHING about Carter signing on either nfl.com or espn.

[SpringStein]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

by Shefter.

[freak6]

It says march 12th as when it was written. But then it says it will be updated alot too.

[Antilles]

Has anyone seen this reported anywhere else - i.e. not citing the food critic's article? I know Schefter is good, and it probably doesn't mean much, but the Schefter story reporting this signing is dated the 12th. Yesterday. And we have seen reports that he left D.C. without a contract. So maybe Adam jumped the gun?

[eddie mac]

People seem to forget that Pat has already dished out $20m in signing bonuses to Matt Lepsis and Gerrard Warren. He'll spend some more but I'm glad they're making sure it's the right players.

$10m SB on another project DE when he's been playing OLB for the last 2 years is way too much.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Broncos front office have officially stepped on their dicks.

Now they'll peddle away a 1st rounder for the gutless wonder Abraham.....if they don't find a way to **** that that up too. They'll probably screw around and end up giving up both 1sts for him or something.

:moody:

[Ratboy]

Great! Bring on Abe!

[Edskins_RVA]

People seem to forget that Pat has already dished out $20m in signing bonuses to Matt Lepsis and Gerrard Warren. He'll spend some more but I'm glad they're making sure it's the right players.

$10m SB on another project DE when he's been playing OLB for the last 2 years is way too much.
Skins need a pass rusher real bad.. He's young and fits the bill..

[eddie mac]

The Broncos front office have officially stepped on their dicks.

Now they'll peddle away a 1st rounder for the gutless wonder Abraham.....if they don't find a way to **** that that up too. They'll probably screw around and end up giving up both 1sts for him or something.

:moody:

Calm yourself CO, Mike Shanahan is no Vanderweghe or whatever you call that Nuggets dimwit.

[Mile High Shack]

The Broncos front office have officially stepped on their dicks.

Now they'll peddle away a 1st rounder for the gutless wonder Abraham.....if they don't find a way to **** that that up too. They'll probably screw around and end up giving up both 1sts for him or something.

:moody:

he didn't even visit denver, how is that Denver's fault?

[TheDave]

Damn the price for Abe just went up significantly... Thanks Snyder

[freak6]

Skins need a passer real bad...

Agreed, and until they get one they will be lucky to win 8 games.

[eddie mac]

We could send a 1st and a 3rd to the Colts for Mathis.

[rbackfactory80]

Great! Bring on Abe!

As much as I want Abe to come hear I believe he will sign with the Falcons and everyone here will get what they wanted and have two shots in the first round to try to find a pass rush.

[clint7]

The Broncos front office have officially stepped on their dicks.

Now they'll peddle away a 1st rounder for the gutless wonder Abraham.....if they don't find a way to **** that that up too. They'll probably screw around and end up giving up both 1sts for him or something.

:moody:

Ha! LOL

The only thing that would have ticketed me off worse is if he signed with the Raiders. I had had a bad feeling they'd land him and he'd want to stay around the Bay. Man, this Monday has been rotten all-around for me. Will Tuesday ever come?

[BroncoInferno]

The Broncos front office have officially stepped on their dicks.

Now they'll peddle away a 1st rounder for the gutless wonder Abraham.....if they don't find a way to **** that that up too. They'll probably screw around and end up giving up both 1sts for him or something.

:moody:

LOL Offseason Panic 2006 is officially underway. ROFL! Didn't you people learn from last year to have a little patience?

[Clockwork Orange]

Calm yourself CO, Mike Shanahan is no Vanderweghe or whatever you call that Nuggets dimwit.

No, but the options that are left out there for our vacant DE position are getting slim and extremely expensive. Abraham is going to get more $$ than Carter did and he's gonna cost us one of our 1sts. That's a steep price to pay.

[24champ]

Dont Panic.........the plan is working.....


http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/nfl/2001/0716/photo/s_abraham_i.jpg


http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/michael_silver/12/03/silver.niners/p1_owens1203.jpg




http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/College_Football/41_Lendale2RBNFP.JPG

[clint7]

LOL Offseason Panic 2006 is officially underway. ROFL! Didn't you people learn from last year to have a little patience?

Actually in his defense, Clockwork was rather calm until this. He talked me off the ledge earlier today. But had warned me he'd flip if we didn't get Carter. He's a man of his word.

[ColoradoBuff]

Per Adam Sheffter, Lavar Arrington has signed with the NY Giants.

No link yet.


I would love for this to happen. Would only make the Giants that much better. F****** Skins!

[Clockwork Orange]

he didn't even visit denver, how is that Denver's fault?

I'm just pissed because this is the one guy I wanted them to make sure and land and they didn't. I'll get over it.

[Paladin]

I am now officially on the "I Hate the 'Skins" bandwagon.

[rbackfactory80]

I am now officially on the "I Hate the 'Skins" bandwagon.

what took you so long?

[Edskins_RVA]

Per Adam Sheffter, Lavar Arrington has signed with the NY Giants.

No link yet.


I would love for this to happen. Would only make the Giants that much better. ******* Skins!
That does suck a$$!! At least we know his tendancies.. Getting Pierce from us last year was a better pickup for them, but he will also help make Lavar better.. DOH!!

[Garcia Bronco]

LOL Offseason Panic 2006 is officially underway. ROFL! Didn't you people learn from last year to have a little patience?


And faith

[eddie mac]

No, but the options that are left out there for our vacant DE position are getting slim and extremely expensive. Abraham is going to get more $$ than Carter did and he's gonna cost us one of our 1sts. That's a steep price to pay.

I dont think we'll be bringing him in either. I also dont think Carter was the answer. Certainly not at the prospect of diluting an already miniscule amount of available cap room. We need to do what the Chargers did last year and find 2 gem defenders in the 1st rd.

[Ray Finkle]

I am now officially on the "I Hate the 'Skins" bandwagon.


Look at my location to the left....I am the founder and my wife is a skins fan...

[Garcia Bronco]

Look at it this way...these players are subjecting themselves and their families to the most miserable traffic known to man.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

God ****ing dammit. :cuss:

Owned.

[watermock]

http://www.erenkrantz.com/ArtsCore/PenguinsJumpingOffCliff.jpg

If this is true I am not a happy camper.

[UKBronco]

I am now officially on the "I Hate the 'Skins" bandwagon.

I'm still on the 'Thank the Redskins' bandwagon.

We've got the best CB in the league from them, a nice change of pace back....not to mention the nice little prize of #22.

They can blow up the organization by spending like they are, remember what happened the last time they tried to buy a ring?

For pure entertainment - gotta love the skins! ;)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/michael_silver/12/03/silver.niners/p1_owens1203.jpg

Future Chief.

[yavoon]

I'm still on the 'Thank the Redskins' bandwagon.

We've got the best CB in the league from them, a nice change of pace back....not to mention the nice little prize of #22.

They can blow up the organization by spending like they are, remember what happened the last time they tried to buy a ring?

For pure entertainment - gotta love the skins! ;)

it takes a lot of balls to try and spend to win. as long as there's a salary cap I will give it to teams who try that route, its not the easy way out thats for sure.

[Edskins_RVA]

Look at it this way...these players are subjecting themselves and their families to the most miserable traffic known to man.
Soooo true.. (starts mounting 50. machine guns on front of his truck)

[Clockwork Orange]

Owned.

Blow me.

[elsid13]

Look at it this way...these players are subjecting themselves and their families to the most miserable traffic known to man.

Have to disagree LA is worse, expect when it snow, then you would think Hell was now earth.

[TheDave]

According to someone on Extremskins ESPNews just said that they are also completing a trade for Abraham...

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148380&page=1

[BritBronco Maniac]

Still haven't seen other sources reporting Carter signing with the skins.

Whatever, I would still rather draft a DE.
Don't trade a 1st for Abraham!

The good news is the RB situation. A good one is going to fall a long way in the draft.

[clint7]

As if actually winning more games than anyone thought and dropping our first round pick they gave us was enough...damn those Foreskins!

[rbackfactory80]

:bs: Right now I agree with you but I need time to cool off. If all we're left with is Abraham then I'm going to shoot myself. Abraham sucks and we're going to waste a pick on him and way too much money.

Yeah Abe sucks, :bs:

[eddie mac]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/michael_silver/12/03/silver.niners/p1_owens1203.jpg

Future Chief.

Your organisation are hibernating for 3 weeks so you may miss the Owens boat.

[Clockwork Orange]

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/michael_silver/12/03/silver.niners/p1_owens1203.jpg

Future Chief.

Owens has already expressed his dislike for playing with a QB who's in the closet. That crosses KC off the list right there.

[HEAV]

Shanny going cheap again is going to bite him in the ass. Great coach. Bad G.M.

Your a game away from the Super Bowl and you sit back and watch the shelves empty in front of your eyes!

You cut three starters and replace one with the third string RB.

Shanny, you have talked for two years about being close. Push the F'N button and get your ass in gear.

Off-season 06 looks like off-season 05.

All other G.M.'s are setting the market. Now Denver is faced with dealing with lower class players, with higher expectations of what they can get.

The players aren't getting cheaper. The talent is getting average. I can understand drafting a RB, but damn this was the year to get a stud.

He drops coin on Warren, a fat guy that could have been replaced, but let the market try up on RB/DE?

Funny how Carter was this teams No.1 target..........

If you got a target get the damn target. Stop sitting on your ass. Not every year are you goign to get a Clevelanf fire sale and have it work out for you.

[UKBronco]

it takes a lot of balls to try and spend to win. as long as there's a salary cap I will give it to teams who try that route, its not the easy way out thats for sure.

The Broncos are one of those teams. I can't remember the last time we entered a season with more than a couple of notes left in the wallet.

I'm lucky not to be one of the fans of other franchises that sit on tens of millions of dollars in cap space every year.

Denver repeatedly puts out a competative team. Thats all i ask.

[yavoon]

The players aren't getting cheaper. The talent is getting average. I can understand drafting a RB, but damn this was the year to get a stud.
.

I agree, there is still a lot of cap room overall out there. I dont see anyone's price going down. I think striking early was the thing to do this year if u wanted to play in free agency.

[baja]

I'm just pissed because this is the one guy I wanted them to make sure and land and they didn't. I'll get over it.

Me too. I have to agree with Herc now we should have been more agressive if we really wanted him.

I do hope Snyder finds himself in cap hell.

How does he do this anyway, anyone???

[Mile High Shack]

Shanny going cheap again is going to bite him in the ass. Great coach. Bad G.M.

Your a game away from the Super Bowl and you sit back and watch the shelves empty in front of your eyes!

You cut three starters and replace one with the third string RB.

Shanny, you have talked for two years about being close. Push the F'N button and get your ass in gear.

Off-season 06 looks like off-season 05.

All other G.M.'s are setting the market. Now Denver is faced with dealing with lower class players, with higher expectations of what they can get.

The players aren't getting cheaper. The talent is getting average. I can understand drafting a RB, but damn this was the year to get a stud.

He drops coin on Warren, a fat guy that could have been replaced, but let the market try up on RB/DE?

Funny how Carter was this teams No.1 target..........

If you got a target get the damn target. Stop sitting on your ass. Not every year are you goign to get a Clevelanf fire sale and have it work out for you.

I mean that is great and all, busting on Shanny as usual

but it's not like he is losing all these FA to multitudes of teams

It's basically ONE DAMN TEAM taking every FA away from EVERY team in the NFL

[eddie mac]

Still haven't seen other sources reporting Carter signing with the skins.

Whatever, I would still rather draft a DE.
Don't trade a 1st for Abraham!

The good news is the RB situation. A good one is going to fall a long way in the draft.

http://www.redskins.com/news/APNewsDetail.jsp?id=12029

Redskins add safety Archuleta, linebacker Carter to free agency haul


ASHBURN, Va. (AP) - The Washington Redskins added safety Adam Archuleta and linebacker Andre Carter to their free agency haul Monday, giving the team five new players in three days.

Archuleta, who had played five years with the St. Louis Rams, signed a six-year, $30 million deal with a $10 million signing bonus.

Carter will fly to Washington on Tuesday to sign his deal, said an official familiar with the deal. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the contract wasn’t signed. .

The two players join receivers Brandon Lloyd and Antwaan Randle El and tight end Christian Fauria as the newest additions to Joe Gibbs’ team.

Archuleta, a hard-hitting safety, is the replacement for Ryan Clark, whom the Redskins were unable to re-sign before the start of free agency. He also provides insurance in case Sean Taylor misses playing time because of aggravated assault charges in Florida.

Carter would the natural replacement for departed linebacker LaVar Arrington. The Redskins want to generate more of a pass rush, and Carter has 32 sacks over his five-year career with San Francisco. He had 12 1/2 in 2002 but only 6 1/2 over his last two years.

The team also re-signed backup linebacker Khary Campbell.

The fast-and-furious dealings created a logjam at Redskins Park, where three separate news conferences were scheduled one hour apart Monday afternoon to introduce new players. And the team isn’t done yet: Defensive end John Abraham and quarterback Todd Collins are also being wooed.

Archuleta was a first-round pick (No. 20 overall) out of Arizona State by the Rams in 2001. He has started 69 of 72 games with 547 tackles, 15 sacks, 25 deflected passes and two interceptions. Last year, he started 14 games and had 93 tackles, 3 1/2 sacks, five pass deflections and one interception.

[clint7]

Owens has already expressed his dislike for playing with a QB who's in the closet. That crosses KC off the list right there.

LOL Ha!

[elsid13]

I really want to see how this plays out before I jump over the edge. Carter might have been #1 target or might not of, who knows with the way the Front office works. And not like the newspaper reporters have any clue what going on in there. Wouldn't be surprised if we pull a trade for DE from a team going to 3-4 again.

[Play2win]

Alot of those 'Skins signings were definitely "Flavor or the Month", tho'...

After all those signings, I wouldn't be suprised to see another 'Skin collapse...

Just too bad it had to happen next season, not last season, so we could reap the bennifits...

[yavoon]

Alot of those 'Skins signings were definitely "Flavor or the Month", tho'...

After all those signings, I wouldn't be suprised to see another 'Skin collapse...

Just too bad it had to happen next season, not last season, so we could reap the bennifits...


lloyd, archuleta, carter are not flavors of the month.

[Lestat]

hmm i wonder if LaVar would consider playing DE :) j/k

i just hope Denver doesn't give up a 1st for Abraham, a 2nd is good enough

[BritBronco Maniac]

I don't think its a done deal yet

[elsid13]

By the way none of the local news channel have reported this either.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

And their quarterback is whom again?

Oh yeah. Mark Brunell. If he goes out, think Skins fans are really going to welcome in the Jason Campbell era?

It's about the quarterback in the NFL - not the pieces surrounding him. Will Washington run max protect on every friggin' down like they did last year?

[baja]

Collins and Abraham ???

What's the penalty for going over the cap.

[yerner]

Skins wont collapse. Unfortunatly, they are a solid football team that spends all it can to get better. i would have to admit that they are going to be a favorite

[baja]

Collins and Abraham ???

What's the penalty for going over the cap.

[Edskins_RVA]

Skins wont collapse. Unfortunatly, they are a solid football team that spends all it can to get better. i would have to admit that they are going to be a favorite
Thanks for the objectivity! The Skins are filling HOLES in our team w/ these signings.. They can only improve on what turned out to be a solid performance last year.. We did make the playoffs..

[Edskins_RVA]

And their quarterback is whom again?

Oh yeah. Mark Brunell. If he goes out, think Skins fans are really going to welcome in the Jason Campbell era?

It's about the quarterback in the NFL - not the pieces surrounding him. Will Washington run max protect on every friggin' down like they did last year?
I'm excited to see Jason Campbell in action.. I think he could be something special (of course through my B&G homer glasses)..

Skins will NOT run max protect all year next year. Saunders is in town and knows how to mix it up. The skinny is that the Skins will now use a 3WR base formation to take advantage of the new weapons at WR.. !Booya!

[Lestat]

the penalty is severe fines & it's normally hinted that the commish would strip the team of a 1st or 2nd round choice to make sure no one ever did it again

[maven]

According to someone on Extremskins ESPNews just said that they are also completing a trade for Abraham...

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148380&page=1

He was at redskins park today.

Andre Carter is on a plane to sign the contract with the skins, according to John Clayton.

[yerner]

Nevertheless, I predict Lavar rips Campbells arm off and throws it at the owners box.

[extralife]

This is ridiculous, but it also isn't going to make the Skins any good. Add a bunch of odd fits to a defense that has gelled the last few years, and give the Gibbs Running System an injection of pass happy Saunders and a base set of three wideouts. Run by Mark Brunell. What is their strategy?

[HEAV]

The question is are they trying to be frugal or win a championship?

Get free agents you covet early. Then concentrate on the draft. Minus the Portis trade of 04. The Broncos haven't made a big signing since Jake and IHOP.

We all saw what happened in the AFC Title game. No firepower, no homerun hitter. Also we have seen what Scheming a pass rush does. We have seen solid pass rusher's leave this team in back to back to back years. But those year's we where up to our neck's in cap dollars!

Now this year we all see 10 Million in space. But yet the DE's are moving off the table, the RB's are down to Davenport and Bennett.

So are we putting all the eggs in the T.O. basket? Well guess what the Cowboys are going to be in the race. Their going to cut Key and make a play.

If your close then do whatever it takes to get over the top!

[yerner]

I heard gibbs say that he was going to give the reins to saunders.

[DBroncos4life]

did the roster size go up as well because one would think the spending would have to end after they get up to 100 players over the 53 man roster.

[clint7]

did the roster size go up as well because one would think the spending would have to end after they get up to 100 players over the 53 man roster.

Ha! No sh!t. LOL

[chrisp]

Seems like they're going for the scattergun approach - sign a bunch of guys, backload the contracts a little, so you're going to have to get rid of some guys next year but you probably reckon that with some of these signings not working out and maybe some other guys having sub-par years that won't be much of a problem.

Of course we don't know the fine details of the new agreement - bear in mind that the high-revenue teams basically agreed to subsidise the low-revenue teams, so I can't imagine that they didn't get something in return: it may well be the case that it is now easier to structure deals to get around the cap (relaxing the rules a little on bonuses and incentives etc etc) which is making it a little easier to 'buy' a championship.


I have no inside knowledge, I just know that no-one outside of that tight inner circle of GMs and team cap guys has had the chance to really examine the fine print of the new CBA, so we really have no idea what they have signed up to, and won't really find out for a year or two.

The issue is, with the cap where it is now, some of the teams who are under the cap, still can't necesarily afford to spend up to it without making a loss as a business. Cash control is still important for NFL teams, who still have to report results and satisfy shareholders like any other business no matter how many rings they win.

Bear in mind also that Shanny will never throw money at a player he doesn't rate, and the front office said before free agency began that the main priority was resigning existing guys. We'll always have a sniff at these guys but we may not have actually wanted any of them.

Also, in every area where we have lost people we have some intriguing options waitinng in the wings who may well benfit from more playing time. I bet Ron Dayne for one is smirking at the Ravens re-siging of Ray Lewis......

Time will tell.....its a looooong time 'tilll September, and there's a lot of nice weather to enjoy between now an then......8')

[Edskins_RVA]

I heard gibbs say that he was going to give the reins to saunders.
He did. He'll still have input of course, but Saunders will run the O like Williams runs the D. Joe wants to step back and make sure he taking care of all other matters affecting the team as a whole..

[Edskins_RVA]

Nevertheless, I predict Lavar rips Campbells arm off and throws it at the owners box.
LOL - Dang, I hope not!! :wiggle:

[extralife]

He did. He'll still have input of course, but Saunders will run the O like Williams runs the D. Joe wants to step back and make sure he taking care of all other matters affecting the team as a whole..

Translation: Joe Joe is tired and is considering following his old NASCAR team on Sundays while his assistants do the coaching.

This whole "drastically changing the system every two years" thing is not going to work out for the 'Skins.

[TheDave]

The question is are they trying to be frugal or win a championship?



Same song.... different year...

Last year worked out pretty damn well, I would be happy as hell if we just equalled 2005 off season... Relax, it's only day 3.

We still need a pass rusher, another reciever, possibly a TE, and some Oline depth. There is still plenty of that out there in FA and in the draft.

[Garcia Bronco]

Have to disagree LA is worse, expect when it snow, then you would think Hell was now earth.


I'll have to take your word.because ...I'm not going to give it the Pepsi Challege.

[Elway777]

Trade for Greg Ellis + draft speed rusher Manny Lawson = Better pass rush for Broncos. Sign TO plus draft Pope = top 5 offence in nfl.

[Garcia Bronco]

Shanny going cheap again is going to bite him in the ass. Great coach. Bad G.M.

Your a game away from the Super Bowl and you sit back and watch the shelves empty in front of your eyes!

You cut three starters and replace one with the third string RB.

Shanny, you have talked for two years about being close. Push the F'N button and get your ass in gear.

Off-season 06 looks like off-season 05.

All other G.M.'s are setting the market. Now Denver is faced with dealing with lower class players, with higher expectations of what they can get.

The players aren't getting cheaper. The talent is getting average. I can understand drafting a RB, but damn this was the year to get a stud.

He drops coin on Warren, a fat guy that could have been replaced, but let the market try up on RB/DE?

Funny how Carter was this teams No.1 target..........

If you got a target get the damn target. Stop sitting on your ass. Not every year are you goign to get a Clevelanf fire sale and have it work out for you.

"Here we go again on our own!...Going down the only road we've ever known!"

[Ray Finkle]

Trade for Greg Ellis + draft speed rusher Manny Lawson = Better pass rush for Broncos. Sign TO plus draft Pope = top 5 offence in nfl.


broken record....zip broken record...zip...

[Riddi]

Redskins | Team to sign A. Carter
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:05:39 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Washington Redskins are in the process of signing free agent DE/LB Andre Carter (49ers) to a six-year, approximately $30 million contract.

Who cares!!!!!!! Waste of money IMO!!!!

[RMT]

Redskins | Team to sign A. Carter
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:05:39 -0800

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Washington Redskins are in the process of signing free agent DE/LB Andre Carter (49ers) to a six-year, approximately $30 million contract.

Talk about overvalued. He isn't worth that kind of $$$.

[Rascal]

WHAT TO GO SHANNY YOU STUPID ****ER!!!!

Now the jumping off the bandwagon may begin.

[elsid13]

It interesting that Skins continue to call Carter a LB in the press clips. I think they see him playing the Weak side Backer.

[elsid13]

WHAT TO GO SHANNY YOU STUPID ****ER!!!!

Now the jumping off the bandwagon may begin.

thanks for the permission. I understand the Jungle Juice Kool aid is available at OF1

[TheDave]

WHAT TO GO SHANNY YOU STUPID ****ER!!!!

Now the jumping off the bandwagon may begin.

now that's the Rascal i remember :rofl:

[shaun514]

The 'skins still haven't signed anybody that I am impressed with.

[Rascal]

now that's the Rascal i remember :rofl:

I've been optimistic for three days and it was driving me nuts. Happy go lucky **** was killing me.

I'm going to be even more pissed when we trade a first for Abraham. I need to go shoot something.

[crazyhorse]

Maybe the Broncos have decided to "stand pat".Hilarious! :welcome:

[Garcia Bronco]

The 'skins still haven't signed anybody that I am impressed with.


The guys they've signed all have talent...and Joe Gibbs, Williams, and Sauders can perhaps harness that.

[Mediator12]

Maybe the Broncos have decided to "stand pat".Hilarious! :welcome:

And the Chiefs have signed Who :rofl: ROFL!

[Antilles]

Per Pastabelly, Abraham has NOT signed and is scheduled to visit 3 more teams

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2367445

[crazyhorse]

And the Chiefs have signed Who :rofl: ROFL!

What do the Chiefs have to do with it.

Or is this the standard, "I know you are but what am I", negotiation tactic?

[ludo21]

Per Pastabelly, Abraham has NOT signed and is scheduled to visit 3 more teams

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2367445


good news. Altho i can care less about Abe, my focus is on the draft, and possibly TO.

[HEAV]

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Washington Redskins have now agreed to terms with free agent LB/DE Andre Carter (49ers) on a six-year contract valued at about $30 million.
-----

So an average guy like this get's 30 (all depends on the signing bonus) then what will Abe or say a Kabla Edwards, from Lions, will be looking for....

[ludo21]

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the Washington Redskins have now agreed to terms with free agent LB/DE Andre Carter (49ers) on a six-year contract valued at about $30 million.
-----

So an average guy like this get's 30 (all depends on the signing bonus) then what will Abe or say a Kabla Edwards, from Lions, will be looking for....


exactly, its just not worth it at this point. JMO, but i think if they cost that much for 2nd tier guys, we are better off trading up in the draft for Mario, or staying put and drafting 2 good DL.

[SoCalBronco]

:garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia:

How is this even possible?

You know what...im glad the Skins are going to get Abe too. That is the only good thing about this. Let them get him too. I will not tolerate us having the ability to get Carter at a cheaper price than Abe and not having to fork over any picks and not having to worry about character or injuries....and then forking over that pick and getting Abe.

Id rather have nothing....and be in a predicament at End that we can resolve in the draft.


Im ****ing pissed. There is no reason at all the Skins could outbid us for Carter. Its not even possible.

[Tombstone RJ]

I wouldn't mind the Broncos reuniting Courtney Brown with Arrington...

[Merlin]

Im ****ing pissed. There is no reason at all the Skins could outbid us for Carter. Its not even possible.
Did you read the deal? $30 Mill over 6 yrs is fairly pricey for him. I also wanted him, but that is just too much to pay.

[HEAV]

Just saying to win you must get off the chair and make a play for talent. The team looks stupid. Two players both to visit today signed elsewhere before a meeting with Denver.

In years past (early Shanny and when Elway was playing) Denver was always active in the free agent market. Shanny was known to get his man/players.

I understood, to some degree, last year. But damn it. 10 mill to play with and possible more money in restructuring.

It's almost as if the Redskins want the trophy more than the Broncos. The made and won a playoff game. Same thing Denver did. Denver was closer to the ring. But after taking care of their own they sit.

The skins are playing for real. They know the time is now. Let's face it. The 80's and 90's era of building a team for the long haul is over.

Let's load up and go get this done.

[Edskins_RVA]

From what I hear, they want Carter to replace Lavar.. He's a tweener that can also play DE. Williams should be able to think up some creative uses for him.. :) I would like for the Skins to get a true pass-rushing DE. Draft will probably help w/ that..

[SoCalBronco]

Did you read the deal? $30 Mill over 6 yrs is fairly pricey for him. I also wanted him, but that is just too much to pay.

Thats not a big problem. If that is what the market is at, Abe is going to cost 6/45, yet he is 28, injury prone, a loser and a liability against the run.


Its also going to cost a first rounder.


All im going to say is WE BETTER ****ING NOT TRADE FOR ABE!!!!

Im already throwing stuff at the wall. Im sick of this ****. If we are willing to break the bank for Abe, 6/30 isnt a big problem, esp. when YOU DONT HAVE TO ****ING FORK OVER A TOP DRAFT PICK....THINK SHANNY WAKE THE **** UP .

[Tombstone RJ]

Just saying to win you must get off the chair and make a play for talent. The team looks stupid. Two players both to visit today signed elsewhere before a meeting with Denver.

In years past (early Shanny and when Elway was playing) Denver was always active in the free agent market. Shanny was known to get his man/players.

I understood, to some degree, last year. But damn it. 10 mill to play with and possible more money in restructuring.

It's almost as if the Redskins want the trophy more than the Broncos. The made and won a playoff game. Same thing Denver did. Denver was closer to the ring. But after taking care of their own they sit.

The skins are playing for real. They know the time is now. Let's face it. The 80's and 90's era of building a team for the long haul is over.

Let's load up and go get this done.

Who cares?

Let the Skins do their usual rapid fire FA signing crap. Since Snyder bought the team, it hasn't gotten him one playoff win.

Good God, there is something called common sense.

[ludo21]

Heav, i think you are forgetting who shanny is..

He is not getting dumb or forgetting how to get to the SB. He obviuosly thinks that the team we have is good enough (see AFC championship last year) to get to and win the SB. Our primary concern was our own players, we did that.
Our needs are WR (altho we do fine with what we have)- TO will be available, plus dont forget about Terrell.
DL - the draft is where i wanted to get talent anyway.
TE- Draft again, and Shanny knows talent, and he obviously feels Duke is ready for the big lights.

[rbackfactory80]

:garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia: :garcia:

How is this even possible?

You know what...im glad the Skins are going to get Abe too. That is the only good thing about this. Let them get him too. I will not tolerate us having the ability to get Carter at a cheaper price than Abe and not having to fork over any picks and not having to worry about character or injuries....and then forking over that pick and getting Abe.

Id rather have nothing....and be in a predicament at End that we can resolve in the draft.


Im ****ing pissed. There is no reason at all the Skins could outbid us for Carter. Its not even possible.

The reason we didn't outbid is Shanny wants someone else, I think it is kind of obvious.

[Merlin]

Abe is going to cost 6/45, yet he is 28, injury prone, a loser and a liability against the run.
I really hope you are wrong about that one, since it is not much smarter than paying Carter 6/30 (although I do think Abe is a better player than Carter, just not 6/45 plus a first round).

[ludo21]

The reason we didn't outbid is Shanny wants someone else, I think it is kind of obvious.


Your not allowed to use common sense on the boards!!! ;D

[rbackfactory80]

Your not allowed to use common sense on the boards!!! ;D

Slowly I am starting to believe you.

[Merlin]

Who cares?

Let the Skins do their usual rapid fire FA signing crap. Since Snyder bought the team, it hasn't gotten him one playoff win.

Good God, there is something called common sense.
Although I agree with the general gist of your post, there is that little win they had last yr. Their D and O (which had some real wholes, and still does; i.e. OL) just got better, so I am guessing they will go even deeper this next season. The problem is I don't think they have loaded enough to win it all, and they will probably not be able to reload for a while.

[maven]

Since Snyder bought the team, it hasn't gotten him one playoff win.

Good God, there is something called common sense.

Did you watch the Bucs vs Redskins in the playoffs last year?

[24champ]

Heav, i think you are forgetting who shanny is..

He is not getting dumb or forgetting how to get to the SB. He obviuosly thinks that the team we have is good enough (see AFC championship last year) to get to and win the SB. Our primary concern was our own players, we did that.
Our needs are WR (altho we do fine with what we have)- TO will be available, plus dont forget about Terrell.
DL - the draft is where i wanted to get talent anyway.
TE- Draft again, and Shanny knows talent, and he obviously feels Duke is ready for the big lights.
nice post. REP.

[SoCalBronco]

The reason we didn't outbid is Shanny wants someone else, I think it is kind of obvious.

Really?

Is that why he had him over here today?

That someone else better not be Abraham AND it better not cost as much as Carter's deal AND it better not involve trading ANY picks AND it better be a player who will be productive.

Otherwise, we just got assraped with an industrial grade sandpaper condom........again.

[elsid13]

Slowly I am starting to believe you.


Darn you really are slow ;D

[TheDave]

Otherwise, we just got assraped with an industrial grade sandpaper condom........again.


Wow... Thats a visual

[elsid13]

Really?

Is that why he had him over here today?

That someone else better not be Abraham AND it better not cost as much as Carter's deal AND it better not involve trading ANY picks AND it better be a player who will be productive.

Otherwise, we just got assraped with an industrial grade sandpaper condom........again.

I have strange feeling Carter wanted to play LB, and not DE. All offical skins news release are talking about taking Lavar spot. At this point I looking to stand pat on the Draft and not go after Abraham.

[ludo21]

Slowly I am starting to believe you.

You are slow.......... :D

[HEAV]

Who cares?

Let the Skins do their usual rapid fire FA signing crap. Since Snyder bought the team, it hasn't gotten him one playoff win.

Good God, there is something called common sense.




Ummmm they won a Wildcard this ast post season..................

[24champ]

Wow... Thats a visual
I think socal was speaking from experience......

[elsid13]

Isn't Rice from TB expected to be released?

[ludo21]

Ummmm they won a Wildcard this ast post season..................


And what a game that was............;D

I cant wait for the season to start and see all of the naysayers eating their words........AGAIN!

[elsid13]

I think socal was speaking from experience......

Does anyone really want to know???

[baja]

Heav, i think you are forgetting who shanny is..

He is not getting dumb or forgetting how to get to the SB. He obviuosly thinks that the team we have is good enough (see AFC championship last year) to get to and win the SB. Our primary concern was our own players, we did that.
Our needs are WR (altho we do fine with what we have)- TO will be available, plus dont forget about Terrell.
DL - the draft is where i wanted to get talent anyway.
TE- Draft again, and Shanny knows talent, and he obviously feels Duke is ready for the big lights.

Heav does this every year but this time i am inclined to agree with him at least in the case of Carter,he's a player I think could have made a huge difference on our D, tough loss and I bet Shanny is pissed about that one but like So cal said I hope they don't over react and go and pay too much for a questionable Abraham

[SoCalBronco]

:garcia: :garcia: :garcia: >:'( >:'( >:'( :cuss: :cuss: :gus: :bash:



"It's all part of the Plan".


**** the Plan.

[24champ]

Does anyone really want to know???
i understand bob would like to know, he's into that kind of stuff.

[elsid13]

i understand bob would like to know, he's into that kind of stuff.


Yet another life I don't want to know anything about.

[HEAV]

Heav, i think you are forgetting who shanny is..

He is not getting dumb or forgetting how to get to the SB. He obviuosly thinks that the team we have is good enough (see AFC championship last year) to get to and win the SB. Our primary concern was our own players, we did that.
Our needs are WR (altho we do fine with what we have)- TO will be available, plus dont forget about Terrell.
DL - the draft is where i wanted to get talent anyway.
TE- Draft again, and Shanny knows talent, and he obviously feels Duke is ready for the big lights.



Ya living in Steeler country I'm reminded of the AFC championship game. I'm reminded of how Jake was under constant pressure. I'm remeinded of how our defense couldn't get of the field on third down.

I'm saying last year wasn't good enough. No trophy, no parade.
To win in this league you have to be agressive. Shanny should set the tone. Not sit back like a Zen master and say everything is fine.

[elsid13]

:garcia: :garcia: :garcia: >:'( >:'( >:'( :cuss: :cuss: :gus:


"It's all part of the Plan".


**** the Plan.


Socal

Come on this is the same plan that brought the play maker (Gold) back to town last year. :poke:

[baja]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Otherwise, we just got assraped with an industrial grade sandpaper condom........again.


Wow... Thats a visual

No kidding that gotta leave a mark...

[ludo21]

Ya living in Steeler country I'm reminded of the AFC championship game. I'm reminded of how Jake was under constant pressure. I'm remeinded of how our defense couldn't get of the field on third down.

I'm saying last year wasn't good enough. No trophy, no parade.
To win in this league you have to be agressive. Shanny should set the tone. Not sit back like a Zen master and say everything is fine.


I agree he may be pissed about the Carter deal. But imo, if he REALLY wanted him, he would have gotten it done. Obviously there is something else that we eitehr dont know about, or are overlooking.

AFC championship is NOT good enough, but ill trust Shanny on this one.

[SoCalBronco]

Socal

Come on this is the same plan that brought the play maker (Gold) back to town last year. :poke:

Well....this year's "Plan" hasnt hit that kind of low yet....although its on its way, esp if we trade for Abe. .

[TheDave]

I agree he may be pissed about the Carter deal. But imo, if he REALLY wanted him, he would have gotten it done. Obviously there is something else that we eitehr dont know about, or are overlooking.

AFC championship is NOT good enough, but ill trust Shanny on this one.

We also were negotiating with the jets a while ago regarding Abe... Carter could of easily been plan 1b with Abe being 1a

Now i'm going to get out of here before socal reads this...

[elsid13]

Well....this year's "Plan" hasnt hit that kind of low yet....although its on its way, esp if we trade for Abe. .


Relex let see how this plays out. Beside the local radio in DC is talking how Carter wants to play LB for Williams. So even if Denver wanted him, he might not have wanted to play DE for us. It is a two way agreement.

[SoCalBronco]

Relex let see how this plays out. Beside the local radio in DC is talking how Carter wants to play LB for Williams. So even if Denver wanted him, he might not have wanted to play DE for us. It is a two way agreement.

Its all about money. If we offered 6/30 million and one cent, he would have gone to us. LB or DE doesnt matter. Only money matters. In fact, it appears that in terms of intangibles like that, if anything he would have favored Denver due to familial ties. In fact Burger Bill said he was "intrigued" by the possibility of playing for us due to those reasons. Its just a matter of us folding like queers when Joe Gibbs raised the stakes.

[TheDave]

Its all about money. If we offered 6/30 million and one cent, he would have gone to us. LB or DE doesnt matter. Only money matters. In fact, it appears that in terms of intangibles like that, if anything he would have favored Denver due to familial ties. In fact Burger Bill said he was "intrigued" by the possibility of playing for us due to those reasons. Its just a matter of us folding like queers when Joe Gibbs raised the stakes.

Sorry man, but you just quoted Williamson to support your point... Were going to have to strike this post from the record.

[HEAV]

I agree he may be pissed about the Carter deal. But imo, if he REALLY wanted him, he would have gotten it done. Obviously there is something else that we eitehr dont know about, or are overlooking.

AFC championship is NOT good enough, but ill trust Shanny on this one.


I'm just tired of the bargin bin and the buy one get one free players. I'm tired of seeing Jake out their with an aging Rod and inconsistant Ash. Now throw in no Putz and Ron freaking Dayne has the feature back!

The Offense is one injury away from being the Cardinals of 2002.

I just hate waiting for the draft an hoping that this or that guy falls.

All I heard since Feb. was "He wants playmakers" He had cap room. Drafting Sanatonio Holmes is nice. But damn the talent and the money was there to get an NFL starter that can contribute now.

[SoCalBronco]

Sorry man, but you just quoted Williamson to support your point... Were going to have to strike this post from the record.

Yes that did hurt the credibility, I admit it. I wont quote Six Dollar Burger Bill again to support my argument. :thumbsup:

[elsid13]

We also were negotiating with the jets a while ago regarding Abe... Carter could of easily been plan 1b with Abe being 1a

Now i'm going to get out of here before socal reads this...


Coward. :approve:

[Tombstone RJ]

Ummmm they won a Wildcard this ast post season..................

My bad. Ok one wild card game. Fact is, too many FA's tends to disrupt a team as much as help a team. The team still has to jell.

[Ray Finkle]

Its all about money. If we offered 6/30 million and one cent, he would have gone to us. LB or DE doesnt matter. Only money matters. In fact, it appears that in terms of intangibles like that, if anything he would have favored Denver due to familial ties. In fact Burger Bill said he was "intrigued" by the possibility of playing for us due to those reasons. Its just a matter of us folding like queers when Joe Gibbs raised the stakes.


That is an assumption Socal. Carter's father is on the Skins coaching staff isn't he? I sure that may have played a part....Burger Bill couldn't find his butt with both hands and a road map....

[DBroncos4life]

Is it just me or are the other teams that went deep in the playoffs taking it easy to start with as well. I would really hate to see us adding people now just to keep pace with a team that has a history of taking players and trying to get them to mesh in just a few short months. The Pats are quite, the Colts said they didn't want to get caught up in the frenzy, I hate them but they are a very well ran team. I also don't see the Steelers off to a record breaking start either. Lewis was begging them to talk to him as well.

[elsid13]

That is an assumption Socal. Carter's father is on the Skins coaching staff isn't he? I sure that may have played a part....Burger Bill couldn't find his butt with both hands and a road map....

Ruben Carter was on the staff under Gibbs but has move on. I agree that money is only one element of the equation. Maybe he close to Lloyd and others on the team.

[yavoon]

Is it just me or are the other teams that went deep in the playoffs taking it easy to start with as well. I would really hate to see us adding people now just to keep pace with a team that has a history of taking players and trying to get them to mesh in just a few short months. The Pats are quite, the Colts said they didn't want to get caught up in the frenzy, I hate them but they are a very well ran team. I also don't see the Steelers off to a record breaking start either. Lewis was begging them to talk to him as well.

well the steelers colts and pats are all losing players. and I dont think any of them planned on making a big move. the broncos supposedly(I guess) were going to be making moves.

there's still TO and abraham though.

[DBroncos4life]

well the steelers colts and pats are all losing players. and I dont think any of them planned on making a big move. the broncos supposedly(I guess) were going to be making moves.

there's still TO and abraham though.
All three of those teams are ran very well. They don't blow the future of their teams up to look good during FA period.

I really think the Skins got screwed with the signing Adam Archuleta. I really don't think he is better then Chris Hope. You can even say make a claim that Lance Schulters would be a better pick up if he is still out there. I like the Carter signing. I do. That part of their moves I can agree with, but it is a lot of money to spend on a DE that has his history. Now as for their WRs they just picked up. That makes me laugh, Lloyd is good but not that much money good, plus Burnell is the QB. Nothing they have is that great, but if you like signing players to make the offseason look better then they are your team to watch. JMHO

[DBroncos4life]

I would take Reche Caldwell and Tim Carter over those two guys for what they payed for them.

[yavoon]

All three of those teams are ran very well. They don't blow the future of their teams up to look good during FA period.

I really think the Skins got screwed with the signing Adam Archuleta. I really don't think he is better then Chris Hope. You can even say make a claim that Lance Schulters would be a better pick up if he is still out there. I like the Carter signing. I do. That part of their moves I can agree with, but it is a lot of money to spend on a DE that has his history. Now as for their WRs they just picked up. That makes me laugh, Lloyd is good but not that much money good, plus Burnell is the QB. Nothing they have is that great, but if you like signing players to make the offseason look better then they are your team to watch. JMHO

like i said, no1 is expecting much out of them. The broncos are in a different position.

[baja]

well the steelers colts and pats are all losing players. and I dont think any of them planned on making a big move. the broncos supposedly(I guess) were going to be making moves.

there's still TO and abraham though.

Holy shiit who killed yavoon and stole his account, not one ppl or u

[RMT]

Heav does this every year but this time i am inclined to agree with him at least in the case of Carter,he's a player I think could have made a huge difference on our D, tough loss and I bet Shanny is pissed about that one but like So cal said I hope they don't over react and go and pay too much for a questionable Abraham

You mean just like the Redskins overreacted and paid too much for Carter?

[Ray Finkle]

Ruben Carter was on the staff under Gibbs but has move on. I agree that money is only one element of the equation. Maybe he close to Lloyd and others on the team.

thanks I couldn't remember.

[SoCalBronco]

Its been a couple hours and I still feel like ****

[Ray Finkle]

Its been a couple hours and I still feel like ****


Socal you yourself know it is a deep draft and Denver has ammo....if they still are slurping butt after the draft then worry...


Would you rather have Kiwi/Hali or Carter?

Would you rather have DW/Lendale/Mike Bell;D or Lewis?

Would you rather have Chad Jackson or TO? I know your answer but couldn't resists...

[SoCalBronco]

Socal you yourself know it is a deep draft and Denver has ammo....if they still are slurping butt after the draft then worry...


Would you rather have Kiwi/Hali or Carter?

Would you rather have DW/Lendale/Mike Bell;D or Lewis?

Would you rather have Chad Jackson or TO? I know your answer but couldn't resists...



Well its not the draft...its the idea that we would plug a few holes (outside of resigning our key guys) so that we wouldnt be in a position where we would be forced to do certain things in the draft. We should let the draft come to us, not be tied down to do certain things regardless of who falls. Even worse, with Carter gone, Shanny might feel forced to not only hand over that first rounder, but also really overpay to get Abe.

BTW, im glad they didnt sign Lewis. I am not complaining about that. And I dont want TO. Carter was the key though.

[broncohaven]

Has Carter actually signed, or have terms just been agreed to. On ESPNEWS it said they had agreed to terms, but nothing about and actual signing. Is Carter in Denver right now?

[Finger Roll]

who cares about carter the guy is an underachiever. Injury prone and just not worth a big contract. All the guys the Foreskins are signing are average players so who cares about them.

[RMT]

Well its not the draft...its the idea that we would plug a few holes (outside of resigning our key guys) so that we wouldnt be in a position where we would be forced to do certain things in the draft. We should let the draft come to us, not be tied down to do certain things regardless of who falls. Even worse, with Carter gone, Shanny might feel forced to not only hand over that first rounder, but also really overpay to get Abe.

BTW, im glad they didnt sign Lewis. I am not complaining about that. And I dont want TO. Carter was the key though.

The Redskins overpaid to get Carter ... he's been an underachiever the past two years. I'm glad he isn't coming to Denver.