Sopranos Season 6 discussion thread

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Can't f'ing wait!!!!!!!!

[TheManeMan]

I'm TiVo'ing it so I can play in the poker tourney...probably watch it after I watch the All New Family Guy tonight...

[Pezman]

Let it be said here, that the first person to post a spoiler before 9pm is gonna get a ban, a wedgie and be forced to sleep with a mullet-headed Chiefs chick and Raider twit...

[illbroncsfn]

been waiting almost two years for tonight......

[TheManeMan]

Let it be said here, that the first person to post a spoiler before 9pm is gonna get a ban, a wedgie and be forced to sleep with a mullet-headed Chiefs chick and Raider twit...

I 2nd that notion Pez...:thumbs:

[baja]

I very thankful you made this thread I wouldhve missed the first run- rearanging my plans for tonight....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I've never seen more than 5 minutes of any episode. I'll be switching back and forth between "America's Best Beaches" and the "Broncos and Chargers".

[baja]

I've never seen more than 5 minutes of any episode. I'll be switching back and forth between "America's Best Beaches" and the "Broncos and Chargers".

Sopranos it's good television, a rare thing...

[Deacon Blue]

I started renting the whole series a few months ago. I love it now.

Its a shame I can't watch the new episdes though, I don't have HBO.

Does anyone know if they'll be selling episodes on iTunes or something?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I started renting the whole series a few months ago. I love it now.

Its a shame I can't watch the new episdes though, I don't have HBO.

Does anyone know if they'll be selling episodes on iTunes or something?
They will probably be available here...
http://tinyurl.com/m23pk

[Deacon Blue]

They will probably be available here...
http://tinyurl.com/m23pk
I hadn't thought of that.

thanks

[baja]

Thank God for TiVo Got to take the wife to dinner

[-Slap-]

Thank God for TiVo Got to take the wife to dinner
I had to be talked into TiVo by a friend, but I swear by it now. I just dialed in my Sopranos season pass.

http://www.geocities.com/sadsac1/smiley.jpg

[rbackfactory80]

Hmmm, I will be interested to hear what true Soprano fans like myself think about the first episode. I have been a card carrying member never missing an episode.

[spdirty]

Crazy old fart, lol.

[Clockwork Orange]

Should have put him on assisted living. :nono:

[sirhcyennek81]

Betting the added weight tony packed on stopped the bullet from hitting a major organ. But yeah, time to put that old crazy **** in a home.

:Broncos:

[Orange_Beard]

Should have put him on assisted living. :nono:

Very Funny. Really made me crack-up.

[meangene]

Nothing like starting the new season with a bang!;D

[watermock]

I don't have HBO...this stuff is on DVD I assume?

[freak6]

Tony got shot?

[meangene]

Tony got shot?

LOOK AWAY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!!!!








Yep, Junior (nutty as a fruitcake now) shot him in the stomach. We're hanging till next week to know the outcome.

[freak6]

Junior went senile huh, that's funny.

[Old Dude]

So, assuming he's dead or incapacitated, who would be in charge now?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

So, assuming he's dead or incapacitated, who would be in charge now?

Shanahan

[meangene]

Junior went senile huh, that's funny.

Alzheimers. I'm sure Tony doesn't think it's funny. Shot him, threw the gun under the bed and hid in the closet.
LOL

[Old Dude]

So, assuming he's dead or incapacitated, who would be in charge now?

Seriously, does anyone know?

Silvio is the Consigliere ... does that trump the Captains?

[meangene]

Seriously, does anyone know?

Silvio is the Consigliere ... does that trump the Captains?


I think so but that's gonna piss Paulie off. I wouldn't be surprised if Tony is capable of naming Christopher in his absence. Remember that comment to AJ about only trusting blood?

[Maximus]

Shanahan

Sounds about right... Everyone is turining into Rats!

[TheManeMan]

Should have put him on assisted living. :nono:

You can bet your ass that Junior will be put on assisted living in the next episode, thats forsure...

[The Big E]

If Tony dies it looks like the dude who hung himself may have jumped the gun. He might've had an out with the new boss. They can't knock off Tony in episode one, can they?


edit: I forgot that the feds had that guy by the nads so he wasn't going to Florida anyway.

[TheManeMan]

No way...its all plot build up...

[watermock]

So, assuming he's dead or incapacitated, who would be in charge now?

Alexander Haig or Khan...looks like a power struggle.

[Pezman]

(enter subliminal message)

...So, now that we've seen how the Sopranos ends...

(end message)

I loved the spoken word beginning and the reintroduction of the principle cast of this episode. I was stunned to see Adriana at the beginning but it was a great teaser! My only question was, where the hell was Paulie Walnuts?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I thought the indro was funny "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the american public"

[Pezman]

I thought the indro was funny "no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the american public"

Speaking of that. Where the hell were they going with the feds and their plot. I thought for sure they were staking out Satriale's for a possible bugging.

Anyone else dissapointed we didnt get to see a new hottie goomar for Tony? Damn his getting back together with the wife. It was so much better when he was shagging hotties...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

[QUOTE=Pezman]Speaking of that. Where the hell were they going with the feds and their plot. I thought for sure they were staking out Satriale's for a possible bugging.


Feds on the take???

[Breck Bronc]

Speaking of that. Where the hell were they going with the feds and their plot. I thought for sure they were staking out Satriale's for a possible bugging.

Anyone else dissapointed we didnt get to see a new hottie goomar for Tony? Damn his getting back together with the wife. It was so much better when he was shagging hotties...Tony was definitely looking at that sushi waitress. I wouldn't be surprised to see her as the new goomah this season.

Hilarious! @ Bobby Bacala's train conductors hat, then Janice saying, "you know you didn't have to wear your ****ing hat."

Hilarious! @ A.J.'s hair.

It wasn't a shock to see Eugene Pontercorvo kill himself after getting his most screen time as a character in the series. I thought he was going to shoot himself after looking at the photo album. The hanging scene was kind of disturbing to watch.

I agree that Tony's added weight will save him. He looked pregnant at times during this episode.

I thought it was a great episode to start the season.

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So, assuming he's dead or incapacitated, who would be in charge now?
I can't see The Guy From Jersey going out like that. No way Gandolfini dies at any point during the series. HBO won't be the end of The Sopranos. I'm sure we'll see a movie or two down the road.

[-Slap-]

It wasn't a shock to see Eugene Pontercorvo kill himself after getting his most screen time as a character in the series. I thought he was going to shoot himself after looking at the photo album. The hanging scene was kind of disturbing to watch.
It was disturbing. He was very convincing. The urine down his pantleg at the end was a nice touch. That's what I call method acting.

[Old Dude]

Speaking of that. Where the hell were they going with the feds and their plot. I thought for sure they were staking out Satriale's for a possible bugging.

...

Let's see ... Pussy was working for them, but then Pussy disappears.

Then they get Adriana ... and she disappears.

Then they get the old guy, and he makes one poor recording and then cacks.

And then they make a deal with a hit man, who promptly does himself in.

The are not having too much luck.

[dbfan4life]

Sounds about right... Everyone is turining into Rats!

Funny but absolutely true! Who else?

[TheManeMan]

It was disturbing. He was very convincing. The urine down his pantleg at the end was a nice touch. That's what I call method acting.

I didnt even notice that...good eye there...guess I'll watch it again when I get back home...

[Sideburn]

Excellant episode last night.

1)Anyone else reading into Carm's dream where Ade gives her the ciggie then fades away, kinda like she is handing something off to her?

2)Tony's not dead, and Silvio will become acting boss.

3)They really need to explain Christopher becoming a Captain so soon...especially after the Ade thing.

4)Bobby and Janice's kid is fvcking ugly.

5)AJ is going to be a fvcking pussy for the rest of his life.

6)Junior will be living at Green grove

7)What a great fvcking episode

[TheManeMan]

In the trailer for the 6th season, you can see that Junior is wearing an Orange jumpsuit...maybe he's not headed for Green Grove, and he's going to be incarcerated in the coming episodes...

[Sideburn]

In the trailer for the 6th season, you can see that Junior is wearing an Orange jumpsuit...maybe he's not headed for Green Grove, and he's going to be incarcerated in the coming episodes...
He'll probably be picked up after the cops arrive from the initial 911 call. The gun used may have even been used in an unsolved murder, which would just be special. But Junior is too senile to do time. I really don't think he'll go to green grove, he'll end up in a hospice type place.

[Sideburn]

Also of note.

Vito might be trying to move in as boss of Jersey. He's getting a big head as it is, and his relationship with Phil Leatardo could easily be exploited for NY benefit.

[Pezman]

Good god, that episode tonight had my head spinning. I hate those half reality, half dream themes. If things were indeed legitimate and real, we can expect to see the splintering of both of Tony's families in the very near future.

[RhymesayersDU]

Sweet friggin episode.

I want meadow. bad.

[Pezman]

Sweet friggin episode.

I want meadow. bad.

:wiggle: Hell yeah, she's some serious eye candy!

By the way, was the voice on the phone Adrianna in Tony's coma or maybe Gloria Trillo? I swear it sounded just like Ade.

What was with Vito passing gas while sitting on the Soprano's couch? I swear that guy is becoming a serious ego. I loved the whole "maybe he is gay" reference he made tonight too. That was hilarious.

[sirhcyennek81]

:wiggle: Hell yeah, she's some serious eye candy!

By the way, was the voice on the phone Adrianna in Tony's coma or maybe Gloria Trillo? I swear it sounded just like Ade.

What was with Vito passing gas while sitting on the Soprano's couch? I swear that guy is becoming a serious ego. I loved the whole "maybe he is gay" reference he made tonight too. That was hilarious.

Wierd, I didnt think Meadow was all that hot in earlier seasons. She does now, tho. AJ looks like a douchebag.

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Meadow doesnt trust the doctor much, does she?

:Broncos:

[Sideburn]

:wiggle: Hell yeah, she's some serious eye candy!

By the way, was the voice on the phone Adrianna in Tony's coma or maybe Gloria Trillo? I swear it sounded just like Ade.

What was with Vito passing gas while sitting on the Soprano's couch? I swear that guy is becoming a serious ego. I loved the whole "maybe he is gay" reference he made tonight too. That was hilarious.
I think the wife on the other end was a mixture of Charmaine Bucco and Gloria Trillo. The first time he calls, it sounds just like Charmaine, then the rest of the episode it sounds like Gloria.
Excellant episode tonight. AJ is still a pussy.
The dream stuff seems like Tony is in purgatory to me. Can't get home, says he's "lost". I really hope they snap him out of it though. Dragging on his eventual death like this is ****ty. I want more wise cracking tough guy sh!t.

[meangene]

As good as the first episode was, this one was boring. Nothing really happened other than we know Tony is alive (no shock there) and, supposedly dieing. I'm getting the feeling he is gonna be out of it for at least several episodes while his guys start to fight amongst themselves. I want more action!

[SPORTSWRITER]

Episode 1 was definitely better than 2. No concern for T passing away. He'll be around for the entire 18 remaining episodes, IMO, and probably for any ensuing movies to follow.

Who was Paulie shooting at in the preview for next week's episode? That will be interesting to find out. One thing for sure- The Sopranos is the VERY BEST TV SERIES of ALL TIME, IMO!!

[Garcia Bronco]

A lame show just got lamer...they really 'jumped the shark' last night

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I started renting the whole series a few months ago. I love it now.

Its a shame I can't watch the new episdes though, I don't have HBO.

Does anyone know if they'll be selling episodes on iTunes or something?

I need to get up to speed on The Sopranos too.

The last season I watched was the one where Tony's wife left at the end (whatever season that was.)

Great handle, BTW! :thumbsup:

[Orange_Beard]

I enjoyed the second show.
I think Tony is going to die.

[eddie mac]

I enjoyed the second show.
I think Tony is going to die.

He could do a Chrissy and die for 1 minute then come back.;)

[eddie mac]

Unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to see the new season until Autumn when it will be screened in the UK. Anyone know of any sites it can be downloaded from, dont mind if there's a cost as long as it's not extortionate.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I heard some speculation that Tony would die and the remaining episodes would be flashbcks to how he ended up at uncle junior's and the gun under the bed would be a crucial detail.

[meangene]

I heard some speculation that Tony would die and the remaining episodes would be flashbcks to how he ended up at uncle junior's and the gun under the bed would be a crucial detail.

Meaning it was a setup? That would be interesting!

[Orange_Beard]

Meaning it was a setup? That would be interesting!

Hmm, no way it could be a set-up. His sister(not Janice) was the one who was watching Junior and had to leave, meaning she would have to have been in on it. It would not be real if she was involved.

[meangene]

Hmm, no way it could be a set-up. His sister(not Janice) was the one who was watching Junior and had to leave, meaning she would have to have been in on it. It would not be real if she was involved.

Sure it would - she's a complete nutbag! Kind of funny that they had some kind of "thing" to go to and her husband had to go too. Junior was conspiring with Tony's mother to kill him before. Paulie has some issues, etc, etc. Could be a coupe!

[broncoholic]

Uncle Junior is looking more and more like the Six Flags guy....

[Orange_Beard]

Sure it would - she's a complete nutbag! Kind of funny that they had some kind of "thing" to go to and her husband had to go too. Junior was conspiring with Tony's mother to kill him before. Paulie has some issues, etc, etc. Could be a coupe!

His older sister is a "complete nut bag" I must have missed that. She seems like the most same of the kids.

[meangene]

His older sister is a "complete nut bag" I must have missed that. She seems like the most same of the kids.

They've all got issues with that mother of theirs. I don't think she necessarily would have to be in on it. It could have been set up for whenever Janice was supposed to watch him and Tony had to fill in. That whole conspiracy theory would kind of make sense. Sure would be an interesting plot line.

[Orange_Beard]

They've all got issues with that mother of theirs. I don't think she necessarily would have to be in on it. It could have been set up for whenever Janice was supposed to watch him and Tony had to fill in. That whole conspiracy theory would kind of make sense. Sure would be an interesting plot line.

I just don't see how you could use a guy "in juniors mental condition" to run a plot. The guy is nuts.

Now if they had someone waiting in the house to shoot Tony or someone upstairs coaching Junior to shoot whoever was down stairs..... that would make sense, then blame it on Junior.

But in juniors current state I don't see he could be used as a conspirator.

[meangene]

I just don't see how you could use a guy "in juniors mental condition" to run a plot. The guy is nuts.

Now if they had someone waiting in the house to shoot Tony or someone upstairs coaching Junior to shoot whoever was down stairs..... that would make sense, then blame it on Junior.

But in juniors current state I don't see he could be used as a conspirator.

Yeah, they could have used him as a pawn or he could be faking the degree of his problem. He sure went downhill fast. It's all just speculation but it would make an interesting storyline. Guess, we'll have to tune in to see. The show does keep you watching.

[Orange_Beard]

Yeah, they could have used him as a pawn or he could be faking the degree of his problem. He sure went downhill fast. It's all just speculation but it would make an interesting storyline. Guess, we'll have to tune in to see. The show does keep you watching.

I agree. Great show.
Do you think AJ will kill junior?
If so, will that be his entrance into the life, or will he go to jail.


AJ sure is looking like Jackie Jr.

[meangene]

I agree. Great show.
Do you think AJ will kill junior?
If so, will that be his entrance into the life, or will he go to jail.


AJ sure is looking like Jackie Jr.

I think he's too much of a ****y! I'd like to see him in jail. He wouldn't last a week. But, I don't see him killing Junior. He might try though.

[Old Dude]

I think Tony will pull out of it, but he might not be completely with it for awhile. They did mention brain damage as a possibility.

That could put the family in a bind if he makes only a partial recovery.

I imagine Uncle Junior is going to be in close custody for awhile. It might not be easy for AJ to get to him with a gun.

Vito Spatafore could be the next one to bite the dust.

[DownRiver Bronco Fan]

Just an obscure observation, but I am reminded of Robert DeNiro's expression at the end of the movie 'Once Upon A Time In America' when DeNiroo is in an opium den as he sinks into the opium haze... the same expression that was on Tonys mug as the episode ended...It's kind of weird but to me the expressions were exactly the same

[freak6]

I thought last night's episode was boring. Meadow looks good, but way darker than her pale family.

The best part was the trailer for the upcoming episodes showing the power struggle.

[freak6]

Why was Eugene a rat, and trying to leave the family. Why not just fly to Tahiti. Him commiting suicide was stupid.

[Pezman]

Uncle Junior is looking more and more like the Six Flags guy....

If he starts dancing like that Six Flags guy, I'm never going back there again Hilarious!

Hey, did anyone catch that shot of Vito confronting Finn in the preview next week? Poor, poor Finn...

[Orange_Beard]

Why was Eugene a rat, and trying to leave the family. Why not just fly to Tahiti. Him commiting suicide was stupid.

I kind of agree. He had 2 mill, why not take off.
Maybe the FBI would have caught up to him, but I don't think the family would have waisted time to go look for him.

[BroncoBuff]

I heard some speculation that Tony would die and the remaining episodes would be flashbcks to how he ended up at uncle junior's and the gun under the bed would be a crucial detail.
That was Keith Olbermann's theory .... that the 1st episode last week was actually the series' LAST episode, and the remaining ones would be flash-backs from T's hospital bed. A reasonable theory - after all, the last episode in '04 had Tony barely moving back w/ Carmela and Johnny Sack just getting arrested in the snow .... so now, with the couple eating sushi and waxing rhapsodically about their lives together .... and with Johnny Sack ensconced in jail/prison, receiving visitors .... it does seem there's a gap.

But apparently, David Chase's office called Olbermann and said NO - that Keith's theory was wrong. At least that's what Keith said.

[BroncoBuff]

As good as the first episode was, this one was boring. Nothing really happened other than we know Tony is alive (no shock there) and, supposedly dieing. I'm getting the feeling he is gonna be out of it for at least several episodes while his guys start to fight amongst themselves. I want more action!
I want more action too .... and less long, drawn-out symbolic fantasies.

This "what would my life have been without the Mafia" fantasy sequence is odd .... but I'm very impressed with Gandolfini's non-Mafia identity's slight alteration of his voice dailect. Did anybody notice that? His "other wife" sounds like his fat sister, too....

Orange Beard is right, too .... the Eugene ending was bull. Nobody commits suicide the week they get 2 million dollars .....

[meangene]

Why was Eugene a rat, and trying to leave the family. Why not just fly to Tahiti. Him commiting suicide was stupid.

I think he was just trying to escape from that nagging wife of his. No matter where he went she would have hunted him (and the money) down.;D

[Orange_Beard]

I want more action too .... and less long, drawn-out symbolic fantasies.

This "what would my life have been without the Mafia" fantasy sequence is odd .... but I'm very impressed with Gandolfini's non-Mafia identity's slight alteration of his voice dailect. Did anybody notice that? His "other wife" sounds like his fat sister, too....

Gandolfini is great. Eddie Falco was great last night. Man she had me a few times last night.

To me the wife's voice seemed to change a few times. I thought it was Gloria Tirllo(sp), then his sister.

[Pezman]

I want more action too .... and less long, drawn-out symbolic fantasies.

This "what would my life have been without the Mafia" fantasy sequence is odd .... but I'm very impressed with Gandolfini's non-Mafia identity's slight alteration of his voice dailect. Did anybody notice that? His "other wife" sounds like his fat sister, too....


Gee, no. Oh wait, I already said that on this very thread. Doofus :wave:

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Most of the acting in this show is incredible. You would expect the male characters to be the strongest, but I find the women to be strongest - Carmella, Meadow, Janice and mom.

Seems to me the only characters strong enought to take over if Tony dies are Carmella and Meadow. And Janice needs to be offed. She is a boil on the family's butt.

[Breck Bronc]

Most of the acting in this show is incredible. You would expect the male characters to be the strongest, but I find the women to be strongest - Carmella, Meadow, Janice and mom.

Seems to me the only characters strong enought to take over if Tony dies are Carmella and Meadow. And Janice needs to be offed. She is a boil on the family's butt.I agree about the women actors being the strongest (though Gandolfini is the best of the cast and the male actors aren't too shabby). Drea de Matteo as Adriana gave a wonderful performance last season.

Robert Iler and his below par acting really sticks out in a series that's so deep in talent.

I wish Tony Sirico got some more screen time. In this year's first two episodes he hasn't appeared much, but he sure says some funny isht when he gets the chance. I'm hoping there's one more Pine Barrens-esque episode for Paulie Walnuts to shine before The Sopranos ends for good.

[BroncoBuff]

Gee, no. Oh wait, I already said that on this very thread. Doofus :wave:

Sorry, man! ...but you said:

"I swear it sounded just like Ade"
I thought "Ade" meant semi-dead Adrianna ... but I guess you meant Aida Turturro, the real-life actress who plays Janice... ? ?

Okay, my bad ... Uhh

[Pezman]

Ha!

[BroncoBuff]

Gandolfini is great. Eddie Falco was great last night. Man she had me a few times last night.

To me the wife's voice seemed to change a few times. I thought it was Gloria Tirllo(sp), then his sister.

You are so right about Edie Falco .... she is really excellent. I thought she was really great in the affair with the school adviser (Edward R. Murrow), too .... but to be honest, imho the whole Tony/Carmela separation was a bad long-term diversion in the plot-thread. And now, suddenly ... "poof!" - they're back together again, munching sushi, getting cozy and waxing sentimental. I'll bet privately the producers regret the separation plotline.

I hadn't thought about Annabella Sciorra's voice (she's Gloria Tirillo, right?)

Did you notice how Tony's fantasy-sequence voice is slightly different? He's much heavier and his hair's a lot shorter too. That could be standard 22-month layoff stuff though.

[Boobs McGee]

OK, my sister who lives out in SoCal writes me after every episode...she's a pretty observant lady.

Here's a few interesting things she noticed about the Lame ass show from last week. And by the way, I hope that when AJ's little bitch ass tries to kill Junior (i don't think it's gonna happen, that little pussy doesn't have the stones), the old man suddenly gains superhuman strength, rips off the kid's arms, and beats him with them.

anyways.

my sisters keen observations:
OK, Episode 2 of the Sopranos really blew. Some comments:
1) As predicted, Maria's provocative idea for the plot (the family assumed the New York syndicate whacked Tony -- as oposed to senile Uncle Junior -- with WWIII wise-guys style as a result) -- did NOT come to pass. Instead:
Everyone finds out that senile Uncle Junior really was the one who shot Tony...uh...OK...fascinating (not);
2) As a medical professional, I can tell you that never in a million years would the doctors let the family stand at the bedside and watch as he cleaned the gaping abdominal wound on Tonys balloon-esque abdomen. (Also, as a side note, rarely would they leave a wound like that OPEN, and not surgically repaired) -- that was pure HBO shock value;
3) OK, now tell me if I'm wrong...in Tony's "dream/parallel universe" experience as a salesman in Costa Mesa -- I'm fairly sure that David Chase was implying that life in Costa Mesa is...well...HELL. Did you catch the scene at the bar when Tony looked up at the TV screen, and all that was there were flames, and the words "Costa Mesa" inscribed ominously across the screen? Also, in the dream Tony was "trapped" there in Costa Mesa, with apparently no escape (as in eternal damnation).
As someone who grew up in Costa Mesa and considers it my home town, I have a personal stake in this. And here is an interesting coincidence: In my entire life, I only remember hearing the words "Costa Mesa" uttered in a TV show or a film twice. EVER. the second time was this week when Tony bellied up to the bar and asked the bartender:
"So, what's it like living in Costa Mesa?"
The only previous time I heard the name of my town in TV or the movies was on the Big Screen in 1995. I was, in fact, sitting in the now defunct Harbor Twin Cinemas in Costa Mesa, watching Get Shorty, which takes place mostly in LA and Miami. I and the audience were stunned when the character of Bear the stuntman uttered the line:
"I'm driving down to Costa Mesa."
The audience burst into applause.
The actor who uttered the line?
James Gandolfini.
Your thoughts?

[freak6]

Anybody watching Big Love? It's boring to me. It's amazing how I, and most Americans are so numb to violence, and without the killings in last weeks Soprano's, we are all complaining, myself included.

My favorite episode ever...

When Tony took out Ralphie in the kitchen!!!

[eddie mac]

Anybody watching Big Love? It's boring to me. It's amazing how I, and most Americans are so numb to violence, and without the killings in last weeks Soprano's, we are all complaining, myself included.

My favorite episode ever...

When Tony took out Ralphie in the kitchen!!!

Superb episode, that fvck deserved to go after he killed the hooker he'd impregnated.

[Breck Bronc]

Superb episode, that fvck deserved to go after he killed the hooker he'd impregnated.And Pie-Oh-My.

[Old Dude]

You guys are just too bloodthirtsy for me ...

[BroncoBuff]

The only previous time I heard the name of my town in TV or the movies was on the Big Screen in 1995. I was, in fact, sitting in the now defunct Harbor Twin Cinemas in Costa Mesa, watching Get Shorty, which takes place mostly in LA and Miami. I and the audience were stunned when the character of Bear the stuntman uttered the line:
"I'm driving down to Costa Mesa."
The audience burst into applause.
The actor who uttered the line?
James Gandolfini.
Your thoughts?

INCRDEDIBLE observation!! .... I'm pulling out the "Get Shorty" DVD tonight!

[Sideburn]

OK, my sister who lives out in SoCal writes me after every episode...she's a pretty observant lady.

Here's a few interesting things she noticed about the Lame ass show from last week. And by the way, I hope that when AJ's little b**** ass tries to kill Junior (i don't think it's gonna happen, that little p***Y doesn't have the stones), the old man suddenly gains superhuman strength, rips off the kid's arms, and beats him with them.

anyways.

my sisters keen observations:
OK, Episode 2 of the Sopranos really blew. Some comments:
1) As predicted, Maria's provocative idea for the plot (the family assumed the New York syndicate whacked Tony -- as oposed to senile Uncle Junior -- with WWIII wise-guys style as a result) -- did NOT come to pass. Instead:
Everyone finds out that senile Uncle Junior really was the one who shot Tony...uh...OK...fascinating (not);
2) As a medical professional, I can tell you that never in a million years would the doctors let the family stand at the bedside and watch as he cleaned the gaping abdominal wound on Tonys balloon-esque abdomen. (Also, as a side note, rarely would they leave a wound like that OPEN, and not surgically repaired) -- that was pure HBO shock value;
3) OK, now tell me if I'm wrong...in Tony's "dream/parallel universe" experience as a salesman in Costa Mesa -- I'm fairly sure that David Chase was implying that life in Costa Mesa is...well...HELL. Did you catch the scene at the bar when Tony looked up at the TV screen, and all that was there were flames, and the words "Costa Mesa" inscribed ominously across the screen? Also, in the dream Tony was "trapped" there in Costa Mesa, with apparently no escape (as in eternal damnation).
As someone who grew up in Costa Mesa and considers it my home town, I have a personal stake in this. And here is an interesting coincidence: In my entire life, I only remember hearing the words "Costa Mesa" uttered in a TV show or a film twice. EVER. the second time was this week when Tony bellied up to the bar and asked the bartender:
"So, what's it like living in Costa Mesa?"
The only previous time I heard the name of my town in TV or the movies was on the Big Screen in 1995. I was, in fact, sitting in the now defunct Harbor Twin Cinemas in Costa Mesa, watching Get Shorty, which takes place mostly in LA and Miami. I and the audience were stunned when the character of Bear the stuntman uttered the line:
"I'm driving down to Costa Mesa."
The audience burst into applause.
The actor who uttered the line?
James Gandolfini.
Your thoughts?

Tony is stuck in Purgatory. The flames do represent hell, likewise, the beacon of light that we see out of the window twice is heaven. I think right now Tony is on more of a quest than he realizes.
This is from an article I found.
http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1142836402123280.xml&coll=1
When I had my annual summit with "Sopranos" creator David Chase a few weeks ago, I complimented him on having the onions to put a major dream sequence like this so early in the season, considering how many fans complain about the dreams.

"I, frankly, would not call those (episode two scenes) dreams," he said, which sent me scurrying back to watch my DVD over and over again, until (with some help from my wife) I got it.

Here Tony's stuck in Orange County, quite possibly the most personality-free corner of the world, with no way to leave (a k a Purgatory). On one end of town is a shining beacon (Heaven), on the other, a raging forest fire (Hell). Over and over, he stops to assess the worth of his own life, asking, "Who am I? Where am I going?"

Then he steals the identity (sin) of Kevin Finnerty -- a heating salesman who lives in one of the hottest states of the union (Arizona) -- checks into another hotel, and falls down a red staircase, at which point he learns he has Alzheimer's (eternal damnation). And while Carmela's busy in the real world telling him he's not going to Hell, Tony's in Purgatory debating whether to tell his wife this is exactly the fate he has in store.

[Pezman]

Heh, so I guess it probably doesnt bode well for me that I live 10 miles from Costa Nostra errrrr Mesa Ha!

I still see a major power struggle forming between Vito and Paulie. Can the consiglere keep them both in line? I see big fireworks this week with Finn being confronted by Vito. If I was Finn, I'd be begging and pleading with Tony to survive, since his survival in a post-Tony world goes way down considering the secret he has on Vito.

Where the hell is the FBI storyline going? I'm still lost as to their importance so far.

[BroncoBuff]

Tony is stuck in Purgatory. The flames do represent hell, likewise, the beacon of light that we see out of the window twice is heaven.
Oh, MAN! That's freaking brilliant, Sideburn!!!

It makes complete sense! Tony has no identity, he's waiting, waiting, no place to stay, waiting, waiting . . . plus, OC is so vanilla ..... you nailed it! :notworthy

If that's Anabella Scorra's voice on the phone .... she obviously represents heaven, and T is clearly trying to join her there (not Jersey, HEAVEN!) .... Excellent!

Tony will finally recover, he'll remember the whole purgatory sequence .... and we'll spend the last 8 episodes (the so-called "extra episodes") watching T trying to make amends .... and he'll die in the end.

-
A couppla episodes down the line, I'll guess the disembodied Sciorra voice on the phone will start telling T how he can "join her" even without his ID .... and the instructions she'll give him will be life-changing instructions (as opposed to plane, train and automobile instructions). He'll be confused, but will slowly start to comply . . .

[RhymesayersDU]

Episode 1 was definitely better than 2. No concern for T passing away. He'll be around for the entire 18 remaining episodes, IMO, and probably for any ensuing movies to follow.

Who was Paulie shooting at in the preview for next week's episode? That will be interesting to find out. One thing for sure- The Sopranos is the VERY BEST TV SERIES of ALL TIME, IMO!!
I finally got to see episode 2 last night, and I was totally thinking this exact same thing. My first reaction to his coma was, "what is the point of this, they're not going to kill him off now."

But with that said, the idea that episode 1 was really the last episode was an interesting one.

I wanna see who kills Junior. I think AJ could do it, but he does have a ton of pussy tendencies.

[ak1971]

Heh, so I guess it probably doesnt bode well for me that I live 10 miles from Costa Nostra errrrr Mesa Ha!

I still see a major power struggle forming between Vito and Paulie. Can the consiglere keep them both in line? I see big fireworks this week with Finn being confronted by Vito. If I was Finn, I'd be begging and pleading with Tony to survive, since his survival in a post-Tony world goes way down considering the secret he has on Vito.

Where the hell is the FBI storyline going? I'm still lost as to their importance so far.


Im thinking the FBI storyline is going something like this. Chris stated that him and Tony are totally anti terror etc. They tell Chris that if he has any info to pass it along. Then there are the two middle easterners drinking in Bada Bing giving Tony well wishes. I think this is the FBIs way of 'back dooring' info out of the family.

[Old Dude]

Im thinking the FBI storyline is going something like this. Chris stated that him and Tony are totally anti terror etc. They tell Chris that if he has any info to pass it along. Then there are the two middle easterners drinking in Bada Bing giving Tony well wishes. I think this is the FBIs way of 'back dooring' info out of the family.

Something is definitely up with that. Otherwise that would be a huge red herring.

Speaking of red herrings, am I the only one who's still concerned about the Russian mobster who got away in the snow a couple years ago? That guy was close friends with the mob leader and if he survived, which seems likely, and got ahold of his boss/buddy, there would be some serious paybacks due for someone...

[freak6]

Good stuff about the Alzheimers!! Didn't think about that. In retrospect this episode was actually really interesting.

I'd like to see Christopher rat out the Arabs, then start an Arab vs Italian war with the FBI having instigating both sides mirroring fkn IRAQ.

I knew I could somehow draw this back to how much I hate Bush. I am consumed, to me,almost every song without overtly, blatant subjective lyrics, I can see how it is refrencing fk Bush. lol.

[TheManeMan]

Just wanted to mention at the end of episode 2...you see Tony take off his shoes (signifying him getting comfortable)...so, we should expect Tony to be in his coma for more than a few episodes...

Also, the power struggle is going to f__k up the whole family...and if AJ does go out and shoot the Mummy...it'll bring down the entire family even more...this episode was all build up for future storylines...I love how the show works...cant wait until Sunday!

[Sideburn]

Oh, MAN! That's freaking brilliant, Sideburn!!!

It makes complete sense! Tony has no identity, he's waiting, waiting, no place to stay, waiting, waiting . . . plus, OC is so vanilla ..... you nailed it! :notworthy

If that's Anabella Scorra's voice on the phone .... she obviously represents heaven, and T is clearly trying to join her there (not Jersey, HEAVEN!) .... Excellent!

Tony will finally recover, he'll remember the whole purgatory sequence .... and we'll spend the last 8 episodes (the so-called "extra episodes") watching T trying to make amends .... and he'll die in the end.

-
A couppla episodes down the line, I'll guess the disembodied Sciorra voice on the phone will start telling T how he can "join her" even without his ID .... and the instructions she'll give him will be life-changing instructions (as opposed to plane, train and automobile instructions). He'll be confused, but will slowly start to comply . . .


Just wait, it gets better. This is what happens when you do a radio show with a couple of other guys that are Sopranos freaks and you mash all of this together. This is from my notes from our discussion, and some from a lady I know that is a freak for this stuff too.

Tony is in purgatory.
He was literally in the "Hotel California" - Listen to the song immediately following watching the episode.
He was without an identity and unable to leave.
The hotel he can check into was the "Omni"...meaning ALL.
While he is stuck in that hotel, on one end of town is a shining beacon (Heaven), on the other, a raging forest fire (Hell).

Now let's dig WAAAY deeper into symbolism:
He is also apparently in the military contractor business, so it can be argued that he's still involved with death and murder. Also, he is still capable of cheating on his wife. I think the writers are showing the point that in the end, sin is sin, and once you get to the end it doesn't matter if you make your decisions in a boardroom or the back of a stripclub. I guess it's some social commentary.

In Dante Inferno, it is said there are 7 layers or circles of Hell that Dante traveled through to get to paradise.

Tony was placed on the 7th floor(or circle)... the circle for those who are violent

He's sinking further and further into the depths. Trying to get back by taking the stairs and leaving the 7th floor (circle, soul)

He fell down the stairs between the 5th and 4th floor. The 5th circle is wrath and 4th is greed

Also, if you recall the first episode opened with William Burroughs spoken word recording "Seven Souls"

From the Seven Souls...Number five is Ka, the Double, most closely associated with the subject.

The 1st circle is limbo and from there he can escape, when he stop acepting his fate and fights back and finds his breifcase.

His double who took his breifcase, or as Tony out it "My whole LIFE is in there"
That guy's name was Kevin Finnerty, to which the man at the bar jokes "Kev-Infinity"

By the way Kevin Finnerty is a heating salesman from the hottest state, Arizona. No need to go further there. Arizona is also on the Driver's License as AZ or a-z, the beginning to the end.

Dante's divine comedy is divided into three parts, corresponding with Dante's three journeys: Inferno, or "Hell"; Purgatorio, or "Purgatory"; and Paradiso, or "Paradise."

Consider that Tony is now in the second of the three journeys -- his life on earth has been Dante's hell and all it is comprised of (the seven circles of hell: Circle One, Those in limbo; Circle Two - The lustful; Circle Three, The gluttonous; Circle Four - The hoarders;
Circle Five - The wrathful; Circle Six - The heretics
Circle Seven - The violent), he is now in purgatory, and is making his final journey to Paradiso.

On Easter Sunday, Dante emerges from Hell. Through his travels, he has found his way to God and is able, once more, to look upon the stars.
Perhaps this is Tony's path.
Sunday April 16?

[Boobs McGee]

wouldn't it be ****ing hilarious if the writers just came out one day and told us they didn't do any of this stuff on purpose?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

So Tony becomes a "born again" TV preacher who scams a bunch of cash from his audience ;D

[Sideburn]

wouldn't it be ****ing hilarious if the writers just came out one day and told us they didn't do any of this stuff on purpose?
They'd have an easier time convincing me that the Earth is flat.

[TheManeMan]

Thats some good info there Sideburn...thanks for sharing...sounds like all that correlates to the storyline...

[Old Dude]

Cool stuff Sideburn.

All that symbolism stuff always goes right over my head.

[Sideburn]

The Sopranos just seems to be a show that makes you go "hmmmmmm???"

[Pezman]

The Sopranos just seems to be a show that makes you go "hmmmmmm???"

Wow, where were you when we needed the "Test Dream" episode analyzed brother? Good stuff Mr. Philosophy.

Oh yeah, and I'm now taking bets on Finn's death. I have him at 5 to 1 he survives the next three episodes (or doesnt get a hummer from Vito) Ha!

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Oh yeah, and I'm now taking bets on Finn's death. I have him at 5 to 1 he survives the next three episodes (or doesnt get a hummer from Vito) Ha!

Two of Meadow's beau's getting whacked. She'll take over and clean out the entire family - like Michael Corleone after his kids baptism.

[Sideburn]

Wow, where were you when we needed the "Test Dream" episode analyzed brother? Good stuff Mr. Philosophy.

Oh yeah, and I'm now taking bets on Finn's death. I have him at 5 to 1 he survives the next three episodes (or doesnt get a hummer from Vito) Ha!
Oh man, I've spent days breaking that episode down. Watch that episode again, and then the first two of season six, tell me that everything doesn't match up.
For an example, in the dream, Tony's teeth start falling out. It is believed by some shrinks and dream interps that losing teeth translates to a loss of control, and a fear of impending death. Also, in the dream, Tony was going to clip his coach, but the gun fell apart and the coach stated that as usual, he wasn't prepared to do what was needed of him. Now, Tony is stuck in Purgatory because he was unprepared to enter heaven, (Not having the right ID, gets turned away by the lady (St.Peter)).
Btw, anyone notice what the lady said to him after she turned him away?
"It's a whole new world" does this mean heaven? Once again, things that make you go hmmmmmmm?

[TheManeMan]

I have him at 5 to 1 he survives the next three episodes (or doesnt get a hummer from Vito) Ha!

Hilarious! I remember that nastiness!

[Sideburn]

I think Vito is going to get clipped, but it will be because of his involvement with Phil Letardo and whatever half assed move at taking over he attempts. I also think you're going to see a side to Silvio that we've never seen. One of prominance, yet arrogance. If you've seen the long season six trailer there is a clip of him putting on a suit and looking at himself in the mirror with his wife next to him looking proud.
Silvio is technically acting boss while Tony is down, if Tony were to die, Junior in prison or dead, it would go to a vote of the captains for the next boss. Vito wants it, doesn't deserve it. Paulie, while having the experience and possible leadership abilty is too hot headed, Christopher is way to inexperienced, Silvio would be a good choice, but does he truly have the respect of the other captains. Bobby B has zero respect. There are other captains, but we just don't see them enough. This is where the struggle for power comes in. Tony will still be alive, as there are so many clips of him being "Tony" for him to die this early. To be honest with you, if Tony ends up dead, in my eyes, so does NJ. The others would be so caught up with their own needs, that NY would steamroll them easily. If you really think about it, with the Tony, Johnny Sac allegiance out of the way, you only need to make 6 calculated hits to take down Jersey.
1) Silvio
2) Paulie
3) Christafa'
4) Benny (I think he'll get made in a few weeks)
5) Bobby B.
6) Paricey

[Riddi]

Oh man, I've spent days breaking that episode down. Watch that episode again, and then the first two of season six, tell me that everything doesn't match up.
For an example, in the dream, Tony's teeth start falling out. It is believed by some shrinks and dream interps that losing teeth translates to a loss of control, and a fear of impending death. Also, in the dream, Tony was going to clip his coach, but the gun fell apart and the coach stated that as usual, he wasn't prepared to do what was needed of him. Now, Tony is stuck in Purgatory because he was unprepared to enter heaven, (Not having the right ID, gets turned away by the lady (St.Peter)).
Btw, anyone notice what the lady said to him after she turned him away?
"It's a whole new world" does this mean heaven? Once again, things that make you go hmmmmmmm?

Tony's dream in Season 5 was concerning giving up his cousin Tony B. had nothing to do with what happened in season 6 episode 2

[BroncoBuff]

Tony is in purgatory.
He was literally in the "Hotel California" He was without an identity and unable to leave.

In Dante Inferno, it is said there are 7 layers or circles of Hell that Dante traveled through to get to paradise.

Tony was placed on the 7th floor(or circle)... the circle for those who are violent

He's sinking further and further into the depths. Trying to get back by taking the stairs and leaving the 7th floor (circle, soul)

By the way Kevin Finnerty is a heating salesman from the hottest state, Arizona. No need to go further there. Arizona is also on the Driver's License as AZ or a-z, the beginning to the end.

On Easter Sunday, Dante emerges from Hell. Through his travels, he has found his way to God and is able, once more, to look upon the stars.
Perhaps this is Tony's path.
Sunday April 16?

Awesome analysis ....

[Orange_Beard]

I think Vito is going to get clipped, but it will be because of his involvement with Phil Letardo and whatever half assed move at taking over he attempts. I also think you're going to see a side to Silvio that we've never seen. One of prominance, yet arrogance. If you've seen the long season six trailer there is a clip of him putting on a suit and looking at himself in the mirror with his wife next to him looking proud.
Silvio is technically acting boss while Tony is down, if Tony were to die, Junior in prison or dead, it would go to a vote of the captains for the next boss. Vito wants it, doesn't deserve it. Paulie, while having the experience and possible leadership abilty is too hot headed, Christopher is way to inexperienced, Silvio would be a good choice, but does he truly have the respect of the other captains. Bobby B has zero respect. There are other captains, but we just don't see them enough. This is where the struggle for power comes in. Tony will still be alive, as there are so many clips of him being "Tony" for him to die this early. To be honest with you, if Tony ends up dead, in my eyes, so does NJ. The others would be so caught up with their own needs, that NY would steamroll them easily. If you really think about it, with the Tony, Johnny Sac allegiance out of the way, you only need to make 6 calculated hits to take down Jersey.
1) Silvio
2) Paulie
3) Christafa'
4) Benny (I think he'll get made in a few weeks)
5) Bobby B.
6) Paricey


I vote to put you in charge. I enjoyed your posts.

[BroncoBuff]

I vote to put you in charge. I enjoyed your posts.
I second the motion .... and his avatar - it's like he's looking right through me! ;D

[KipCorrington25]

Episode 3

The longest two hours of my life… about halfway through I thought it could only get more boring if Carmella went to talk to the Psychologist… and low and behold.

Really annoyed by the sanctimonious B.S. from Carmella. You left him once and all that money you spend on your house, furs, clothes etc is blood money, don't act like you are so put upon.

I hate the dream sequences also.

This show just needs to be about wiseguys and nothing else. More Paulie Walnuts!

[BigPlayShay]

More Paulie Walnuts!

Well, Paulie's nuts were a fairly big part of this episode Hilarious!

[The Big E]

Jason Barone is screwed. That was a great Paulie Walnuts episode, and poor ol' Jason is going to take the brunt of Paulie's wrath.

BTW, what happened to this thread this week? There's been some awesome analysis, but this week, nothin'. What gives? I need to be enlightened past my own surface understanding of what's going on.

[Garcia Bronco]

I don't understand why he's making him kick up points.....he's not a wiseguy.

[TheManeMan]

Paulie is going to get some sh!t from Tony...that is if Tony finds out...

[The Big E]

Paulie is going to get some sh!t from Tony...that is if Tony finds out...
You'd think he'd find out, although with Paulie's threat of shoving his gun up Barone's arse and firing until the bullets came out his eyes, may be an incentive to keep it quiet. Ouchie.

Paulie's on the edge right now. Maybe Born Again Tony will cut him some slack.:angel:

[Kaylore]

go team!

[Old Dude]

There are so many characters in this season's cast who deserve to get whacked I wouldn't even know where to start.

[Orange_Beard]

I don't understand why he's making him kick up points.....he's not a wiseguy.


Because he can.
He is a ruthless MF'ER.

[TheManeMan]

There are so many characters in this season's cast who deserve to get whacked I wouldn't even know where to start.

I'd start off with Phil Leotardo...The same way he was taken care of in Goodfellas...

http://www.scorsese.stopklatka.pl/good19.jpg

[ak1971]

so you think Vito off'd himself tonight?

[RhymesayersDU]

Great episode tonight. I think he got his point across by beating that kid pretty easily.

[RhymesayersDU]

so you think Vito off'd himself tonight?
He had to have... Or else he's going into hiding. The minute they showed those two guys walk into the gay bar, I knew they'd find him there.

You gotta wonder if perhaps he's going to go to the police and ask them to relocate him somewhere in exchange for information.

[ak1971]

He had to have... Or else he's going into hiding. The minute they showed those two guys walk into the gay bar, I knew they'd find him there.

You gotta wonder if perhaps he's going to go to the police and ask them to relocate him somewhere in exchange for information.


we were thinking that he was going to go kill those two guys. Good to see the 'evil' Tony back..he looked lpretty damned insane after he beat down that guy

[meangene]

we were thinking that he was going to go kill those two guys. Good to see the 'evil' Tony back..he looked lpretty damned insane after he beat down that guy

I think he loves himself too much to kill himself. I think he's gonna kill those two guys too. Wish he would do himself in - I know Finn would be relieved. Tony made his point but I kinda felt bad for that kid. Interesting plot line with Phil now talking about Johnie Sac.

[Ballhawk]

so you think Vito off'd himself tonight?

He is too arrogant to off himself, I think he may make a deal with the feds tho.

[heydensmom]

This season sucks! I keep waiting for it to get better, but no.

Vito will not kill himself.....

[Orange_Beard]

We were thinging he was going to kill those dudes who saw him...He really looked stupid in that leather outfit.

Did Tony really kick that guys ass, or did he just take his beating?
You know if he fights back or hurts Tony, those other guys kill him.

[Old Dude]

We were really left hanging with Vito. At first I assumed he was going to hunt down the guys who saw him. Then I thought he was going to off himself.

Then, after he called Silvio at home (in an obvious attempt to see if he'd been outed yet) I thought he might be back on the hunt.

But then he didn't show up for the meeting the next day, so it's all up in the air at this point.

As for Tony and his bodyguard, I don't think it was a performance by the kid. If the whole thing had been a premeditated display, I don't think we'd have seen Tony standing there for two or three minutes checking out his henchmen's biceps. I got the impression that he made the decision on the spot.

[Orange_Beard]

As for Tony and his bodyguard, I don't think it was a performance by the kid. If the whole thing had been a premeditated display, I don't think we'd have seen Tony standing there for two or three minutes checking out his henchmen's biceps. I got the impression that he made the decision on the spot.

I am not saying it was premeditated,
Tony new he needed to prove that he is still the Alpha Dog. After showing so much weakness, he need to show the Jackles that he is still powerful.

He came up with the idea while talking with Dr. Melfi.

I thought it was funny how he lloked at that fat bald guy, then at the Body builder- He was thinking, what makes a bigger statement.
I was just woundering if the guy was smart enough to stay down and take his beating.

[-Slap-]

Like I said before, any time two guys are going to fight, the guy who wants to fight more usually wins. Getting in a solid sucker punch right off the bat doesn't hurt your chances, either.

[B-Love]

When Vito touched Finn at the hospital, I thought that would be a storyline for several future episodes.

I thought Finn might have to give up his buttocks to stay alive, etc. LMAO!!

But after last night developments the Vito-Finn thing is probably over, whether Vito offed himself or reappears with as much fake testosterone as possible.

Did anyone else think Johnny Sack's wife died from a stress related heart attack? I thought they were going to pronounce her dead at the scene and gunplay between the family and the Feds would happen right at that spot.

[heydensmom]

I am not saying it was premeditated,
Tony new he needed to prove that he is still the Alpha Dog. After showing so much weakness, he need to show the Jackles that he is still powerful.

He came up with the idea while talking with Dr. Melfi.

I thought it was funny how he lloked at that fat bald guy, then at the Body builder- He was thinking, what makes a bigger statement.
I was just woundering if the guy was smart enough to stay down and take his beating.
I missed the whole fight scene, but this season is all about weaknesses and who is vulnerable.

[Rock Chalk]

I dont understand the allure of this show at all. Why do you people love it so much? Im not bashing it as i have seen only a few episodes and only in season 1, but I didnt see it then, and i dont see it now, what makes this show so special/

[TheManeMan]

LOL at Vito...what a douche...I think he's going to track those 2 guys down and take care of them...The way the showed him walk into the hotel room and what not was setting us up for anothe suicide but, as Old Dude said, after he called Sil, he knows that he wasnt outed yet...Im betting he was busy taking care of those 2 guys thats why he didnt show up to the meeting...

Whats up with Tony bowing down to Johnny Sack? Like Chris said, he should be the one taking favors on his daughters wedding day...instead of asking for one...Hopefully Tony changes his mind and lets the NY gang take care of their own business...

Last thing...it was great to see Tony back in Dr. Melfi's office...and him beating the sh!t out of his new driver/bodyguard was great...Hopefully he wont get questioned on his opinions anymore or even talked back to now...I think that guy who called Tony a convelescent was an ass, and deserved to get beat not the bodyguard...but, the only way to show that you've still got it, is to take out the strongest/biggest guy...

Great episode...more build up...too bad its only Monday... :pity:

[Old Dude]

So what's up with Christopher and the middle eastern guys at the Badda Bing? That must be driving Homeland Security bonkers ... LOL

[The Big E]

So what's up with Christopher and the middle eastern guys at the Badda Bing? That must be driving Homeland Security bonkers ... LOL
This situation will end up with Christopher being totally fuct. He's also going to have some issues with Tony because he's been getting pretty mouthy.

I think Vito is just going to take his leathers and disappear to another city, one open to the more "flamboyant" types.

[ak1971]

So what's up with Christopher and the middle eastern guys at the Badda Bing? That must be driving Homeland Security bonkers ... LOL


They were asking for Tech 9s and something about credit cards. I thnk that something will go down and Christopher will be F'd

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I dont understand the allure of this show at all. Why do you people love it so much? Im not bashing it as i have seen only a few episodes and only in season 1, but I didnt see it then, and i dont see it now, what makes this show so special/

Go back and rent the DVDs of the first season and you will be hooked. The acting is superb.

[Rock Chalk]

Go back and rent the DVDs of the first season and you will be hooked. The acting is superb.
I didnt think the acting was superb and all I have seen is season 1 episodes.

What I see, and I suppose I am in the minority on this is average acting playing watered down parts we have all seen in various mobster movies.

I got three friends just hooked on this show though, so something is there I am missing, but it certainly isnt the acting.

[Mile High Shack]

I didnt think the acting was superb and all I have seen is season 1 episodes.

What I see, and I suppose I am in the minority on this is average acting playing watered down parts we have all seen in various mobster movies.

I got three friends just hooked on this show though, so something is there I am missing, but it certainly isnt the acting.

dudes love mob movies

apparently you need to get your dude card taken back ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I didnt think the acting was superb and all I have seen is season 1 episodes.

What I see, and I suppose I am in the minority on this is average acting playing watered down parts we have all seen in various mobster movies.

I got three friends just hooked on this show though, so something is there I am missing, but it certainly isnt the acting.


Maybe its just Little Stevie :)

[heydensmom]

dudes love mob movies

apparently you need to get your dude card taken back ;D
LOL so I'm a dude....niiiice!

[Mile High Shack]

LOL so I'm a dude....niiiice!
I can neither confirm nor deny that since I haven’t seen you
:)

[Orange_Beard]

I didnt think the acting was superb and all I have seen is season 1 episodes.

What I see, and I suppose I am in the minority on this is average acting playing watered down parts we have all seen in various mobster movies.

I got three friends just hooked on this show though, so something is there I am missing, but it certainly isnt the acting.


I don't always think the acting is great. There are some really good actors in some roles and some not so good. Just my opion.
To me the show is so well written. You got guys who are ruthless criminals, who are very likeable.
It is a look into another world. IMHO

[TheManeMan]

Dude...if you dont understand why people watch a TV show, then please send me some of that herb you're smoking...I wanna get stupid stuck too...

[jtomm]

something is there I am missing

maybe it is just watching too much uk athletics :wave:

[Breck Bronc]

so something is there I am missinggood taste

[TheManeMan]

There is only one word to describe last nights episode...


Gay! http://www.maddennation.com/forums/images/smilies/supergay.gif

[heydensmom]

I'm sooooo dissapointed in this season! It better get good!

[TheManeMan]

Artie Bucco is f'n nuts huh?

[RhymesayersDU]

Artie has a set of balls on him, that's for sure. Gunna call out a thug in front of his wife and family. Even with Tony on Artie's side, what's his name, Benny, could snap and kill him.

[Garcia Bronco]

I thought it was a good episode....CM decking the actress got me up from the chair...that was a real shock.

[TheManeMan]

I thought it was a good episode....CM decking the actress got me up from the chair...that was a real shock.


I dont think it was Christopher who decked the old lady...maybe it was...either way, I was laughing my ass off...

I think it was 1 of those 2 Italians that were on the plane in the near to last scene...

[Old Dude]

That Old Lady was Lauren Bacall

http://www.porthalcyon.com/features/200505/images/bogie_bacall.jpg

[Orange_Beard]

I thought it was a good episode....CM decking the actress got me up from the chair...that was a real shock.

Yeah, that was funny.
I thought he was going to kick Ben Kingslys ass.

[freak6]

I loved last night's episode. Artie beating Benny's ass was great.

"Benny, can I get you a Martina"

"huh"

"A Martina, it's like a Martini, but from the old country, and goes down REAL EASY"

[Orange_Beard]

Artie shooting the rabbit in the back yard was great.

The ending was great, with Artie "going old school" and cooking for the couple.

[TheManeMan]

It's even funnier that he was going to serve that couple the rabbit he shot...Ha!

[Old Dude]

Anyone else notice that Christopher's rehab isn't going too well?

[Orange_Beard]

Anyone else notice that Christopher's rehab isn't going too well?


Yeah, not so much. Right when he gets out of town he goes nuts.

I guess as long as Tony does not find out he thinks he is OK.

[Old Dude]

Judging by the previews, the Vito storyline might be back again next week. I was starting to wonder if they were going to leave that as another loose end.

Wait, let me rephrase that ...

[Master___Pain]

I dont think it was Christopher who decked the old lady...maybe it was...either way, I was laughing my ass off...

I think it was 1 of those 2 Italians that were on the plane in the near to last scene...


What were they doing in Florida? I am pretty sure their "trip" was to Brooklyn.

I think that was Chris that punched Bacall, especially after he was trying to show Tony all the "cool stuff" the celebs get. It was all chick stuff.

[Orange_Beard]

Judging by the previews, the Vito storyline might be back again next week. I was starting to wonder if they were going to leave that as another loose end.

Wait, let me rephrase that ...


LOL. I have learned not to trust the previews.

[TheManeMan]

What were they doing in Florida? I am pretty sure their "trip" was to Brooklyn.

I think that was Chris that punched Bacall, especially after he was trying to show Tony all the "cool stuff" the celebs get. It was all chick stuff.

Florida? you mean California right? cuz thats where Chris went...yeah, it doesnt add up who hit Lauren Bacall...because those guys on the plane had some female gifts too, it doesnt make sense to how they ended up with a gift, unless that was their compensation for shooting those 2...and then like you said Tony took some of the stuff that Chris brought to the Bing...Maybe it was Chris' friend that did it...I dont know...


And this Credit Card angle is going to be the thing that ****s up the whole family...Thats what i'm guessing...

[ak1971]

Florida? you mean California right? cuz thats where Chris went...yeah, it doesnt add up who hit Lauren Bacall...because those guys on the plane had some female gifts too, it doesnt make sense to how they ended up with a gift, unless that was their compensation for shooting those 2...and then like you said Tony took some of the stuff that Chris brought to the Bing...Maybe it was Chris' friend that did it...I dont know...


And this Credit Card angle is going to be the thing that ****s up the whole family...Thats what i'm guessing...


The guys on the plane bought thier stuff..notice they were talking about how the dollar was weak to the Euro.

[Old Dude]

...because those guys on the plane had some female gifts too, it doesnt make sense to how they ended up with a gift, unless that was their compensation for shooting those 2.....

My impression is that the Sicilian hit men actually went shopping after completing their assignment, because they were talking about the better prices in the U.S. due to a weak dollar in Europe.

[TheManeMan]

yeah i totally forgot that's what they were talking about...thanks for clearing that up OD and AK...

[Ballhawk]

That Old Lady was Lauren Bacall

http://www.porthalcyon.com/features/200505/images/bogie_bacall.jpg

Ya they wouldn't have pulled that crap if Bogart was still around :)

[Garcia Bronco]

I dont think it was Christopher who decked the old lady...maybe it was...either way, I was laughing my ass off...

I think it was 1 of those 2 Italians that were on the plane in the near to last scene...


It was CM...and he layed knuckles on her. It was beast.

[-Slap-]

That Old Lady was Lauren Bacall

http://www.porthalcyon.com/features/200505/images/bogie_bacall.jpg
Indeed. First time that show has made me gasp this season.

[ak1971]

Indeed. First time that show has made me gasp this season.


Did crack me up, her dropping the F bomb though

[KipCorrington25]

Is it just me or is Artie's wife a total peice of ass... I've always thought so for whatever reason.

[-Slap-]

Artie has a set of balls on him, that's for sure. Gunna call out a thug in front of his wife and family. Even with Tony on Artie's side, what's his name, Benny, could snap and kill him.
Very out of character for Artie. Remember what a pussy he was at that Italian defamation rally?

I guess after watching Christopher go home with Adriana every night, it bothered him to see another wise guy going home with his hostess. Freaking douchbag, as he already married out of his league and should count himself lucky.

[Breck Bronc]

I dont think it was Christopher who decked the old lady...maybe it was...either way, I was laughing my ass off...

I think it was 1 of those 2 Italians that were on the plane in the near to last scene...You could tell it was Christopher by his eyebrows. And he knew that Bacall would be presenting at an awards show after hearing her conversation with Sir Ben by the pool (and Kingsley also told him that the most expensive gifts are given out to awards show presenters).

I thought it was another great episode even though Artie seemed to get the most screen time. It seems like he'll get one big episode every other season or so. And yes, Charmaine Bucco is hot. Great cans and I like her accent :wiggle: .

[TheManeMan]

Is it just me or is Artie's wife a total peice of ass... I've always thought so for whatever reason.

Tony wishes to hit that too...

[Clockwork Orange]

Very out of character for Artie. Remember what a pussy he was at that Italian defamation rally?

Or a few seasons back when he went to collect from some little twerp lawyer or accountant (can't remember exactly what) and ended up getting his ass kicked by him. He cried to Tony about it and Tony sent Furio over to the guys house to take care of it.

[meangene]

Artie's one of those guys with a lot or repressed anger and hostility. A prime candidate to "go postal" one day.

For me, the best part of the show last night was that dancer at the Bing that Tony and Artie were looking at. Makes Artie's wife look like someone's grandmother. Wow!

[heydensmom]

Just finished watching it...all I can say is damn....I'm so hating Christopher right now. I was just begining to like him again..

Yes i've heard some spoilers, some good stuff coming up!

[Sodak]

The Italians didn't hit Bacall, they were in New York the whole time, and went shopping after whacking Rusty. Chris and Bacall were in LA.

[-Slap-]

Oh great. An AJ heavy episode. Can I have that hour of my life back, please?

[Clockwork Orange]

Oh great. An AJ heavy episode. Can I have that hour of my life back, please?

Right after the annual all Artie episode. :nono:

[RhymesayersDU]

Yeah, AJ episodes aren't all that exciting. But it was interesting to see him attempt to kill Junior, as well as when he inherited Tony's panic attacks for the first time.

[Riddi]

That wasn't AJ first panic attack...He had one playing high school football and his second one was when he was going to military school in season 4...Great show....i love this show...

[RhymesayersDU]

Ah. My mistake.

[Breck Bronc]

I'm glad they didn't show more of the Vito-takes-off-his-gay-lover's-shirt-and-starts-to-make-out scene.

Looks like we'll get back to more of the Paulie/Christopher side of the family next week. I like every Sopranos episode but the ones based mostly on Tony's mafia family are the best.

Has Tony ever showed that kind of restraint with women before? Interesting.

[freak6]

Tony freaked out about his scar. He's gone soft. His family is going down the tubes and his weak leadership is allowing it to happen.

Phil is a BEAST!!! He's gonna kill Tony himself I think.

[Old Dude]

Tony freaked out about his scar. He's gone soft...

I don't think that scene had anything to do with the scar. It had to do with Carmela buttoning him up before he went out. I think he felt a rare pang of guilt, and he took it out on her when he got back.

[Rascal]

I don't watch this show but a guy at work commented on how it's turned into "brokenback mafia"

LOL

[Tom H.]

I'm still waiting for the russian mob guy to come back at Paulie and Christopher.

I don't think they need to revisit Vito. Pretty tired of that.

Phil is a good character. He should end up like the actors character in Goodfellas though.

[Old Dude]

I'm still waiting for the russian mob guy to come back at Paulie and Christopher.
...


Me too. That's a huge loose end. And remember that the guy they tried to kill was best buddies with the Russian mob boss.

[KipCorrington25]

Julianne Margulise or however you spell that was worth the price of admission las night.

Anthony Jr. is worthless. Drops the knife before he can make a move. He must have too much of Carmella's genes.

[RhymesayersDU]

I don't think that scene had anything to do with the scar. It had to do with Carmela buttoning him up before he went out. I think he felt a rare pang of guilt, and he took it out on her when he got back.
Exactly.

[Orange_Beard]

Julianne Margulise or however you spell that was worth the price of admission las night.

Anthony Jr. is worthless. Drops the knife before he can make a move. He must have too much of Carmella's genes.


Yeah, I was hoping for some skin........

[TheManeMan]

AJ episodes do suck...but, the storyline build up was worth it...

I think Phil is going to find where Vito is (Vito's wife is going to tell him that Vito called, Phil will trace that persons Caller ID) and he's going to drive up to New Hampshire and whack him...and I dont mean whack him off, although Vito would love that...

[Pezman]

Is it bad that I was more looking forward to Big Love rather than another crappy AJ self-immolation episode? I dont know why they havent done deeper storylines considering we only have 12 episodes left in the series.
I was really hoping we'd build a strong arc of stories all season and leave us with a great season-ender but its just not been there.

Is it too much to ask for a heavy duty gangland war Mr Chase? Ah screw it, I'm gonna go watch Big Love and watch the hijinks.

[heydensmom]

Is it bad that I was more looking forward to Big Love rather than another crappy AJ self-immolation episode? I dont know why they havent done deeper storylines considering we only have 12 episodes left in the series.
I was really hoping we'd build a strong arc of stories all season and leave us with a great season-ender but its just not been there.

Is it too much to ask for a heavy duty gangland war Mr Chase? Ah screw it, I'm gonna go watch Big Love and watch the hijinks.
Totally! Heck my power at my house was out until 8:30 last night making me miss the first half of this weeks sucky episode.....I'll say it again....soooooo disappointed. They should have called it quits last season like planned.

Pez--OMG sooo looking forward to Big Love....heck my husband's hooked now too. Go gettem Bill!

[-Slap-]

Originally Posted by Tom H.
I'm still waiting for the russian mob guy to come back at Paulie and Christopher.
...

Me too. That's a huge loose end. And remember that the guy they tried to kill was best buddies with the Russian mob boss.

I don't think its never going to happen. I think the Russians were just brought in to facilitate and that particular fish-out-of-water storyline and drop a couple goombahs into the middle of the woods. It certainly worked, since it was one of the funniest hours of television I've ever seen.

Walnuts has always had misadventures in the woods. Remember when they chased down that guy in the woods and he ran through poison oak? "I can feel it itching me already!"

[-Slap-]

Is it bad that I was more looking forward to Big Love rather than another crappy AJ self-immolation episode? I dont know why they havent done deeper storylines considering we only have 12 episodes left in the series.
I was really hoping we'd build a strong arc of stories all season and leave us with a great season-ender but its just not been there.

Is it too much to ask for a heavy duty gangland war Mr Chase? Ah screw it, I'm gonna go watch Big Love and watch the hijinks.
I don't think we're never going to see a gangland war, either. He didn't spend all this time cultivating these interesting characters to mow down a bunch of them in a few minutes/episodes. Besides, aren't there another ten episodes planned for next season? This was the first episode this season that really disappointed me, though. I find the Vito the Fag storyline kind of funny, but AJ has always bored me to tears. It seems like they're going for a lot more humor this year, too. Christopher's character in particular.

[Old Dude]

Is it bad that I was more looking forward to Big Love rather than another crappy AJ self-immolation episode? I dont know why they havent done deeper storylines considering we only have 12 episodes left in the series.
I was really hoping we'd build a strong arc of stories all season and leave us with a great season-ender but its just not been there.

Is it too much to ask for a heavy duty gangland war Mr Chase? Ah screw it, I'm gonna go watch Big Love and watch the hijinks.

I now have an urge to pee in the sink.

My wife found it particularly annoying that ol' Bruce went and got himself a stepstool just to do it.

[TheManeMan]

guys guys...dont turn this into a Big Love thread...:chairhit:

[Old Dude]

guys guys...dont turn this into a Big Love thread...:chairhit:

Sorry about that.

[Pezman]

I now have an urge to pee in the sink.

My wife found it particularly annoying that ol' Bruce went and got himself a stepstool just to do it.

So is it just me or is Roman's wifes the scariest bunch of women.... oh wait, must...stop...urge...to...talk...big...love Ha!

Slap, you're right on about the Russian. It was a fish out of water story and I would be stunned if they ever did revisit it. And for the record, the frozen mustard and ketchup packet scene might be one of those all-time comedy gold moments in Sopranos history.

Where the hell are they going with the Vito story? I dont mind the drama and his struggles, but to monopolize three episodes with this stuff? Cmon, send out someone to snuff him please so we can move on to the impending Phil Leotardo stuff.

I admit, I miss the thrill of Tony's crew getting into a near civil war that they teased earlier this season. Here's to hoping they turn up the heat with Bobby and Paulie this week.

[Old Dude]

....
Slap, you're right on about the Russian. It was a fish out of water story and I would be stunned if they ever did revisit it. And for the record, the frozen mustard and ketchup packet scene might be one of those all-time comedy gold moments in Sopranos history.
...


Supposedly, when the whole series comes to a conclusion, there's talk of making a theatrical release. I can see the Russian coming back then, "Revenge of Khan" style.

[B-Love]

Did anyone else notice the changing AJ hair length from scene to scene last night.

AJ's hair went from long to short, back to longer in 3 consecutive scenes.

I was stunned to see the Sopranos allow this obvious glitch.

[heydensmom]

I kind of noticed that too....but he did get a hair cut, (thank gawd), but I think it was the different camera angles.

[broncsyanks]

i have to say i have been a loyal supportter of this show for the past years. I started this season with a gripe that they are holding out the last 6 episodes for the following year. But I have to say aside from the episode when junior shot Tony - i thought this season really blows!! They changed writers. This show has gone away from the whole mafia "business" family etc to this show about homos. Its a shame i thought last years ending set up for a great season and after the tony shot episode this has become rediculous. Am I the only one that feels this way? or am I missing something here? I am curious to hear other fans comments on this season

[brncs_fan]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=39238

[manchambo]

I think the fact you could call it a "show about homos" because one element of the plot now involves Vito's homosexulaity reveals that you are blinded to the rest of the show by your prejudice. Eventually Vito will get killed for his homo-ness, and I expect you will be happy again.

[broncsyanks]

guy i am not blinded by prejudice. i just think there is more to offer then that subplot and it is taking to much time away from developing the great potential that the show has. I hope the moderators please delete this thread because i just found out there was another thread about this topic.

thanks

[-Slap-]

guy i am not blinded by prejudice. i just think there is more to offer then that subplot and it is taking to much time away from developing the great potential that the show has. I hope the moderators please delete this thread because i just found out there was another thread about this topic.

thanks
Much like Vito, the mods sometimes get the urge to merge.

[heydensmom]

lmao old dude

[manchambo]

That's one thing I don't like about the Vito subplot. He is a disgusting individual, yet he seems to have all these guys lusting after him. That's pretty hard to believe.

[Tyrant]

But tonight's episode really

SUCKED.


And only three episodes left?!? **** better start hitting the fan.

Let's review, shall we?

Vito: Not that there's anything wrong with it, but the whole gay thing is cutting into prime killing time.

A Kinder Gentler Tony: Just hurry up and bang the ER chick already.

Christopher: I liked you better when you were high. Tonight was a nice start.

Paulie: Whore of a mom...now you have cancer. BORING

Phil: We all know you going to die...just make sure it's bloody.

Anthony Junior: Words cannot describe how much you annoy me.

Meadow: You can save this show...just get naked and all will be forgiven.

Ok, sorry, just had to vent.

[Lev Vyvanse]

Ok I'll do it
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=39238&highlight=Sopranos

[Pezman]

Well, at long last, the story is beginning to take shape. We see the crumbling end of Johnny Sack's reign as New York's boss and the mob picking through the remains of his life like corkroaches. It will be interesting to see what will become of Philly now that he has graduated to full on boss. Something tells me we still havent seen the end of the NY vs NJ mob war.

And you still heard it here first, my earlier prediction in this very thread of Vito going postal on Finn still stands. I see some revenge coming at long last with this story (thank god).

I'm suprised with the cancer storyline for Paulie Walnuts. I wonder how they are going to incorporate his story into the fold with so few episodes left.

[heydensmom]

I think they are now starting to set up for the final 6 (wasn't). I agree it's starting to get good.

[B-Love]

Salami from "The White Shadow" is directing many of the episodes. Salami defined bad acting.

Talk about a career re-birth.

[Sodak]

I would have liked to see Margulies' nipples at least. Oh, did I just type that?

[broncsyanks]

sorry but i feel this is a horrible season and there is so much potential. This vito thing is real boring and is taking away from so many otehr plots that can get better. johnny sack ending was great. suprised that tony didnt have those thugs get wacked. Nothing is happening and its all coming down to next episode. it seems the trailers are better then the shows!

[KipCorrington25]

sorry but i feel this is a horrible season and there is so much potential. This vito thing is real boring and is taking away from so many otehr plots that can get better. johnny sack ending was great. suprised that tony didnt have those thugs get wacked. Nothing is happening and its all coming down to next episode. it seems the trailers are better then the shows!

What? You didn't find half an episode dedicated to Janice's kid riding on the twirly whirl exciting?

[broncsyanks]

What? You didn't find half an episode dedicated to Janice's kid riding on the twirly whirl exciting?

LMFAO!!

Great post. or personally i will never forget the coma dream of tony being a salesman

[-Slap-]

Long article on the Vito the Fag storyline.

How Gay Is Vito? (http://www.observer.com/20060522/20060522_Sara_Vilkomerson_pageone_observatory.asp)

http://www.observer.com/images/featureimages051706/COVER.jpg

The Sopranos Plot That Dare Not Speak Its Friggin’ Name, Joe Gannascoli Spotted Gay Mob Story Then, Bottom-Bing! Gandolfini’s Offer, Refused: ‘You Want Me to Talk to Chase?’

By Sara Vilkomerson

Last week, the actor Joseph Ganna-scoli—who, as Vito on The Sopranos, is living out this television season’s only great tragic love story—was tooling around Lynbrook, Long Island, in a new silver Mercedes R350 with a back seat filled with flowering plants. He was wearing a Giants sweatshirt and sneakers, and was taking a reporter on a tour through his neighborhood’s quiet maze of split-level houses and manicured, postage-stamp lawns. He pulled up in front of an unassuming two-story white house, which he and his wife, Diana, moved into last August—the first house the actor has owned, after letting go of a rent-controlled apartment in his old stomping ground of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, after 25 years.

Mr. Gannascoli, who at 47 is still a large man even after losing 160 pounds, removed the plants from the back of the Mercedes and hung them carefully off the branches of a tree on the front lawn. He was stepping gingerly after undergoing hip surgery five weeks earlier. He proudly pointed out some yard work: a mosaic-tiled bird bath and, plunked down in the grass, a large boulder that he thinks looks like a bear. Looking at the boulder, he paused and said, “How long till they write ‘fag’ on it?”

For these days, Mr. Gannascoli is known to Sopranos watchers as “Gay Vito” (or even GaVito, in certain exotic circles). Vito’s reluctant coming-out story line has locked up more Monday-morning chatter than all of Bill Paxton’s polygamist wives and Desperate Housewives shenanigans combined. He is, simply put, a sensation.

There’s something about the sight of Mr. Gannascoli dancing gleefully in a biker’s cap in a leather bar, or going on the lam to a gay Shangri-La (in this case, “Live Free or Die” New Hampshire) and falling in love with the handsome mustached cook from the diner—“Johnny Cakes”—that have given TV viewers that rare feeling that they are watching something new. In the hyper-masculine world of organized crime, with its intricately nuanced male taboos—it’s O.K. to get misty-eyed at your daughter’s wedding, but it’s not O.K. to cry if the Feds are bundling you back to prison—Sopranos creator David Chase has introduced a character whose outsized vulnerability will surely force a defining choice for the gentler, back-from-a-coma Tony Soprano.

Sure, there have been plenty of gay characters on television before: wacky Jack from Will & Grace, or David, the fussy undertaker with the hot cop boyfriend on Six Feet Under. But the plight of Gay Vito has stirred up similar feelings to those viewers felt when they first tuned in on Sunday nights in 1999 to see a Prozac-popping Mafia boss spill his guts to his therapist. Now, seven years later, it’s a different big guy with a wife and kids—this one with a natural eye for antiques—that allows Mr. Chase to devilishly tickle the big underbelly of male bravado.

Mr. Gannascoli’s character, Vito Spatafore, was revealed as a closeted gay man when, at the end of last season, viewers spied his head come bobbing up from the lap of a security guard. The scene was more shocking than the stream of murders that pepper the show.

“I was on the wrong end of that blowjob,” Mr. Gannascoli laughed. He remembered when he first found out his character’s new sexual orientation. “They told me, ‘Don’t worry, you’re not dying … but you are blowin’ a guy.’ I was like, ‘Get the **** outta here—stop breakin’ balls!’”

IN FACT, IT WAS MR. GANNASCOLI who had initially brought up the idea of a gay mobster to the show’s writers during the filming of season three, after he’d read Murder Machine by Gene Mustain and Jerry Capeci, about an openly gay member of the Gambino crime family who was allowed to live because he was a good earner. The writers didn’t bite, but then, in 2003, newspapers reported that “Johnny Boy” D’Amato—a mob boss of the New Jersey DeCavalcante family—had been murdered because he was having sex with men. The writers contacted Mr. Gannascoli. “Then they were like, ‘What’s the name of that book?’ And I knew they were thinking about it,” he said.

Continued... (http://www.observer.com/20060522/20060522_Sara_Vilkomerson_pageone_observatory.asp)

[heydensmom]

Is tonight the season finale? Or is there 2 more?

[-Slap-]

Is tonight the season finale? Or is there 2 more?
I think there's two more counting tonight.

[Garcia Bronco]

damn...all hell broke loose in this one

[CBF1]

Good episode tonight... The season finale is going to be a real killer :)

Some funny lines towards vito tonight.

[hades]

At least there was some killing finally!

[Pezman]

Funniest moment of the entire season happened tonight when Phil "came out of the closet" to kill Vito. Classic! Tell me that wasnt about as funny as it gets. So long Vito, I sure hope it was worth coming home for that. At least poor Finn is safe from him at long last.

I swear the way they are foreshadowing Phil's reactions to all things gay that he has to be a closet gay himself. Anyone else notice alot of symbolism running rampant all through this episode like Carmela staring at the lights and Tony listening to Back in Black while getting some helmet?

It sounds like AJ is gonna run away in the season finale if I heard the preview right. Like we didnt know the dead-end kid wasnt gonna do something even more moronic then he already had. I swear he has to be a Nihilist the way he floats through life.

[BroncoBuff]

I hate to be a wet blanket, but I'm not sure they know what they want to do with this series ... the Carmela Paris thing seemed so disconnected, with Ro clamming up about Jackie Jr, etc... there was no resolution there, and I'll bet the Paris trip is barely mentioned in coming episodes.

I just think the long-term thread linkage - the important thread that held strings of episodes together in the first seasons - the plots and characters - is missing the past couple years.

The entire Tony/Carmela separation angle was very strange and regrettable from a long-term writing perspective imo ... and Tony's shooting and brush with "the other side" is basically ancient history already. I guess some of his indecision now as boss can be attributed to his "brush," but that could've been written in with his analyst - from dreams and guilt about p***Y or Mom or Adrianna. Even the Vito "Johnny Cakes" stuff was strange ... we were led to believe he was in love and wanted a new life. Then right away he's headed back to the city. What's up with that?

And now? We're headed back to the mattresses - where we probably shouldda been all along.

I'm just sayin' is all ....

[heydensmom]

I can't agree more. I have a feeling they are setting up something for the mini season. It's gotta be something. And yes it was nice to see some killin.

[Tyrant]

Vito
Janice
Anthony Junior

One down, two to go.

[freak6]

They said last night there is another 8 episodes following this season!!!

Did Tony ever throw that knife like it looked like he was doing in the preview?

My favorite part was when Paulie talked about how the thier ancestors must be looking down in pride.

Tony sees a shrink.

AJ is a pus.

Christopher goes to AA meetings.

Paulie is old and dying.

Whatshisname got shot in the face by some pre-teens.

Vito is homo.

[Old Dude]

Vito
Janice
Anthony Junior

One down, two to go.

Sounds good to me.

[Sodak]

I think we're all expecting this series to wrap up. To tie up the loose end and dead story lines neatly. But Buff is right, this thing is going to meander nowhere without any focus until it finally fades out.

[broncsyanks]

sad to say it they made the whole season already and they divided it up so they can extend it to next year, i fear because of the lack of story line this year that it will not tie up any loose ends and then we have to wait til next year to figure it out. a real crappy ending then. again i fear that, do not want it.

[-Slap-]

I think we're all expecting this series to wrap up. To tie up the loose end and dead story lines neatly. But Buff is right, this thing is going to meander nowhere without any focus until it finally fades out.
Well, they're not going to do anything drastic enough to jeopardize the future theatrical releases.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Boy, that was lame.

[Clockwork Orange]

All that build up and no payoff. Damn.

[elsid13]

Was that the last one tonight? AJ get a Dominican girlfriend and that it?

[Clockwork Orange]

Was that the last one tonight? AJ get a Dominican girlfriend and that it?

Last one this year. The final eight episodes are next year.

[clean]

AJ get a Dominican girlfriend and that it?

Dania Ramirez is my favorite part of season 6.

http://www.daniaramirez.net/

http://www.esquire.com/women/gallery/060601_mww_ramirez_main.html

http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=566

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/185/daniaramirezfatalbert015vq.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daniaramirezfatalbert015vq.jpg) http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6203/daniaramirezxmen3013cl.th.jpg (http://img225.imageshack.us/my.php?image=daniaramirezxmen3013cl.jpg)

[Breck Bronc]

At least it was funny. Phil Leotardo had some great lines tonight like the, "he thinks I look the the Shah of Iran" and "I'm going to try and take a ****."

I hate A.J. even more now that's he's got a girlfriend that's 10 years older than him who also has a kid. A.J. couldn't handle that Puerto Rican (Dominican?) chica, no way. They tried making A.J. seem like a good father-figure for the kid during the final Christmas scene. Ugh.

I thought season 6 was decent, but the two-year layoff raised expectations so high that they could never be met. This season definitely had some of the best one liners, IMO. The Vito storyline was probably overdone and A.J. had way too much screen time at the expense of Meadow. Julianna Margulies was a nice bonus, even as a crackhead -- Christopher certainly has some nice looking, dark haired beauties around him.