Mort: Union walks out

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Says as of about 7 minutes ago, the union officials walked out because they didn't feel a deal was there to be made

[Clockwork Orange]

Looks like they're all out of delays.

[WABronco]

****in ****.........................

[plummershelper]

And the purging shall begin.

[yavoon]

its official I want the union to walk out. lets see how all the feelings change when the cuts start getting levied. I think the union reps have been very spinny lately on their stances.

[UKBronco]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in Indy or Washington right now....

Ouch

[eddie mac]

So Warren's got 7 hrs to sign or he's history too!

[Clockwork Orange]

So Warren's got 7 hrs to sign or he's history too!

Possibly, but that would clear out a nice chunk of cap space for the Broncos to play with in free agency, so there is an upside to it.


EDIT
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2341755

According to this, Warren bolting would clear $7.6 million in cap space.

[Garcia Bronco]

Damn..the NFl met them half way and they still didn't deal...lame. Bye Warren...dickhead

[HEAV]

Oh to be a fly on the wall in Indy or Washington right now....

Ouch


Nice avatar Uk! I like it!

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So much for PFT and Mike Florio statment.............:wiggle:


This thing is going to get ugly here in a few hours. Tonight and Monday morning should be a cut-fest.

Not sure how ,if any, effect this will have on signing anyone. I talked to a guy I know today and he said "One year deals" Not sure if the Broncos can handle any one year deals.

[ICON]

Says as of about 7 minutes ago, the union officials walked out because they didn't feel a deal was there to be madehttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060305/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_nfl_labor_11

[Hulamau]

This SUCKS big time!

Our plans are now **** for this season!

[SoCalBronco]

This SUCKS big time!

Our plans are now **** for this season!

I think we are fine. We did our bloodletting. Its the rest of the league that has to pay the piper now. If Warren resigns, the cap figure for this year will be lower than what it is now. If he doesnt, we will get that nice amount CO talked about off the cap immediately.

We are ready to go either way.

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.

[GreatBronco16]

Quick, someone go put a bullet into Upshaws head.

[WABronco]

I think we are fine. We did our bloodletting. Its the rest of the league that has to pay the piper now. If Warren resigns, the cap figure for this year will be lower than what it is now. If he doesnt, we will get that nice amount CO talked about off the cap immediately.

We are ready to go either way.

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.

Ahhhh, now I feel better. Thanks...

[Clockwork Orange]

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.

Just saw on NFL Network that the Chefs are currently $19 million over the cap.

[HEAV]

So Warren's got 7 hrs to sign or he's history too!


I said it last week. Let him go get a cheaper fat body like Sam Adams for one year and use the cap money on a RB or WR. The draft replacement for Adams.

[maven]

This is going to be fun tomorrow! No deal!

[GreatBronco16]

I think we are fine. We did our bloodletting. Its the rest of the league that has to pay the piper now. If Warren resigns, the cap figure for this year will be lower than what it is now. If he doesnt, we will get that nice amount CO talked about off the cap immediately.

We are ready to go either way.

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.


Yep, Denver could be sitting pretty come Monday Night. With that money tied up in Warren, if we can't get him resigned to count half or 3/4s of that, then I say let him walk. We have guys that have been in the system for a few years waiting for an opp to prove themselves. We have the draft and FA to sign a few players. Abe for one, and maybe TO, or one of the better WRs that hit FA.

[GreatBronco16]

Just saw on NFL Network that the Chefs are currently $19 million over the cap.

Is that with or without the players they cut last week, who might still be with the team?

[Clockwork Orange]

Is that with or without the players they cut last week, who might still be with the team?

I don't think they actually made those cuts yet. I think they planned to release them but didn't after the deadline was originally extended to today.

They'll have to release those guys and more to get under.

[HEAV]

Just saw on NFL Network that the Chefs are currently $19 million over the cap.


Good luck with that there Hermie! Can't wait to see whom they cut!

[WABronco]

Is it 100% guaranteed that 2007 will be uncapped?

[TheDave]

My guess is that we already have the basics of a contract worked out with Warren. With us talking to the jets about Abe, we had to have some room already counted for.

[bronco militia]

Is it 100% guaranteed that 2007 will be uncapped?


no...they can both agree on a new cba by then.

[WABronco]

Good luck with that there Hermie! Can't wait to see whom they cut!

Hmmm...

Priest Holmes? Roaf? Hicks? Ryan Sims?

It's gonna be fun watching our rivals destroy themselves...

[DBroncos4life]

Adams or Glover would be nice if Warren left. I still would love to add Sapp. I can't stand him but the guy is good. I would think he would come here to Denver and join Lynch again.

[WABronco]

no...they can both agree on a new cba by then.

All righty, just making sure...

[Broncojef]

The Chefs were at 11Mill over after the four they released. It was surmised Shields and a couple others might go but they have done some silent cap number restructuring so who knows...I bet their still 8-9Mill over.

[Clockwork Orange]

Good luck with that there Hermie! Can't wait to see whom they cut!

I know that Warfield, Barber and a couple of others were slated to be cut before. Shields is another candidate.

[WABronco]

Adams or Glover would be nice if Warren left. I still would love to add Sapp. I can't stand him but the guy is good. I would think he would come here to Denver and join Lynch again.

Ughhhhh.....:kiddingme

That's disgusting.

[WABronco]

I know that Warfield, Barber and a couple of others were slated to be cut before. Shields is another candidate.

I thought those guys already got wacked...???

[DBroncos4life]

I feel bad for Shields. While I would be thrilled for him not to be a Queef anymore, I was kind of hoping he would leave on his own instead of something like this.

[Clockwork Orange]

I thought those guys already got wacked...???

I thought so too, but NFL Network reported that they're still $19 million over so I figured that they didn't officially release them yet in the hopes that a new deal could get worked out this weekend.

[DBroncos4life]

Ughhhhh.....:kiddingme

That's disgusting.
30 plus tackles 5 sacks and he only played 10 games. Old, loud, and fat but he still gets the job done better then most. He's a piece of work but you can't tell me he wasn't a huge part of the Bucs SB win.

[GreatBronco16]

Here is a list of cuts.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2350202

[bronco militia]

Hmmm...

Priest Holmes? Roaf? Hicks? Ryan Sims?

It's gonna be fun watching our rivals destroy themselves...

it will cost the chiefs more to cut holmes than it would be to keep him on the roster.

[Hulamau]

I betcha its the freakin Jerry Jones group of A-HOLES that caused this. I've thought all along he'd and a few like him would like nothing more than to screw up the entire league just so he could go back to buying dynastic chamipionships that his leadership couldnt develop through skill and talent of management.

All those guys I hope they get run over by a bus :-)!

Its a free for all now.
The Jets just cut Kevin Mawae and many more big names are gonna roll.

We might suffer the most of any one though as we had a major chance with the CBA and the extra FA cap to brign in those final few real peices we needed to take it all this way THIS year.

Now that is FAR more unlikely and its gonna be REAL tough to repeat to the AFC championship game.

[WABronco]

it will cost the chiefs more to cut holmes than it would be to keep him on the roster.

Ohhh...

'Skins fans are bringing up names like Walt Harris, Cory Raymer, Brandon Noble, Bruce Bowen, and James Thrash as cut candidates.

[Hulamau]

Warren better get his fat ass in gear and sign before the night is over!

[Clockwork Orange]

Warren better get his fat ass in gear and sign before the night is over!

Or not. I'd like to have Warren back but if he doesn't sign it's not the end of the world. His deal voiding will put the Broncos nearly $10 million under the cap before any restructuring of other players is done.

The Broncos will be fine. Keep the faith. :)

[Edskins_RVA]

Ohhh...

'Skins fans are bringing up names like Walt Harris, Cory Raymer, Brandon Noble, Bruce Bowen, and James Thrash as cut candidates.
Most of these were going to be gone anyway.. The only one I don't like is Thrash.. Great ST player and decent #3-4 receiver.. Matt Bowen is good for depth (especially considering Sean Taylor's potential trouble), but his cap # is just too high...

[Wes Mantooth]

I think we are fine. We did our bloodletting. Its the rest of the league that has to pay the piper now. If Warren resigns, the cap figure for this year will be lower than what it is now. If he doesnt, we will get that nice amount CO talked about off the cap immediately.

We are ready to go either way.

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.
and the Colts.

[baja]

Reallly surprised about this - f*** stupid

My guess on Warren is they have a contract ready for either situtation (CBA or no CBA)

There is going to be a lot of players looking for work and not a lot on money.

This is an unfair windfall for the cheap teams. They are in effect being rewarded for being cheap with their players. This does suck.

Teams like Az and Minn and GB are going to score big.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Or not. I'd like to have Warren back but if he doesn't sign it's not the end of the world. His deal voiding will put the Broncos nearly $10 million under the cap before any restructuring of other players is done.

The Broncos will be fine. Keep the faith. :)

Legwold, who has been all over the map on the Broncos cap, claims they need Warren's deal to void to get under the cap. Williamson and Clayton had them under before Lepsis re-did his deal and anything happened with GW.

[baja]

Reallly surprised about this - **** stupid

My guess on Warren is they have a contract ready for either situtation (CBA or no CBA)

There is going to be a lot of players looking for work and not a lot on money.

This is an unfair windfall for the cheap teams. They are in effect being rewarded for being cheap with their players. This does suck.

Teams like Az and Minn and GB are going to score big.

[Florida_Bronco]

Armageddon 2006: The Story of the NFL

[Clockwork Orange]

Legwold, who has been all over the map on the Broncos cap, claims they need Warren's deal to void to get under the cap. Williamson and Clayton had them under before Lepsis re-did his deal and anything happened with GW.

I was going by what I heard after the Broncos cut Pryce, Anderson & Putzier, that those moves put the Broncos $1 million under. Lepsis' new deal saved them another $1 million, which brought them to $2 million under.

That's the way I understood it anyway.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I was going by what I heard after the Broncos cut Pryce, Anderson & Putzier, that those moves put the Broncos $1 million under. Lepsis' new deal saved them another $1 million, which brought them to $2 million under.

That's the way I understood it anyway.

Ditto.

I'm just pointing out that one of the beat writers thinks otherwise. I'd go with Clayton on this one, he's pretty accurate with cap situations since I'm sure he's got an actual source in the league office. So with no Warren, they should be pushing $10M under and I'm sure there are restructurings in place for Bailey, Smith, Plummer, and Wilson that were just contingent on how the CBA played out.

[eddie mac]

I was going by what I heard after the Broncos cut Pryce, Anderson & Putzier, that those moves put the Broncos $1 million under. Lepsis' new deal saved them another $1 million, which brought them to $2 million under.

That's the way I understood it anyway.

It depends on where the sources get their figures from. ESPN had us 900k under before the Lepsis deal.

[Elway777]

I said it last week. Let him go get a cheaper fat body like Sam Adams for one year and use the cap money on a RB or WR. The draft replacement for Adams. I think trading for Seth Payne would be a better option than Sam Adams because Payne still is at the top of his game.Then Get Abraham from the jets or Ellis from Dallas.

[eddie mac]

Fvck if Warren doesn't come back DT is by far the weakest spot on this team.

[Clockwork Orange]

I'm just pointing out that one of the beat writers thinks otherwise. I'd go with Clayton on this one, he's pretty accurate with cap situations since I'm sure he's got an actual source in the league office. So with no Warren, they should be pushing $10M under and I'm sure there are restructurings in place for Bailey, Smith, Plummer, and Wilson that were just contingent on how the CBA played out.

Exactly why I don't think people should be so worried about the Broncos salary cap situation. They haven't even restructured anyone yet and they're already in a pretty decent position.

[eddie mac]

Exactly why I don't think people should be so worried about the Broncos salary cap situation. They haven't even restructured anyone yet and they're already in a pretty decent position.

Not as much worried about the cap, more worried about the holes this team will have on the D-Line again.

[sirhcyennek81]

Broncos are not in bad shape cap wise. If they were, i am sure our afc west rivals would be in here going ha-ha. Broncos will be fine...raiders and chiefs...well...HA HA...

:Broncos:

[HEAV]

Fvck if Warren doesn't come back DT is by far the weakest spot on this team.


Myers, Veal. Sign a fat guy, draft a couple fat guys.:flower:

DT in the Broncos system is a lane glogger. Now DE is a different story.

[SoCalBronco]

Not as much worried about the cap, more worried about the holes this team will have on the D-Line again.

Its an annual tradition.

[Clockwork Orange]

Not as much worried about the cap, more worried about the holes this team will have on the D-Line again.

Which is why this draft is so important.

[HEAV]

Broncos are not in bad shape cap wise. If they were, i am sure our afc west rivals would be in here going ha-ha. Broncos will be fine...raiders and chiefs...well...HA HA...

:Broncos:


True. I bet Chefplanet implodes;D

[UKBronco]

Apparently talks are due to resume at 8:30pm your time.......

well, according to the ever credible PFT anyway!

[sirhcyennek81]

True. I bet Chefplanet implodes;D

In 4 hours, give or take, a huge wail will eminate from the west coast and mid west. Be advised, its just chief and raider fans.

:Broncos:

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Which is why this draft is so important.

No trades, unless it's down and the deal is too good to pass up. 6 years to free agency for everyone drafted this year. This would be a nice year for Shanny to hit on his first 2nd day pick since Hamilton (or maybe Putz and Brandon).

[baja]

Great year to have a lot of draft picks

[Hulamau]

I think we are fine. We did our bloodletting. Its the rest of the league that has to pay the piper now. If Warren resigns, the cap figure for this year will be lower than what it is now. If he doesnt, we will get that nice amount CO talked about off the cap immediately.

We are ready to go either way.

Its teams like the Skins and possibly the Chiefs that were really fearing the clock striking midnight.


I realize we are in much better shape than many teams, but its the closeness we are to putting it all together and WINNING the SB that are at risk when the ideal situation of having an extra 12 million of so in cap space on top of our current situation would have allowed us to get anyone we wanted to fill those last remaining holes.

Now we have to either lose Warren and then find someone else to fill his role equally well at a cheaper hit so that we can afford to play anywhere near like we had planned on.

That is what I mean when I say this situation can hurt our chances to take it all the way and thus hurts us worst THIS YEAR than it does a team without a realistic chance for the SB, even if they get gutted far worse than we do over all.

I hope some one throws a pie in Jerry Jones face the next time he's on TV!

[WABronco]

No trades, unless it's down and the deal is too good to pass up. 6 years to free agency for everyone drafted this year. This would be a nice year for Shanny to hit on his first 2nd day pick since Hamilton (or maybe Putz and Brandon).

Agreed...

What do you guys think of trading off of 29 if guys like Kiwi and Bunkley and Jackson are gone? Stock up on some 3's and 4's...

[SoCalBronco]

I realize we are in much better shape than many teams, but its the closeness we are to putting it all together and WINNING the SB that are at risk when the ideal situation of having an extra 12 million of so in cap space on top of our current situation would have allowed us to get anyone we wanted to fill those last remaining holes.

Now we have to either lose Warren and then find someone else to fill his role equally well at a cheaper hit so that we can afford to play anywhere near like we had planned on.

That is what I mean when I say this situation can hurt our chances to take it all the way and thus hurts us worst THIS YEAR than it does a team without a realistic chance for the SB, even if they get gutted far worse than we do over all.

I hope some one throws a pie in Jerry Jones face the next time he's on TV!

The extra 10 million or whatever doesnt matter a whole lot....everyone gets 10 million more to play with. So it just increases the market price for any given player. Like inflation, it basically just devalues what the dollar can buy. In fact, there might be an argument that it would be better for us to be under the 94.5 figure so that the organization doesnt feel empowered to do something stupid like trade a first to the NY Jets and give John Abraham a big contract and bonus.

[eddie mac]

If Bunkley's gone by the time we're picking, I wouldn't waste any of the 1st 3 picks on a DT.

[clint7]

Sign a fat guy, draft a couple fat guys.


LOL Ha! LOL

[WABronco]

Myers, Veal. Sign a fat guy, draft a couple fat guys.:flower:

DT in the Broncos system is a lane glogger. Now DE is a different story.

Agreed. It's not like Warren was some pass rushing wonder. He did his job, nothing more nothing less...

[Kaylore]

The extra 10 million or whatever doesnt matter a whole lot....everyone gets 10 million more to play with. So it just increases the market price for any given player. Like inflation, it basically just devalues what the dollar can buy. In fact, there might be an argument that it would be better for us to be under the 94.5 figure so that the organization doesnt feel empowered to do something stupid like trade a first to the NY Jets and give John Abraham a big contract and bonus.
Excellent point. More room usually means a bidding war over the available free agents. After one is signed for more than is considered reasonable, some of the already signed players will hold out because suddenly they aren't in the top five pay scale of their position. I'm not too worried since we already signed Lepsis, but I gotta think that maybe the players will start to notice how not pulling this off was a really bad idea.

[SoCalBronco]

Excellent point. More room usually means a bidding war over the available free agents. After one is signed for more than is considered reasonable, some of the already signed players will hold out because suddenly they aren't in the top five pay scale of their position. I'm not too worried since we already signed Lepsis, but I gotta think that maybe the players will start to notice how not pulling this off was a really bad idea.

Yeah and im really not in the mood to see the Colts, Chiefs and Redskins get off the hook, either.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Yeah and im really not in the mood to see the Colts, Chiefs and Redskins get off the hook, either.

I don't want to see a deal get done for that reason.

[WABronco]

Who would the Colts have to cut?

[Elway777]

No trades, unless it's down and the deal is too good to pass up. 6 years to free agency for everyone drafted this year. This would be a nice year for Shanny to hit on his first 2nd day pick since Hamilton (or maybe Putz and Brandon). That pretty good advice.If the Broncos do any trades they should use next years picks. Maybe a 3 rounder and 6 rounder in next year draft for Payne if Warren is not resigned. Then maybe Broncos go after Howard or Carter as free agent defensive end then go after Will Shields to upgrade rg.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

That pretty good advice.If the Broncos do any trades they should use next years picks. Maybe a 3 rounder and 6 rounder in next year draft for Payne if Warren is not resigned. Then maybe Broncos go after Howard or Carter as free agent defensive end then go after Will Shields to upgrade rg.

Payne is over 30, no way should Denver give up 2 picks that they could have for 6 years for someone like that.

[yavoon]

Payne is over 30, no way should Denver give up 2 picks that they could have for 6 years for someone like that.

I dont know where u r getting this six year thing. in 2007(the last year of the cba) to be an unrestricted free agent u need to have been in the league for six years.

there is no 2008 cba much less a 2012 cba. so anything governing something thats going to happen in 2012 would have to be agreed upon first(a new cba).

[DBroncos4life]

If Bunkley's gone by the time we're picking, I wouldn't waste any of the 1st 3 picks on a DT.
Worten or Jesse Mahelona would look GREAT in a Denver uni. Not going to get either one of those guys without using a one of our first three picks.

[watermock]

So Warren's got 7 hrs to sign or he's history too!

If his deal voided wouldn't he be off the books allready? Man this capology is like reading martian.

[Clockwork Orange]

If his deal voided wouldn't he be off the books allready? Man this capology is like reading martian.

I believe that his deal doesn't officially void until free agency begins. The same reason that the Broncos haven't been able to re-sign Ron Dayne, they have to wait until his deal officially expires.

Everything kicks off at midnight EST. A little over 3 hours from now.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I dont know where u r getting this six year thing. in 2007(the last year of the cba) to be an unrestricted free agent u need to have been in the league for six years.

there is no 2008 cba much less a 2012 cba. so anything governing something thats going to happen in 2012 would have to be agreed upon first(a new cba).

Because the union has said the cap will not come back if '07 is uncapped. In order for their to be football in '08, there has to be a new CBA. If the union lives up to their threat of no cap in the future, the most likely give back from the players is going to be an increase in accrued seasons for UFA status.

[watermock]

I believe that his deal doesn't officially void until free agency begins. The same reason that the Broncos haven't been able to re-sign Ron Dayne, they have to wait until his deal officially expires.

Everything kicks off at midnight EST. A little over 3 hours from now.

Cool...when he voids we should be in good shape...sign him to a new deal but we can only pro rate it 4 years if no CBA, but it should still take some stuff off the books. Give him a big backload in the uncapped year.

Then cut him Ha!

[yavoon]

Because the union has said the cap will not come back if '07 is uncapped. In order for their to be football in '08, there has to be a new CBA. If the union lives up to their threat of no cap in the future, the most likely give back from the players is going to be an increase in accrued seasons for UFA status.

yah but just because there's no cap doesn't mean that the cba from 2007 applies. if there is a new negotiated cba that doesn't include a cap there could be any number of rules. remember the "uncapped year" is not the wild west, it is in the cba.

[watermock]

Why can't this just go to arbitration? Why is that never suggested?

They probably wouldn't be able to agree on an abritrator either. Ha!

[Hercules Rockefeller]

yah but just because there's no cap doesn't mean that the cba from 2007 applies. if there is a new negotiated cba that doesn't include a cap there could be any number of rules. remember the "uncapped year" is not the wild west, it is in the cba.

Wow, thanks for informing me of something that most of us have been discussing for the last month. An uncapped year won't be the wild west? That's total news to me and I'm sure most of the other people here too.

Oh, and any negotiations that take place in the future will most likely start with the '07 conditions as the starting point because of the players' insistence for no cap in the future. If the players starting point is the provision that benefits them the most, it's an easy assumption that the league's starting point will be one of the provisions that benefits them the most. The most obvious being UFA status.

[yavoon]

Wow, thanks for informing me of something that most of us have been discussing for the last month. An uncapped year won't be the wild west? That's total news to me and I'm sure most of the other people here too.

Oh, and any negotiations that take place in the future will most likely start with the '07 conditions as the starting point because of the players' insistence for no cap in the future. If the players starting point is the provision that benefits them the most, it's an easy assumption that the league's starting point will be one of the provisions that benefits them the most. The most obvious being UFA status.

I dont think there's any reason to assume that negotiations will end up anything like 07. or even that the union would want it to, OR that the "most obvious" anything is the UFA status. I think this is mostly wishful thinking on ur part that 70% of all nfl players will want to be barred from free agency for any extended period of time.

07 was probably negotiated as a shot across the bow. the union wanted an uncapped year to scare the league and the league then insisted on a bunch of rules to make sure they wouldn't pay through the nose for it. it is not what would happen if there were real long term negotiations based around the lack of a salary cap.

[Hulamau]

The extra 10 million or whatever doesnt matter a whole lot....everyone gets 10 million more to play with. So it just increases the market price for any given player. Like inflation, it basically just devalues what the dollar can buy. In fact, there might be an argument that it would be better for us to be under the 94.5 figure so that the organization doesnt feel empowered to do something stupid like trade a first to the NY Jets and give John Abraham a big contract and bonus.


Hi SoCal, you point is well taken that forcing fiscal restraint is often the better part of valor, and I agree with you that the problem is a relative one in that everyone has to swallow the same poison.

But I'm still not so sure that when considering our specific team situation and our closenes to takening it all the way, that we wouldnt be better served with the new cap extension in place and the resulting freedom to roll the dice a bit more THIS YEAR.

While I agree that the higher cap will increase everyone's market value somewhat, I doubt it is a linear relationship and I suspect with some creative negotiation anbd some heavy green to offer in addition to our realistic chances to win a SB this year, it would make it easier for us to bring in several top FA where now we may be limited to one or two tops!

Onthe other hand its true that Herm Edwards has got to be squirming in his seat about now which does my heart good :-)!

What is the Chargers cap situation?

I dont knoiw what this does to the Faders chances of bringing in Culpepper to team up with Moss again, or are they swinging for the Vince Young fences in hopes he drops to them?

God I hope the Fade doesnt land Vince Young!! I'd hate for him to turn out to be a John Elway for those guys for 15 years! I doubt easy Al is going to last much longer so we cant count on him undermining the team around Young for too many more years, and we'd have to be damn lucky for the Fade to get a replacement owner that is as good at mucking up their own prospects quite as reliably as good 'ole Al has been in recent years!

[shaun514]

I betcha its the freakin Jerry Jones group of A-HOLES that caused this. I've thought all along he'd and a few like him would like nothing more than to screw up the entire league just so he could go back to buying dynastic chamipionships that his leadership couldnt develop through skill and talent of management.



This never happened. Most of the 1990's Cowboys dynasty was built on soild drafting and through the Herschel Walker trade. And the 'boys are currently in great cap shape.

[watermock]

I could arbitrate this easily. split the difference (evidently the owners allready have), and throw the slacker owners a share of the parking as it's more closely related to gate revenue. Concession stands is absolutely ludicrous...

done in 10 minutes. The cap goes from 94 to 104 or even more important...from 85 last year to 104 PLUS BENFITS...a whopping 20% raise. Kinda strange Upshaw is forgetting veterans and lower paid players. He should be talking about minimum salaries and benefits instead of padding Manning's pockets with a couple more million per. This is absurd.

[yavoon]

This never happened. Most of the 1990's Cowboys dynasty was built on soild drafting and through the Herschel Walker trade. And the 'boys are currently in great cap shape.

I'd like to see the salaries of all the teams from that era.

[shaun514]

I think trading for Seth Payne would be a better option than Sam Adams because Payne still is at the top of his game.Then Get Abraham from the jets or Ellis from Dallas.

I don't think Ellis will be available, but I think Glover might be relatively cheap. For some reason, he didn't cost the 'boys all that much when they picked him up in free agency. I think he has a lot left, but he didn't fit the 3-4 and his cap number for this year was over 8 million, so the Cowboys couldn't keep him. Glover would be a good pickup.

[watermock]

Originally Posted by SoCalBronco
The extra 10 million or whatever doesnt matter a whole lot....everyone gets 10 million more to play with. So it just increases the market price for any given player. Like inflation, it basically just devalues what the dollar can buy. In fact, there might be an argument that it would be better for us to be under the 94.5 figure so that the organization doesnt feel empowered to do something stupid like trade a first to the NY Jets and give John Abraham a big contract and bonus.

Excellent point...it will relieve teams up against the cap temporarily but we will be right back where we started in a year, with teams (actually fans) paying even more.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just saw on the crawl on ESPN that the cutdown deadline is 11:30 EST.

Don't know when that got pushed back another 1 1/2 hours, but that's what it said.

[TheReverend]

Does a starting DL of Brown, Myers, Veal, Ekuban + adding through draft and FA really sound that bad? I don't think it's any better/worse than last year and if we can draft a stud or two... bring it on.

[TheReverend]

God I hope the Fade doesnt land Vince Young!! I'd hate for him to turn out to be a John Elway for those guys for 15 years! I doubt easy Al is going to last much longer so we cant count on him undermining the team around Young for too many more years, and we'd have to be damn lucky for the Fade to get a replacement owner that is as good at mucking up their own prospects quite as reliably as good 'ole Al has been in recent years!

Sacriledge! Elways wasnt a retard.

[Clockwork Orange]

Just confirmed on kffl.

NFL | League delays waiver deadline
Sun, 5 Mar 2006 18:26:47 -0800

ESPNews reports the NFL has extended the waiver deadline to 11:30 p.m. ET Sunday, March 5.