Archuleta a Skin

[Ray Finkle]

Per ESPN....reminding anyone of the Vikes last year?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2366421

[Crushisback]

My God! 5mil a year for a mediocre DB.

[Rascal]

Good lord where are they getting this money?

[Ray Finkle]

Good lord where are they getting this money?


if you listen to the skins fans, they never had cap problems....

to me, this looks like gearing up for one last shot to send Gibbs out as a winner...

[azbroncfan]

I thought they were in cap hell??

[Ray Finkle]

I thought they were in cap hell??


the chant down here is that Synder is smarter then everyone else and they have great capologist.....

[Mile High Shack]

they were in cap hell until the new CBA and they restructered

basically it sounds like they are using their credit card to make these purchases

evetually they will catch up with them, I mean they'd have to

you can't buy a championship Snyder

[BroncosMT]

Man they are loading up and have a ton of money to do it. I thought they didn't have any money and were OVER the cap. What is all this?

[spdirty]

Unbelievable

[Darkhawk24]

I assume nice signing bonus and back loaded contracts... Snyder has been doing this for years. Does this really surprise anyone anymore?

[Kaylore]

How? Sounds like they're mortgaging their future for this year.

[Ray Finkle]

How? Sounds like they're mortgaging their future for this year.


which leads me to believe that it's Gibbs last year here...

[Needa Pass Rush]

Man they are loading up and have a ton of money to do it. I thought they didn't have any money and were OVER the cap. What is all this?

They are going to cut Portis. Ha!

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

There's some friggin' in the riggin'...

While the NFL labor talks were in flux, who did the Skins cuts? I thought it was only Arrington and that supposedly put them close to the lower cap number, not necessarily under it.

There's something going on. Snyder and the Skins are playing with invisible money. Someone get Jeff Skilling on the phone to explain how they're doing it.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Here's another disturbing rumor out of the Redskins camp...

Thinking of sending Patrick Ramsey and draft picks to the Jets for John Abraham.

How very Steinbrenner of them.

[Mile High Shack]

Here's another disturbing rumor out of the Redskins camp...

Thinking of sending Patrick Ramsey and draft picks to the Jets for John Abraham.

How very Steinbrenner of them.

what draft picks?

last I heard the Jets were going to get a 5th rounder for Patrick Ramsey

Skins have NO first, so Ramsey and what for Abraham?

if they pull this off, it's pretty obvious this is Gibbs last year

[azbroncfan]

How? Sounds like they're mortgaging their future for this year.

They always say that too and never seems to affect them.

[Rascal]

Here's another disturbing rumor out of the Redskins camp...

Thinking of sending Patrick Ramsey and draft picks to the Jets for John Abraham.

How very Steinbrenner of them.

Why in the hell would the Jets want Ramsey?

The guy sucks.

[Traveler]

Here's another disturbing rumor out of the Redskins camp...

Thinking of sending Patrick Ramsey and draft picks to the Jets for John Abraham.

How very Steinbrenner of them.


What picks do they have left? 2nd & 3rd rounders? Gotta contain 2007 picks if this is true. And again, where's the money coming from? Gotta be bogus.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Just throwing out what I've seen on a couple Skins boards.

I doubt it happens, too. But it's funny to see the Skins fans think they can just buy up everyone in free agency.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Considering Taylor will be in Maximum Security by week 5, this is an expensive insurance policy.

[Ratboy]

How in the hell can they afford all these players?

[ludo21]

which leads me to believe that it's Gibbs last year here...


yeah its gotta be. Whatever, in a few years they will be screwed if they continue to backload these contracts.

Skins still wont win the SB next year.

Broncos will! :thumbs:

[fontaine]

How in the hell can they afford all these players?

Restructuring contracts, cutting three players, Brunell took a big paycut, Arrington's cap charge off the books + almost 10 million in new salary cap money from the CBA.

I think this is a GREAT move.

It only means the skins have no money to sign Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maven]

Skins can trade next year's #1, Patrick Ramsey, and a #4 in this year's draft for Abraham. I'll give credit to Snyder. He sure is trying.

[Popps]

Wow, Archuleta... Lloyd, Randel and Fauria in the first TWO DAYS?!

Must suck being in cap trouble.

Oh well, lucky them... they made the playoffs last year and are absolutely cashing in in FA.

Hopefully they won't steal Carter or Abraham from us.

[Edskins_RVA]

Let me help you guys out a little on this...

1. Mainstream sports media was putting out bad information about the Skins being in "cap hell". They definitely were going to be under the gun if the CBA didn't get extended. However, they were ready to restructure 11 contracts and cut 5 players (who were going to be gone anyway), which would have freed up just enough money to get under the cap, make a couple of small moves in FA and sign their draftpicks (what few there are). However, the CBA was extended, which took off the pressure.

2. Keep in mind that the cap was raised to $102m which gave us some room, Lavar left and gave back $4.4m, and we cut those 5 players I mentioned above (saving another $5-7m). Brunell and Portis both restructured their contracts freeing up more $$ (thanks again for Portis by the way - we love him!). Skins are prepared to do more restructures if necessary to free more money as well...

3. Skins know how to structure contracts to maximize our value. After next year all the "dead" money we accumulated under Snyders questionable earlier stewardship (all the high priced FAs) will be gone. Though we still give big contracts, they are structured to spread out the hit over the life of the contract (notice that Lloyd and Randel-El both got 6-7 yr deals). Some are backloaded w/ the knowledge that the player will be cut or restructure before its paid out. This may look like we are mortgaging our future, but it's actually smart planning. Notice how they say we are "mortgaging our future" every year?.. Haven't seen it happen yet..

4. This is not Joe's last year, but he is trying to win a championship this year. Notice how he's not going after every big name FA, just the players we need to get past the 2nd round of the playoffs.. Ha! Joe is bringing in good and relatively young FA's to try and help the team stay strong after he does leave.. That's also why Gregg Williams and now Al Saunders are there. Heir apparents obviously..

5. You guys probably do have a good shot at Carter now. We really wanted him, but obviously he is looking for more $$ than we are willing to spend (funny enough). After these last signings, I doubt we will be able to give him what he wants..

6. Maybe we are making a play for Abraham, since we let Carter go.. I see this maybe playing out - Ramsey, Betts (RB), and a future pick(s) for Abraham. That move would definitely help fill a big hole for us, but many Skins fans are worried about Abraham's attitude and his cost.. It would definitely be a coup, but I'm not sure I'm for it.. Carter would have been better had he been affordable..

Sorry for the ramble, but I keep hearing the same things said and wanted to try and offer some insight. Say what you want, but you can't deny that Snyder is doing all he can to help us win a championship...

[Edskins_RVA]

Final thought..

Archuleta was signed as insurance in case Sean Taylor goes to jail or if Ryan Clark (current starting SS) leaves via FA.. I doubt Taylor gets convicted, so a combo of Taylor and Archuleta is quite nice in my mind.. :thumbs:

[Garcia Bronco]

Final thought..

Archuleta was signed as insurance in case Sean Taylor goes to jail or if Ryan Clark (current starting SS) leaves via FA.. I doubt Taylor gets convicted, so a combo of Taylor and Archuleta is quite nice in my mind.. :thumbs:

you got that right

[ludo21]

ty edskins rva. Good info.

Clears up some of the misnomers we hear.

[Edskins_RVA]

ty edskins rva. Good info.

Clears up some of the misnomers we hear.
No problem! Always love to talk football - especially when it's about the Skins.. :flower:

Maybe we see a Redskins - Broncos rematch this year??:thumbs:

[ludo21]

No problem! Always love to talk football - especially when it's about the Skins.. :flower:

Maybe we see a Redskins - Broncos rematch this year??:thumbs:

I wouldnt mind a rematch in the SB, we all remember last time :cuss:

[Edskins_RVA]

Speaking of rematches.. I heard the Skins may bring back Timmy Smith as a motivational speaker for the RB's... :wiggle:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Speaking of rematches.. I heard the Skins may bring back Timmy Smith as a motivational speaker for the RB's... :wiggle:

Saw him on TV the other day after his court date. He looks more like Warren Sapp now. Must go 350.

[Finger Roll]

I hate saftey's who can't cover. This is a pass happy era and those run stuffing safties should be the thing of the past

[Edskins_RVA]

Saw him on TV the other day after his court date. He looks more like Warren Sapp now. Must go 350.
Poor sap!.. He looked really bad.. I still wonder how he did what he did in that game. Talk about 1 hit wonders! ;D

[Ray Finkle]

so Edskin,
The salary cap info some of us got here came from insiders, not the media....all is not Rosey at Redskins HQ as you paint it to be...

[Edskins_RVA]

I hate saftey's who can't cover. This is a pass happy era and those run stuffing safties should be the thing of the past
I somewhat agree, but then again that's what Sean Taylor (AKA The Hawk) is for.. :~ohyah!: AA is an aggressive hard-hitter, which GW likes in his D..

[Mile High Shack]

so Edskin,
The salary cap info some of us got here came from insiders, not the media....all is not Rosey at Redskins HQ as you paint it to be...

all I know is

backloaded contracts eventually catch up with teams

[Ray Finkle]

all I know is

backloaded contracts eventually catch up with teams


While I don't have the contacts that the insiders do, I do have some buddies that work for local radio stations....there is a nugget of truth about Gibbs....

[Finger Roll]

yeah, Sean Taylor is a great all around safty. Theirs about 3 of them in the league now which is pretty pathetic.

[bronco militia]

holly crap...that's a lot of Jack for a safety...

a very expensive insurance policy

[GonzoLays]

I've said it once and I will say it again. "Cap Hell" is a freaking tool of the man. Only the cheap owners use that term when they don't want to spend the money. San Francisco has been in "Cap Hell" TWICE in the past 7 years and you couldn't name 8 high profile players they have signed. Dan Synder has been spending money like water for the past decade and how many times has his team been in "Cap Hell?" NONE. It does not exsist. It is just away for an owner not to spend money on players and justify it to their fan base.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

6. Maybe we are making a play for Abraham, since we let Carter go.. I see this maybe playing out - Ramsey, Betts (RB), and a future pick(s) for Abraham. That move would definitely help fill a big hole for us, but many Skins fans are worried about Abraham's attitude and his cost.. It would definitely be a coup, but I'm not sure I'm for it.. Carter would have been better had he been affordable..


Is it genetic that all Skins fans make retarded trade proposals? You're trading for a DE in his prime for a worthless QB, a RB who will be a backup and future picks. The Jets were only willing to give up a 5th this year and a pick that **could** become a 3rd next year for Ramsey. He's nowhere near being valuable enough to be the centerpiece of a deal for Ramsey. Start talking '07 1st + more if it's true Denver is willing to give up a 1st this year.

[GonzoLays]

Cold Hard Facts

I'm stealing the following information from Ira Miller's Dec 26 articles that appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle. Since this is not a term paper and I have stated my sources, don't get in a tizzy about plagiarism. All I am trying to do is state the cold hard facts.

Fact # 1 - The 49ers are at the bottom of the NFL in spending money in 2004.
"League salary figures for the 2004 season obtained by The Chronicle show that San Francisco spent less than any other team on players -- a total of $63.6 million to cover salaries and bonuses. That's $19 million under the league average and $3 million less than the next-lowest team payroll."

Fact # 2 - In 2003, the 49ers' payroll was next-to-lowest in the NFL.

"The 49ers' ranking has been significantly lower over the last five years than it was previously. That's no coincidence. Five years ago, Eddie DeBartolo's departure as the owner became official and his sister, Denise DeBartolo York, and her husband, John York, took over the team."


Fact # 3 - John York is spending less than the league average


"Since the 2000 season, the 49ers have paid on average $67.8 million annually in player salaries and bonuses, or about $6.3 million a year below the NFL average."

"During the previous six years, after the salary cap went into effect in 1994 but with Eddie DeBartolo in charge, the 49ers spent an average of $53.4 million a year in salaries and bonuses, or about $3.7 million above the league average."


Fact # 4 - This so called Cap Hell was created by this management team.


1999 and 2000 Cap Hell was because of the old management team. This Cap Hell is because of this management team, under the leadership of Dr. John York.


The team elected to cut players and assign $28 million of dead money to this years cap. The salary cap for this year was $80.582 million per team.

Since they cut Jeff Garcia, the Forty Niners "had to account for about $10 million of signing bonus previously paid to him but not yet counted against the cap."


Fact #5 - Under John York, the Forty Niners are not spending to the cap level.


Fans often do not recognize the difference between actual cash and the cap. Cash is what the teams spend. The salary cap for this year was $80.582 million per team.

"Over the last five years, according to the league's figures, all but eight teams spent more than the cap figure. The 49ers were one of the eight that spent less."

http://www.dumpyork.com/rant_rudedude_0010.html

Ha, I knew it.

[Orange_Beard]

How in the hell can they afford all these players?


Why would they want this guy?

[Taco John]

all I know is

backloaded contracts eventually catch up with teams



All I know is people were saying that about the Redskins 7 years ago.

[ludo21]

All I know is people were saying that about the Redskins 7 years ago.

yeah, but where has all these "all stars" gotten them?

[yavoon]

one thing the redskins suffer from is they're thin. their starting lineups tend to look good but their backups are usually dismal. I wonder how much money snyder spends on scouting, it should be a lot!

[Rascal]

Can somebody make a thread where we post all FA signings?

49'ers and Antonio Bryant agreed to a four year 15 million contract with a 5 million signing bonus.

He is a weak #1 IMO and with Alex Smith as his QB I'll be suprised if he tops 1000 yards.

[ro_50]

I wouldnt mind a rematch in the SB, we all remember last time :cuss:


Please wake me up when that second quarter finishes. I'm waiting for the third quarter to begin.

[WABronco]

Considering Taylor will be in Maximum Security by week 5, this is an expensive insurance policy.

Taylor plays FS, AA plays SS...

[Crushaholic]

what draft picks?

last I heard the Jets were going to get a 5th rounder for Patrick Ramsey

Skins have NO first, so Ramsey and what for Abraham?

if they pull this off, it's pretty obvious this is Gibbs last year

As of now, the Redskins have one 2nd round, one 3rd round, one 5th round, two in the 6th round and one in the 7th round. FA is the only way I really see them upgrading, so they might as well give up the few picks they have...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

so they might as well give up the few picks they have...

Lets see if Sundquist can send them PJ Alexander for the rest of their picks ;D

[Crushaholic]

Lets see if Sundquist can send them PJ Alexander for the rest of their picks ;D

LOL I like the way you think...LOL

[NaptownChief]

Man they are loading up and have a ton of money to do it. I thought they didn't have any money and were OVER the cap. What is all this?



When you have deep pockets and willing to reach into them you have a big advantage. While everyone has the same salary cap to deal with you have a big advantage if you are willing to give a lot more in signing bonus and guaranteed money. As a player is always willing to sign a smaller total deal if it has a lot more up front money and guaranteed money.

As a hypothetical....Assume a player is willing to take a 5 year $30 million deal that pays $6 million per year with no signing bonus. That same player would jump on a 5 year $20 million with a $10 million signing bonus in a heartbeat. While I realize damn few players play out their full contract without getting cut or a renegotiation but if you assume that same player were to play it out the team with the willingness to give more jack up front has an extra $10 million in cap room to spend over that five year period despite getting the same caliber of player. When you do that all the time with lots of players it really starts to add up.

I have never liked the Skins but I do like Snyder because he gives a full effort in trying to win...something that can't be said about a lot of owners.

[Edskins_RVA]

As of now, the Redskins have one 2nd round, one 3rd round, one 5th round, two in the 6th round and one in the 7th round. FA is the only way I really see them upgrading, so they might as well give up the few picks they have...
Bingo!

[Edskins_RVA]

When you have deep pockets and willing to reach into them you have a big advantage. While everyone has the same salary cap to deal with you have a big advantage if you are willing to give a lot more in signing bonus and guaranteed money. As a player is always willing to sign a smaller total deal if it has a lot more up front money and guaranteed money.

As a hypothetical....Assume a player is willing to take a 5 year $30 million deal that pays $6 million per year with no signing bonus. That same player would jump on a 5 year $20 million with a $10 million signing bonus in a heartbeat. While I realize damn few players play out their full contract without getting cut or a renegotiation but if you assume that same player were to play it out the team with the willingness to give more jack up front has an extra $10 million in cap room to spend over that five year period despite getting the same caliber of player. When you do that all the time with lots of players it really starts to add up.

I have never liked the Skins but I do like Snyder because he gives a full effort in trying to win...something that can't be said about a lot of owners.
Exactly! That's one thing I forgot to say in my previous message. The Skins tend to give smaller yearly salaries in exchange for signing/roster bonuses and incentives. This helps keep the yearly "hit" as low as possible.. The only risk is if the player doesn't pan out and your gave them a bunch of guaranteed money.. Keep in mind that we don't spend "frivilously" since Gibbs came back.. Dan learned from his earlier mistakes (trying to buy a championship by signing over the hill vets as if he was playing fantasy football). I reiterate again that all the "dead" money from those early days will be gone after this year...

[Edskins_RVA]

one thing the redskins suffer from is they're thin. their starting lineups tend to look good but their backups are usually dismal. I wonder how much money snyder spends on scouting, it should be a lot!
This is only true about the O & D lines.. That will be addressed via draft I suspect..

[Edskins_RVA]

so Edskin,
The salary cap info some of us got here came from insiders, not the media....all is not Rosey at Redskins HQ as you paint it to be...
Then please explain how the Skins are making these moves in FA.. :angel:

[Edskins_RVA]

Why would they want this guy?
Because he is an aggresive, hard-hitting safety. Exactly what Gregg Williams likes.. He and Taylor will be an excellent tandem!

[Ray Finkle]

Then please explain how the Skins are making these moves in FA.. :angel:


similar to a credit card....except the bump in cash the cap just got made it easier...it helped wipe out the Deon, Smith, and other "mistakes"....The problem with what they are doing now is that spent a lot of money on ARE and Archuleta to be either a 3rd or 4th WR/KR/PR (depending on Patten) and insurance for Taylor when the closest team to Archuleta (Bears) was only offering about 3 mil a year...

[Edskins_RVA]

similar to a credit card....except the bump in cash the cap just got made it easier...it helped wipe out the Deon, Smith, and other "mistakes"....The problem with what they are doing now is that spent a lot of money on ARE and Archuleta to be either a 3rd or 4th WR/KR/PR (depending on Patten) and insurance for Taylor when the closest team to Archuleta (Bears) was only offering about 3 mil a year...
All I have to say in response is why are we supposedly "mortgaging our future" every year, but I have yet to see that result.. Also, how about:

Marcus Washington
Santana Moss
Cornelius Griffin
Joe Salae've
Shawn Springs
Casey Rabach
Clinton Portis
?

What do they have in common? They are excellent FA pickups that Joe has overseen since he took over.. No more Bruce, Deion, Mark Carrier, etc. type of pickups..

[Ray Finkle]

All I have to say in response is why are we supposedly "mortgaging our future" every year, but I have yet to see that result.. Also, how about:

Marcus Washington
Santana Moss
Cornelius Griffin
Joe Salae've
Shawn Springs
Casey Rabach
Clinton Portis
?

What do they have in common? They are excellent FA pickups that Joe has overseen since he took over.. No more Bruce, Deion, Mark Carrier, etc. type of pickups..

Bold were traded for

what will catch up to the skins is trading picks for players....

[Edskins_RVA]

Bold were traded for

what will catch up to the skins is trading picks for players....
True.. (and I knew you were gonna say that :D ) My overall point is that the Skins have had a much better track record recently when it comes to picking up players to help the team. No more Bruce, Deion, Carrier, Stubblefield/Wilkinson type mistakes since Joe has been back..

P.S. Looks like the Skins are ready to lock up Carter as well... Sorry! ;D

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

[Edskins_RVA]

what will catch up to the skins is trading picks for players....
Excellent point! However, Joe is pretty good at finding diamonds in the rough when it comes to undrafter/unknown players.. But I agree that it may be better to groom young talent via the draft.. Then again, the Skins have not always had the best luck with the draft...

[Ray Finkle]

Excellent point! However, Joe is pretty good at finding diamonds in the rough when it comes to undrafter/unknown players.. But I agree that it may be better to groom young talent via the draft.. Then again, the Skins have not always had the best luck with the draft...


that is bugged eye Vinnie's fault...

[bronco militia]

'SKINS GO FROM CAP STRAPPED TO CAP HAPPY

As the Washington Redskins continue to amass new players days after they supposedly were teetering at the edge of cap hell, plenty of folks around the league are scratching their heads.

The 'Skins are spending big again, making a big splash in free agency by reeling in receiver Antwaan Randle El, safety Adam Archuleta, and tight end Christian Fauria. The Redskins also picked up receiver Brandon Lloyd in a trade on Saturday with the 49ers.

Randle El reportedly gets $11.5 million in bonus money, a ridiculously high amount for a guy who'll be No. 3 at best on the depth chart.

Then, on Monday, the 'Skins scalped safety Adam Archuleta, formerly of the Rams, on a deal that we're told is worth $30.18 million over six years. We're told that the package includes $10.585 million in guarantees, making it the richest deal ever signed by an NFL safety.

So where are the supposedly cap-poor Redskins coming up with the cap space to get these deals done?

They freed up $4.4 million a week ago as part of the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent, and they shed several veterans on the eve of free agency to create more room. Likewise, it was reported that they planned to convert $13.5 million in roster bonus payments into guarantees, which would then be spread over five years.

And don't forget about the extra $7.5 million in cap room that popped onto the books as part of the new CBA.

Our guess is that these new deals will leave the 'Skins close to the $102 million ceiling for 2006, and that there will be more tinkering with contracts in order to free up more money for more signings. Eventually, they'll need cap space to sign their incoming rookies.

As our official site miserable guy Dante observed in our newest PFT PodCast, the extent to which teams are overspending in the early stages of 2006 free agency suggests that there really would have been a flood of new money into the market if the uncapped year had come to fruition

[Edskins_RVA]

that is bugged eye Vinnie's fault...
Or Charlie Casserly.. Heath Schuler, Desmond Howard to name a few... :)

[Ray Finkle]

Or Charlie Casserly.. Heath Schuler, Desmond Howard to name a few... :)


Funny you say what a good talent judge Gibbs is, he was the driving force behind recommending Howard....

[Edskins_RVA]

Funny you say what a good talent judge Gibbs is, he was the driving force behind recommending Howard....
For every good choice, there have been some bad ones. However, Desmond was Super Bowl MVP by the end of his career (for GB unfortunately).. :yayaya:

[azbroncfan]

Taylor plays FS, AA plays SS...

Archuleta has 3 INT's in 5 years.

[DBroncos4life]

Archuleta has 3 INT's in 5 years.
Lance Schulters had 4 last year and he has 19 for his career. He would be a much better pick up.