Andre Carter is Denver's No. 1 priority at DE, will host him immediately.

[SoCalBronco]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3596229

denver broncos
Anderson accepts Ravens' job offer
Denver eyes Lewis, Carter as key free-agent targets
By Bill Williamson
Denver Post Staff Writer





Mike Anderson was cut by the Broncos on March 1. (Post file)

Mike Anderson and Jamal Lewis might be trading places.

Sunday night, Anderson - cut by the Broncos on March 1 - agreed to terms on a four-year contract, including a $2 million signing bonus, with the Baltimore Ravens. Anderson's arrival in Baltimore could signify the end of the Lewis era there, although his agent still was talking with the Ravens on Sunday.

Lewis is scheduled to visit Denver today and said he considers the Broncos a viable option, in addition to the Ravens.

It also appears San Francisco defensive end Andre Carter will be heading to Denver today for a visit. Carter - the son of former Broncos defensive tackle Rubin Carter - left Washington on Sunday without a contract.

Denver, with about $7.5 million in available salary cap room, is looking for an impact player on both sides of the ball and has targeted Lewis and Carter. Whether the team lands both will come down to finances.

Lewis is the premier running back on the market after Arizona signed Colts star Edgerrin James on Sunday. Still, there aren't many teams in the market for a free-agent running back. The Ravens gave Lewis a low offer Sunday. The Colts could show interest in Lewis, but for now, Denver appears to be the team with the most interest.

Lewis, 26, has had four 1,000-yard seasons in six years and fits Denver's running system.

The Broncos have designated Carter as their top priority at defensive end, even more than trading for the Jets' John Abraham. Talks with the Jets likely will continue, and Abraham might visit the Broncos this week.

Carter is a stout pass rusher and probably would be less expensive than Abraham. The Redskins were visiting with Abraham today, and the Raiders are expected to be the Broncos' main opposition for Carter. But Carter is said to be intrigued by the Broncos because of family reasons. Carter




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was born in Denver when his father played for the Broncos from 1975-86.
Meanwhile, Anderson will join former Denver teammate Trevor Pryce in Baltimore. Pryce, a veteran defensive end, agreed to terms with the Ravens on Saturday on a deal that pays him $10 million in bonuses. Tight end Jeb Putzier, cut along with Anderson and Pryce, said he will visit Houston on March 20.

Putzier likely will sign with the Texans, which would reunite him with Gary Kubiak, the Broncos' former offensive coordinator who is entering his first season as Houston's head coach.

Joining the Ravens gives Anderson a chance for another 1,000-yard season, said his agent, Peter Schaffer.

"Mike is going to a team that loves to run the ball," Schaffer said. "It's a great situation for him."

Among the receivers Denver might look at are David Givens, who was part of the Patriots' championship teams, and Brian Finneran of the Atlanta Falcons, but both are talking to other teams.

One tight end Denver could look at is the Jets' Chris Baker, but Denver might wait until the draft to address that position.

If Miami cuts quarterback Gus Frerotte, Denver and St. Louis might show interest. Frerotte is a former Broncos backup.

Bill Williamson can be reached at 303-820-5450 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com.

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Get a deal done quickly with Carter so Abe doesnt even have to come over.

[Clockwork Orange]

The Broncos have designated Carter as their top priority at defensive end, even more than trading for the Jets' John Abraham

^5 :pray:

[SoCalBronco]

One tight end Denver could look at is the Jets' Chris Baker, but Denver might wait until the draft to address that position.



http://www.draftshowcase.com/MarcedesLewis2.jpg

http://www.cnnsi.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/12/uga.auburn.mm/p1_pope_ap.jpg

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041016/041016_notredame_hmed.hmedium.jpg

[SoCalBronco]

Oh Man, if we can snag Carter and keep all our picks......**** yeah!!

[Clockwork Orange]

http://www.cnnsi.com/2004/football/ncaa/11/12/uga.auburn.mm/p1_pope_ap.jpg

This one looks good to me. :thumbsup:

I'd rather the Broncos address the TE situation in the draft as opposed to free agency. This draft is deep with quality TE's.

[Clockwork Orange]

Oh Man, if we can snag Carter and keep all our picks......**** yeah!!

I'm with you 1000% on this.

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/pipexdsl/o/aouq09/getcarter/pics/flyer.JPG

[NFLBRONCO]

I must say if we land Carter and Lewis I'd put TE high on our list for sure.

[SoCalBronco]

There's no excuse not to get this done. They are apparently willing to give Abe a ****load of money, so money shouldnt be an issue since Carter will be less costly. I'll be furious if he has to take even another trip.

[NFLBRONCO]

There's no excuse not to get this done. They are apparently willing to give Abe a ****load of money, so money shouldnt be an issue since Carter will be less costly. I'll be furious if he has to take even another trip.

I agree 100%

[Clockwork Orange]

There's no excuse not to get this done. They are apparently willing to give Abe a ****load of money, so money shouldnt be an issue since Carter will be less costly. I'll be furious if he has to take even another trip.

No kidding. Carter is a Denver native, his father was a Bronco and Shanahan has wanted him forever. There's no reason at all he should leave town without signing a contract. This is a perfect fit.

[watermock]

I know Shanahan liked Carter out of college, he's got Denver ties, we need a RDE, it's a no brainer. He will also cost less and might just want to get the hell out of funky town and play for a winner.

[Crushaholic]

Come on down, Andre Carter...:Broncos:

[SoCalBronco]

No kidding. Carter is a Denver native, his father was a Bronco and Shanahan has wanted him forever. There's no reason at all he should leave town without signing a contract. This is a perfect fit.

Yep and the article said he was "intrigued" by the thought of playing for us for those familial reasons.

Shanny, dont **** this up!!!!!

[Play2win]

Carter+Lewis+Pope= ;D

[Clockwork Orange]

I know Shanahan liked Carter out of college

Yep. Shanahan wanted to trade up for him when the 49ers snagged him.

Now's the time to make up for it. :yep:

[NFLBRONCO]

If we land Carter and Lewis does this mean we do trade up for vernon davis

[watermock]

The Jury returns a verdict immediately...Carter will be incarcerated at Dove Valley for a period of not less than 5 years.

[SoCalBronco]

The only complication I can see is that Carter and Lewis are basically battling over the same money since we are less than 10 million under the cap and about half of that, maybe a little less is going to be used for the rookie pool.

If thats the case, **** Jamal.

[Clockwork Orange]

The only complication I can see is that Carter and Lewis are basically battling over the same money since we are less than 10 million under the cap and about half of that, maybe a little less is going to be used for the rookie pool.

If thats the case, **** Jamal.

They can make it work. If Washington can squeeze all these guys under their cap, we can get these two and more. The Broncos have proven to be pretty adept at that over the years. :wiggle:

[Play2win]

If we land Carter and Lewis does this mean we do trade up for vernon davis
POPE + DT...

Sinorice Moss...

Cover Safety...

[NFLBRONCO]

The only complication I can see is that Carter and Lewis are basically battling over the same money since we are less than 10 million under the cap and about half of that, maybe a little less is going to be used for the rookie pool.

If thats the case, **** Jamal.


We can get RB at 22

[SoCalBronco]

If we get both Carter and Lewis, this would be solid:

22. Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope
29. Claude Wroten
2. Darnell Bing
Everything else is gravy.

[watermock]

This year there actually seems to be a "plan". I simply don't see the need for Lewis. Who knows. Carter won't leave Denver w/o a contract IMO.

[Play2win]

If we get both Carter and Lewis, this would be solid:

22. Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope
29. Claude Wroten
2. Darnell Bing
Everything else is gravy.
Would love that, except if we could get more of a COVER safety than BING...

I know, I know, MORE IRONY...

[GreatBronco16]

This is great news. I hope to hear something before work tomorrow evening.

[Kaylore]

Oh Man, if we can snag Carter and keep all our picks......**** yeah!!
LOL Well that sums everything up pretty well.

[Clockwork Orange]

If we get both Carter and Lewis, this would be solid:

22. Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope
29. Claude Wroten
2. Darnell Bing
Everything else is gravy.

I'd go something like this.

22. Mathias Kiwanuka-Let him work in the rotation while the coaches refine his game. Get him in on passing downs while he better learns his trade. Pair him with Carter in a year and we'll have a pair of pass rushers who'll give offenses fits.

29. Marcedes Lewis-Meet our new red zone target. I hope the kid is dedicated to becoming a solid blocker.

[Lestat]

Lewis or Pope is fine with me, Lewis goes up & gets it like no other TE in the draft(well aside from Davis) but Pope will be a fiend, and jake can't miss a big 6-8 261 lb target with 4.6 speed

[watermock]

Pretty lively thread for the middle of the night. I'm pumped up for next year allready. We have our house in order and sitting pretty IMO. Nice training facilities, new stadium, best owner, coach and fans in the NFL. We have a new CBA, players want to come here. I'm not fretting about Pryce or MA at all. Funny we seem to need a TE and DE when we had like 25 of them early last year. Wheat from the chaf...wheat from the chaf.

Looks like we are going for quality over quanity as well.

[Tha rock]

the raiders are going to meet with him to.

[TheManeMan]

They better not let him get on a plane out of Denver without a contract...

[Kaylore]

the raiders are going to meet with him to.
Yeah they will. Twice a year for the next several years. And they're going to hate it. Every time.

[watermock]

I hope his agent doesn't find this thread with all the wood here.

I think we are getting hungry for a signing other than our vets. I do smell something cooking on the stove tho.

[eddie mac]

RMN reporting that we've $4.75m in cap room to fit the likes of Carter and Lewis in, that already shows the deduction of the $3m or so set aside for the rookie pool.

[watermock]

This is like the incredible shrinking woman movie.

[meangene]

Carter+Lewis+Pope= ;D

Carter+Givens+Pope = :approve:

[OrangeShadow]

how good is carter? i dont really know much about him

[watermock]

how good is carter? i dont really know much about him

Just below elite IMO...son of Rubin Carter of the Broncos. It's hard to measure him as he was on horrible SF teams the last two year, which adds to our favor besides Daddy. With Big Money next to him, he could do great things.

[HEAV]

Damn!

Looks like Bill W has been reading my posts! I could sue for theft!

[kent156]

so someone give me a quick salary cap lesson every type of bonus count towards the cap right?

[broncohaven]

We had better get Carter signed by this afternoon. Like it's been said, it's a perfect fit for both sides. It will give us a solid every down DE who can get to the passer, and allow us to keep both firsts.

I don't like the idea of taking a TE in the first. Unless we went all out and traded both firsts for Vernon Davis. He's the only TE I think who is legit round 1 material. Pope is huge, but not a natural pass catcher. Lewis doesn't block well at all, and is not quick or fast. He has great hands, but I don't think he fits Denver at all, and he'd be a reach in the first.

Fasano or Klopfenstein would be much greater value in the 2nd. I wouldn't mind making a huge move for Davis. He's a TE like there's never been in the NFL, and with Denver's ability to field solid teams every year we won't have many chances to get a marquis player in the draft because we always draft in the 20s.

If we kept both I would go.
22-Manny Lawson, DE- An amazing athlete with rare ability...Has outstanding speed and quickness with a great burst...Extremely explosive...Tremendous pass rusher off the edge...Good agility and can drop into coverage...Smart player with good instincts...Good tackler...Makes plays in space...Productive and can be very disruptive...Vertical jump is higher than the device used to measure that stat...Has a lot of upside.

OR

Kamerion Wimbley DE- Tremendous natural athlete...Fast and very quick with a burst...Can wreak havoc rushing the passer off the edge...Does an excellent job in pursuit and can close on the ball...Changes directions well...Very productive and stood out on a talented defense...Team player with top intangibles...Is also an excellent special teams prospect...Still has a lot of upside and has not yet reached his full potential.

At #29 I would take Joseph Addai and leave Jamal Lewis alone.

Addai- Has excellent timed speed with quick feet and a burst...Outstanding receiver out of the backfield...Runs hard and with power...Strong and can slip tacklers...Patient runner with good balance...Hits the hole and runs north / south...Also a very good blocker...Was always productive and made the most of his chances...Hard worker and team leader with top intangibles...Still has a lot of upside and potential.

[watermock]

so someone give me a quick salary cap lesson every type of bonus count towards the cap right?

We have several capologists but it's like reading martian.

Signing Bonus can be prorated (spread out) to the life of the contract. I'm not going to get in the 2% rule, I don't even know if it exists.

There are also things called "roster bonus" and accelerators and voidings. I think I could pass the Bar before understanding the cap. Washington wasn't supposed to be able to field a team and they are bringing in FA's.

Trust me, there is no such thing as a "quick salary cap lesson" when we have top men on it and still can't figure it out.

Evidently, after our signings and our rookie pool is taken out, i guess we have about 5 million left, but I don't think anyone knows honestly but Sundquist who I vision as having a green office lamp on his desk and a visor and reading glasses.

Hmmm...this got misplaced somehow.

[OrangeShadow]

i agree with haven. im high on lawson and i want us to leave lewis the **** alone

[clint7]

So Carter and Lewis have visits for today, correct? Abraham later this week, correct? Anyone else I'm missing...or are my dates incorrect?

[watermock]

I'm not interested in Abraham's price or Lewis' history.

Sign Carter and lets go to the draft.

[Ratboy]

Damn!

Looks like Bill W has been reading my posts! I could sue for theft!
Heav, If we do sign Carter.. Could we still make a run at Abraham?

[-Slap-]

I'm with you 1000% on this.

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/pipexdsl/o/aouq09/getcarter/pics/flyer.JPG
Thumbs way up for using the Michael Caine version.

:thumbsup:

[-Slap-]

This is the worst I've wanted us to sign a particular player in a long long time.

http://www.coloradomasterchess.com/RMNews/Rubin%20Carter.jpg http://members.toast.net/rmstevens/slang/westflorida/carterandregu.jpg

[Drek]

Good to hear that the FO is on the same page as I am, Carter is our top priority. Still young at 26, proven that he can produce at the NFL level, and should be fairly cheap. Plus he doesn't cost us a 1st rounder. All you Denver locals gotta keep him in-state until Shanny has him signed. Close down the airports, trainstations and bus terminals!

[watermock]

Lasso that Bull! Ha!

Then get a muzzle for TO.

[Drek]

Heav, If we do sign Carter.. Could we still make a run at Abraham?
Why in hell would we do that? Carter needs to be a weak side rusher and we've already got Engelberger, Brown, and Ekuban on contracts. If we were to add Abraham as well as Carter they'd be directly competing for time. Thats not even going into how much Abraham would cost, or the 1st it'd take to get it done.

[watermock]

Abraham wouldn't take a first in a trade (it can be negotiated, it's not in stone for a first), but I'm not sold on him for the price. I think Carter is the right move tho.

No way in hell we get both Carter and Abe. No way.

[fontaine]

Abraham wouldn't take a first in a trade (it can be negotiated, it's not in stone for a first), but I'm not sold on him for the price. I think Carter is the right move tho.

There are three/four other teams interested in Abraham.

One of them will cough up a first since good pass rushers are so hard to find.

[Mediator12]

Well, after spending all weekend watching the melee of FA this is the news I was hoping to get. Carter will get good enough money to come to Denver and they will include some later bonuses in a seven year deal to escalate his contract negotiations if he becomes an elite DE over the next two years. Guarantees that force restructure in Higher Cap dollar years.

Jamal Lewis, hate what he did, But hope he has a second chance to shine option with this offense. As bpc said, his style, along with Dayne's would make the Running game that much more effective especially in the second half. This draft is Crazy deep at TE and as much as I hate to see Jeb go, the FO was very shrewd to get rid of him with this class in the draft. They sign these two and they are truly able to go best player available in a really deep draft weighted towards TE's and DL which will become the two areas of greatest need.

Safety is a need, but can always be addressed in round two or three as there are several excellent cover safeties available that deep this year.

[Rascal]

If we get both Carter and Lewis, this would be solid:

22. Marcedes Lewis or Leonard Pope
29. Claude Wroten
2. Darnell Bing
Everything else is gravy.

I'd rather use our fourth and second to move up and get Ko Simpson.

But I wouldn't be disappointed with that either.

Be one of the best offseason's ever.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Well, after spending all weekend watching the melee of FA this is the news I was hoping to get. Carter will get good enough money to come to Denver and they will include some later bonuses in a seven year deal to escalate his contract negotiations if he becomes an elite DE over the next two years. Guarantees that force restructure in Higher Cap dollar years.

Jamal Lewis, hate what he did, But hope he has a second chance to shine option with this offense. As bpc said, his style, along with Dayne's would make the Running game that much more effective especially in the second half. This draft is Crazy deep at TE and as much as I hate to see Jeb go, the FO was very shrewd to get rid of him with this class in the draft. They sign these two and they are truly able to go best player available in a really deep draft weighted towards TE's and DL which will become the two areas of greatest need.

Safety is a need, but can always be addressed in round two or three as there are several excellent cover safeties available that deep this year.

So Mediator,

How about a run down from the combine on some of the guys you liked.

[Tha rock]

i hope my raiders will grab him!!

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Why are you guys going ape**** over Carter? Looks like a flash-in-the-pan bust to me.

[rbackfactory80]

Why are you guys going ape**** over Carter? Looks like a flash-in-the-pan bust to me.

For once i agree with you, but I would not go as far as to call him a bust.

[Clockwork Orange]

Why are you guys going ape**** over Carter? Looks like a flash-in-the-pan bust to me.

You've shown time and again that your player assessments are the equivalent of a blindfolded monkey throwing darts.

Carter is a solid pass rusher and an upgrade over anything we had at the position last year.

While we're talking, why are you guys going after Will Allen?

[Lidderer]

Why are you guys going ape**** over Carter? Looks like a flash-in-the-pan bust to me.

It's difficult to register sacks when teams only throw in the first quarter

[ludo21]

i would love to get a pure rusher like Carter

Also grabbing another DL with 22, and Lewis or Pope at 29, or the other way around.

Lets hope it gets done!

[clint7]

It's difficult to register sacks when teams only throw in the first quarter

Ha! LOL

[Headless Hessian Rider]

Why are you guys going ape**** over Carter? Looks like a flash-in-the-pan bust to me.

By the way ... any signings by the queefs yet???? :curtsey:


Seems nobody want to play there :giggle: :giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

You've shown time and again that your player assessments are the equivalent of a blindfolded monkey throwing darts.

Carter is a solid pass rusher and an upgrade over anything we had at the position last year.

While we're talking, why are you guys going after Will Allen?

Beats me. He sucks.

[Edskins_RVA]

Sorry guys, looks like Skins are getting Carter also.. :thanku:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

[Kaylore]

Sorry guys, looks like Skins are getting Carter also.. :thanku:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482
That link must be wrong because it doesn't say anything about you getting Carter.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Sorry guys, looks like Skins are getting Carter also.. :thanku:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

Old story - out of date, but you can spend a few million on Todd Collins. He's fun at closing time at the bars.

[ludo21]

Sorry guys, looks like Skins are getting Carter also.. :thanku:

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482


DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[DBroncos4life]

I hope the CBA gets voided two years from now.

[Kaylore]

DANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
You should click and read links before you get upset about something. He's BSing.

[Edskins_RVA]

Old story - out of date, but you can spend a few million on Todd Collins. He's fun at closing time at the bars. Could be.. I just got back a little while ago.. A Skin can dream can't he? :)

[Deacon Blue]

Could be.. I just got back in a little while ago.. A Skin can dream can't he? :)
Didn't he just leave Washington with no deal though?

[Edskins_RVA]

Didn't he just leave Washington with no deal though?
Yes he did.. I also notice the date on that, but the Skins fans on HR.com are talking like it's a done deal.. I need to look into this more as I could have just homered up big time! :wiggle:

[ludo21]

You should click and read links before you get upset about something. He's BSing.

"The Redskins are at it again, and this makes the second defensive signing. Defensive end/outside linebacker Andre Carter is schedule to fly to Washington and sign his brand new six-year, approximately $30 million contract. "

unless it doesnt happen, but it all sounds but locked up.

edit: date is outdated, wow, im dumb... still with that much money on the table he may go back.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

If that happens, I will eat my own turd.

There is NO WAY there's any money for Washington to do that. And I don't want to hear the BS about cuts/restructuring. It's not fiscally possible, even with the new CBA.

[Edskins_RVA]

You should click and read links before you get upset about something. He's BSing.
Kaylore - I can't get no luv, homey?!! ;D

[DBroncos4life]

"The Redskins are at it again, and this makes the second defensive signing. Defensive end/outside linebacker Andre Carter is schedule to fly to Washington and sign his brand new six-year, approximately $30 million contract. "

unless it doesnt happen, but it all sounds but locked up.

edit: date is outdated, wow, im dumb... still with that much money on the table he may go back.
why he won't get to see it.

[Edskins_RVA]

If that happens, I will eat my own turd.

There is NO WAY there's any money for Washington to do that. And I don't want to hear the BS about cuts/restructuring. It's not fiscally possible, even with the new CBA.
Ok, we'll see... :) Despite your skepticism, we are somewhere between $12-15m under the cap..

[Mile High Shack]

Ok, we'll see... :) Despite your skepticism, we are somewhere between $12-15m under the cap..

how?

with all these new signings

that's impossible

[NFLBRONCO]

Ok, we'll see... :) Despite your skepticism, we are somewhere between $12-15m under the cap..


Washington is NFL's version of the Yankee's.

[DBroncos4life]

how?

with all these new signings

that's impossible
I would have to agree, unless they are vet min first year type things, but the cap isn't going up by 70 mill next year.

[Edskins_RVA]

how?

with all these new signings

that's impossible First year salaries will be very low.. More will be given in signing/roster bonuses and incentives. Notice the contracts are for 6-7 years. The hit can be spread over the life of the contract. Each of these pickups, I would guess, are counting no more than $2.5m against the cap this year..

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Even so, where was Washington before the new agreement? If they were under it, it was only by a few million.

Hmmm...every contract at 6yr-30million? There's something in that.

[Edskins_RVA]

After DE, the Skins will prob be done in FA.. They will then hold back, look for scraps and depth, and then finish with what's left of their draft picks.. It can be done! Otherwise we wouldn't be talking about it, would we? ^5

[Mile High Shack]

First year salaries will be very low.. More will be given in signing/roster bonuses and incentives. Notice the contracts are for 6-7 years. The hit can be spread over the life of the contract. Each of these pickups, I would guess, are counting no more than $2.5m against the cap this year..

which is great and all

but if you were only 10 million under to begin with or so, assuming what I read was true, then how do you still have 12 million left

that means you had more like 25 million or so in cap room

I mean that's great and all, but it's like a credit card, eventually the backloaded deals come to pay

[WaffleBoy]

Why not home grown your talent instead of looking for free agents? It worked for a team in West Penn. :thumbsup:

The Boy Wonder :super:

[Edskins_RVA]

Even so, where was Washington before the new agreement? If they were under it, it was only by a few million.

Hmmm...every contract at 6yr-30million? There's something in that.
Don't forget some of that will be backloaded. By that time, they will be cut or restructure before the hit becomes too large..

Keep in mind that Dan Snyder was a billionaire by the time he reached his 30's. He didn't come from money and earned everything he got. The man knows business and is not afraid to spend money (ie bonus money to reduce cap hit) to improve his team.. Can't say that for all the owners..

[elsid13]

Best line today about the signing in Ashburn, was from Brandon Lloyd. When John Thompson asked him about how other/outside players thought about playing for the Redskins, Lloyd replied "Money, you're going to paid lots of money to play for them"

[DBroncos4life]

which is great and all

but if you were only 10 million under to begin with or so, assuming what I read was true, then how do you still have 12 million left

that means you had more like 25 million or so in cap room

I mean that's great and all, but it's like a credit card, eventually the backloaded deals come to pay
If thats the case the Packers and the Browns have to be 50 mill under the cap

[Edskins_RVA]

which is great and all

but if you were only 10 million under to begin with or so, assuming what I read was true, then how do you still have 12 million left

that means you had more like 25 million or so in cap room

I mean that's great and all, but it's like a credit card, eventually the backloaded deals come to pay
Sorry I was unclear.. We are somewhere between $12-15m under the cap. Lloyd, Randel-El, Archuleta, & maybe Carter will count around $2.5m each against the cap this year. Fauria is taking Robert Royals (left for the Bills in FA) salary, so that is a wash. We should be around $2-3m under after signing the above players... We're almost, if not, done..

[Kaylore]

Kaylore - I can't get no luv, homey?!! ;D
It's their fault for believing it.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Still waiting for this to be confirmed...the Schefter was just an observation from Sunday. I have a hard time believing Carter would just go with the Skins on a day where he's supposed to visit Denver - the place where his dad played before him.

I'll wait until I see it somewhere reputable.

[Kaylore]

Still waiting for this to be confirmed...the Schefter was just an observation from Sunday. I have a hard time believing Carter would just go with the Skins on a day where he's supposed to visit Denver - the place where his dad played before him.

I'll wait until I see it somewhere reputable.
It's not true. He hasn't signed with Washington. Read the tread again. I called him out and admited it was just wishful thinking.

[SpringStein]

Carter has signed with Skins. :(

[Edskins_RVA]

Still waiting for this to be confirmed...the Schefter was just an observation from Sunday. I have a hard time believing Carter would just go with the Skins on a day where he's supposed to visit Denver - the place where his dad played before him.

I'll wait until I see it somewhere reputable.
Smart thing to do.. As I admitted, I may have made a mistake.. I saw it on the Skins board and was probably too quick to post.. However, they are all acting like there is more to it.. I guess we'll see..

P.S. We're about to deal Ramsey, which gives us close to another $2m in cap... :wiggle:

[Mile High Shack]

Carter has signed with Skins. :(

your ****ting me?

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Someone cover me - I'm going to check the ESPN boards...wish me luck

[SpringStein]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

by Shef

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Wait - aren't the Redskins rolling out Brunell at QB again?

[Mile High Shack]

Wait - aren't the Redskins rolling out Brunell at QB again?

I guess in all their excitement, they forgot to upgrade the #1 important position

[-Slap-]

goddamnit

[Edskins_RVA]

Wait - aren't the Redskins rolling out Brunell at QB again?
Until he gets injured or falters.. Jason Campbell is waiting in the wings.. Todd Collins is just insurance because he knows Saunder's system..

[Play2win]

So 2 guys Were "On the Plane" to see us...

And they BOTH signed before even checking us out...

WTF is up with THAT?!?

[Edskins_RVA]

So 2 guys Were "On the Plane" to see us...

And they BOTH signed before even checking us out...

WTF is up with THAT?!?
Let's just say the Skins are very... persuasive.. :yayaya:

[TheManeMan]

GEEZ...damn these Redskins...

[Kaylore]

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

by Shef
ROFL! Ok, now its true. I don't understand why I'd sign for a team that promised to pay me all this money when I knew that they were going to have to cut me or ask me to restructure in one year, but whatever.

[Kaylore]

GEEZ...damn these Redskins...
So did they sign them all for like 1 million dollars a year their first five years and then eleventy billion their sixth?

[Edskins_RVA]

ROFL! Ok, now its true. I don't understand why I'd sign for a team that promised to pay me all this money when I knew that they were going to have to cut me or ask me to restructure in one year, but whatever.
Kay! It's a 6 year deal! He's good until year 4-5.. These guys want the guaranteed money and they want to play for a team who has a chance to do something.. We did make the playoffs last year..

[Kaylore]

Let's just say the Skins are very... persuasive.. :yayaya:
I officially hate your team. I am going to root for every team you play against (except for the Cowboys.)

[Edskins_RVA]

So did they sign them all for like 1 million dollars a year their first five years and then eleventy billion their sixth?
They keep the salaries low and make up the difference in bonus money, which can be spread acorss the life of the contract..

[Mile High Shack]

So did they sign them all for like 1 million dollars a year their first five years and then eleventy billion their sixth?

it has to be

I just don't get it

well I think this proves that this is Gibbs last year before Williams takes over

[Edskins_RVA]

I officially hate your team. I am going to root for every team you play against (except for the Cowboys.)
I understand!! You're still my boy though.. At least you won't root for the 'girls! ;D

[ColoradoBuff]

Kay! It's a 6 year deal! He's good until year 4-5.. These guys want the guaranteed money and they want to play for a team who has a chance to do something.. We did make the playoffs last year..


You made the playoffs last year in a very weak conference. Good luck making it again this year!LOL Don't see the Eagles doing what they did last year. Look out for the Cardinals! All those players and no where to go in the post-season!

[Mile High Shack]

They keep the salaries low and make up the difference in bonus money, which can be spread acorss the life of the contract..

duh

we know how salary cap and signing bonuses work

but again

eventually you have to pay the piper

[Kaylore]

Now watch: Shanahan is going to give the Jets a first and throw the rest of our money at John Abraham. I'm going to shoot myself if that happens.

[Edskins_RVA]

duh

we know how salary cap and signing bonuses work

but again

eventually you have to pay the piper
I was just answering the question.. Sorry..

[eddie mac]

Kay! It's a 6 year deal! He's good until year 4-5.. These guys want the guaranteed money and they want to play for a team who has a chance to do something.. We did make the playoffs last year..

But with the high signing bonuses averaging $10m you're talking a minimum cap hit of $2.5m a piece for all 4. That's $10m in cap space which you didn't have 3-4 days ago.

[eddie mac]

Now watch: Shanahan is going to give the Jets a first and throw the rest of our money at John Abraham. I'm going to shoot myself if that happens.

Go clean your gun bro.

[bronco militia]

But with the high signing bonuses averaging $10m you're talking a minimum cap hit of $2.5m a piece for all 4. That's $10m in cap space which you didn't have 3-4 days ago.


there's no 30% rule anymore

[BroncoInferno]

Now watch: Shanahan is going to give the Jets a first and throw the rest of our money at John Abraham. I'm going to shoot myself if that happens.

Why is landing a proven 10-12 sack guy in exchange for a player who more than likely won't have the same impact a tradegy of such epic porportions?

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I still want to see the official release before I believe it.

Why would the dude cancel a flight to at least VISIT another team. I mean, you get wined and dined on the visits. Why cancel to sign with the scourge known as the Redskins?

[Kaylore]

Why is landing a proven 10-12 sack guy in exchange for a player who more than likely won't have the same impact a tradegy of such epic porportions?
Because he takes plays off. He takes games off! He'd sit out if he had a cold sore.

[Edskins_RVA]

Some more info to back what I was saying earlier..

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'SKINS GO FROM CAP STRAPPED TO CAP HAPPY

As the Washington Redskins continue to amass new players days after they supposedly were teetering at the edge of cap hell, plenty of folks around the league are scratching their heads.

The 'Skins are spending big again, making a big splash in free agency by reeling in receiver Antwaan Randle El, safety Adam Archuleta, and tight end Christian Fauria. The Redskins also picked up receiver Brandon Lloyd in a trade on Saturday with the 49ers.

Randle El reportedly gets $11.5 million in bonus money, a ridiculously high amount for a guy who'll be No. 3 at best on the depth chart.

Then, on Monday, the 'Skins scalped safety Adam Archuleta, formerly of the Rams, on a deal that we're told is worth $30.18 million over six years. We're told that the package includes $10.585 million in guarantees, making it the richest deal ever signed by an NFL safety.

So where are the supposedly cap-poor Redskins coming up with the cap space to get these deals done?

They freed up $4.4 million a week ago as part of the deal that made linebacker LaVar Arrington a free agent, and they shed several veterans on the eve of free agency to create more room. Likewise, it was reported that they planned to convert $13.5 million in roster bonus payments into guarantees, which would then be spread over five years.

And don't forget about the extra $7.5 million in cap room that popped onto the books as part of the new CBA.

Our guess is that these new deals will leave the 'Skins close to the $102 million ceiling for 2006, and that there will be more tinkering with contracts in order to free up more money for more signings. Eventually, they'll need cap space to sign their incoming rookies.

As our official site miserable guy Dante observed in our newest PFT PodCast, the extent to which teams are overspending in the early stages of 2006 free agency suggests that there really would have been a flood of new money into the market if the uncapped year had come to fruition

[rbackfactory80]

Why is landing a proven 10-12 sack guy in exchange for a player who more than likely won't have the same impact a tradegy of such epic porportions?

Who cares you know. If he is signed people around here will be singing a different tune.

[Edskins_RVA]

But with the high signing bonuses averaging $10m you're talking a minimum cap hit of $2.5m a piece for all 4. That's $10m in cap space which you didn't have 3-4 days ago.
CBA was extended, Lavar and 5 other vets release, some big contracts restructured = More $$

[BroncoInferno]

Because he takes plays off. He takes games off! He'd sit out if he had a cold sore.

That is a myth. He sat out the playoff game when the team doctor said he could play, but several other doctors not employed by the team told him he should not even be walking, let alone running into 320 pound men. You don't produce the way he has in his career without a striong competitive spirit. Guys can't coast on talent alone int he NFL. There are more talented players than Abraham with only half the production.

[Kaylore]

That is a myth. He sat out the playoff game when the team doctor said he could play, but several other doctors not employed by the team told him he should not even be walking, let alone running into 320 pound men. You don't produce the way he has in his career without a striong competitive spirit. Guys can't coast on talent alone int he NFL. There are more talented players than Abraham with only half the production.
I know several Doctors who believe that walking on an injury is extremely dangerous. For everyone of those there is a football trainer who'll tell you to take some Aspirin and deal with it.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

http://www.czarnyfamily.com/Glory.jpg

Oh. My. God.

[Edskins_RVA]

http://www.czarnyfamily.com/Glory.jpg

Oh. My. God.
LOL - I know that's funny, but's actually a good guy and knowledgable football fan.. He's a good writer/poster over at HR.com..

[ColoradoBuff]

We could still see the Skins go after Abe. Wasn't there a deal in the works with the Skins sending Ramsey, Betts and some future draft choices for Abe.? IF that happens, someone needs to look into the Skins cap management. There is something wrong with that!

[Edskins_RVA]

We could still see the Skins go after Abe. Wasn't there a deal in the works with the Skins sending Ramsey, Betts and some future draft choices for Abe.? IF that happens, someone needs to look into the Skins cap management. There is something wrong with that!
That won't happen now that we got Carter.. That's who we wanted all along. Abe was just a fall-back option.. We'll probably just get a draft pick back for Ramsey now..

[Mile High Shack]

That won't happen now that we got Carter.. That's who we wanted all along. Abe was just a fall-back option.. We'll probably just get a draft pick back for Ramsey now..

yeah, don't go busting your cap with that 5th rounder you'll get for it

[rbackfactory80]

We could still see the Skins go after Abe. Wasn't there a deal in the works with the Skins sending Ramsey, Betts and some future draft choices for Abe.? IF that happens, someone needs to look into the Skins cap management. There is something wrong with that!

I am sure there is someway they could just slip him a couple of briefcases of money under the table and nobody would know about it.

[Edskins_RVA]

yeah, don't go busting your cap with that 5th rounder you'll get for it
:giggle: - Just getting back some of what we are giving away.. But JoeG is good at spotting gems in that 2nd day draft. If nothing else, it will be help for depth..

[BroncoInferno]

I know several Doctors who believe that walking on an injury is extremely dangerous. For everyone of those there is a football trainer who'll tell you to take some Aspirin and deal with it.

To me, you look at his career at look for other instances that cooborate the idea that he takes games off. Since there are none, it's fair to assume that they were trying to rush him back. But if others are biased, fine, thankfully Shanny isn't so quick to judge. Abraham will make this team better, period.

[rbackfactory80]

To me, you look at his career at look for other instances that cooborate the idea that he takes games off. Since there are none, it's fair to assume that they were trying to rush him back. But if others are biased, fine, thankfully Shanny isn't so quick to judge. Abraham will make this team better, period.

Amen

[extralife]

For a first round pick and a giant contract, he damn well better make us "better." The issue is whether or not he's worth all that. Most people would agree that answer is an emphatic "no."

[BroncoInferno]

For a first round pick and a giant contract, he damn well better make us "better." The issue is whether or not he's worth all that. Most people would agree that answer is an emphatic "no."

I see. It's totally illogical to trade a pick that has a 50% (maybe worse) chance of being a bust in return for a proven commodity who you know will improve one of your weaker areas. I can see prefering the conservative approach of taken your chance on a cheaper, younger player, but to act like Abraham isn't worth it is plain ridiculous.

[GonzoLays]

Hopefully SoCalBronco hasn't killed himself yet. Can we get a suicide watch going? Don't do it bro!

[broncosteven]

Well I hope they pull off the trade for Abrahams if that is what they really want to do soon. Otherwise they are just yanking their own chain & there will not be any elite talent left. We will have to take the Draft option. I for one don't think a DE picked at 22 or 29 is going to be as good as JA.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

I kinda want to see the Skins get Abraham, too. If nothing else, for the sheer "Knicks" factor.