official....Lewis re-signs with the ratbirds... [Archive] - The Orange Mane

spdirty

03-13-2006, 09:17 AM

the running game is the least of our worries, IMO. the system will accommodate backs that other systems won't. shanny has run it every year since he came to Denver--why would this year be any different?

Exactly why I didn't want some big name big money FA. We were second in the league in rushing last year...What more do ppl want?

Rulon Velvet Jones

03-13-2006, 09:17 AM

TO and Carter it is, then.

Shanahan wanted to add a "gamebreaker" and has yet to do so.

Everyone else is making waves, where is Denver in all this?

plummershelper

03-13-2006, 09:17 AM

IMO that leaves us to concentrate on other game breakers on either side of the ball. Here comes the TO, Carter, Abe, Lendel, D Williams talk even more so than before.

Headless Hessian Rider

03-13-2006, 09:17 AM

that leaves carter and t.o. on the sheet....

ro_50

03-13-2006, 09:18 AM

Just curious why they would sign MA and then re-up w/ Jamal Lewis.

I'm sure this wasnt what Anderson was planning.

Play2win

03-13-2006, 09:18 AM

Son of a B*tch :cuss: :moody:

Drek

03-13-2006, 09:20 AM

Good. Didn't really care for the idea of dumping money on Lewis. Dayne and Bell are a good one/two punch, Cedric Cobbs is interesting, all the tools but can't stay healthy. Now we'll take our obligatory draft day RB a little earlier, which is what we should be doing anyways, looking for a long term pro bowl level RB to carry the load for a good long time.

MajikMan7

03-13-2006, 09:20 AM

Exactly why I didn't want some big name big money FA. We were second in the league in rushing last year...What more do ppl want?

exactly, and besides the fact chester taylor out rushed Lewis all season.

meangene

03-13-2006, 09:20 AM

Soooooo glad to see this. I'd rather we focus on Givens and Abraham/Carter in FA. I think with Baltimore and Arizona grabbing FA backs, one of the first round backs may fall to us (Williams, White, Maroney). That would be interesting.

Play2win

03-13-2006, 09:20 AM

Just curious why they would sign MA and then re-up w/ Jamal Lewis.

I'm sure this wasnt what Anderson was planning.

Yeah, I wounder how legit this is...

Oh well, back to hoping we draft Deangelo Williams... ;D :thumbsup:

Old Dude

03-13-2006, 09:22 AM

Fine by me.

ND Bronco Fan

03-13-2006, 09:23 AM

Good, I just never was feeling the Lewis idea anyways, put me on Board with TO and Carter and draft a RB. Other than Ricky which will not happen IMO if his agent is still pissed at Denver there is no one out there that is worth a squirt of piss as far as RB's I want to see.

rbackfactory80

03-13-2006, 09:23 AM

Sounds like big Mike might be back at fullback again....I don't think he was planning on this when he signed....he got a nice signing bonus so maybe that softens the blow.

They had doubts about Lewis, Chester was gone and if Lewis pussy foots it like last year they have a very solid number 2.

MajikMan7

03-13-2006, 09:24 AM

as much as I like the great Dayne, I wouldn't mind seeing us draft Laurence Maroney, the kid is a beast

ND Bronco Fan

03-13-2006, 09:24 AM

Oh Crap.........I forgot about Shanny having a man crush with Barlow, please don't let that be the next option.

meangene

03-13-2006, 09:28 AM

Oh Crap.........I forgot about Shanny having a man crush with Barlow, please don't let that be the next option.

That worries me too. Particuarly with all the supposed dialogue between us and SF.

watermock

03-13-2006, 09:28 AM

Billick is a back stabbing liar. He's lied to us and minnesota twice. He's a collosal asshole. Now he screwed MA.

dumpy

03-13-2006, 09:31 AM

Well with Arizona and Baltimore signing these backs, how far will Lendale White fall?

Paladin

03-13-2006, 09:38 AM

Good! I think Carter/Givens would be the best alternatives. If those two were to come in, TE would be a need, then I think another DE or OLman. The Broncos can then draft for backup and future projects. Maybe trade for more picks next year.

maven

03-13-2006, 09:44 AM

Billick is a back stabbing liar. He's lied to us and minnesota twice. He's a collosal a-hole. Now he screwed MA.

Oh yeah, MIKE sure is screwed. He's going to cry when he deposits the $2 million dollar signing bonus. Poor Mike, he's screwed.

Garcia Bronco

03-13-2006, 10:08 AM

Awesome...thank the lord

Bob's your Information Minister

03-13-2006, 10:18 AM

Will this be another year without an elite offensive threat in Denver?

bronco militia

03-13-2006, 10:18 AM

Will this be another year without an elite offensive threat in Denver?

probably

Mile High Shack

03-13-2006, 10:19 AM

Will this be another year without an elite offensive threat in Denver?

your dumbass would consider Jamal "elite"???

Bob's your Information Minister

03-13-2006, 10:20 AM

your dumbass would consider Jamal "elite"???

He's closer to elite than anything on your roster.

With your blocking scheme, he would be murder.

Mile High Shack

03-13-2006, 10:21 AM

He's closer to elite than anything on your roster.

With your blocking scheme, he would be murder.

yeah, he kicked ass last year, didn't he?

Garcia Bronco

03-13-2006, 10:23 AM

Ozzie Newsome is their GM...not Billick

Popps

03-13-2006, 10:23 AM

He's closer to elite than anything on your roster.

With your blocking scheme, he would be murder.

Nah, he's just a drug dealer.

ludo21

03-13-2006, 10:25 AM

Will this be another year without an elite offensive threat in Denver?

Denver plays as a team!

Getting to the AFC championship w/out a "offensive threat" works for me.

orange crusher

03-13-2006, 10:27 AM

Good, Good, Good. I did not want to see Lewis on this team. There will be some good backs in the draft and one of them will fall now. If we address other needs in FA then one of them will be there for the taking. Bell and Dayne will be fine if not.

HEAV

03-13-2006, 10:35 AM

Son of a B*tch :cuss: :moody:

DAMN............ I'm having flash backs of off season 05.

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-13-2006, 10:36 AM

DAMN............ I'm having flash backs of off season 05.

And how did that work out ;D

Repeat after me:

I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan

HEAV

03-13-2006, 10:40 AM

And how did that work out ;D

Repeat after me:

I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan

Getting our lunch handed to us in the AFC championship by a weaker team and blowing a great chance o win a third Super Bowl.

freak6

03-13-2006, 10:42 AM

thank You God

Ditto over here. I am so thrilled to hear this.

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-13-2006, 10:43 AM

Getting our lunch handed to us in the AFC championship by a weaker team and blowing a great chance o win a third Super Bowl.

Agree, but if you read what was on this baord this time last year it was all "whoa is me" 8-8, Browncos, etc.

HEAV

03-13-2006, 10:47 AM

We need a impact player on both side of the ball. The shelf is getting empty (IMO) and it's time to make a move. I'm happy they have re-up'd certain players. But let's face it we need a shot in the arm now.

I wonder how much Lewis got. If it was reasonable then I'll be pissed.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 10:48 AM

Agree, but if you read what was on this baord this time last year it was all "whoa is me" 8-8, Browncos, etc.
Not me Im a homer, or atleast thats what 14jelway7 calls me on the chatroom.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 10:50 AM

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 10:50 AM

Sweet. Let the gutless criminal stay in Crackmore. Now we can watch DeAngelo Williams and LenDale White fall down the draft board. Arizona & Baltimore won't be taking RB's, so there's a distinct chance that one of those two will be there at 22.

Now sign Andre Carter.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 10:51 AM

3 years 25 mill

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

Jesus. Thank goodness we didn't sign this loser. $25 million over 3 years? Waaaaay too much.

Ray Finkle

03-13-2006, 10:51 AM

3 years 25 mill

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

way to much....

clint7

03-13-2006, 10:54 AM

We need a impact player on both side of the ball. The shelf is getting empty (IMO) and it's time to make a move. I'm happy they have re-up'd certain players. But let's face it we need a shot in the arm now.

Agreed. And if freakin' Kevan "with an 'a' " Barlow is the shot in the arm, I'd rather it be a shot in the head.

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 10:55 AM

And how did that work out ;D

Repeat after me:

I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan
I believe in the plan

BS. They did dick in free agency. Who did they sign last year? Courtney, and he wasn't even a FA when March 3rd rolled around. "The Plan" consisted of trades, signing guys to 1-year vet minium deals, and overpaying for a undersized LB.

This is a flashback to last year when Shanny drags his feet and other teams go out and get who they want. Snyder might spend like a drunken sailor, but he goes and makes sure he gets the guys that Gibbs wants.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 10:57 AM

Now we can watch DeAngelo Williams and LenDale White fall down the draft board. Arizona & Baltimore won't be taking RB's, so there's a distinct chance that one of those two will be there at 22.

Now sign Andre Carter.

Couldn't agree more... This almost gaurantees a choice of Lendale, Williams, and Marooney... @22 give us Wroten at 29 with Andre Carter and life will be good!

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 10:57 AM

BS. They did dick in free agency. Who did they sign last year? Courtney, and he wasn't even a FA when March 3rd rolled around. "The Plan" consisted of trades and signing guys to 1-year vet minium deals.

This is a flashback to last year when Shanny drags his feet and other teams go out and get who they want. Snyder might spend like a drunken sailor, but he goes and makes sure he gets the guys that Gibbs wants.
Atleast we resigned our guys, and people are coming to visit. Don't the Chargers have a buttload of money and you really don't hear them doing anything either.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 10:57 AM

BS. They did dick in free agency. Who did they sign last year? Courtney, and he wasn't even a FA when March 3rd rolled around. "The Plan" consisted of trades, signing guys to 1-year vet minium deals, and overpaying for a undersized LB.

This is a flashback to last year when Shanny drags his feet and other teams go out and get who they want. Snyder might spend like a drunken sailor, but he goes and makes sure he gets the guys that Gibbs wants.

Could be that their #1 offensive target hasn't become available quite yet.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 10:59 AM

This is a flashback to last year when Shanny drags his feet and other teams go out and get who they want. Snyder might spend like a drunken sailor, but he goes and makes sure he gets the guys that Gibbs wants.

And wins less games than us every year.... Sorry but i'll trust Shanahan and Sundquist for now

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 10:59 AM

Don't the Chargers have a buttload of money and you really don't hear them doing anything either.

I don't root for the Chargers, I don't care.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:00 AM

This is a flashback to last year when Shanny drags his feet and other teams go out and get who they want. Snyder might spend like a drunken sailor, but he goes and makes sure he gets the guys that Gibbs wants.

Yeah, and in a few more days Abraham could be a Redskin, Carter a Raider, TO a Cowboy, and Givens a Dolphin, etc. But hey, we might work a deal and grab the great Kevan Barlow. Dare to dream!!!

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:00 AM

Could be that their #1 offensive target hasn't become available quite yet.
I really believe if Williams didn't have the trouble he is having with that false positive test he would be a Broncos by now.

Bob's your Information Minister

03-13-2006, 11:01 AM

Now sign Andre Carter.

Why would you want that bum?

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:01 AM

And wins less games than us every year.... Sorry but i'll trust Shanahan and Sundquist for now

Congrats on missing the point. The point is not that they win less games. The point is that the Skins identify who they want and who they believe will give them a better team, and they go get that individual.

TheManeMan

03-13-2006, 11:01 AM

Could be that their #1 offensive target hasn't become available quite yet.

Thats going to be this Thursday March 16th...isnt it?!?!?

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:01 AM

I don't root for the Chargers, I don't care.
Im just saying we are doing something and people are coming to visit us. Its clear that Pat needs a better private jet to get people here faster then Dan.

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:03 AM

Im just saying we are doing something and people are coming to visit us.

and how many guys will be making their 1st FA visit to Denver, instead of this being their 2nd or 3rd stop?

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:04 AM

Could be that their #1 offensive target hasn't become available quite yet.

Didn't one of the dip-**** retards say the other day this would be TO's last resort because Denver couldn't pay him enough?

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 11:05 AM

Why would you want that bum?

He's not a bum, that title is reserved for the slugs who make up your _efense. I saw that you guys are visiting with Will Allen. :rofl:

He's a pass rusher and an upgrade over what we currently have. He also won't cost us a 1st rounder as Abraham will. He'll ge to move back to DE here instead of being out of place at LB in the 49ers 3-4 scheme.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:06 AM

Didn't one of the dip-**** retards say the other day this would be TO's last resort because Denver couldn't pay him enough?

Yep, I think the phrase was "TO's last financial resort."

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 11:06 AM

Didn't one of the dip-**** retards say the other day this would be TO's last resort because Denver couldn't pay him enough?

I didn't read that but it doesn't surprise me that they'd say that. They seem to change their story on everything every other day.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:07 AM

and how many guys will be making their 1st FA visit to Denver, instead of this being their 2nd or 3rd stop?
Way to forget the second part of my post. I don't know why things are slow for us. Like I said Williams had to be the plan, and that got messed up. It really doesn't matter because when we do make moves people get pissed about it anyways.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 11:07 AM

Congrats on missing the point. The point is not that they win less games. The point is that the Skins identify who they want and who they believe will give them a better team, and they go get that individual.

Give it up Herc... Your just in this years panic mode. The goal is always about winning games. We do it, the skins don't... That means our off-season methods work better than theirs.

So what if they go out and make the big glamorous free agent splash every year... We don't, neither does Pittsburgh, neither does New England... See a trend here?

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:09 AM

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:10 AM

I don't care how many teams that guy goes to visit either, just as long as when he gets here he becomes a Bronco.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:11 AM

Give it up Herc... Your just in this years panic mode. The goal is always about winning games. We do it, the skins don't... That means our off-season methods work better than theirs.

So what if they go out and make the big glamorous free agent splash every year... We don't, neither does Pittsburgh, neither does New England... See a trend here?

I would say Corey Dillon and Rodney Harrison were "glamorous free agent splashes." Those turned out okay for them, wouldn't you say? If I recall, Harrison wanted to be a Bronco, but the front office didn't even return his call and he signed with New England.

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:12 AM

I don't care how many teams that guy goes to visit either, just as long as when he gets here he becomes a Bronco.

The problem is that if a team wants a guy, they're going to do everything they can to prevent him from leaving town. That's why you've got a nice advantage if you can get the guy to town before anyone else can.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:13 AM

I would say Corey Dillon and Rodney Harrison were "glamorous free agent splashes." Those turned out okay for them, wouldn't you say? If I recall, Harrison wanted to be a Bronco, but the front office didn't even return his call and he signed with New England.
Dillon was traded to the Pats. Harrison was veiwed as aging at the time ala Lynch.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:15 AM

The problem is that if a team wants a guy, they're going to do everything they can to prevent him from leaving town. That's why you've got a nice advantage if you can get the guy to town before anyone else can.
Herc I understand that and I understand why you are upset. There are still some good players to be had though and we will see if we can land them.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 11:15 AM

There's a difference when Gibbs runs the ship and Snyder's just writing the checks, and when Snyder's playing Madden. If you don't think the Skins have seriously made strides this offseason, you're blind. They're better than the Broncos are at this point.

Your kidding right... Bcause they seriously over-paid for 2 more 3rd recievers and a often injured strong safety that won't get on the feild unless Taylor goes to jail... Relax man it's only day 3, we will take care of business.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 11:16 AM

Dillon was traded to the Pats. Harrison was veiwed as aging at the time ala Lynch.

Thank you...

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:17 AM

Your kidding right... Bcause they seriously over-paid for 2 more 3rd recievers and a often injured strong safety that won't get on the feild unless Taylor goes to jail... Relax man it's only day 3, we will take care of business.

and the Broncos are down 3 starters. Might not have been 3 great starters, but Denver is currently in the hole and the Skins are in the positive.

bronco militia

03-13-2006, 11:19 AM

and the Broncos are down 3 starters. Might not have been 3 great starters, but Denver is currently in the hole and the Skins are in the positive.

you don't care about the chargers, but you care about the redskins offseason moves?

the Broncos will go the cheap route again...

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:20 AM

The best thing the Skins did is getting Sanders to be the OC. That could help, but they do have alot of power guys butting heads on O. Im with TheDave here they did pay quite abit for the WRs they brought in. I like the Llyod trade but you never know. Campbell hasn't proved anything and while Burnell played ok, he still looked his age most of the time. I don't think Adam was the best saftey in FA. He isn't a pure cover guy really and I think he is behind Pope talent wise. JMO

Hercules Rockefeller

03-13-2006, 11:22 AM

you don't care about the chargers, but you care about the redskins offseason moves?

the Broncos will go the cheap route again...

I point out teams that make things happen. If the Chargers aren't willing to spend their money, I don't care.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:23 AM

Dillon was traded to the Pats. Harrison was veiwed as aging at the time ala Lynch.

He must age well considering what he's done since then. And you can stick your "Dillon was trade" crap. That's why I used "quotes" around his use of the words. I know the difference. I'd consider Abraham an off-season move even if he was traded. The argument was the Skin's vs Pitt approach. Not whether he was a FA or a trade. That's the point/debate. ::)

Dragging your feet vs striking fast in the off-season at your targets. But just go back to dreaming about whatever blue chipper draft pick that Kiper tells you to believe in. I'm sure all those sleepers will fill Denver's needs just fine. ::)

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:29 AM

He must age well considering what he's done since then. And you can stick your "Dillon was trade" crap. That's why I used "quotes" around his use of the words. I know the difference. I'd consider Abraham an off-season move even if he was traded. The argument was the Skin's vs Pitt approach. Not whether he was a FA or a trade. That's the point/debate. ::)

Dragging your feet vs striking fast in the off-season at your targets. But just go back to dreaming about whatever blue chipper draft pick that Kiper tells you to believe in. I'm sure all those sleepers will fill Denver's needs just fine. ::)
Do you have the dates that the Pats picked these guys up in FA? Also Im not impressed by a Saftey having a 130 tackles. To me that means the guys up front are not doing there jobs. Regardless Denver beat NE in the playoffs so our "dragging our feet" approach to the offseason last year must have payed off better then their plan.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 11:30 AM

He must age well considering what he's done since then. And you can stick your "Dillon was trade" crap. That's why I used "quotes" around his use of the words. I know the difference. I'd consider Abraham an off-season move even if he was traded. The argument was the Skin's vs Pitt approach. Not whether he was a FA or a trade. That's the point/debate. ::)

Dragging your feet vs striking fast in the off-season at your targets. But just go back to dreaming about whatever blue chipper draft pick that Kiper tells you to believe in. I'm sure all those sleepers will fill Denver's needs just fine. ::)

This off-season, the part of Frantic FA Poster will be played by clint 7.

It's Fvcking day 3.... relax

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:33 AM

Do you have the dates that the Pats picked these guys up in FA? Also Im not impressed by a Saftey having a 130 tackles. To me that means the guys up front are not doing there jobs. Regardless Denver beat NE in the playoffs so our "dragging our feet" approach to the offseason last year must have payed off better then their plan.

We are talking about the New England Patriots, correct? I think they've won a few recent Super Bowls with those off-season moves we were discussing. And if you think Harrison wasn't an important and impressive part of that success, then there's no need to discuss this any longer. Have a great day! :wave:

Rascal

03-13-2006, 11:36 AM

and the Broncos are down 3 starters. Might not have been 3 great starters, but Denver is currently in the hole and the Skins are in the positive.

Which holes?

RB...we signed Dayne.

DE...we are interviewing Carter and still in for Abraham.

TE...apparently we are talking to Putzier's agent.

I figured if nothing happens both those holes will be filled in the draft, and filled well. If they aren't filled in the draft...then you can go ape****. But it's a bit early to go ape **** at this moment.

Paladin

03-13-2006, 11:38 AM

It is freaking ridiculous to get all hot and bothered about the course of FA to this point. FA started Saturday. There are a couple of people at Dove Valley now, I believe. Carter is there. I also understood that Givens was coming in today (?) Plus, I don't know how the BBT views the rest of the guys on the roster. A Chicken Little approach to FA is not very helpful.

I dont give a rats' bums what the Redskins do, or the Cards do, or even if the KC Mullets were to sign anyone they care. I was mildly interested in the Edge move, but other than that, so what? The "Skins can sign TO if they want. So what? The BBT has an idea of what it is doing, I think. What's that matter with that? Relax and go watch your highlights of last year's team.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:41 AM

This off-season, the part of Frantic FA Poster will be played by clint 7.

It's Fvcking day 3.... relax

It's nice that you continue to miss point after point of what Herc is saying. Whatever, fella. Go back and slowly read what he's saying about the Skins approach (target player, bring in immediately, prevent other teams from stealing first). His point is "Fvkcing Day 3" (as you like to refer to it) and the Redskins have already visited or visiting with some of the same targets Denver supposed have, or at least visited with who THEY target. His point is that Washington is beating teams to the punch. Whether or not that approach wins the fight isn't the point he's making. The point is that they are punching first. Whether or not the player is worth a lick, is another point entirely also.

Rascal

03-13-2006, 11:41 AM

Personally if all we sign is Carter and Givens in FA I'd be thrilled.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:43 AM

I'm not bad about any lack of visits or new signings,though. I'm just mad J. Lewis won't be signing now and I can't see so many of you have your meltdown on the board. It would have been fun.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:44 AM

Billy Clyde Puckett

03-13-2006, 11:46 AM

Personally if all we sign is Carter and Givens in FA I'd be thrilled.

I'm on board with that!!!!

Then pull in a couple of depth types and hit it hard in the draft.

TheDave

03-13-2006, 11:48 AM

It's nice that you continue to miss point after point of what Herc is saying. Whatever, fella. Go back and slowly read what he's saying about the Skins approach (target player, bring in immediately, prevent other teams from stealing first). His point is "Fvkcing Day 3" (as you like to refer to it) and the Redskins have already visited or visiting with some of the same targets Denver supposed have, or at least visited with who THEY target. His point is that Washington is beating teams to the punch. Whether or not that approach wins the fight isn't the point he's making. The point is that they are punching first. Whether or not the player is worth a lick, is another point entirely also.

and there are several teams after us. Only one guy has a private jet that runs around picking everyone up... hows that worked for them the last few offseasons? Everyone is fighting for the 2nd visit after the Skins. Looks like we are #2. Get Carter and our offseason will have started well IMO. Keep in mind we nearly stuck a deal with the jets prior to the off-season starting. Doesn't look like we are sitting on our hands to me.

ludo21

03-13-2006, 11:48 AM

Im with Dave here.

We lost 3 starters, and im very glad we did!! (except for the putz)

Pryce - boy im glad hes gone
MA - i love him , but Dayne or Bell will be solid

I belive we can draft some solid DL, and the TE talent in this draft is amazing!
Bringing in Abe or Carter is also still an option.

Id gladly sit back and not overpay for 2nd tier players.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:49 AM

And just who did the Skins pick up that will push them over the top???

Ha! LOL

This is like an Abbott & Costello routine. That's not what he's saying.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:50 AM

Only one guy has a private jet that runs around picking everyone up.

Now THAT is true.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 11:51 AM

Now THAT is true.

And how well has that worked out for him in the past?

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:52 AM

And how well has that worked out for him in the past?
I pointed the jet out a long time ago but I guess that got missed. A

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 11:54 AM

Ha! LOL

This is like an Abbott & Costello routine. That's not what he's saying.
So they are not adding players to win, ok they just like spending money. Good for them, I'll take players that watnt to come in and win not score a big payday from Danny Boy.

clint7

03-13-2006, 11:54 AM

And how well has that worked out for him in the past?

Oh for the love of God. This isn't even my debate. All I'm saying is that you are misunderstanding Herc's point. It wasn't talking about "how it worked out," "how many games won vs loss," "the player's talent," etc. He was just making a point about bringing in THAT TEAM'S targeted players early for visits approach vs not doing so. Geez...

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 11:58 AM

Oh for the love of God. This isn't even my debate. All I'm saying is that you are misunderstanding Herc's point. It wasn't talking about "how it worked out," "how many games won vs loss," "the player's talent," etc. He was just making a point about bringing in THAT TEAM'S targeted players early for visits approach vs not doing so. Geez...

Big ****ing whoop. So you're impressed by Snyder getting guys in early for visits. I'm really happy for you.

clint7

03-13-2006, 12:00 PM

So they are not adding players to win, ok they just like spending money. Good for them, I'll take players that watnt to come in and win not score a big payday from Danny Boy.

Is it a reading comprehension problem that you have?

Let me copy his post to TheDave again. You and Cockwork re-read it from left to right, top to bottom. When you reply with, “How’s that working out,” for the fifth time, proceed directly to 5th grade reading comprehension class.

Congrats on missing the point. The point is not that they win less games. The point is that the Skins identify who they want and who they believe will give them a better team, and they go get that individual.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 12:02 PM

Is it a reading comprehension problem that you have?

Let me copy his post to TheDave again. You and corkwork re-read it from left to right, top to bottom. When you reply with, “How’s that working out,” for the fifth time, proceed directly to 5th grade reading comprehension class.

**** off asswipe. I'm sorry that you're on your period because the Broncos aren't doing what you want them to. There's room on the Skins bandwagon for you chicken little.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 12:03 PM

Is it a reading comprehension problem that you have?

Let me copy his post to TheDave again. You and corkwork re-read it from left to right, top to bottom. When you reply with, “How’s that working out,” for the fifth time, proceed directly to 5th grade reading comprehension class.
I got the point along time ago, I guess you are not getting mine about me not giving a **** what they do and how many people they get there early.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 12:04 PM

I got the point along time ago, I guess you are not getting mine about me not giving a **** what they do and how many people they get there early.

Thank you. Some of us don't give a **** what Dan Snyder does because we've seen the results that he's garnered.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 12:06 PM

**** off asswipe. I'm sorry that you're on your period because the Broncos aren't doing what you want them to. There's room on the Skins bandwagon for you chicken little.
oh dan your jet is so sexy I want to play for you. ROFL! If I was a NFL player the first team on my list would be the big spending Skins as well.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 12:08 PM

oh dan your jet is so sexy I want to play for you. ROFL! If I was a NFL player the first team on my list would be the big spending Skins as well.

Yeah, the same Dan Snyder who Shanahan has taken to the woodshed in trades the last two years. Yeah, his approach is the one we should copy.

clint7

03-13-2006, 12:09 PM

**** off asswipe. I'm sorry that you're on your period because the Broncos aren't doing what you want them to. There's room on the Skins bandwagon for you chicken little.

Just because your reading comprehension skills rank up there with the average house cat, don't get huffy with me, tough guy. It's not my fault you can't grasp Herc's rather simply point. You can relax, though. You don't have to wet your pants anymore on the board about J. Lewis coming to town. Chicken Little? Guess you don't have to whine about Denver's RB interest in him anymore. Take a look in the mirror. Pot, say hello to Mr. Kettle.

DBroncos4life

03-13-2006, 12:10 PM

Yeah, the same Dan Snyder who Shanahan has taken to the woodshed in trades the last two years. Yeah, his approach is the one we should copy.
Dan is like that really rich kid in HS that no one likes at all but they hang around him because he buys them things.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 12:25 PM

Just because your reading comprehension skills rank up there with the average house cat, don't get huffy with me, tough guy. It's not my fault you can't grasp Herc's rather simply point. You can relax, though. You don't have to wet your pants anymore on the board about J. Lewis coming to town. Chicken Little? Guess you don't have to whine about Denver's RB interest in him anymore. Take a look in the mirror. Pot, say hello to Mr. Kettle.

You wound me, really. :rofl:

You're the one saying that Mike Shanahan should emulate the style of Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder. If you can't see the idiocy in that then you're either on heavy drugs or you just fell off the turnip truck.

clint7

03-13-2006, 12:34 PM

You wound me, really. :rofl:

You're the one saying that Mike Shanahan should emulate the style of Dan Snyder. Dan Snyder. If you can't see the idiocy in that then you're either on heavy drugs or you just fell off the turnip truck.

I didn't say that at all. That fact that you think that proves your ignorance. The discussion, which you have trouble grasping as if it were the process of splitting DNA, was Herc's exchange with TheDave regarding the advantages of bringing your targeted players in early for visits. I'm sorry if you can't grasp this. Keep spinning the topic and missing the point. It fits you well.

Lestat

03-13-2006, 12:47 PM

sweet, now that means Lendale or DeAngelo will fall to us :D

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 12:51 PM

I didn't say that at all. That fact that you think that proves your ignorance. The discussion, which you have trouble grasping as if it were the process of splitting DNA, was Herc's exchange with TheDave regarding the advantages of bringing your targeted players in early for visits. I'm sorry if you can't grasp this. Keep spinning the topic and missing the point. It fits you well.

Contrary to your shortsighted view, I do see some advantages to bringing in free agents for visits early. I also see the downside to it. Snyder is not the type to wait and see what the market is for players, he doesn't seem to care. The Broncos have been burned in the past going that route (see eddie mac's threads on thrown away signing bonuses since 2001). I would much rather Shanahan stick with this method of being patient and waiting to see what the market is for players rather than throwing big money at a player just to satiate fans who are ready to call the offseason a failure if no big ticket players are signed three days into free agency.

You see, it's pretty simple. I didn't miss the point, I just disagree with it. Mmkay?

Rascal

03-13-2006, 12:58 PM

HOLY CRAP!!!!

Adam Shefter is reporting that the Ravens signed Lewis to a 3 year deal and close to 25 million. Apparently their is a void clause in which it can be worth only a one year contract for 6 million (shrewd move by the Ravens).

I don't think we could have afforded that.

ozomulsion

03-13-2006, 01:00 PM

sweet, now that means Lendale or DeAngelo will fall to us :D
Lendale might fall to us as it's not yet known if he can carry a full load. He also has weight issues but he & Bell would be a great combo none the less. DeAngelo won't fall out of the top ten. You don't pass up talent like that unless you have a great RB. It is rear to see a top 5 pick tailback, with great charecter slide out of the top 10.

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 01:01 PM

Lendale might fall to us as it's not even known if he can carry a full load yet. He also has weight issues but he & Bell would be a great combo none the less. DeAngelo won't fall out of the top ten. You don't pass up talent like that unless you have a great RB.

Which team in the top 10 do you see taking him? I honestly can't see any of them going that route. They've all either got RB's or have more pressing needs.

ludo21

03-13-2006, 01:02 PM

Lendale might fall to us as it's not yet known if he can carry a full load. He also has weight issues but he & Bell would be a great combo none the less. DeAngelo won't fall out of the top ten. You don't pass up talent like that unless you have a great RB.

homer:D ..... just cause he is a good college talent doesnt mean NFL teams will be willing to take him in the top 10.

clint7

03-13-2006, 01:04 PM

I didn't miss the point, I just disagree with it. Mmkay?

Mmkay.

But just so we're clear and you don’t get the wrong idea of my thoughts of Shanahan, I too do not agree with bringing in players early AND tossing fat cash at them just to be doing it. The perfect mix, in my opinion, is Excellent Scouting and Player Evaluation + Understanding of own team's need + Targeting those players/needs + Bringing those folks in early + Spending aggressively to get what you believe you need but not foolishly = Success.

I'm not saying the Redskins do that or am slamming Shanahan and the Broncos brass. Heck, I wasn't even in the original debate. I just am not a fan of waiting too long (and yes I know it's only day three) before bringing your targets in for a visit. Mmkay?

Peace.

Odysseus

03-13-2006, 01:10 PM

Jesus. Thank goodness we didn't sign this loser. $25 million over 3 years? Waaaaay too much.

So you mean Sarge is reduced to being an insurance policy for the Ravens? Geez. I guess it's better than taking a backseat playing for the Broncos. I hope he got paid.

Broncos are interviewing viable candidates and if the price is too high they are letting them walk. What difference does it make? Aren't these same salary bloated teams going to have to draft players? Aren't they going to have to overlook UDFA players, draft picks, and guys right on their roster because they have a high dollar committments? Let them pop their cherry. How did Brady get discovered? Was high round pick? A superstar FA? Come on guys. Don't you pay attention to this stuff?

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 01:14 PM

Mmkay.

But just so we're clear and you don’t get the wrong idea of my thoughts of Shanahan, I too do not agree with bringing in players early AND tossing fat cash at them just to be doing it. The perfect mix, in my opinion, is Excellent Scouting and Player Evaluation + Understanding of own team's need + Targeting those players/needs + Bringing those folks in early + Spending aggressively to get what you believe you need but not foolishly = Success.

I'm not saying the Redskins do that or am slamming Shanahan and the Broncos brass. Heck, I wasn't even in the original debate. I just am not a fan of waiting too long (and yes I know it's only day three) before bringing your targets in for a visit. Mmkay?

Peace.

Fair enough. I agree that I don't want the Broncos to go the Indy route of waiting until three weeks into free agency to make some moves (as Polian has already said they'll do) either. I would just hate to see them get too aggressive and give out bad contracts. I was worried that Shanahan might do that after seeing how close the Broncos were to making the big dance last season. As you know, I was no fan of the idea of bringing in Jamal Lewis. I'd have lost my mind if Shanahan had jumped the gun and gave him the kind of money that Baltimore did.

If they miss out on Andre Carter, then you'll see me get up in arms about how they're handling free agency.

ozomulsion

03-13-2006, 01:18 PM

Which team in the top 10 do you see taking him? I honestly can't see any of them going that route. They've all either got RB's or have more pressing needs.

From what I hear, the 9ers are enamoured with him. They were all over his jock at the senior bowl. Most teams with a top 10 pick have glaring needs, so at the very least I see a team trading up using a player and a pick.

It's hard to guess who and it might really surprise some folks because that team may already have a realy good RB. I'd bet my life that more than a few teams have their eyes set on him and don't plan to sit on their hands. He has the kind of potential you have to go out and get.

Tombstone RJ

03-13-2006, 01:18 PM

Makes the MA signing very curious.

Not really. Eases the load for Lewis. He'll be fresh in the 4th quarter...

clint7

03-13-2006, 01:21 PM

If they miss out on Andre Carter, then you'll see me get up in arms about how they're handling free agency.

I have a bad feeling Oakland might get him. They are interested in him and I also have a feeling he might want to stay in the Bay area since he's played in the area since college. I have a bad feeling about being able to get him.

Paladin

03-13-2006, 01:24 PM

Whether or not they sign Carter is dependant upon how they evaluate the Draft talent and the likely possibilities there, the cost of Carter, and the fit with the team needs.

There is a "big picture" that requires a plan to navigate, and I would believe thta the BBT is working that plan. I don't know if it will be successful or not, but last year's plan was a great success. Maybe they will make it 2 in a row. My money is on the BBT.

Smiling Assassin27

03-13-2006, 01:26 PM

Do we take a chance on Michael Bennett? not sure if we'd just be doubling up or not--is he just like bell or can he run between the tackles?

Rascal

03-13-2006, 01:26 PM

Do we take a chance on Michael Bennett? not sure if we'd just be doubling up or not--is he just like bell or can he run between the tackles?

no

eddie mac

03-13-2006, 01:27 PM

I still believe Shanny is keeping what little FA money he has for Abraham. I just hope they dont give up a 1st rounder straight up for him.

Den Smith 49

03-13-2006, 01:28 PM

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 01:32 PM

Do we take a chance on Michael Bennett? not sure if we'd just be doubling up or not--is he just like bell or can he run between the tackles?

He can't seem to stay healthy. I don't see much need for him.

Den Smith 49

03-13-2006, 01:34 PM

Contrary to your shortsighted view, I do see some advantages to bringing in free agents for visits early. I also see the downside to it. Snyder is not the type to wait and see what the market is for players, he doesn't seem to care. The Broncos have been burned in the past going that route (see eddie mac's threads on thrown away signing bonuses since 2001). I would much rather Shanahan stick with this method of being patient and waiting to see what the market is for players rather than throwing big money at a player just to satiate fans who are ready to call the offseason a failure if no big ticket players are signed three days into free agency.

You see, it's pretty simple. I didn't miss the point, I just disagree with it. Mmkay?

Exactly. When you go to buy a new/used car do you want the salesman to know you just have to have it. you want the best deal you can get. Denver is not that far away, we don't need to overpay.

clint7

03-13-2006, 01:38 PM

Dear herc and clint7,

You have got to be kidding me. Herc thinks the skins front office has done a better job over the last few years, clint7 says the patriots swuperbowl runs were built on big free agency signings.

A. I'll take our record over the last few years over skins every time and twice on tuesdays.
B. All the talk about the patriots after their first suberbowl was how they did it as a team, not with standout players.

I realize your gonna rip me a new one cuz I'm a newbie, but it doesn't get much more black and white.

Shanahan was the best thing to happen to the Broncos since John Elway.

I'm not gonna rip you, man, because you're new. I just didn't say what you're saying I said. I only said that Dillon and Harrison were an important part of the Pats recent success. Not the only part and I never said their success was built only by big free agent signings....ah, nevermind, ya damn newbie. ;)

Lestat

03-13-2006, 01:41 PM

Clock that was the same knock on Courtney Brown, both have potential & if they can stay healthy will be very good

+ Bennett doesn't come with the Whizzanator(sp?)

Den Smith 49

03-13-2006, 01:45 PM

I'm not gonna rip you, man, because you're new. I just didn't say what you're saying I said. I only said that Dillon and Harrison were an important part of the Pats recent success. Not the only part and I never said their success was built only by big free agent signings....ah, nevermind, ya damn newbie. ;)

LOL

toad

03-13-2006, 01:52 PM

Clock that was the same knock on Courtney Brown, both have potential & if they can stay healthy will be very good

+ Bennett doesn't come with the Whizzanator(sp?)

Nah...Onterrio Smith was the Vikings back with the Whizzanator.

Wan't Bennett Dayne's successor at Wisconsin?

Either way I don't like him....he's fragile and all speed with no toughness. He's "Bell Lite."

extralife

03-13-2006, 02:31 PM

I don't understand how some of you guys are saying we're not jumping on our targets early enough. We contacted the Jets before anyone else about Abraham, and I think there's some guy in Philly that might be topping our list. Anyone think of that? That maybe Shanny was willing to listen to Jamal in case he was desperate, but that he'd rather have money hanging around for TO come this week?

Either way, yelling at Shannahan for not immediately overpaying for a busted druggie to play a position we can get anyone to play is a little much. Y'all need to soak your heads in the tub for a little while.

Carter is still available

Abe is still out there (DON'T GET HIM)

TO is still the ultimate wild card

And now we should get Williams, White or Maroney if we want them. Sounds good to me.

long beach bronco

03-13-2006, 03:01 PM

Here is what i hope we will do: Sign Carter, Sign T.O., give our two first round picks to San Fran and Lelie and then draft Vernon Davis. That would be priceless.

baja

03-13-2006, 03:02 PM

Agree, but if you read what was on this board this time last year it was all "whoa is me" 8-8, Browncos, etc.

And heav was leading the pack too. 8 and 8 turned to 14 and 4 and we did that coming back from a bad cap position. A year later and the browncos are now all the rage and everyone even the harshest critics are begging the FO to get them signed and they did sign. Now a few days of free agency go by and the chicken little attitude of last season is right back.

In Shanny I trust is a winning position and always will be.

We'll get Carter and Dayne will blow the doors off the league next season as will Watts and Ash and just watch a tight end named Duke. Hide and watch.

ozomulsion

03-13-2006, 03:06 PM

And now we should get Williams, White or Maroney if we want them. Sounds good to me.

Keep kidding yourself about Williams. Unless we trade up it's not going to happen.

baja

03-13-2006, 03:25 PM

Oh for the love of God. This isn't even my debate. All I'm saying is that you are misunderstanding Herc's point. It wasn't talking about "how it worked out," "how many games won vs loss," "the player's talent," etc. He was just making a point about bringing in THAT TEAM'S targeted players early for visits approach vs not doing so. Geez...

Did it occur to you that we did not really have any player targeted that has been signed away. My guess is we want Carter or Abraham along with TO or Ricky Williams. Think maybe Shanahan is capable of a smoke screen or two??

Shanny will get his man lack of aggression is not a Shanahan trait.

baja

03-13-2006, 03:29 PM

Yeah, the same Dan Snyder who Shanahan has taken to the woodshed in trades the last two years. Yeah, his approach is the one we should copy.

Bada Bing.....

clint7

03-13-2006, 03:30 PM

Did it occur to you that we did not really have any player targeted that has been signed away. My guess is we want Carter or Abraham along with TO or Ricky Williams. Think maybe Shanahan is capable of a smoke screen or two??

Shanny will get his man lack of aggression is not a Shanahan trait.

I'm sorry...you were saying something about getting Carter and not really wanting any player targeted that has been signed away. ;)

extralife

03-13-2006, 03:31 PM

Keep kidding yourself about Williams. Unless we trade up it's not going to happen.

I just said one of the three. I wouldn't mind any of them.

eddie mac

03-13-2006, 03:33 PM

Here's why we didn't sign Lewis.

3yrs $26m, $5m SB. His base for 06 is $1m, the contract is basically a 1 yr $6m deal with a cap hit of $3m for 2006. His base salaries for 2007 and 2008 are $10m a piece if the Ratbirds decide to pick up the option.

baja

03-13-2006, 03:33 PM

Just because your reading comprehension skills rank up there with the average house cat, don't get huffy with me, tough guy. It's not my fault you can't grasp Herc's rather simply point. You can relax, though. You don't have to wet your pants anymore on the board about J. Lewis coming to town. Chicken Little? Guess you don't have to whine about Denver's RB interest in him anymore. Take a look in the mirror. Pot, say hello to Mr. Kettle.

Did it occur to you that Shanny never intended to sign a two time acl two time drug suspended washed up back in the first place. Lots of players get invitations doesn't mean jack. Hell you want to talk invatations we talked to TO in Feb big whoop.

clint7

03-13-2006, 03:36 PM

Did it occur to you that Shanny never intended to sign a two time acl two time drug suspended washed up back in the first place. Lots of players get invitations doesn't mean jack. Hell you want to talk invatations we talked to TO in Feb big whoop.

Did it occur to you that you begin several posts with, "Did it occur to you?"

Yeah, Shanahan wanted Lewis to fly out to Denver because he wanted to call him a "two time acl, two time drug suspended washed up back." The Denver press was just playing along so they could say, "Jamal...you've been punked!" Brilliant deduction.

Go on, you were enlightening everyone about getting Andre Carter and not having targeted players taken away. Please continue...

baja

03-13-2006, 03:55 PM

I'm sorry...you were saying something about getting Carter and not really wanting any player targeted that has been signed away. ;)

Oh Shiit don't you tellme while i have been typing and reading this thread someone signed Carter... If so Dumb ass Shanahan. :wiggle:

baja

03-13-2006, 04:01 PM

Did it occur to you that you begin several posts with, "Did it occur to you?"

Yeah, Shanahan wanted Lewis to fly out to Denver because he wanted to call him a "two time cal, two time drug suspended washed up back." The Denver press was just playing along so they could say, "Jamal...you've been punked!" Brilliant deduction.

Go on, you were enlightening everyone about getting Andre Carter and not having targeted players taken away. Please continue...

Only two sorry if that offends did you think you were reading Dickens?

Yes I do think they bring guys in for a look see with only a mild interest in signing them or checking to see if there is a bargain there.

Are you always such a sarcastic prick or do you just have your "bad days"?

clint7

03-13-2006, 04:04 PM

Only two sorry if that offends did you think you were reading Dickens?

Yes I do think they bring guys in for a look see with only a mild interest in signing them or checking to see if there is a bargain there.

Are you always such a sarcastic prick or do you just have your "bad days"?cal

Gee...looks like Baja is rather touchy. And yes, sarcasm is a gift.

I was only messin' with ya. I knew the Carter information came out while you were typing those posts and you didn't know it. I was just needling ya. Wow. FA has got the board angry. It's a civil war on the Orangemane!

Lestat

03-13-2006, 04:13 PM

wow, just wow, i just said the other night only the Ravens would dare(be stupid enough) to pay Lewis close to Edge money & here they go & pay him better

ozomulsion

03-13-2006, 04:17 PM

wow, just wow, i just said the other night only the Ravens would dare(be stupid enough) to pay Lewis close to Edge money & here they go & pay him better

Nope, they really didn't.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2366529

Lestat

03-13-2006, 04:32 PM

i already knew it's a one year deal but the total contract i meant is better cause if he has a good year they'll just restructure & he'll still get his money

baja

03-13-2006, 04:42 PM

Gee...looks like Baja is rather touchy. And yes, sarcasm is a gift.

<b>I was only messin' with ya. I knew the Carter information came out while you were typing those posts and you didn't know it. I was just needling ya. Wow. FA has got the board angry. It's a civil war on the Orangemane!</b>

I thought that's what you were alluding to but i did not want to believe it, hell I still don't want to believe it. It was a perfect set up though I got to admit that, while I'm crafting a post to defend Shanny's slow deliberate plan Carter is signed right from under my nose as I type. FUUCK

Clockwork Orange

03-13-2006, 08:21 PM

Interesting.

Broncos | Team offered Lewis a contract
Mon, 13 Mar 2006 19:12:05 -0800

Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports the Denver Broncos reportedly offered RB Jamal Lewis a longer-term contract than the one he wound up accepting from the Baltimore Ravens.

royr17

03-14-2006, 05:20 AM

If you think any running back can work behind it, then why dont you go out and sign Mike Cloud and see how that works out for yall ..........

fontaine

03-14-2006, 05:26 AM

My response is:

Who the ***k is Jamal Lewis?

If he wants to go play for a sub .500 team with pipe hitting criminals instead of playing in the mecca of Running Backs, then ***k him. That's his loss.

fontaine

03-14-2006, 05:29 AM

If you think any running back can work behind it, then why dont you go out and sign Mike Cloud and see how that works out for yall ..........

That's because you can only prove a point so many times to retards who don't get it until you feel stupid yourself.

Especially if those retards are chef fans who are still cleaning Quentin Griffin's cleat marks off their a$$e$.

royr17

03-14-2006, 07:18 AM

The past is the past, its done, I've done forgot about it, dont care, Griffin had a great game.

But you guys need to worry about the future. Your zone blockin scheme is why back succeed. But you have to have somebody that can make the cuts.

Tatum Bell can make the cuts but he has trouble stayin healthy, you guys need to find a starter you can depend on like what you had when you had Portis.

fontaine

03-14-2006, 07:22 AM