Denver and SanFran Trade?

[brother love]

I have heard the rumblings of a possible Lelie trade to SanFran if Lloyd got moved then this morning I picked this up on Footballguys.com in the Shark pool forum:

I have a friend who works inside the SF organization, says there's been an unusual amount of communication today between SF and Denver. Kevan Barlow was also spotted at the facility today with his agent. He said it's very starnge, but has the look of something about to go down

Anyone else hear anything about this?

[ro_50]

Kevan Barlow????

I dont want him here in Denver.

[backup qb]

This has been rumored for some time now. Lelie and the broncos have spoken out against this saying the reports were false. Of course, they have to say that, so who knows. I want no part of Barlow, though. In my opinion I can't see how denver can trade Lelie. It sounds as if TO will land elsewhere. It will be interesting.

[brother love]

I also dug this little tid bit up:

Player Spotlight: Kevan Barlow

Two springs ago, Mike Shanahan -- who knows a thing or two about running backs -- tabbed Pittsburgh tailback Kevan Barlow as the best back in the 2001 draft. Despite Shanahan’s kind words, Barlow was the 80th player taken, going to the Niners toward the end of round three.

You guys know what happens when Mike has a woody for a certain guy!!!

[Ratboy]

considering we'd probably want their first round pick, I don't see Barlow even being a factor.

[OrangeShadow]

i dont want barlow here at all. i say we stand pat

[baja]

Shanny tryed to sign barlow when he was a free agent two years ago but he reuped with SF

[rbackfactory80]

Andre Carter?

[elsid13]

Andre Carter?


Free agent

[plummershelper]

Rashaun Woods

[elsid13]

Rashaun Woods

*cough* bust *cough*

[rbackfactory80]

Free agent


Hmmm, thats right.

[eddie mac]

Here's why we wont be acquiring Barlow.

Base salaries, not to mention there's likely a few roster bonuses in there.
2006 2500000.00
2007 3250000.00
2008 4000000.00

[27atwater]

woods isn't a bust yet. he's only been in 2 years and he hasn't exactly had steve young tossing him the rock.

[Drek]

Yep, Barlow being seeing around the 49ers complex is more likely a push by the 49ers to restructure his deal, not to trade him.

[-Slap-]

Are we going to bring over Fred Beasley to kick his ass in the lockerroom periodically?

[elsid13]

Are we going to bring over Fred Beasley to kick his ass in the lockerroom periodically?

From my "sources", the answer is yes. Pat will also be streaming the ass kicking over the internet for a fee. It part of the "Plan" to expanded revenue. He trying to do it first before Danny Boy, or Jerry "I don't have a face lift" Jones figure it out.

[wabbit]

Shanahan has always been intrigued with underperformers who, in his thinking, have considerable abilities.

While I would be surprised to see the Broncos make a move for Barlow...once again, everything is on the table right now, or so I'm hearing.

The Broncos aren't just looking to upgrade here & add a player there.

Last year Shanahan said the team was a couple of players shy of the talent needed to get to a Super Bowl.

Right now, the general feeling is that the talent IS in place...with a tweak of two...and new additions just give that much more insurance this team can get where they want to go.

Only a few years ago, Mike said they ONLY way to build a consistent winner was through the draft.

It would seem that philosophy has changed...90 degrees.

[watermock]

We will be busy beavers for sure. Who knows. He seems injury prone to me.

[-Slap-]

From my "sources", the answer is yes. Pat will also be streaming the ass kicking over the internet for a fee. It part of the "Plan" to expanded revenue. He trying to do it first before Danny Boy, or Jerry "I don't have a face lift" Jones figure it out.
If the NFL ever starts broadcasting lockerroom throwdowns between teammates, you know I'm getting a season pass.

[TheDave]

Why the hell would San Fan trade it's only WR... Are they trying to lose all 16 games next year?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Why the hell would San Fan trade it's only WR... Are they trying to lose all 16 games next year?
I don't know but he's a Redskin now.

[TheDave]

I don't know but he's a Redskin now.

Yeah i know, The only WR worth a $hit on their team and a young struggling QB... yep lets trade him for a 3rd and a 4th next year. really pathetic

[elsid13]

Yeah i know, The only WR worth a $hit on their team and a young struggling QB... yep lets trade him for a 3rd and a 4th next year. really pathetic

Maybe they need to a buy a copy of "the Plan".

[watermock]

Vernon Davis anyone? Super Mario?

[Play2win]

*cough* bust *cough*
Is the Bust, in this case, the PLAYER or the ORGANIZATION?

[Ray Finkle]

Is the Bust, in this case, the PLAYER or the ORGANIZATION?

a lot of people here where high on him...I would take a chance...

[Play2win]

a lot of people here where high on him...I would take a chance...
I would, too, for the right price. He seem to run really nice routes...

[JCMElway]

Here's why we wont be acquiring Barlow.

Base salaries, not to mention there's likely a few roster bonuses in there.
2006 2500000.00
2007 3250000.00
2008 4000000.00

That would explain why he's at the 9er complex. They have to restructure his damn salary!

[JCMElway]

Vernon Davis anyone? Super Mario?

Either of them would make me very happy.

[bpc]

If I'm a smooth swindler, I find a way to make it happen that we trade for Abraham with our 29th pick, sign David Givens from the Patriots, and then swap our 22nd and Ashley to the 49ers for the #7 overall and decide what we want to do... have absolute beasts mauling the QB and add Mario Williams or give Jake the best TE prospect he has had since Shannon Sharpe with Vernon Davis.

[elsid13]

Is the Bust, in this case, the PLAYER or the ORGANIZATION?


How about both. Woods hasn't shown he worth a trade of Lelie at all. Lelie has lead league in yards per catch, and improved his blocking every year. Lelie shows that he belongs in the NFL. Woods was on the bubble to be cut last year. Woods was great college player but that it.

[sirhcyennek81]

If they trade Lelie for Woods, the 6th pick better be coming with him.

:Broncos:

[CBF1]

If they trade Lelie for Woods, the 6th pick better be coming with him.:

Do you believe Lelie has that kind of value move up to the number 6 pick in the draft? No way jose

[sirhcyennek81]

Do you believe Lelie has that kind of value move up to the number 6 pick in the draft? No way jose

Its not a matter of what I believe...but what San Fran believes...so yes. the 6th pick better be coming if we give lelie up for woods.

:Broncos:

[delany]

If I'm a smooth swindler, I find a way to make it happen that we trade for Abraham with our 29th pick, sign David Givens from the Patriots, and then swap our 22nd and Ashley to the 49ers for the #7 overall and decide what we want to do... have absolute beasts mauling the QB and add Mario Williams or give Jake the best TE prospect he has had since Shannon Sharpe with Vernon Davis.

That would be a dream off-season.

Mario Williams opposite of Courtney. Wow.

[bpc]

That would be a dream and if there was anybody who could pull it off, it would be Shanahan.

Nobody thought we would trade CP and considered us crazy for doing it. We would have to free up a little more wiggle room with the cap to pull it off but man... what an amazing set of pickups this would be.

I imagine we can trade for Abraham and sign him to a back loaded cap friendly number with a large bonus. If not, we can go option B and pick up Andre Carter or even make a play for Darren Howard.

Plan A: we trade for Abe, sign Givens or a quality FA WR would be a must because we would be 1 1st round draft pick down. In that scenario we could parlay the 1st round pick and Ash to the 9ers for the 6 over all pick. Then we take our choice of bringing in Mario Williams or Vernon Davis. Some people think this probably won't make sense... Courtney Brown, John Abraham AND Mario Williams? Well, last year was Courtney Brown's first season playing almost the whole year... I think he made it through 13 or 14 games. Williams of course is a rare talent who can step right in and be effective in the NFL. I'm not argueing with Davis either... that would be a great pick.

PLAN B: We keep our picks, don't trade for Abraham. Parlay Ash and the 22nd to SF for 6th overall selection. Definitely take Williams in that case to pair with CB and Ekuban. Stay at 29 and take the best possible WR and or TE. I'm not a fan of picking up WR's in this draft... I just don't think we develope them very well. Givens would fit us perfect might I add, I would totally be in favor of bringing him in.

Plan B says t

[plummershelper]

How about both. Woods hasn't shown he worth a trade of Lelie at all. Lelie has lead league in yards per catch, and improved his blocking every year. Lelie shows that he belongs in the NFL. Woods was on the bubble to be cut last year. Woods was great college player but that it.

The idea was never a straight up trade for the two. The idea was that Ash has value as does the 22nd pick. We could get the 6th pick with some additional consideration. Why not ask for something in return like Woods rather than a 5th or conditional pick next year?

[Clockwork Orange]

Allright, hang on a sec here.

First of all, Lelie by himself is not enough to move up 16 spots. Lelie & the 22nd pick is not going to get the Broncos the 6th pick. Denver would have to add more to sweeten the deal.

Second, Mario Williams likely won't be there at #6. All signs are pointing towards the Packers taking him at #5. So if he's not going to be there, why would the Broncos trade up?

This scenario doesn't add up. I can't see it happening. Lelie may get traded to the 49ers but I don't think the 6th pick will be involved. If they offered their 2nd rounder I'd take it and be thrilled.

[Borks147]

yummy, lelie and 22 for woods and 6? its never gonna happen but...oh man I'd take it an a heart beat

[TheDave]

sooooo who does jake throw the ball to this year if lelie is gone?

Rod and.....

[Borks147]

This scenario doesn't add up. I can't see it happening. Lelie may get traded to the 49ers but I don't think the 6th pick will be involved. If they offered their 2nd rounder I'd take it and be thrilled.

I wouldnt be thrilled. Who are we gonna take in the 2nd, another Watts? bah, keep Lelie in that case....

[Clockwork Orange]

yummy, lelie and 22 for woods and 6? its never gonna happen but...oh man I'd take it an a heart beat

Of course we'd all take that deal, it's seriously lopsided in our favor. I would hope that any Bronco fan in their right mind would take it. Unfortunately I can't see San Fran being stupid enough to pull that deal.

[Clockwork Orange]

I wouldnt be thrilled. Who are we gonna take in the 2nd, another Watts? bah, keep Lelie in that case....

Lelie is a free agent after this season and I honestly can't see him coming back. If they can get a high 2nd in a deep draft for him now, I'll take it.

[RhymesayersDU]

sooooo who does jake throw the ball to this year if lelie is gone?

Rod and.....
T.O.

[TheDave]

T.O.

ahhh so this pipe dream is based on the T.O. specualtion coming true... :peace:

[Borks147]

Lelie is a free agent after this season and I honestly can't see him coming back. If they can get a high 2nd in a deep draft for him now, I'll take it.

yeah I guess you're right, but then again this team isnt that far away from the super bowl, we don't need 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Lelie is the only guy that can really stretch the field for us, especially now that putz is gone. How do your propose to solve that problem (assuming no T.O. and especially since this years draft has no real wr burners like lelie)

[sirhcyennek81]

yeah I guess you're right, but then again this team isnt that far away from the super bowl, we don't need 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Lelie is the only guy that can really stretch the field for us, especially now that putz is gone. How do your propose to solve that problem (assuming no T.O. and especially since this years draft has no real wr burners like lelie)

Dude, I can't believe you said yummy.

:Broncos:

[Clockwork Orange]

yeah I guess you're right, but then again this team isnt that far away from the super bowl, we don't need 2 firsts and 2 seconds. Lelie is the only guy that can really stretch the field for us, especially now that putz is gone. How do your propose to solve that problem (assuming no T.O. and especially since this years draft has no real wr burners like lelie)

Actually, there are some pretty good burners in this years draft. While the class is pretty thin overall, Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes and Sinorice Moss are all deep threats.

[Borks147]

Actually, there are some pretty good burners in this years draft. While the class is pretty thin overall, Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes and Sinorice Moss are all deep threats.

the only one I really like is chad jackson, who will be gone by our picks. I don't think Plummer has the vision to get the ball to moss and I don't know much about holmes (I know he used to be rated the number 1 wr in the draft, but now I have no idea)

[sirhcyennek81]

Santonio Holmes is still the best overall prospect coming into the NFL this year at WR. Jackson tho, is intriguing. Mike Haas, David Anderson, Jackson, Holmes. Productive receivers who could get playing time early enough. I still think the Broncos make a move in the mid rounds for a punt returner, like a Jeremy Bloom.

:Broncos:

[Play2win]

Actually, there are some pretty good burners in this years draft. While the class is pretty thin overall, Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes and Sinorice Moss are all deep threats.
I would not be adversed to get Sinorice Moss in the 2nd. Those type of WR's are getting highly successful right now in the NFL because of the DB-WR-Contact rule...

[Clockwork Orange]

the only one I really like is chad jackson, who will be gone by our picks. I don't think Plummer has the vision to get the ball to moss and I don't know much about holmes (I know he used to be rated the number 1 wr in the draft, but now I have no idea)

The only reason Holmes isn't still the #1 rated receiver in the draft is because Chad Jackson ran a 4.38 40 at the combine.

[brother love]

Holmes isn't all that! I witnessed him first hand having trouble getting open against Anwar Phillips of Penn State. He is only the second best receiver on his team. Jackson put up fewer numbers but that was because of Florida's new offensive scheme. Jackson will be a better pro!

[27atwater]

Holmes isn't all that! I witnessed him first hand having trouble getting open against Anwar Phillips of Penn State. He is only the second best receiver on his team. Jackson put up fewer numbers but that was because of Florida's new offensive scheme. Jackson will be a better pro!


wow. how can 1 person be SOOOO wrong. Holmes is twice the player choker jackson is. how is holmes only the 2nd best on his team? cuz he had more yards or many more TDs that the 1 dimensional Ginn? cmon man. one game vs PSU when the QB was running for his life does not make a career.

[SoCalBronco]

Neither of them deserve to be a 1st round pick. In fact, no WR in this draft does.

[TheDave]

here is a sampling of the braintrust on 49er board

http://mb16.scout.com/f49ersfansfrm11.showMessage?topicID=5909.topic

[Wes Mantooth]

Haas has hands of glue. He should be available in the 3rd and would be cheap. He is always open and always comes down with the ball. On a bad OSU team, he was a consistent stud.

[Borks147]

Haas has hands of glue. He should be available in the 3rd and would be cheap. He is always open and always comes down with the ball. On a bad OSU team, he was a consistent stud.

is this the guy being compared to eddie?

[Clockwork Orange]

is this the guy being compared to eddie?

I don't think he's anywhere near the same size as McCaffrey.

[Headless Hessian Rider]

here is a sampling of the braintrust on 49er board

http://mb16.scout.com/f49ersfansfrm11.showMessage?topicID=5909.topic

yeah only a brainless denver front office manager would do this trade below, ok maybe the faders or the queefs would do that....


Posted: 2/9/06 6:38:27 pm
Re: The perfect trade for the 49ers
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I love the trade proposal. Great idea but I dont think we would have to throw in our 2nd rounder. That is a very valuable pick and I would hate to be picking so late in each round. I also think now that Cromartie is healthy he is far and away the best corner available. He wont last past pick 15.

How about:

Denver gets:

6th overall and RB Kevan Barlow

SF gets:

22nd overall, the 29th overall, the 87th overall and WR- Ashley Lelie.

22- BOBBY CARPENTER (OLB) - OHIO STATE
Arguably th ebest 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft.
29- DOMINIQUE BRYD (TE) - USC
One of the best pass recieving TE's available. Senior bowl really boosted his stock.
37- DARRYL TAPP (OLB) - V.Tech
Great coverage for a big guy. He will bring the heat as an OLB in the 3-4.
68- MAURICE DREW (RB) - UCLA
Great back for the WCO
87- GERRIS WILKINSON (MLB) - GEORGIA TECH
Great fit for the inside of our defence.

lough my arse out LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

[elsid13]

is this the guy being compared to eddie?


No he about 5-11, and he good route runner. Eddie Mac had better size and speed then him. The question is his speed good enough to allow him to play on Sundays.

[-Slap-]

here is a sampling of the braintrust on 49er board

http://mb16.scout.com/f49ersfansfrm11.showMessage?topicID=5909.topic
Hey, they're dumber than we are.

[BroncoBuff]

Trade Ash to SF .... fine. Pardon me if I don't get weepy over the prospect
of losing Lelie. He wouldn't know where "between the hashmarks" was if you
drew him a map.

Then sign TO.

Then sign Putzier.

Then sign Andre Carter.

Then to the draft! If we're really lucky, Chad Jackson and Tamba Hali.

[eddie mac]

So they're basically looking 2 1sts, a 2nd (Lelie's est value) and a 3rd for a **** RB and No6. Go fvck yourselves 69ers!!

[Rascal]

Allright, hang on a sec here.

First of all, Lelie by himself is not enough to move up 16 spots. Lelie & the 22nd pick is not going to get the Broncos the 6th pick. Denver would have to add more to sweeten the deal.


I tried saying that the first time when the trade talks came up and I was told I was an idiot and not a good fan (not really but basically that's what was implied).

[RunYouOver26]

I think we really need to get this done...I think we'd be better off with Chad Jackson as our #2 next year than Ashley Lelie....let's get what we can for him, especially in this draft.:thumbsup:

[SoCalBronco]

I think we'd be better off with Chad Jackson as our #2 next year than Ashley Lelie

Well at least you have a sense of humor. :)

[Rascal]

I think we really need to get this done...I think we'd be better off with Chad Jackson as our #2 next year than Ashley Lelie....let's get what we can for him, especially in this draft.:thumbsup:

:spit:

Hilarious!

[Ratboy]

I agree with the 2 posts above mine..

[labronco]

what's this talk about trading lelie? i don't see anyone in this draft that can spread the field like lelie. lelie may never be a number one receiver, but as number 2, he is as good as there is, a clutch receiver.

i like mario williams as much as anybody. but even niners don't think he will come out of top 5. even if he would last to niners' 6th pick, i am not sure about giving lelie up with our two late firsts. we need some help with WR spot as it is.

[RunYouOver26]

I think we really need to get this done...I think we'd be better off with Chad Jackson as our #2 next year than Ashley Lelie....let's get what we can for him, especially in this draft.:thumbsup:


I shouldn'tve left it like that,

I meant we'd be better off having Chad Jackson, if we choose to draft him, for the future, than keeping Lelie.

[BroncoBuff]

I'm no Ash fan, but Chad Jackson is NOT better than him already ...

[SoCalBronco]

I'm no Ash fan, but Chad Jackson is NOT better than him already ...

Youve talked about a lack of "going over the middle" when talking about Lelie. How would you like to see a player going alligator arms or doing baseball slides to avoid hits.


Because thats what youll get with Jackson.

[labronco]

hey, socal. i don't want to start a new thread with this idea because i like dj. but don't you think he'll be a good trade bait for mario williams? i think dj's just wasting his talent with gold here.

[SoCalBronco]

hey, socal. i don't want to start a new thread with this idea because i like dj. but don't you think he'll be a good trade bait for mario williams? i think dj's just wasting his talent with gold here.

I agree. As I have said earlier, I dont believe we are efficient with both of them. Trading Gold is the best option (although cap hit issues probably preclude that), the next best option is trading DJ and the worst option is keeping both, given that whatever either of their talent level and overall value is to a ball club is, it is undoubtedly higher than what they are providing for the team right now given our circumstances. When both are on the field, one of them will be out of position and therefore not put in the best situation so that they can help the team. And one will not be on the field about half the time. This is not an efficient arrangement. The argument that having both makes us more "versatile" in the regard that unlike 2004, teams cant scheme their way into a mismatch on Donnie, strains credulity given that both of them will be on the field only half the time anyway.

I agree with your thoughts here, although I would prefer Gold to be the one that is traded. But as between keeping both or trading DJ, I would go with the latter.

[labronco]

DJ obviously has better trade value than Gold. Plus, Shannahan is in love with Gold, bringing him back after he drafted DJ who I thought played as good as anybody as a rookie.

I don't know if Greenbay, NYJ, or Tennessee would be interested in DJ. The bigger question is if the Broncos will consider trading him.

And Mario will not last till SF pick according to the SF media.

[Clockwork Orange]

Looks like the 49ers are exploring other options.

49ers | Team visiting with Bryant
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:04:56 -0800

Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports free agent WR Antonio Bryant (Browns) is in San Francisco visiting with the San Francisco 49ers. ESPN.com's John Clayton adds the two sides are trying to reach a contract agreement.

[labronco]

Looks like the 49ers are exploring other options.

49ers | Team visiting with Bryant
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:04:56 -0800

Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports free agent WR Antonio Bryant (Browns) is in San Francisco visiting with the San Francisco 49ers. ESPN.com's John Clayton adds the two sides are trying to reach a contract agreement.

Good for us. We need Lelie. WR crop is weak in this draft.