Broncos are currently $12.5m under the cap

[eddie mac]

If Warren goes it's $20.2m.

Now if there's no cash over cap restrictions and a rookie pool of $3-$4m if we keep our two 1st rounders there should be more than enough to sign 4-5 decent FA's inc Warren and re-sign Dayne, Burns, Leach and Veal.

We have holes at DE, DT, S and WR, we also will need another RB and 1-2 Offensive Linemen. We'll have at least 7 picks in the first 4 rds of a very deep draft as well.

Any thoughts on who Shanahan will go for apart from the hooligans we've already been linked with???

[Gcver2ver3]

If Warren goes it's $20.2m.

Now if there's no cash over cap restrictions and a rookie pool of $3-$4m if we keep our two 1st rounders there should be more than enough to sign 4-5 decent FA's inc Warren and re-sign Dayne, Burns, Leach and Veal.

We have holes at DE, DT, S and WR, we also will need another RB and 1-2 Offensive Linemen. We'll have at least 7 picks in the first 4 rds of a very deep draft as well.

Any thoughts on who Shanahan will go for apart from the hooligans we've already been linked with???



i thought we were about 1million under before restructuring courtney brown?

then i read we saved about 5 mil resructuring brown and then a cba deal done added about 8 mil to the cap....

that adds to about 14 mil to me......

i wouldn't doubt that i am wrong....but can you kinda recap how we got to the 12.5 number?

[Ratboy]

:~ohyah!:

[ChampBailey24]

cause of the new cbs deal

[Clockwork Orange]

Sundquist is a man of his word. He said that the Broncos would be in the best cap shape they've been in in years this offseason and here we are. :)

[CBF1]

Yeah we are sitting pretty good, but quite a number of other teams are sitting with more cap room than us. I just hope that the chance at winning the Super Bowl gets some of the key free agents to sign with Denver for less. TO are you listening?

[eddie mac]

I was actually doubting him but we'd never have gotten there without cutting Pryce, Anderson and Putzier, those cuts alone saved $15m

[Mtbrncofn]

TO are you listening?


If you are....quit it. ;D

[Dagmar]

http://brettandshannon.com/brett/uploaded_images/Ricky-782082-728418.jpg
:peace:

[eddie mac]

i thought we were about 1million under before restructuring courtney brown?

then i read we saved about 5 mil resructuring brown and then a cba deal done added about 8 mil to the cap....

that adds to about 14 mil to me......

i wouldn't doubt that i am wrong....but can you kinda recap how we got to the 12.5 number?

Klis was quoted this morning stating we're very close to $5m under the cap after Brown's extension. The extension of the CBA increased the cap from $94.5m to $102m so that's how we get $12.5m

[Lestat]

edit:

scratch what i said before, my guess is Andre Carter,Damione Lewis & a RB

[eddie mac]

I dont want to give up a 1st rd pick for Abraham, if we could get him for a 2nd and a 4th then yes.

Owens I'm 50-50 on, rather have Moulds, Jurevicius or Bryant
Like to see us make a play for Archuleta or Chavous cant see it though because we already have 3 safeties on the books with Brandon re-signing.

I absolutely want Warren back but not at the cost of getting another FA in.

[El Guapo]

perfect to bring in TO, Culpepper, and j. Lewis. :wave:

[Dagmar]

perfect to bring in TO, Culpepper, and j. Lewis. :wave:
YES!
No!!!!!
Ricky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:welcome:

[Gcver2ver3]

Klis was quoted this morning stating we're very close to $5m under the cap after Brown's extension. The extension of the CBA increased the cap from $94.5m to $102m so that's how we get $12.5m



that's cool....

i thought we were already 1mil under before brown's deal....

but in any event...it just looks like i'm rounding up too much....

[bpc]

I would say holes at DE should be used loosely. We still have Brown, Ekuban, and Engelberger along with that young kid from the practice squad. I think we have a need there but I don't know if I would call it a hole. Then again if you have the chance to bring in John Abraham, a team should do it.

I would agree with the hole at DT.

I wouldn't agree with a hole being at S or WR.

I think we have a hole at HB and we need to fill that. Same can be said for TE. We either need to resign Gerard Warren or bring in somebody who can do what he did. Sam Adams for a year rental?

If I could plug in missing pieces this is what I would do...

1. Sign Jamal Lewis
2. Re-Sign Gerard Warren
3. Trade for John Abraham
4. Draft best player available at 22. I'm figuring it will be Brodrick Bunkley, Gabe Watson, Tamba Hali, Vernon Davis or Chad Jackson,
5. If Davis falls through, take Pope at 29.

Revamped team would look like this...

QB: Plummer
HB: J LEWIS
FB: Johnson
WR: Smith, Ashley, JACKSON (its looking more and more like us although I would rather invest draft picks into the lines.)
TE: POPE
OL: Lepsis, Foster, Carlisle, Hamilton, Nalen
DL: ABRAHAM, Brown, Warren, Meyers (i'm more in favor or investing in our DLINE then in Jackson but I don't know if it will go that way. Plus, round 2 is going to have some talented DT's in it compared with where the WR position will be. We could get Rodrique Wright in round 2.
LB: Gold, Williams, Wilson
DB: Champ, Darent, Lynch, Ferguson/Brandon

We got a chance to improve through this offseason and I have no doubt we will.

[Gcver2ver3]

this was on foxsports today....

http://msn.foxsports.com/name/FS/rumors

Broncos have money to burn

Denver Post
The Post's Mike Klis reports that the Broncos may have enough salary cap room to pursue the likes of Terrell Owens, John Abraham, Edgerrin James and Jamal Lewis.

[spdirty]

Can we get TO, Will Shields, and John Abraham with 12.5 mil?

We don't need a top name big money fa

[Lestat]

hmm, ya know Edge would look mighty sweet in a Broncos uni, he'll cost like a mother but he'd be perfect for the Broncos scheme

[Clockwork Orange]

Can we get TO, Will Shields, and John Abraham with 12.5 mil?

We don't need a top name big money fa

Shields likely won't be cut now that the CBA is done and the cap went up.

[El Guapo]

YES!
No!!!!!
Ricky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:welcome:


;D

[spdirty]

I would say holes at DE should be used loosely. We still have Brown, Ekuban, and Engelberger along with that young kid from the practice squad. I think we have a need there but I don't know if I would call it a hole. Then again if you have the chance to bring in John Abraham, a team should do it.

I would agree with the hole at DT.

I wouldn't agree with a hole being at S or WR.

I think we have a hole at HB and we need to fill that. Same can be said for TE. We either need to resign Gerard Warren or bring in somebody who can do what he did. Sam Adams for a year rental?

If I could plug in missing pieces this is what I would do...

1. Sign Jamal Lewis
2. Re-Sign Gerard Warren
3. Trade for John Abraham
4. Draft best player available at 22. I'm figuring it will be Brodrick Bunkley, Gabe Watson, Tamba Hali, Vernon Davis or Chad Jackson,
5. If Davis falls through, take Pope at 29.

Revamped team would look like this...

QB: Plummer
HB: J LEWIS
FB: Johnson
WR: Smith, Ashley, JACKSON (its looking more and more like us although I would rather invest draft picks into the lines.)
TE: POPE
OL: Lepsis, Foster, Carlisle, Hamilton, Nalen
DL: ABRAHAM, Brown, Warren, Meyers (i'm more in favor or investing in our DLINE then in Jackson but I don't know if it will go that way. Plus, round 2 is going to have some talented DT's in it compared with where the WR position will be. We could get Rodrique Wright in round 2.
LB: Gold, Williams, Wilson
DB: Champ, Darent, Lynch, Ferguson/Brandon

We got a chance to improve through this offseason and I have no doubt we will.

I like that, only replace Lewis with Dayne/Bell, and add TO. Just my opinion though.

[broncohaven]

Schefter is reporting that TO is likely to end up in Dallas.

[spdirty]

Shields likely won't be cut now that the CBA is done and the cap went up.

darn.

[spdirty]

Schefter is reporting that TO is likely to end up in Dallas.


But that doesn't make sense! Why would the Eagles let him go to a division rival? I'd think theyd trade him to an AFC team for a box of cracker jacks before they let him go to Dallas. Could happen though.

[Gcver2ver3]

I would say holes at DE should be used loosely. We still have Brown, Ekuban, and Engelberger along with that young kid from the practice squad. I think we have a need there but I don't know if I would call it a hole. Then again if you have the chance to bring in John Abraham, a team should do it.

I would agree with the hole at DT.

I wouldn't agree with a hole being at S or WR.

I think we have a hole at HB and we need to fill that. Same can be said for TE. We either need to resign Gerard Warren or bring in somebody who can do what he did. Sam Adams for a year rental?

If I could plug in missing pieces this is what I would do...

1. Sign Jamal Lewis
2. Re-Sign Gerard Warren
3. Trade for John Abraham
4. Draft best player available at 22. I'm figuring it will be Brodrick Bunkley, Gabe Watson, Tamba Hali, Vernon Davis or Chad Jackson,
5. If Davis falls through, take Pope at 29.

Revamped team would look like this...

QB: Plummer
HB: J LEWIS
FB: Johnson
WR: Smith, Ashley, JACKSON (its looking more and more like us although I would rather invest draft picks into the lines.)
TE: POPE
OL: Lepsis, Foster, Carlisle, Hamilton, Nalen
DL: ABRAHAM, Brown, Warren, Meyers (i'm more in favor or investing in our DLINE then in Jackson but I don't know if it will go that way. Plus, round 2 is going to have some talented DT's in it compared with where the WR position will be. We could get Rodrique Wright in round 2.
LB: Gold, Williams, Wilson
DB: Champ, Darent, Lynch, Ferguson/Brandon

We got a chance to improve through this offseason and I have no doubt we will.


good take...

i say we do this:

sign T.O.

trade #29 pick for abraham (we could only afford this in a sign and trade)

sign ricky (if available) or sign jamal lewis

draft stud d-lineman with 1st round pick...

i think we can afford to do this depending on how much jamal lewis is looking to make

[Orange_Beard]

Who ever is running our cap show get a FAT bonus.
AFC west champs adding 3 "big" starters, WOW

[SportinOne]

I don't think Warren is going to make 8 Mil this year.. he may have made that last year, but if he re signs he will make much less this year... first years of contracts are always low.

[bpc]

I didn't factor in the 1st for Abraham... as that is... we still can add two high impact guys with our #1's.

[bpc]

As a Broncos fan, I love this time of year. The 2nd place chiefs are sitting on thier hands after missing the playoffs... Denver which was 13-3 is actively getting better. I think we already have and we haven't even signed anybody yet.

Revised wish list...

I'll take Pope, Davis, Watson or Bunkley in round 1, trade for Abraham, pick up Jam Lewis and resign Warren.

[yavoon]

Who ever is running our cap show get a FAT bonus.
AFC west champs adding 3 "big" starters, WOW

we haven't added anyone yet.

[bpc]

OKAY. Another adjustment... IF I WAS THE FRONT OFFICE I WOULD GO FOR THESE THREE MOVES.

1. Make signing LaCharles Bently a priority. This guy is a beast. He would add an intensity to our running game that we haven't seen, plus, he would get Foster's ass in line. I would love to see this happen but it won't. I can always dream.

L. Bentley PROFILE:

Bentley is a very good athlete who has the versatility to play either guard or center and he has valuable experience at both positions. He has very good foot quickness and he takes a good quick first step and he takes good angles to his blocks. He has the quickness to be effective getting to the second level and blocking a moving target as well as the speed to pull and lead the toss play. He has very good strength in his upper and lower body and he shows that he is capable of getting movement on the line of scrimmage in the run game. He has a powerful punch and he plays with a bit of a mean streak. He plays with good intelligence and he does a good job of picking up line stunts and twists and he plays with good bent knees. He shows that he is capable in pass protection and he anchors very well versus a strong bull rush that used to give him problems early in his career. He can mirror and slide with a defender and he doesn't lose many battles one on one. He excels at cut off blocks and when he can block back with an angle and he plays with excellent balance and a good base. He will occasionally miss with his hand placement and he may get overextended at times trying to be aggressive but overall he is a very reliable center who makes very few mistakes.

2. Instead of signing TO, sing JOE JURIVICIOUS!

Joe Jurivicious: Jurevicius is an 8 year veteran who is coming off his best year as pro in 2005. He is a possession receiver that has excellent size, strength and athletic ability. He is a smart, tough, physical receiver who can read coverages and find the open area. He has great hands, excellent concentration on the ball and he uses his big frame to shield off defenders. He has good body control and he does a great job of going up and catching the ball. He is a good route runner and he can find the soft spot in the zone. He can make the hard catch and he fearless about going over the middle and catching the ball in traffic. He is an excellent red zone receiver who can out jump and out muscle smaller DBs. He does not have burner speed but he has enough speed so he can hurt you running with the ball after the catch. He is a willing blocker but he is more willing than he is a blocker. He does not take great angles and he needs to more consistent in this area. Overall, Jurevicius has made sort of comeback after the last two seasons filled with injuries. He is 31 and if he stays healthy he should have several more productive years left. He is a good football player who finds away to get it done.

3. FIND A HALFBACK AT ANY COST: This is our chance to steal the Champ trade as if we haven't already. We have a chance to land a very good back for three or four years with Edge or Jamal. You all know how I feel... Jamal would look amazing in Orange and Blue. Edge would do nicely. Bottom Line is we need a stud back for the playoffs.

I also really like Najeh Davenport's talent. I would love to see Denver attempt to bring him and Lewis in.

If we choose to go in house with Dayne and Bell... I would hope we bring in some other guys to challenge. Davenport would be nice and even see what is going on with Bennett from Minnesota. High potential guys that have floundered a bit but could hit their rhythem in Denver.

EDGE: James has a great combination of power and speed as a running back. He runs with a low pad level and he is rarely knocked back when he runs between the tackles. He has a good forward lean as he runs. He has the speed to turn the corner on the toss play or to break to the outside once he has broken the line of scrimmage. He has great vision and he is able to see the cut back lanes and he shows great patience in waiting for an opening and he shows great acceleration to hit the hole. He has excellent instincts as a running back and he has the elusiveness to make the first tackler miss. Rarely does the first tackler get him on the ground. He has great balance and he can get the tough yards after being hit. He has excellent hands and the focus and concentration to be a reliable receiver out of the backfield. He can make the catch in his hands away from his body and he shows that he can make the difficult catch over his shoulder. He runs good routes and he shows that he has good awareness in attacking both zone and man to man coverage. When called upon in pass protection he is aggressive and has good explosiveness as a blocker. He is the perfect fit for the one back offense as he can split out of the backfield and line up as a wide receiver. He is a threat with the ball in his hands after the catch. Much has been made of the knee injury he suffered however he continues to have the same production as before the injury. He may have lost a step or two as a breakaway threat but he is still a dangerous ball carrier. He tends to put the ball on the ground too often and he has to take better care of the ball. Durability has become an issue as he has missed playing time due to various injuries.

Jamal: Lewis is a running back who has a very good combination of power and speed. He has excellent strength and he runs with a low pad level and he uses his forearms and his shoulders very well to ward off tacklers. He has outstanding balance and he runs with a good forward lean and he rarely gets knocked back. He has good vision and he shows very good patience in letting a play develop and he has the ability to see and hit the cut back lanes. He is an exceptional runner from tackle to tackle. He has above average speed and he can surprise you when he gets into the secondary and he has good elusiveness and the ability to make people miss when he breaks through the line of scrimmage. With his size and power he can wear down defenders over the course of a game and he has proven capable of taking hits and staying in the game. As a pass protector he is willing however he lacks the lateral movement and technique and he is inconsistent in his blocking ability. He has good hands and he is capable of catching the ball away from his body however he has lapses in focus and concentration and tends to drop some easy catches. He lacks awareness in running routes and he does not adjust well to the ball while it is in the air. He tends to miss assignments in the blocking phase of the game and there is some question as to whether he prepares at the level that is expected. Overall, he is a very aggressive inside runner who shows good toughness and is reliable to pick up tough yards

Davenport: Davenport has played both running back and fullback and he gives adequate depth at both positions. He has good size, strength and power. He does not have great outside speed and he is more of a tackle to tackle runner. He does not posses ideal running back skills. He does not have acceleration or a burst and he is not elusive and he has only adequate change of direction skills. He lacks ideal vision, he does not always see the hole and he will run into the pile. He is more of a straight line runner who is going to lower his shoulders, get you the tough yards inside and when he gets going he is tough to bring down. As a pass receiver out of the backfield, he has the ability to catch the ball but he is inconsistent. He will drop some catchable balls. He is not a discipline route runner and he is not a threat to take it to the house after he catches the ball. He is a willing blocker on pass protection but he lacks good technique and awareness. He does a decent job squaring you up, he has a good hat level but he is not explosive at contact and he does not deliver a good punch. He does not always see his blitz pick-up responsibility and he lacks good instinct for the passing game. Overall, Davenport provides good depth at the RB and FB position. He is a good change of pace runner. He needs to improve his overall contribution in the passing game.

Bennett: Bennett is somewhat undersized to play the running back position lacking the ideal height. He has a very compact build and he has exceptional foot quickness and excellent speed. He shows that he has good vision and he has the patience to let the play develop in front of him. When he has an opening he has the ability to give a burst and he has the stop and start capabilities to get out of some tight situations. He has the speed to be able to turn the corner consistently on the toss play and he can break a play to the outside once he is through the line of scrimmage. He has very good elusiveness when he gets into the secondary and he shows that he has the ability to make people miss. He runs with a good low pad level however his style is not so much to try to run over you as it is to make you miss. He is somewhat of a liability in short yardage and goal line situations when he has to put his shoulder down and get the tough yards. He has adequate hands and he can catch the ball away from his body and he is a threat when he gets the ball in space. He has the running ability to create mis matches with linebackers and some defensive backs. As a blocker in pass protection his size is a limiting factor and even though he has good position and is willing he will get run over too often. It is best not to put him into those situations and use him as an outlet and screen kind of guy. He has missed a lot of playing time because of injuries and the big problem facing him is to stay healthy over the long haul.

[clint7]

OKAY. Another adjustment...

You've exceeded your allotted adjustments for one thread. ;D

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

OKAY. Another adjustment... IF I WAS THE FRONT OFFICE I WOULD GO FOR THESE THREE MOVES.

1. Make signing LaCharles Bently a priority. This guy is a beast. He would add an intensity to our running game that we haven't seen, plus, he would get Foster's ass in line. I would love to see this happen but it won't. I can always dream.

L. Bentley PROFILE:

Bentley is a very good athlete who has the versatility to play either guard or center and he has valuable experience at both positions. He has very good foot quickness and he takes a good quick first step and he takes good angles to his blocks. He has the quickness to be effective getting to the second level and blocking a moving target as well as the speed to pull and lead the toss play. He has very good strength in his upper and lower body and he shows that he is capable of getting movement on the line of scrimmage in the run game. He has a powerful punch and he plays with a bit of a mean streak. He plays with good intelligence and he does a good job of picking up line stunts and twists and he plays with good bent knees. He shows that he is capable in pass protection and he anchors very well versus a strong bull rush that used to give him problems early in his career. He can mirror and slide with a defender and he doesn't lose many battles one on one. He excels at cut off blocks and when he can block back with an angle and he plays with excellent balance and a good base. He will occasionally miss with his hand placement and he may get overextended at times trying to be aggressive but overall he is a very reliable center who makes very few mistakes.

I like Bently a bunch. Get er Done. Resign Warren, Burns and Dayne. Get a stop gap type WR like Givens and use those 7-8 draft picks on 2 DL, 2 WR/TE, RB, OL, RB and S or LB

[sirhcyennek81]

Givens will go to Cleveland. Bentley is a premier guard, its doubtful denver would be willing to shell out the cash to bring him here, unless he was willing to make less up front.

:Broncos:

[UKBronco]

From what a close friend said, LeCharles Bentley has all but signed for the Eagirls.

I'm sure i read somewhere that he was on a plane there at least.

He'd be a monster for another 8 years, and would let us keep Hamilton at LG where he's still pretty effective...he could come in and play RG until Nalen retires.....

.....it's nice to spend other peoples money isn't it? ;)

[bpc]

I just think we should invest in our Line and HB position rather then waste money on a WR spot that won't even have that big of an impact for us. I'm not saying TO isn't a great talent but our money could be used so much more effectively... like getting our OLine back to the caliber of the Chiefs and Steelers now and our super bowl glory days. Then put a stud back there and let him run the $hit out of the ball... a la Jamal Lewis. He could easily have another 2000 yds if we can follow this formula. Doesn't matter though... I would take Dayne and Bell in the backfield as long as we found a way to swindle Bently and Abraham this offseason. Those two pickups would be huge. It would totally give our offensive and defensive lines new personalities.

[SoCalBronco]

No TO, no Abe, no Jamal, no Ricky, no Edge.
No Trading Picks!

Re-sign Big Money.
Sign Givens.
Sign Archuleta.
Address DE, RB and TE with the first three picks in the draft.

Something like Maroney, Kiwi and Fasano would be very good.

[Master___Pain]

No TO, no Abe, no Jamal, no Ricky, no Edge.
No Trading Picks!

Re-sign Big Money.
Sign Givens.
Sign Archuleta.
Address DE, RB and TE with the first three picks in the draft.

Trade for Dan Grahamfor the TE and you can also draft a Klopfenstein type TE. (Not trying to homer for CU but Klop was the first second teir TE that came to mind)

[Atlas]

No TO, no Abe, no Jamal, no Ricky, no Edge.
No Trading Picks!

Re-sign Big Money.
Sign Givens.
Sign Archuleta.
Address DE, RB and TE with the first three picks in the draft.

Something like Maroney, Kiwi and Fasano would be very good.

Trade for Abe, sign T.O., Draft Kiwi

[SoCalBronco]

Trade for Dan Grahamfor the TE and you can also draft a Klopfenstein type TE. (Not trying to homer for CU but Klop was the first second teir TE that came to mind)

Trading for Graham means draft picks.

NO TRADING DRAFT PICKS IN THIS DRAFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe Klopfenstein is a good player, although Ive got him ranked 7th amongst the TEs, so I cant agree that he is second tier. The Big Three and then Fasano (who I would be delighted with at 2, should we not go with my boy Marcedes or Pope at 29) and then Day (Big time Sleeper, he is a good player hurt by Oregon's move to the Gun Option in 05), Byrd and Klop.

[bpc]

Socal I gotta disagree with you on the Abraham issue. We aren't that far away and he gives our defense a elemant we have not had and desperately need.

[Atlas]

Socal I gotta disagree with you on the Abraham issue. We aren't that far away and he gives our defense a elemant we have not had and desperately need.

I agree. Denver wants to win a superbowl this year. Abe can help. With Warren's push up the middle and Kiwi/Brown on the otherside Abe will come up huge.

[SoCalBronco]

Socal I gotta disagree with you on the Abraham issue. We aren't that far away and he gives our defense a elemant we have not had and desperately need.

He's 28.

He will command a large bonus.

He is injury prone.

He's a loser.

He's a liability against the run.

He will cost a first round draft pick which is an ULTIMATE NO-NO in an extremely deep draft like this.

There is a very strong likelihood that Hali or Kiwi will be there at 22. We will get a high quality end who is not a selfish player, is much younger and will not require a contract that will be an albatross on our necks.


No on Abe. We agree to disagree.

[DBroncos4life]

I don't know why we would go Arch when was can go Chris Hope for cheaper. Hope has improved every year in the league. Reche Caldwell, Peter Warrick, or Antonio Bryant would be nice if we couldn't get Givens. Chris Hovan played well last year, I don't know how much he has left, he isn't OLD but still he is older. Really looking at the list early on he's about the only guy that pops out. Oline help, I leave that to others to figure out, Toniu Fonoti is out there though, just tossing that out there ;D

[DBroncos4life]

I would have to say Im on the Graham wagon as well. :thumbs:

[bpc]

It will be interesting to see how this draft plays out but we need more playmakers on both sides of the ball. I guess in the front office we trust.

I would like to see us come down with Hali. I hear that guy is a terror. If there is any way we could swing Bunkley as well... even better. More likely though it will be Watson sitting in our lap at 29 if we want him. I'm worried about him though. His talent is amazing but he needs constant prodding. I see us adding some talent to this unit and we could have depth close to what the Cowboys had during their super bowl runs in 92' and 93'. We are not that far away... it just depends on who we pick up this FA and draft period.

[Play2win]

Get both Deangelo Williams and POPE in the first round... ;D

[DBroncos4life]

I think Hovan resigned with the Bucs from what I saw. Bucs fans said it was a 5 year 17.5 mill deal. If he is worth that whats Warren worth?

[bpc]

I would easily pay Warren 3 million a year to keep people off our LB's. We've invested enough into that area, we might as well protect them. Who better to have then a 6'5 330lb beast.

Warren, don't be a fool. Take the money and sign.

[SoCalBronco]

I would easily pay Warren 3 million a year to keep people off our LB's. We've invested enough into that area, we might as well protect them. Who better to have then a 6'5 330lb beast.

Warren, don't be a fool. Take the money and sign.

It will take double that amount to sign him. 3 million would get us laughed at by Gerard's agent.

[yavoon]

It will take double that amount to sign him. 3 million would get us laughed at by Gerard's agent.

yah but its denver! ppl love to be underpaid in denver!

[bpc]

So what do you suppose we do then Socal? Would you resign him or try to find somebody else? If not Warren then who?

[watermock]

15 million isn't going to happen. I have no clue honestly. It might be double that. I don't look at the tape. I would imagine it's going to be around at least twice that.

[Kaylore]

We may have more money but so does everyone else. That means fewer free agents and more money all around which means that everyone will cost more and we'll have fewer options. I could see us signing two really solid players and beyond that, I'm not convinced we'll be able to do that much.

[labronco]

Really. How good is Warren? Is he a top 5 tackle?

[SoCalBronco]

So what do you suppose we do then Socal? Would you resign him or try to find somebody else? If not Warren then who?

I didnt say 5 million a year was a prohibitive cost for us. That sounds about right. As Herc mentioned awhile ago, Lepsis and Warren each will end up costing us about 5 per and thats probably what they are worth after they both had pretty good years and the fact that the FA market isnt particularly deep at either position. I wasnt willing to give Reggie or Berry the 25 for 5 deals that they eventually got because I didnt think they were worth it. Warren looks like he is worth it to me. He was shutdown in the middle against the run and got good penetration against the pass when he wasnt being held. Unfortuneatly he didnt get anywhere near the holding calls that should have been called. He did a great job in the middle and seemed like a model citizen. There is nothing more I could have asked for from Gerard. If it takes 5 a year to pay him, give it to him. 6 starts to push it a little, but if we can reach an accord somewhere in the 4.5-6 range thats ok.

[yavoon]

I didnt say 5 million a year was a prohibitive cost for us. That sounds about right. As Herc mentioned awhile ago, Lepsis and Warren each will end up costing us about 5 per and thats probably what they are worth after they both had pretty good years and the fact that the FA market isnt particularly deep at either position. I wasnt willing to give Reggie or Berry the 25 for 5 deals that they eventually got because I didnt think they were worth it. Warren looks like he is worth it to me. He was shutdown in the middle against the run and got good penetration against the pass when he wasnt being held. Unfortuneatly he didnt get anywhere near the holding calls that should have been called. He did a great job in the middle and seemed like a model citizen. There is nothing more I could have asked for from Gerard. If it takes 5 a year to pay him, give it to him. 6 starts to push it a little, but if we can reach an accord somewhere in the 4.5-6 range thats ok.

hrrm it seems to me that berry has rubbed our noses in our decision. and hayward probably will over a longer course.

[Requiem]

As long as we save something from the figure he's getting this year, I'd be happy. I couple million would sure help.

God, it's late here, but I'm just so excited. Only one test tomorrow before spring break at college and I'll be able to sit on my ass and dream of what Denver's going to do this off-season. Also, pick on my sister who is a Packers fan. :D

I have some ideas about free agency.

If we don't get Warren, what about a guy like Bernard?

Perhaps a guy like Archuletta so we wouldn't have to spend a pick on a safety early?

Along with retaining our own guys, how about a linebacker (Sedrick Hodge?) who could be decent depth for us and add there.

Perhaps a guy like David Givens, who Sundquist mentioned in an article on the Broncos page stating how well all of the Patriot receivers could catch?

All and all, I'd love to see some of the guys I mentioned come to Denver. I'm salivating at all the opportunities possible with our money and picks in this years draft.

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

[SoCalBronco]

hrrm it seems to me that berry has rubbed our noses in our decision. and hayward probably will over a longer course.

Berry continues to benefit from a strong DT inside and he isnt a complete DE. A liability against the run due to his weight. He is a good pass rusher and a good player, but I dont think its clear that we made the wrong move there.

[yavoon]

Berry continues to benefit from a strong DT inside and he isnt a complete DE. A liability against the run due to his weight. He is a good pass rusher and a good player, but I dont think its clear that we made the wrong move there.

haha so unless ur tackles suck its impossible to get credit for double digit sacks? we better ****ing not sign abraham then cause 2/3rds of the rest of his line is very good.

[Merlin]

haha so unless ur tackles suck its impossible to get credit for double digit sacks? we better ****ing not sign abraham then cause 2/3rds of the rest of his line is very good.
SoCal said not to signing Abraham, so he is in agreement. BTW, when discussing players that were not resigned in the past, one must also consider the salary cap situation. Shanny already stated he would have wanted to keep one of said players, they just did not have the cap room.

[Orange_Beard]

we haven't added anyone yet.


Thanks for pointing that out.