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clean
03-03-2006, 10:15 PM
“Wednesday will be the second anniversary of Bertuzzi's mugging of Colorado center Steve Moore.

The 27-year-old Moore has been skating and working out, sometimes at Harvard University, but because of lingering post-concussion symptoms still hasn't been cleared for contact by doctors at the Cleveland Clinic and couldn't pass a physical, even if an NHL team wanted to sign him.

But the pertinent point now is that Bertuzzi's selection to the Olympics is indicative of a mind-set that helped diminish Canada's chances in Torino. It was a mockery of the Olympic ideal, and the fact that it gets mocked plenty is no excuse. It sent that inappropriate message to young players in a nation in which Hockey Canada's terrific ads promote the concept that it's only a game, opponents must be respected, and parents need not act like all games are Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals.”


http://rapidshare.de/files/14638851/Steve_Moore_Hit_By_Bertuzzi.wmv.html


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=frei_terry&id=2351282&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1

http://www.cbc.ca/pcgi-bin/templates/sportsView.cgi?/news/2004/03/09/Sports/avs-canucks0308

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/bertuzzi/timeline/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1756628

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/12/23/sports1739EST0429.DTL

Clockwork Orange
03-03-2006, 10:25 PM
Without rehashing all of this, I'll say that Bertuzzi's true punishment is that the Moore incident is what he'll always be remembered for. That incident cemented a legacy of stupidity that has defined Bertuzzi's career.

Even with that secured, it was nice to see him continue to add to it by comitting the penalty that led to the goal that got Team Canada sent home from the Olympics.

Bronx33
03-03-2006, 10:35 PM
Without rehashing all of this, I'll say that Bertuzzi's true punishment is that the Moore incident is what he'll always be remembered for. That incident cemented a legacy of stupidity that has defined Bertuzzi's career.

Even with that secured, it was nice to see him continue to add to it by comitting the penalty that led to the goal that got Team Canada sent home from the Olympics.



Bert is a shell of his former self.

Mtbrncofn
03-03-2006, 10:50 PM
So much for Moore being able to come back for the playoffs.......that year. I know it's a long shot, but I hope he does get to come back.

Clockwork Orange
03-03-2006, 10:54 PM
Bert is a shell of his former self.

Actually, what people seem to forget (partially because it was a long time time ago and seems even longer because of the lockout) is that Bertuzzi wasn't exactly setting the world on fire before the incident either.

He was coming off of a playoff year in which he (stop me if you've heard this before) hurt his team a lot more than he helped them. He not only pulled a boneheaded stunt that ended up on the Minnesota bulletin board, but he managed a pathetic 2 goals, 4 assists for 6 points in 14 games while racking up a ridiculous 60 PIM's. The season that followed was marred by the Moore incident, but what gets forgotten is that he signed a fat extension worth $8 million per season (that was before the rollback of player salaries) and proceded to have his production drop off to the tune of 60 points in 69 games. Vancouver fans were actually grumbling quite a bit about him before the incident, after which he was suddenly a hero to them again.

Swedish Extrovert
03-03-2006, 10:57 PM
Perhaps its more appropriate to put this here - http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=14929&stc=1&d=1141447805

Boogerboots
03-04-2006, 08:09 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=155012&hubname=nhl

I'm sure that you've all heard that Moore has filed a civil suit against Bertuzzi and the Orca Bay group for 15 million.

This will likely be the last court case involving this incident as this case was filed just before the final deadline here in Ontario. Such deadlines have already passed in Colorado as well as in B.C.

My opinion is that he deserves some sort of settlement. If the guy can't play anymore, he should be in line to receive a healthy sum that should cover the costs of his physical and emotional anguish.

chadta
03-04-2006, 08:26 AM
If you ask me steve moore is no better then ulf samulson, darius kasperitus or brian marchment, the difference is this cheap shot artist got his.

Dont get me wrong, it sucks that he got injured. But it also sucks that these types of players think that they can go take cheap shots at people and never have to man up and be held responsible for there actions.

FantomForce
03-04-2006, 10:08 AM
Fu*^ Bertuzzi, his carrer is tarnished because he elected to make it that way. It is his own damn fault and I glad to hear that some Canadiens actually have back bone enough to let it be know that they didn't want to be represented by this moron.

Swedish Extrovert
03-04-2006, 10:29 AM
If you ask me steve moore is no better then ulf samulson, darius kasperitus or brian marchment, the difference is this cheap shot artist got his.

Dont get me wrong, it sucks that he got injured. But it also sucks that these types of players think that they can go take cheap shots at people and never have to man up and be held responsible for there actions.

Steve Moore wasn't a cheap shot artist... he was a young checking line foward whom I really liked. He played solid defense and made some good hits

Did you actually see the hit? Naslund was chasing the puck and Steve Moore lowered his shoulder with a clean open ice hit. Naslund landed funny and got his face cut up.

Bronx33
03-04-2006, 11:29 AM
If you ask me steve moore is no better then ulf samulson, darius kasperitus or brian marchment, the difference is this cheap shot artist got his.

Dont get me wrong, it sucks that he got injured. But it also sucks that these types of players think that they can go take cheap shots at people and never have to man up and be held responsible for there actions.


He is envolved in one cheapshot and you put him in an elite class of cheapshot artists?

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 11:45 AM
If you ask me steve moore is no better then ulf samulson, darius kasperitus or brian marchment, the difference is this cheap shot artist got his.

Dont get me wrong, it sucks that he got injured. But it also sucks that these types of players think that they can go take cheap shots at people and never have to man up and be held responsible for there actions.Yes, Moore was a cheap shot artist :oyvey: . What a load of ****.

chadta
03-04-2006, 11:54 AM
Dont get me wrong im not a bertuzzi fan by any means, there are alot of guys i would have rather had on team canada that him, BUT you guys are all being homers, and not being real. If moore was on vancouver and bertuzzi was on your team would you still think moore is a hero and bertuzzi is a goon ? i dont think so.

Anybody remember the marty mcsorley hit on gilmour in the playoffs in 93 ? right after the hit what was the first thing mcsorley did ? he looked around and got ready to fight cuz he knew he was gonna get it, he manned up. He didnt run and try to hide. It was a perfectly clean hit, gilmour had his head down coming across the blue line and got caught, but its part of the "the code" if youve ever actually played hockey before youd have an idea what im talking about.

You know if you hit the star on the other team, clean hit or not, and you get him your a marked man, either you can man up and get on with the game or you can run and turtle like samuelson, and you will always have people taking runs at you as soon as the game outcome is clear and there is nothing to lose .

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 12:11 PM
Dont get me wrong im not a bertuzzi fan by any means, there are alot of guys i would have rather had on team canada that him, BUT you guys are all being homers, and not being real. If moore was on vancouver and bertuzzi was on your team would you still think moore is a hero and bertuzzi is a goon ? i dont think so.

Anybody remember the marty mcsorley hit on gilmour in the playoffs in 93 ? right after the hit what was the first thing mcsorley did ? he looked around and got ready to fight cuz he knew he was gonna get it, he manned up. He didnt run and try to hide. It was a perfectly clean hit, gilmour had his head down coming across the blue line and got caught, but its part of the "the code" if youve ever actually played hockey before youd have an idea what im talking about.

You know if you hit the star on the other team, clean hit or not, and you get him your a marked man, either you can man up and get on with the game or you can run and turtle like samuelson, and you will always have people taking runs at you as soon as the game outcome is clear and there is nothing to lose .Get outta here with the "you've never played hockey before" bull****. I've played hockey for almost 20 years now. You sound like a dumbass when you play that card.

And Marty McSorely was one of the best fighters of the 80's and 90's. Wendell Clark went right after him after he hit Gilmour. Steve Moore had never been in a fight in his professional career. He then fought Matt Cooke two games after the original hit on Naslund. That wasn't enough for Bertuzzi and now Moore will never play in the NHL again while Bertuzzi keeps getting a paycheck.

chadta
03-04-2006, 12:20 PM
well if youve never been in a fight before you probally shouldnt be out there head hunting then should you ?

quit being such a homer, god you sound like a cheifs fan

LOL

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 12:27 PM
well if youve never been in a fight before you probally shouldnt be out there head hunting then should you ?

quit being such a homer, god you sound like a cheifs fan

LOLExplain to me how he was head hunting? If Moore was out there to hurt Naslund he would have kept his left knee out and shreded Naslund's ACL. Go watch the video again.

chadta
03-04-2006, 01:21 PM
watch it again ? ive never seen it once, im just sick of all the cryin about poor steve moore. This will be my last post in this thread cuz im sick of defending todd bertuzzi who im not really all that fond of.

but thanks for playing along

LOL

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 01:47 PM
watch it again ? ive never seen it once, im just sick of all the cryin about poor steve moore. This will be my last post in this thread cuz im sick of defending todd bertuzzi who im not really all that fond of.

but thanks for playing along

LOLLOL LOL LOL LOL

You've never seen the original hit but still feel like you can call Moore a headhunter. That's all that needed to be said.

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

ozomulsion
03-04-2006, 01:51 PM
How could anybody not have seen the original hit? This is retarded.

FantomForce
03-04-2006, 01:52 PM
watch it again ? ive never seen it once, im just sick of all the cryin about poor steve moore. This will be my last post in this thread cuz im sick of defending todd bertuzzi who im not really all that fond of.

but thanks for playing along

LOL
What a dumb a$$ if you have never seen this vicious sinical hit then don't chime in, shi@t that's like asking oprah to explain the Broncos running game

Clockwork Orange
03-04-2006, 02:00 PM
watch it again ? ive never seen it once

Yet you somehow feel qualified to discuss the issue. Gotcha.

Your argument reeked of ignorance already and now we know why. Good thing you've decided to take your ball and go home from this thread. Whatever credibility you might have had just circled the drain with that admission.

Pendejo
03-04-2006, 04:40 PM
Get outta here with the "you've never played hockey before" bull****. I've played hockey for almost 20 years now. You sound like a dumbass when you play that card.

And Marty McSorely was one of the best fighters of the 80's and 90's. Wendell Clark went right after him after he hit Gilmour. Steve Moore had never been in a fight in his professional career. He then fought Matt Cooke two games after the original hit on Naslund. That wasn't enough for Bertuzzi and now Moore will never play in the NHL again while Bertuzzi keeps getting a paycheck.

That was the problem. He handled Cooke very well...he won the fight. That's what really set things off. The Avs were stomping the Ca-chokes...and Moore beat the guy they sent to fight him. They both wore visors and everything.

Moore did not in anyway cheapshot Naslund. That's pure fiction created by the Vancouver Lockerroom/Front office. The only people stupid enough to fall for it were Casuck fans. As Moore went to check Naslund...Naslund lost his edge...Moore finished his check. It happens all the time. It's not dirty. It was far from brutal.

Yeah...the real problem was that the Cafvcks couldn't beat the Avs on the scoreboard...and Moore had no problem with Cooke...so Bertuzzi went Bertuzzi and attacked from behind...which wasn't the first time he'd done something like that. It was just the most viscious.

Swedish Extrovert
03-04-2006, 04:58 PM
Well I've been playing hockey for ten years, and it was a clean hit.

Steve Moore hit Naslund. Naslund didn't fall right.

Injuries happen, cheapshots happen.

Kasper isnt even that bad. Not like Ruutu, Ulf, Lemiux, McCarty....

Swedish Extrovert
03-04-2006, 05:00 PM
Make that 12 years.... I'e been playing 12 years. My oh my time is slipping away from me.

clean
03-04-2006, 05:16 PM
Quit being such a homer, god you sound like a cheifs fan.

You're a Canadian homer. Shifting blame to the victim is as old as crime itself.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=980148&postcount=135

chadta
03-04-2006, 06:44 PM
Proper Name: Steve Moore
Born: September 22, 1978
Windsor, ON
Height: 6-1
Weight: 210 lbs.


BOTH GUYS were canadian, so if i was gonna be a homer which guy should i actually be going for ?

and to say he didnt fall right , well moore wasnt hurt on the cheap punch from behind but when his head hit the ice, so he didnt fall right either.

oh yeah im glad to see you put so much time and effort into finding out that i am canadian. All ya had to do was ask, i woulda told ya.

It is funny tho to listen to all you guys talk about how long youve been playing hockey, should i be impressed that youve played for 10 years, or 12, or 20 OMG wow that is impressive, i had played for 12 years by the time i was 16 years old. But please feel free to keep telling me exactly how the game is supposed to be played cuz i just dont understand it.

Carrry on

Swedish Extrovert
03-04-2006, 07:04 PM
Last time I checked, the Colorado Avalanche didn't play in Canada.
Last time I checked, Todd Bertuzzi did.

Canada is an amazing country, with great health care and economic system. But you're a little messed up.

Mtbrncofn
03-04-2006, 09:22 PM
If you ask me steve moore is no better then ulf samulson, darius kasperitus or brian marchment, the difference is this cheap shot artist got his.

Dont get me wrong, it sucks that he got injured. But it also sucks that these types of players think that they can go take cheap shots at people and never have to man up and be held responsible for there actions.


You have got to be ****ing kidding me. Cheap shot artist. It was a clean ****ing hit!

Go blow it out your ass.

Pendejo
03-04-2006, 09:36 PM
You have got to be ****ing kidding me. Cheap shot artist. It was a clean ****ing hit!

Go blow it out your ass.

Now now mtbrncofn...What would jebus do? This guys is clearly trying to rile people up...he's already admitted he's ignorant of the topic at hand...so calm down. Who the fvck cares what he thinks...he/she is a Canadian. Hockey is clearly their game...although it's a notch below curling.

Also. I'm not a very bright person. I've never claimed to be. But for the life of me I can't seem to find an instance of a Canadian team winning the Stanley Cup since 1993. Am I wrong in this?

This is a stupid conversation. I'm as usual drunk off my ass, and I still feel like a dick for even entering in to this sh!t.

The whole thing is over. The Avs did after all sign Brad May who instituted said bounty. We've all as Avs fans hung our heads low...and rooted the boys on now. There's no way to explain it.

Mtbrncofn
03-04-2006, 09:58 PM
Ok, I guess you're right. It still burns my ass to think there are morons like this walking around.

Pendejo
03-04-2006, 10:11 PM
Ok, I guess you're right. It still burns my ass to think there are morons like this walking around.

A very fair sentiment mamacita. Move on now. Bertuzzi is rumoured to be on the block for Sheldon f'ing Souray. I'm not sure if it was Breck Bronk or Clockwork who pointed out that Bertuzzi was on the schnide before the Moore incident. Go to espn.com's NHL page. Teri Frei who is a fine writer, and the Post's columnist wrote a great piece about how karma fvcked the Canadian team...all because they included Bertuzzi.

Also Frei will respond to your emails if you're halfway competent. I had nice correspondences with him on a few different occasions. I've had the same with Woody Paige, but Frei is much much better.

At one point Frei and I traded emails about which Avs we'd want on our side in a barroom brawl.

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 10:18 PM
It is funny tho to listen to all you guys talk about how long youve been playing hockey, should i be impressed that youve played for 10 years, or 12, or 20 OMG wow that is impressive, i had played for 12 years by the time i was 16 years old. But please feel free to keep telling me exactly how the game is supposed to be played cuz i just dont understand it.

Carrry onLOL Says the guy who chastised us earlier because we hadn't played the game. LOL LOL LOL

Breck Bronc
03-04-2006, 10:21 PM
As an aside, I should mention that I thought the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl was a well officiated game, though I never watched it.

Jori
03-04-2006, 10:23 PM
Don't you guys realize that Todd Bertuzzi is the victim. Poor Todd gets booed in every arena in the NHL except for GM Place where they give him standing ovations. Woe is Todd...poor Todd. We should be kissing the ground he walks on. :clown:

Pendejo
03-04-2006, 10:25 PM
LOL Says the guy who chastised us earlier because we hadn't played the game. LOL LOL LOL

No. Says the guy who already said he had not seen what went down between the teams, but just assumed that Moore deserved what he got. Typical canadian arrogance when it comes to hockey. Well hell...they have to have something...right? To hell with the fact that a canadian team hasn't won the cup in what...13 years...

Of course when I reference canada...I mean the fifty-first state...f'ing hangers on.

Tombstone RJ
03-04-2006, 10:26 PM
Proper Name: Steve Moore
Born: September 22, 1978
Windsor, ON
Height: 6-1
Weight: 210 lbs.


BOTH GUYS were canadian, so if i was gonna be a homer which guy should i actually be going for ?

and to say he didnt fall right , well moore wasnt hurt on the cheap punch from behind but when his head hit the ice, so he didnt fall right either.

oh yeah im glad to see you put so much time and effort into finding out that i am canadian. All ya had to do was ask, i woulda told ya.

It is funny tho to listen to all you guys talk about how long youve been playing hockey, should i be impressed that youve played for 10 years, or 12, or 20 OMG wow that is impressive, i had played for 12 years by the time i was 16 years old. But please feel free to keep telling me exactly how the game is supposed to be played cuz i just dont understand it.

Carrry on

Your the azz munch that made the statement "if you've ever played the game, you'll know what I mean by 'the code'...."

Like "the code" is some secret. I guess Lindros doesn't know about "the code" either...

Jori
03-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Since one of my parents is Canadian and the other American, I can only understand the game half of the time :)

Pendejo
03-04-2006, 10:31 PM
Since one of my parents is Canadian and the other American, I can only understand the game half of the time :)

Ah...a very shrewd poing Jori. That's half more than us full blooded Yanks can understand...unless of course...we play in beer leagues from age 14 on....

DHallblows
03-05-2006, 01:22 AM
As an aside, I should mention that I thought the Steelers/Seahawks Super Bowl was a well officiated game, though I never watched it.

LOL Oh man, nice.

24champ
03-05-2006, 02:02 AM
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/211/1196/320/panties.1.jpg

After seeing the sign Todd had this to say in the Postgame interview...(crys)

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/bertuzzi/gfx/bertuzzi_todd_031004.jpg

chadta
03-05-2006, 06:27 AM
Like "the code" is some secret. I guess Lindros doesn't know about "the code" either...

lindros got takin out by a clean hit, he had his head down , as usual, and him getting takin out hurt the flyers alot more then steve moore getting takin out hurt the avs, i wonder why none of us flyer fans are still cryin about it. Yes some runs were takin at stevens , but none of the flyers were as cheap as bertuzzi.

Now as for not seeing it, you guys have proven how gullable you are, how in the world is it possible for anybody to have not seen it, that considers themselves a hockey fan ?

As for a canadian team not winning the cup in 13 years, does not matter, still more then 50% of the players names on the cup are guess what CANADIAN.

Take a look at the avs roster i bet youve got more canadians then you do americans on your team, and you dont even know it.

and curling well that was a low blow, we dont make fun of the us for having the lawn mower racing or nascar do we ? at least curlers arent imbred.

Tombstone RJ
03-05-2006, 07:05 AM
lindros got takin out by a clean hit, he had his head down , as usual, and him getting takin out hurt the flyers alot more then steve moore getting takin out hurt the avs, i wonder why none of us flyer fans are still cryin about it. Yes some runs were takin at stevens , but none of the flyers were as cheap as bertuzzi.

Now as for not seeing it, you guys have proven how gullable you are, how in the world is it possible for anybody to have not seen it, that considers themselves a hockey fan ?

As for a canadian team not winning the cup in 13 years, does not matter, still more then 50% of the players names on the cup are guess what CANADIAN.

Take a look at the avs roster i bet youve got more canadians then you do americans on your team, and you dont even know it.

and curling well that was a low blow, we dont make fun of the us for having the lawn mower racing or nascar do we ? at least curlers arent imbred.

Not one poster here will ever deny that the best hockey players in North American come from Canada and that Canada is the hockey factory for producing consistently great NHL players. That has never been denied.

However, your the one suggesting that us Yanks don't know what we're talking about when it comes to the great game of hockey.

Smiling Assassin27
03-05-2006, 09:12 AM
“Wednesday will be the second anniversary of Bertuzzi's mugging of Colorado center Steve Moore.

The 27-year-old Moore has been skating and working out, sometimes at Harvard University, but because of lingering post-concussion symptoms still hasn't been cleared for contact by doctors at the Cleveland Clinic and couldn't pass a physical, even if an NHL team wanted to sign him.

But the pertinent point now is that Bertuzzi's selection to the Olympics is indicative of a mind-set that helped diminish Canada's chances in Torino. It was a mockery of the Olympic ideal, and the fact that it gets mocked plenty is no excuse. It sent that inappropriate message to young players in a nation in which Hockey Canada's terrific ads promote the concept that it's only a game, opponents must be respected, and parents need not act like all games are Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals.”


http://rapidshare.de/files/14638851/Steve_Moore_Hit_By_Bertuzzi.wmv.html


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=frei_terry&id=2351282&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1

http://www.cbc.ca/pcgi-bin/templates/sportsView.cgi?/news/2004/03/09/Sports/avs-canucks0308

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/bertuzzi/timeline/

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=1756628

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/12/23/sports1739EST0429.DTL

it's been two years...get over it, ya whining pansy. it's not like Moore died so stop treating it like he did. Anniversaries are for weddings, deaths, and the Miracle on Ice. For example, March 4 is the anniversary of the death of Hank Gathers. See how this works?

here's a tissue...

Breck Bronc
03-05-2006, 11:23 AM
Now as for not seeing it, you guys have proven how gullable you are, how in the world is it possible for anybody to have not seen it, that considers themselves a hockey fan ?That's a good technique to use in an argument; lie about something and then say, "you're gullible, I was lying!!!!!!" (Even Mock would be embarrassed by your act in this thread)

So you've seen the original Moore hit on Naslund. I invite you to watch it again and explain how Moore is a headhunter.

Mtbrncofn
03-05-2006, 11:42 AM
it's been two years...get over it, ya whining pansy. it's not like Moore died so stop treating it like he did. Anniversaries are for weddings, deaths, and the Miracle on Ice. For example, March 4 is the anniversary of the death of Hank Gathers. See how this works?

here's a tissue...


Oh piss off, SA.

clean
03-05-2006, 02:07 PM
"What's in a Memory Anyway?

If memories aren't reliable, why do we have them at all? Memory allows us to learn from our experiences without having to repeat them endlessly. Indeed, it allows us to survive. If Fred Flintstone remembers that it's bad to toss rocks at a saber-toothed tiger, he won't commit the same offense a week later.

Very few scenarios repeat exactly, so our memories work mostly by extracting the essence of those scenarios. After all, if Fred learns that it's bad to throw rocks at saber-toothed tigers, he'll live longer than if he learns only to avoid throwing those rocks at that tiger.

But memory is more than a survival tool. Psychologist Ulrich Neisser, Ph.D., contends it is a kind of social glue. According to the Cornell University researcher, it's less important to remember life events accurately than to preserve more enduring information about people, relationships and the continuing aspects of events, all of which form the core of human experience."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1175/is_6_32/ai_56883560

clean
03-05-2006, 02:10 PM
Memory depends very much on the perspicuity, regularity, and order of our thoughts. Many complain of the want of memory, when the defect is in the judgement; and others, by grasping at all, retain nothing.

-Thomas Fuller

chadta
03-05-2006, 02:10 PM
it's been two years...get over it, ya whining pansy. it's not like Moore died so stop treating it like he did. Anniversaries are for weddings, deaths, and the Miracle on Ice. For example, March 4 is the anniversary of the death of Hank Gathers. See how this works?

here's a tissue...

Finally somebody who has a clue

Bronx33
03-05-2006, 02:14 PM
Finally somebody who has a clue


Heres the deal i haven't noticed clean in the hockey forums so i wouldn't classify this thread as complaining or beating a dead horse but he simply wanted to see people opinions on the subject. Is that wrong? (no) also based on what i have read from you chadta you are completely clueless on the subject so please refrain from pointing out someone who has a clue.

phillybroncosnut
03-05-2006, 02:24 PM
Finally somebody who has a clue

He's a wings fan.

Chadta, you have to understand that this is a very sore subject to Av's fans. Some av fans get that it was a hockey act, while other still cry about it and think Bertuzzi is the anti christ.

My stance was never popular by the irrational av homer. However, while my stance on the matter was not liked by the realist Av fan, they knew where I was coming from.

Since you never heard my comments Chadta, here it is.

I think Bertuzzi went about it the wrong way and he was justly punished. He served his suspension now lets move on.

Moore's hit on Nasland was not cheap but, if you hit a star player and knock him out, you are now a target. It's just the way it is in Hockey. Wether it is a clean hit, or a cheap shot, you're still a target.
I agree that Moore handled himself properly. He took the runs that Nuck players gave him. He even dropped the gloves to engage in a tussle with a Nuck player. This is where the Av Homer loses. Just because he fought once, that does NOT mean the target on Moore's back magically disappears.
Moore would have been a target for the rest of his playing days against the Nucks.

Bertuzzi's act was diplorable even in a true blue hockey fans mind. The fact that he jumped him from behind is what disgusts me. That act alone is probably what drew the big suspension (that and Moore's condition). That said, I've seen guys get jumped from behind in NHL games at least 100 times. I have a hard time respecting a player who jumps a defensless player from behind. IMO, Bertuzzi was looking to pummel Moore. He was looking to inflict and ass whipping. IMO, Bertuzzi was NOT looking to end Steve Moore's career. Bertuzzi did something that has been done 1000 times over in the NHL. It's not as if Bertuzzi swung his stick like a baseball bat and hit Moore in the head. That is one of the worst things that you can do. That is an act where all you have in mid is ending a guys career.
Bertuzzi is a scumbag for jumping a player from behind. That, I do agree with. However, he is not even close to the dirtest, cheapest players I've seen. He decided to jump Moore from behind and pummel him. There was no intent to end the guys career.

Jori
03-05-2006, 03:50 PM
I think if Cooke had won the fight against Moore, the issue would have been settled. Yet, the fact that Moore won the fight made things even worse for Moore. In the eyes of the Canucks, things were not finished. Moore was going to have to fight until he lost. Who knows what was in Bertuzzi's head. Was he frustrated that Moore would not fight him or was he going to do whatever it took to "punish" Moore for his hit on Naslund?

Telling fans to "get over it" wont make the issue go away. I can understand people wanting to move on as this is a black eye for the NHL. In all honesty, only the Avs fans have a hatred for Bertuzzi; clearly the Colorado players and organization have moved on. Otherwise Lacroix would not have signed Brad May, nor would Alex Tanguay have made the comment about wanting Bertuzzi to play with him in Colorado.

I can understand wanting to give people second chances, but it seems to me as if Bertuzzi has become the victim and Steve Moore is conveniently forgotten. So while I typically support Team Canada when Team USA faulters, part of me smiled when Alexander Ovechkin scored while Bertuzzi was in the box. And perhaps that was my way of finally "getting over it."